Fanboyism is a mental illness: How Youtubers steal your identity through parasocial relationships

[@mpp9993]

Fanboyism isn't as bad as you make it out to be. Definitely not deserving of a dsm-v acronym. The problem is not having enough idols to build an intricate mosaic of traits. The problems come when you only have a few models to work with and you aren't able to contrast many. You're gucci at the opposite end of the spectrum, and you should strive to build an aggregate self, at the expense of your individualistic pursuits and self-discovery. If it conflicts with you becoming more self-minded, which it doesn't, so be it. There's nothing in the self to discover, anyway. Observing myself is pointless. It's like me starting to write books without having even read more than 200 in my whole life. I'm all of a sudden going to write books like Jules Verne, from my imagination, despite not having traveled to 3 countries my whole life. Here is the power of having many idols. I watch your videos and I dislike your anime thumbnails, I click anyway because I like the weight stuff and also the philosophy content. I learn a lot. I then watch your personal attacks on the merc, how relentless and how much of a bully you are, how crass and cruel you can become, making him the focal point of your rage and expending so much energy, and then I watch another guy I respect, alphadestiny. In comparison, he comes off as more chill, somewhat more macho, dignified, if you will. Then, I can contrast you with Will Tennyson, who has achieved a great physique as well and is upbeat, humorous, charming, never negative. However, I still like your content and I binge on it, because it intrigues me. You see, I can still be very particular about the things I like and dislike. I retain this faculty, so there are no dangers of a messiah-apostle relationship here. At the very worst a master-disciple one. In reality, I just wanna copy your homework. You don't have to dive on your sword and cordon yourself, warn me about the dangers of hijacking my ego or about the dangers unrequited bromance. I bromance on whoever i want to bromance on, and I happen to be a sucker for the bros, If I decided I like your "I am my fellow man's steward" schtick and I find it funny you upload 1 hour 40 mins vids about self-betterment-of which I'm only watching 30 mins (speaking badly about yourself). I like that. I also like the bdsm stuff about weights and stoicism, I need some bdsm in my life. So i'm in 70% agreement across the whole range of topics, and on weight training is 98%. 70% is a healthy percent.

[@razorgodzz7898]

What the fuck did I just read

[@deathbleu5741]

Interesting comment. Fanboyism might not be a mental illness but it certanly isn't good to abandon your own identity just to submit to some idol. It feels good to be a follower but doesn't propel you forward.

[@toastyeggfilms]

Ok I agree . you can look at the self as nothing but just a blank canvas or even a canvas with a few pointless stuff on it. and so u could prefer all the worlds input to make a nice painting. But even if the brain is limited, it is so powerful that even one input of a concept, or you can even say an idol for multiple ideas, adds so much to the complexity of ur understanding of the world that you necessarily become self-focused and creative. Because you have to interact in unique ways with this information to the world, this is the point where novelty comes out of you.Literally from ur birth, the outside input of the world feeds into this unique identity, even if it was only a single memory, so that You don’t have to consciously think of idol collecting, because it’s already always happening, and there’s something beyond that. My point- each human stands on the edge of new things. You aren’t always creating the most groundbreaking things like 400 iq Einstein mode, but this process is always happening, even with things you think of as mundane, or beyond yourself. Learning about Ernest Becker leads me to this mindset. The denial of this reality is the cope, the comfort of escaping into the community. Also, I get that feeling for those bloho videos. Let’s be honest It’s mob mentality for a good cause lol. But we need that. To understand people who go too far down the dark arts. That is the only good function of bloho. Ok thank u

[@hs8767]

If you're able to retain critical thinking then I wouldn't say you're a fanboy in the first place. A fanboy to me is someone who chooses to ignore objective reality, either consciously or subconsciously, and considers the word of the person they worship as indisputable.

[@n00b7771]

Interesting read, thank you

[@j.6378]

don't worry, my brain will never be able to trick me into thinking a frenchman is my friend.

[@SrsBsnsShz]

Started a set of squats just as a french rap song from his playlist came on. I hated the frenchman ever since.

[@NaturalHypertrophy]

Good

[@gilby4495]

@@SrsBsnsShz 💀💀

[@vilgothogberg4108]

@@SrsBsnsShz didnt you watch the video you're impersonting the letter G smh

[@ieo8446]

​@@SrsBsnsShz Based fellow German

[@travishowrish4711]

#1 worst fanboys is for sure Mike Israetel and RP. They take everything he says as gospel and think everything he says is science based even though alot of the concepts he comes up with are bro science. Even some of the other "science based" guys like Eric Helms have called him out on his concepts having no scientific backing. On places like Reddit, if a training program does not fit into Mike Israetels magical volume, intensity and frequency ranges then it is deemed garbage and wont work at all. Mike and the RP guys have this weird passive aggressiveness in debates with people, and in training videos they try to appear hardcore by doing sets of leg press "to failure" and then flopping on the floor like drama queens. The funniest part is that many people have analyzed the videos and they aren't even training anywhere close to failure. Fans of Mike and RP almost always have that same elitist mind set and passive aggressive behavior. Super, super cringe worthy.

[@simranbiryani3068]

I stopped being a fan of Israetel when i saw the debate against Doucette, the passive aggressiveness and elitist mindset was so apparent in that video. Its funny because he turned out to be wrong about some things like the definition of obesity. Also when i saw pictures of what Israetel looked like naturally its hard to take him seriously, he was just a fat guy. He had to take steroids to get results, yet Reddit and the internet regard him as the king of training advice for natties for some reason. But the internet also regarded Rippetoe as God at one point, and recommended starting strength even for people with aesthetic goals. When it comes to lifting advice its best to just stay off the internet. Picture of Israetel natty 2.bp.blogspot.com/_cW6zjVNGGEs/TLzDWSkm2gI/AAAAAAAAAUY/ON6ZeFulYHA/s1600/CC,+MI,+AS.jpg

[@joa6952]

@@simranbiryani3068 I agree with the idea that the advice from RP and Israetel probably isn't as good as some bootlickers make it out to be, his smug elitism is incredibly annoying and his drug abuse takes away a lot of his credibility; but I'm not sure it's fair to use that picture to show that he wasn't able to reach his goals naturally because if I'm not mistaken he started out as a powerlifter and not as a bodybuilder

[@diegorecuay2852]

Israetel is a master on portraying his made-up stuff as "evidence based", and is willing to have a 50 hour debate just to prove his theories right. He's literally a modern day sophist

[@jaleesa00]

Ive heard RP preach a deload phase and constantly adding progressive overload in the form of weights and if you can't up the weight then it's time for a deload phase but i have seen other videos saying rep goal is more attractive because even if you don't up the weight in a session your muscles still got the stimulus needed to grow so you don't need a deload phase in theory ever. Are deload phases necessary for hypertrophy work?

[@HardcoreNaturalFitness]

Will hear this as podcast 😁

[@56a-u8y]

1:32:55 that looked like you had a cathartic moment right there

[@CsaVage90]

You forgot to put on your plus five hat of weapon Frenching.

[@thatoneartfellowroob]

>having other men in your profile pic I just wanna be moisturized, in my lane, and flourishing ;-; pls no bulli

[@davida5053]

Lol

[@AndreasFunnell]

Natural Hypertrophy: The Movie

[@ranfan1820]

This is where the Natural Hypertrophy Cinematic Universe starts. The big bad of the NHCU will be Jason Blahino. He wants to collect the 6 Infinity Gainz.

[@hhfbko]

Yep

[@pavelandonov3345]

@Hephaestus of course

[@Wayf4rer]

@@ranfan1820 infinity gonads

[@landerhendrickx3522]

:p

[@jt8204]

100 percent agree, never gonna partake in a parasocial relationships with youtubers again. I mean my heart was shattered when I found out Blaha wasn't 12% bodyfat and is actually bald, those were dark times..

[@ranfan1820]

Lol.

[@Mfitzy]

😂😂

[@JD83000]

Dude, bloath is NOT bald, how many times...

[@dexm2010]

*NOT* bald.

[@mrgeek434]

Blocked and reported.

[@Drumz_of_Liberation]

20 minutes and 57 seconds into Natural Hypertophy and chill and he hits you "that was just the intro" .

[@pavelandonov3345]

Reminds me of my university teachers

[@rasheemthebestfirstone3274]

Reminds me of Hamza’s “Cult”

[@NotNaween]

I went to him when I was 13 or 14 for advice, but I made sure to stay away from that comment section because it is filled with people who lack awareness that guy is a businessman not your friend.

[@YUVRAJSINGH-cc2bm]

Same with tate and FFW

[@GVS]

Oh damn, epic content dump here.

[@its_james_fitness]

Greg fanboys need to watch this

[@hemingway3508]

@@its_james_fitness Most of Greg fanboys are 12 years old. You think they are willing to listen to an opposing view point? 🤣

[@vedantkhandelwal5717]

@@hemingway3508 the sensitive ass Circle army!

[@DragonvalePost]

It’s funny, when I started watching you I definitely created some sort of a parasocial relationship, meaning when I heard you criticize Greg (who I was also a “fan” of), I got pretty annoyed. However, I quickly realized how ridiculous it was that my natural response was to get angry, and that sort of severed my parasocial relationship with both you and him. So thanks, lmao

[@tiagofranco6029]

@@hemingway3508 maybe not all, but some. That would be a win.

[@GVS]

HUGE fan of yours!

[@NaturalHypertrophy]

how dare u

[@RioDelTiempo24]

Respect but never idolize ✌️ Don't let standards and success from other people morph you into their puppet, only you can be better than yourself and comparing and idolizing someone "better" than you is going to make you miserable.

[@Loremipsum6665]

That's why I compare myself with Blowhard. He is worse than me

[@Chelseagrinkittycat]

@@Loremipsum6665 ah yes our boy blublu

[@swodox]

Kpop Stans , Politics , Anime , Fitness, tribalism/collectivism is present literally everywhere lul

[@pavelandonov3345]

The one that bothers me the most is politics. In my country that's what unites us - no matter who we vote for we still hate them with passion. We just hate them less than the other candidates. So I was surprised to see western Europeans and Americans being fans and defending the actions of their preferred candidates. Very bizarre

[@tiagofranco6029]

Not everywhere. You can make it so that at least they are not in your mind, that would be good.

[@Dark89Avenger]

@@pavelandonov3345 Ха, само като ти видях началото на коментара, беэ да погледна името раэбрах, че си сънародник :д

[@pavelandonov3345]

@@Dark89Avenger хах. Естествено

[@NaturalHypertrophy]

tf is wrong with Kpop stans, they're vicious

[@overlord6815]

Guilty lol. I can't even talk shit because I've been that guy in the past. Makes me cringe thinking about it

[@titanwilkins4044]

Same dog gotta start somewhere tho

[@mrgeek434]

Who were you a fanboy of? Jason Blaha?

[@pavelandonov3345]

@@mrgeek434 not bald

[@overlord6815]

@@mrgeek434 At one point yes lmfao. Can't believe I'm saying it either. Him and Athlean-x

[@IMJJTheJetPlane]

Same here. I was wrong to defend Greg Doucette for as long as I did. Now I regret it but I'm better for it I guess

[@Mfitzy]

1 Greg Doucette fanboy disliked this video.

[@fitnessforlife8966]

@gary Wilhelm you sound like Alex fanboy

[@fitnessforlife8966]

@gary Wilhelm add alex in that list he is idiot with no knowledge he was fan boy of jason blaha before he repeat what other youtuber says most of the time

[@Yungtay0]

@gary Wilhelm yea that is was the video that revealed Greg’s true nature to me. Plus I was high when I watched it. Was so disgusted with Greg’s character and more disgusted with how gullible I was

[@abhisheksathe123]

I actually liked Greg’s channel when he used to post videos about exercise and diet and stuff like that. Then he went to the dark side with clout chasing and calling out each and every influencer/youtuber he can find. His channel went from fitness to youtube drama channel. This is why i stopped watching his channel

[@Jeffery-Vanity-Blofield]

😂😂

[@potatoballs7988]

Why do you look like you’re a wrestler from Dagestan?

[@NaturalHypertrophy]

Because I am

[@JordansAnalysis]

I’m actually half-Dagestani Avar and I watch this channel lol

[@YoutubeCommenter1]

The virgin other KZbinr fan, VS the natural hypertrophy enjoyer

[@Wayf4rer]

Real talk though, the loyalty people feel towards certain lifting personalities has always struck me as odd. Some guys are certainly better than others, but you take the good from people and leave the things that don't work for you or that you don't agree with. Celebrity idolization in fitness is a plague.

[@chrisblogs5115]

It's not just in the lifting community. It is seen in any sort of celebrity or creator around. Just look at "Stans".

[@ohmy9261]

@@chrisblogs5115 That was a good song tho

[@mpp9993]

You can stan for someone if you respect them and their principles are in accordance to yours. Doesn't matter how you came about having them, as long as they are yours. You're essentially defending your own point of view. Nothing wrong with tribalism and in-group out-group bias either, if it's done to a healthy extent. Be skeptical of outsiders or strangers who haven't proved themselves. I don't get the need to deconstrut useful social schemes for the sake of it. Group loyalty is a virtue.

[@ohmy9261]

@@mpp9993 Fax

[@Frogstomp27]

@@mpp9993 I disagree. Even that is unhealthy.

[@newlife4830]

When I was a teenager I saw a lot of videos from one youtuber. He was a 30-35 years old man, and I feel like he was part of my family like uncle. And now I think it's really strange and weird.

[@ANTN96]

NatHyp, you're wrong, I am literally Guts from the Anime "Berserk". Fr

[@thomassalahub8219]

I was listening to this while driving with my dad and we both laughed out loud and hard when u said "you are an idiot if you're under 20 years old" (or something along those lines) because im just 18 yo :D

[@NaturalHypertrophy]

Happy to hear that my videos provide content for father/son quality time

[@Podzhagitel]

anyone under 25 years old is dumb (source: i once was under 25 years old)

[@thechimpmonkey7786]

i dont get how i am an idiot for it. you just dont discover things out of the blue most of the time. some external factor introduces you to it, you try it and and then you either start to like that thing or dislike it. And for an authoritive figure, how are you supposed to learn someting without someone who already knows? for example, if you want to learn basketball, you'd go to a coach who knows it himself. of couse you still need to put the effort in yourself, and also practice on your own too. i mean yes some people can do it themselves but not everyone could, and imo it would be better to learn from someone first because they'll at least know something as opposed to you being a complete beginner. Eklavya learned bow fighting entirely on his own, which shows that it can be done, but very rarerly. almost all elite athletes have a coach from the start. and why is it better to discover something on your own rather than through someone else? tbh i'm glad that i found the channels that i did early on. Same with manga and anime. many peope i've heard get motivated to start training and improving their lives after they watch some cool anime/ manga (like berserk, baki,). I remember you also said that you started training because of it. I also disagree on the point where you say that you shouldn't thank the youtuber but rather yourself or someting like that. What i believe the problem is the hyperboles that people use like 'you are the best thing ever'. I mean yea it is you yourself who decided to improve but the youtuber sure did help with their vid. so what's the problem for thanking them for it? Would like to see if your stance on this topic has changed with time. Also would appreciate your criticism of my comment and explanation. Keep the philosophical vids going!

[@elysiummaybee]

@@thechimpmonkey7786 Well you are an idiot like everyone else at 18 because you lack experiences and time to develop yourself. Not that you are born impaired. At 18 it's like a newborn child again, with suddenly tons of responsibility, with no time to adapt.

[@Wayf4rer]

Who is this and what have you done with the homeless bodybuilder who was here before

[@kingbyrd.1512]

This is NH's clone. He's the Liquid Snake to NH's Solid Snake.

[@NaturalHypertrophy]

he ded

[@kmuck8677]

This feels more like a college lecture than a KZbin video. 🧠

[@karlpuetz8352]

i think thats why we all love his videos, no?

[@landerhendrickx3522]

Brain hypertrophy

[@finnishboy5923]

@@landerhendrickx3522 Never skip neuron day

[@appleslover]

"X" anime fanboys when seeing a criticism of their worshipped anime be like:

[@roymustang.595]

Aaaaa one piece is the greatest anime

[@appleslover]

@@roymustang.595 any anime above 100 episodes is a garbage cash cow

[@naturalstrength8393]

@@appleslover Not true, literally the best shows of all time are all over a 100 episodes, it means there is alot to tell storywise

[@appleslover]

@@naturalstrength8393 it means that it has nothing to say and that the creators are abusing it to get cash

[@naturalstrength8393]

@@appleslover Not true, Naruto could not have possibly ended after 100 episodes and wrapped everything up, same goes for One Piece

[@iOAnGames]

great video once again, a friend of mine literally sends me every single Bugenhagen clip and starts fanboying about how big and strong he is, its so annoying :/

[@NaturalHypertrophy]

he might be inlove

[@joshi4450]

I used to fanboy athleanx, thankfully I got better after watching videos calling him out. Trying my best to develop my own fitness identity over fanboying again and wasting time

[@joebloggs6922]

I fell for that as well. Remember defending him on videos criticising him. Eventually I realised that those videos were correct and I started thinking for myself. Now I just pick and choose stuff that relates to me or that makes sense to me, and that doesn't matter where/who it comes from.

[@dionysosalters7002]

How do you know, that it wont happen to you again?

[@pavelandonov3345]

@@dionysosalters7002 He hopes to have learned his lesson

[@bendavis6457]

Same here.

[@michaelvanderlaan5629]

Same here, i wasted 2 years of my lifting career following his programs, the fake weights saga painfully opened my eyes to how poor his advice is. It's sad seeing all the fanboys kissing his feet on every comment section.

[@DCComicsAndSomeOtherThings]

Natty king of the french

[@olympic-gradelurker]

The french literally beheaded their king.

[@c.f9448]

@@olympic-gradelurker As a frog, I regret everyday about the murder of our King and the fact we unleashed satan into the world with the Revolution. Fortunately there are still a few of us which do not fall for the republic's lies

[@EscanorHelios]

@@c.f9448 Napoleon wasn't bad. In fact Napoleon was better than the Ancien Regime

[@c.f9448]

@@EscanorHelios I greatly admire Napoleon, but he was just a short phase, despite his genius he wasn't enough to restrain the demonic forces which were unleashed. He was superior to a lot of kings from the Ancien Régime but since he is one in a million, after him it was chaos. I personally admire mostly medieval kings, especially Louis IX (Saint Louis). Btw, nice pfp and name, Bose is indeed ultra based

[@EscanorHelios]

@@c.f9448 thanks! finally someone other than indians who know who bose is.

[@mrtheluckybucket]

So, you're saying you *don't* love me?

[@CJ-bk9vt]

The point made about youtube being mostly kids and the parasocial primarily targeting kids makes a lot of sense to me. I’m only 17 although I turn 18 in 10 days and when I was 15 16 I used to be a fanboy of many channels all of which I don’t watch anymore. In fact I can’t stand most them and can’t believe I was such a blind follower of them. I look back on me a couple of years ago and think I was an idiot and I’m sure in a few years when I’m a little older and developed myself more I’ll think I was an idiot now

[@superhedgehog6447]

Yeah same, some channels I was such a huge fan when I was 15 to 16. But now at 17, I can't stand them no more.

[@kimborampage]

KZbin definitely preys on the immaturity and lack of awareness of kids.

[@JoshBenware]

I feel so bad for your generation. KZbin and social media has destroyed real life experiences in almost every way. If you and your friends destroy your phones, you'll begin to see what real life is, and how wonderful things were before this empty nightmare of technology and fake relationships took over.

[@MrAndersson579]

Soon to be 25 and I was def an idiot at 18 lol

[@robmarsh918]

Just by you being humble and acknowledging how your future self will see your current self, your ahead of the curve in maturity. Stay strong, man.

[@fdsafsgrgsdg242]

Some of the most interesting fitness related content on the web currently, definitely going to sit through this. Actually this goes way further than just fitness.

[@researchproject034]

Yeah, this is deeply psychological

[@daniel_urs_skiotha8971]

Oouuuuch i have a manga profile photo and a profile surname from a book. At least is not a parasocial relationship with some vtuber like an osama avatar Can you speak in another analysis video about the disgusting godlike obsession with everything related to japan(lolis, kpop, anime, same consumism we critique in countries on the west, landscape images that i can mimic by taking a photo of some cherry blossoms from the park in front of my house located in an ugly city...and more) I mean i love some seinen manga/anime as i love philosophy or fictional books that makes me think and reflect on my life, but i hate all the industry fed and sustain by the consumers behind it, and all japan obsession in general

[@TheREDSKAL]

Being an individual is the greatest sin against the governments also this was an awesome video

[@pokec.]

This is a really good video, however, i have one thing to say... Iron your flag its been bothering me for the duration of the whole video lmao

[@L1terally_Me]

Hi guys, this is Jeff Cavaliere, AthleanXdotcom . One of the biggest problems i have faced while training athletes, mostly pro baseball players, is that they train with progress not designed for their body, today I’m going to teach you one simple trick to determine which typo of exercise is good for you. I want you to stand on the frame of a doorway, just like this. Now, fix your posture and lift yourself with your tiptoes, lift yourself as much as you can. See, doorways are a standard height, so if your head touches the frame, it means you are a tall guy, at least 6 feet 1. If you can do this, stand on your tip toes and touch the frame, it means you are perfect for heavy lifting, deadlifts, squats, whatever. Now, what happens if you can’t reach the frame, if you are short guy, well, I’ll teach you a trick to fix that. Get one resistance elastic band and hang it from the door frame, since you can’t reach it, stand on a chair or a box. At this moment, place the elastic band around your neck and hang yourself until you die, there you go, an easy fix for your manlet problem, that way no one will ever say you are compensating.

[@joebloggs6922]

Bro😂😂👌

[@gabelonguinhos]

Got me

[@c.f9448]

Manlet bros we got too cocky...

[@noirdessaim]

Now that's a good post

[@cameronburnard2301]

The average athleanx fan vs the average Natural Hypertrophy enjoyer

[@Tee468]

We got a dog profile pic dude here

[@cameronburnard2301]

@@Tee468 haha, I accept that I am a jerk

[@BRO56002]

After he discussed the origin of the term "fan" it makes a lot of sense why the fan vs enjoyer meme works so well

[@brunocarneiro9688]

Loving the toilet series!

[@ollieolympus517]

French man in his closet tells you about hugging nuts for an hour and a half

[@waifuconnoisseur4789]

8:09 i believe the phrase you're looking for is "Natural Hypertrophy Enjoyer"

[@rajatsinha6607]

He's the modern day French philosopher. He's the jacked successor to the likes of Derrida and Foucault.

[@appleslover]

Nietzche fanboys here?

[@lednevnik]

I lift, therefore I am

[@U.F.O_0908]

To quote the book 1984: “The masses never revolt of their own accord, and they never revolt merely because they are oppressed. Indeed, so long as they are not permitted to have standards of comparison, they never even become aware that they are oppressed.”

[@gickygackers]

Fitness KZbinr vibe checks his viewers

[@Lolek080195]

Offtopic, but I use NH video's to "train" my attention span and fight it back from both my biological and moder world's ADHD. It works well, especially when it makes me go on a long walk with downloaded audio to sit through - one stone two birds. And I did that, using the videos, not thanks to them :) Now for me this isn't even a long one video.

[@atlaspowershrugged]

One of the most counterproductive things about the fanboy culture is when the fanboys don't actually practice anything that their idols preach, because they have them up on such an inhuman pedestal. Eric Bugenhagen and Kierekos Grizzly are peak examples. I'm not blaming them at all, they actually have very useful and interesting training ideas, but their fanboys never try any of them, they just yell MINDSET!!!!! and treat it like a And then if they ever see any other unconventional lift done by anyone else, they just yell MINDSET at that too, and it's like no guy, this isn't a mindset it's a great lift for improving your hamstrings glutes and low back, you should actually *try* it, to which they stare blankly. Through no fault of their own their popularity actually makes it harder in some ways to seriously advocate for unconventional lifting.

[@appleslover]

Teach me about fanboyism, daddy😍

[@pavelandonov3345]

I think you've got it wrong

[@appleslover]

@@pavelandonov3345 I think YOU have got my sarcastic comment wrong

[@thechimpmonkey7786]

i think both of you are wrong and didnt get each others joke

[@adamek9750]

Video topic on perversion, degeneracy and pornography?

[@benjalbert4101]

That would be interesting

[@NaturalHypertrophy]

soon (November)

[@FitLabb]

This was such an interesting & important video, & I loved the way you broke it all down & explained everything. I really have seen this happening since starting on KZbin, & it’s all a very real phenomenon. Really glad I took the time to watch this video, & really liked your perspective here.

[@amkool6135]

Thought on jason blaha claiming he is bigger than his client mikey

[@Loremipsum6665]

Jason Blaha is bigger than Arnold Schwarzenegger

[@hemingway3508]

He has an FFMI of 28, 30 inches quads, 18 inches arms and not bald.

[@pavelandonov3345]

No way he is bigger

[@blahasdirtysock3657]

Jason Blaha has more muscle mass than the Rock and is more ripped than Frank Zane was in his prime.

[@BrawnyKingFitness]

Fanboyism is normal now and something worse has emerged: Stans and armies. Many stupid KZbinrs and celebrities call their followers an army that is ready to protect them whenever someone exposes their evil deeds.

[@leedowling1448]

coming soon "ello utubbe" shirts its NH with a speak bubble just saying "ello utubbe" on a shirt

[@balakfnd1931]

I would pay $60 for one “ello uttube” shirt

[@danielgilbert8338]

I don't think NH is actually French. That's just the character he's created. Sells the frenchness too hard. Anyhow, good video

[@WillT-mo5bl]

👀 all the fan boys on this channel, I see you

[@appleslover]

@Hephaestus +1

[@gilby4495]

Irony

[@WillT-mo5bl]

@Just Some Guy without Pubic Hair none of your business pal

[@WillT-mo5bl]

@Just Some Guy without Pubic Hair Put some respect on coach's name or you will see, pal.

[@JorgeGonzalez-sx7fk]

@@WillT-mo5bl when someone clicks on your icon they can see your recent comments on this channel. it looks like you’re subscribed to him for the sole purpose of leaving derogatory comments. go get some help, pal

[@ybbob__]

all though I don’t agree with everything you say I have to respect that you truly don’t care what people think about your opinions even if they are controversial and would maybe cause some people to unsubscribe

[@therealdevo7894]

Yeah, I definitely felt that being a huge fanboy over G-shred and looked how that turned out. Anyway, I actually wanted to make an apology for calling you bitch at one point over that same fanboyism. I was way too abrasive at that point of time and wanted to protect my “idol”. I think your channel is pretty good. Not really my type but it’s a fine channel nevertheless. Hope you prosper in your future endeavors 👍🏾

[@abhisheksathe123]

This mans put more effort on this video than i did in my 4 years of engineering

[@nathanericschwabenland88888]

I have looked up on this platform power levels are biased because people fear what they do not understand

[@nathanericschwabenland88888]

This is why we need to go back to farming

[@PresterAdams]

unsubscribed when u said you wouldnt give me a powerful body even when you only needed to snip your hand :*-(

[@junaidm_0775]

Nh lead the way of natural free thinking bodybuilders.

[@ivelinapancheva3681]

Monumental work. Please, whoever ever ends up watching this video - share with as many as possible.

[@Abdo.R.Mohamed]

Before i watched the video . cause God i was just a BIG fan boy back then .. for "aThLeAn X" (one of the biggest disappointment i had in a person before) .. but i am so glad that the Fake weights stuff happened really .. cause here's the stages i went though as a former fanboy i respected Jeff a lot specially cause back then i HATED going to the Gym .. i liked to be "Athletic" as in body weight stuff , etc .. cause the Gym's to this day has "One size fits all plan" for all the people .. and Ofc it's the (Steroid Bodybuilding Bro split Machine based style) .. so i HATED that all i am doing is sitting on a machine moving my arms .. but with Jeff i discovered Compound movements .. also he seems like he knew what he was talking about .. so i got hooked ! fast forward .. discovered the Jeff nippard , jeremy Either and Dr.mike and when i saw them sometimes saying stuff different than what Jeff's saying i am like "Oh Oh cause they'r training for Bodybuilding not for being Athletic like Jeff does" ... (watta a fool i was) then the "Shredded" sports science , Alan robots that i was following and respecting (didn't know their was his bodyguard) .. then the video about (enkiri elite fitness) attack Jeff for living came out .. and i agreed like ye who's this guy and what does he know he seem like he never trained and hating .. fast forward to the fake weights stuff ... i Agreed with Alan's opinion back then .. ye fake weights for demonstration who cares BUT i saw Sean nalewanyj's video ... that he used Jeff's arguments and words against him ..i was like WOW he's right . plus Jeff always breached about "Oh u should have a strong core and never use belt cause it's not athletic" Lol .. yet when he lifted real weight he used a belt ... and "didn't leave his ego on the door and lift with perfect form and just dropped the weight" like he always said ... seen a lot more stuff that opened my eyes ... so i disregarded his info being legit . and followed him lightly with being skeptical ... but i was like (ye he lifted fake weight but let's not stretch it by saying he's not a strength coach come on he's knowledgeable) tell i saw the GVS video on enkiri elite fitness review .. andi was shocked . Like WOW that was the guy i said he's a hater and never lifted ... he's a MONSTER and he's really the one training like an Athlete not just a gimmicky word .. i stared following him and Curlen X .. and saw the whole picture and the whole story .. and people like GVS , Dr.Mike . Dr.austin baraki .. etc making fun of his info (breathing out before u squat and such) i was like ... OOOH DAMN he's the BIGGEST Clown that knows shit about fitness there is .. and the fact that he used to make fun of V-shred ... and he's a clown too ... i unfollowed him ever since and was SO SO DISSAPOINTED that i used to believe in him and just wanted to erase all his shitty info from my head ...

[@michaelthreepeat]

You pretty much wrote my own story. Even worse for me I wrote Ax freaking FAQ page, for free, not even 1% discount, and I felt happy yo have been chosen from my answer on his forum which is nothing but free marketing done by his fanboys. I feel embarassed at myself, 3 years later....damn

[@FacePullTiToX]

Unpologetic French man hangs his country's flag in a small bathroom only to encourage others to use the most important muscle for once... then Simon Panda uploads a new video with a juicy-looking thumbnail and a new batch of impressionable teenagers turn into FANboys to that which they want to become. People with no sense of the Self are vulnerable af in the era of social media. They'll either learn the hard way by wasting ridiculous amounts of money and time or they will fall victim of their own 'non-identity' existence for ever. Thanks for sparking this converstation within the fitness world. Keep it up, bro

[@possessedslig]

You see this a lot, these guys will defend their KZbinr to the death and perform mental gymnastics to defend their bullshit. Bizarre behaviour.

[@louisa.520]

on the aspect of you thinking you arent a good person for those "dark thoughts" that you have. I think that this is common amongst highly intelligent people and more of us than we all like to think have truly fucked up thoughts. It doesnt matter. You dont act like that

[@Ha-mb4yy]

Disagree, you can have healthy parasocial but agree that the healthy form will always result in detaching from the teacher. To fully adopt the good of a teacher you must for the sake of your betterment view them as superior, else how can you truly adopt the teachings and truly imbue them into your life? But, to give my example, as I found myself watching people like alphadestiny, Alan thrall etc I naturally exhausted the well of positive information they had to offer, realised they were just vessels conveying things which are already in nature which I could have discovered for myself if I had the experience (but they by chance discovered and i by chance stumbled across said things via their work), I also found myself detaching from them and now I feel like their content is beating a dead horse, like most shit on KZbin. I believe this is when you’ve “seen enough”, there is nothing more to learn. In a sense, “outgrew” them, like you outgrow your parents, to a lesser extent of course. However, like you say, KZbin and modern media definitely makes the path to that unhealthy form of the parasocial more streamlined.

[@NaturalHypertrophy]

As you've detailed, you reached a form of enlightenment that most will never attain, simply because they don't know that the cord was tied to be eventually cut

[@sir0nion]

I've had a theory for years that once a channel reaches a big enough subscriber count you know its over. The only way you can get that high of a subscriber count is by sacrificing what got you big in the first place and you have to start cranking out cookie cutter content. The comments become meme city. Look at MPMD's channel. NH at 15k subs talking about Fanboyism for 1.5 hours in what looks like a bathroom with a wrinkled French flag now thats content. I like the squat everyday guy's channel (Ivan Djuric) he's at around 35k, I'm worried he'll get too big and the comments will all be memes.

[@Ryan_2112]

I remember him having 80 subscribers. He went viral suddenly a while back.

[@TransformX]

Bleu Blanc Rougening

[@therealaaFireFoX]

Some good points made but you're glorifying individualism. The western world is currently suffering from unhealthy individualism. Tribalism is natural, its healthy, people want to belong to something. But I don't think that belonging to various online communities is healthy tribalism. Seek genuine friends, be someone others can trust. Surround yourself with people who encourage you but also compete with you.

[@NaturalHypertrophy]

Agreed with your points but would just like to correct one thing: glorifying individualism is by default a critic of unhealthy individualism. There is nothing wrong with the original value, only with what it has become in the West.

[@therealaaFireFoX]

@@NaturalHypertrophy If you were merely defending individualism I would view that as a critique of unhealthy individualism, but glorifying it is perpetuating unhealthy individualism. Individualism is good, it is healthy, but it is not a god, it is not something that will vastly improve one's life. As clichéd as it is, life is a balance of individualism and collectivism. The individual is nothing without the group, and the group nothing without the individual.

[@NaturalHypertrophy]

@@therealaaFireFoX I encourage you to watch the video I linked in the description, as these are my thoughts exactly. I struggle to understand how you can say that individualism won't improve someone's life while at the same time saying that you need to balance collectivism with it in order to have a fulfilling existence when the collective cannot exist without the individual. If no one focuses on their individuality, there will soon be no (healthy) groups.

[@ybbob__]

we need more individualism in the western world if anything American politics is the ultimate divider and it is a great way for the elites to control the masses the only way to destroy that system is by rejecting the idea that you must belong to a certain political party or ideology all that does is cause more hypocrisy because of how extremely partisan American politics is

[@Turglayfopa]

1:13:16 penguinz0 has mentioned this. he has people in his viewer base that ignore's the disclaimer "don't go an harass this person" and goes on hate crusades. even when the "god" orders the followers, there are fanatics who will act out their own will.

[@prelapsaria]

love the more philosophical videos. i think one thing that separates your content from other fitness youtube content is that you promote internal strength. have you seen the struccimovies video essays on parasocial relationships?

[@NaturalHypertrophy]

I don't believe so

[@finnvanhoutte366]

"you project your individuality on others" That hit me like a truck. For some reason I always assume others think and act in a simular way. I am 18 and no I don't have life experience but that doesn't mean I am an idiot imo. I am capable of logical thought. Probably to a greater extend compared to my peers. If I look at people at my university and listen to my friends and professors I have to conclude that my intelligence is relatively high. With that said the real problem is that I came to youtube to learn how to lift better and get better results. Compared to you, I don't know shit about lifting. This will make me believe anything you say is true. That is why I try to watch a lot of different channels. When watching to much of 1 person I have to take a break and stop watching them for a while. I understand you don't want a discord server but how about a server about spiritual/intellectual/philosophical debate about topics like this or just individualism? If you want to I could host it so you are not the person with the crown next to it. If you read this: where did you learn about this topic? You seem pretty smart but I can't believe you came up with this yourself.

[@varnlestoff]

I don't even know your real name. So how could I simp. Your videos are very informative though.

[@JordansAnalysis]

This video is such an eye-opener. After watching it, I realized that I’ve been dealing with parasocial relationships for a very long time. It seems as if this is a common affliction among those who use the Internet frequently(I would add that social media platforms such as Twitter and Instagram greatly contribute to this phenomenon as well). Thank you for uploading this. 👍

[@toobalkain]

hard truth. I heard some fanboys have it in so hard they're even sending money to their youtube "leaders", there's even a special platform for such simps, it's called Spermatreon or something like that, like Onlyfans but for content creators.

[@ronmka8931]

wow thank you so much for showing us the dangers of parasocial relationships you must be such a good guy

[@anonemoose102]

Ive essentially spent the last 7 seven years living chronically online and haing multille parasocial relationships. I am grateful to God for putting you in my life, you've helped me notice my negative mindset andnhave made changes accordingly. Much love.

[@chepesantacruz777]

celebrity worship? a random hippie jew that lived 2000 years ago comes to mind...

[@rasheemthebestfirstone3274]

Who

[@rasheemthebestfirstone3274]

Ik who you taking about btw was it that we worship him tho?

[@Obas1]

Yeah there has to be some merit to it, if it’s lasted for 2000 years

[@jonduke4748]

25:39 "If you believe in the natural whey, you believe in it! I am not the natural Whey, I'm just a guy on the whey! You're on the whey too! Look at your feet, there it is!" So profound *Drinks the natural whey.*

[@Devil-by5lt]

I think a good solution to not give away your control of your thinking to another person or KZbinr. Also if you don’t trust everyone, is to question everything including your own beliefs and what you think is true.

[@gainer448]

The last few sections were straight up hard facts. Everyone got slap on the wrist.

[@thedrifter3892]

Not to nuthug, I am new to your channel. I think this video is one of the most important for anyone using KZbin. Although it focuses on KZbin fitness, it can be applied to the whole platform.

[@MEAT-BASED-VEGAN]

You are fanboy to Blaha and you have fanboys to Blaha

[@pavelandonov3345]

Careful. With all these insults you might turn some of Greg's fans your own

[@motbot146]

I like the giant france flag just fucking hanging in the background

[@gainer448]

Top Fanbase on YT Fitness: M'Bloatlords

[@chrisblogs5115]

Some things depend on how you see them, to be fair. For example, there are people who think that they are above the creators that they follow. There were many videos of people talking down to youtubers "Hey I or my kids made you and you would be nothing without us so come here and take pictures with them" while they stalk them from outside of their house.

[@NaturalHypertrophy]

They made the God, they can destroy it too

[@LiverpoolfanINchina]

"Maybe I don't exist" gave me a good chuckle

[@nj8245]

Expected a fitness video Got instead a feature length film detailing the dilapidation of society resulting from the proliferation of parasocial relationships and a lack of individuality(ism)

[@dannyhitsprs9301]

37:37 " that guy making videos in his underwear is a god? thats what it takes to be a god?" quality ments haha

[@lSmokAce]

Turns out Osama Bin French called me out as the weeb i am

[@SacredBurn0ut]

I slightly disagree with your idea of fanboyism. I would argue that the idea of fandom can actually be a very positive thing. I am to find common ground with someone because they are interested in something that I also enjoy. Thus, a relationship has the chance to form. That is in fact how I found your channel because you have a similar love for the story of Berserk. But of course, there is a dark side to fandom as is with almost everything. Now however, what I do find interesting was my reaction to when you said "I am not a good person". I had an internal reaction where I thought perhaps you were just being modest or maybe my inner empathy had kicked in and told myself that there are more positive qualities to yourself than you let on. That could also be that I have unknowingly have created a parasocial relationship with you, but I find that unlikely because I don't look up to you or take everything you say as the word of God. I genuinely enjoy your content and you as a person i find interesting, along with your views and opinions

[@MV-ch3mm]

That which does not kill me brings me closer to death

[@Croissantrophy.meme.channel]

1:21:41 except Curlean-X, he call out the bs of bigger channels without showing his face. He does shows other well-known faces though...

[@ortiz9996]

Bro thank you for being this topic up. So many beginners and novices are such fanboys for C Bum on tiktok. it’s actually kinda scary how much they idolize a roider and try to train like him

[@pavelandonov3345]

Haven't seen much of the guy. Doesn't he trail like most other enhanced guys (high volume, high exercise selection, low frequency) or does he actually bring something of value?

[@nanonasone3113]

Cbum seems like a cool guy, but I would never train like him for obvious reasons

[@makaan699]

Idk if it's a standard thing on this channel but I wouldn't consider "a roider" an insult. Are PEDs really anyhow morally worse than recreational drugs, if they are a necessity to even compete at the highest level in any sport? Are they worse than altering your physical appearence surgically etc.? Of course enhanced training is different tho, that's a mistake not to realize it.

[@pavelandonov3345]

@@makaan699 I don't think he meant it as in insult. Just pointed out that it's not the best way to train like him if you are natural

[@davida5053]

Bro straight up released a fucking movie lmao

[@JD83000]

The haircut and the flag make you look very statesman like. Like you should be addressing the people’s republic of France on a matter of great importance.

[@breadqueen5351]

Whatever you watch it should be for your own benefit. I know that NH mostly talks about fitness stuff, and if he talked about something else I would probably disagree, but that doesn't mean there's no knowledge on this channel beneficial to me. I like the fitness and philosophy content on this channel and that's what I'm going to take with me and go on with my life.

[@killazelda]

I am reading Nietzsche's will to power and coincidentally this video feels like the first two parts applied to YT fitness. The t-shirt is kinda the cherry on the cake Very Baader-Meinhoffy

[@H-TownGamer]

This channel is really cool I like how it has a mix of fitness, mental health and addiction. like he gives to you straight

[@ZenModePhilosophy]

1 hour and 39 minutes long. NH embodies Abe Lincolns spirit for the fact he can talk and not lose his train of thought for a long period of time. This is how you know someone is well educated in their field.