Family Ties and Family Lies | E11 E20 | Law & Order

[@melissar4612]

The fact of the matter is, sometimes parents DO have to cut off support for their grown children, if that support is abetting the child's self-destructuve behavior. Ask any family that has had to cut off an addict family member. It's the hardest thing you'll ever do, and also the ONLY thing that you can do.

[@jazmynjohnson1060]

I can attest to this from dealing with an addict family member. Cutting them off and forcing them to seek treatment for themselves was super hard to watch, almost made me want to give in just to not see them suffer. But it was the best decision ever and they are leading a sober life now and independent due to that one very hard decision

[@YolandaAnneBrown95726]

Exactly. Went through that with my late brother. Addiction is a destroyer of families.

[@Caitlynn552]

Same. Had a family member who dealt with drug and alcohol addiction. Their destructive behavior eventually led to their child also getting into drugs as a teen. Many years later, they're both recovering and leading fulfilling lives, helping others out of their destructive paths.

[@TititoDeBologay]

Facts!

[@yucol5661]

@@jazmynjohnson1060is that relay cutting them off? Doesn’t that mean cutting them from the family and never talking to or with them again? Or is it cutting the flow of money that the saying means?

[@Locktwiste72]

The actress who plays the victim`s sister later appeared as a regular on LAW & ORDER: CRIMINAL INTENT as one of the senior detectives.

[@a.e.jabbour5003]

Yeah! Julianne Nicholson. I loved Wheeler! :)

[@javierpatag3609]

The Law & Order shows are pretty much a Who's Who of future TV and film greats. So many great actors before they made it big were guests in the series.

[@andrewyoung2796]

Am i allowed to say i find her beautiful. I was addicted to. Goren

[@gbonkers666]

@@a.e.jabbour5003 Beautiful woman!

[@doyltruddy902]

she's so hot, or well she was. this was like 30 years ago

[@DaneOrschlovsky]

I feel like the editing team took 45 minutes and made it 12, excellent work 👌

[@okenwa1983]

Feel like? That's exactly what they did.

[@Beefer-e4j]

That’s- that’s what they did

[@georgelane6350]

Completely agree, it's impressive to retain the full story chopping it down this far!

[@jamesonm.7925]

That's because the actual show sucks.

[@Carolyn-qd8mj]

@@jamesonm.7925 I always liked it.

[@dianagonsalves]

When a son points a gun to his head thats when you tell your son sorry and that you love him and have always loved him. Children need that connection and approval...

[@lizziebkennedy7505]

People don’t become addicted for nothing. Childhood trauma, even garden variety, plays a big role. Chances are he’ll be wanting to know where that love was when he needed it. Be very careful with this.

[@XSilver_WaterX]

@@lizziebkennedy7505 Sad to say, but when your rich and connected to the big wigs, all that love is used rags, throwable and changeable. You want love, you got to earn it and make it in the Army! Loyalty to a country is the new love we live in now.

[@rickraber1249]

AND you reach for the gun to stop him from shooting himself! When the kid's about to pull the trigger is NOT the time to start an apology! I also didn't see anything the father needed to apolgize for - they gave him money right up until it was obvious it wasn't helping. And then the kid's mature response was hate and blackmail?

[@angelaramirez819]

But he wasn’t a child, just another rich brat

[@KhaosChilde97]

@@rickraber1249…having an excessive amount of money and ‘resources’ to lead a ‘successful’ life isnt all a child needs to grow into a stable, confident and happy adult.

[@sylviabanks7700]

The woman that played the Scott’s mom is amazing! I felt her pain and anger. So good!

[@mikebt2000]

I keep thinking that I've seen her in similar roles in other episodes of Law and Order.

[@jaimeduncan6167]

Yes. Maybe the mother is the source of the problem: by never accepting the child's responsibility she teaches him to never do. As someone who has helped drug addicts (we have a group that helps people financially), I don't know how many times the psychologist has told us to stop being an enabler. The mother never accepted that the child had responsibilities, blaming the father and the cosmos and the child learned from her that he was not responsible and decided to become a criminal.

[@andrewwang8615]

I kept expecting a final twist, like she's really his daughter, and Scott wasn't his son.

[@ameliarose47]

Dude I was also expecting that to happen

[@rickraber1249]

That woman was wrong in saying they gave up the right to call him their son. When you have a child who goes off the rails, there are times when you have to let go of them - or kick them out, deny them bail money, refuse to take their abuse. Otherwise, it's just enabling, which doesn't help anybody, especially them. A child reaches an age when they're making their own decisions and you can't change that. You can only decide to go along with their destructiveness, or back away, and hope they eventually grow up. I once heard a wise counsellor say that you can't allow one member of a family to destroy the whole unit.

[@Tyler-he4pf]

I’d say he gave up the right to call him his son when he left him on the street for anyone to find his body. It’s his word against a dead man. Sure it would’ve been a fight to prove his innocence but a good lawyer could argue that his son committed Su*cide to spite the father.

[@Book_Dragon2562]

Abandonment is not love.

[@TheresFuckeryAfoot]

@@Book_Dragon2562… healthy boundaries is not abandonment

[@HardcoreLevelingBaka]

@@Book_Dragon2562I know of a girl who made a false assault allegation against her father because her parents grounded her, her father was arrested and lost his job, her mother who was a teacher was at risk of losing her career because she didn’t report the abuse (abuse that never actually happened) The daughter felt absolutely no remorse for ruining her parents reputations, so they made the decision to cut her off and send her to live with her grandmother . Kids can’t just do whatever they want and expect their parents to protect them, you can’t enable that type of behavior.

[@isthatmysatay]

​@@HardcoreLevelingBakathat is the problem....americans think grounding their kids is sufficient punishment😂😂😂😂

[@Zak6959]

And then the sister grew up to be a police officer on another law and order if I recall.

[@Deborahtunes]

'L&O Criminal Intent' series...

[@sanedcab1Mexico]

She became Logan's partner!

[@ChrisCosat]

Oh yes. I forgot.

[@vicj9256]

Detective Megan Wheeler, 24 episodes according to IMDb, and a 5 episode Law and Order miniseries.

[@redrackham6812]

She said she realized it was time to get on with her life.

[@NinetailsYoda01]

I always felt for the dad he tried to give his son the tools to be successful and he wasted it but blamed the dad for his actions and so did the mom which is probably why the son turned out the way he did.

[@lizziebkennedy7505]

Tools for success? What about tools for emotional intelligence, fulfilment, how to manage anger. Too few parents are held accountable for their failure to prepare young ppl via character and the deepest aspects of life. Deadbeat dads come in all income brackets.

[@joshandabradford8749]

​@@lizziebkennedy7505💯

[@rickraber1249]

The things you describe ARE tools for success - in life. I didn't see any evidence that the father failed the son. I would say the mother did, if she was making excuses for his bad decisions. @@lizziebkennedy7505

[@Ashbrash1998]

How could the dad teach what he didn't have? Empathy or morals? He was a liar and wanted an innocent girl to take the fall

[@Midnight0Mistress]

Even the langage shows that the dad was very self-absorbed.

[@deniseball7764]

At 8 years of age she the child could have accepted whatever was said - the mother didn't want to admit her background and even in the intervening years never told her the truth ....... started off the destruction

[@davidshelton7208]

Now that’s how you make an episode 12 minutes.

[@im_flat]

The editing in the beginning as the Detectives were looking for leads was great.

[@p_b2222]

This episode was tough, because it was just tragic all around. From the parents having to see their son go through addiction, to the woman desperately trying to find her Dad and any other family,, to the Dad having to live with the burden of seeing his son commit. It's really sad

[@cche16]

the dad made everything worse by leaving him there and pretending not to know anything. he should've just reported it as soon as it happened. the affair never would've been exposed and he could've told the police exactly what happened. he probably wouldn't have been charged or received a small punishment for accidental death.

[@uncletaylorify]

I was thinking the same thing. Why hide it if you had nothing to do with it?

[@bartvance8805]

Don't forget it was WRITTEN to make the father out to be the bad guy, even thought the evidence show he wasn't.

[@dgvanz1155]

​@@uncletaylorifyReally bad lawyer advice.

[@gentle846]

@@uncletaylorify guilty and unwillingness to accept responsibility that he was partly response for the sons suicidal thoughts and actions

[@jaynehogue2459]

He isn't her father so stop blaming men for what women do wrong. Extortion is illegal and immoral and not a good look

[@beautifuldreamer7204]

Even though it would've destroyed her at the time, her mother really should've told her the truth about Peter not being the father

[@richardlug6139]

I thought she said that she did not know for sure who the father was since she was with other men at the same time she was with Peter.

[@pixie_the_rabbit6833]

@@richardlug6139 She also quite happily accepted money from him, knowing that the chances of him being the father was slim. Possible, but slim. She had been run through by so many guys, she had no idea who the father was. She could so easily have done the swab and submitted it to force paternity and COCS--and her young daughter would not have been the wiser. But she knew that he probably was NOT the biological father and didn't want to lose the voluntary money she had been getting. She was thinking that this schmuck had the money and the motivation to keep giving her money, whereas the other losers did not.

[@krisaaron5771]

Parents who exhibit destructive behavior shouldn't be surprised when their children mirror the same behaviors! My mother remained in a verbally abusive, emotionally violent relationship with my father for 50+ years. Neither of my parents could understand why I picked men who were just like dear old Dad and became as venomous as Mom, when Dad wasn't around to hear her explode in rage. Too often we marry what we know, and who do we know more about than the people who raised us? I was a lonely, angry kid who believed she was the worst person on earth. If illegal drugs had been a big deal back then I probably would have taken them.

[@francostevo9939]

I fail to understand why people choose specific partners of how they grew up with that kind of figure they grew up around or why behavior had to be mirror such actions. As someone who was abused, I don’t abuse women or slap them around.

[@antmagor]

@@francostevo9939 that’s one of two ways that it can go. Some see their parents behavior and vow to be better. others see the hypocrisy of the parents and figure well the parents don’t care why should I. Mind you it doesn’t excuse their behavior, those individuals have to take responsibility at some point. Nobody suggesting these parents exonerate the bad behavior of the children, merely that they’re culpable.

[@krisaaron5771]

@@francostevo9939 I don't know why we marry what we know, only that so many of us do. Good on you for not passing on what you learned as a child to your own children!! I tried to do the opposite (of what my mother did to me) to my own kids, but too many times I slipped back into abusive behavior. I've never forgiven myself for doing that & will carry the shame to my grave.

[@jaimeduncan6167]

Yes, but this doesn't seem to be the case. Neither parent was abusive. The father decided to stop being an enabler. The mother find everybody responsible but the child who became a criminal man. If she had told to him: "it's not your father it's you" the child would be alive.

[@TheresFuckeryAfoot]

Parents were also once children who viewed their parent’s behaviors and those parents were once children who were affected by their parents and so on for millennia. You can keep blaming them or you can acknowledge where the patterns came from And also accept responsibility for yourself & learn to choose differently.

[@RocketRoketto]

Alana's sarcastic face is the best 😂

[@laksitamochtar]

This is the kind of editing we loveee🎉

[@hazeleyees]

Genealogy can be complicated.

[@deepdays9068]

But they’re just blue quality pants 👖

[@hazeleyees]

@@deepdays9068 😂👍

[@rhuephus]

or lack thereof

[@Jamiesonlindley]

I feel like that brother and sister reveal was under duress or whatever. They’re both yelling at her and not allowing her to answer questions until she’s in hysterics. Surely that’s not good.

[@tifadreamers]

that part bothered me the most. was it really necessary to keep yelling at her like that? she wasn't even a suspect. sometimes they overdramatize these things when if you compare them to crime documentaries shared on YT, this kind of yelling isn't going to get you anywhere. it seems more like they're coercing her into saying "okay I did it"

[@obliviouz]

@@tifadreamersUh, no she absolutely was a suspect. They thought she killed him because they had an argument about her getting an abortion.

[@lyndalamb3221]

These cops were really mean in the way they talked to his "sister".

[@LAKnightAuthor]

Cops are always either cruel & vicious or manipulative & cruel.

[@TheSDB13]

Hey it's Detective Megan Wheeler from Criminal Intent

[@Melina-fi3sc]

The daughter that was being interrogated was a detective on Law & Order: Criminal Intent 😂😂😂

[@JeremyRobbins-h7m]

Yes she was... A fire 🔥 actress 👍

[@andromedafan]

Also a lawyer on Ally McBeal.

[@MrGabeanator]

Not the last time that actor would play a crazy father on this show

[@TheKrispyfort]

Don't lie to your kids about who sired them. It's a stupid move. If you don't know or are unsure just fess up. Mandatory paternity DNA testing at birth on the public purse. All affected parties involved have the right to that peace of mind. Men listed as "father" on the birth certificate should be allowed to obtain a paternity test without the mother's knowledge let alone consent.

[@krystalk8105]

Parent issues really mess ppl up… geesh

[@Deborahtunes]

I forgot about that little twist at 5:09...

[@lizziemckee3204]

The lawyer for the dad is the baker in the original cast of into the woods on Broadway

[@shayd1984triton]

Who is the actress who played the mother of this murder victim? She played other characters on the show.

[@RebekahCurielAlessi]

Deirdre O'Connell I think...

[@fromthehaven94]

Many guest performers and a few regulars have played multiple roles within the L&O universe.

[@RSOFT92]

FYI: The Sister (Jessie Lucas) is played by Julianne Nicholson. She also played "Kat" in "Storm of the Century" (by Stephen King), which is where i recognised here from. Some might also now her as "Esther Randolph" from Boardwalk Empire.

[@joymcclendon7525]

She was also in, Osage County, with Julia Roberts. ☮️

[@RSOFT92]

@@joymcclendon7525 Together with the great Meryl Streep (also played in "The Devil Wears Prada").

[@shahrimahmad1772]

Sure she was great in Osage County but check out her performance in Flannel Pajamas. You can thank me later.

[@moniqueuu8777]

And a detective on Law and Order: Criminal Intent.

[@shawnuel]

@@moniqueuu8777 Yup. The L&O people must have liked her guest spots. Julianne also played Marilyn Monroe's mother in last year's, Blonde

[@SalznPfeffer658]

Rude flatmate, taking $ to pay the rent then kicking him out. Hypocrite

[@myownlilbubble]

If the roommate had been covering the victim's share for a couple of months.......she have every right...

[@SalznPfeffer658]

​@@myownlilbubblewas that the actual case in the episode? If not, still a hypocrite.

[@TheBatugan77]

​@@SalznPfeffer658 Wrong.

[@SalznPfeffer658]

@@TheBatugan77 nah. I'm right.

[@bluecollarlit]

Nice dog picture. I like how English people call an apartment a flat.

[@teodorusdikypermadi]

A liar father and ties up in one case are bad combination

[@andrewyoung2796]

A nod to Anatomy of a murder Barney quill was what? My father

[@TheMan750]

3:06 Lenny sure does

[@jexelbur6872]

For such a laid back guy, he carries a lot of grief.

[@marianaguardiaa.k.amariana4780]

​@@jexelbur6872Yeep, he was redempting about his mistakes

[@bailysbeads2057]

It's Detective Wheeler.

[@sistakia33]

The mother should have told the truth in the beginning! Okay, maybe you can’t tell an eight year old, but by age twelve she is old enough to know the truth! I spent my entire life looking for my father because my mother couldn’t or wouldn’t tell me the truth. 😢

[@andrewenserro3185]

So was it the father that killed him or did the victim commit suicide?

[@gabrielbecze5753]

There was a struggle, the father tried to wrestle the gun away from his son and it went off.

[@asecretone]

Yes.

[@houndsofvalor]

I still don’t believe the father in this clip. Is that really what happened? “The gun went off twice.” Wasn’t it a revolver?

[@dryb3301]

Guns usually go off "twice" "accidentally"

[@derrickcox7761]

@@houndsofvalor the script was a lie.

[@kylewilson2819]

This show has some SERIOUSLY messed up morals. If a Parent’s support is keeping their child addicted or is keeping them from becoming their own person, they are OBLIGATED to cut that support off. So no, the father was NOT in the wrong. The mother was enabling her son and is far more responsible for his death than his father was.

[@Ashbrash1998]

And yet the father lied and was willing to let someone else take the fall

[@tifadreamers]

father still lied. neither parent was in the right.

[@Book_Dragon2562]

There is a line between not enabling and full on abandonment. He crossed that line.

[@pixie_the_rabbit6833]

@@Book_Dragon2562 You can't help people, who don't want to be helped. Dad could not help him. He had tried repeatedly to help his son. The son was going to end up dead one way or another.

[@pixie_the_rabbit6833]

Dad should have come clean about the affair ages ago. He was NOT the girl's biological father, but he should have told his wife. That said, Mom was WRONG. They both loved their son and had tried repeatedly to help him. What they refused to do was to keep enabling behavior that would destroy him. The son REFUSED TO BE HELPED! He was, in fact, a criminal, who killed himself. He would have ended up dead, even if his father had cleared up the paternity and had been honest with his wife and son. The girl's mother is also a CRIMINAL. She and other women like her, who lie about paternity should be prosecuted and punished. Her daughter KNOWINGLY LIED AND BLACKMAILED that man. She definitely should get a little time for that.

[@user-sy6fj2bm1z]

There’s helping and there’s enabling. There’s a difference.

[@bartvance8805]

The father was being the best father he could be when he cut him off. Aiding and abetting a self-destructive habit is no solution. They have to want to change and that usually means after they hit a low point, and then do the work in rehabilitation. the father here is a saint, the mother couldn't stop mothering a physically grown man. A tragedy all around, but the father was right at every stage of this drama.

[@Ashbrash1998]

Was he? I mean considering how the son turned out and hiw he had an affair, believed he had a daughter, then magically the gun went off twice killed his son?

[@deborahpolk1854]

Julianne nicholson sister, mother played by Deirde O'Connell

[@marianaguardiaa.k.amariana4780]

Everything getting very fishy in this case

[@voxorox]

Objection. Leading the witness.

[@Egilhelmson]

Police during interrogation have the right to lead witnesses.

[@a.e.jabbour5003]

Always one of my favorite episodes. So many twists and turns, so emotional, so intense. Just a top shelf episode all around.

[@FullTimePatient37]

I'm watching but I don't understand anything.. anybody else?

[@pixie_the_rabbit6833]

Dad had banged that girl's mother years ago. The girl's mother had been through by so many men that she had no clue who the father was. One day, she saw his photo in the newspaper, and the girl (8 at the time) saw her looking intently at the photo; so the girl asked, "Is that my father." Mom told her it was. Mom also got the brilliant idea to ask that guy for hush money, which he did provide as he was able. Mom knew chances were slim that he was the father, so she never pursued getting the DNA test. Why risk losing that money? The girl grew up and tried to contact the man. She was able then to contact the guy's son. The girl and the guy's son (who hated his dad) did a paternity test using the son's DNA. IT WAS NOT A MATCH. Guy was NOT the father; but the man's son and the girl hatched a plot to BLACKMAIL HIM, because he guy didn't know about the paternity test. When the man showed up, I think he somehow figured out that she wasn't his child and that it was a shakedown. The son then put a gun to his own head. The man tried to stop him, but failed. THE MAN HAD LOVED HIS SON, BUT COULD NOT SAVE HIM. Not through his many attempts to help him previously, and NOT WHEN HE KILLED HIMSELF.

[@tbam73]

I wish she was this good on Criminal Intent

[@dragonzord18]

Thought she was good, especially having Chris Noth as her partner

[@TheMan750]

@@dragonzord18 I thought she was good too, gave balanced out Logan’s character, and she’s was the more serious one between her and Nichols

[@joshandabradford8749]

Lol..she's alright

[@derrickcox7761]

Police must contain their emotions...or quit.

[@juandeluna-f6n]

Having money can really go a long way when mistakes is concerned. They can afford it, poor people cannot.

[@tbam73]

Carmichael eye rolled the entire time on the show, bahaaaa

[@Mugiwara2k]

I like Angie Harmon as an actress but I hated her character on this show, easily my least favorite ADA. She was just way too b*tchy and mean.

[@bluecollarlit]

I was just noticing that she seems supercilious and smug. And I was thinking the actress herself! - haha - but maybe I have her mixed up with her character...

[@jaushabakkas8127]

No you would not understand, He and I is brother and sister, well lady, why you didn't tell that right away? what's up with all this lies and avoid to answer

[@trevormillar1576]

He's my brothet. Not my lover!" Guess she's not from the South, then.

[@Forensource]

Me and Julio down by the school yard.

[@bluecollarlit]

I love that song. Paul Simon is great.

[@Harry-bn5mp]

Is not that the girl who plays princess Margaret?

[@jaciriley123]

No not her

[@bitterbeauty711]

Julianne Nichols. Loved her in Mare of Easttown

[@YeshuaKingMessiah]

Gave up that right?? No, ma’am; u did. By wanting to continue aiding n abetting him in his problems. A parent quickly cuts the source feeding the harm to their child.

[@heidiq9520]

Her mother’s fault was sleeping around and getting pregnant and then lying about the father .. made her child grow up having mental issues !!!

[@capers72424]

Her father slept around, too, while a married man. That screws a kid up, too.

[@fouadal-saied9483]

Dont remember you 💙💯 💙

[@swastikausa]

julianne is so beautiful. jonathan cake is a lucky man.

[@Mageroth]

Girl really needed her Daddy!

[@lctamoya]

Wicked man

[@arielg7000]

😢😢😢😢😢😢

[@ladyweasellou3367]

NEVER EVER enable an adult (child, grand child, siblings, etc) because it is best for the rest of the family and will escalate/help the person in bad situation.

[@GlennAustin829]

That guy ginger looked like Seth green and chuck Norris had a baby

[@RocketRoketto]

The makeup on the short haireed redhead in the restaurant is not it

[@lakeyakeo8503]

🥰❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️🥰🥰❤️

[@cathylanders6377]

😢

[@jameshay4589]

TW: dizziness

[@joshuaengleman1131]

# 328!!!! WHOOOOOOO.... DOGGY!!!! 🤘🤘🤘🤘

[@emilythomson418]

Is the daughter Brianna chicken fry in a wig ?

[@kyleoneil3782]

Steve i love you so much are think about lol if we have the world to this morning i love is beautiful and good for me too buut i am so happy pround and like that willing heart questions ⁉️ and good marry me together date me 💞

[@romelladasratt888]

Sesame Street precinct

[@allanfifield8256]

Wishy Washy Liberalism

[@Igarappappa]

Okay?

[@riley9031]

wah wah wah

[@carolinebcollier]

Boring, judgmental conservatism.

[@lizziebkennedy7505]

Do you need a wahmbulance, darling?

[@phuckerpower]

Wha-... what? 😂

[@Anonymous-xk2hg]

I notice that in the comments no one is holding the girls mother accountable for lying to her daughter! There are a lot of people that hate their fathers who are actually not their fathers at all! # mandatory DNA TEST AT BIRTH!

[@MsLogjam]

And mandatory parenting classes beginning in junior high. A boy who's had to change a few diapers is less likely to complain about using a condom. Funny, this happened to Bill Cosby as well. In his case the girl hit him up for money right after his son was killed back in the nineties. She thought hush money would be quickly forthcoming but he was so grief-stricken over his son that he didn't care what people said and he helped law enforcement set up a sting operation to arrest her.

[@TheKrispyfort]

Agree. Mandatory parental DNA testing at birth and paid for by the public purse

[@RickField-u5e]

So the Father Marvin Gayed his own Son.

[@Anonymous-xk2hg]

Update, where are all the feminist! No one is holding the mom accountable, SHE LIED, PLAIN AND SIMPLE!

[@davidhoward4715]

You do know this is fiction, right?

[@TheKrispyfort]

​@@davidhoward4715you do know that the stories are inspired by actual events. Paternity fraud is a serious issue

[@isthatmysatay]

An angry BO smelling lesbo must have rej3cted you😂😂😂😂