FANATEC GT DD EXTREME - Steering Bug in Gran Turismo 7

[@bwx_gaming]

I'm not going to change thumbnail because it would just cause confusion to anyone reading comments in the future. Like people are commenting, this is probably/ maybe a "feature", simulating tires coming into contact with fenders on a car lowered too much. The problem is it's not obvious at all, and also "simulates" force feedback and wheel issues which lots of people have been seeing with this new wheel including me. But I also noticed it happening on a time trial with a fixed setup front wheel drive car with a GT DD PRO, so that reason doesn't completely explain everything. Examples: (link takes you right to the point in vid it happens on the Civic time trial) kzbin.info/www/bejne/nYLVn2Rmo9KSg80si=0qPtmU3E4XzH3Fvu&t=293 kzbin.info/www/bejne/nYLVn2Rmo9KSg80si=hUTXkVs1VsH9ALWI&t=305 I'm going to investigate further.

[@TheRZBM]

This isn't caused by your steering wheel as I have experienced this on two Thrustmaster wheels. This is the suspension bottoming out and the cars wheels hitting the car body or wheel arches preventing the steering from moving until the suspension unloads. You need to either raise up the suspension, stiffen it up or remove wheel spacers or wide rims. I don't think this is a bug, rather the games way of feeding back that the car is too low and the suspension is bottoming out and the wheels are hitting the body and that in real life you would feel it through the steering wheel or body of the car or at least a horrible rubbing noise and wear on your tyres and damage.

[@SiQuemaCuhh]

Same here but I have noticed this happen to even cars I own without any mods bought.

[@bwx_gaming]

Yup I think you might be right. I'm going to do some testing,. It did happen to me on that Honda Civic online time trial at Maggiore with a fixed setup though. Maybe it's a feature, or maybe it's a bug that acts like a feature. Not sure if it's intended by PD or not? It would be cool if it was a fleshed out feature, and maybe the steering wheel would vibrate really bad like it would in a real car, and have the game give you some sort of warning or indication. It acts a lot like wheel/ force feedback issue or bug.

[@TheRZBM]

@@bwx_gaming yep the Civic time trial was annoying as it would bottom out on some corners leaving you without steering input briefly. Definitely they could improve it by making the steering stiffen up but not just completely stick and go limp and like you say it should vibrate or something to make it a bit more obvious something is going on.

[@TheRZBM]

@@SiQuemaCuhh I imagine the reality is some cars will have a bit of wheel rubbing if they are driven hard though I think most cars would be tested hard to avoid this and probably it’s just a combination of the suspension in the game being softer than the real life car and the wheel and tyre specs and spacing being slightly off.

[@bwx_gaming]

This comment was in the "held for review" box for some reason. I have no idea why. Yeah I don't mind that it reacts to that real physics issue but it would be cool if the wheel vibrated and maybe the game made a sound like it would in real life. As it is, it's just confusing unless you realize what's happening. It would be really cool if they fleshed it out a little and made sure it didn't happen on stock tunes.

[@MarkMash17]

Haha you know what it is? The car is too low and the wheels are touching the arches.... I thought it was a bug but it's a cool feature. Raise the ride height of the car and it goes away haha... I was amazed when i read about it 😅

[@bwx_gaming]

Wiw are you serious? LOL if that works

[@MarkMash17]

@@bwx_gaming do it man. Get back to me! I laughed when I found out. I thought the exact same thing

[@bwx_gaming]

@@MarkMash17 I definitely will! Funny thing is it happend to me in that Civic Online Time Trial with a fixed setup a while ago - with my GT DD pro. But could be same type of thing still.

[@MarkMash17]

@@bwx_gaming yeah be interesting if it's something else

[@Appocalypss]

i had almost the same issue 2 days ago. you should try to connect the dd extrem to your computer and do all available firmware updates (wheelbase + quick release) in fanatecs software, this solved my issue and it never happend again. Maybe this helps you out 😁

[@bwx_gaming]

Cool thanks for feedback. Yeah I did update the wheel / base / and QR firmware. Had to downgrade to 455 driver and firmwares on wheel and base because of that disconnect issue. Other people on forums said same bug happens on different Fanatec wheels too so who knows. LOL I'm going to wait till 457 driver comes out with new FW and maybe that will help. 🤞

[@slof69]

it's nothing to do with firmware it's the game because you put the front too low on an FF car it happens with any input

[@Bohn101]

That's crazy. This is a really good video. Sony, Polyphony Digital and Fanatec should all look into this. They might learn some thing about tuning the force feedback for all wheel bases, when investigating how this one is not working properly. I don't have this problem. However, with some of the past Gran Turismo updates, there was such a lack a feeling mid-corner in GT3 cars that if you weren't looking at the screen and listening to the tires you would have no ability to save a spin or slide. Your problem probably has to do with being a new product. But, I think this is a great video and I hope it gets some of their attention. I'm sure you'll get sorted out soon enough.

[@bwx_gaming]

Thanks, I think it might be a "feature" like people are saying in comments, "simulating" tires coming into contact with fenders on lowered cars. My wheel is working pretty good with the combination of firmwares I have installed on base, wheel, and QR. I think the bottom FFB slider being raised up in GT7 FFB settings helps with that numb feeling you get sometimes, I know what you mean about that. Even with this crazy wheel it does feel numb sometimes. Most of the time it's really good though.

[@luizbrodowski2840]

@@bwx_gaming Can you tell me which versions you are using?

[@luizbrodowski2840]

Can you tell me which firmware versions you are using?

[@darthhccinematics9906]

its the game trying to simulate real life , the tire rubbing against the wheel arch , locking the steering , you need to raise the car up

[@bwx_gaming]

I'm going to test this! It sounds like that might be it.

[@PROPPIES]

I'm trying to look up who has the same issues. Mine is only specific to some cars like Porsche 992 GT3 RS - BMW M2. What sucks is I saw some comments now talking about ride height, which I'll try. But this happens to me even driving in a straight line, the wheel on screen stays straight, then I'll turn and it's like the wheel on the screen realizes oh I should turn and then just jolts in the direction I'm actually turning and lose the car completely. Mine still does it to this day Had an excellent race on Nordshleife and happened on the last few corners and cost me the race. Sux not being able to drive the Porsche GT3 RS. I even bought another GT3 RS but same results

[@bwx_gaming]

Yeah it’s weird. Seems like a bug to me, that PD needs to look at. It even happens on a controller. Shouldn’t happen as much as it does.

[@OrangeSunshine15]

Yes it is a bug. Next time it happens, pause the game & unpause, It will be fine. Tidgney also mentioned this in one of his latest videos.

[@bwx_gaming]

I think this might be different, I did restart game and wheel and everything and already dealt with the disconnecting bug firmwares and got that sorted out. . It might be like what people are saying, car is too low and it's a "feature".

[@maxmoser412]

Apparently the DD Extreme is having more issues after GT7 1.49 update. Other Fanatec uses can change their settings and it's fine then. But Extreme users seem to have a unique issue.

[@bwx_gaming]

@@maxmoser412 I just tested this out with new Lambo with race suspension and same kind of thing happens as in vid but if you raise and stiffen up suspension it goes away on my GT DD X. My wheel did start freezing again after 1.49 though but using light blue PS4 mode fixed it.

[@maxmoser412]

@@bwx_gaming I just know my buddies DDE has almost zero force feedback post update. That's even with the settings in the game and the wheel jacked up.

[@bwx_gaming]

Yeah I’ve heard people having that issue. I guess some people can fix it with updated firmware. Mine feels amazing but I have some beta firmware on there so not sure. Actually for me it’s the best FFB I’ve ever felt in any Grand Turismo in my life. It’s really good. Hope PD fixes it for all wheels soon!

[@xMartyyy]

as a few have mentioned - not the wheel and not a bug. It's a feature of the game, you have tuned the car and lowered so much that the front wheels can't turn in the arches. Lift the car and you'll see the problem will be gone. Source: I had this same exact issue when the game launched and I thought "lower is better" for every cars suspension.

[@bwx_gaming]

Yeah now that people are mentioning that, I do also remember that happening when GT7 first came out and I realized what what going on at the time, but I don't remember it acting exactly like that. So I maybe it's a little different now, but I tend to agree. The weird part is that it happens on stock tunes such as on that Maggiore Honda Civic Online time trial where it was happening on a fixed tune car. It would be cool if it were more obvious, like vibrating the FFB and making a nasty noise like what would happen in a real car with tires rubbing fenders. I actually like "features" like that, adds to realism.. of course on replays the tires just clip through the fenders.

[@geoffbracken2395]

I'm still having this issue. Live races I lose steering after pitting. I have to reset the wheel every time I pit. Annoying. And its all levels of cars

[@bwx_gaming]

Check out the description of the video linked below. I'm using 457 drivers, and a hotfix FW for just the wheelbase and have played many hours and several days with no freezing or disconnects. I have a link to that hotfix 2.1.0.4 wheelbase FW and what I have been doing in description of that video. So far so good! No problems yet. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qaSblZiDbLyIhKc

[@kevin92foxbody67]

Just hit the pause button then unpause real quick while it driving hope that helps

[@bwx_gaming]

I definitely tried everything, except raising suspension on the car! LOL I think that might be the problem like everyone is saying. And I have driver 455 firmware on base and wheel after dealing with disconnect issues, but those issues act a lot different than this. I only had one disconnect in several hours of playing after I downgraded the firmware back to 455 from 456.

[@krdjmtc]

I’ve had this exact issues with a controller on ovals when the game released. Once the car’s back end got a little loose the inputs would cease until the car gripped up again.

[@bill0522]

got the same issue with my GT DD pro too like few days ago during the nation cup

[@BBBataleon]

Whole wheel animation not representing whole rotation of the sim wheel is a joke, in VR it's confusing AF. Btw I had that rotation twitch in 300sl, but I thought it was lowered too much ;)

[@bwx_gaming]

Yup that's another thing Sony/ Kaz/ PD could improve on for sure. It would be cool to see unlimited steering wheel rotation animations, especially in VR.

[@mramaz1ngarry728]

There's been a lot reporting this issue since the Feb update. Just hitting pause fixes it for them.

[@bwx_gaming]

Yup I had wheel disconnect problems until I sorted out firmware on wheel/ base/ QR, but I think this is different, like people are saying in comments. But I tried everything and this kept happening. It might be a "feature" like people are saying, simulating tires coming into contact with fenders on a car lowered too much. If that's true I wish PD would make it more obvious what's going on, LOL. It simulates FFB issues pretty well too.

[@luizbrodowski2840]

@@bwx_gaming Can you give me the firmware versions on wheel/ base/ QR? What are you using?

[@HappyDogRacing74]

Mine disconnects, stop input, etc. Typically after an impact. I have to reboot in the middle of races.

[@bwx_gaming]

That sucks. Have you tried installing 455 drivers and updating or downgrading wheel base firmware? That's usually what the problem is. Driver and FW for 457 is supposed to fix that in a couple weeks (mid April now, pushed back twice so far).

[@JuanAndresCuervo]

Yesterday i download the lates firmware (v455) from Fanatec and upgrade my dd1 podium wheelbase and v3 club aporta pedals, everithing is ok by far.

[@bwx_gaming]

Yeah 456 is the real problem, I had massive issues with it and my wheelbase was bricked after the QR FW update kept failing. Eventually I recovered it and used 456 drivers and FW and had crazy disconnect issues. Then I finally downgraded back to 455 and those firmwares and the wheel has had only one disconnect since. Apparently the "bug" in the vid is not a bug, but a "feature". I'm not so sure it is intentional by PD or not but people seem to think it is.

[@slof69]

yeah its with raked ff cars never drop the front

[@kaedeschulz5422]

I had similar things going on with my Z 432 and the problem was the wheels were rubbing the fenders.. Rised the car. Gone. Was very high so i changed the rim width and offset... Lowered it and there it is. Lowered and no problem.

[@bwx_gaming]

Yeah and I think I have wide tires and lowered suspension on that car too! I think that's it.

[@kaedeschulz5422]

@@bwx_gaming So perhaps try if you have it with that Z with widebody, wide rims and offset when the suspension is dropped too and see if it's the same.

[@steveybiggunzgaming8118]

That’s strange, I’m using the same set and play gt7 daily. My firmware is all latest, this has never happened.

[@bwx_gaming]

Apparently it's a setup issue on lowered cars! I have to test it more but that's probably true. Now that people are mentioning that, I do remember when I first got GT7 I noticed something like this on lowered cars, but I can't remember exactly what happened back then, I don't think it was exactly like this, but I raised car up and it fixed it. I guess I didn't make the connection here because I was concentrating on force feedback issues with all the firmware problems this wheel has right now.

[@Riot-ippo]

Did u ever find solutions

[@bwx_gaming]

Yeah basically raise the suspension until it doesn't do that anymore. Problem is that it happens sometimes on fixed tune cars from PD on time trials, so not sure it is a "feature" like some people are saying. I call it a bug. Not sure if it has anything to do with Fanatec wheels though, I think it's a GT7 problem, not a Fanatec problem.

[@Riot-ippo]

@bwx_gaming prob but atleast we can have some what of idea what it is ty

[@TheThink5op]

Ahah happened to me with a thrustmaster t300, not a DD whell, and I understand why in the comments now 😂

[@bwx_gaming]

Yeah glad it's not the wheel! Still seems like a weird thing to happen though, intended by PD or not. 🤷‍♂

[@MroczMR]

I have this issue after last patch 1.49 in gallardo. I doubt it is a feature feels more like a bug. I wonder how to fix it. Gallardo is badically unplayable after tune. I am using Thrustmaster T300 Made a video of this occuring: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mKmki3WKhtuUm6csi=D7cluGsyf8BAYJwv

[@bwx_gaming]

Yeah I think it's a bug or "feature" in GT7 where if you use wide wheels and/or lower suspension too much, the tires gets bound up in the wheel well of the car. A way to test it is to raise suspension or put on regular wheels. Once in a while a stock tune will do this too though so I think it's more of a bug than feature! If PD fleshed it out and made it make some grinding noises and had some FFB vibes when it happened it would actually be a cool realistic feature.

[@bwxmoto]

I just checked out your vid and yeah it looks a little different. I wonder if you have stock wheels and tires and stock suspension on it? Maybe this bugs acts a little different in new update too. They did change a lot with the suspension and steering.

[@bwxmoto]

And if it is stock, I wonder if you upgraded suspension, and then raised it way up in the front, if it would still do it? That would at least narrow it down I guess.

[@MroczMR]

On video it is modified with race suspension. But this occurs in fully stock gallardo aswell just less severe.

[@bwx_gaming]

Yeah that I would consider a bug. I noticed it happened in an online time trial with fixed setup on a Honda Civic quite a while ago. And there’s a Porsche that it happens to with stock suspension on some tracks. People say it’s intensional by PD but I don’t think so if it happens with stock suspension height. I think they need to fix it! (Responded with my main account before - just noticed).

[@FassBoi6]

I have both pro and extreme and I’ve never experienced this….until I played GT7

[@bwx_gaming]

Yup I think it's definitely just a bug in GT7. If you raise up suspension on these cars it doesn't happen at all. I was going to make another vid showing that. I don't think it's an intended "feature" though since it happens on cars with stock tune sometimes.