Famous Korg Triton Presets\Sounds Used in Hip Hop! The Neptunes VST

A video about the famous sound or presets used in hip hop featuring the Neptunes. I'm using the Korg Triton VST plugin. The Neptunes produced more than 97% of in the late 1990s to the early 2000s using this legendary keyboard! Their iconic sound was powered by the Triton. However they weren't the only people using it. Which producer do you want me to cover next? Dr. Dre, Scott Scortch, DJ Toomp, Dark Child, Bryan Micheal Cox, etc.? Let me know in the comments!
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[@BMUSIK101]

The fact that they used only the triton and made so many classic with limited amount of sounds.....producers nowadays have access to hundreds thousands of sounds and all they shit sound the same. Neptune’s forever the goat.

[@jamesjr2550]

Sad truth 😔😔 not go lie I'm a lil guilty of this but still have my own sound

[@infin8wave210]

Facts! I was an early 00's producer we were limited to what we can afford and made better sounding music than todays trash lol

[@theandroids]

EXACTLY zero innovation just imitation.

[@JayOneAlumni]

Not to be an ass cos I hope I don't come off that way but they had a shit load of sounds.

[@Craftmaster3]

Bro all the neptunes shit sounded the same lol. What made the beats stand out was the rappers performances and the Pharell hooks

[@crums2brikks]

I cried tears of joy when this plug-in dropped. I’m a Triton boy from 2001

[@MrScrooge1980]

Its most definitely 🔥

[@techbit7607]

The japanese are geniuses, they helped hip-hop producers by gifting them quality sounds through the keyboard. I pulled out my old 1990 yamaha psr 60 and reproduced Jagged Edge Promise with the epiano and stock pre-programmed drums.

[@techbit7607]

@Second Wizardship-hop in the 2000s.moved towards the keyboard sound, the Neptune's, Timbaland, Scott storch, the runners, JR Rotem, Ryan Leslie etc

[@tumishomogano1574]

Factz

[@dmetriusmarch]

@@techbit7607 don’t forget darkchid

[@techbit7607]

@@dmetriusmarch Let's not forget about Rodney!!

[@Flugamefilm]

These are the sounds we grew up hearing. We all need this vst. Start with this, add some omnisphere, a dope drumkit and you're gonna make a hit.

[@gearup2967]

Keeps crashing i cant trust using it

[@nicholasmarch3286]

@@gearup2967 you must have a cracked version 😂

[@gearup2967]

@@nicholasmarch3286my pc is trash aswell lol

[@wm1573]

@@nicholasmarch3286 imagine paying for omnisphere. I got the latest version with keyscape included. EZ clap

[@kingleo9981]

@@wm1573 where tho

[@AveMcree]

I seen that my Korg Triton VST review did very well. So I thought about doing this for a few videos until every producer is covered. Let me know who I should cover next?

[@AveMcree]

here's the Neptunes drums drive.google.com/open?id=1zgplPvUlVYLJJqZxVdJmwoYDUm5SwZtw

[@Rnb24565]

Thanks👍😀

[@citizencain01]

Great video! Wanted a Triton so bad back then but could only afford an Ensoniq ASR-X. How about doing Swizz Beatz next.

[@BLIVBEATS]

Timbaland or Storch!! Pleeeeease. Bro, you literally just sold this to me. I've been on the fence for a couple days, because I'm having an issue getting the demo downloaded for whatever reason. But this is the walkthrough I needed. Too bad Korg doesn't give you an affiliate link

[@slapopimp]

Man... thanks for posting that Nep kit... Subbed for that alone!

[@AT-eh2eo]

I was gifted, I repeat, GIFTED a Triton studio 88. It sat in the corner for a few years before I finally understood the POWER of this monster.

[@wrldonwill]

Damn, Pharrell and 'em smutted the Triton out. Never knew they even used the drum sounds too. Great video!

[@lotdproduction]

haha

[@1vaoracle]

They also killed the roland xp60 sounds too

[@TheyCSmith]

lmaoooooooooo to the point nobody else could use it

[@davidlynch6878]

It was a great time for hip hop. There was the Neptunes production, Dr. Dre released the second chronic and then there was the emergence of Kanye.

[@AveMcree]

David Lynch factual

[@TheShadowless]

Don’t forget producers like Timbaland and Scott Storch reaching their peaks around that time

[@r0conscious]

@@TheShadowless man do I miss those days

[@MrScrooge1980]

The Triton was all over 2001

[@thedon2703]

Timbo the King

[@marcusturner142]

Triton came out when I was in high school. I remember those bus rides to Guitar Center to go make beats on it and dream! Beautiful workstation, so many hits!

[@thedon2703]

Me too!!! They couldn't get rid of me. I had floppy disks on deck.

[@WithOutNoDJPodcast]

I'm mind blown. I'm a huge Neptunes fan and this is wild.

[@lowlowseesee]

word up lol, i never thought they got it from the triton but this is dope

[@OfficialTravvyTrav]

702 I still love you strings hit me right in the heart

[@saeedmorley7594]

Immortal sound! Thought I was the only one

[@lostecosse6231]

Agreed brother

[@onekeiway]

We are not alone! And that cowbell 🙌🏾

[@ryde2012]

Still got my triton I’ll never get rid of it🔥

[@DJLadyDior]

Soon as you played “Dynamic E Guitar” I instantly heard “We Thuggin” by Fat Joe & R-Kelly. Neptunes didnt produce that, but that’s definitely the sound the producer used. Pharrell & Chad are definitely my top 5 music producers ever so I smiled throughout this whole video. Great content. Forsurely gettin this VST later & making some magic 👌🏼

[@filthmusic]

I remember a time where everybody was over the Triton sound but there wasnt alot of competitors quality wise beside the xv 5080. Then the motif and fantom came out. That's really when mutisampled instruments became dope.

[@trevorarjune3823]

The Korg Triton Extreme was the epicentre of a lot of classic Neptune’s production. So grateful to own one, I use it all the time in my productions.

[@thedon2703]

It had that tube on it to fatten the sounds. Amazing.

[@eargazm2102]

That Usher You don’t have to call joint was 🔥 VA baby

[@r0conscious]

I used to listen to that soooo much back then, including the instrumental version

[@saiahbuul]

let’s just say the acro strings made me completely fall in love w the neptune sound / made me a fan forever ngl

[@DeeJayAARonYT]

legendary keyboard brought to the digital world! I feel like these classic sounds will be used in a lot of hits in the new "roaring 20's" lol; with all of the early 2000's nostalgia rolling back around

[@RepublicAllegiance]

When I was a student at Hampton U (99-04)my roommate earned a residency at Hoovercraft Studios (the Neptunes) and it was a blast. Neptunes were cleanin up the award ceremonies. I especially loved how down to earth everyone there was. #Neptunesfan

[@AveMcree]

RepublicAllegiance thanks for sharing that story

[@boogiefunkproductions2368]

Funny how the Triton basically is that "Neptunes Sound", but I think they could have made dope beats on pots n pans and using a toy piano. The difference between a lot of producers today and The Neptunes might be the fact that they met in band class in school. Meaning they knew how to play instruments as opposed to using a mouse for making beats. That's not meant to sound disrespectful because honestly some of the stuff producers have made using just a mouse is incredible. Still, It's always good to improve your ability by taking some time to learn music theory and even get some basic knowledge of playing an instrument. If everyone keeps on just cut and pasting chord progressions they download from the internet everything is bound to sound the same. Sad thinking in the future most people making music might not even know how to play an instrument. Plus beat-selling websites want you to download like 3 tracks daily to get any type of promotion so you end up racking out a lot of garbage beats just to meet a quota. When you gotta pay rent you have no choice if this is how you make a living.

[@prodcozybru]

chicken nuggets

[@NobodyImportant-ef3de]

Everyone used the triton then. If you look at any producer from heatmakers to swizz or someone they used it. I produce on the triton. My friend did a song for Beyonce on his triton. Then it was basically triton, mpc, pro tools, asr 10 etc Later came fantom, motif

[@Crowbar11115]

I worked at a Sam Ash Music store at the height of The Triton. It was way too much fun! EVERYONE was playing that Synth. Dudes that worked in the Brass and Woodwind department spent time in the Keyboard department, the Cashiers spent time in Keyboards, Drums dudes spent time in Keyboards. People would come in off the streets and make some absolute bangers on that Synth almost daily. I used to close out the Cash Registers then head over to Keyboards and jam with the damn Managers! Haha.

[@thundorkat]

Came back to put this out there: EEC Groove is a close relative sawtooth synth for the "Milkshake" lead. Drums are in percussion kit. Remade the whole arrangement. So glad this was released.

[@JLBREMER]

The reason why I bought the Korg Triton LE back in 2003. Went into the music store to see which one I wanted (Motif or Triton) when I found the grindin drums that’s what sold me on the Triton.

[@Niggalodeon323]

Pharrell is the 🐐 & Grindin’ is one of the hardest songs of all time...don’t @ me 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@r0conscious]

Don't sleep on Chad bro

[@darrenhirst9900]

@@r0conscious They both a good team.

[@Supremeteamcaptain]

I have a Triton Rack with the floppy drive replaced with USB. Best $500 I ever spent, I will never get rid of it. I love it so much

[@solaariz]

I believe the Neptunes were actually using a Trinity for a lot of those hits. They did use the Triton a lot as well but a lot of those were on the Trinity like the Grindin beat. I recall Pharell doing an interview where he was asked about what filters he used for the drums on Busta "Light yo a.. on fire" and he said they were just stock Trinity sounds. Most of those sounds were transferred to the Trinity but as a previous owner of both synths, I feel the Trinity sound engine was superior to the Triton's. I think Kelis' hard to find 2nd album Wonderland was primarily the Trinity and the 01W. I may be mistaken but I do know they were heavy Trinity users.

[@eman0828]

I mean they are sort of the same thing as the Triton is just an updated version of the Trinity keyboard as many of the same sounds carried over. They do have a slight different sound because of the converters and filters. But most of the strings patches and everything are the same.

[@eargazm2102]

I had the Triton rack mount when everyone had the keyboard.

[@pxman1946]

i STILLDO !

[@YoungBlaze]

you fancy !

[@tcr333]

That harmonica patch is the sound I've been looking. Next sale (hopefully easter) I'm buying this and omnisphere and my vst library will be complete

[@Uchawibeatz]

I feel like a kid in a candy store watching this video. I might get this too to mess around with it.

[@donaldwilson1819]

Man, having mad flashbacks. Loved the Neptunes and my favorite keyboard of all time.

[@itswiz4785]

We need the Motif VST now.

[@dachucktaylor1]

Tons of early 2000's r&b was created off that keyboard.

[@Ryanthemusician]

The Motif is my shit. i promise you lol

[@dr.strawberry5773]

its very findable in one shot form tbh. i know its not the same. but still!

[@traxxlamarion2124]

Lol I thought I was the only one who used to go to guitar center and make beats on the Triton and save them .

[@AveMcree]

lol I still go to that same guitar center and the samething

[@boybandz80]

lol me 2. Made a whole album from beats I made at guitar center. I took the SD card to a studio that had a Triton and pulled the beats up.

[@DJ-Coma]

Lol that’s awesome. Respect the dedication!

[@morenaso1]

Me too haha and Sam Ash

[@jloombeats]

Maaannnn you GOTTA do the homie Toomp!!!!! One of my favorite producers hands down.

[@TheRealEstate]

Seeing this Video makes me Cry a little Bit. I remember buying the Triton Studio for my Studio! I miss my Keyboard 😭😭😭 Bout to get the Plugin. Wish I can add this to my MPC one.

[@sundownbelow]

I can’t believe you didn’t go over the Frontin’ guitar patch!! Haha great video though dude

[@atomicdogg7801]

Which one is it thoooo

[@sundownbelow]

@@atomicdogg7801 looking back I do think it was the Chorus E. Guitar haha he mentioned it in the video for holla back girl

[@muzikman2008]

I got a Triton extreme 88 with moss board fitted, and a Triton Le. Both still get used today after I bought them new. Great workhorses.

[@peeweebirmingham6414]

Classic grime keyboard, i love de gliding squares, old portamento and old and analog 💯

[@TheSparrow1980]

Bro I still have my Triton Studio, still works and everything. Love it!!

[@darrenhirst9900]

You must love playing it.

[@DerSchaddan]

I've heard about the triton a bunch of times, but was somehow put off whenever I looked up Korgs website... I've been in search of (Pun intended) this sounds for a long time. I remember buying Logic Pro X because I've heard it has a lot of real instruments sound, which indeed were cool, but I never got around using logic, as the midi editing was just not for me. I also bought a lot of other (plugin) synths, thinking that'd it finally get my hands on those sounds that I used to hear as a kid, they were definitely great too, but again: not for me. But finally, today I saw the Triton in a video with Timbaland an Jay-Z in the studio, when Timbaland showed him the beat for what eventually became "Dirt off your shoulder". Immediately tried the demo and went through the sounds and had a lot of fun enjoying all those patches. Thus said: thank you for this video. A lot of people might think that the Triton is outplayed, but considering how many (Nep)tunes were made with this thing... I sure think it would be a welcome contrast to all the Omnisphere and Nexus we are used to for the last 5-10 years

[@silentscopedark8767]

i just installed this and listening to the presets still. the quality is amazing for such a small file size for this vst. (250MB)

[@phantomdreamer3801]

Dr. Dre & Scott Storch

[@wizards001]

Scortch - ing hot

[@ThaChefs]

Strato Chime at 5:12 is so legendary.....Give It 2 Me (JayZ), Rock Your Body (Timberlake), Beautiful (Snoop)

[@jd49631]

And Frontin’ by Pharrell. I like that sound!

[@henryndungu03]

The exact flute which was used in from NORE’s Nothin’ is called ”Old shakuhachi” 🫡

[@RYAN-zm8kr]

Under 'Bell/Mallet' search for the 'Bali Gamelon', there you have the Tokyo Drift Bell :)

[@thundorkat]

Synth & Bass/Saw & Bass in the lead was used for Milkshake, Excuse Me Miss (remix) the M1 VST has the clarinet used in songs like Mystikal's Shake Ya Ass, Bouncin' Back. Also the infamous clavichord used in Noreaga's Superthug

[@3rdARKnight]

Wavestation has it and also Roland XP-10 as well

[@thundorkat]

@@3rdARKnight bro thanks! Although I think I got the sawtooth wrong. Is that saw on wavestation & the Roland? That’s 1/2 patches that have escaped me - that and the one used in Usher’s I Don’t Know

[@leroyligtvoet187]

Bamboo silver flute (2:35) Brings back that old school NORE-nothin’ vibe! I love it🔥

[@SmallAxeMP]

Never heard another flute like it. Its the best flute on a keyboard that is uniquely different from the real flyte but just sounds so good.

[@leroyligtvoet187]

It’s so smooth.. I really love that flute for real for real👌🏽

[@ThomasLoyd]

Ave, first off, awesome videos and thank you very much for sharing your time with this. Second, in regards to showing the chord progressions, all you really need to do is move the Triton GUI up on the screen far enough and people can see what keys you are pressing on the virtual keyboard on the screen. Thirdly, after watching your previous videos on it, I went and bought the whole Korg Synths package because I used to play on all those synths way back in the day 80s and 90s and really wanted to get one. Now, for $299, I was able to get virtual versions that are true to the originals in digital form! Thanks!

[@tristaningram4418]

Thank you for covering this topic. I knew the percussion kit was on the Trinity but I could never find it on the Triton. I have the extreme version but the layout of sounds is different. This video was very helpful.

[@_Maxten]

nice to know the exact names i also really appreciate that we can see the keys you're playing

[@chasedadolla2479]

No floppy disk 💾 needed that’s a plus my best friend bought one back in the day I’m definitely buying it for $200 vs $4000 and $2000 for less keys and memory

[@AveMcree]

Man I was pissed when my guitar center blocked the floppy drive when I was 17.

[@chasedadolla2479]

Ave Mcree trust I feel your pain😭

[@Rnb24565]

I come from Germany and i Love this Video about the Triton😀👏 And we in Germany love the Neptunes Productions! And we in Germany love more the old school rnb and Hip Hop from the 2000s and 90s era. This era was from us the best!😀👍

[@AveMcree]

Sohrab n I’m from Germany too😂

[@Rnb24565]

Ave Mcree Echt? Also lebst du auch hier?😀

[@semyaza555]

N.E.R.D. also used the clav sound at 5:15 on the demo version of ‘Tape You’

[@lakerland24]

An Asshole. Yup!

[@wayneking6932]

What sound was used to make jay z excuse me miss ???

[@xykosince9213]

Got it today no regrets I never owned a real one any way so it's all golden over here.....

[@matt.loupe.]

Strato chime sounds like Frontin by Pharrell

[@Superstardark]

I had so much fun watchin this you made me get the whole korg pack

[@raphaelzamora7974]

Jermaine Dupree with Nivea, Manuel Seal with Mariah Carey, Troy Taylor with B2K, Rich Harrison with Amerie! Oh and Darkchild on Beyoncé’s Deja Vu! I know I’m asking for a lot lol

[@chandeleerjet5637]

Another classic made on Triton is Still Dre. Not sure if you covered it in this video but Storch said it in an interview that he used a triton piano ran through a bunch of compression for Still Dre.

[@daeone1514]

Thats too dope. The korg Triton sounds can still be dope. Remember Zaytoven and Gucci when they flooded hip hop, Zay used a Korg. It was the M3 but the m3 was like the triton and the karma at once, with additional sounfs but the sounds that zay used, were also in the Triton

[@GBANI]

It is the Bambo flute. Noreaga ft Pharell what you gonna do.

[@TheCaptainblaubeere]

awesome video thank you! please do more on the neptunes they my fav too

[@hazardouslegend937]

Highly appreciated for this 🙏🏾

[@AceeSoul]

Fantastic video!! Hopefully at some point they release an ASR 10 module vst

[@desreb740]

Yes

[@BkBangatv]

Nice One. Make it bling like the Neptune sound... Classic. #KeepBangin!

[@revelashan]

So they didn't even tweak the sounds a little bit? Wow. They wanted those joints exactly how they sounded out the box!

[@williamthomas1022]

the sounds are clean unlike a lot of VSTs that always have a choursy reverb...worth the $200

[@Creukelen]

Yeah, I’m going to get this ASAP. This video pushed me to it. Thanks.

[@Sputz3]

2:38 that’s that Nore joint!

[@bigbro4266]

Oh this is about to be a wonderful 2020 🤑😎

[@Frapskillar]

Rock your Body uses the Stratochime

[@dietrickvick1]

Nice... I was just requesting to hear more from that plug. Spot on..

[@adriankeibord2]

Korg n364 was one of the best selling models has been in production for 10 years, Triton LE came to replace and with almost the same sounds as the n364 line i have an old n364 i am ovating almost all his sounds in this new VST.

[@desreb740]

Hmm, good points

[@eman0828]

Nothing beats having the real thing though as the hardware its self has its own filters that give its sound. I still kept all my legacy hardware that's still use. I still got my old Motif ES6, Fantom X etc. J.R Rotem kept all of his keyboards too.

[@AveMcree]

Eman 08 you know there’s video to prove it’s a faithful emulation of the original? You’re wasting space my brother😂.

[@eman0828]

@@AveMcree I have the real thing though that will last for years. I don't anything funny as maybe you are too immature to respond to my comment. Software has its cons that becomes obsolete over time once you upgrade your OS. That is another reason why I still have all my hardware. It's also much more reliable not worry able software crashing on me.

[@AveMcree]

@@eman0828 software never becomes obsolete. Who told you that? Let's not have an argument about coding because you're not ready for that. If we want to use the word obsolete as for argument sake. The hardware version of the Triton is decades behind. My laptop can outperform it in any way possible. Not to mention, it will cost you an arm and leg if DAC, motherboard, or OS dies.

[@eman0828]

@@AveMcree Once the company stops supporting the software and stop making it and you upgrade your OS, you will run into compatibility issues. Ever heard of LinPlug? That company doesn't even exist anymore as they went out of business. Hardware can last for decades as nothing would replace its authentic sound. Those filters were engineered to give it, it's sound and character. That is why J.R Rotem, myself and Ryan Leslie still kept out legacy hardware around. I play at live gigs as a musician from time to time and would trust my Motif over soft synth in terms of reliability and the warmth you get from hardware. If you ever walked into black churches you still older gen Motifs, Fantoms and Tritons still in use. Those boards were really built to last. J.R Rotem still has an XV-5080 module racked in his desk.

[@eman0828]

@@AveMcree You can littery purchase a real Trition Rack from eBay for $300.

[@3rdARKnight]

Sound modules too don’t forget they used

[@gr33dygenius10]

Those are now timeless sounds. Pharrell said that his goal was to accentuate just how outdated and unused a lot of those sounds had gotten, and try to bring them to the forefront.

[@neunciavbud55bn3u]

The Triton sounds are full and thick which made them stand out, you can make a hit track with just one sound.

[@peterkadarmusic9728]

If they do this for iOS like they did for the iM1, that will change the game for gigging, travelling keyboard players. Even a stock Triton, with at least the Concert Piano expansion, you could cut pretty much any gig with that. Or at least that with a decent Nord for all the other meat & potatoes sounds.

[@SweetChinMuzik1]

Annoyed by the folks saying "these sounds are dated".....are keys dated? Are strings dated? Are drums dated? All sounds have been used and the only option for you is to start using atonal noise..... ain't nothing new under the sun. This is a gem, make music with it

[@larrybellyfate]

I just bought the collection. I have a total of 80 vstis now ave because of you lmao

[@michie123]

yeessssss the sexy ass Arco Strings. i needed this video so badly. So ill need this specific plug in being "Korg, Triton" to be able to have those nostalgia trips right? i always wanted to know which tracks he used. this is mind blowing to me.

[@dachucktaylor1]

Yessir the Korg Triton and ASR-10 sampler were the Neptunes weapon of choice.

[@locutz]

These youngins don't know bout these banggers Ave

[@MarquesTheProducer]

we do though ... 👀

[@mydasmurray]

I'm looking for the synth used in clipse 'hello new world' (also used dirt off your shoulder & snoopy track) can you help sir!!

[@sig310]

My first keyboard back in 2003 but had to sell if for some money bc my car broke down in 2009. At least now it's a vst and it's affordable lol

[@centuryeggband1458]

I'd very much like to get your perspective on how the Triton menu/user interface, which I found suuuuper hard to understand as someone used to making tunes on a DAW, like how the limitations of the UI might have influenced how folks like the Neptunes might have written their tunes using the Triton sequencer, where so many parameters in the keyboard would be easier to access using a piano roll. Maybe they used a piano roll and sent MIDI out but I dunno, just really wanna know what you think cause you know ur sheet

[@DBlissett]

WE NEED A TIMBALAND VID LOL

[@lilsafmusic]

The m1 had the tokyo drift pluck sound.

[@Yagga97]

LILSAF don’t know if it’s on the other models before the triton extreme but as far as I know my triton extreme has that sound too

[@vampvhs]

@Jayden Richards wavy seeing you here lol

[@DJMoniker]

These sounds also very popular with early grime prodcucers some of these sounds became standard sounds you would hear all the time

[@R-LOG546]

Yhh Wiley and dizzie used this heavily 🔥

[@itimmy101]

Philly's most wanted- please dont mind T.i.- what's yo name & im serious Foxy brown-candy Slim thug-i aint heard of that Baby face- there she goes Toni Braxton- hit the freeway N'sync- my girlfriend Are also some of my favorites!

[@ShadikTV]

I need the Ensoniq MR-61 VST.

[@JRSWIFTZ757]

I wonder if the 702 joint “I Still love you” was made with the triton.. think i heard the drums for it under Orchestra & Ethnic

[@JRSWIFTZ757]

Lol i guess i should’ve watched towards the end lol i found out afterwards lol

[@lowlowseesee]

yo making so much music on a store model triton to the point that they had to lock up the disk drive is hilarious hahahaha. i definitely used store model shit but not to that level thats raw

[@smiauu]

oh so triton`s the reason why neptunes sound so fresh

[@GrayFoxGamingHD]

Great video ... I also love the neptunes.

[@dekal760]

Didn't Lil John and his famous synth come from a Triton?

[@MD-cy8uj]

4:35 What happened to that boy? - Neptunes

[@cmpersonalyoutube3491]

FINALLY VST!!!!!

[@dianevrules]

They used a lot of presets. Aftermath producers, and a lot of other mfs used the Triton in the late 90s/early/mid 00s. Never had a Triton. I may have to get this plugin ish. Im a fan of Korg synths.

[@tajcannady]

By chance do you have a vid like this for the roland d50 vst?

[@AveMcree]

Not yet

[@marcellinonugraha2993]

Would like to add more on the FXs side. If you happen to visit startrakmusic(dot)com back then, i just found the name of the patch is Jungle Melody. And Voice FXs Pharrell used on Teriyaki Boyz, Twista, Madonna all inside this Korg. Im in super awe, and always reminded why they are one of the greatest I / we should never forget