Fans Are ANGRY At Men Of War 2

Why are people so angry at Men Of War 2?
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[@EnamoradoRage]

Gates of hell is just on a different level

[@gerardotejada2531]

And yet inferior to MOWAS2

[@solidbeard8324]

@@gerardotejada2531 How so ?

[@Grumpy_Englishman]

​@@gerardotejada2531Yeah how so??

[@Cody_Rogers]

@@gerardotejada2531Gates of hell is better when it comes to everything except for mods

[@Grumpy_Englishman]

@@Cody_Rogers still some pretty decent mods

[@nuster7816]

Of couse. The Steam forum was full of critic during the playtest but instead of listening they just deleted the posts

[@Legoman775]

yup and look where thats gotten them. The game is super dead.

[@nuster7816]

@@Legoman775 out of interest i looked the numbers up. Men of War 2 got 198 Players while Assault Squad 2 got 1000 Players. They should listen to the community

[@Legoman775]

@@nuster7816 yup

[@RichardPhillips1066]

People who are surprised haven't been paying attention to gaming news

[@antonkrieg3708]

The state of the industry is quite dire.

[@sharkk127]

I was planning on getting this, waited a day, saw the reviews and rimmys video, turned around, and went back to gates of hell

[@thencrranger5628]

sucks to be you

[@Overxpossed]

the bad you did... I bought the game and can't stop playing since then. I have also, almost 1000 hours in both, MOWAS1 and MOWAS2 as well, almost 300 hours in Gates of Hell. The negative reviews were wrote by retarded people.

[@Xobrind]

its being shitted on for no reason its actually good, watching rimmys video he just judged off of 2-3 rounds and pumped out a bunch of missinformation

[@NordicJarl27]

This is why I don't base my gameplay experience on youtubers opinions and reviews.

[@sylviagilbert8536]

yup. exactly.

[@varyagace]

Yeah you pretty much nailed it. There's no saving a recycled, failed live service game skeleton, reanimated to pretend to be a mainline sequel to the beloved franchise. They could literally have remade AS2 with all of it's previous problems but in the modern 64-bit engine and we would have loved it. They could have improved on the formula to bring something new, not even trying to be as hardcore as Gates of Hell. They did neither. Even if this new release WASN'T always-online, I'd still be disappointed at it. But it is, because again, it's just a recycled free to play game.

[@Overxpossed]

Buy the game first, it will prove you 100% wrong. If you don't like it you can ask for a refund.

[@smokejumper749]

​@@Overxpossedi played the beta and it was horrible and from what i can see its still exactly the same game with all those issues. I am not even talking about game design but all those bugs and all the jank and clutter.

[@Overxpossed]

@@smokejumper749 played the beta too and there is no comparisson point with the released version.

[@ppp-vz1mi]

Every Men of War game used a lot of recycling. It's 2024, a lot of games are live service now. Making a game use a diffrent engine isn't as easy as it seems. As we see, team behind MoW2 is pretty dysfunctional considering that barely anything changed in 1.5 year. You expect them to change engine? What's there to improve in this formula? They added coop support and you still mad. It either needs to be reinvented or kept as it is. From what I see it's strange that you dislike this game. It's just more Men of War... you didn't wanted it? Again, every Men of War is a recycled game... nothing changed!

[@trueblindman647]

@@ppp-vz1mi much games ar live service therfors fine

[@JannyBesmircher]

Its an inferior version of Gates of Hell

[@Overxpossed]

LOL WHAT I JUST HAVE RED!!! No man... you don't have any idea.

[@maverick8697]

Why?

[@Overxpossed]

@@maverick8697 because people is saying so... But these people have no criteria to compare. From the beginning, MOW2 has a better, updated rendering engine than GOH, so the first thing you notice that is better is the graphics section.

[@Legoman775]

@@Overxpossed you talk exactly like one of Fulqrums mod team, in fact i think you are one of them lol

[@Enterprise6126]

Graphics aren't everything i played both i perfer gates of hell for its game play​@@Overxpossed

[@dirtyjack6300]

Fuck me ..they really need to stop making the same game and inovate. Known it since Soldiers Heroes of WW2 and Faces of War and plays the same.

[@daverawlinson1594]

Literally everyone in the reviews says they have innovated too much, and they should have just made a remake of assault squad :(

[@dragonace119]

@@daverawlinson1594 A remake of Assault Squad on a better engine is litterally all they had to do and they still fucked it up hard.

[@Cl3arBubbles]

@@dragonace119 Well, the game has classic mode, so you can kinda experience a modern assault squad 2 lol, minus the sponginess of troops that as2 has and short ranges which made mp battles meh, unless you used mods like robZ.

[@dragonace119]

@@Cl3arBubbles Yet Classic mode is equally garbo as realistic.

[@Cl3arBubbles]

@@dragonace119 nothing will please you ppl lol, what's wrong with the classic one? Game is superior to as2 from every perspective.

[@bertreynolds8146]

I was watching someone play and the voice overs is what got me. I couldn't believe how bad they were for a game in 2024

[@daverawlinson1594]

I loved every part of it but the shade of green on some of the grass on one of then levels was slightly off. So left a 'would not recommend' review. I'd played for almost 7 minutes.

[@rrai1999]

@@daverawlinson1594 This joke doesnt work because voice overs for units are a major part of the game

[@Cl3arBubbles]

who cares about voices in a game like this. The axis ones sounds fine to me, the usa ones are alright, then again english is not my main language so it's probably why I'm not so picky about it, Just lower vol or get over em, nobody plays these games for the voices. That's just another thing those that bash mow2 like to bring up, as they all do, bring only negativity and disregard anything good.

[@Varichan]

@@Cl3arBubbles the voicelines are one of the most important part of RTS games, because you hear them thousands of times. There is a reason, why the most memorable RTS games also had the most iconic voice lines for their units.

[@Cl3arBubbles]

@@Varichan they re alright in this game, i play axis and they sound fine, think there s an workshop mod that supposedly changes the voices around as well

[@sylviagilbert8536]

Unfortunately, Gates of Hell has been out for a while, and MoW 2 missions, music, and even skins are available as free mods. MoW2 is cartoony.

[@Overxpossed]

How it coul be cartonish if the visuals, therefore, the rendering engine is much better than in GOH.

[@sylviagilbert8536]

@@Overxpossed Perhaps arcadey would've been a better term.

[@ComandorPotato]

@@Overxpossed rendering engine doesn't determine art style direction or unit behaviour.

[@Overxpossed]

@@ComandorPotato No? Oh wow... What I was missing! Damn... wow... Potato is so brilliant...

[@toothbrush6969]

@Overxpossed ur only defense is the graphics what about the insane server wait time the horrible ui and every other problem

[@Legoman775]

to comment on the feedback part, its because of Fulqrum publishing that systematically hunted down anyone that had anything negative to say about the game and either banned them or harassed them.

[@johan13135]

To be fair with nothing new in MOW 2. They basically haven't changed anything since their first game back in 2004. UI, units, game engine, etc. It's all basically the same, with only a slight improvements on each iterations

[@DopeFiend]

that game engine is trash

[@Cl3arBubbles]

It's a good formula. Changing it too much would make a different game. Mow2 is different from all aspects and in no way "a small upgrade" form the previous games, while it still maintains the main formula. It's a better game than MowAs2 especially for multiplayer enthusiasts. AI is also better which would make single and whatnot a better experience. Plus more mods are coming.

[@John333Scout]

@@Cl3arBubbles Whats better because with games like this there are 2 things the community usually cares about and its graphics and scale and neither improved in my eyes and if so its so marginally that it doesn't matter. Id expect the graphics to literally be night and day different and id expect the scale to be 2-4 times greater with bigger maps and better engine to handle more units

[@Ishen32]

Call to Arms - Gates of Hell Ostfront Is soooo soooo much better and it is pretty realistic and the sounds to gameplay is so much satisfying but the only downside is you gotta buy the dlc's to get the new factions and missions and etc .. but still worth the money ..

[@dungnguyenkhac7340]

nah, GoH sucks. It runs on an ancient engine which is prone to crashing. The most common crash you would encounter is "failed to allocate memory error" lol

[@Revolutionary_Fish]

That's not the game faults... That's an computer issue😅 Anything wrong with your ram? Or install too many mods, responds and see if we can troubleshoot it.​@@dungnguyenkhac7340

[@LLachs283]

​@@dungnguyenkhac7340 the game has below zero polish. Its so buggy and halfly finished at every function it offers, while selling dlc for 30euro feels like an insult

[@tavish4699]

@@dungnguyenkhac7340 i have 1000 hours in gates of hell and never had a single crash EVER! menawhile assault squad 2 constantly crashed

[@Dhurnam]

​​@@dungnguyenkhac7340 Speak for yourself, lol. *Never* even gotten that crash one time with hundreds of hours into it. Get a better PC & quit whining.

[@dreamer5428]

7:30 damm that tank brought enough ammo for the whole army💀

[@siedzihector9938]

for me during beta tests mow2 had few problems. 1. issues with server stability. 2. players focused on ww1 trench warfare. 3. artillery spam with tank rushes. 4. problems with soldiers inside buildings. 5. fellings that gameplay is more casual.

[@SirJellyBean]

Gates of hell just is far superior and with more DLC on the way I don't see Men Of War 2 ever comparing .

[@Cl3arBubbles]

Well GOh came in 2021 . Mow 2 in 2024. Let's give it a few years and see no?

[@fisklars3579]

I like the trenches.

[@grug6682]

Just make sure they don’t get hit by any kind of High explosives. Because they will miraculously undig themselves

[@TheRingoism]

I think the trenches look narrow and cheap, like they're from a mobile game, I like how fluid they are but wish they looked different, but that could be said about a lot in this game

[@Goofyahmapper]

i'm just gonna stick with Men of War Assault Squad 2

[@RHaenJarr]

It just looks like if the devs didn't know Gates Of Hell exists

[@ayuvir]

Why not just play gates of Hell? I've seen so many people being against GoH when it's probably the best MoW in the market atm.

[@kloon9699]

The discourse surrounding Gates of Hell is really toxic. People praise it to high heaven or really dislike it. Personally, I think it has great graphics and a good atmosphere, but it is badly optimized, buggy, and has really bad AI (which is something the entire series suffers from). I also wish they expanded the dynamic conquest mode. It is bare-bones, and the AI cheats extensively.

[@ayuvir]

@@kloon9699 Honestly, I don't think people can complain about optimization after all the updates. My rig is 5 years old and sure, when the game came out, it struggled, explosions made my computer choke and obviously the missions would have issues with scripting. But nowadays it runs really well, I haven't compared it to MoWAS2 but I'd say it should be around the same performance for a much more graphically demanding game. The AI, I agree, has always been an issue with these games. And I don't know how the could improve on it. these games are very hard to code especially when the player can control individual units but the AI can't. And yeah the dynamic campaign could use some work. It's annoying that you have to choose an opponent and stick to fighting them. I'd rather have battles vs random opponents. It's still quite a fun mode that extend the life of the game. There's only so much that you can get off the skirmish mode and multiplayer is a personal choice. What I hate to see is attitudes like one of my Steam friends. Keeps complaining that MoW2 is crap but if I tell him to try out GoH he goes into a frenzy about how the game is dogshit. he hasn't played the game since the release and there's been tons of free stuff added to everything since.

[@oneway9460]

​@@ayuvir there's no reason to play goh, really. There's no dedicated servers so mp is literally unplayable, and company is just defend/attack for 40 minutes straight. Mow2 is really bad game, but it at least has matchmaking, so i don't have to find a match for 2 hours with laggy idiots and single player campaign is much better in mow 2

[@ayuvir]

@@oneway9460 if you say so. The issues you describe happen in mow2 too so I can't help but think you're biased.

[@oneway9460]

@@ayuvir wdym "same issues"? Mow2 has matchmaking system, so each time i find the match in 1-2m or less... It's impossible with lobby system. I don't really care about goh shitty campaign, but combined with lobby mp system i really can't play both mp and sp properly... If goh had dedicated servers then, obviously, there would be no reason to even play mow2. Unless they do i can't even say that goh is a "game". I had much fun playing goh with my friend 1v1, but that's it... I can literally have same experience with robz realism mod in AS2. I think many people hate it for same reason.

[@aarondanaher9426]

3:20 It might be 5 player co-op. I'm pretty sure so. The battalion mode is 5v5 pvp and pve and I think that extends to the other content when creating lobbies. The player count is one of the things I like, given that it takes even more heat off players who might want to use support style tactics like recon, fortifications, time for logistics and whatever else.

[@death22_fighter27]

My issue is there isn’t a First person down gun sights I really loved that with Call to arms, and the Stupid CP on campaign like bro what do you mean I can’t capture every single tank and vehicle

[@sickmit3481]

I chatted with some of their devs and community managers and told then what would be bad about the game but all they said is "but lool we have this cool system now" everytime i brought something up.

[@ethanforster]

Call to Arms might be published by Digitalmindsoft but it is not part of the MoW series it is a spiritual successor

[@kabob0077]

Gates of Hell meanwhile is Barbedwire and they're IIRC mostly modders.

[@loyaltyisroyalty5616]

7:30 Did that turret get blown off out of earth’s atmosphere?

[@AlexPlayerDigital]

Great video,. Are you using a.i to adjust your audio? sounds very odd in places. Gargly/ai-ish.

[@peterhowe547]

Is the campaigns good tho. i dont want to play Multiplayer, just for the campaigns.

[@jdwohlever]

Everything has to be multiplayer now for people to care it seems. Annoying as heck is the that someone will spend 20 minutes talking about the MP parts of a game and barely brush on the single player. So tired of it.

[@peterhowe547]

@@jdwohlever exactly.

[@dakotameredith625]

Seems like most people bitch about the multiplayer .I have every single game from this franchise. I think this is a decent game. Is it what I was expecting no. But it's not as bad as everybody is saying, especially on steam. I found a lot of the negative reviews where like b.s. I. Think a lot of people were expecting a assault squad 3 kind of game and they didn't get it.

[@thatseawing6180]

ngl i love men of war 2 cause the graphics are way better than assault squad 2 and you can dig trenches, i love german tanks also i may have pirated the game. maybe.

[@sallarizza645]

The hottest garbage to come out in 2024, they literally just needed to remaster assault squad 2 and add a few maps 😂

[@hehkod9841]

They could have learned from Payday 3's always online flop but no they didn't

[@Cl3arBubbles]

Game promised an offline patch coming, since ages. Idk why these youtube vids still regurgitate that info without correcting it.

[@vonblunder]

2 minutes of unskipable adds? wtf? wtf?

[@Fauz-fa20]

0:12 is that Silent Heroes or Soldiers? Also 0:24 is FoW?

[@AR-GuidesAndMore]

If you are looking for more realistic combat game, you might want to take a look at the Combat Mission Series, Healthbars dont exist there, its however absolutely unforgiving, when you make a mistake, And it really leans into the direction of a hardcore tactic simulator. It can be played real time or turn based (We-Go). Maybe best description would be if ARMA was a strategy game. Its however an older game, but when you get used to the U.I. and the way you give orders nothing compares, the simulated detail and scale is yet unmatched.

[@Pikilloification]

Health bars exist in every game, CM just doesnt display them. And honestly, I wouldn't give Battlefront a dime until they update their engine. Been milking it with exhorbitant prices for too long now...

[@Rokeen-Zeboss]

I thought gaming companies learned not to make games permanently online

[@LLachs283]

But how can they kill the game then, when they need you to buy more stuff

[@Grumpy_Englishman]

Having heath bars on vehicles is a no go u can turn them off but they are still there u just don't see it

[@darkranger116]

imagine being a dev of a hyper-niche genre WITHIN a niche-genre, and unironically putting 15 year old defunct mechanisms (always online) into your product

[@Cl3arBubbles]

imagine not actually doing a bit of research and realize that they've promissed an offline patch, which makes all whining useless because we're all online 24/7 with no ceasing on that. So whining about that while offline was announced just shows ppl need to whine about something.

[@prod.hypnale]

The creators of Men of War could have kept everything as it was in Men of War: Assault Squad 2, just improving the graphics, textures, engine, animations, and adding more objects, items, vehicles, realism, and ragdoll physics for soldiers. That’s it - it would have been the best-selling game ever! Gates of Hell is the savior of this franchise, though the downside is that it has few factions and a somewhat empty workshop. However, everything else is amazing, and you can even play in first-person mode. Using the editor, you can recreate a true Call of Duty 2-3 vibe!

[@tifauk]

Always online regardless of single player. God it's Sim City all over again

[@gsauto8588]

You can get non at soldiers 1 at a time every 5 minutes. And expect to play like this. It sucks.

[@mauricehinton5889]

It seems to be the new normal, that games released in "not ready but playable" or "monthly patches and updates" states. MoW2 seems like it will follow that same path. I understand a lot of the frustrations, but I still have hopes for it and I expect the overall game to improve in the coming months and years when updates are released.

[@MilvuSe]

Men of war was the first strategy game i played. i was 5 or 6 years old that time. And when i played this game every time i fell in love with it's storytelling campaing with all that animation and cinematics. Just imagine a Strategy game connects a one soldier, alexei kuznetsov (name could be wrong) with the player himself. I guess there is no other rts game doing that at least i never played one. With the assault squad men of war lost it's soul with campaigns that there is no story behind it and with the same map/mission logic but diffirent cosmetics and factions. Even Gates of Hell lacks that connection between story and player. Men of war should be men of war again and stops to trying to be like Company of Heroes and they must start to make great campaigns with personified storytelling, gameplay and cinematics.

[@whathm9077]

Developers: "Okay, how about we make this game worse?"

[@theartificerchannel2110]

well said but it hurts this could have been so good but now GOH will overtake them easily

[@thegoodboy4699]

it bafels me, like 12 years ago simcity 2013 (my favorite game of all time, of course) has started this always on bs, it NEVER worked NOT EVEN ONCE and still they go "maybe itll work this time" what is it with the always on, PC's get better every year but i guess rendering a standart game is now too much to ask of an average player or what? And achivments? bru you do not need a always on for achivments, if youre really not connected just wair untill you are again and itll probaly count it anyways.

[@Lpd7374]

I view it as an optimized template of AS2 which will grow with modding. I think with some mods there is great potential here.

[@Flamable85]

always online is to prevent piracy

[@Kastrenzo74]

Unfortunately, men of war 2 already came out a year or two ago, its called gates of hell.

[@Kastrenzo74]

Call to arms was made by the same people who made MOWAS and MOWAS2. There are basically 3 or 4 companies involved here. Best Way, From Ukraine, the original developers. they made the predecessing game called Faces of War. as well as MOW, MOW Red Tide, and MOW2. 1C, A Russian publishing company that Bestway used to work with, I think they were directley responsible for some of the spinoffs like vietnam, and Condemned heroes Digitalmindsoft, a German company that made MOWAS, MOWAS2 and CTA Barbed Wire, a Spanish company that made Gates of Hell, but couldn't or wouldn't purchase the licensing fees for the engine, so the game was put under the digitalmindsoft Call to arms umbrella.

[@Kenzxo99]

I thought it was going be like men of war assault 2 but it even worser

[@VitaminsB1212]

The game also just looks really bad graphically, if anything it almost looks worse than assault squad 2, the animations of some of the models are just awkward and stiff looking also the Voice Acting is just tragically bad, at least from what I've seen of the US VA

[@njfdeuS]

Usa voice acting is so cringe but ussr/germ is decent tbf

[@Cl3arBubbles]

lol i don't think you have played the game if you call Assault squad 2 better looking. Also go play a round of AS2 online then mow2. First of all, in MOw2 units are not bullet sponges, tanks don't fire up to 100m and soldiers don't need to be at rifle length to shoot eachother.

[@VitaminsB1212]

​@@Cl3arBubbles lol spot the angry game dev! Good job reading my comment, I clearly said "almost" and yes, I have played AS2, a game with nearly comparable graphics that came out years ago. There's absolutely no reason for this gsmr to look this bad in 2024.

[@Cl3arBubbles]

​@@VitaminsB1212 come back after you've played mow2, the graphics are far from comparable to Assault Squad 2, you probably watched youtube and not really played it. If you claim the graphics are "so bad" then you're clueless. RTS games should look like cyberpunk innit?

[@EternalRevenue97]

GoH just feels more dynamic and like a Hell Let Loose RTS, MoW2 feels cartoonish and arcade like as if it had a baby with Enlisted and War Thunder

[@Cl3arBubbles]

Feels? But genuine question, have you played mow2 or that's your opinion based on youtube. Idk what realism is to some people but by default tanks in mow2 can shoot across the map, that's far from "arcadish", it has the same system of modular components on vehicles. Ai is better, units can shoot and fire etc. So idk how that makes it arcadish. Please don't even mention the "HP" bars.

[@EternalRevenue97]

@@Cl3arBubbles I have played it so Idk where you are trying to get at?? Gates of Hell is on so many greater levels, sound design perfect, if you believe if I'm refering to MOWAS 2 no, MOWAS 2 will always have a place in my heart, not this new game where you have absolutely no offline support yet I'm still clinging hoping they push this new development team to go further I aint give up on it, yes it's a new game, yes it's still whatever game companies call "early access", yes there are plenty of bugs within the game with certain units you are trying to utilize, sound design wise it doesn't sound as great. Definitely does feel recycled for the amount of time they had and many people anticipating this game.

[@michas_schizo]

Faces of War was and is debesta game of the franchise.

[@KaiserTwo]

0 Russians in multiplayer. Not. Authentic.

[@jdwohlever]

"The single player is fine but the multiplayer"... stop.. just stop. Does everything have to be about multiplayer now? No, no it doesn't.

[@christianbethel]

💯👆☝️

[@Fooflinger]

As someone who owns all three games, I'm already really digging MoW 2 and all the changes it brings. I've had no disconnects so far, and 90% of Rimmy's video and opinion is based on the non-realism game mode and therefore practically useless (like most of his content tbh). I've played nothing but realism so far and while some vehicles do need their speed tweaked, it's still brutally authentic. It adds light base building, Tons of new ways to fortify defenses, a dedicated trench system that you paint like a road in Sim City, amazing animations compared to even Gates of Hell, squads can finally move and fire, scouts are given new mechanics to be more useful, multiple different air strikes, a TON of single player content: 3 story campaigns, 3 campaigns more in the style of AS2, 4 long term procedurally generated campaigns where you research new units as you fights on (I LOVE this) and a smaller version of that mode that called Raid. I haven't even touched PvP yet and people are saying it's an improvement. Honestly think the negative reviews are blowing things out of proportion. No excuse for the always online or for putting the realism mode under package options, but other then those two problems which never affected me, it's really a great sequel.

[@Overxpossed]

Rimmy's wasn't yet born when I was playing Blitzrkrieg.

[@Bobo-de3il]

Agree 💯. I’m really enjoying this game so far. Just give it some time and it’ll only get better.

[@Overxpossed]

@@Bobo-de3il exactly... it took me about 10 hours probably, to figure out that the game gets better. Of course, I fugured the game worth my money in less than the free 4 hours.

[@stormy1055]

2:57 Most of the complaints by fans and players for Mem of war they were expecting a better and improved version of assault squad 2, but they just saw Men of War 2 as slightly improved graphics and removed some of the beloved features and mechanics Rimmy also had a couple of minutes featuring the realism modes so I think you need to go check it out again😅, and half of the complaints were the game had bad sound designs, too similar of modes, bugs and the main one is it being to arcade like COH with minor people bashing the game as they called it "half assed by the devs" due to it having Little actual content that can entertain you sure there are battalions and all but those are literally the same game modes with minor changes and conquest which they copied from GOH I heard from an article but they changed the research and recruiting system to make it"unique" some people also say there is little to no difference and no innovation in MOW 2 how about this analyze Assault squad 2 and MOW 2 as you can see they have nearly everything the same but with Assault squad 2 it has more better mechanics that MOW 2 removed and for MOW 2 against Assault squad 2 is the graphics difference. I'm not trying to change your opinion just telling why people think MOW 2 isn't worth it and is a real slap to hard-core fans. 3:05

[@Overxpossed]

@@stormy1055 Agree on that, the devs could make it much better, but I won't think they didn't just because they didn't want. People mostly complain for the internet connection thing.

[@sanse7370]

I still from time to time play assault squad 2. Love the game, modders are extremely passionate to keep the cogs cogging

[@daverawlinson1594]

I think the game is excellent. I also think the many people writing 'All they should have done is released AS2 with new graphics', would in reality have been disappointed if they did. So many review on steam from people that absolutely hate it, play time, less than 6 minutes :( Also secretly most people ACTUALLY hate always-online because it makes it really difficult to pirate. But no-one can say that out loud.

[@Cl3arBubbles]

yeah and that's not even an inssue because they announced offline coming, but these youtubers like to spread bs.

[@you-are-the-tharpsters]

I’m gen alpha I did not grow up with early MOW but I play one men of war game and also the gates of heck game. I might get MOWll change my mind

[@Hansiwansi]

My favourite is gates of hell. Can't wait for the next DLC.

[@eyecatcha27]

Got the game on release day. First timer in the series. The controls are overwhelming. The ai is definitely legit. Been playing a week on the campaigns and still getting my ass kicked but im getting better. The only negitive are its a little buggy with things just disappearing. To many useless intros that are too long. It could also communicate what needs to be done in the missions better as there can be several objectives. Overall though, its fun and i have logged in for a least a little bit everyday.

[@gwynbleiddroach2589]

I am also a first timer. The controls are a bit much but I'm used to being overwhelmed from games like stellaris. I did t like the game the first 3 hours, but I kept pushing and I now look forward to everyplace session. I think once you start getting passed the UI, the game becomes very enjoyable.

[@deeawn6051]

Gotta say I'm really enjoying this game. 20 hours in so far. Overall the gameplay is improved and smoother. Yes there are some things that I would like for them to fix, but on the whole it is a better experience than Men of War Assault Squad 2. I think the best part is the battalions/regimens system that brings in the deck building aspect, and becomes even more fun when you are teaming up with friends and building decks complimentary to each other.

[@mhttymythic9498]

I would agree

[@MlgKronks69]

I agree, most people who are whining havent even played the game. And me as a GOH and MOW2 owner can say that mow is better.

[@Overxpossed]

@@MlgKronks69 I have +600 hours between MOWAS 1 and 2, plus +600 hours in COH3 plus almost 300 hours in GOH, almost 70 hours playing Men of War 2 sinceit was released and I can say Men Of War 2 is the best RTS of all times.

[@Overxpossed]

True... Since I installed it I have played about 70 hours sinec it was released, so that¿s about 10 hours per day.

[@smokejumper749]

​@@Overxposseddo you get payed by the devs to comment on every piece of criticism? Wtf

[@lewis8775]

Luckily you can spend hours in the editor.

[@tomd3264]

Another example of a developer dying. They Remind me of EA and Battlefield 2042. That's okay. Gates of Hell will own this, and it's their own damn fault they will lose the player-base.

[@nupe19865318]

I get legitimate complaints, but complaining about only having three factions in the first full week of launch is insane. GOH took a long to get its 3 countries, and the USA came at the beginning of the year. Also, if you don't want HP bars on the tanks, turn on realism mode. I can understand your other qualms, but those are ridiculous.

[@stormy1055]

Then why make the arcade mode the default mode when they know their entire community wants realism?

[@nupe19865318]

@@stormy1055 okay. Why does it matter? Turn it on. Does it do something to psychological?

[@igormsh14bidevisualizacoes45]

No "realism" "classic" mode bullshit, the game should be realistic at its core. That should've been the base game and that should be the main focus, not a "game mode" which will be forgotten as it is easier to lean to more arcadey players.

[@stormy1055]

@@igormsh14bidevisualizacoes45 THIS GUY GETS IT!!!!

[@jacksheldon8566]

a BIG chunk of those "fans" are just GoH haters spewing BS. speaking of misinformation... first of all, there is lots of differences between this and mowas2. some positive and some obviously negative. but out of the positive, they did innovate on the gameplay and QOL quite a bit. to name a few, infantry can now run n gun, auto hope fences and walls, dig modular trenches, stay in formation, vehicles can entrench themselves, buildings are kinda usefull now, uints can retreat out of the game to be called another time, airstrikes!! and more... it is 5 player coop. yes, i miss the commonwealth. but GoH had only 2 factions at launch. its not COH3 with 10 units per factions. we still have enough units per faction here so that they feel complete enough. i am with you on the always online part tho. even if i play the campaign in coop. there is a similar HP system in GoH. previous mow games also had hp on tanks. (even if mowas2 had RNG). HP in mow2 is purely visual, can be disabled in the options, and the realism setting don't show hp. this argument against hp on tanks is stupid! UI is ugly, yes. but wtf are you talking about it making no sense? it is serviceable and all buttons are usefull. and in all honesty, it is less intrusive than in mowas2. especially the minimap! they did ignore most issues we had with their new battalion gamemode. but instead, they created a new one called classic with a new setting called realism. and that classic realism is exactly what us, mowas2 players, asked them. yes it is not perfect. but if you hate battalion that much, just don't play it. there is other gamemodes out there. we are forced to play with the battalion system for singleplayer tho.

[@Traster_Bean]

Unpopular opinion but as someone who has grown up playing Men of War games my entire life I've really been enjoying Men of War 2, and I have assault squad and GOH, but MoW2 feels fresh, especially with air support.

[@Shortmansam1993]

I mean, in what way is it fun to have to manage equipment on the individual soldier level? I get the appeal of managed logistics, but micromanagement at that high level is just tedious.

[@meadows-GFC]

thats the appeal of every game in the series tho. We like tedious. This is just stupid. MOWII is the least tedious in the series. Go to gates of hell and it gets even more tedious with each faction having their own ammo types so you cant even loot enemies for rifle ammo

[@leofwulf268]

man the game would be fine if they didn't build their long awaited sequel using what was left of the obscure mobile ass type game they had going like come on they own gates of hell all they had to do was USE WHAT THEY HAD THERE, they could avoid so many headaches regarding the "singleplayer patch" just by not going with that base for their game like that's the whole reason why the "always online" is a thing, simply because the game they used as a base wasn't made to be launched offline so they're making that mode from scratch

[@johnelliott7850]

Oh, good grief! Well, I suppose videos like this provide a sounding board for the usual GOH attack squad. Personally, I've played Soldiers: 'Heroes Of World War II', 'Men Of War', and 'Men Of War: Assault Squad 2', and I really enjoy playing this.

[@John333Scout]

When i look at Men of War 2 it takes me a min to even realize its a 10 year sequel to Men of War Assault Squad 2. I find it hard to see what they upgraded or made better!. . . . Like I know what I was expecting, better graphics and bigger scale with better game engine to handle the massive scale of units and size of maps. What we got I cannot tell from the graphics that its really any better, and the scale seems to be the exact same as Men of War Assault Squad 2, so what is the point of the game? They made a new game of the old game that has bugs and issues that the old game did not, with no significant improvements and less variability, units and factions ...... like it is literally a downgrade from MoWAS2 in some areas and equal in others. I fail to see where it is a upgrade!? What am I missing???

[@Valen7141]

Isn't it funny how the same people keep defending Men of War 2 over and over again? If it IS true that tanks have health-bars and not at least more than just tracks being broken, then I'm already not down for it. Plus the Steel Division over-time call in system is just... not men of war at all. Gates of Hell is not perfect, but considering it and AS2 already exists... why get Men of War 2? It's like having Halo 1, Halo 1 MCC and Halo 1 Remake. WHY get remake unless it's actually... like an innovative and interesting game besides like ONE feature?

[@quimble2177]

MoW2 has one very big issue. Why get MoW2 when Gates of Hell exists

[@ANIMshit]

because gates of hell cost about 80 buks and its multiplayer is dead, i like men of war 2 lot more

[@JD-dm1uj]

Because it’s actually the better game

[@stormy1055]

​@ANIMshit the game is cheaper than MOW2 when it's on sale. It's basically 5 bucks only and it's dlc around 3 to 6 while MOW2 is gonna sit around d on sale for still 20 bucks

[@JD-dm1uj]

@@stormy1055 The more I play MoW2, the better it gets, it’s damn good and extremely underrated.

[@ANIMshit]

@@stormy1055 goh on sale cost almost the same as mow2 with out sale.

[@oliverstianhugaas7493]

I remember playing *Outfront: Heroes of WW2!* That was a good *Faces of War game*, whops i mean *Men of War game.*

[@Bubbasniper91]

This was the reason why I bought a new pc and well, I was disappointed, to be honest but yes, I like the game. The genre of the game went in a different direction and my opinion is not as good, as I thought it was going to be.

[@infantryblack]

I don’t care if it is online, I did not play the prior games so the comparison complaining is meaningless for me. How hard to get a video of how is the game actually play?

[@Overxpossed]

True. And let me tell ya... it plays so great!

[@Hansiwansi]

Some things got better. AI as excample is great! I really like it. Graphics too. I like it more than AS2. But Goh is definetly superior.

[@jordanasparadoxproductions8401]

As someone who has 850 hours on Mowas2 there is just no way i'm switching to Mow 2. Yes Mowas2 has problems but it's in way better shape then Mow2, Plus Mowas2 has hundreds of amazing mods to choose from

[@Cl3arBubbles]

Better shape? Where? When? The multiplayer in mow2 is superior from matchmaking to stability and what not, especially gameplay, you even have the classic mode. It also has a future. Mods will come and expansions for sure. If you claim you won't switch to it, then how can you claim it's in better shape than mowas2 lol, you remind me of people who still play cs 1.6 over cs2. Not that cs 1.6 is a bad game but seriously.

[@jordanasparadoxproductions8401]

@@Cl3arBubbles 🤓👆

[@ederlopezpradas219]

@@Cl3arBubbles You just didn't play the old Men of Wars to talk, did you? The franchise just lost they essence, which where the misions and more realistic parts. Did you just saw that the vehicles are better looking but the rest i EXACTLY the SAME as it was in Mowas and Mowas 2?? Just the same but with a light change after 10 years, that's disgusting.

[@ederlopezpradas219]

@@Cl3arBubbles To play online pla company of Heroes and its just 10 times better. (except the 3 thats shit overpriced like this one)

[@Cl3arBubbles]

@@ederlopezpradas219 i ve played all of them, idk what you d want them to change make the tanks fly? In mow2 at least tanks get close to whole map range pretty much, the whole map.

[@trent3727]

I like it. It's better than COH and the tutorial in this is better than men of war assault squad. And being 100% online is normal for almost every game I play.

[@fdsfggr]

the problem is they kick you out of the game wehn afk coz the server could get over afked

[@stephenstowe9711]

lol they have stuff for cheating, damn these cheats must be something else if they are worried about someone cheating in an live time strategy game

[@backstabingpike]

😂😂😂stop pre-ordering 😂😂😂games should have so much more 😂😂😂stop buying yearly games 😂😂😂 wait until the paid KZbinrs review the game before you buy anything 😂😂😂STOP BUYING KRAP BECAUSE OF NOSTALGIC FEELINGS PLEASE

[@scrpld7111]

I think that game only needed that better AI pathfinding. I mean that the soldiers you move would have some brain to take cover and jump over the fence automatically and in attack they would give each other covering fire etc. I have played showw2, faces of war and men of war and I think all those game had that problem. Not sure how it plays in mow2 though but I think it's almost the same. too much unnecessary micromanagement. And I see from the videos that if you move squad soldiers are too close to each other so one grenade can take out the whole squad.. etc. I don't know maybe that kind of gameplay is not easy to do though?

[@pichkes]

I bought the game at a discount and just couldn't go on for more than a few minutes. It's just not Men of War that I know and love and like many have said, it's better if you save the suffering for those who like the previous games and go and buy Gate of Hell 😐

[@blackslade1524]

I will agree with everything but he health bars. Its a bad lie that people keep repeating without knowing. It is just the health of your hull same as all other MOWs. Not the whole health bar you can still disable and shoot certain areas on vehicles.

[@Soldner41]

I just wanted a Men of War/AS2/GoH but fancier. Better Graphics, Sounds and actual Animations for Soldiers. I hate that the Soldiers are soooo stiff. Also Performance is god awful even without Mods. Did i ask for too much? Apparently. Because Men of War 2 did nothing i asked for, but did things actually Nobody asked for. :(

[@Cl3arBubbles]

There's another youtuber who bashed this game and same as you, talked a lot of missinformation and bs, worst culprit being, bringing only the negatives and making sure to emphasise them. For instance, the whine about always online, they literally straight away said, offline is coming. If you feel the need to still whine about it then please stop, you're online 24/7. As for the UI being bad? No it ain't. Graphics look better than the previous games, the multiplayer is more stable and runs better with no slowdowns and rubberbanding. Tanks can fire across the whole map, infantry can fire at high ranges, they're not bullet sponges either like in AS2 which most ppl keep bringing up. Also as much as I like GOH, people are being so biased, that game came in 2021 and had a lot of patches /expansions unlike mow2. Again, I don't understand how the UI is arcadey when compared to the previous games. Also tanks always had healthbars, just hidden, GOH has it too. They just display some of it here. I have no problem with people disliking a game, but when someone hates and the rest join the bandwagon just to hate and exaggerate and spread a lot of bs it's annoying. Also expecting devs to do as the community says in every instance is crazy. If you ask 50 people what they want, they'll each want something, you can't please them all, I guess some youtuber's ego got hit cos the devs didn't play their tune lol, then it started this rollercoaster of hate that I see everyone joins, nobody wants to be different right, gotta go with the crowd. It's sad because all the negative pushes people away from the game, guaranteed a lot of em would enjoy it if they weren't biased.

[@vonvonvonvonvonvonvonvonvo7009]

The best tank in all of MOW2 is the KV-2, it does everything better than everything else, enough said.

[@Cl3arBubbles]

lolwut

[@Daz912]

The single player content is already better than GOH. Don’t really care about MP

[@TheGreatCharlie123]

This is a real shame, I was hoping it was good, and an improvement

[@Overxpossed]

I have +600 hours between MOWAS 1 and 2, plus +600 hours in COH3 plus almost 300 hours in GOH, almost 70 hours playing Men of War 2 sinceit was released and I can say Men Of War 2 is the best RTS of all times. The game is the best; Rymmi's just a mammas boy.

[@igormsh14bidevisualizacoes45]

@@Overxpossed Oh yeah how about not being able to recrew an artillery piece or AT gun after your crew dies? Where is the strategy or tactics there?

[@Overxpossed]

@@igormsh14bidevisualizacoes45 where? lol... you just select the troop and then right click in the weapon you want to recrew...

[@stormy1055]

​@@OverxpossedThe cp where enough can't recrew your own or your allies vehicles and statics but can recrew the enemies vehicles and statics it makes no sense at all

[@Overxpossed]

@@stormy1055 I don't see why recrewing enemy's weapons is wrong against not recrewing your own units regarding the CP. That push you to recrew enemy vehicles. I'm totally ok with that.

[@Doc_Rainbow]

Have Played the Alpha and lost any interest immediately... Men Of War 2 is just a COH Clone... there dumped down the Mechanics the Fans loved so much that this game is unplayable... its just an Arcade Version of GOH... and thats very sad... there made the same Mistake as CoH3 and shitted on there Fanbase... now there got lower Playernumers than ever... At least there is GOH which is the Perfekt MOW game...

[@Bingusgingus]

why are people angry: because it sucks. the controls blow, it feels just as janky as MOW (except worse somehow} the improvements made are so minor and the ways the game got worse are HUGE.

[@iTomBass]

3:00 Honestly to me it doesn't feel like AS2 at all. If it did I would at least feel somewhat happy with my purchase. Instead everything feels ten steps backwards and 'off' in a way it can be hard to describe. Infantry feel like pointless cannon fodder. Vehicles are overly fast and the armour/penetration system leads a lot to be desired (even on the realism mode they harp on about). The regiment system leads to so many problems and feels like you barely have enough units. Even the 'classic' mode has problems. Repairing your own tank or At gun? (which somehow hasn't blown up - so many unnecessary ammo explosions too but thats another point) well you better be sure you haven't called in another unit in that time otherwise you are hit with the 'Not enough CP to use allied unit' message....because that's fun. Shooting an enemy with a machine gun on your tank via direct control? Well better be sure they are in range otherwise you will recieve a dumb message saying 'too far'.... like literally what the fck. Gates of Hell is better in almost every aspect. There are some things I like, Custom trenches and Bunker building etc but these take a long time to construct to the point where it feels like they don't gel with the fast pace nature of the game. Like I'd just want this in Gates of Hell. It's awful decision after awful decision to the point where it doesn't feel like Men of War and this is before we even talk about always online and the steep price of the game. It's baffling.... Honestly my only hope is Gates of Hell's continued development with further expansions/DLC's.

[@ANIMshit]

I never understand, what people mean by "it dosnt feel like men of war" do people even know what men of war was ? If they did, they would say the same thing about gates of hell as well lol Also, you cant compere mow2 and goh, they are two different games that where born from old men of war, none of them are like old "men of war". Each of them focuses on own stuff, goh focused on singleplayer and coop, mow2 focused on multiplayer (something we old players wished many many years ago) Spreading hate about the game is just wrong, mow2 is fantastic game, if people dont like it, they have goh. What did they wanted, goh and mow2 to be the same ? Now we have bouth games, one for coop and other for mp, thats something we should be happy about

[@Overxpossed]

well... you definitelly nead to learn how to play.

[@iTomBass]

@@Overxpossed I’ve been playing this franchise since 2006 I think I know how to play a men of war game. You know if you can’t contribute anything thoughtful to the conversation it’s usually best that you keep your mouth shut :)

[@Overxpossed]

@@iTomBass Have you contributed with something thoughtful? MOW2 demands new strategies. All what you described isn't actually how the game is. For example, the amount of available units will depend on multiple factors more than using other games types that allow more troops from the beginning, like Combined Arms. Your whole comment shows a person who don't know how to play the game. If you have a user name pass it so we can play few matches; I'm pretty sure you will get how it works.

[@iTomBass]

@@Overxpossed based on this comment and the others that you've said on this video. There's no way you're serious. You have to be one of the devs or something. "MOW2 demands new strategies." This is so unironically funny. You're acting like I've played 10 minutes and written my original comment. I've played every mode in the game and I'm well aware of how MP and CP limits and echelon stage dictate the amount of units. That doesn't stop the overall feeling of having essentially nothing.

[@gsauto8588]

Assault squad 2 makes more sense and is way better.

[@simonstrain6721]

Well, who would have thought that a Ukrainian game studio would make some really disgraceful game. Never happened before and here it is again(Cold war never existed). BUT WE MUST! I REPEAT! WE MUST add some *ucked up 10 min. dialogues where our "White House" (Is that how they called in Syrian warfare?) friends KNOW that it isn't too bad to spend Biden moneys to help our cause! IT JUST MUST BE ! NOTHING ELSE IS IMPORTANT

[@sophicEnt.]

The more RESTRICTED GAMES BECOME for the greed and data companies make. Games are just meh and get boring so fast

[@luigisaguier8336]

completely agree!

[@MisterMick113]

I believe the reason it feels more "arcadey" is because there's been an overall decline in the appeal of strategy games. There's been a trend the last few years among gamers where the importance of strategy and thinking in a game doesn't matter as much so why would game developers focus on something a small portion of gamers care about? At the end of the day, they're trying to sell games and make money so trying to appeal to a wider audience and sell more copies makes sense.

[@banterabc5135]

Loved all the betat, played them all. Currently i got no internet conection, so there is no point in buying it for now, else i totally would

[@JD-dm1uj]

This game is absolutely exceptional, I own every game in the series from the very first one, love them all, I actually like this more so than COH and GOH

[@ANIMshit]

Me as well, goh gets boring after few missions, and there is no real challanges in missions as well, they are too easy. I still dont get the hate, as i undrestend, few streamers didnt like it and there followers just started review bombing the game

[@Overxpossed]

me too... It actually slapped GOH in da butt.

[@stormy1055]

​@@ANIMshit go heroic and no direct control with a few units as a challenge:)

[@dragonace119]

Words cannot describe the sheer amount of brain damage I recieved from this comment.

[@ANIMshit]

@@dragonace119 why ? is tactical games too hard for your brain ?

[@gerardotejada2531]

When Gates of Hell released people complained about how derivative It felt from MOWAS2, now people are praising GOH in front of MOW2. Hypocrites.

[@vittoriovenetov9655]

I still dont like goh. Mowas2>>>

[@Dhurnam]

​@@vittoriovenetov9655 That's your personal opinion, which is worthless. GOH is objectively the better game in almost every aspect. Soon enough it'll be better in *every* aspect upon more updates.

[@dakotameredith625]

Somebody said there's no armor or piercing mechanics on steam. That's a complete 100% lie here is. The bottom line is, don't let a semi. Famous person tell you what to enjoy.

[@LGB357]

Too bad I was really looking foward to this when I saw it while replaying AS2 bummer