Fallout: The Board Game - Shut Up & Sit Down Review

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[@InvertedWIng]

To make this game enjoyable, I had to scrounge up some fan-made rules that turned it into a fully cooperative game. Christ, even Bethesda's board games need mods to fix them.

[@UheReasin]

I'm gonna need some aloe for that burn

[@syncmonism]

Maybe if they let a team led by Tim Cain make a stand-alone expansion for it, it will be a masterpiece?

[@nicka.9057]

Obsidian should come in and do it better like they did with Outerworlds

[@chilledgames1348]

Nick A. I was pissed once people started saying outer worlds was better then fallout because it basically was fallout but and then I realised that obsidian were the same guys that made fallout new Vegas so now I’m less pissed

[@juanmarcos7152]

@@chilledgames1348 They also have some key people (including main developers) from cult progenitors fallout 1&2, which makes them infinitely more entitlted than whatever bethesda should ever feel entitled to concerning fallout.

[@jmeister3000]

Something I thought of while watching this - with the quality and variety of components included, you could probably throw out the rules and just use it as components for a homemade Fallout RPG campaign.

[@sigurdbjohansson]

Just what I have been doing!

[@VodkaHellstorm]

That's a good suggestion. I paid a lot of money for this game and there's parts of the design that are just nonsensical, and it was my first foray into any tapletop gaming beyond monopoly. The fact that things stood out to me means I'm sure long-time gamers have massive gripes.

[@adelahogarth2761]

Mage Knight is better value for money, though perhaps not for newbies. Same exploration focus, rpg-like, interesting progressive deckbuilding game.

[@toomanybarts]

I think that’s the only way this is going to work : fan-made rules!

[@Reubel]

For my group of mostly-inexperienced board game players, Mage Knight was indeed intimidating the first few times. But! As long as you are willing to learn and take it slow, it is rewarding.

[@gokid]

New show idea: How to take a broken game and invent new house rules that makes the game sing.

[@CrackerJax]

This game would be ideal to salvage....to help me cry a little less inside. Right away your review was bright and optimistic...and I felt what was about to come :(.... I felt this game was going to have a special place in my heart and on my shelf. Instead I’ve extracted that part of my heart, and is now stored away on my shelf collecting the dust that this game should have for several decades. BUT Wait! Do u think that it is broken enough that it can be mistaken as something resembling a sandbox game!?! That would give me hope for a community to come together to create something that deserves those “special” letters that we all covet. And with prices surely bound to drop harder than (insert witty comment here), maybe I’ll eventually pick up a few copies, and design something special from this wasteland of a game!

[@THAC0MANIC]

you mean like evey single game ever? There has never been a game without some type of bugs. Quit hating.

[@theghosty99]

This is seriously a great idea.

[@THAC0MANIC]

@@kennethfharkin Its not broken a t all though, You have no idea wtf your realy talking about, You know about how the popular option dosnt work for a Legit arguement at all right? You know about how alot of ppl dont realy voice there option becouse idiots like you will point at them and laugh at times right?

[@michaelavanessian8558]

@@THAC0MANIC Yes, all games are buggy. But some are more buggy than others.

[@ithinkitsaurus]

The game plays okay solo, and stops the quest disassociation. But what's the point

[@Mrcool2oo3]

So it’s just as buggy as a Bethesda game.

[@timfurlong1451]

Mrcool2oo3 fallout 2 may have been the most buggy. Still one of my favorites

[@Thor.Jorgensen]

I doubt it. Fallout 2's bugs can be listed in half a piece of A4 paper. Fallout 4 on the other hand.. Oof.. I'm not buying that book. And it's almost twice as long if you buy F4 for PC. If you've got the wrong setup, you may have trouble even getting the game to start. For example, if you have a 120+HZ monitor, then you'll be forced to either set the system refresh rate to 60 or jump a hell of a lot of hoops to make the game functional.

[@johnnygreenface4195]

Fallout 2 without mods is very very buggy. But I love the game none the less

[@yeetleslaw8529]

Don't you trash Bethesda! It's been fixed by the modding community over a month ago. Just download the unofficial patch 2.47 on nexus.

[@yeetleslaw8529]

@Mac Matheson that was the joke

[@NowayintheBackrooms]

And then came the Atomic Bonds expansion, which makes it what it should have been all along...

[@FaeDine]

I've only played this with Atomic Bonds and I can't imagine having any fun playing this competitive. Atomic Bonds making it co-op though seems to completely change this game around!

[@NowayintheBackrooms]

@@FaeDine it really does! The competitive mode is just nonsensical. This expansion breathed life and wonder into the story and actually lets you play the story! I had a neck and neck match with the conga line of enemies as I desperately tried to do an end Game escort mission and literally would have lost the game if it hadn’t worked out in the last turn! It was fantastic. Without this expansion that moment just wouldn’t have been possible

[@nathansurgenor]

"Leave me alone, Dad. I'm speaking truth to power!" XD

[@Phyrexious]

Appreciate the mirror to watch the back. Wish more reviewers did this. It really elevates the whole viewing experience

[@luccagiovani]

I also thought it was a nice touch. I don't know if it 'elevates' the viewing experience, but it really opens up the frame.

[@SpoonyBard88]

The DOOM board game he mentions at the epilogue is quite good, bordering on amazing. It's Imperial Assault's gameplay with all the fluff stripped out. The minis are incredible.

[@anAngryHamster]

It's on brand for modern Fallout that this guy looks like he's about to cry on the thumbnail.

[@seanterry2633]

Matt, you are really good at this. Like, brilliant at it. Hope you know that.

[@fuchila2point0]

Sean Terry 100%

[@jaysherman9138]

"Fallout 2 is one of my favorite games of all time" "I'm not a huge fan of what Fallout is... today" I thought exactly this while starting the video. It hurts a little. Great review Matt

[@mattberry3551]

One thing you didn't mention. As a single player board game it works absolutely fine. They just tried to make it multiplayer. Hopefully the recently announced expansion will fix some of that.

[@RikoJAmado]

Sooo, Single campaign mode is fine but multiplayer server is garbage. :-D

[@benwillems8584]

As a lifelong Fallout player, I thank you for saving me 60 bucks.

[@RadiantSolarWeasel]

I got given this as a gift and ironically the most fun I've had with it was as a single player game! The story deck is a really interesting and cool mechanic when you're the only person investigating it, and the luck factor isn't a huge deal when you aren't trying to race other players for VPs. It's like they did a decent job of porting the idea of the (Bethesda) CRPGs to a board game and then buggered it up by trying to add more players.

[@cantrip7]

RadiantSolarWeasel That makes me interested in seeing a solo review of the game. If anyone reading this can find one, link me!

[@takanu]

The production values on the game are so top-notch, it's a real shame to see that kind of attention to detail end up in a bad game design.

[@markusschmidt9260]

Simply put, the "production value" of this game is zero, because the game play is as bad and uninteresting as described by SU&SD, and a good game is a prerequisition for any "production value" of a board game. How about the "production value" of a speed boat covered in marble and gold, which does not float? I would argue Food Chain Magnate is the better game then Rising Sun or KD:M. But both games have a higher PV. But this, because they still are good games, I like to play. Only under these circumstance, component quality is to be considered into production value. But if you ask me, if FCM or Zombicide has the higher production value, I'd most certainly would go with FCM. These guys put so much thoughts and effort into creating an unique and interesting gaming experience, that it is high to value for itself. I think, you are calling out production value and component quality as synonyms, which they are not. Publishers need to integrate good gameplay into their production prozess, otherwise their doing is void. I occasionally read some people writing: "This game seems to be bad, but I'm backing it on KS just for the amazing minis. I can never understand, why they won't buy some GI Joe action figures instead, if that's all, what they are interesting in. They are actually cheaper and don't need to "float".

[@BloodyFox1]

Played it at Essen last year, and I can only agree with you: I have no idea why this is a competetive game, considering how much the RNG is sometimes stacked against an individual player. I think I dropped from the demo after 40 minutes, because I got crit by a Deathclaw that took 15 out of my 16hp - which might as well just have killed me, considering how hard it is to regain even a single point of health in this game. But after 40 minutes I had already seen how this gameplay concept didn't work out, or at least wasn't for me.

[@iamdeviantomen]

This video is like Cool Ghosts and Shut Up and Sit Down at the same time

[@luiscarlosqg]

Good comment.

[@jonknight4616]

I've seen a lot of up and down opinions on the board game, but overall, locally, the times I have brought this out to play or my friend has, as we both own this game, it has been overall enjoyed (and we both always have a blast playing it, as major Fallout fans.). There are choices you can make, it is not quite as one dimensional as you make it sound. There are often 2-3 questions available to go out, and those can branch out in a number of different directions. You can glimpse what other players are going for and make choices based on that. The dice are fine and I like the system that implements it. The game feels like a Fallout game to me and the spirit of it and the choices you make all work in that context. While I agree the competitive nature of the game is wonky, it's not enough to keep me from enjoying the game. I find the game plays best at 2-3 players. For me, I love Fallout 1, 2, and New Vegas. Fallout 3 is just not very good and the main storyline sucks. 4 is good as a very different permutation of Fallout. I still appreciate it, though, in a different way. As a Fallout fan, I have enjoyed every playthrough of the board game. I'm also not someone who will bring the same game over and over again, as I constantly rotate them out, so when I do play this board game, it remains fresh to me.

[@mikeonan227]

Best game reviewers on the internet. Thanks for saving me $$ SU&SD!

[@tashacraven]

Would be interested to see an updated review with the Atomic bonds mini expansion that makes it cooperative!

[@danatronics9039]

Now I'm wondering, how _would_ one implement an RPG into a board game? How do you make it interesting and exciting without just making it a regular TTRPG with a DM running it? Because it feels like that _could_ be done well theoretically, even if it wasn't here.

[@junebug406]

If I was trying to get a video game player into board games, I'd start with Gloomhaven. With achievements, branching paths, character customization, and even going through old levels to get loot you missed or just get that last 5 exp; I wish I could play it as a video game to get around setup and rules look-ups, even if I had to play solo.

[@sorcesscores5366]

So glad I saw this review. I have a couple buddies that play Merchants & Marauders and I wanted to get something sci-fi (really just not pirates) to try out. Time to dig through this channel's library...

[@petergreg101]

Watching this in spring 2021 means that at the end when Matt invites newcomers to SU+SD one of the video thumbnails he gestures to announced that fun month is over and says NO MORE FUN in angry red letters. Wonderful!

[@TyroKitsune]

The New California expansion saves this game making it actually neat instead. Why? Co-op. You are now an adventuring party can can now wonder around the board to work together instead. Its so, so, so much better! Still flawed but at least you don't have to steal stories from people.

[@princeneumator]

This was very good. I like to see a bad review now and then in order to know what you're comparing the good games to!

[@Vsevolod924]

Two things i can't stop looking on: mirror and godrays on a tree about 11:30

[@erikvale3194]

Thanks for warning me away from this, I was considering saving money for it.

[@GreenEagle34]

It's probably easily one of the worst games I've ever played.. it's a mess

[@beep8771]

I just had a game of 2h and made literally 0 Points (of 8 to win)

[@tysmi04]

Me and three others in Discord played this game together through Tabletop Simulator and we absolutely smashed it out for laughs. We had a great time playing this board game. While it can be frustrating at times, we had more fun poking at each other because they just got closer to a Deathclaw and now they're about to get munched on the next turn alongside a death bot.

[@SariasLullaby]

This game can easily be housruled to be a cooperative game which would make it amazing

[@davidcolby167]

But my question is this... DO YOU LIKE NEW VEGAS?!

[@mydemon]

Waiting for Outer Worlds: the Board Game to fix all this

[@jameswasdin654]

And then watch people complain that the gameplay is simple and there's no point in roleplaying multiple builds. Devil's advocate, I love the Outer Worlds.

[@joeygalateo5246]

@@jameswasdin654 Outer wilds betterrr

[@PacMonster146]

Preston Garvey card should had been attack player with settlement side quests.

[@MrBandicoot66]

I actually experienced one of the problems he talked about, i went on a huge quest line to aquire a set of really good power armor, i had completed everything in that quest line and was on turn away from getting the armor. My friend then killed a robot to complete one of his quests but that also completed my quest thus he got my power armor and i was pissed i spent the entire game rolling bad, so i knew i would not win the game but i at least wanted to have a BA suit of power armor and a super sledge, but due to crappy game mechanics i lost every thing i worked for up untill that point, This game has potentiall but it defenetly needs some work and love to make it enjoyable.

[@Warsonix]

" And here is the thing , Everyone I played with independantly came to the same conclusion , not havin control " It killed me the desire to buy and play

[@diggah]

Congrats SU&SD team. You’ve really upped your game in terms of art direction in this vid. I’m loving the DoF work and lighting in this one and marks a significant upgrade. I look forward to more. ... oh and the content was very helpful and thought provoking too.

[@everdred4]

I got this game for my buddy when it was on sale a few months ago. We played for about 3 hours before I got tired and realized we were supposed to be playing to win. Then I realized I'd already won which was fine with me as it was 4AM. It was really weird to me that a game that felt like a co-op game suddenly ended with me having won without having done any more than my friend. The implementation of the victory points is absolutely horrible. I think it's got potential though, if you just play it like Fallout. Play the game to have fun, ignore the points and the end game conditions and go exploring. The quests are really well implemented imo, as long as you ignore everything that happens after you finish them. I'll also admit to having no idea how the monster spawns were supposed to work. I read that part of the book several times and it just sounded like whenever a monster is killed you spawn a new one except maybe not sometimes?

[@gnetkuji]

On the one hand, yay, you're confirming all of the opinions I held before I clicked on your video and you're even confirming the very powerful suspicion I had that this game was going to suck, but on the other hand... aww man. I kind of wish I'd been wrong about this one. I could have done with a game with Fallout brand recognition to help ease a couple of my non-boardgaming friends into the hobby. A fallout version of snakes and ladders isn't going to cut it.

[@Darthvegeta8000]

Actually it's a pretty good one. A lot of people love it. I tried it and love it. Try it out if ever you have the opportunity.

[@gnetkuji]

Please don't "Um, Actually..." me.

[@keonster]

If lord Guan Yu hates this game, then so will I.

[@joshestes6427]

If you want some fallout flavor, a good game to try out is Leaders of Euphoria, they have items such as a stick of encouragement (a baseball bat), and the game plays in 15 to 20 minutes.

[@Lightyear31]

I agree, I mean I love this channel and I respect their opinions but I personally love this game. I watch these reviews with the mindset of to each his own. Its nice to see that I'm not the only one that loves it

[@Caitlin_TheGreat]

Rewatching this and suddenly dawns on me: this was a thematic testing for that awful Fallout 76. I mean, I agree with Matt that Fallout under Bethesda hasn't been particularly good, but I played the games and enjoyed them more or less despite that. But I think I finally hit the breaking point. Fallout 3 was a neat (though narratively lacking, and with some lackluster interaction choices) diversion. New Vegas was a pretty great alternative (which I quite disliked at first because it had been so incredibly buggy before extensive patches) and the series should not have stayed in Bethesda's hands, because they keep screwing up their own original IP of the Elder Scrolls by doing to it exactly what they've done to Fallout: strip it of its soul and just make a buggy first-person action romp with ever-decreasing dialog/story interaction. And the best question here is: why is it competitive? Playing with friends as a group of interesting characters working together, perhaps each with their own personal quest, would have been the smarter and more interesting approach. But that's the sort of thing you'd expect a game designer to think of, and this was made by business people who dabble in making games simply as a means to make money.

[@giantlobsterboy644]

I deeply appreciate that you guys are not taking cheap jabs at the game (and indirectly and possibly unaware at the designers). That seems to be a trend amongst KZbinrs. Keep doing that...It is far more challenging to resist easy sarcasm and be positive.

[@ryanadams0922]

I feel what he is describing Fallout board game is the same feeling I have with Morrowind 3 every time I hit an enemy it does not go through its judge by a dice

[@PwrSrg]

This review NAILS IT. This is EXACTLY how we felt playing this game for the first time tonight. We were SOOOOO CONFUSED! With EVERYTHING! NOTHING made ANY sense! It was laughable. And it's really unfortunate because we really wanted to like this game. A lot. It looks AmAzInG. But like you said, in practice it's just horrifically awful. And the instructions and rulebooks are even WORSE. Like WAY worse. It also doesn't help that they like to reuse the same symbols for different situations throughout the entire game. Thank you for serving up even more confusion. And 90% of the "mechanics" aren't like ANY other board game mechanics you have ever seen. And after playing it, that's for a REASON. Long story short, after about FIVE HOURS with TWO of us, we finally got the gist of what was going on, and how the game was supposed to be played. And as soon as everything finally clicked, we were both like OOOHHHH KKKAAAAYYYY. I get it! So wait... That's it?? Huh. That's stupid. But apparently the cooperative expansion has a ridiculously high BGG rating, so fingers crossed on our next (and hopefully not LAST) journey through Fallout.

[@Mandrake42]

The fairly cheap expansion Atomic Bonds turns all the whole game and all its scenarios into a co-op "players versus the game" situation which clears up many of the problems. It also ditches the agenda cards for actually goals which are much less logic breaking and confusing. Fallout with Atomic Bonds is how the game should have been released.

[@Pandaman64]

8:20 damn did my man bring up monopoly? Savage.

[@SCYAJ]

Long comment but stay with me: I have followed development of the Fallout board game since it was first officially announced. Once I finally bought it, I was so overwhelmed by the amount of cards, chips, and manuals in the box that I didn't touch it for months. I tried again a while after, but only got as far as painting the miniatures before putting everything away again. Today was my third and final time sitting down, and trying to learn how to play the board game the way it was intended. After rewatching Geek & Sundry's video multiple times I finally thought to myself "why can't I just get the hang of this game"? Luckily I stumbled across your guys' channel and decided screw it. The game can be the foundation for the Fallout game I want, but I'm not gonna sit here and force myself to try and play it as it was intended. Thanks for making an in-depth and honest review of the game. The board game sounds very much like the rest of the franchise: clunky, bloated, but fun if you make your own rules and don't take it too seriously.

[@Oreonis]

You guys should review Guards of Atlantis, great game by a small company that could use some exposure

[@jackjedi811]

I gotta thank you man. I saw this board game at my local comic shop and as an avid fallout fan thought it looked awesome but decided to do some research before buying it sense it costs 50 dollars. I’m glad I did sense I haven’t really gotten in to board games before.

[@EliteC64]

@ 5:27 the insane truth about the boardgame in one sentence.

[@hedgehog3180]

One thing I noticed which is weird is that the world is clearly Fallout 3 set in the capital wasteland but the characters are all from 4 which makes this feel kinda rushed. Like they didn't have enough time to implement the commonwealth from 4 so they just went ahead and used the setting from 3 but then in every way made it look like 4.

[@hubertstefandobroniak217]

Is there any chance for you to review the game with new co-operate expansion?

[@astrophe-cat]

Any update review on the coop variants / expansions?

[@GrapeHate]

This game needs house rules, XCOM needed houserules, RELIC needed house rules. I've long ago accepted that FF's board games seldom have the needed testing put into them.

[@yogyog]

Remember that pitboy mobile game? They could have done something like that. A competitive version of that could have worked so well as a neat little deckbuilder. You don't have to convert the whole of a computer game into a boardgame. It may not be the best option.

[@darrellhanning5068]

Nailed it - right on its pin-shaped head. This game reminds me of something a bunch of ten year-olds got together to make, with great enthusiasm, and their energy just kind of petered out before it all came together. But you know what? A lot of FF games strike me that way.

[@abdiassaavedra8823]

Great job with the Camera work on this one. Simple but your shots were nice and it looks like you’ve upgraded your camera.

[@BBBHuey]

I think a Risk: Fallout game would work better if it was just a map of post-apokalyptic U.S. divided into Commonwealths, with factions fighting to control it; the NCR (blue), the Legion (red), the Brotherhood of Steel (gray), the Enclave (black), the Supermutant Army (green) and the Institute (yellow).

[@ChimeratAlpha]

There is a co-op expansion, now, but I also can't tell why it wasn't in the vanilla game.

[@TheMartinChronicles]

Does the expansion make this worth picking up?

[@ChimeratAlpha]

@@TheMartinChronicles I don't know, unfortunately. Never played, I've just seen a few people play.

[@michaeld.5607]

@@TheMartinChronicles The expansion 'New California' is more of the same (albeit a nice chunk of new things) with 1 co-op mission (which feels a bit gimmicky). However, most of the items are mixed up with the base game so that's a relief. The 'Atomic Bonds' expansion is the big boi though! It makes every mission into a real co-op game with some new mechanics which are not too difficult to learn. For example instead of gaining (random, sometimes) influence, the agenda cards are tossed to the side and introduces new activation cards and creates co-op objectives - AND FAST TRAVELING (GODSEND). I liked the base game with a 6/10 - and this video is a bit too harsh in my opinion (although the randomness is spot-on though!!) My SO hated the game because of it. But now with the expansions (especially Atomic Bonds) I personally up the score to a 7,5/10. Even my SO enjoys it much more now. Yes the expansion Atomic Bonds is a must - but the New California is just extra fluff without Atomic Bonds. So go all in if you want a better game or try to look at some playtroughs with it. Hope this helps ;)

[@TheMartinChronicles]

@@michaeld.5607 yes! Thanks for the info!

[@InShortSight]

Sounds like it perfectly replicates the recent fallout games.

[@AndreTardiff]

good commentary. New HD camera? Actually you might have had this for awhile. I haven't tuned in for a but good video quality and audio! Always a fan of SUSD

[@eierkoek]

if you remove the focus of the agenda cards and try to get the most points first. it becomes a fun relaxed exploration game. i also agree this game is best played with 2. you can play a bit more co-op then. the whole quest system is awesome. although i find it a shame some side quests are present in every scenario. i also haven't by far not finished all the possibilities yet. i would still recommend this game, but mainly for fallout fans. there is something from every falloutgame in this. main or side quest, you will recognise something. arts is amazing and for the rest it all works. add some mood when reading out the quest cards and encounters rly helps to give the adventure some spunk.

[@sirspate]

0:02 OH NO MORE MIRRORS (Is Matt taking the piss after Quintin's last few reviews in the mirrored room..) 1:53 Chair! I can't.. the mirror.. I.. 10:12 A soft romantic filter is best for breaking bad news Seriously though, this was a great review. Your level of craft continues to amaze, Matt. :)

[@gotochurchalready]

Most of this video is mute after they released the atomic bonds upgrade in 2020 which makes it a co-op game now and has addressed pretty much all most peoples complaints about other dynamics

[@odiedodieuk]

I can’t believe it’s not cooperative

[@Edriella]

It is now with expansion "patch" Atomic Bonds.

[@canadianturfsandwich1258]

I love the honesty of your reviews!!

[@TzarinaMystra]

Yeah, if you want an immersive experience that is loads of fun despite a high degree of randomness, I recommend Arabian Nights. It's a delightful choose-your-own-adventure style game that can be enjoyed by newbies and veteran gamers alike.

[@Amdor]

Tbh both me and my friends enjoy this boardgame. Only negative for me is that shared quests too often have one easy option - player can spend 3 turns doing hard quest and suddenly other player does other, easy option.

[@mydemon]

One of the most savage reviews, but very needed. That's the opposite of a gateway game, it puts people off from the hobby. Thank you SUSD!

[@cooperton4949]

Thank you for reviewing this! I love fallout and have been eyeing it, but I was worried it would be... well, basically exactly what you described.

[@shaunmaclennan]

The Atomic Bonds expansion is 100% necessary for this game, which makes it fully cooperative/solo - FF listened to what the community was doing with house rules and fixed most of the problems I feel. So much so that they should make a 2nd edition and just include the atomic bonds rules for free. That said, I still think you need to be a fallout fan to really enjoy it, and also a fan of solo/co-op games - if you are, it might even become your favorite co-op game.

[@dekai7992]

Wow, that was an incredibly entertaining and well-done solo review! Kudos, and thanks so much for the effort!

[@zakuiizaki4938]

Honest Review. Thank you for sharing and reviewing! ^^

[@lllexxlll3600]

They must have realised themselves how stupid the decision was not to make it purely cooperative. So in the first expansion they integrated some scenarios that were co-op. When people complained why they didn't rework the old scenarios and put them in this expansion, they brought out a mini-expansion that ... well... that you can call a patch. A patch that turns the game into what it was always meant to be. Wandering the wasteland together and having fun/exciting adventures. And now it's enjoyable.

[@DaCooGa]

Whenever I bring this game to the table, I always try to mention how it isnt about winning. I’ve found the Fallout board game to be more successful in the journey of playing rather than the destination of winning or losing. I feel that with the expansion, there are way more weapons and perks so you tend to feel more in control unlike what you were saying. So ya, just my thoughts on how this game fails at being a great competitive game, but succeeds at telling fun stories and having a fun rpg like experience. (Also, that sticky predicament of choosing quest choices based on rewards really shouldnt be happening if you dont think of the game as a competition, but rather as a fun rpg experience)

[@Xabrewolf]

Thank you for the review, I feel like I needed someone to express what I was feeling before I could admit I wasn't terribly happy with this game. I love the Fallout universe and had high expectations out of this, but I never felt like I was unrealistic with my expectations. When we play it, it certainly does feel like we're going through the motions, without providing a tremendous amount of influence on the outcome. I am hoping they fix some of the gameplay issues with the expansion, but it sounds like the expansion is just more monsters/areas/scenarios... Which is unfortunate.

[@ichifish]

Excellent review. Surprised that you didn't reference Tales of the Arabian Nights. Just played it for the umpteenth time with a group that has until this point almost exclusively played Scythe. They quite enjoyed it (though it does drag on a bit). TotAN has, imho, the perfect embrace of randomness: the narrative is built solely on the moment to moment gut decisions you make, all of which you have little or no basis for assessing. But when Arabia is beating you down like a petulant beggar and rewarding your buddies like a love-stuck Efreet, you kind of feel like you deserve it. Maybe that's the difference.

[@Spar10Leonidas]

I don't know if you guys take requests at all, but if you do, I'd love to see you guys review The Thing: Infection at Outpost 31.

[@SyntheticParanoia]

2:41 War does not.

[@thomasdepauw]

'The thought of somebody who plays videogames, but doesn't play boardgames and this is the first game they ever try, it kinda breaks my heart'. Well, I'm that guy.. I bought Fallout earlier this week and I still have to play it for the first time, but this review saddens me.. I hope I'll still be able to get SOME fun out of it. I mainly bought it to play with my two sons, aged 8 and 10. I guess we'll have to see, won't we?..

[@DadBodYogaFlow]

Curious if the co-op expansion added what you felt it was missing?

[@The_RetroManiac]

Well, at least we got cool miniatures and novelty dice.

[@DanielRebolloMedia]

Nice review, thanks! Very curious to see what do you think of the card game The Binding of Isaac Four Souls! They are offering the reprint now on Kickstarter, really looking forward to a review of that!

[@axtmann]

The quests and text-filled cards were the main thing attracting me to the game so I'm glad you pointed out that they were a bright point but it also makes me disappointed to hear how they get swept away in all the randomness. I'm curious if the game would work as a co-op? Where players are not constantly stepping on each other.

[@AthexTube]

I was wondering why you were reviewing this game, but I guess it did make sense to review something like this since it wasn't a very good game but could be a first game for people trying out board games.

[@FreeUtobitha]

Not enough Nightkin. 5/10

[@DasReverend]

I picked it up as a solo game and it works quite well as such

[@TheKingofAverage]

I am SO glad this is an honest review of the game. Well done SU&SD. Too many reviewers simply explained the mechanics, leading many to buy into what is a fundamentally broken game. Bought this as a gift for my wife as she loves the IP, but ended up being a dud sadly.

[@hedgehog3180]

It's honestly really jarring how this game mixes the art style and graphics of Fallout 4 with the setting of 3 but then also has some characters from 4? Like if you wanted me to be invested because it was a setting I was familiar with just stick to one.

[@christianmuller1266]

I'd like to see Runebound in a postapocalyptic setting... that would be my Fallout Bordgame

[@pillarnexustheancientgladiator]

I had this, played it solo, got the expansion, played it solo some more, and got rid of it last year. All I want is a good adventure game, one that doesn't require any extra tech and people at the store where I play would be willing to play; I have Outer Rim but my copy hasn't once hit the table outside of my solo plays.

[@fiendishsoul6730]

I made my own house rules to make the game play better, for one when you get a reroll you can keep any results you get and only reroll one or two dice instead of all 3

[@billyspendlove439]

this dice rule is already a rule in the book my friend. But that just goes to show how painful it is reading and retaining all of those rules.

[@TheNucaKola]

“Fallout 2 is my favorite game ever” Ah! I see your a man of taste and culture!

[@kehraus]

The chaos and lack of control really reminded me of the pendulous nature of Arkham Horror, which seems apt since they're both FFG titles.

[@Robubie]

If you want more game recs that are similar to this but good, don't get game recs from the youtube comments, but.... Arcadia Quest is my favorite Competitive Dungeon Crawler, it has dice and randomness but it's fun as hell and easy to play.

[@anthonybernardo696]

I understand that it's not everyone's cup of tea, but there are a couple points that I notice people forgetting which vastly improve the game: 1. Items, Agendas, etc. can be traded. You CAN help struggling players, you CAN wheel and deal with each other. It really adds to the experience. 2. As outlined in the rules, you can make future promises such as "I'll give you my next Agenda card if you trade me your gun." This is crucial to enjoying the game, and can bring about a little more of that roleplay feel to it. Promises like "I'll go get you a beer" are totally legal. 3. Take. Your. Time. This is a game you can power through, but it's best enjoyed in 2-4 hours sessions. Slow down, read the cards out loud. It makes the game way better. I'm not saying it's a great game, but I am saying a few minor rules are kinda key to a more enjoyable experience.

[@solaireofastora186]

Better than 76

[@mectrom]

So it is like Talisman but just with Fallout.

[@paperbeater8938]

I played this with my brother, and it was so confusing that we made up rules or changed rules to just make the game better.

[@skaimmoddingzone2754]

Thanks for the advice ^^ Still wondering if i ll buy this and modify it to make it enjoyable... Maybe with the extension, there is enough materials to do something fun...

[@huathebard]

Is that altiplano box in the background foreshadowing?