Fans are "SICK AND TIRED" after this Latest LIV / PGA TOUR Fight

The constant bickering between the PGA TOUR and LIV Golf continued this past weekend and this latest fight has fans feeling "sick and tired" of it all.
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[@vertstang123]

I don't think fans are talking about this bullshit anywhere near as much as the "golf media" is.

[@areguapiri]

Exactly.

[@billfairless6256]

Agree , I have never seen a "Fan" interviewed by the media on what they think. By Fan the media means themselves and their employers.

[@dirtyoffroader2093]

100% true.. especially on the (PGA) PropaGandA channel, sorry.. Golf channel 😂

[@golfinglife610]

Lol I work in a pro shop and honestly wish they all were playing. I hate seeing drama in the game.

[@the_cardchasersportscards771]

I agree 100% a lot of this is clickbait. There is definitely a huge issue in professional golf but the media is pushing this more than the average fan base

[@mineshjogia9945]

Phil has been saying what he is saying for years before LIV. He attempted himself to improve the tour from within, they pushed back over and over and never changed. So yeah, he exhausted all options till LIV came along and gave him the nuclear option.

[@Greatwhiteshark67]

Golf is not broken now, the whole world is now seeing top level golf because of LIV. One could argue it's never been better. Golf is now being played globally at the highest level. Well done LIV.

[@marsbrown4834]

Australia has greatly benefited. Just look at the crowds. PGA only has itself to blame. Thank you, Greg.

[@lynperry-ld6pq]

Brandel Chamblee is full of himself. I like the idea of DP World and LIV joining forces. The PGA should have taken the meeting with Norman.

[@vincesteer7960]

“Chumblee” now seems to be an expert on sport in general after listening to him describing Federer, Biles on GC, what a loser.

[@skin28420]

Yes it had to be done. PGA leaders were not listening. Need to force the change

[@chevy4x466]

Obviously the pga tour would not change.

[@karenolmstead9734]

The tours aren't finding ways to work together, the MAJORS are finding ways to work with the current structure.

[@Hernando12]

The fact that Rory just won 3.6 million for a no name tournament is ridiculous ,I'm sure he's not complaining

[@michealpruitt8599]

Love watching liv golf! Music,teams, shorts for God's sake, who wears slacks to the golf course when it's 90 degrees? That being said, I also enjoyed watching Rory win last Sunday, why can't we have both!⛳⛳⛳

[@cwmcclintock5757]

Please pardon the op-ed. You guys are pretty smart. So i thought i'd try some of my mere thoughts. The start leans toward geopolitics but it goes 100%to this Tour catastrophy ...... Golfers think this is all business. Has anybody ever worked in large corporations or been in the geopolitical services? This is about power. POWER and only POWER. The US involved in the current Middle East problem is not about morals, it's about power. The PGA Management has exactly who they want on the Policy Board. Woods, Cantlay and Speith are 3 self-interest conservative Authoritarians who want everything to remain the same, with the exceptions always allowed that make them richer. Just like PGA Management, they don't want LIV/PIF anywhere in a deal where they can leverage a little power to take over the PGA someday. Rory sucks at timing. Now that he has had a reality check, he wants to be The Diplomat. Woods, Cantlay and Speith don't want any diplomats screwing up this total collapse of any progress with PIF. Hell, in the wee hours, they are probably thinking/dreaming they are Patriots. Is everybody stone stupid, or have you noticed that Diplomacy in the 2 conflicts the US is in, has been ignored, kicked, stomped, undercut, rejected outright ...and the object of hatred by those in power. Mickelson knows this is BS going on and is appealing to his base. As the PGA Tour continues its collapse into obscurity, maybe they will get to the table so golf fans will have something to watch. Without LIV players, the PGA Tour is losing revenues hand over fist. And in a spectacularly stupid move, that everybody thinks is great.... the PGA of America "invites" some LIV players. Is LIV stupid? The PGA Championship will have a shipload more viewers and make a shipload more money. The cost? $0. Frack them. If I was Norman I would have been on the phone with the players continuously telling them to wait till the last moment, then withdraw. See how the viewership collapses in another Major. "If they give us spots, WE WILL CHOSE THE PLAYERS WHO GO TO THE PGA". PG of America, we have the power. You don't get the power to send fancy invitations, and if you're nice to us, we might send Gooch. I want to see how he'll do in a PGA field, now that he's advanced to the killer level. There's a real story there, and don't think The Golf Channel and NBC SPORTS won't work it. And they get that for..... free. This is horribly bad business. Just as long as PGA Tour Management makes their millions$ and select players add to their 100s of millions$ Just as an aside, I teed it up a couple of weeks ago, it was the start of my 60th golf season. I'm a WWII kid and I watched first hand as the NFL merged with AFL. The ABA merged with the NBA. The NL and the AL became MLB. Each time the bickering was huge. Except we didn't have social media. But why did the impossible happen? SMART BUSINESS and more money than anybody could have had wet dreams about. And where is the lynchpin that makes this loss of Revenues and Earnings continue in perpetuity? As of April 25, 2024 the OWGR will provide rating points to the Clutch Pro Tour in the UK. The CPT will be the feeder for EU/UAE based Challenge Tour and DP World Tour. And they play 54 hole events. Since we're all Carnivore Capitalists here.. somebody ask these 8 revenue and capital destroyers what is their business problem with affording LIV golfers with points. People are under the delusion there is some moral/ethical issues at play here. Like this isn't the same as geopolitics, and it's about power. The money is just some arcane way of keeping track. This OWGR Board has to stop standing in the way, just because they have soiled their pants when some competition showed up after a 100+ year monopoly. The PGA Tour could all make more than a stinkin' $12B (their "valuation" of the PGA Tour") with the infinity of ways you could platform real competition, and the massive revenue streams that come from it. BTW, in this current state of affairs $12B isn't marked to market. It's marked to Tinkerbell. The Tour isn't worth spit and falling fast. The PGA Tour Management and Policy Board should all be fired, and would be if they ran an actual Corporation instead of one that has the screenplay of a Disney cartoon. Please explain a BUSINESS REASON why it isn't super smart for the LIV golfers to be given points. Hey folks here are the 2-bit schmucks who are blocking the future of golf...!!!!!! The Board of the OWGR Chairman - Peter Dawson CBE Augusta National Golf Club - Will Jones, Executive Director PGA European Tour Group - Keith Pelley, Chief Executive PGA of America - Seth Waugh, Chief Executive Officer PGA Tour - Jay Monahan, Commissioner The R&A - Martin Slumbers, Chief Executive USGA - Mike Whan, Chief Executive Officer International Federation of PGA Tours - Keith Waters

[@dereckguilfoyle1219]

Sick of Chamblee, go AK, golf doesnt belong to the USA its a global sport

[@larryverdugo3553]

What you guys never talk about is the fact that the separation is all because of the PGA. All players are used to playing 25 times a year or there about. The LIV guys could still play in 10 events if they wanted to. Rahm has said he would like to play in a few events.

[@larryverdugo3553]

I play in two golf leagues and I’ve never heard any LIV/PGA talk.

[@pjjclarke]

The silly thing is this is not an irreconcilable problem provided there's a bit of goodwill and give and take. For instance, let top PGATOUR players such as Scottie and Rory play 2 or 3 LIV events as guests if they want to provided they still fulfil their PGATOUR commitments and let LIV players accept 2 or 3 sponsor invites to PGATOUR events each year. That doesn't solve underlying splits but it at least starts a bit of healing that's long overdue

[@BillSawyerPlus]

They tried for years, don't you remember the "Match" with Tiger & Phil back in 2018.... that was huge, and media rights was talked about non-stop. They still even after all this don't have media rights on the PGA Tour. They have to beg for releases, and have no guarantee's. I hear post LIV they are getting a minimum payout each year now, but before you end the year spending more money than you made just to play for a chance to win money and then couldn't even make money elsewhere.

[@ericdruet1885]

Love your podcast !! But you guys are very PGA centric on your comments. A lot of the issues have being voice for years on the PGA and nothing change. Now there is another quality ( not perfect) tour and they go thru a bunch of changes in a year. I love golf , good golf! But still you can tell the PGA want to be the almighty in the golf world.

[@garydavis8213]

Tiger is separating himself from Rory because Tiger has zero interest in reaching a compromise with LIV. Tiger can’t let anything happen that might take away from his phoney Simulator Golf League.

[@chevy4x466]

Tiger just assumes everyone will always kiss his rear end and give him fortune

[@Duece-xl2mc]

I’m glad LIV came along, the pga tour is stale.

[@scottmcdonald9924]

The pga was a monopoly in us and is realizing that players and fans have something else. Im a golf fan but getting tired of chasing pga on tv golf channel peacock and then cbs. Liv go on line, cast it on tv and watch with less Comercial.

[@-Thunder]

The golf industry is doing fine. Broadcast viewership is down. That’s it. No big deal. Meanwhile, the PGA Championship invited Taylor Gooch with a world ranking in the 600s because he’s playing great on LIV. World rankings don’t matter anymore.

[@chevy4x466]

The game needs the pro side to inspire future generations to play. Look how far tennis has fallen in America since the macenroe era.

[@johnkollias6782]

And how well did Taylor do ? Didn't deserve the invite. It could have been given to someone more deserving IMHO.

[@-Thunder]

@@johnkollias6782 didn’t work out any better for a bunch of guys ranked top 50 either. Bryson played phenomenal and remains a crowd favorite.

[@johnkollias6782]

@@-Thunder yes, but those individuals didn't abandon the PGA and accumulated OWGR points by due process.

[@-Thunder]

@@johnkollias6782 So? You think I respect Monahan and the PGA for mismanaging the tour, fleecing their players and then doing a deal with PIF anyhow? The OWGR should be renamed the PGAOWGR since they are basically a subsidiary. Ditto for the Golf Channel. I respect the LIV players for exposing the monopoly for what it was.

[@billfairless6256]

Does anyone find it ironic that Jack and Arnie the greatest golfers of their generation were prime movers in creating the PGAT and now Tiger who in some circles is regarded as the greatest golfer ever is doing his best to destroy it.

[@dereckguilfoyle1219]

Xander not challenging didnt help, Rory played amazing but pgatour really needed an epic battle and it didnt happen

[@karenolmstead9734]

I don't know if something as drastic as LIV was needed, but something was needed to get the powers of golf to wake up and recognize that the issues could no longer be ignored. We don't really know all of the players who asked for changes or the specific changes that were requested because it was all kept quiet but it was obvious that some players were getting frustrated.

[@superlyman]

Obviously I couldn’t be done

[@PetSKi67]

PIF souds like kind of a scape goat for the PGA Tour for mocking the whole concept. However, PIF is present in professional football, and this year really loudly in ATP-tennis World Tour as well. Nadal made a M$400 deal for promoting the sport and ATP have had tour stop in the Middle-East for ages. If it’s good money for other professional sports, why would an American domestic non-profit golf authority care a sheite?

[@jason109301]

I agree with Phil, PGA is getting old and not keeping up with the times. PGA needs to get out of the states. Play more worldwide and televise the last round of the Masters tournament winner Jon Rahm, instead of not having coverage on Rahm’s round. Also, people are tired of the Politics, in Government and now in Golf.

[@brandonpelly848]

It was broken before, it really was a diluted product, the majors were of only interest and the big tour tourneys that tiger would enter, other than that, I never really cared if koepka battled against mcilroy for the Valspar, I love golf too, just too much shit on the go nowadays

[@skipcampbell239]

even college players have NIL

[@charlesbond4413]

The PGA Tour had no reason to change or even hear a complaint until they had competition. It’s a dinosaur and LIV is an asteroid.

[@dukek8625]

This is a boxing match, jabs back and forth, each league defending themselves. Individuals calling out players by name doesn’t help, those player aren’t going to picked on, so then they respond, and sometimes like children. This battle isn’t helping each league with the fans. All the money on both sides causes most of the issues.

[@billfairless6256]

Rory is on the transactional sub committee to sort out a deal with PIF. This is where the real power lies, that's why Tiger and Rory are there. The recommendations of this committee will be crucial to the future of the Tour. When you are in a war that you cannot win you have to reach an agreement favourable to both parties to end hostilities The sooner you do this the less damage done.

[@areguapiri]

The fans don't care about that stuff.

[@johnkollias6782]

How much money does the elite baseball players make, and the NFL, and NBA? European soccer, etc. Yes, pro sports is totally out of hand. When mediocre players can become multi-millionaires, there is a problem. LIV is run by Greg Norman, who has had a vendetta with the PGA for decades, one needs to recognize his desire to destroy the PGA. All the players who deserted the PGA tour and DP World tour knew exactly what would happen when they left, so there is no need to feel sorry for these ridiculously rich golfers. Perhaps there may one day be some sort of agreement , but I feel strongly if there is, there should be a large penalty before allowing any LIV players back into the tours they abandoned for their own greedy purposes. Bottom line, Not all the fans are sick and tired of the bickering. There are many fans that do want to see proper justice be applied to this appalling matter.

[@billysmith1715]

People are tired of everybody always talking about money.

[@brandonpelly848]

I think the tour has a great opportunity with the world golf championships, they really could of messed around with the format and try new innovative stuff at these tourneys, the players were complaining the match play was getting harder to play cause of the amount if rounds, maybe shorten that field, pump up the money, find unique was to get the world's best head to head in match play, or change them to team formats, they had a good opportunity I think and they still do, there's just a bunch of ego in the way right nowv

[@joenolan4917]

Hopefully the turbulence will be behind us in a couple years. Make pro golf (news) boring again

[@dirtyoffroader2093]

😂 I'm glad Brandel pulled Kim about being derogative to women.. Prehaps Lisa Cornwell can confirm how he properly treats the ladies. The mans a hypocritical 🤡

[@dommargboffa3261]

Guys If a deal is done and Liv continues with 14 tournaments and Liv players can play In Majors. I cannot see top Liv players, lucky to play more than 4 other PGA EVENTS!! Jason Day 24 tournaments in 2023 won $7miil Cam Smith played 23 Liv eventsxwob $34mill!!!! Liv top guys no interest I going back to 24+ events a year

[@skipcampbell239]

with out LIV brandel has no job

[@douglaslunsford7052]

Brandon Chamblee needs to go away and never be heard from again. As far as LIV and DP merging, LIV doesn't want to be relegated to a 2nd tier league.

[@CameronNeave]

To me , there wasn't alot wrong with the pga tour , it had all the best players , the schedule was easy to follow, the players were making realistic money , and the pga was alowly adapting to the golf climate , so how has liv given us viewers a better product . And as fo Phil I think he just needed the money 😊.

[@mineshjogia9945]

I stopped watching the PGAT and only watch LIV. The difference is one is boring as watching paint dry, while the other is all action. All the best players in one place, paying each other week in week out, never actually happened on the PGAT outside of say a couple of tournaments. Only place it does happen is the majors and they are not far from fucking that up for themselves as well.

[@areguapiri]

...a lot...

[@CameronNeave]

That's fine. You keep watching your liv exibition players playing for nothing but money and I'll keep watching players on pga playing for history , I'm not stupid I know liv is going to win in the long run, there's no way the pga can compete money wise. But until then .

[@mineshjogia9945]

@@CameronNeave Exhibition? lol, History, lol. Well at least you ain't stupid and can see where this is going, that's a a plus.

[@CameronNeave]

Sorry for just giving my 45 years of high level golf opinion, you keep doing you , just remember when your out playing golf to make sure you play off the front tees so you don't hold real golfers up .

[@atfinthehouse8631]

Golf is golf. Making tons of money.

[@leonardcampise8112]

Golf was not broken. Liv is trying to tear it down.

[@chevy4x466]

😂😂😂😂

[@skipcampbell239]

Phil tried for 20yrs...Norman tried for yrs pga is a monopoly players had no voice and still do not....

[@user_1664]

We just dont really care anymore about viewing figures as soon as the pga sold out it became laughable , golf will go on no problem for golfers . How many have heard of henry cotton , earnest jones the bruen loop or walter hagen ? Jimmy demaret or gene sarazen ? Golf goes on as golf , crazy stupid scottish game , one against all . Thats why no ones watching , that and watching scottie is like so yaaawwn …

[@billbkr32ify]

All 3 feel.over intitled and are way into their own feelings. Fans are also tired of hearing them cry about money. They make plenty of mlions now to play a sport that many, many would love to be paid to do and to be as good. Get over yourselves and just play dam golf already before everyone stops watching. Views are at a all time low now for the PGA and LIV and still falling. People are tired of it.

[@oahujuniorgolfassociationc6656]

To the fans complaining: suck it up buttercup. Golf is working out some hard things at the minute, but the sport is getting better as a result. Norman and Phil have been at this longer than you boys been alive. The reason the euro tour can’t sell out to the pif and LIv is because they already sold out to the pga tour. In time just as the pga tour brings over the top euros dp tour players.. and those players can still go back…the same thing will happen with LIv and the pga tour. The pga tour will sell out to LIv as they already sold out to a bunch of team owners from other sports. Only this sell out will mean something because the top pga tour players will be allowed to move to the LIv world tour and those players will also be allowed to return to the pga tour. The key in all of this is the pga tour needs cut its required events number in half to 7-8 from 15. Btw great breakdown on the Rory part of this.

[@joelmolina351]

This had to happen iot see changes... golf would had not change for the better if it was not liv coming in the picture.....

[@leonardcampise8112]

People are turned off by Liv. I’m fine with the PGA. The PGA creates stars. Liv creates nothing.

[@markengle966]

sick of it. I don't watch PGA or LIV. I now watch the LPGA.

[@Divedown_25]

I am sick and tired of Brandel Chamblee, Phil Mickelson, Greg Norman, for me they have destroyed the fun of viewing golf. Brandel because of his big mouth and Greg and Phil as they are promoting LIV-golf that honestly...who really cares about the "LIV-teams" ? Anyone? And their 54 holes corporate shotgun golf? I have followed golf since 1976 and spent hours watching tournaments and tried to be enthusiastic for the FEDex cup (that I feel has not reached the format it should have since the beginning)...but now, I could't care less about who is playing on any tour PGA or LIV. Phil and Greg and the Saudi money destroyed a good game and the PGA are just so stubborn.

[@alienrenders]

I hadn't watched much golf for a decade before LIV came around. PGAT was broken a long time ago. It was unwatchable for me. I didn't even know the other majors existed aside from Augusta. I've watched every LIV event and I love it. It's given me back the game I love. The first 2 days of any given PGAT are rarely aired on TV or anywhere else. The mornings of every single day are almost never aired. So some players you follow you'd never see. It lasts from very early in the morning until very late at night. If there are weather delays, it creates very unfair scenarios where people who finished early got a worse,or better, score than when play resumes depending if the weather is better or worse. With a shotgun start, it removes both those issues at once. The day lasts under 5 hours and weather stoppages are the same for everyone. Shotgun start also means there's nonstop golf to watch. And we didn't get to all the ads on PGAT. About the teams, no one forces you to follow it. It's for the people who follow several players for an extended period of time. So any complaint there is a non sequitur. You're free to not like LIV. But don't try to pretend it doesn't have a LOT of advantages over PGAT. A lot of people like what they're used to. That's you. You like the status quo. That's fine. I understand that. But the status quo wasn't working for a lot of people like me. And LIV is fantastic for those of us that found PGAT unwatchable.

[@Greatwhiteshark67]

I am sick and tired hearing that Golf is about America and America only. The reality is that right now the rest of the world outside of the USA is joyous as top level golf is touring the world thanks to LIV. The PGA tour is boring and watching 90% of events ending at 20 under par, free relief for every bad shot, pintless interviews and terrible coverage has had it's time. Well done to Greg Norman and all the LIV golfers who stood up for the sport and said the world needs to see these players not just Americans. Hopefully LIV golf is the future.

[@timmastersonsr1041]

I'm sick of Liv and the players that went there