Fanned fret, multi-scale basses are gaining in popularity. Why would you want one? Hopefully, I answer the question for you here. Comment with which B String sounded best to you. #dingwall #ibanez #fannedfret #5stringbass #bass
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3 жыл бұрын
even the non fanned fret bass had a great B string. The Dingwall B string was a bit boring, or more subtle sounding.
@craigmoran8933 жыл бұрын
Well you're easy to please - life must be great!
@nathansantos.n83 жыл бұрын
Maybe older strings on the dingwall
@scke37173 жыл бұрын
Dude, most B strings sound fine in open position, its a question of how the B sounds as you get closer to the 12th fret and whether it retains clarity..otherwise you are owning a 5 string only for the lowest 4 notes. If you want to play without the left hand stretch thats where you play the instrument...so it would have been nice to not just play the B in open position , doh!!
@Jeff.on.bass213 жыл бұрын
The blue one for sure (1505ms was it?) definitely had the clearest tone. Thanks for doing this.
@KPJohnson3 жыл бұрын
Yes, that’s the 1505MS. It’s my number one bass at the moment. Glad you enjoyed the video!
@boshi93 жыл бұрын
Ibanez 1505MS sounds amazing in this comparison. Aggressive, yet clear.
@i_make_sounds3 жыл бұрын
This video was the most helpful explanation of the advantages of fanned frets that I've seen so far. Thanks!
@KPJohnson3 жыл бұрын
I’m glad you found it useful!
@LowEndLobster3 жыл бұрын
Your best vid yet! Great job man
@KPJohnson3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! That means a lot. I've been taking notes and trying to improve.
@KPJohnson3 жыл бұрын
Oh, and you didn't answer the question. ;-)
@LowEndLobster3 жыл бұрын
@@KPJohnson I thought the dingwall had the best B, but what surprised me the most was the difference between the EHBs. The 1505MS sounded much closer to the Dingwall in terms of clarity, where the 1005 sounded a bit muddier with the 34". You hear some sympathetic frequencies or whatever they're called when you hit the B on the 1005, where the 1505MS and the Dingwall both had much more definition IMO.
@michaelanthony90682 жыл бұрын
Great video. I especially appreciated when you said, “Here’s the B strings again WITHOUT the commentary”. I needed that. I ordered an Ibanez GWB205 9 months ago, and it is my 1st 5 string and 1st fretless. The neck is a dream and has become my go-to bass. I’m deciding on a Ibanez FRETTED 5 string now so thank you for a very smart demo. Tho I don’t know which was the “best” B string.
@tmbrwn Жыл бұрын
I hear a difference, and I liked the blue bass the best, but I think that's because that bass has single coils with a nice sharp attack to them. I don't think it was the difference between scale lengths.
@bradsmith81935 ай бұрын
Low sounds best on dingwall, but I thought Ibanez sounds way better than standard 34. And I like the overall package of the Ibanez. But definitely getting a dingwall if I resinate with the Ibanez. I think both have a place.
@steverolfeca2 жыл бұрын
You can get a nice tone from anything with the right pickup and EQ. But from my first 5-string in the mid 80’s, I’ve judged B strings in terms of pitch definition at the first few frets, and tone up past the 7th to 10th fret. The longer and thinner the string, the more clarity. I played a 32-30 inch Ibanez today (EHB1005SMS), and with a touch of EQ, it had a nice tone on the low B. But when I played slow, sustained quarter notes, it was hard to tell a low B from a C, a C# or a D. Also, it got dark and mushy earlier as you went up the fingerboard. That’s where 37” Dingwalls always win.
@miguelr2463 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately they all have different pickups and electronics so it's not a comparison of "just" the scale length. However I kind of liked all of them for different reasons. I think the longer scale lengths had the stronger fundamental, but I weirdly thought that the 34 inch scale lenght had the overall brighter and more pleasing timbre.
@joshuaboucher5932 жыл бұрын
Came here to say exactly this.
@Iofflight78 Жыл бұрын
Yeah I wondered about settings and strings. I have a 1505MS coming because it was the same price as the 1005MS ( I debated the matte black with roasted maple because it's a looker and I could swap the pickups if the barts weren't cutting it ) However I'm sure I'll be happy with the Ocean Floor 1505..
@johnpaul56643 жыл бұрын
The Ding Wall had a lower souding B string... Loved the tone...
@davidpost42163 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate you doing this! I always wondered what the difference would be especially on the B string. The Dingwall with that 37.5” scale definitely has the best sounding B string. I thought about buying a Dingwall but ended up with a EHB1005MS.
@KPJohnson3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I have always been intrigued by the Dingwall and was lucky to be able to get my hands on one. I was originally smitten with the surf green EHB1005MS and wanted one of those. I fell into the EHB1505MS and am pretty happy with that one.
@MrAKbass3 жыл бұрын
The Ibanez 1505MS sounded the best (most clear) to me. I expected more from the DIngwall. Btw. I do own a EHB1500-DEF, it's a fantastic instrument!
@zackarysmith2222 Жыл бұрын
It doesn’t help that there is a difference of plucking location and that the Dingwall has some real dead strings on it
@stevepethel6843 Жыл бұрын
I thought the Ibanez sounded bright as or more bright than the others. Came back and it. the b strong on Dingwall sounded like a grand piano and Ibanez a baby grand piano. Both great.
@robertherrick67033 жыл бұрын
I thought the Dingwall sounded the best but I wonder how much the pickups had to do with it.
@peadookie3 жыл бұрын
Just had this thought: a disadvantage to the headless is that you can't hang it with a wall hanger. Small thing, but I like to have my basses out
@KPJohnson3 жыл бұрын
Actually, Ibanez have just enough of a flare above the nut to allow them to hang in a wall hanger. I have mine in hangers when I don't have them on my floor rack. I'll try to post photos.
@@KPJohnson haha! No way! I definitely did not see that as possibly happening! That's totally awesome!
@citizennozmeda72323 жыл бұрын
Hi the dingwall is 37" not 37.5". Each string advances in length by .75" inches. 34, 34.75, 35.5, 36.25, 37. Aside from that I would probably never have gotten a dingwall if I were dedicated to playing the lowest string at B or A#. There are too many easily obtainable options that sound great and can handle playing B or A# in their shorter length.
@domagojoinky82623 жыл бұрын
Dingwall is good for low F sharp tuning, but for low B, 34" bass is fine. Soundwise, I like 33 to 35 inch Ibanez the most.
@KPJohnson3 жыл бұрын
I think that's the biggest advantage of the Dingwall - being able to downtune and not lose definition.
@ahorseinahospital2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for making this vid, exactly what I was looking for!
@KPJohnson2 жыл бұрын
You’re welcome! I’m glad you found it useful!
@markpickardlife3 жыл бұрын
I thought the standard scale length B string sounded the best. It "sang" better in my opinion, but everybody has their own preferences. Thanks for making this comparison video.
@KPJohnson3 жыл бұрын
Thanks. Part of why I wanted to do this video was to show how each one sounds and to help people with notion that they "have to have" an extended B string. The sound of a 37" B may not be the sound you want or need. 34" may be the ticket.
@ts4gv3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video man, super helpful. Been considering getting every product demo’d in this video (including that Mesa amp).
@KPJohnson3 жыл бұрын
Can't go wrong with the Mesa and any of those basses.
@artisan337 Жыл бұрын
Because I couldn't hear any discernible advantage to the Dingwall having such a long scale B, I'm going with the EHB1505 as I think I like the overall sound of the Ibanez better.
@fistinair19793 жыл бұрын
Probably the Dingwall but it's tough because the pickups all have very different sounds to them.
@luckydougfergus2 жыл бұрын
I'm late to the party here, someone else I'm sure has already said this: At 5:50 approx. you had played the first two basses B string with downstrokes of your thumb. Then the Dingwall, you played up strokes with your index finger! HA! Do I win the internet today???
@DiogoBaeder2 жыл бұрын
The three basses sound pretty good, and I did notice a difference, for the better, on the multi-scale basses you showed. But I'm not yet convinced; I've never played any multi-scale basses before, and with the 5-string and 6-string basses I played I had a bunch of different experiences, from basses having weak or shallow B strings, to basses having amazing B string tones. The G&L M2500 for example has an amazing B string tone, and the Sadowsky J basses do have amazing B strings too, but I find myself getting a hard time getting a good tone out of 5-string P basses. So I don't think multi-scale is a necessity for getting good B string tone. It might help, however, if the B string scale length is big, like you showed us. One thing that someone should do at some point is to actually do a more-or-less scientific experiment on this; Maybe build a board with a few pickups positioned in different places, and tune the B string with different scale lenghts, like 30, 34, 36, maybe even 39, and then compare the results in a frequency spectrum visualizer to see how these variables change the tonal characteristics of the string vibration. Anyway, thanks a lot for taking your time to do the video 🙂
@bassist7182 жыл бұрын
I was searching for one of these basses and the Dingwall had such a great look, but the tone was a one-trick pony, the Ibane z, considering I was never a fan, I fell for the Ibanez 1506MS almost instantly! Great vid brother!
@KPJohnson2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I have ultimately settled on the 1506MS as well. I have a video on it as well.
@hdrghcftyhh24392 жыл бұрын
Not really a fair comparison because the dingwalls strings sound old and lifeless and the ibanez definitely had newer strings
@dusanzivkovic83912 жыл бұрын
Actually blue Ibanez sounds best to me. Incredible, I was kinda biased to Dingwall a lot :S
@GrandPapa163 жыл бұрын
You would need the exact same string/bass/pick ups for a fair comparison. That Dingwall sounded dead to me. And Novax didn't invent anything, some 16th century orpharions were multiscale.
@FunkadelicPancho3 жыл бұрын
We need a vid with distorted high end comparison between all these since that's probably why someone would even be buying a Ding in the first place
@clarencejones2397Ай бұрын
Why is the Dingwall so muddy? Although it's the longest scale. So the 1505 sounds piano clear and resonant.
@HondoFelder3 жыл бұрын
Cool vid brotha!
@KPJohnson3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@ew78943 жыл бұрын
great comparison vid! Dingwall definitely had the best the clearest sounding Open B. You can really hear the lack of tension in the other two. Didn't notice much difference in the double stops. I just returned an EHB 1506ms, the fanned frets playing in the upper register (love chordal tones in the upper register) hurt my fretting hand too much. The Nordstrands have a wonderful clear punchy tone. Disappointed I couldn't keep it. Thanks for doing the comparison.
@KPJohnson3 жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it. The Dingwall really shines with the low B. Personally the EHB 1505MS seems more balanced and comfortable to play. Too bad about your hand. I’ve never heard something like that before. Do you have an injury or condition?
@DasherWilcox3 жыл бұрын
I'm really surprised how dark the other 2 basses sound compared to the EHB-1005. It was definitely in passive mode? I've played Dingwalls, and they feel great, but I've yet to be impressed by the tone. I find them very bland and uninspiring. They probably have a technically better B string, but the overtones you get with the 1005 feel like they'd help you more in a mix (at least for my preferences). On both the B string, and the double stops, I preferred the 1005. It just sounded the most alive to me. This is surprising, as I don't really like humbuckers, and especially not Bartolinis. Ibanez should just go all in and make a bass with a 37" B.
@KPJohnson3 жыл бұрын
Yes, all basses were set passive. I was surprised by how aggressive the EHB1005 sounded passive.
@kablah19 Жыл бұрын
What pickup combination did you use with the basses? Only neck? All of Both? Only Bridge? Why was this not mentioned in the video?
@57precision3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the review Kevin. It takes a really good bass to dethrone a Dingwall, but the EHB has some great advantages it seems. It's significantly cheaper than the Dingwall, and way lighter. Under 7.5 lbs is ridiculously light for a 5 string. And the headless design let's you use any string, unlike the Dingwall. Also it seems the EHB uses standard soap bars, so could easily be modified with something like Fishman Fluence pups, unlike the Dingwall's proprietary shape. It seems the Dingwall might do extreme downtuning better, due to it's huge scale length.
@CheloWiiU Жыл бұрын
I'm a huge Ibanez fan. But, let me tell you, strings on that Dingwall sound like they're old and lifeless. So, maybe a fair comparison is to get new strings for all basses. Second, the blue Ibanez sounds more clear cuz the pickups are single coils and have more bite. But, sounds like the Dingwall is on passive mode, so to get more clarity the preamp needs to be turned on and Eq'd properly.
@nicholasse7enfold3 жыл бұрын
The longer the B string , the more "solid" it sounds.
@RonnyOnBass3 жыл бұрын
It just sounds deeper the longer the string. I really didn't care for the tone on the Dingwall. But it could also depend on the strings, their condition and type. I prefer the Spector Dimension bass. Sounds the absolute Best of ALL fan-fret basses.
@sethnicholls78613 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure which bass here has what string brand, gauge, material, etc..? But those details can have a huge effect, your end results with these basses by definition are going to vary a lot without addressing string details/not to mention what tuning they're used in. Not everyone is in, or likes A440 anymore ya know? Thoughts?
@KPJohnson3 жыл бұрын
Good points, as I should have mentioned the strings and tunings. Each bass was tune to A440, BEADG, which is still the standard. The strings are all NPS, but the Dingwall had Dingwall brand strings(.127 B), the 1505MS MJC Iron Works (.125 B) and the 1005 D'Addario XL (.130 B).
@Iofflight78 Жыл бұрын
@@KPJohnson Thanks for that detail it helps. I have a feeling the EBH1505 can be bright due to the Nordstrand designed pickups. I've got some TI rounds coming which I truly hope can suit these pickups nicely and give sound roundness and low mid punch. I don't like clanky tones and don't do hard rock or metal but I really wanted a 5 string MS.
@Warsel3 жыл бұрын
the basic sound of these basses is so different that it's difficult to compare but I was really surprised how great the B sounded on your 34". I guess that one also had more treble though. The dingwall has more 500hz-ish mids to my ear, maybe I'm wrong.
@Wombatmetal3 жыл бұрын
The Ibanez EHB1505MS sounded clearest to me, but then I'm playing an Ibanez SRMS805 right now and could be biased. I was expecting to be impressed by the Dingwall and I wasn't.
@PaddyMacNabh Жыл бұрын
Novak did not invent the fanned fret system. Fanned frets were used on lutes 300 years ago
@Jazzyexplorer2 жыл бұрын
There is a passive control on the Dingwall bass I know because I own one
@darkallyrecordings49313 жыл бұрын
The 2 Ibanez sounded the best. The standard scale sounded brighter and was a bit better to my ear, but Im also not a bass player. I'm a guitar player.
@brianelmer25113 жыл бұрын
Hi Kevin, thanks for the review. I have two 5 ers, an Indonesian Squier VM Jazz and a USA Dimension Delux. I know these are "Apples and Oranges" by comparison, but neither of the B strings "Wow" me, though as you would expect, the USA Dimension has better sustain. So for me, I would have liked to hear the B strings ring out to hear their sustain. The majority of the notes were cut short by the following ones or you just muted the note at the end of the demo. On the brief notes where you can hear a bit of sustain, the Dingwall seemed to be holding the note better, but it was a bit difficult to tell. The one thing I did get from the demo was that the sound of the Ibanez sounded "thin" for a B string. It may just be the Pick ups, but if so, that would be a deal breaker for me. A final question, what is the price of these two basses? are they similar value? Thank you - Subbed.
@KPJohnson3 жыл бұрын
Hi, Brian. The Dingwall definitely has more sustain. The 37.5 scale length really allows the B to “bloom”. The Dingwall is $2400 and the Ibanez is $1700.
@brianelmer25113 жыл бұрын
@@KPJohnson Thanks Kevin. That's good to know. I guess I better get saving. : )
@taylorchance43863 жыл бұрын
Great and informative video! I'm so torn on one of the ehb ms basses. I love the sea foam but I've heard the pickups are hit or miss. I almost want to make the extra leap in price, the tone of a Dingwall is unmistakable but it's a nice chunk of change to say the least.
@KPJohnson3 жыл бұрын
A lot of people don’t like the Bartolinis in the EHB1005. I don’t mind them and every time I’ve played the bass out I got compliments on the tone. The Nordstrands in the EHB1505 are much more full range. The Barts sound “darker “ by comparison.
@Exandria3 жыл бұрын
Hey bud, really don’t let pickups deter you from buying a instrument.you can always change them to your preference.a process a bit more complicated than a string change, but no more. I personally recommend buying the fishman soapbar pickups set. Their versatility and clarity are unmatched by any other pups on the market. If you desire a specific type of tone for a bass, it’s for sure possible on those pickups. Additionally, since they are made from stacked circuit boards and no traditional copper coils, they all sound identical. No hit or miss between pickups. They are all exactly the same.
@KPJohnson3 жыл бұрын
@@Exandria true. In most cases you can find replacement pickups and electronics to tailor the sound how you'd like. I think getting a bass that feels comfortable to play is the most important thing and then you can deal with the electronics later.
@frederickdoyon3 жыл бұрын
Surprised that I don't ear that much of a difference between the ebh1505ms and the Dingwall. You would choose the Ibanez over the Dingwall?
@KPJohnson3 жыл бұрын
It's all subjective, right? I like the Ibanez because it is light and feels better to me ergonomically. The combination of the multi-scale and the Nordstrand pickups with the preamp/passive tone work best for me. The Dingwall is awesome but I prefer the tone that I can get from the Ibanez.
@frederickdoyon3 жыл бұрын
@@KPJohnson good to know as it's 2 bass that I am looking at. Thank you!
@KPJohnson3 жыл бұрын
@@frederickdoyon Be sure to check out my in depth videos on the EHB1505MS and the Dingwall. Hopefully those help with your decision.
@frederickdoyon3 жыл бұрын
@@KPJohnson will do! Thanks again!
@DomHallBass3 жыл бұрын
A Bongo Music Man is a 34" Scale. I wonder why it sounds so much "better", "Body" has something to do with tone also. The Basswood/Maple in the EHB is very open and wide sounding with a lot of "thunk". The EHB with African Mahogany and Panga Panga Top on the EHB 1505 sounds more direct but held back by the bolt-on system causing a "spongy noise" which gets feathered into a bass freq. by the chambering systems in their body. The Dingwall has decided to work with the bolt-on system by tuning the bass way lower than the average mid-range frequency found on most bolt-on instruments. This causes the top end of each Dingwall note to have a bolt of attack on top caused by the bolts in the body which is modern and cool, Unfortunately, the neck is so large on a Dingwall Ng series that it usually sounds like a pattle which I like to have control over and can not be taken away. This keeps sounds clear but makes having a EDM tone unpossible. Somehow the Bongo Musicman Addresses all of the above issues using basswood and maple only in a nice comfortable 34" scale, it's kinda nuts! Tl;Dr I wonder what a Bongo Music Man B Note would sound like in comparison! *alt+tabs out and plays Dragon Ball Z*
@bjamminsincebirth34943 жыл бұрын
Personally I want to go E - High C.
@KPJohnson3 жыл бұрын
The fanned frets and multi scale setup on these basses is meant to be ideal for each string tuned B-G. I don’t think you’d want a 37.5” scale E string. You would most likely have to have one custom made. Ibanez is coming out with a “short scale “ headless fanned fret multi scale bass which might work better tuned E-C.
@bjamminsincebirth34943 жыл бұрын
@@KPJohnson yeah I would only get the standard one. I don’t think I could deal with the look.
@djentcommunion24223 жыл бұрын
@@bjamminsincebirth3494 Ibanez Bass Workshop BTB845V-ABL . This bass has low e to high c
@ianstrickland52803 жыл бұрын
i liked the fanned ehb best, dingwalls was boring and black ehb was good too
@dextacchino71403 жыл бұрын
B STRINGS!!!
@ever_grey44682 жыл бұрын
were strings new on all 3 bases?
@KPJohnson2 жыл бұрын
They were not all freshly new, but were all changed within in a month of the video.
@ever_grey44682 жыл бұрын
@@KPJohnson I see, thanks for the reply!
@henkehakansson20042 жыл бұрын
Nice video but not a fair comparison of any kind at all, and not even useful the slightest. What you REALLY should do - and I am still dumbfounded why not anyone has done this on ANY demo at all yet - is to change out the nut on the Dingwall to accomodate all B-string. Cut the nut slots to fit all low B's. Dingwall has the longest scale 37". Yes, all of the 5 strings should be a low B-string , same make/model and gauge. Only then you could do a fair comparison, because then all wood, all active/passive pickups, and the different scales for the same b-string, would be equal all across. It's not rocket science. If anyone of those basses, especially the headless ones should have a zero fret you could stick ANY gauge string on top of that one, and let all be low B's. Alas, Ibanez made a major gaffe on that one. Comparing different low B's at different scale lengths with different pickups even, wood etc, is kind of moot and futile, not to say quite silly. You could do the same with high G-strings only on one bass and not having to change the nut out because the other thicker nut slots will keep the thin gauge G-strings too. As someone said earlier, the low B traits are when playing higher up, not just open position, the notes doesn't stop short in sustain, and isn't as prone to knock out of intonation/tuning. They do not go up higher in pitch initially when leaning in and whacking the strings as with equal scale and shorter than 36". Shorter scales B-strings does. I have found that the low B string - regardless of gauge - just starts to sound decent enough from 36 inch scale and upward. The tricky part is to get hold of that long strings, they are not dime a dozen. So that's why Ibanez stuck with shorter scale, and headless because then the strings you buy will fit, whatever they are. But a slight concession, compromise in tone, and sustain... for the low B only.
@enchaus74183 жыл бұрын
I just looked up the specs, don’t read the specs! Unless the viewers are.....well....IQ under 70. Have a great week other than that.
@graphicmaterial59473 жыл бұрын
Nordstrand for president!
@KPJohnson3 жыл бұрын
Lol
@graphicmaterial59473 жыл бұрын
@@KPJohnson I just got the EHB 1005 MS and I sooo wish Ibanez had put Nordstrand's in that one too. Then I saw that LowEndLobster put Aguilar's in his. Which do you like best?
@KPJohnson3 жыл бұрын
@@graphicmaterial5947 they both have their place but I think I like the Nordstrands more. The Barts are a little darker and the Nords more full range. I’m liking the Barts in passive mode now.
@craigmoran8933 жыл бұрын
Nordstrand make the Dingwall Pickups.
@craigmoran8933 жыл бұрын
There's a fair bit of hype around about Nordstrand, but they don't make any better stuff than EMG, Bartolini, Seymour Duncan. All just different flavours.
@enchaus74183 жыл бұрын
kmn
@i-adonald14993 жыл бұрын
I love Multiscale. The Multiscale system has been around since the 1600s. The fact that it was patented is ridiculous. The first instrument was a bandora circa 1619 . It’s not known who invented it. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-scale_fingerboard.