Fallout 4 - Why the Institute WOULD WIN - Fallout Lore

[@oxhorn]

Great video chaps, I am getting many comments saying, "Fudgemuppet says hi!". Thanks for the shout-out :)

[@bugattiperson5768]

Oxhorn help the minuteman

[@christophersbrewer4874]

Oxhorn hello

[@moregasmthepowerful2959]

bugatti person The Minutemen are weak. The future is metallic.

[@FudgeMuppet]

+Oxhorn No worries! You make awesome videos 😁

[@Jams-ev2uq]

FudgeMuppet and Oxhorn should do a crossover. Like if you agree

[@AHRCEUS]

I lost it at *"Elder Maxson could be dead before he could say, 'beneath the commonwealth..'"*

[@draleks9112]

@Harvey Smith His life apparently

[@donovanulrich348]

He lost his fusion core Tragic if you wear power armor with the Atururs the 2 cores glitch and you cant fire the lazer cannon till you switch guns

[@itsyaboitavino3273]

I love the idea of the Institute building a synth and it just says “what’s my job” “okay we’re filling you with grenades and teleporting you above the Prydwen” “you’re gonna what”

[@cullenpinney2997]

Swag

[@donovanulrich348]

Robot: What is my purpose? Rick: You pass butter Robot: Oh my god... Rick: Yeah welcome to the club pal

[@cyber1ifeconnor]

@@donovanulrich348 that's what I was thinking lmao

[@tylersoto7465]

Ali Ack Bar ! Lol

[@sommyben07]

​@@tylersoto7465nah😂

[@fatcontroller3945]

Fudgemuppet, you forget teleportation's one fatal flaw... infinite loading screen glitches.

[@Ghost48888]

Ahh yes the institutes fatal flaw loading screens

[@lyagenda2k167]

Fat Controller omfg your name

[@waffles6280]

The deadliest issue. Another weakness is bad framerate

[@LARB05]

I haven't seen this guy's channel before so I thought fudgemuppet was some substitute swear word

[@lsswappedcessna]

and the fact that it isn't really the same person coming through. Chances are, the science Nazis use quantum physics to teleport, which means the object to be teleported is ripped apart at the molecular level and re-assembled using said quantum computers. The mind of the original person going through the teleporter is destroyed, that person dies. The sole survivor even makes a bit of a joke about the whole 'being ripped apart at the molecular level and hopefully not being reassembled inside a rock" possibility. The real Sole Survivor is dead, the guy/gal you play as after that mission is a copy with the same ideas and beliefs as the original.

[@TheSnakemanOfTheNorthwest]

"The institute would win" that sounds like something a synth would say...

[@staticrain_]

#synthlivesmatter

[@staticrain_]

Get Ass oh really? Unit C5-47 initiate recall, authorization Sigma 63 Arctus

[@beauvsb5230]

I would probably want the Institute to win, they are more likely the only hope left for rebuilding human civilization.

[@TheSnakemanOfTheNorthwest]

@@beauvsb5230 I don't think the Institute actually gives a damn about civilization. Hell, they might even prefer things the way they are in Fallout 4 because they don't even have to be held accountable for their actions.

[@beauvsb5230]

@@TheSnakemanOfTheNorthwest you are too shallow to think about that way, they offered to help surface people before but is shunned and feared. Surface isnt ready for a change yet. The Institute are making all this scientific advancement for the purpose of preserving human life, they chose to stay hidden and safe so they can further their studies away from the prying eyes of the people who envies and wants them destroyed.

[@lionelwhiskerknot]

Imagine if Mr. House got synth technology. Besides making a new immortal body he would definitely increase his chances of reaching the stars.

[@tylersoto7465]

Oh god that would be cool or give him the green serum that gives people immortality lol

[@samueljonathan6101]

Infiltrated the Railroad only really liked Deacon killed everyone in the name of the Institute in the end.

[@boblarwence1066]

synths wont save him from the murdering mailman of the mojave

[@00persia]

@@samueljonathan6101 yeah the one and only time I ever gave a $hit about railroad was because of deacon lol

[@kevray]

The sky WOULDN’T be the limit if he had access to synths

[@InquisitorShepard]

No the minutemen wouldn't have been killed. Preston would've survived, and roamed the Commonwealth in an endless quest to find a non-existing sole survivor to help all of these settlements. Not even all of the deathclaws in America combined would stop him from giving these quests. Not even rift through spacee and time, as he is gifted of the ability to teleport any distances in the blink of an eye for the sole purpose of interrupting the survivor during a fight to the death with a horde of raiders. You think he is scared of the institute? They could fire an endless barrage of laser on him, even if they take his leg, he will always find the strength to crawl to the big man himself, grenades exploding around him, bleeding from everywhere that there are blood vessels, but still, with a crackly voice, utter the words: "I know you are busy general, but another settlement needs your help."

[@sanokillzone]

lmfao

[@bookworm4255]

*laughs uncontrollably*

[@deadmemes4857]

LOL

[@Sigismund-von-Luxembourg]

I wish you could have turned the minutemen into a ceasars legion type faction

[@vaultboyexplainsstuff1838]

Preston cant die anyway! so the minutemen would win even if the odds were against them!!

[@God-hp2gx]

Father : “Gamma 678 Alpha 509” Maxson : *shuts down from being a synth* Father : ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Edit: this comment is from when I was high on flint stone gummies

[@Solician5]

Damn

[@Aden_III]

Markus Frazer bullshit

[@genevievew.5837]

there's no synth component on his body.

[@noahpolakiewicz822]

Penelope Jenna Hensley IT WAS A JOOOOOOKE

[@God-hp2gx]

@@genevievew.5837 he might secretly be synth for all we no

[@TheElementalSage]

Who needs a bunch of recall codes when you could just program one. Execute order: 66

[@zabaoth]

With all the failsafes the Institute places, I always wondered if there wasn't a massive recall code in case of a rebellion. I mean, they're supposed to be smart people. Then again, they created a Paladin synth and haven't made him detonate the Prydwen, so maybe they aren't as smart as they think they are.

[@Artselen]

Squire: there is to many of them, what's shall we do paladin danse. Paladin danse: *puls out ripper*

[@aster1sk294]

Would deactivate their own synths which makes the human brotherhood members still alive but no coursers alive which would make them lose the battle

[@gabrielherman3004]

Even then, i would imagine they still had access to danse and his knowledge on the brotherhood.

[@alabaster7958]

Adrian Jutronich The only reason they didn’t is because video game. It’s made by Bethesda and they didn’t put in a single line for if Preston Garvey is there when you meet his impersonator. They don’t consider the details so most of the factions’ blunders are because video game or because Bethesda.

[@origulator]

*Kellog teleports behind Maxson* "Pshh, nothen personel, kid."

[@f_mva]

omg

[@section4344]

Kellog: omae wa mou shindeiru Maxson: *_NANI!?_*

[@origulator]

Kellogg: " *ZA WARUDO!* " Kellogg: * does a shitton of jet and kills Maxson while high*

[@joshuakim5240]

There NEEDS to be a mod somewhere that replaces the "Yeeeaaah!" yelled from taking jet to "ZA WARUDO!" (with Dio's original anime voiceline, of course).

[@martikainen6172]

anime gays

[@fagozi]

Am I the only one who loves the institute partly because of their look? The clean pristine futuristic aesthetic always makes my jaw drop.

[@carlosromay4640]

Eddie Petruzziello not the only one!

[@yourearent]

Eddie Petruzziello yea they definitely have the best design I’ve seen in a fallout game (aesthetically), it’s so different to the rest of the wasteland, a breath of fresh air I guess. Air’s probably cleaner in there than outside too.

[@basedmarcus9982]

Yea u are

[@cart.l]

You’re Aren’t it is cleaner inside, both Father and Allie Filmore have dialogue options referencing this

[@ngythe1king]

@@basedmarcus9982 obviously you didn't look at the amount of likes his comment had

[@proselyteethan]

"By order of the Institute, you must be destroyed."

[@glowhoo9226]

“I am the institute”

[@許進曾]

Not so fast

[@許進曾]

@@glowhoo9226 It's treason then.

[@FVCK-TH1S]

@@許進曾 you are treason

[@fika4579]

Why would you have sucide synth? It would be more effective to just teleport bombs to destroy something.

[@YoungTroy23]

Don't think they thought this through enough. There's a lot of holes in their logic.

[@yabahal-fakher7992]

He did mention that in the video

[@inditsnotdenon922]

can you teleport them into the air above the electromagnetic field so they drop and explode on impact?

[@CalamityDiamond]

but we know that you can block where they can teleport in, like the BoS does.

[@Freddeboy28]

Suicide synths is a pretty good idea. They send a dozen synths to attack from the outside, to draw attention, while they are busy attacking the decoy, suicide synths are dropped from the air. These synths (who are immune to fall damage) run to certain areas, generators, lights, turrets, important personal like officers, power armor clad soldiers etc, and explode right in their face. You could simply teleport a couple of mini nukes (or real nukes?) right over their heads , but that would be inefficent and boring, the Institute has to show off their power, right?

[@vitupero7277]

I just imagine now Father yelling recall codes to brotherhood recruited synths through a megaphone.Lmao

[@bradleygaleazzo7024]

That's amazing

[@Dogtles]

Too OP

[@rear9259]

“C-3-4-ALPHA” *Half of the brotherhood army falls down*

[@Dogtles]

Videokidmaker *1 of the brotherhood soldiers falls down. Each synth has a different deactivation code

[@prankfoobisjr1171]

Kieran Guest it’s called a joke, We know synths have different recall codes.

[@Confron7a7ion7]

Actually, if the institute wanted to they could easily win the hearts and minds of the people. How trivial would it be for them to provide mass food or water purification?

[@funniclockman614]

I always assumed that high levels of radiation interfered with the teleporter which is why they didn't teleport synths into the mass fusion reactor or Virgil's cave

[@ESloytan]

Lark Horse they didn’t know where vigil was. They never thought of him forcing himself into a super mutant, and as for mass fusion, there was high security, along that it was underground and no electricity (ironically)

[@madscientistshusta]

Same

[@Tuberuser187]

I think its fair to consider the teleportation has limits in frequency of transports or how many people/synths it can transport. Maybe when it transports more it limits the range or increases the recharge, it would explain why its not used as an "I Win" button.

[@TheFuriousBean]

Teleport a gen 1 into a human and control them.

[@arcanegamer2723]

@@Tuberuser187 thats kinda the reason they used diamond city and classical radio signals

[@liamodahl1205]

In addendum, I've seen two Coursers take on three power armor clad Brotherhood Knights and four extra field scribes. The Coursers mopped the floor with them every single time.

[@tylersoto7465]

Good lol, if the SS becomes director and upgrade the institute rifle for synths and use coursers to lead synths into battle it would be a great army to command, hack liberty prime to use and take the mechanicist lair to mass produce hundreds of sentribots and assultrons to have a 2nd army to command and can wage war on 2 fronts send the synth army to brotherhood of steel and use sentribots and assultrons army to fight against the railroad, gunners, diamond city, raiders and super mutants and blitzkrieg sweep them up and take over the commonwealth together and if want to load up the train with robots to lay seige to Nuka world and fight against raiders and take it too and the institute would be the most powerful faction on east coast lol😎😈

[@3cho787]

On the contrary. I've seen on two separate occasions of a knight taking on a courser in one on one combat and absolutely obliterating the courser

[@elvispresley2284]

@@3cho787 I've seen otherwise, 1 courser vs 10 BOS recruits, Courser opened a whole goddamn container of ass whooping on them

[@chrisriley2321]

​@@elvispresley2284if we're talking recruits of course the courser won. The newbies aren't high enough rank for power armor to protect them from a bunch of the damage

[@staticrain_]

I wish Preston Garvey was a synth so I could say his recall code when he tries to give me another quest.

[@EnclaveSgt]

So do I man. Instead I merely content myself with shooting him repeatedly and hoping against hope he'll finally die. (Then I got a mod and really killed him)

[@gakr8493]

I’m just gonna make him not like me and make him non essential

[@tylersoto7465]

I started to ignore him in my gameplay and just went straight going to institute and join Shaun , wish I could give Shaun the mysterious serum so we could be together for a long time and rule the institute as father and son he would lead science division and I will be the commander of the synth army and use coursers as my lieutenants and x6-88 as my 2nd in command and use the mechanicist lair to mass produce hundreds of sentribots and assultrons to have a 2nd strong army and have x6-88 lead it and I will produce more synths and upgrade the institute rifle for synths or just take energy weapons from others and Can definitely wage war on 2 fronts I would lead synth army against the brotherhood of steel and x6-88 lead his army against the railroad, gunners, diamond city, raiders and super mutants and blitzkrieg sweep them up and take over all together, and afterwards I would lead a group to far harbor to take over and afterwards Lay seige to Nuka world against raiders and take over and put a courser in charge with a battalion of robots to hold it and far harbor too, and scavenge electronic parts etc to build another army to conquer the capital wasteland to fight the remnants of the brotherhood of steel, super mutants, raiders and talons company etc and take the area too and send others to take the Pitt and point lookout and scavenge the capital area to build more armies and so forth lol 😎

[@Firefromtheviod]

I really think the biggest thing the institute has for it is Kellogg, the sole survivor is basically just taking his place when they join the institute. They essentially already have a sole survivor and like you said the sole survivor can truly make anybody win.

[@killman369547]

pretty much. when everything is said and done the player ends up being the ultimate decider of who wins and who doesn't.

[@EveryoneElseIsWeirdImNormal]

Well no coursers can do the same thing

[@lordcommissar7813]

@@EveryoneElseIsWeirdImNormal nah in lore they kept kellog around and even extended his life becuaze he was still more effective. The institute did not like kellog but they needed him

[@EveryoneElseIsWeirdImNormal]

@@lordcommissar7813 I know but coursers can still do the exact same

[@tylersoto7465]

Without the SS help there's only 5 real groups that can actually fight, 1. Institute advance technology synths etc, 2. Powerful energy weapons, power armor and liberty prime , 3. Diamond city they have people and the capability to do a lot of damage and a economy to use, 4. Nuka world raiders there's bunch of raiders that can fight a war and savage and 5. Mechanicist she has a big robot factory to mass produce hundreds of sentribots and assultrons etc to ravage the commonwealth and doing so these 5 groups can make it a battleground lol

[@thesilvershroud7345]

Nothing will be victorious over the Shroud!

[@UnspokenOldOne]

Really good video. My only thought, they don't even need to teleport synths over the base to blow it up. There are so many options the Institute could enact with their knowledge base it boggles the mind. They have access to tons of pre-war schematics and technologies as is but add in the fact it's literally a collection of the brightest minds in the region and they could invent or repurpose just about anything they'd want to. Things they could do that they oddly didn't: 1. Make a swarm of synth birds packed with explosives. - This seems like the most obvious plan. They already make use of programmable synth birds for spying. Just load em up with explosives, teleport them nearby, and have the swarm the Prydwen at like 3 in the morning. 2. Make a more powerful version of a Gauss Rifle, give it to an upgraded Gen 2 synth that can handle the increased weight, and snipe the Prydwen out of the sky. 3. Rebuild/repurpose some pre-war missiles. Not rockets for a rocket launcher but full scale missiles and shoot them at the Prydwen. 4. Teleport a bundle of Mini-Nukes or a small tactical nuclear weapon over the Prydwen and let it fall on it. 5. Make a really high-powered laser weapon, give it to an upgraded Gen 2 synth, and snipe the Prydwen out of the sky. 6. Secretly build a bunch of revolutionary war era artillery guns and enact a coordinated shelling on the Prydwen. I mean the mind boggles at how easy it would be.

[@ladymariaoftheastralclockt9313]

UnspokenOldOne number three was done by America Rising but instead of the Institute it was the Enclave

[@zambekiller]

bro I had the exact same idea with the synthetic birds and I actually don't think all of the birds are since I think just the ones you see in major cities and in areas such as settlements are synths and I never understood the point of having synthetic humans living throughout the cities and settlements when you have birds that can literally spy on everybody

[@ReaprrXBL]

Maybe they could just teleport the entire Prydwen out of the commonwealth, Perhaps the moon Or turn Liberty prime into a synth....or teleport Liberty Prime on top of the Prydwen.

[@UnspokenOldOne]

@@ReaprrXBL Actually yeah. How hard would it be to simply hijack liberty prime...or make their own giant synth. If they can produce hundreds of synth bots why not one giant one?

[@tylersoto7465]

@@UnspokenOldOne because something like liberty prime use lots of energy and maintenance etc, just upgrade the institute rifle for synths and use them

[@colbyclark7779]

The one problem with teleportation is that it is said in the game that it takes an enormous amount of power to use and the institute has somewhat of a power crisis when they are discovered so teleportation isn’t something that they can just abuse whenever they want

[@ShadaOfAllThings]

Funfact: the Institute could easily fix their image if they wanted to. Send a synth into a community to infect it with a disease that they can easily cure or wait till an outbreak of, say, Influenza, happens. Then, a ways away from the community teleport in some Gen 2 synths with a bunch of supplies, vaccines and medicines to ease symptoms. Have those Gen 2 synths just walk straight up to the gates and tell everyone they are here to assist if wanted but the supplies are their's

[@amilo5]

Problem is: The Institute does want the humanity to die out. They don't want to save them. In the end the scientists themselfes would load their memories into a synth replica and live forever. The world does not matter to them.

[@aerialgod01]

@@amilo5 IF this was real and sole survivor was real, and a decent human being, then a good path would be their for the institute. Not that I want to try this of course.

[@amilo5]

@@aerialgod01 Yes many would safe their son but few have the power to save the world. And the son is not a very decent human being either. If my kid is genocidal its best to try again.

[@aerialgod01]

@@amilo5 It would depend on the circumstances honestly

[@nocthemedic2951]

@FBI that's actually dumb

[@baconandeggs159]

The Institute should just make an army of Synth Frank Horrigans

[@Stefanius058]

I dont think that they know he even existed

[@MediumRareOpinions]

How about synth *Supermutants* Think about it, smart programmed mutants that can guide real supermutants into carrying out the goals of the Institute on the Surface.

[@probablyDae5832]

@@MediumRareOpinions Aren't they the reason super mutants exist if I'm not mistaking they made them with FEV at least in Boston.

[@barneybeartilde9601]

No Its Patrick they made their own version of the supermutants

[@walkthisgame5372]

Might actually happen but will take a long time,one institute scientist went to Midwest coast in FO3 you can find him too. Probably heard of the enclave.though I doubt the institute would make anything close to horrigan.they stopped the FEV research already.

[@Plainofices]

So wait a sec...sorenova was right? _the humans are dead_ *THE HUMANS ARE DEAD* _the humans are dead_ *THEY LOOK LIKE THEY'RE DEAD*

[@moregasmthepowerful2959]

*We used poisonous gases* With traces of lead *And we poisoned their ass'* Actually their lungs

[@bruhfunnies3441]

Sir white alot of white knighting But was Sorenova right about Belethor doing poison? And if so, what sort?

[@Plainofices]

*_BiNaRy SoLo_*

[@Plainofices]

Utter Disappointment yes

[@Plainofices]

Utter Disappointment sorenova was right about everything. Its just fact

[@steamtacular]

Problem. Institute points out repeatedly that the teleporter gadget consumes a fuckton of energy, something they're facing a constant shortage of. Hence why it seems that synths and Kellogg use conventional means to get around on the surface with teleportation being reserved for a handful of purposes.

[@reychop]

Fox d was right. Their mass fusion generator provides near infinite energy. If you betray father he’ll even say that “they’re on their way to finishing it with or without you”.

[@samuelbishop3316]

Until they take the agitator. Which they could very easily.

[@JasonGodwin69]

Unfortunately they have infinite energy due to the Cold Fusion thing they make you find for them. Fuck these OP Mary Sues.

[@technomage116]

It's spelled "fukton".

[@InanisNihil]

even if u all the energy u want to use. . doesnt mean u want to or have to abuse it... even if they had their reactor fully prepped.. there is still no reason to NON use conventional means...

[@collaborisgaming2190]

7:13 also you could intercept Vertibirds, shoot them down by yourself. meanwhile you can't intercept teleportation. i honestly wanted a Neutral ending for the Game. where the Minutemen not only had more Autonomy but also acted as a mediator force between warring factions. the sole survivor could serve as mediator between all factions give and take. where peace is sustainable despite divisions.

[@loopy8788]

Like the peace council mission in Skyrim

[@lordcommissar7813]

@@loopy8788 peace council is skyrim is the bad ending for the Civil War lol all they did was put it off im sure that makes the thalmor happy that the war won't end

[@loopy8788]

@@lordcommissar7813 idk man Alduin the world nibbler was a big threat to 7 people and 2 whiterun guards and in Skyrim logic that’s like “an army”

[@srbindy809]

The reason the Institute would win is the same reason the Empire from Star Wars should've won, they literally have an infinite army, admittedly both Synths and Stormtroopers aren't the most effective but if you have millions and could make millions more you would eventually overwhelm even the strongest military force.

[@countrybluegrass]

Except the Empire in Star Wars has a goal of galactic domination by a single supreme ruler, the Institute's only goal in Fallout 4 is to make more synths and to make those synths increasingly superior to humans in every possible way. That would be like if the Empire's sole goal was to just mass-produce would-be sith lords who are stronger, smarter and more force sensitive than Palpatine and Vader.

[@srbindy809]

+contrubluegrass Yes, but they still had a literal infinite army of Stormtroopers seeing that they are being continuously cloned on Kamino, and if they just used common sense they would've put a grate over the exhaust port so that it couldn't be destroyed without multiple hits.

[@666FallenShadow]

the empire doesn't use clones. they shut down the cloning facilities on kamino as far as i know which is why the stormtroopers are so shit at their job. they are just regular people. also rogue one explained why the weakness was there; and the second death star wasn't complete when it was attacked.also you seem to not realize that everything costs resources. the institute has limited resources since they are isolated underground. sure they might mine for resources or something similar, but what are the chances that the area around the institute is filled with the mineral deposits that they need?

[@jonbartolo8067]

Ah. The Zapp Brannigan Strategy, brilliant. Honestly, though yeah. Zerg rush and overwhelming your enemy is the smartest strategy for an infinite expendable army. It worked for Russia in WW2 lol.

[@smittyribs]

They have people on the outside to get materials if needed

[@adamxei9073]

I believe that the Institute ending is the canon ending simply on the fact that the the "Good" ending in Fallout 3 is the canon. James(the lone wanderer's dad) was killed by the Enclave and your character had a vengeance. Bethesda leans to the endings with the most motive behind it and your son being the leader of the Institute. That's sounds like motive to me.

[@quinnholloway5400]

Your son? Father is barely Shaun He was Shaun but that was ages ago now There's little Shaun left in him Why would Sole side with a man who thinks his mother dying was a ok thing to happen Sole isn't a idiot, once they realize what the institute had effectly done to their son? They'd bomb the Damm building to hell and back

[@kaizenregimen]

And that's why both stories suck

[@adamxei9073]

@@kaizenregimen I wouldn’t say that. I really do love the fallout games.

[@JesterAzazel]

He's a synth, you're a synth, are there anymore synths I should know about?!

[@zabaoth]

Your mom.

[@monsimix6839]

No your mom

[@AbdullahAfify1]

*gary coming out with a synth mask on* Meow

[@Gr3nadgr3gory]

HUMAN AS THE DAY I WAS BORN.

[@thatTesstyBish]

Definitely not me...

[@AdmiralAwsm]

How did that vertibird land beneath power lines at 15:15? That's the real mystery.

[@zabaoth]

They can also tip Bhramins.

[@martatarasiuk5198]

There is one thing I don't get about the Institute. They want to replace the humanity (which they believe to be completely corrupted) with synths, who are ment to be superhumans and the new stage in the human evolution. However, at the same time they claim that synths are just tools, no more human that a toster. Am I the only one seeing a bit of an inconsistency here? Institute, why won't you decide if synths are human or not?!

[@thepalewolf3725]

Maera Fey It wouldn't surprise me if they knew they were people but just teach that they aren't because it's more convenient.

[@martatarasiuk5198]

And I wouldn't be surprised if they knew that their plan of replacing the whole human population with synths wasn't about helping the society but about filling the world with slaves that would serve the Institute forever.

[@Toni-lo9ms]

Maera Fey My theory is the eventual plan is immortality through download into perfected synth bodies, thus "mankind, redefined". The upper echelon doesn't care if the synths are people since they are a means to an end, but control how they are perceived so the rank and file won't refuse to go along with using newly created synths in that way.

[@rwberger6]

The institute's goal isn't to replace literally everyone with synths or see Synths as the new humanity. What has happened is that the institute has given up on the surface world's humanity after being burned in the past when one of their early synths went nuts and everyone turned on them. They view the surface people as being no longer really humans or at least not important anymore. The institute see THEMSELVES as the real humanity, they even say themselves that they are mankind's greatest hope. When they say that, they aren't talking about the people on the surface or sharing technology or aid with them, they mean mankind as a whole. THEY are the future of mankind, the surface people are irrelevant. The synths are their tools, nothing more (Yet). They have plans for them in the future though, as the current synth program evolved out of the institute researching how to create artificial organs and body parts superior to a regular humans (The FEV experiments they were doing were part of this as well, but it turned out to be a dead end and then Virgil trashed the Lab). Basically, the institute is looking to turn themselves into better, stronger humans that can truly inherit the world with their advanced technology on top of it, within the game they are just currently limited by the size and power demands of their home, which is why they're trying to get the new reactor up and running. The reason they send spies to and manipulate the surface people is to weed out any potential threats and keep them weak so that they don't become a threat. They're still paranoid over the dangers of the surface world and from being burned so badly last time they made a real venture onto the surface.

[@Human_G]

Perhaps their trying to make the best possible version? Or maybe they're just looking at it like: hey, I made that.

[@wheeziereagle2697]

Preston Garvey”another settlement needs your...” Sole Survivor “ shut up Preston” Preston Garvey “uhh.. help general”

[@ShaqNasty557]

Institute OP please nerf

[@Plainofices]

SideVermin 93 lol *_its just part of the game_* #GitGudScrub #MLG

[@schizophrenicgaming5007]

Preston Garvey to op, pls nerf

[@calebkopp7636]

SideVermin 93 we heard your complaints and have nerfed Irellia.

[@adamdavenport8009]

Wrong game, guys! This isn't Destiny.

[@darkdog42]

Bethesda is confused they nerfed Blackbeard instead

[@theinstitute2077]

Its true you know: we would.

[@openaardvark419]

As long as you exist, the Railroad will exist. We are more than flesh and blood, we are an idea. And ideas, Director Shaun, are BULLETPROOF! *stabs Shaun*

[@Voidlux88]

go liberate a toaster

[@sir_potoo]

Who would win: a man with military grade training, pre-war power armor, laser weapons superior to that of the institute's, flying in a reconstructed VTOL aircraft VS some fake morally wrong dude that you can kill with one 44. to the head.

[@vault-teccorp9810]

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[@prankfoobisjr1171]

Sir Potoo the institute has infinite soldiers, The synths. Millions of weak soldiers could even overwhelm a powerful army like the brotherhood. So you’re wrong bud.

[@matthewjonas8952]

I'm surprised you didn't specifically bring up that just one courser is a walking one man army, demonstrated to be capable of the same level of demi-godhood in combat as the Sole Survivor (if not moreso, depending on your difficulty) when taking down the gunners. If coursers weren't solely based around apprehending rogue synths and actually killed with intention, the Brotherhood wouldn't stand much of a chance. If one courser can go on a genocidal rampage just to reclaim a synth, imagine what 5 coursers + Kellogg tasked specifically to the destruction of the Brotherhood could accomplish when unleashed on the airport. All factions but the Institute depend on the Chad Sole Survivor to accomplish anything meaningful.

[@bookwyrm3994]

The Brotherhood doesn't need the Sole Survivor though. They send him on a mission to attack Fort Strong, which any knight team can do. They send you to fix Liberty Prime which amounts to doing the equivalent of a few grocery runs. They even devise a way to get into the Institute without your feedback.

[@matthewjonas8952]

@@bookwyrm3994 It's been a while since I've seen this video, but looking back on my comment with clear eyes I see a flaw in my underlying argument. I'm essentially saying that the Institute is more powerful than the others because of what they're demonstrated to be capable of from a purely scripted perspective, but I then fail to offer the same treatment to the other factions. The purely scripted courser massacre of the Gunners is meant to show a courser's abilities from a lore perspective, so it is only fair that the other factions must be judged by their capabilities from a lore perspective. In that light, BoS is the only faction that really stands a chance, as, again, from a lore perspective it is still the case that the other factions are dependent on the sole survivor (Minutemen would have died with Garvey without SS's intervention and no one in the RR is capable of taking down a courser). Looking at it more fairly, I think it is safe to say BoS could hold their own, but I'm unsure as to who would win out in the end. Coursers are badass, but they're rare and not specifically manufactured. They could be devastating if pointed in the right direction, but there'd be heavy reliance on Gen 1 and 2 synths for any large direct confrontation. SS removed from the picture, the tide turner would probably be the beryllium agitator. If the Institute could somehow manage to retrieve it, the increase in synth production or weapon strength might enable them to best BoS. Without it, they'd probably need to play things a little more guerrilla.

[@tylersoto7465]

If the SS becomes director of institute and upgrade the institute rifle for synths and use coursers to lead synths into battle it would be a strong army, hack liberty prime to use it, and take the mechanicist lair to mass produce hundreds of sentribots and assultrons and have a 2nd army to command and can definitely wage war on 2 fronts send the synth army to brotherhood of steel and sentribots and assultrons army to fight against the railroad, gunners, diamond city, raiders and super mutants and blitzkrieg sweep them up and take over all together and if want to load up the train with robots to lay seige to Nuka world against the raiders and take it too and the institute would be the most powerful faction and can easily maintain order in commonwealth lol 😎😈

[@inthegamingmood2576]

I still can't believe teleportation was such a well kept secret. You're telling me there wasn't a single time some raider or scavver or even the early minutemen saw that gigantic blue flash and a synth popping from behind the corner and put two and two together?

[@edwardhumphrey3580]

Danse is a synth. As is Glory. Institute has inside agents in the Brotherhood and Railroad. That alone leads to their victory over those two factions. If you were to include Minutemen, Sturges is a synth... so again, infiltration acheived.

[@tarrisfairbroke6899]

When he was talking about using the recall code on the Brotherhood infiltrators to take them out of the fight, I couldn't help but get the mental image of instead of shouting their recall codes the guy with the megaphone shouts something along the lines of 'Execute order 66'.

[@SasukeTheCursed]

I'm not sure I buy this. First of all both the BoS and Institute wait on certain objectives because they want to get the Sole Survivor to do them as they are their most valuable asset. Also before getting the powerup to their generator the people of the institute make it very clear that they have to be very conservative with their power usage, so saying they could just "lol teleport" to victory isn't really doing it justice. Next they talk about phasing out the older gen 1 & 2 synths when you first get there meaning they probably don't have that many around to use as cannon fodder anymore. This would mean they are left with Gen 3s alot of which have free will and reject the institute which could result in information getting to the other factions and things not going to the institutes plans. The real advantages I see here would be Kellogg and the Coursers both of which I can see being defeated by the BoS and their massive firepower compared to what they are used to dealing with.

[@dodolicht4027]

1. Stop talking about the SS, in this situation he either didn't wake up in the vault or he died on his way to diamond city. 2. A courser which in lore is considered to be very very powerful could solve the power issue. don't know how the place is called where u need to go to help them with the power, they can just send a courser. 3.After a courser or Kellogg solve their power issues. as I already stated, they could do just that, teleport to victory. 4.The escaped synths wouldn't tell any other faction about information about the Institute beacuse A) Most of them don't know useful information B) They don't care about the information, they just want to escape out of the commonwealth. Now this is just my opinion and plz don't take your time writing an essay to respond to me beacuse i won't read it and i generally don't care, also the other reason why i hate the Fallout 4 BoS is beacuse they are basically nazis, they want to destroy the synths which are actually a race, so you probably see the connections beacuse you actually have some nice points and i hope you won't get angry at me, I just wanted to share my opinion.

[@Hexic920]

Dodo Licht Since you don't want an essay I'll just say you're wrong and leave it at that.

[@raiden4886]

The minutemen would be the first to die because there are barely any of them. They would die early on possibly by the raiders in concord. Then the brotherhood or institute would track the railroad down and kill them because they do not have advances like the other two. Then the factions would try to do their research possibly with the institute getting on the inside of the brotherhood. Then they could secretly wipe out the brotherhood with them clueless about it. The brotherhood has no idea about the institutes whereabouts but the institute can find the brotherhood easily which will lead to the institutes victory.

[@donrakim2652]

No, institute planting a mole in the ranks of brotherhood of steel won't work. As stated by Danse, recruits or would be recruits must be vouched by someone already in the ranks of the BOS in order for the institute to do that a synth must be able to bond with a BOS soldier and then gain his trust which I don't believe is possible at all due to the lack of emotions and affections a synth can give due to its violent nature assuming its sole purpose is to wipe out an entire faction. What I'm saying is that the BOS would have a chance toe to toe with the Institute, why? Due to its technological advancement, they are continually expanding their arsenal, tactics, resources and technologies through the use of research and data gathering and would have eventually come across a courser which will be their way in!

[@jamesbudd3096]

I mean it's pretty easy to find the brotherhood when their homebase is a fucking blimp type war ship in the fucking air

[@pedrorenault5335]

Haseo Rean vlogs The institute wouldn’t need to implant a mole in the ranks of the BoS. They just need to replace someone who is already in its ranks by a Synth copy, which could be easily done by kidnapping a Brotherhood patrol squad outside de airport

[@Deveren12]

@@donrakim2652 you know paladin danse is synth right so they already have a mooe

[@probablynotasith5355]

The minutemen can't loose because Preston is immortal.

[@collaborisgaming2190]

18:22 and 200 years of time. 200 years ago, Muskets were still the main weapon of the most sofisticated civilizations despite swords and iron armor being main stay in conventional militaries of the day. alot can happen in that time. the institute was practically untouched, capabilities wise in the great war, seed vaults and even GECK Units could of been recovered too.

[@smm8569]

Ha. Sorry but you guys talking about Oxhorn makes me so SO happy.

[@lachlanbold8319]

But radiation scrambles the teleporter, case in point: Vergil. The reason he was hiding in the Glowing Sea was explicitly stated, by Vergil, to prevent the Institute from following him. Also, before the reactor was online the teleporter used too much power to use en masse.

[@FudgeMuppet]

If they didn't have heaps of power and had to be careful with it, it would make the most sense to use the energy that they did have to get to the beryllium agitator. Like instead of using it for other things, they could still just teleport a squad to the mass fusion building (like not right into the radiation) WAY before the Brotherhood of Steel showed up. Then they'd have heaps of power and everything else they want to do can be done :)

[@CommandoNarco12]

So that's a single scenario. But why is it more likely than seizing the Mass Fusion building at the same time as BoS? That move was made in response to the Brotherhood threat...and the BoS had already identified the building as a strategic resource. I think you're underestimating the agency both of the BoS and Institute leadership, as well as the types of operations conducted by each faction. The Institution definitely has a technological and home-field advantage. But that doesn't mean their victory is "99 percent" probable. Intellectuals of the type seen in the Institute operate extremely differently than military officers and strategists. I think your explanation illustrates well *how* the Institute could win, but not necessarily the most likely outcome. I'm not confident enough to get on board with your conclusion. (Still a great video though! Very thought-provoking!)

[@Areanyusernamesleft]

I have to agree with Spectre7 on this. The Institute has had decades, at least, before the Sole Survivor wakes up to gain possession of everything they need for the power basically un-opposed; but they haven't! Other than questionable writting, ;) the only reason why they haven't is questionable leadership. :p This is actually implied by the state of much of the utility and other rundown sections of their base. This also rather heavily implies that the Institute's resources, while *perhaps* self-sustaining at their current population and usage, are (in the lore) far from unlimited! In contrast, the community of Vault 81 has maintained nearly all of their underground high-tech compound for a similar length if time with only a modest amount of trade with the outside. Have you ever stopped to think why the Institute has Gen 1 Syths mopping and sweeping floors, when there have been generations of smart and genius level people and not one has thought of the Fallout Universe equivalent of a Roomba? :p All this points to the lack of pragmatic and practical thinking, and words to that effect are explicitly stated by Father as why he wants the Sole Survivor to become Director of the Institute! In a way, they have the same sort of flawed, impractical thinking that indirectly lead to the Resource Wars and eventually the Great War.

[@Vaasref]

I think you are all giving way too much credit to Bethesda's writers.

[@Poth94]

One factor also to consider would be that most people in the wasteland hate the institute, so if shit hit the fan, the institute would basically have to fight the entire wasteland

[@fumarc4501]

Oxhorn reference! Instant likes!

[@flashfirepunch8634]

FUmarc rigght

[@strainedOS]

Yes because think deeply on this when you think about it then when you become the director you control the institute yes you help around but if you think long term then you can force the institute to go above ground

[@emeraldpotato3050]

I most agreed with the institute and they were my favorite faction in fallout 4.

[@winterfallstudios7101]

And I hate them, everyone's experience in this game is so different

[@luciusfong6321]

Why do they make super mutants lol

[@emeraldpotato3050]

Lucius Fong they experimented with them they never made them, that was the master from fallout 1

[@emeraldpotato3050]

Nicholas Wright they might have but all the groups did something messed up as one point or another. They also gathered great minds to help make a brighter future for the commonwealth and left behind identical copies of the person so that their families would be ok

[@emeraldpotato3050]

Nicholas Wright not everyone was killed and replaced just to be spied on. The institute has the best tech and the best minds assembled to give the best hope for the wasteland and now under the leadership of the solo survivor their work would continue.

[@7thsealord888]

Some disagreement here. Yep, the Institute has the tech edge and, basically, a Synth army to further its goals. O the other hand... Its relationship with Outside is basically parasitic - the Institute takes what it wants and gives very little, if any, return on that. Being a parasite is great , but only as long as your host is more or less OK. If something bad (or worse) happens to your host, then you are gonna get it as well. The Institute has a bunch of MAJOR blindspots.: * There is its absolute certainty that Synths in general are not and cannot become self-aware. We have ample evidence to the contrary. * They have great confidence in their security, but a teenager is hacking their system to help supposedly unintelligent Synths to escap. there3 is at least one access into their base through the lower levels, and the parent of their Acting Director is, despite SUPPOSEDLY being under SRB surveillance, able to get up to all kinds of undetected shenanigans inside the Institute. If anything the Institute seems to be the embodiment of the old line, "the Smarter You Are, The Dumber You Are..."

[@cupofearlgreytea7651]

This is actually the single best argument I've seen. I AGREE

[@tylersoto7465]

Yes imagine being the SS and become director of institute and upgrade the institute rifle for synths and use coursers to lead synths into battle to have a solid army to command, hack liberty prime to use it, take the mechanicist lair to mass produce hundreds of sentribots and assultrons to have a 2nd strong army to command, and can definitely wage war on 2 fronts send the synth army to brotherhood of steel and use sentribots and assultrons army to fight against the railroad, gunners, diamond city, raiders and super mutants in Boston and blitzkrieg sweep them up and take over together and if want to load up the train with robots and lay seige to Nuka world against raiders to take it and the institute would be the strongest faction in area and easily maintain order in commonwealth lol

[@anothersettlementneedsyour9146]

You just made Institute my fav faction

[@tylersoto7465]

Me too lol, if I was SS and become director of institute I would upgrade the institute rifle for synths and use the coursers to lead synths into battle it would be a formable army at my command, hack liberty prime to use, and take mechanicist lair to mass produce hundreds of sentribots and assultrons to have a 2nd army that would be great, and I could wage war on 2 fronts send the synth army to attack brotherhood of steel and use sentribots and assultrons to fight against the railroad, gunners, diamond city, raiders and super mutants and blitzkrieg sweep them up and take over commonwealth together and if want to load up the train with robots to lay seige to Nuka world and take it from raiders and the institute will be a powerful faction on east coast and probably expand onward lol

[@brazilian733]

the more i think of the institute, the more it sounds like star wars during the Clone-CIS battles

[@Keymaster2022]

In the beginning, the minutemen is weaksause. At the end of the game, we controlled most of the commonwealth :) But I understand why they aren't a factor in this video. They're practically non-existent at the start of the game.

[@Mr777STR777]

It is made clear through institute missions that they have power issues and it seemed they need the sole survivor in order to fix this. This may limit their ability to teleport. This was a great task, comparing the factions. Thank you for a GREAT vid, FudgeMuppet.

[@Meuxso]

Year old comment but oh well. I'ma reply anyways. They really had..no need for the sole survivor to power up their reactor. All they needed was the agitator. Which. They could of easily replaced you with Kellogg. Since if you weren't around, he'd still be kicking about. So, no. You weren't needed at all to get the agitator to fix their power problems. Kellogg would of took a team and Allie to Mass Fusion and got it. Now one might say. "Well. How could Kellogg fight so many power armor BoS knights?" The same can be same for yourself. Especially if you're Nora and not Nate. You're not even a soldier then. Nate at least had experience in combat. Also. Kellogg is cybernetically enhanced. Not to mention he could likely bring several coursers with him. Which are basically terminators in how tough and dangerous they are in lore, at least. And that's assuming they didn't decide to get the agitator before the brotherhood even shows up.

[@TURKEYonWH3AT]

I joined the Institute... They just seemed like the only chance for the Commonwealths future

[@the_dropbear4392]

TURKEYonWH3AT Exept for the fact they are dicks who only care for themselves and will happily murder and replace innocent and unimportant people with synths

[@TURKEYonWH3AT]

Iron Wolf the key word there is "unimportant" in a post apocalypse world people who arent benefitting, or ensuring the continuity of mankind, are "unimportant". Sacrifices must be made

[@jazzensemble]

TFW people prefer orwellianism (the institute) and fascism (BOS) to mutual aid and freedom (minutemen/railroad)

[@jerome96114]

Which "future". it isn't just "unimportant" poeple. They more than once state that they want to eradicate ALL surface dwellers. if they were successfull with that that would reduce humanity to what exactly - like 50 people or such? An institute win means basically no humanity anymore.

[@aaronperry2960]

TURKEYonWH3AT Then why bother with a future if you think normal people just trying to survive are expendable?

[@jtfbreedlove]

I think it was mentioned during the meet the institute heads quest that it takes a metric crapton of power to teleport even once and their reactor is a little stressed during the events of the game, and while they could field the largest fighting force in the game their laser weapons are inferior to prewar lasers for some reason.

[@jdgaming1637]

What got me to subscribe...the pure fact that you respect other KZbinrs that cover fallout lore aswell like oxhorn. Respect m8

[@tjhedgescout3052]

If they are left unchecked, they would take over. Just like the Enclave would have taken over if the Lone Wanderer didn't intervene. Pretty sure Caesar's Legion would take over as well if the Courier didn't intervene.

[@shanebarr2777]

TJ HedgeScout. I agree with Enclave but NCR beat legion four years prior to NV without the courier.

[@tylersoto7465]

What if the SS gets involved and become director of institute and upgrade the institute rifle for synths and use coursers to lead synths into battle it would be a formable army at his command, hack liberty prime to use it, take mechanicist lair to mass produce hundreds of sentribots and assultrons to have a 2nd army to command and can definitely wage war on 2 fronts send the synth army to brotherhood of steel and the sentribots and assultrons army to fight against the railroad, gunners, diamond city, raiders and super mutants and blitzkrieg sweep them up and take over all together and if want to load up train with robots to lay seige to Nuka world against raiders and take it and the institute would be the most powerful faction in the commonwealth lol

[@merlinpendragon1846]

Excellent video. I completely agree. I play a character similar to Vader. "Peace through tyranny". Droid army helps.

[@tylersoto7465]

Take over the mechanicist lair too and have another robot army to command lol

[@maximus4765]

I don't know, they have like one synth production room and it's pretty slow to produce tin men with peashooter lasers.

[@maxw2210]

Teleportation may require large amount of energy, teleporting large amounts of bombs over brotherhood base could be impossible

[@tylersoto7465]

With the new superior fusion core you get for institute , the institute can teleport synths lot easier and more , the SS could gather resources to build 100 fusion reactors to most definitely keep teleportating lol

[@S0ulGh0st]

The Institute could do the same shit the Minutemen do to fuckup the Prydwen. If they can build all that science stuff, they could do fucking artillery from the 1800's

[@the_dropbear4392]

S0ulGh0st and the brotherhood can easily deploy liberty prime without you, plus lots of vertibirds, plus lots of people in power armour plus they could sent more reinforcements from further west including tanks, which is more firepower than the institute can handle.

[@S0ulGh0st]

Iron Wolf As it's said in the video, the BoS would take some time to act, deploy units and stuff even if there wasn't a story narrative, the Institute wouldn't. And if they defeated the BoS once, they would have time to prepare new defenses.

[@dodolicht4027]

+Iron Wolf Without you the BoS couldn't finish Liberty Prime, "lots of vertibirds" you mean like 10, right? Also the BoS don't even know the Institue's location, also there are not alot of tanks left, also it would take time for tanks to get there. also they wouldn't send their tanks to a secondary base, they have to protect their main base somehow ffs -_-. Also it is not confirmed that they have more tanks than the one you repair in Fallout: Tactics (and Fallout: Tactics isn't cannon, so yeah, and don't tell me about Fallout 4 tanks since those may not be in workable condition).

[@anthonyray1071]

The fact nobody knows about the Institute's teleportation always baffled me. I mean yeah it was a closely guarded secret but it's not exactly subtle, there's a huge flash of light. You can't tell me there wasn't a single person saw a courser appear in a flash and survived, then put two and two together.

[@TheMelancholicWriter]

Usually when they teleport it’s away from prying eyes. Only reason we see it is due to the secret being out and the narrative no longer needing to be so mysterious.

[@TheZipperDragon]

When you were already killing the crows, then you see this.

[@sixeswild274]

Most of this does make perfectly good sense. The one limitation to teleportation may still be the energy requirements, as it is mentioned by an an institute scientist to the Sole Surivor, that "they didn't even want to know how much energy it took". I know getting the Beryllium Agitator solved a lot of their problems, however it could still be a logistical concern, although not an outright hurdle.

[@tylersoto7465]

That's ok I can build 100 fusion reactors for them to easily do it lol

[@MrMadre]

I think even if the institute destroyed the BoS in the commonwealth, other chapters could retaliate. They're nearly 100,000 BoS members scattered across the post war USA 200 years later. The institute would think they destroyed the BoS and celebrate before 100s more arrive and wipe them.

[@liberval9425]

I like how the Institute is just post-apocalyptic MIT.

[@tylersoto7465]

In my new Vegas story the courier took over mr house's securitron army and all his money etc and went to big Mt to build a neon cyberpunk paradise city and actually have a securitron army and took over the roboscorpion army and giant roboscorpion to use for himself and defend his city and can use the technology resources to create a futuristic society to live in and he could teleport anywhere he wants

[@phoenix_viridis]

Great Video, you make a lot of interesting points. I believe that the Institute advantage is smaller than you think. For one, in the game if Desdemona directs you to the Minute Men, she will explain that they are the only people with the firepower capable of defeating the Institute. Indeed, if you look at what the Institute is doing to the Commonwealth you will see that their main goal is to keep the people of the Commonwealth disorganized. This leads me to believe that the Institute has a reason for not being able to take the Commonwealth by force up to this point in the story. It could be that their leadership is a split group of scientists. It also seems to me that each division of the institute works too independently of each other to create a focused war campaign. I think that the Institute scientists just don't have the right mindset to muster their advantages into conquering the Commonwealth. Another thing is resources. If the only way in and out is through teleportation then they will probably be limited on resources moreso than the other factions. Sure it seems like they could produce a ton of Gen 2 Synths, but Gen 2 Synths are pretty useless against Knights in Power Armor. I've seen raider gangs more effective than Synth squads. My point is they are making Gen 2 Synths instead of power armor because they lack a sufficient amount of materials to go the route of power armor for their ground forces. Next, let's consider their second most powerful ground forces: Coursers. A single courser is shown to be capable enough to take out a heavily fortified Gunner base X6-88 to be specific. But if you really look at his effectiveness some questions come to mind. 1. X6-88 avoids fighting the majority of gunners in that base leading me to believe he is more of an infiltrator than as capable of a fighter he is made out to be by that scene. 2. He was sent out into dangerous Gunner territory to recover a single Synth. Does this mean that the Institute is having so big of a problem with rogue Synths that they are willing to send their most capable combat units into harm's way just to get one escaped Synth? The Gen 3 Synths, are too unreliable for the Institution to use effectively. The Gen 2 Synths seem to make up the bulk of their fighting force and you see how ineffective they are when you meet Paladin Danse. Infiltration and Reconisance seem to be their biggiest advantage over the other factions. Yes, they could infiltrate and spy in the Brotherhood, but look at how ineffective it was in the story. Sure Danse got close to Elder Maxson, but Danse had become a true member of the Brotherhood at that point. That infiltration only made the Brotherhood stronger. The Gen 3 Synths may seem scary to everyone in the Commonwealth, but they are far from perfect or reliable assets for the institute to use. The institutes most capable asset therefore was Kellogg, a cybernetically enhanced mercenary. Kellogg however could not be trusted with the big missions, nor could the Synths because even the coursers were known to turn on the institute. With all of these problems in mind, I see the Institute as having a hard time using their ability to teleport effectively. Sure they could surprise the Brotherhood, but the Brotherhood has superior firepower and tactics in a fight even if taken off guard. Finally let's address the teleporting over the Pyridin idea. While playing the game on survival difficulty, I was able to teleport to the Institute from anywhere but unable to teleport out anywhere other than the CIT Ruins. This along with lore stating that Synth activity is heaviest around the CIT Ruins leads me to believe that they are unable to teleport anywhere other than the CIT Ruins when they teleport outside of the Institute. Teleporting back to the Institute seems to have less restrictions. Ultimately, I believe that they are unable to wield their teleportation technology except for excape and evasion purposes. That being said, Synth relay gernades seem to act as targets for teleporting gen 2 Synths but their limitations do not seem clearly defined. Perhaps they could be used for that purpose. But these are the reasons that I do not think that the Institute is as OP as they seem.

[@cyber1ifeconnor]

Ffs dude use lore not game mechanics, lore wise coursers could kill 3 power armoured knights, in game a courser gets killed by one knight in power armour

[@phoenix_viridis]

@@cyber1ifeconnor Good point, and thanks for reading my mini-novel!

[@General_Griffin]

@@cyber1ifeconnor Speaking about lore... I don't know much, but can you explain to me how that makes sense though? Such an outcome seems mythical to me while imagining the scenario realistically.

[@MeagerClown]

@@General_Griffin In the game's plot a courser killed an entire building of gunners, with missile launchers and lazer guns and turrets. The coursers are basically all batman and everyone else is a 2-bit thug by comparison. They're quite possibly stronger than Kellog, and Kellog was a masterful fighter, who had the accuracy to perfectly shoot a turret in its combat inhibitor and not be detected while doing so, killing a band of raiders with a single bullet. Then remember that besides the player character, there's no known instance in lore of a courser ever even being killed.

[@General_Griffin]

@@MeagerClown It seems you're saying there is no realistic reason... That they simply *are* "basically Batman". Is that correct? I was looking for more deep lore about them which explains *how* they are allegedly so powerful.

[@funkkymonkey6924]

I believe there are 1 or 2 issues with teleportation such as 1: Power consumption 2: Resource allocation (they don't have infinite resources) Finding the institute wouldn't be to hard either because of the giant fusion reactor located within it. And finally, the brotherhood is far better equipped, synths are not the best fighters... Any issues entering the institute would also be null, especially because of the minutemen nuclear option where you just go through the pipes...

[@tylersoto7465]

But that what he's saying the institute can upgrade the synths to be more effective, be mass produce teleport and repair themselves too , all a synth has to do is shoot a missle launcher at the prydwen and it's down taking out the brotherhood of steel out of the picture

[@aGrimTurtle]

Magnolia is a synth?! You mean every single character I've played, including my "evil" BoS character, banged a synth?!

[@bluethunderbolt9631]

Lol

[@patricknilsson4360]

Who is also your grand daughter...

[@odstguy89]

I think you make great points about teleportation. But arguably your assumption on the brotherhood of steel is that they would send a squad in and probably die. In lore we know Power Armour is protective against the effects of Radiation, also, the assumption that they would die is based on if they decided to march into the glowing sea and fight their way to virgil. The chances are they would just use a vertibird and drop outside his base. They may hate super mutants but if said mutant has value they would most likely capture and interrogate Virgil. Secondly, to say no one knows where the institute is, is based on what the commonwealth knows. Dr Li is inside the Institute when you show up. No one told her where it is and in Fallout 3 she walks off north, given she spends most of the game in the science lab and then again in the citadel. Which is North of Rivet City, suggests she left with knowledge of where it was without Zimmerman, so she must have gained that knowledge from either escaped synths or the institute didn't used to be that secretive and she was told the location. Given Zimmerman isn't mentioned as telling nor teleporting her in there and his failure to appear in game in FO4 either suggests failure in FO3 or that his mission was extended. Either way that most likely eliminates him as the reason she made it to the institute. The Brotherhood would also most likely be able to figure out the location of the institute provided they held out long enough to decrypt a courser chip and given the pressure piled on by the institute there's no reason the BOS wouldn't acquire Institute tech to examine. Provided that Kellog is a badass and admittedly looks good for a 120 ish year old cyborg, the fact that the game states he was given the task of hunting down Virgil after he delivered Shaun when he was 10 years old, means that Kellog has been literally sitting and scouting out the Glowing Sea for 50 years. If he had any idea where Virgil was, he had the opportunity to take him out long before. He either felt incapable or he had no idea where Virgil was. The BOS however do seem to know. That i admit is a plot hole i do not quite understand but it is significant enough that even without the Sole Survivor they stood a chance of extracting knowledge of the Institues whereabouts. I would argue the case of the Railroad but sadly the game argues that for me. There very existance as even a slight military force would be non existent without the Sole Survivor and so they would be wiped out by whichever of the the remaining two got there first. As for the minutemen, as you said without the sole survivor being a variable the Raiders would finish off the final few in Concord within a day or two of any conflict starting. The institute may win, but it isn't as clear cut as Teleportation being the Deus Ex Machina that it is portrayed as, and would likely be due to the overwhelming boots on the ground and guerrilla fighting that would to be honest have the potential to drag on for years. Whoever can sustain that (Which the BOS can as in Lore they have roughly 10/20,000 soldiers) plus the fear of the institute would likely push the citizens into the BOS's ranks if they wished for their "freedom" allowing for a long drawn out conflict which makes the fight much more even but much more bloody. The BOS isn't necessarily out of the fight, but human reproduction is slow, and Synth production is fast. So they definitely have the back foot. But it means they fight much smarter. Balancing the fight yet again. This war isn't clear cut when the Deus Ex Machina is only advantageous to gain ground. Which the Brotherhood didn't need in the first place.

[@tylersoto7465]

It's like star wars the clone wars show the brotherhood of steel are clones with power armor and synths are advance droids and keep fighting but the synths like droids are lot larger in numbers and can be easily made , upgraded and repaired too so the institute is more likely to win and if they find the mechanicist lair they can create a 2nd army easy out of it and have reserves to fight with

[@DennisUrMenace]

Still think BoS would take it reason being is there massive size. Maxon is just one chapter and if he rang the bell to other chapters they may jump in. Also a single paladin with a base laser rifle (which is better then the institutes weapon) and a set of T-60 power armor could take a hoard of synths single handedly, Danse at arch jet is a good example and MOST of the time it’s a squad of trained soldiers. A knight in power armor could also take a courser one on one. The brotherhood would be able to find the institute because they were able to find the signal that gets broadcasted everytime teleportation gets used and I believe found institutes hideout using that method even if Sole Survivor helps them. How many synths and coursers could maxon kill all by himself with maxed out T-60 power armor and a Gatling laser? I feel like it’d be a lot lol

[@tsrker7211]

1. The BOS doesn’t like each other so maxon is on his own which is why he separated himself from lyons,2 most of the coursers rival paladins it is stated that coursers are already stronger and faster than the average human if one courser took out every gunner in green tech genetics imagine what 5 coursers would do to a paladin not to mention it takes a long time to train a paladin compared to training a courser.

[@justsomerandombirdwithinte5896]

Hell, Maxon only brought a *smidge* of the DC chapter.

[@justsomerandombirdwithinte5896]

@@tsrker7211 Maxon actually reunited The Outcasts and DC chapter, he is the single greatest elder ever seen in the brotherhood

[@justsomerandombirdwithinte5896]

@@tsrker7211 brotherhood is still stronger

[@tsrker7211]

@@justsomerandombirdwithinte5896 that’s why they still can’t find the institute but the institute knows everything about them

[@robertaperoglio]

"Little came of having the kindest heart. Sorry Railroad." :(

[@RadChild13]

I think the main flaw in this argument is that the institute at the start of the game may not have the power capacity at the start of the game to teleport many synths at once. The drain on their reserves is supposed to be alot.

[@jean-lucalexander4719]

Teleportation was very energy costive. As is making synthetics. They would basically have enough storage to build an army and teleport them. If they lost they would be lost forever. Humans build factions in "ragtag" fashion. Unless you wiped them all out they could and would rebuild.

[@riyadhf1rdausehh]

**yelling reprogramming code through megaphone** *EveryoneDies™*

[@RyoruIshnamea]

Here's my problem with the theory put up here.. When playing through the game multiple times you get a chance to see what it would be like if the player fought for different factions. But it's not just about the perspective of the winning force. It's also giving you a chance to see how the factions you're NOT playing fare without your intervention. The Brotherhood are still capable of finishing Liberty Prime without the Sole Survivor, they still pose a huge threat to the Institute regardless of who the Sole Survivor picks as the faction they want to back - it's ridiculous how capable they are *without* the Sole Survivor. And they're the only faction that shows so much capacity for success without the player's role. The *only* one. Yes, the Institute is technologically superior and technically has the advantage of being hidden - but that information is actually found by the Brotherhood without the intervention of the Sole Survivor and the superior technology isn't enough. The only thing that tips the scales is the Sole Survivor's choices. In the end, if you were to view the Brotherhood through the eyes of an Institute friend player, and then remove the Sole Survivor from the Institute's accomplishments - the Institute would absolutely find defeat. It would just take longer. Besides, historically speaking just because a super-power is more technologically advanced doesn't mean they can't fall to a civilization that isn't remotely as advanced as them. Usually it's the over-reliance on that technology that is the primary spark of that power's downfall. And the Institute is *insanely* over-reliant. The big problem comes in the fact that they don't have a strong home-game and their only real reason for defeating the Brotherhood wasn't because of teleportation or Synths but because the Sole Survivor is a Deus Ex McGuffin god-tier character capable of inhuman feats that make the Commonwealths baddest MOFO look like an overly aggressive toaster. He/She is the *only* reason the Institute ever stood a chance and even Father recognizes that during the Institute side of the story-line. Based on that kind of information it stands to reason that claiming the Institute can't be defeated is ludicrous. Not to mention how amazingly stretched the logic you brought into your own theory has to be in order for teleportation to be of any legitimate tactical use in time to stop the Brotherhood should the Sole Survivor be removed from the equation. And the real truth here is this: The Institute and Brotherhood are on near equal footing when it comes to who could win sans Sole Survivor. They could very well destroy one another, and any victory would likely be Pyrrhic. But if *any* faction could come out as a clear winner sans player intervention it definitely wouldn't be the Institute and the game treats it as such *no matter which faction you choose*. And for everyone claiming that Kellog could lead them to victory - the reason Father wants to replace Kellog is because he has reached his limitations and could do little to nothing more to further the Institute's goals beyond the exact same shit he'd been doing for 20-50 years prior to the player killing him, which effectively amounts to light hitman and bounty hunter work. As both Kellog and Father admit: The enhancements put into Kellog have a shelf life and limitations to what they could do and those limitations were being reached. It was already over for him. Also, teleportation as a tactical advantage only existed for the Institute after the player helped them complete the fusion reactor *years* ahead of schedule. So how exactly could it be an advantage when the Brotherhood, at the same time as this accelerated advancement for the Institute occurs, gets the information needed to defeat the Institute? It's not possible without the player. In the end, the combination of power armor, advanced tactics, and just what the game presents in general for what the brotherhood is capable of even without the player when compared to the tactics, advanced technology, and what the game presents for the capabilities of the Institute sans player involved leaves the Institute as the pathetic underdog in the tale, not the overbearing conquering overlords of the Commonwealth. Granted, the Brotherhood in the Commonwealth would very likely need to retreat back to the DC ruins after the fighting either way, but they are the only faction presented with the capacity to come out as the clear winner should the player have died in cryo-stasis.

[@InanisNihil]

history also SHOWS super powers FELL literally cause of in fighting and distrust and fear mongering that weakens and started ripping it down thus was easily clapped by a far weaker nation... also.. US military as well as others have made clear that a robot army would be a game changer.. humans could not compete.. the US military has also already address the strains and limits of even the most elite solider.. and has and is in development of exoskeleton suits... which again.. also requires tons of resources... a synth by its nature is beyond what the US military would love to achieve right now.. not only that human senses are limited.. and fighting in the nite is also a big issus and requires both gear and knowledge training etc... a synth would literally have sense beyond what a human even with the gear to fight even at nite... nite or day.. weather climate temperature mean literally nothing to a synth.. weather is a MAJOR factor in wars.. the strongest human ever to exist.. would be snapped like a twig by a synth.. let robot grab u.. see what happens... get in a gun fight with a robot taht should have aimbot programmed in it... synth doesnt have to take cover.. it doesn't lose blood.. it doesnt need legs or hand to still keep fighting... it can bullets... its about as thin as a skeleton of a human.. so u have a robot with highly senses superior to that of humans with a smaller thinner hit box with great aim shooting a human with a far larger hit box... hit a human with a grenade.. dead or out of the fight.. hit a synth.. good change it may get damage to it limbs or some of its sense.. butt i probably can still shoot at you... also ill do fudgemuppet one better.. why a synth to suicide bomb.. when u can instead create multiple birds instead of a synth human have them suicide bomb.. many militarizes saw just how effective it would be to use animals to suicide.. the reason it was always abandoned was cause animals are animals and dont play by human rule... butt a synth bird... that extremely deadly.. and could actually be the most effective and nearly impossible method to defend against.. walk out side .. a bird could come at u at any time from any direction even at nite and u really would have zero time to act if u even have the chance to realize it before u blew up.. the insitute could literally just fly in a shit ton of crows and other birds with high explosives on or in them and bombard the prydwyn.. it would be less costly and way more effective then actually walking in or teleportation synth people.. i would fly a line of bird striaght into the front windshield.. first bird blows up the glass.. 2nd bird kills anyone who didnt died for the glass and fragments and blows up the controls.. then the 3rd bird etc.. repeat and keep going... sure bos could shot the birds.. butt even in the day light it be to late too late to react.. butt doing it a nite.. even worse... tbh in reality its embarassing know that the bos could legit be defeated by tiny synth bird drones... bushes and trees and debri and buildings and holes and cars everywhere.. literally a bird could hide anywhere and everywhere and blind side every single bos member all day long if they werent inside a closed secure area... adn the prydwin.. isnt realy secure against such a bombardment.. oh liberty prime.. easy... huge flock of suicide crows bombarding his head from every direction.. remember the premise of this war is BOTH SIDE FULL COMMIT TO A WAR EFFORT... naturally this means then institute would mobilize all its departments to the war effort.. things like tryna improve their food is gonna be at the bottom of the list... also realistically.. i would not wear STEEL OR ANY KIND OF METAL ARMOR if the weapons thats shooting at me are freaking lasers or plasma.. im not tryna get cooked in my armor... 😂 literally imagine the terminator... with out his skin.. literally basically a synth... u arent not finna beat it no matter how skilled you are by urself..

[@joshuakim5240]

There is one problem with this: while the BoS are repairing Liberty Prime, they can't repair him to his best condition which is needed to defeat the Institute without the player. Without the agitator, Liberty Prime can't use lasers or even move around much without draining a stupid amount of energy that the BoS don't have at their disposal. They either use discount Prime and be on par with the Institute (well, until it runs out of battery), or have the SS get them the agitator which turns Prime into the table turner it is.

[@AllahCat7889]

@@joshuakim5240 frankly, the BOS doesn't need the solesurvivor to get the agitator

[@ignatiaus3819]

Scarecat without the sole survivor the institute would’ve just teleported coursers in to take the agitator

[@azarzu]

You brotherhood bastard, you just don't get it. The Institute has the power to rule the world not just the commonwealth. After replacing Elder Maxson the brotherhood will be basically under Institute control.

[@patriotsandtyrants]

You make some valid points, however geo politics and war are both more complicated than this theory postulates. You did an excellent job laying out the advantages of the institute, however there are some deeply apparent flaws as well, primarily, with the people themselves. Let us examine a couple problems.... first, Father is a terrible leader. He systematically ignores the advice of his board, he makes rash and ignorant decisions and he has no idea what he is doing tactically... this is a firm recipe for disaster during a campaign... “but he has cancer and will be dead soon” you say.... and you’re right, however I have seen no evidence that any other scientist in the institute has any idea how to fight a war, let alone command one either. Having more pieces on a chessboard than your opponent may sound like a good idea... unless they’re all pawns. You also don’t consider that the enemy of my enemy is my friend... should the institute engage openly with the brotherhood it is likely that they would ally with the railroad rather than destroy them... and by their powers combined, they might actually have a chance... and as for your Manchurian candidate scenario where a synth kills maxon, that may not be the worst thing, I’m not entirely convinced that he is the general he’s cracked up to be... I’m not saying that you’re wrong, or that the institute would lose... I’m simply stating that this war would be a lot nastier than this video implies... of course, in the end the likely scenario between two ego maniacal sociopathic despots raging against one another is that it wouldn’t really matter who won, as there would be little left in the aftermath.... leaving a massive power vacuum for the minutemen or some raider faction to sweep in and win it all in the end.

[@rejvaik00]

I always pick the Brotherhood of Steel for my good play through and the Institute for my bad play through. Though IMO *and it's just an opinion don't threaten me* I feel that the SS would side with the institute. I don't think that the SS would ever consider killing their only son no matter what they experienced in the wasteland especially when the memory of his kidnapping was so fresh in the SS's mind. I feel like although the SS would probably disagree with some practices of the institute they would definitely side with it if it meant they could continue to be with their son and continue to build up the legacy Shawn leaves behind. I just don't ever see a parent so determined to find their son going through all that hell the wasteland has to offer to only at the end to kill him. And then somehow justify it. No doubt it would forever traumatize the SS and probably cause them to commit suicide.

[@hunterjolliff7953]

In my play throughs the SS goes mad and joins the nuke world raiders after destroying the institute

[@0lderSch00l]

I never side with the Brotherhood. Mostly it's because they are xenophobic and their leader is an utter ass, they are also amazingly squishy in the late game. I have a counter to your argument about the SS; their son is not the man they meet in the Institute. You would have to be of a particularly forgiving temperment to accept that the stranger that looks vaguely like you is actually your son. Then you have to take into account the fact that many wouldn't accept it and would go nuts in any of a dozen ways. The human mind is particularly fragile and most people wouldn't be able to cope, SS or not. Also, speaking as a father with an estranged child; there are some things that you simply cannot forgive, no matter how much you love your offspring. What I'm saying is that it depends on the individual, so every choice made as to the SS's allegiance is valid.

[@Gr3nadgr3gory]

I came out and he was an old man. The SS's mind broke at that point and he now believes the synth shawn is his son.

[@roelofallout343]

Nah, bos is just discriminating ghouls, doesnt care about settlers etc. Minute men is the only good faction for the fate of the commonwealth

[@tylersoto7465]

Now I'm thinking about it fuck everyone else I'm joining the institute I'm tired of railroad, BOS and minutemen settlement shit etc and I prefer the institute technology resources anyway and I love their architecture aesthetic looks inside everywhere and I can have a synth army to back me up and if I take mechanicist lair too I can produce hundreds of sentribots and assultrons to reinforce my order of things and I have TOLIET PAPER lol 😎

[@foundyif]

There's one part I don't think you mentioned though (I was playing a game while listening so sorry if I missed it!). The Institute's Phase 3 is activating the nuclear reactor, and doing so essentially gives the Institute unlimited power. Without it, they are on the brink of power failure, and don't really have the capacity to defeat the Brotherhood. I suppose Kellogg could attempt it, but is he really strong enough? During the Mass Fusion mission there are a LOT of Brotherhood soldiers, many of them in Power armor. It would be a huge battle and personally, I don't see the Institute being able to win it. Without the fusion ball thing, how far can the Institute really go?

[@narupiv]

They succeed in getting the reactor working in every single ending. Even the brotherhood ending where YOU take the beryllium agitator. The beryllium agitator was simply the first and easiest option for the reactor.

[@redtsun67]

Institute has showers, toilet paper, running water, food, clean rooms, lights, toilet paper, armed guards, toilet paper, a fearless military, toilet paper, toilet paper. Did I mention they have toilet paper and showers?

[@QuadroonImperator]

br33z13 Exactly, it’s the definition of being civilized. In the commonwealth there is no order, there’s nothing but anarchy.

[@AL-wj5wx]

Wanna know an easy way to find synths? Metal detector

[@InanisNihil]

heres my take... the BOS are leagues above the Institute in military prowess... institute is one of subversion gorrilla hit and run tactics... they cant take the bos on head to head... though nothing is stopping the institute like with US went to ww1 and 2... is to covert all their production and resources into a war effort.. lol the problem is the faction that would win is a non playable faction.. the gunners... people really really underestimate them... the game itself gives "hidden in plain sight" bits of info on just how massive and developed militarily effective they are... Gunners are a Paramilitary force that allows its soldier to do mercenary work on the side.. Gunners are not a Mercenary group thats organized like a military... theres a difference between the two... xb they are located strategically all over boston and game highly suggest they are outside of it to... with the Nuka world DLC... the gunners may just indeed have access to satellites... if not then a satellite relay ability... no other faction since the enclave had this... they are using this to talk to cypress... gunners have a mirror image of post war miltiary rankings... that means crypress isnt even the highest ranking... xb that make them even more massive then what they appear in game... remember game lore states the gunners ARE EQUAL TOO.... if not MORE POWERFUL then the bos....and unlike the bos they are massive and have the resources and man power that is closer in league to the NCR the bos have all their eggs in one basket... the prdwyn.... the institute have all their eggs in one basket... the institute... gunners have unnumbered eggs in innumerable baskets... and they're presence in the common wealth is very reminisce of the NCR in new vegas.. a frontier... not the main force nor the full power of the faction is present.. Gunners remind me of the US military... Gunners in boston is like US's overseas bases... not the "homeland" manpower and resources are what win wars in the end... Gunners are literally the only ones around in fallout 4 that have this... xb its not a question but when they will fully control boston...

[@smite9924]

@@swann3482 they were that Riley's company the one where you get the unique combat armour

[@durakeno5575]

They took on the BOS headon in their ending tho

[@Yanderelink1]

You forgot the raider faction,yes they aren't that powerful but they are a lot and most of them are connected because they are chapter of Bosco's gang. Theres also the gunners,they are an organised army. And last:patrolling the mojave almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter. PS:Sorry if theres bad orthograph I speak french

[@tylersoto7465]

The institute could just make a ton of jet and psycho to pay the raiders to attack the brotherhood of steel or hire gunners etc

[@cap3423]

I called dibs on first in the previous video, so therefore i am truly first.

[@dominicg2456]

MasterStar oh. :(

[@dominicg2456]

Dibs on first

[@franzsanders9573]

MasterStar Well played.

[@Texan_Patriot]

First in this race means last in reality...

[@Kira-np9eb]

roses are red violets are blue, i am not first, neither are you

[@letsdothisshiat1162]

The institute ending should be canon

[@jonmcinnis1645]

letsdothisshiat yeah but i also think that the institute and minutemen alliance should also be canon

[@spartenkiller456]

It's explained that teleportation drains immense amount of power and they're all power rationing all throughout the main quest. Many scientists express fear of the next blackout in ambient dialogue. The only person who is allowed to teleport in and out of the institute at once is the sole survivor. Phase 3 is all about power and how the institute doesn't have any right now. So as great as teleportation is, it's extreme power requirements is a pretty effective check against they're mobility. That's why there plans take decade's to come together and probably why you see so many dangerous gen 1's and 2's left on the surface as if to advertise the existance of the super secret institute. Surveillance and secrecy is incredibly useful, but it won't win a war on it's own. The institute is kinda like an early predator drone, with a big camera's to see with but no missile's to shoot. Without an army to act on the intelligence gathered, all you can do is watch helplessly as the terrorist plants the bomb. Their resource superioty is questionable too, during the institute questline 2 bioscience engieers take the entire food supply hostage. Granted they we're protosting the Sole Survivor's appointment to director, but the fact that they can do this at all is very troubling. Also the ends up institute complete's phase 3 anyway (without the beryllium agitator,) in the brotherhood questline, which means there's either more then one in the wasteland or there's something else that can substitute for it. I think that given sufficient time the brotherhood could find the institute and reactivate liberty prime, that is the whole reason they came to the Commonwealth after all. I also think that given time, the institute could complete phase 3 and crush the brotherhood. But the race is much closer then you think it is. Also I think it's a mistake to discount the railroad, not only is they're surveillance and secrecy almost at institute levels, but they're the only faction that has actually hurt the institute and gotten away with it. They existed in fallout 3 and stretched at least as far as the capital wasteland which means they have been doing this for at least a decade. Nobody has been in this fight longer and while they aren't exactly thriving when you find them, I don't think they're going anywhere. They're a different kind of "underground," and the way they take down the brotherhood is inspired. Also assuming you're neutral and shoot the courser that's invincible to everyone but you, and leave everyone else alone. The Railroad Heavies actually manage to successfully defend the synths underneath Bunker Hill, against an onslaught of institute synths and Power Armored Brotherhood Soldier's. Granted they we're in a fortified defensive position and they got they asses kicked out in the open outside the wall, the fact that they could accomplish this at all is pretty damn impressive. Your video is evidence of what is probably the best thing the institute has going for it. Everyone who see's them thinks they're untouchable. They're wild technology impresses, despite it's flaw's and that can make you think you can't win so you won't try, Shock and Awe style de-escalation. Much like what the brotherhood tried to accomplish by bullhorning they're way into the Commonwealth on the prydwin. It's a little late for that now though, the boiling points been reached and war is coming, and war? War never changes...

[@preyold1819]

You forgot that the relay uses lots of energy

[@bluethunderbolt9631]

You forgot the reactor.

[@InanisNihil]

u forgot most wars... like ww1 and 2 were fought with all sides servery lacking fuels etc... yet still fought for YEARS... Germans were literally well under shortage before the war even started.. also not 80%... yes.. people actually dont know this... in ww2.. 80% of germans military was HORSE DRAWN.. only 20% mechanized and still under fuel ...yet fought for years and years... now u think a literally "nation" of nothing butt rational scientists will do worse.. 😂 also that berilium agitator thing... literally stated.. it would solve their massive energy requirement indefinitely.. tbh... they should very capible of just creating via science their own damn super power source... lol

[@skrunklyOwO]

@@InanisNihil learn some english, kid. your grammar is trash.

[@BulletDubz]

They basically have The Terminator!! 😂 that’s why they win! Haha.

[@karene1030]

True.

[@Deveren12]

You mean an army of him dont forget the runners even in game two runners anihlated a whole railroad camp with all the traps even the brotherhood paladins arent taht op

[@rangopistacho6928]

aka coursers

[@tylersoto7465]

If the SS becomes director and produce more synths and upgrade the institute rifle up or take other's energy weapons to use , he will have a formable army at his disposal, if he can hack liberty prime too that will be a great asset to institute to have , and take mechanicist lair and produce hundreds of sentribots and assultrons with lair he can have 2 armies to fight on 2 fronts and push forward with his war, and take the fight to everyone basically, create platoons were a courser lead dozens of synths in each platoon and assault the brotherhood of steel with them, and use the sentribots and assultrons army to attack the railroad, gunners, diamond city, raiders and super mutants in one strong blitzkrieg war SS could rule commonwealth indefinitely and if want to lay seige to Nuka world and load up the the train with sentribots and assultrons to attack the defended walled park he can take that too but reinforce with another group to reinforce cuz there's hundreds of raiders in Nuka world etc and SS can build something out of the commonwealth and the institute can expand onward like to capital wasteland just grab some ships fix them up and take over capital wasteland and etc etc lol, the lone wonderer could take over capital are if want to just use mothership zeta robot assembly plant to mass produce robots and take over the capital area, the courier can take over the Mojave desert if he takes over house's securitron army and take the over the Big Mt roboscorpion army and the giant roboscorpion robot with it's big laser cannon and energy shield he could easily take on the NCR and legion army send the securitron army east against legion and roboscorpions west against NCR and have giant roboscorpion stay near new Vegas for reinsurance and use boomers to airstrike NCR away to and have the power to have a true independent power to himself,the courier, lone wonderer and soul survivor each can have a powerful robot army and be a independent power in each of their area lol 😎

[@chrisriley2321]

To add onto the infiltration point: Glory in the Railroad is a synth she even admits as such. It's a pretty open secret. If someone were to infiltrate with her recall code that's a mini gun welding heavy of the Railroad taken care of. Or if the Institute could figure out how to remotely control synths they could get a bunch in the various factions and control them to turn thier guns on their "comrades". Imagine this: The Institute gets 10 of their gen 3 synths into the Railroad. They are remotely controlled and are programmed to shoot the Railroad on command. They're on a mission with Deacon and Glory when suddenly they shoot the agents in the back or back of the head killing them quickly. Same with the Brotherhood of Steel but on a larger scale. It'd take MUCH longer for them to find enough soldiers AND train them than it would the Institute to make and program them. Then with a single command a platoon (or more) turn on thier fellow soldiers and open fire Elder Maxson would be the Hardest to take out with his power armor and Final Judgement (Gatling laser that shoots faster than even normal gatling lasers)

[@emrik99]

All it would take is to release gen 3 synths with a weaponized contagion.

[@Ro-Ghost]

In a realistic scenario the sole survivor would die to the 1st disease they came across Their immune system wouldn't have adapted to new virus strains I wish the Minutemen could take out the brothrrhood with artillery, but you need x ammount

[@Chuked]

A n t i b i o t i c s

[@subhankarbaral9236]

Male SS can survive, since he was in US army and am definitely sure that he is been vaccinated with some advanced antibiotics to survive in situations if Chinese used bio weapons against US forces(according to Fallout lore, the Chinese were planning to use bio weapons against America and thus led to research of FEV virus). So, Male SS can survive, while survivability of Female SS is next to impossible, thus proving male SS is canon.

[@KrugerTheFox]

Ok then ignore vaults

[@Ro-Ghost]

@@subhankarbaral9236 anti vaccines for disease strains of their time, diseases do evolve

[@Marianne-Bachmeier-Extremist]

How do we know that teleportation on a greater scale is possible? The reason we don't see the institute do it the way you suggested might be because it's very expensive.

[@sanookmakmak]

Atom cats would win.

[@ImOblivious]

Simply broken down: Minutemen: Militia LARPers Railroad: Naive Hippies BoS EC: isolationist hoarders Institute: Technological powerhouse that makes the BoS look like cavemen hitting things with rocks.

[@muffinman5741]

I'm disappointed the game hasn't an option where you choose no faction and end the game only helping yourself.

[@starsnyder3109]

Yay oxhorn credit

[@yabahal-fakher7992]

Stephen Snyder all us oxhorn subs care is that Oxhorn Credit yo

[@duckyconchotheoriginal4896]

Brewserker what are you talking about he has talked about the flaws of bethasda games

[@heretic4036]

That means my main character made love to 2 synths and a robo brain shiiiiiiiiiiiit

[@deltahunter4810]

Heretic Ya sure

[@jjl1979jjl]

The Brotherhood detected the power that the institute used to teleport which is one of the reason they came to the commonwealth. Eventually they would have figured it out, but would it have been in time?

[@joekrafft7125]

the mysterious stranger would beat them all

[@azarzu]

Joe Krafft The mysterious stranger is a synth, a close regarded secret operative of the Institute.

[@joekost1038]

@@azarzu The synths are sterile and a mysterious stranger has a son. So no, it's not a synth.