Fans Call Diarmuid A BUDGET Cu Chulainn ??

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[@MsAnimefan95]

His death wasn't embarrassing, it was cruel. I'd have been pissed, if I was him, too.

[@adraxer1365]

Yeah right? Inclusive as a Spectator or from the view of the characters, its like Oh cool they made a truce, this gonna be interesting **Things happended** oh they are all dead Bruh

[@bluebearie7230]

the meme culture went too far a lot of times and a lot of people use memes as fact nowadays

[@5L1G_Zeref]

Why can’t us lancer brothers just stick together!! We are already getting shafted by the plot in every adaptation and spin off we don’t need to screw with each other

[@jonnymarcia4403]

not enkidu, percival and lion king though so it aint all bad

[@vincentshadetree]

I think my allegiance is with the Archer class, but I do sympathize with the plight of you Lancers, the story doesn't do you any favors

[@5L1G_Zeref]

@@jonnymarcia4403 Lion King is a saber face so they’re exempt from that treatment in my opinion

[@jsansdream6860]

@@jonnymarcia4403 I feel like enkidu was explicitly shafted in Babylon

[@jonnymarcia4403]

@@jsansdream6860 im referring to Strange Fake

[@alxandernero]

Being a Diarmuid fan is just pain, in general. He gets no proper respect, gets betrayed. He just wants to serve,what's wrong with that? 😢😢

[@zillagrilla315]

It's kinda boring, and how it was portrayed was kinda bad. For example, while Siegfried was very similar in his disposition in following his Master's order, he still had his own will, when he saved Sieg. Diarmuid however showed that he was willing to allow Waver (who was introduced as one of the underdogs and everyone loves underdogs) to be tortured. Now if he had at least offered protests or threatened Kayneth then he would be much better liked.

[@kylepessell1350]

I remember a post on Pinterest which basically gave this argument and my response was that these two outcomes are kinda hard-wired into their spirit origins due to how they met their end in life. Diarmuid is fated to be betrayed by his master and die a miserable death while Cu is fated to die but avenge himself on his killer. It's only natural that history would repeat itself when they are put in those circumstances as Servants.

[@alxandernero]

@@kylepessell1350 it definitely is the circumstances of fate, pretty usual for mythological beings and how fate can screw you over. I just find it interesting that at least for Diarmuid, the circumstance of his fate kind of makes him appear "lesser" in the eyes of fans, if that makes sense. Diarmuid's loyalty was/is never rewarded and Cu was always more of a go-getter. I always figured that was just something the fanbase or people in general valued more.

[@kylepessell1350]

@@alxandernero I've never viewed him as lesser at all, just different. Diarmuid does actually have a lot on Cu in terms of being heroic in the modern sense due to his more admirable knightly ideals. Cu might have more feats (basically the Irish version of Heracles) but his inspiration on a classic Greek hero also means that he has a number of issues with personality flaws similarly to them.

[@alxandernero]

@@kylepessell1350 didn't want to imply that you did, just lamenting that the fanbase to an extent will look at feats and more favorable qualities that Cu has, that would make Diarmuid have less "value" in comparison.

[@twelfthknight]

His death is supposed to be distasteful and pitiful, to leave a sharp negative impression on the audience seeing this hitherto noble Hero in anguish and bitterness as a direct consequence of Kiritsugu's underhanded actions. It solidified the ideological gap between Artoria and Kiritsugu while continuing the idea that the Grail War is far from the contest of champions one may romanticize it as.

[@MusicFan752]

It’s kind of similar to the idea of chivalry with the tales of Camelot taking a hit with the world wars that happened. I know there are other times that could hurt the chivalry but from what I know so far that’s what really hurt the idea of chivalry.

[@MyLordAndSaviorPancakeMan]

Honestly I think Diurdude was just baffled he was backstabbed like that and as you said, homie thought the person he respected was in on his suicide. To compare two completely different people who’s similarities are only that they are both lancers and both end up dying due to suicide commands, is dumb. That’s like trying to call John f Kennedy a knock of Lincoln cuz he got shot in the head after Lincoln did…

[@deusgamemaster2242]

Knock off Lincoln LMAO

[@nekitaroyamaoto2135]

The fact that you don’t see parallels in their death and implications behind it based on their characterization is also kinda dumb

[@TheWcasey]

I love Diarmuid's death because it's so visceral but understandable why he's betrayed. Not to mention is serves to highlight Kiritsugu's ruthless methods and how those methods are such anthima to both Saber and Diarmuid who's concept of war differs so much from the modern. Plus him cursing the grail and war sticks with you the rest of the war and leads into Kiritsugu's monologue about war. Seems like they just wanted Diarmuid to last out and granted the would be memorable but it's way more powerful that he rakes them over the coals with a speech as he disappears imo.

[@bailinton4171]

When my Brother first watched Fate/Zero I quickly informed him that there are clear inspirations from Berserk in Nasu's work, and one of the things he actually said was that in berserk curses hold actual power and gravity, so when Diarmuid cursed the grail the war and those that sullied his honor they were all met with disaster. Kayneth and his fiance both died immediately after being rendered helpless and harmless, maiya was murdered by berserker, iri was killed and went into the mind-fuck that was the grail process, Saber was forced to confront and kill her best friemd driven insane by the guilt of his crimes, and Kiritsugu lost everything that he had as the city was engulfed in flames by his own hand, and forced to pick up whatever pieces he could to save hinself and just one person

[@donovanlarsen7982]

The biggest difference between Diarmuid and Cu is that Cu knew Kirei was treacherous, while Diarmuid had faith in, and supported his Master, until his betrayal. So basically, Cu was prepared for this outcome, and Diarmuid wasn’t and it also opened old wounds, because he’s been screwed over in an almost identical way before.

[@LifenKnight]

Cu also screwed up hard, killing the dog and then his son. Though its not like Cu could actually prepare for it either. he was stabbed in the heart. Cu suprised his master and shinji.

[@kylepessell1350]

@@LifenKnight Keep in mind that Cu died fighting off an entire army by himself and even when mortally wounded he tied his body to a stone so that his corpse could intimidate them to buy as much time as possible. When an enemy came to check, his arm still gripped his sword so tightly that it managed to cut off their arm when they tried to untie him. This is what earned him his Guts skill and hard-wired an ability to avenge his own death onto his Spirit Origin. If they knew more about Cu's lore then they wouldn't have been so surprised by what he did.

[@SiegfriedFafnirsbane]

​@@kylepessell1350It's also difference in specs and natural talent. Cu was a demigod born from Lugh the celtic chief god and his mother also had some divine heritage. It's not an understatement to say he's Irish Heracles and he should really possess A ranked Divinity . Diarmuid by comparison was born from the god of underworld and doesn't even posses the divinity skill for some reason.

[@CoFF3e_Man]

​@@kylepessell1350 He used his intestines to tie himself standing too...that's why he is worthy to be called a GUTS user

[@kylepessell1350]

@@CoFF3e_Man Only four Servants officially have higher ranked Battle Continuation than Cu does: Old Man of the Mountain (EX), Miyamoto Musashi (EX), Alcides (A+), and Shuten-Douji (A+).

[@joshcooper467]

Dude, didn't you JUST make a video on Diarmuid? The dude died wanting a fight of honor amidst a war when literally anything goes. I'd be pissed too if I was a servant with renown and had my pride was dashed to pieces too. Whether my master got caught lacking or not, that shit is gonna have be tilted.

[@atomicblacktiger9334]

the 2 lancers cannot be compared not only in situations, but history/myth and personality Cu was a beast was a lay back attitude he loves challenges and a good fight heck he didn't even have a wish he just wanted one more great battle than anything else. Diarmuid as loyal as any knight should the guilt he felt when he betrayed Fionn was great, and he was conflicted through it all when he was forgiven and welcomed back and was on deaths door Fionn refused to save him he betrayed his trust to help him and forgiven him. Diarmuid wanted to right the wrongs by not betraying his master and placing trust to another and it crushed him when it did happened.

[@Jacky_boy001]

This is a good example of something some people don't really understand. We have the advantage of foresight and knowing things the cast doesn't. An example of this is Bradley being wrath in fma. We knew this pretty early, the characters didn't. We have a more bird's eye view. Cu following kirei was a smart move. He may not like it, but cu did depend on kirei. It was far smarter to wait than basically kamikaze himself. As for diarmuid. I want to prep by saying I'm not 100% familiar with his lore. But I think if the person who was going to treat my wounds kept dropping the water, I could very easily interpret that as a form of betrayal, especially if I had a fatal injury. Also worth mentioning diarmuid doesn''t have battle continuation.

[@marcrobinos5023]

but battle continuation is useless on gae buidhe

[@GuildedINC]

I think they both are great and very much so capable in their own aspects. Let’s break this down. When Cu was given the order, he refused to go down because there was something he needed to accomplish before he died (which was to save Tohsaka). So even tho Cu knew his death was inevitable, he chose to will power it through until he saved Tohsaka. However, when Diarmuid ended himself, he knew his death was inevitable but he had no will to stay anchored, no attachments, no obligations before he returned to the throne. If he did, I’m sure he would have went down much more gallantly. He chose to curse the grail instead which foreshadowed the dark premonition revealed during the final events of zero.

[@paca-wd8wu]

If Cu is Irish Heracles than Diarmuid is Irish Achilles imo.

[@knightofthelake8112]

It's crazy how accurate this is because diarmuid even in lore is known for his superhuman speed and mobility, it was said that he could jump and leap from a mountain tip to another.

[@jirenjoestar3665]

Yet Diarmuid isn't faster than Cu

[@knightofthelake8112]

@@jirenjoestar3665 He is though

[@itzswaezy1573]

@@knightofthelake8112 he might be faster but not a better warrior cu is the the greatest his superhuman strength matched with his uncontrollable rage and iron will made him the unstoppable force that he was on the battlefield

[@Razor1473]

@@knightofthelake8112 He’s not

[@literalgarbage8014]

It's funny because I first thought about Cu as the budget Diarmuid in light of the fact that I was first introduced to zero

[@lenleon3699]

Even if you put everything in perspective the anger is mostly on how Urobuchi does Diarmuid dirty. He uses him on his weakest classes, with his weakest weapons and then focuses purely on breaking him, because of course no noble or chivalrous character can EVER be happy in an Urobuchi story. Also, the big comparison is how they both react to the unfairness of the circumnstances. Diarmuid breaks, because Urobuchi just rolls that way (never mind it took a cursed boar to kill Diarmuid in his tale). While Cu Chulainn, in a nod to the story of his death, refuses to die to the last, doing it mostly on his own terms. So yeah, in the end we can blame the writer.

[@lucasbranc]

I think there's must be two versions of Fate/Zero out there, because what I watched wasn't at all what these people watched. Like... how?

[@AkiFujimaruVT]

Dairu honestly has my respect, I feel bad for him due to the betrayals and so on. Also him thinking that Artoria also betrayed/set him up is saddening.😊

[@Spnozilla]

This is what happens when people take memes and jokes too seriously. It’s like people have to put a disclaimer that the joke isn’t the actual case and you’ll have to go see the source material or show to know what’s actually going on

[@GusJKlaus]

I always interpreted that, the strike from Gae Bold guaranteed Cú's death with that death curse on his heart, so he could act because he was already dead, now, Gae Daerg woud have te be kept on his chest until the magic dispelling effect garantee his death, so he couldn't act until his death by the command spell was assured

[@marcrobinos5023]

gae daerg is the red spear that nullify any magic defense

[@thereseavanastrea4662]

Was hearing it back in the day , and f*ck em all mate . Don't diss my boy he's gone through a lot and that's why he was cursing everyone

[@Karda_Nava]

Diarmuid has the cooler design & look out of the two, & the cooler more dope spears, seeing as he has two of them for two specific reasons, each having a unique ability/purpose (a golden shorter one, & the red long one), where Cu just has the red one.. so yeah, Diarmuid definitely has the more cool character design etc for sure! Though, Cu is way cooler overall when it comes to personality, motives, actions, pride, etc.. & his sense of character entirely in general. Cu is definitely the more badass & cooler one as a person, & as a character overall, & Diarmuid has the cooler character design. That’s how I see the two lol, as simple as that.

[@perfectvice8076]

"Cu wouldn't go out like that!!" Bro he literally got command sealed to stab himself. He went out exactly like that, he just didn't leave a curse like Diarmuid. They're honestly tied for my favorite Lancer servant.

[@LifenKnight]

Stab himself and got right back up, killed his master because he was gonna kill Rin, stabbed shinji which scared him off, saved Rin. I actually don't think it has about revenge at all. I think saving Rin was his main reason for killing his master.

[@jeffreyherrera5069]

​@@LifenKnight Honestly, the way he stabbed Shinji looked more like a jab. Then again, Shinji goes flying after only getting a love tap to the face, so I guess that makes sense.

[@pwndulquiorra]

"Hey, did you know Cursed Arm Hassan is such an idiot the way he fought Cu? If Hundred Faced Hassan had gone up against him, he would've cloned himself and ganged up on Cu, the genius." Uh, I mean, yeah, he would? Because he has that ability and Cursed Arm doesn't? I feel like all these types of arguments go more or less that way.

[@massimilianoreali4398]

And also in the end cursed arm have taken the kill meanwhile i am doubtful for hundred faced

[@tamamtamam8646]

What are you saying i didnt understand entirely but if you meant Cursed hassan should use clone against cu he cant he has only zabania he cant clone himself Thats hundred persona's power

[@massimilianoreali4398]

@@tamamtamam8646 in fact i have said that cursed arm hassan could'nt clone himself but in the end he killed cu meanwhile i am very doubtful that hundred face could kill cu since gae bolg is a anty army np and cu is know for have slaughtered army alone

[@pwndulquiorra]

@@tamamtamam8646 My point was more or less that a lot of these arguments just seem to compare things to each other that are not in any way comparable. I don't know that anyone would say that Cursed Arm should clone himself the way Hundred Faced would but in the event they would, it would be a pointless thing to suggest for the simple fact that Cursed Arm and Hundred Faced are completely different from each other apart from being Hasans so a tactic that would work for one probably wouldn't work for the other. Similarly, comparing characters that have completely different personalities, motivations, experiences, and situations and saying that they should've behaved the same is just asinine.

[@tamamtamam8646]

@@pwndulquiorra yes your precisly right People made me sick trashtalking to diarmuid He got betrayed and was loyal Cu was just baddas warrior and porbably he never trusted to kirei Diarmuid isnt one of my Favorite characters but he is well deigned and respectable character

[@xanthosamoni2072]

He really did get done dirty. Him being betrayed all his life though made you think he should have saw it coming or set up some kind of contingency plan.

[@adraxer1365]

I really want a new Spotlight or at least a oportunity for Diarmuid like someone using a Brick or sand where he died in Zero and Summon him as an Avenger Alter or Something.

[@mikyeediaz120]

I like the idea of him coming back as Avenger since he always gets betrayed and it could mess his spirit's origin up. But I could only imagine for now xD

[@yaninzarn]

One of the biggest facts ppl sleep on is CU’S BATTLE CONTINUATION SKILL. Cu LITERALLY could not die for minutes after self deleting. Diarmuid had seconds to live, whereas cu could lay there and wait for kotomine to walk up.

[@TsiahIV]

I considered this but he earned the right have that skill from his myth. He solo'd armies casually. Counting it against him wouldn't make any sense.

[@yaninzarn]

@@TsiahIV Oh I'm not counting it against Cu, im a tier 3 sub simp for cu, just sayin it for the ppl trying to compare based on what they did after they unexisted themselves

[@jelly_rachii4534]

I’m ready to defend this man -

[@soraadcaelum2428]

0:40 sounds about right lol

[@Super-Saiyan9665]

I think that it’s important to remember that Diarmuid was borderline obsessive over being loyal to his master because of what he did in his lifetime. Even after death, he was guilt ridden by what he did. I’d argue that what he wanted from the grail war wasn’t the grail, but the opportunity to atone and be the perfect knight again. The epitome of loyalty and integrity

[@balguss]

You know I used to believe the crybaby Diarmuid since I'm not that familiar with the franchise and only follow the memes, I'm glad you made this video, really puts a much different light to the character.

[@thelegendaryflyingburrito8142]

WHY DO WE WE PARK ON DRIVEWAYS AND DRIVE ON PARKWAYS

[@fwou]

Now the real question: Saber Diarmud or Caster Chulainn?

[@Cryocynical576]

Caster Cu

[@Aesc_the_voyager]

Caster cu

[@slesh_master]

Caster Cu in fgo is not technically Cu but he will be counted as one, my money is on Diarmud

[@xanthosamoni2072]

Saber Diarmuid

[@knightofthelake8112]

Saber diarmuid literally defeated shadow Musashi and the king of fairies abarthach who is stronger than yagyuu, I would put my money on him any day of the week.

[@juliantps]

without knowing much about Diarmuid, i've always thought that Cu was stronger. and after your last video i've had a little change in that thought. but to think he's a budget Cu is actually just a wacky and crazy thought process that i don't even wanna attempt to think about it

[@MusicFan752]

I prefer cu over diarmuid, but it is disrespectful calling him a budget Cu. I can’t even say that in terms of appearances as while there’s similarities, there’s still a good difference.

[@LifenKnight]

@@MusicFan752 nah i was literally confused when i watched it, not gonna lie. and no quests asked, cu NP alone should make him stronger. its an NP which doesn't care about durability.

[@adriankos4042]

Diarmuid is my husbando. Thank you Tsiah. Finally someone competent spoke what I couldn't

[@luvslotsastuff]

YES YES THANK YOU!!! God I hate when people try to compare the two situations as if they're the same. Diarmuid is an entirely different character with different motivations in a completely different situation, of course he'd act differently than Cu.

[@carlossique9604]

People who say that Diarmuid is a budget Cu clearly didn’t really understand the story to either series and understand the characters back ground in the plot

[@jacobjensen7704]

I think the thing that Cu said is what makes people make this comparison: I wouldn’t be much of a heroic spirit if that killed me.

[@justsomeguyonhisphone709]

Man being a lancer sucks so bad that even the plot and audience dog on them Bug respects to the Lancers for making do with what they have

[@erenyeager3407]

This is what happens if people are either in for the memes & just play FGO, unlike Tsiah bro right here, he's cooking & drinking the entire works of Nasuverse, he ain't a one-trick pony like most fluffed "fans" out there.

[@qwefg3]

The difference between a master and servant working together as they both want the trail only to get back stabbed... Vs a Master who cares nothing for his servant and the servant who has no loyalty and wants revenge on his master. Fate Stay Night has the villains pay for their actions. Fate Zero is the play of tragedy ad you might as well call Saber a wimp for crying over breaking a cursed grail. Good on you for defending Fate Zero Lancer.

[@JohnWick-rh1zz]

a budget cu would be proto cu

[@opinionofmine3238]

Wait, people seriously thought of Diarmud as a budget Cu? I thought it was a joke. Like literally a meme.

[@piercingmoon24]

That's just how it goes. Repeat a joke long enough, and people take it as actual criticism. The once you point out the flaws in the criticism, it reverts back to "it's just a joke, stop taking it seriously".

[@lusar626]

Lancer are my favorite class next to rider and it hurts to see lancer get dogged 😭

[@rokushakubo1]

I don't think his death was embarrassing. When it comes down to it, Cu is a demigod. Diarmuid was a hero from a different Celtic cycle. Their power might actually have been different, and both had iron will from their original lore.

[@ShadowFox10587O]

I never saw him as a budget version just another dude unfortunate enough to be summoned as a lancer

[@joenandez5880]

Lets be honest knowing diarmud he probably saw his master holding an injured sola and put 2 and 2 together thats why he turned to saber as his main point of hatred and betrayal because his master didnt betray him on purpose and he would definitely give up his life in exchange had his master asked and explained the situation since hes just that loyal. But to him saber was the main force that caused the situation so of course he would turn to her but what he gonna do in 10 seconds with a pierced heart and little to no mana considering the situation where both his masters are in ruins. So he just curses everyone and peaces out.

[@DaberuzJuega]

Yeah, I guess they don't know the true legends of Fate's servants. Diarmuid met his end because he was betrayed by Fionn and it wasn't just "I'm not gonna heal you", Fionn actually went for the water to heal him and dropped it on purpose... Three times! Meanwhile Diarmuid had his stomach open and guts all over the ground. In this HGW, he was also betrayed in the end by his master. So it makes sense his reaction would be "F*ck all of you!". In his legend (that is bigger than the whole Gráinne stuff) Diarmuid is actually super strong with godly weapons (spears and swords) and saved the Fianna multiple times xD

[@yu-gi-ohcasual6294]

Cu's death scene in UBW was his chance to exact revenge on Kirei and cut loose. Diarmuid's death scene was the breaking point after multiple betrayals and continued mistreatment from Kayneth. They're extremely different scenarios.

[@fatcat1697]

Diarmuid isn't a budget Cu Chulainn. Because they aren't even in the same league. Diarmuid is blessed with magical back up from two masters and ends up being a mediocre servant in his grail war. The best he can settle for is being mid tier at best in that war and he's the third servant to die. Cu is sharing a contract with Kotomine AND Gilgamesh, meaning he's getting supplied far less mana than Diarmuid and consistently one of the greatest threats in his grail war. Only ones more dangerous than him are Herc and Gil and it takes Gilgamesh 12 hours while cornering him in a basement for him to die. I mean look at their respective skill sets and NPs. Cu is actually built to win fights while Diarmuid is designed for cucking masters.

[@Razor1473]

People forget, Cú is considered equal to King Arthur and Heracles when he’s summoned anywhere outside of Japan. This pretty much proven by him nearly fighting Achilles to death in FGO.

[@fatcat1697]

@@Razor1473 wait when did they fight like that in FGO? You mean that Honako video?

[@knightofthelake8112]

You are making a rather bad analogy, the fate zero Grail war had iskandar whose noble phantasm is an army of servants and an A+ ranked anti-army lightning chariot, Gilgamesh who was straight up the strongest heroic spirit, artoria under a better master than shirou, lancelot the strongest knight of the round table with madness enhancement and gilles who can summon devilish monsters and a tower sized monster, the fact that Diarmuid was doing well in such Grail war itself is impressive considering than if he fought most servants of stay night who Gilgamesh isn't part of and the masters are trash, he would probably have quite an easy time winning with kayneth as a master. So saying that diarmuid is bad because you find cu cooler is ridiculous especially when the author himself said cu would only get an advantage if they were to fight in Ireland

[@fatcat1697]

@@knightofthelake8112 was partly joking about Diarmuid sucking. He isn't terrible or anything like that but the lack of a strong hax or active noble phantasm really fucks him over. This applies to Lancelot too. They're strong in direct fights but what happens when it isn't that? A fight between servants isn't always that simple and you generally want to have some way to pressure other than out. Herc has god hand and high end stats, Medusa has bellerophon and petrify (which fucks over most of Zero cast) and Cu has runes which lets him do almost anything, causality reversal and his spear throw (which explodes). Hell, they'd be in trouble against Sasaki Kojiro who does what they do but to bullshit levels along with Medea magic support and those fucking stairs. I'm not saying that Diarmuid is shit though. What I'm really saying is that Cu is very fucking bullshit and isn't included in too many main plots because he'd either be too useful for general purposes or cheese a dangerous fight.

[@knightofthelake8112]

@fatcat1697 Fate stay night is just weird for these comparisons and is usually stuck between 2 extremes of power. You see it's either medusa under shinji whi has nowhere near enough speed or power to deal with any servant from fate zero bare assassin. Artoria under shirou who would get destroyed by everyone from fate zero except assassin, cu under a command spell to hold back who would yet again get destroyed by everyone except assassin from zero, medea is generally losing to everyone from fate zero anyway regardless of her master, emiya is almost countered by everyone from fate zero except assassin again, sasaki honestly can only beat diarmuid since he is a completely close range fighter by nature and everyone else would just outhax sasaki, and cursed arm is fodder to the fate zero cast. Either that or you have the other extreme which is herc under ilya (basically a grail) who is just broken and only ever lost a 1vs1 against gilgamesh otherwise you gotta jump him, medusa under sakura (another grail) which makes her mana and basic abilities sky rocket, saber under either rin or blackened under sakura makes her also OP beyond limit, or cu without restraints who can spam his np 7 times. Regardless it's not really a good comparison, and due to how bad the compatibility is with many servants in these 2 wars I would even say diarmuid who is far weaker than iskandar would still perform better than him against cu, medea and emiya due to his crazy speed, high magic resistance, anti healing and mana negating spears. Herc despite being stronger has no way of beating gilles. Medusa can easily beat iskandar despite being weaker because he doesn't have the mana check against her eyes. Sasaki could beat diarmuid and lancelot yet would most definitely get clowned on by hundred faces hassan. So yeah compatibility is very triumphant here and I would still say that diarmuid and cu are relative in Japan but with different skillset depending on the opponent (just look at diarmuid doing much better against saber than cu but would do nothing against gil while cu can hold up for 12 hours straight)

[@Ultimaxum17x]

im glad someone said it. i never liked how people said diarmuid was a diet cu, when there's literally nothing similar about them, besides being in the same class.

[@monoteozin]

And being irish.

[@ShadowFox10587O]

​@@monoteozin and getting screwed by the plot but that's pretty much all lancers

[@snowboundwhale6860]

And having a cursed spear that inflicts wounds that don't heal

[@Ultimaxum17x]

You guys are in fact right. I neglected to mention those other similarities. I just think he deserves more respect, especially considering how he could’ve won against Artoria, while Cu could barely keep up. In the end it all comes down to who you prefer. I myself prefer Cu, but Diarmuid deserves his credit where it’s due.

[@snowboundwhale6860]

@@Ultimaxum17x Entirely fair

[@Kisa191]

In addition to the points you made, Cu has a passive skill called Battle Continuation that lets him hold himself together for longer than other people could; anything that's not immediately fatal can and will heal over time, and things that ARE immediately fatal are delayed if there's even the slightest chance. Diarmuid's body immediately began to destabilize, Cu probably had another couple minutes if he hadn't used up mana using a rune (as a non-caster) to take Kirei's body with him via fire. Also also, looking at his original myth; Diarmuid is actually part fae, and they do curses...differently. If he'd actually been alive at the start, and used the moment of his true death with that same curse? Whole different story, full of slow lingering miserable death. Just thought you should know.

[@shauqiharris2772]

Even though I'm more of a Saber class fan I still got to admit that both Diarmuid and Cu don't deserve to get shafted just because "Fate" for Lancer class are just cruel.

[@theemperorofthecrimeworld7381]

Diarmuid in his own right is a terrifying lancer, a lot of issues with the lancer class servants is most of them are so powerful, they have to be cheated out. if you actually understand there lore Cu and Diarmuid are scary as hell in terms of powers like artoira shouldn't of won any of her battles at all. plot armor is why she is alive, both of Diarmud's lance are scary as possible one negates all magic and the other causes unchangeable damage.

[@greenking9124]

Dirmude: fought artoria to a standstill and could’ve won Cu: missed even with reverse causality

[@greenking9124]

I love cu more then dirmude and I think he has some good points

[@ebering4.039]

Well, Cu wasn‘t going serious just like his first fight against Archer.

[@nameless_moon]

​@@greenking9124Cu got nerfed by Kirei's command spell.

[@nathanc5108]

I mean cu is one of my favorite characters so i really wish he'd get a story where he's the main characters servent

[@Oh.Nah_]

This dudes lore hypes him up soooo much but it sucks that he didn’t get properly represented in Fate

[@LifenKnight]

Diarmuid master was literally disabled, and the writer wanted to kill them off 2 secs later anyways. so theres anti-cruelty reasons and plot reasons why he didn't kill his master. Though Cu literally kills his master saves Rin and Stabs shinji, only to scare him, he really should have done worst to shinji but he's a kid i guess. So yes Budget Cu.

[@pandorasnyactor474]

look they're both lancers XD they both getting SHAFTED the moment they manifest

[@wiresatyr7790]

Diarmuid is a true man, a true knight and even in his actual lore as a human being I hold him with respect. Also as someone whose blood courses with the DNA of Irish heritage I am appalled by the disrespect of the ignorant

[@darakkriess1030]

The only time us Cu fans actually ate is when fgo came into play, same with Diarmund

[@asterhal5233]

I swear I'm hearing Cu coolin'.

[@nomadmusk]

thank god somebody said it. Now I can come out of hiding for my fav.

[@TheArcSet]

Thanks for this.

[@userperkingmacbeth6715]

I love em both tbh. I remember thinking how cool it was that you can unlock diarmuid as a secret character in unlimited codes.

[@demod2080]

I've seen the memes, and I have to vehemently disagree. There may be similarities between the two in a purely aesthetic level, but Diarmuid and Cu are not even close to being fairly compared. One is a demigod that lived life on his own terms even when people treated him dirty; the other is a knight who is loyal to a fault to everyone who values him not at all. Their stories have depth and tragedy of different kinds. I don't know why people have the nerve to discount Diarmuid just show off Cu, as if he doesn't get more than enough credit as it stands.

[@ConjiYT]

For real. I legit think some people can’t help but see things in black and white. Both are goats anyway so I don’t get the beef lmao

[@christianottley8542]

id say Diamid's death is more pitiful which is supposed to be the point, I don't blame him for being betrayed or lashing out in anger, i doubt id be able to even speak with a spear through my chest so there that, but even still id say the way Cu Chulainn died was just more awesome, so i wouldn't call Diamuid a budget Cu Chulainn but i understand why others would

[@vergiltheartofpower6616]

Since when Diarmud is a Budget Cu? So then Cu is a budget Scathach then? Absolutely no fucking sense

[@gneoz7238]

We didn't see him use his noble phantasm

[@TheDarshes]

I cannot agree with you at least to some degree. The reason Cu goes with style while Diarmuid goes down so bad, is because of Cu' legend that gave him a "Battle Continuation A". Without it Cu would end up like Diarmuid but even in his legend Cu wasn't the person to just go down when he got killed.

[@TsiahIV]

And he earned that battle continuation. Silly argument

[@OrbitWithoutOil]

1 somewhat knew the inveitable 1 was tottally clueless

[@yandereneko5523]

Ain't no way people disrespecting Diarmuid.

[@morsayxd]

the thing is cu did it to save rin as well and in personality cu is more bloodlusted than diarmuid , diarmuid was dejected and only could curse them all

[@VieriTheArtist]

I will say I’m speaking from a bit of bias in Diarmuid’s favor, but I’m not gonna turn down Cu if given the opportunity. Anyways, both lads are strong in their own ways and interesting enough to differentiate the two. They are both very attractive to me so I never could pit them against each other.

[@JadedWarlock]

Tsiah, who are these people? Why are do they think like this?

[@luthfimisbah5103]

Kyaaaa my buff removal-kun can't be this cool?!!! Jokes aside, props to y'all who has Grailed Diarmuid (both Lancer and saber to 100) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (Mind if i add y'all? To borrow diarmuid ofc)

[@Kakaragi]

Urobutcher, lol

[@patricklacey4946]

In addition, they have two different weapons with different effects

[@solastro5595]

But we can agree they both killed themselves.

[@gabrielemblem605]

Cu fought Gilgamesh for a day Cu commited murder suicide and arsonism Cu fought the shadow and a servant at the same time Im sorry but the battle continuation is just crazy

[@lucygirl1111]

both just had the luck of a lancer class servent aka no luck at all

[@thegreatsaiyaman1126]

It’s also the fact that diaramud couldn’t go down swinging The reason Cú Did was because of his battle continuation which allows him to keep going after he does for a bit longer Diaramud doesn’t have that he just dies when he is killed so all he could do is curse out his killers

[@knightofthelake8112]

That's not even it, diarmuid even with fatale blows can still go put swinging as shown in the fgo manga. The problem is that his situation was completely different, cu hated kirei from the get go and any chance to off him was welcome, so cu simply did it when he had the chance. Diarmuid on the otherhand didn't hate kayneth, more so wanted to prove himself, so when he was dyi*g all he had was regret rather than the desire for revenge.

[@Fronsky-mj5tk]

Cu Chulainn is my favourite character.

[@ko_or_helpok9831]

Nah my favorite characters was folded in the heaven's field route I mean I know why but still he got folded no denying that

[@greyhood3447]

I love them both

[@AllOtakuProductions]

They actually had the nervtto call out Diamurd...This why I rearly talked about Fate stuff with other Type Moon fans, cause they either haven't read the entire material or just don't care about investing they're full attention to the plot points that really matter! It's embarrassing to see grown adults conduct themselves in such a childish manner and irritates me as a fellow fan. It's just assinineing! 😮‍💨

[@phonegamer1587]

requesting for a don't sleep on ozymandias

[@2Tune2]

Ppl on the Internet never surprises me how dumb they can be.

[@aidenharris5296]

I swear most people who think this are 1 they don’t know what battle contuation is and 2 thinks that they are the same rank even though diramuid doesn’t even have it

[@lunarSoul0]

Cu was never betrayed by Kiri because Cu never liked or trusted him in the first place. Diarmuid actually trusted his master and was trying his best to be a good knight. Thats the sharp differences between the two.

[@victorsilva5881]

Battle continuation A

[@ObiwanNekody]

In the mythology their deaths are likewise impressive vs kinda pathetic.

[@SobaBTW]

You already know I'm here to defend him. Plus first.

[@paulteuscher3614]

Based

[@Jakob_Herzog]

Hoestly i just felt bad for Diarmuid. Guy has my respect though for the asshole he had to follow

[@TrapConnoisseur.]

I mean to be perfectly honest diarmuid can't solo the camelot gawain fight

[@knightofthelake8112]

I mean he is a Lancer 😂 saber beats lancer every time

[@duelist4512]

I honestly thought tjis was more of an FGO discussion due to how they're trested in that story.

[@PlantPot4]

bro cu fans ain't making fun of diarmuid after cu got packed up in all three routes

[@metlspaz1]

i dont think he is budget cu, but straight up in a fight i think cu beats diarmuid, being partly divine, and one of the fastest burst servants

[@johnmorrison519]

Don't sleep on touko aozaki, please thank you.

[@abhinandannandan3863]

I wonder where these type of people come from

[@blackparabellum]

What show does he talk about tying his intestine to a rock to hold himself up?

[@knightofthelake8112]

It's cu's legend aka his lore

[@blackparabellum]

@@knightofthelake8112 which series is it?

[@knightofthelake8112]

@blackparabellum It's not animated, you can read about it

[@jeffreyherrera5069]

I mean, in FGO, I can see him as a budget Cú Chulainn since he has slightly better survivability than Diarmiud with the guts he has. Furthermore, you're dunking on Cú for getting shafted and named the fight he had with Gilgamesh as one such proof of it while neglecting to mention that 1) Gilgamesh is one of the strongest Servants with access to nearly every weapon in existence, and 2) even accounting for that, Cú fought him off for hours before finally going down. Yeah, he gets shafted a lot, but the fight with Gilgamesh isn't really one of them since he went out like a badass while giving his opponent some trouble in response. I'd argue his fight against Cursed Arm in HF is more fitting to him getting shafted since he got KO'ed before he could fully use his NP to bear.