Rick Beato Is Wrong

The Real Reason Why Music Is Getting Worse: • The Real Reason Why Mu...
Rick's follow-up vid: • I Know You're Angry, S...
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[@emilyharpist]

I think Rick Beato is just making ragebait at this point

[@danielprofeta]

If you look at his comments though, it's entirely in agreement. My dad told me to watch it because it's an example of why music sucks now. I love a lot of Beato's work but this video and a lot of his similar ones rub me the wrong way and do influence the way some people think. It feels like pandering

[@Noooiiiissseee]

You're cool, Emily. 🧎

[@leonsalgeuro]

hey emily

[@sammy0jpeg]

ragey baito

[@Noooiiiissseee]

@@danielprofeta "music sucks now," says people who haven't listened to new music that wasn't a top 40 hit in decades.

[@user-rv5di3gt2x]

This is civil war of Italy

[@Tygor9000]

Underrated comment

[@p0werfu11]

epic

[@IzunaSlap]

who got the Tifa rule 34

[@bzymek7054]

Italian on Italian crime is the biggest problem in this country

[@antlerbraum2881]

He made da needle drop is what he did. He was a brave Italian music critic. And in this house, Anthony Fantano is uh hero. End of story!

[@SilentAttackTV]

The reason people think only good music was made in the past is because only good music gets remembered.

[@wiggy009]

If you actually compare the chart toppers now to what they were all throughout the seventies there’s no comparison which era had the more revolutionary music to the forefront

[@Beetlebum55]

​@@wiggy009 You're still judging music from popularity; the revolutionary music that's being dropped these days doesn't have to be popular or commercially successful to be important for music history.

[@wiggy009]

@@Beetlebum55 tbh I don’t like a lot of the “revolutionary” music coming out now.

[@Beetlebum55]

@@wiggy009rym 2024 chart, look that up

[@Beetlebum55]

@@wiggy009 rym 2024 chart, look that up

[@adrian.eduardo]

Not only did Frank Sinatra have a whole music team behind him to make good stuff, he also had the mafia

[@user-ft6wo8rs5g]

*have

[@Adam-bq6ic]

The Jewish mafia

[@blast_processing6577]

​​​@@Adam-bq6ic : Frank Sinatra's connections to organized crime are well known -- Sam Giancana, Charles Fischetti, Angelo Bruno, Vito Giacalone, etc. etc. -- and it is the *Italian-American* mafia specifically that he had connections to.

[@ktechnology9146]

​​@@Adam-bq6ic Sinatra's mafia connections are well-documented and they were all Italian-Americans.

[@Tomtenthemech]

the good ole days

[@bartbreukels5429]

Rick is an alright dude not too pessimistic most of the time. Going into his comment section is pretty much like getting struck by the lightning of 5000 boomers😭😭

[@smashingairguitars]

😂🤣😂🤣💀💀

[@user-hj9fk6us6s]

And seeing his thumbnails ig

[@SF2036]

Correct. It is annoying how people over a certain age only seem to care about bands who got signed.. And not just signed but signed in the heyday of physical albums

[@AFellowCyberman]

Seen some comments saying "grunge ruined music 😤" lmao

[@SF2036]

@@AFellowCyberman The group of stubborn annoying white males aged 55-65 who religiously believe Van Halen and Rush were the pinnacle of human achievement. I know that's an awful stereotype but as someone who is getting close to that age himself, I get a pass. Annoys the piss out of me

[@renblais1274]

The fact that Beato measures people's interest in music based on whether they are literally googling "music" is kind of indicative of how out of touch he really is.

[@capitainalex]

Exactly, like how could you make that argument.most people are looking that stuff up on the social media that he claims us zoomers so are interested in. And then he does the same shit with movies and video games.

[@l1p0v]

I was laughing so hard at that part, he was saying it with such a straight face.

[@nkk_23]

it’s crazy that he said “interest in social media is rising so no one wants to make music anymore” well yeah because the term “social media” didn’t widely exist in 2004??

[@shambhav9534]

I think people are less inclined to google a term like music. Why would you ever do that? I think we could use some kind of adjacent term related to music, that people would actually google. Also, I think during the early days, people would just look up "music" to find some music related thing they might be interested in. Nowadays though, we only do so to find out what music is. The only reason I'd google it is if I were a middle school student doing research for a cheesy essay. I guess "social media" is a hotter topic.

[@MegaMEGATRUCK]

It's like the most played out piece of "data" for any "you fell off" argument at this point. I'm surprised he didn't go on to say that Music has 0 viewers on Twitch and 0 active players on Steam

[@TheClevelandSteamer]

Fantano really went straight to “Meet the Beatos” crazy

[@GuiasMaurelChile]

"There's too much garbage music nowadays" Like, there wasn't thousands of albums with just 1 hit and 10 filler songs

[@GoemonLovesFujiko]

Yes - in a sea of great albums.

[@WaveGazer]

The difference is back then...those filler songs didn't make it on to the radio or top of the charts. Now those songs do get pushed to the forefront.

[@gummypoppa]

@@GoemonLovesFujikoThere‘s so many amazing albums out right now. Maybe do some better digging?

[@GoemonLovesFujiko]

@@gummypoppa clearly I was commenting on the second half of OP’s comment. Back then good music was ubiquitous. You didn’t have to dig. Maybe you should now days. But if one needs to dig to find good music then the present bears no resemblance to the past.

[@goat9629]

@@GoemonLovesFujiko in 50 years time, only the good music of today will be remembered, and will seem ubiquitous, - the awful bubblegum music of the 70s isnt remembered is it?

[@Gorbgorbenson]

Anthony is wrong. In 2004 we had 100% music.

[@Taylor_5724]

just imagine what we had in 2003. Music beyond what the human mind can even imagine

[@RUSHYRUSHY39]

Ah yes, my main way of finding new and exciting music. Googling… “music.”

[@Tygor9000]

2002 music would literally blow your mind

[@fatheroflies]

in that brief golden age, the only thing anybody googled was simply... music. this is what they took from you

[@aertos_xas]

And in 2001, another plane hit the...

[@marioalarcon2973]

bjork i think said something like if the music doesnt have soul, its the artist that didnt put it in the first place, dont blame the machine

[@J.U.N.K.official]

Based Björk😊

[@WobblyBits_X]

I think this highlights why "AI music" sucks too. There's no actual artist involved so it can't have soul no matter how competent you can get it to sound. It's just flat noise with no meaning or intention.

[@J.U.N.K.official]

@@WobblyBits_X on point🙌

[@OrgaNik_Music]

@@WobblyBits_X Yep, exactly right. Everything AI spits out is just noise, whether it's music, images, text or videos. And I don't mean the artistic kind of noise.

[@lasagnahog7695]

@@WobblyBits_X Yeah, it's why I'm not worried about AI destroying art. At worst it will make it harder to make money from art which does suck in a capitalist society. But good human made art will exist as long as humans exist.

[@ceci7783]

all of his vids abt the state of ‘modern music’ gives me the vibes he only listens to pop radio stations

[@ThisBirdHasFlown]

That's what he's referring to... modern mainstream music.

[@Meechell]

@@ThisBirdHasFlownWhich believe it or not… isn’t all pop!

[@nolaffinmatter]

⁠@@ThisBirdHasFlownI agree that most (but definitely not all) of the chart topping hit songs are bland. But there’s a huge amount of great music getting made if you dig a just little bit deeper. The problem with Rick Beato and his audience is that they don’t ACTUALLY want to discover good new music, they just want to complain. If Beato thinks that the songs on the Top 10 Singles chart suck, then he should use his channel to promote musicians who aren’t on the charts. Which he occasionally does, but not nearly as often as he posts his lazy “This Ed Sheeran song is boring, therefore good music is completely dead” videos.

[@ccubsfan94]

He usually pulls data from top streams

[@ashcarrier6606]

Well, I've often heard some variation of, "Good music is out there, you just have to look for it." To which I think, "I didn't have to look for it before. I just had to turn on my radio."

[@hobochangba7638]

You wouldn’t be saying this if you bought the Beato Book

[@slartibartfast1268]

It would be better if Rick spent more time creating things like his Beato book and less on the politics of modern music like he is currently doing.

[@mwright80]

What? That chord syllabus? Whatever.

[@user-dj9iu2et3r]

@@mwright80it’s more than that, for sure.

[@J.C...]

Who buys the Beato book these days when it takes about 20 seconds to get it free? 😂 It's literally just reference material. He took a bunch of crap on the Internet, put it all in a book with zero thought on how he put it all together, and added NOTHING. 90% of it it is BS charts and crap. There's nothing to teach you anything there. It's just a reference to look stuff up, which you can do wayyyy easier on google. Like a paper encyclopedia 🤦

[@user-fu8ch3mg8y]

@@J.C... this is why you suck at playing guitar, and not knowing what are u playing 🤣

[@vixo551]

People in the 70s be like "music is dying, I haven't heard a doo wop song in 20 years, all these kids only care about their noisy guitars, where is the singing?"

[@chiefchimp2789]

Yeah.....but "Kashmir" came out in the 70's so...

[@fatheroflies]

@@chiefchimp2789 okay but was he old yet?

[@GuyWhoLikesTheSnarkies1435]

Like, progressive rock was the big viral thing at the time and so many critics were **actually** disparaging them to death despite the undeniable importance they eventually contributed for the music industry by opening up a brand new, almost alien creative possibility like nothing else before. Among the (in)famous ones was none other than the biggest Beatles' connoisseur in history and a former critic of Anthony Fantano himself, Robert Christgau.

[@GuyWhoLikesTheSnarkies1435]

@@chiefchimp2789 Led Zeppelin was exactly a prime example of musical group the kind of critic mentioned by Op would've despised very dearly. I mean, c'mon now 😂

[@chiefchimp2789]

@@GuyWhoLikesTheSnarkies1435 I'm not entirely sure about that as Zep would have been a band that was around for a decade or so by that point with multiple charting singles. I see what you're saying but I don't think Beato is as closed-minded as this narrative is (although I do agree that his recent videos were a bit jarring and came off as unhinged rants that mostly gave me a laugh).

[@Deemo202]

….I don’t care about the subject matter of the video. Rick is short for Richard, so is the name Dick. This man’s name is basically Dick Beato.

[@ruskaaret]

Beatony Meatano

[@jeremyscheatday7305]

Man, I didn’t want to like this, but you earned it.

[@marshalllittle2098]

Dick Beat Offo

[@lesternomo6578]

me when im a chronic masturbator with a speech impediment

[@rayyankhan387]

Low blow

[@PassionVictimTV]

Rick forgot that electric guitars, amps, and pedals are also technology

[@ThisBirdHasFlown]

This is such a moronic counterargument... guitars, amps and pedals don't write songs for you. They don't in any sense remove the "human factor" he goes so much on about. Please explain to me how that's comparable to autotune and AI. Dumbing down his argument to "technology bad" is painfully juvenile and grossly misses the point.

[@DanChickHolla]

​@@ThisBirdHasFlown Fretted instruments are essentially just auto-tune for instruments, but Rick's not bemoaning how rigid sounding guitars are compared to violins. Recording music literally allows for a performance of your music to be played in someone's living room on demand as often as they'd like without you being in the same continent or even holding a guitar while they listen. It's one of the most drastic removals of the "human element" in the history of music. You'd be hard-pressed to think of a music technology that doesn't automatize some aspect of music, and the entire history of music is a series of technological developments shaping the next generation of music. It's just that people often take the aspects of music they grew up with for granted.

[@ceemac9631]

@@DanChickHollaSaying fretted instruments serve as “auto tune” is an outrageous take, considering a fretted instrument is just an INDICATION of a certain note. This would differ inconsequentially from a piano and its keys. So according to your philosophy, that guided notes (e.g. frets) work as “auto tune” i guess Beethoven, Bach, and Chopin all used auto tune. Good luck making that argument to anyone lol

[@DanChickHolla]

​@@ceemac9631 If you read my whole post, you shouldn't be surprised to hear me say that Bach, Beethoven and Chopin ABSOLUTELY benefited from the technological advancements of their time. If musicians of Bach's time were as crotchety as Beato, they'd be complaining that Beethoven and Chopin could just hold a key down and let it sound for a whole measure without a trill. Those lazy twats didn't even need to over-legato, they could just hold their foot down on this magical pedal and it'd sustain the tones for them! The Moonlight Sonata is just an ode to how sloppy keyboardists' fingering could be by the late classical period. Bach himself wrote a whole book of music showing off how his new-fangled well-tempered keyboard allowed him to play in different keys without manually retuning his instrument in-between. I don't wish to argue about the semantics or which innovations are the most analogous, but just to address your response on fretted instruments briefly, frets are not merely an indication of a note. You cannot make an inaccurate intonation on a fretted instrument. A guitarist's technique for achieving a finger vibrato are different for a reason; moving your finger back and forth between the frets would do nothing.

[@DanChickHolla]

@@ceemac9631 ​ If you read my whole post, you shouldn't be surprised to hear me say that Bach, Beethoven and Chopin ABSOLUTELY benefited from the technological advancements of their time. If musicians of Bach's time were as crotchety as Beato, they'd be complaining that Beethoven and Chopin could just hold a key down and let it sound for a whole measure without a trill. Those lazy twats didn't even need to over-legato, they could just hold their foot down on this magical pedal and it'd sustain the notes for them! The Moonlight Sonata is just an ode to how sloppy keyboardists' fingering could be by the late classical period. Bach himself wrote a whole book of music showing off how his new-fangled well-tempered keyboard allowed him to play in different keys without manually retuning his instrument in-between. I don't wish to argue about the semantics or which innovations are the most analogous, but just to address your response on fretted instruments briefly, frets are not merely an indication of a note. You cannot make an inaccurate intonation on a fretted instrument. A guitarist's technique for achieving a finger vibrato are different for a reason; moving your finger back and forth between the frets would do nothing.

[@gazeer_]

"The creative dependency on technology limits the ability of people to innovate" RICK, YOU'RE A PRODUCER; YOU RELY, DEPEND AND THRIVE ON TECHNOLOGY

[@DavidBennettPiano]

19:28 the thing that annoyed me in Rick’s original video is him using Led Zeppelin as some sort of gold standard, however Led Zeppelin barely touched the Billboard charts or any pop singles charts for that matter. It’s apples and oranges.

[@soarel325]

Didn't their albums regularly reach the top of the charts? They were an album band, not a singles band

[@DavidBennettPiano]

@@soarel325 precisely! If you look at the modern ALBUM charts it’s a very different story! Rick compares an old ALBUM band like Led Zeppelin with modern SINGLES CHARTS artists. It's an unfair comparison

[@PennyroyallBlew]

No to mention how much they stole creatively from other artists. They are not as inventive as he thinks they are.

[@wesleymidgley4699]

@@PennyroyallBlewonly really on their debut

[@TwoWrights]

LZ didn’t release singles. They released albums. Those recordings were worked on by each member to make the songs and the album as perfect as they can be while also being palatable to an audience who bought more singles than albums. It’s not just apples and oranges. It’s apples and orange cake. I work in a studio around the same level as Beato’s and he’s just like my bosses who started in the 70s and 80s, except they don’t hate all recording techniques invented after 1993.

[@christopherdunn974]

Not Like Us (Fantano version)

[@GuyWhoLikesTheSnarkies1435]

This is just a warm-up drill, his "Like That" before shit's about to get spicy.

[@Schlagageul]

@@GuyWhoLikesTheSnarkies1435 Can't wait for his "Meet the Grahams"

[@Capsone206]

Look music, I’m sorry that beato is…..:

[@countyfacts6920]

Certified boomer

[@ThisDude234]

​@@countyfacts6920 Wop wop wop wop wop, Melon fuck em up

[@mommyjeans9483]

At a certain age, you just become the old man yelling at clouds. It'll happen to us all.

[@michaelrochester48]

At a certain age, your taste in music will be if you don’t like Taylor Swift you’re generally not up on the current music. The 24 people who liked your post is a bunch of losers.

[@mommyjeans9483]

@@michaelrochester48 There's more good music being made now than any time in history, but also more bad music than ever, because we have more access to artists than we ever had. If you can't find new music you like, it's a skill issue buddy. Also, your comment doesn't make any sense. Are you saying when you get old, you end up liking Taylor Swift? Maybe learn how to form a proper sentence before you call random people losers.

[@keloonpa58.62]

@@michaelrochester48you’d that that someone of your age would know how to write a comprehensible comment.

[@MwahMwahProductions]

I'm like that with what they call 'melodic techno' these days, it's trance repackaged. Don't even get me started on what passes for hip-hop...

[@edgarwalk5637]

I'm approaching 50 fast, I still love todays music. My mother is 87, and still finds something to like.

[@WaylonMcPhersonGuitar]

Negative news tends to get more clicks. Just look at TV news shows. There's so much more positivity happening in the musical world and beyond that I'd rather focus on.

[@peje1961]

rick fell into the cycle of shitting on newer generations. "yall kids have it so easy, back in my day..."

[@chiarosuburekeni9325]

The scary thing is everyone does this. None of us are above this. Now we may be further away from it happening, but it will happen. It’s human nature.

[@Brain-Wormed]

​@@chiarosuburekeni9325I wouldnt say everyone dose this, there are deffinqtly some very open minded people who are resistent to this way of thinking but I will agree that it is very easy to think like this.

[@bazzfromthebackground3696]

You should hear him teaching guitar technique. He makes it sound like you need a 4 year degree to put your fingers on the strings.

[@cannibalisticrequiem]

​Sure not "everyone" does this, but way too many people do! What's really fucking frustrating is how each generation proclaims that "They won't do this when they get older", because they were rightly annoyed when older generations did it to them, end up turning around and doing it to the newer generations once they hit their mid 30s/early 40s. It's a result of becoming more conservative as you age, as well as getting further and further away from one's youth that it's like people forget what it was like, along with falling into the same trap of romanticizing the past that the older generations do, and just not being interested in remembering what it was really like, and just going off the vibes of nostalgia and how it makes you feel good, and basing your entire perspective off that.

[@masdalon]

Really do not think he is shitting on the new music generation. His own presentation is pretty friendly and not hostile, just sharing an opinion with his own analysis. if you disagree, that's cool. However, I think there's some truth and value in his story of being a music fan early on before streaming services. I thought there's a real point being made there that I can understand

[@samuelschwager]

“I've come up with a set of rules that describe our reactions to technologies: 1. Anything that is in the world when you’re born is normal and ordinary and is just a natural part of the way the world works. 2. Anything that's invented between when you’re fifteen and thirty-five is new and exciting and revolutionary and you can probably get a career in it. 3. Anything invented after you're thirty-five is against the natural order of things.” - Douglas Adams

[@CoolGutrun]

Douglas Adams may be the most humorous and insightful authour I've ever read. Taken too soon.

[@alejandroserrano7755]

Accurate af

[@srglzrmj]

I mean, the consequences of generative AI are starting to get worrisome for the state of culture and creativity, but hey, maybe I feel that way because I’m just about to turn 35.

[@oliverfern8039]

​@srglzrmj as someone in their 20s, I can assure you that I am just as worried

[@liamneedsauniquehandle]

@@srglzrmj i just think it's a scam honestly

[@Alex-cw3rz]

I think the easiest way to prove him wrong is ask anyone who watched his video what year music went bad and then ask rick beato and every single one would give not just different years but their will be entire decades difference. Rick's cut off seems to be 1990s, which I think everyone can already think of dozens of songs off the top of their head past then that sounded great.

[@rikitiksound]

there is no quality control in lots of modern music .. and no musicaly education wrong notes evrywhere ..a wrong note is a wrong note modern music or old music.

[@arielogwin780]

“I find it so amazing when people tell me that electronic music has no soul. You can't blame the computer. If there's no soul in the music, it's because nobody put it there.” -Björk

[@joezawinulreviewsandreacti2509]

Exactly look at Joe Zawinul

[@armondtanz]

Bjork gettin a lot of quotes. Music IS the worst it's been. If u lived through the 90s youd know. All they go on about on the news is taylor swift. That's it... Just shows u were we are at.

[@physicseducation69]

@@armondtanz jUsT sHoWs YoU wHeRe We aRe aT lmfao. Bro watches the news for his daily dose of music. "Music is the worst it's been" according to whom? CEO of music or the self proclaimed KZbin critics with no real job lmfao.

[@Jasperr9999]

​@@armondtanz I can't imagine basing my opinion on the state of music off of watching THE NEWS of all things. Broaden your perception a bit and you'll realize music is NOT at the worst it's been.

[@armondtanz]

@@Jasperr9999 it is . This comment section is 100% proof. And yes the news is an indicator of grade A musicians. There are non because no one is mentioning them in the comments. That alone speaks a 1000s words. Kids addicted to social media has killed the pool of talent. Go take a look at ispeed when he goes out. They the new rock n rollers.

[@j-ivey]

Every day I wake up, make a cup of coffee, and google "music" to find something to listen to

[@SpaceCattttt]

Pathetic. You have no real taste of your own, have you? I knew a person once who, when asked what their favourite music was, said: "The radio". No knowledge of anything. Just listening to whatever is playing at the moment. The crap that's been selected for you...

[@christophernixonart]

😂

[@deadaccount03791]

oh for sure, its the only way to find music, you wouldn't possibly use the platforms that music is hosted on, and look up specific artists' names, or specific genres, or specific time periods and instruments, rick is a true intellectual and music lover just like us you see

[@j-ivey]

@@deadaccount03791 as you know, using newer technology leads to the downfall of music

[@numberoneinternetprovider]

Everyday I wake up, I smoke weed, fill my belly with diet soda, and play Burnout Revenge for the PS2

[@GlennSmith-m2e]

His kid is probably still refusing to play the oboe.

[@brendank5413]

To Anthony's point on people picking up instruments and practicing them, I feel like the guitar world has been popping off lately.

[@apoclypse]

This. I've actually seen more kids on KZbin/Tik Tok doing amazing things on instruments. The other day my friend sent me a video of an 10 year old Indian girl on a talent shredding. So I don't know what Beato is talking about.

[@brendank5413]

@@apoclypse that's awesome. I personally think it's still cool when someone plays, and I see it all the time

[@BallMuncher555]

My brother and some of his friends started a band. And I know plenty of kids into playing the guitar.

[@brendank5413]

@@BallMuncher555 that's awesome

[@apoclypse]

@@BallMuncher555 What Beato said doesn’t even make sense. Sales of guitars has only been increasing steadily in the US. Not everyone is abandoning instruments for a laptop. He didn’t do any real research. Just your typical KZbinr who thinks because they said something it must be true. Why would they think otherwise when you have a whole circle jerk of comments giving you affirmation.

[@jeffbrown-hill7739]

To quote Billy Joel, "the good old days weren't always good and tomorrow ain't as bad as it seems".

[@TallicaMan1986]

@@jeffbrown-hill7739 Look deeper into that. That also implies the present might not be that good if the good ol days weren't that good. I think people are just too defence and act like civilization only goes one way, Progress. Nah, we had to take a few steps back a few times before and this one of those instances.

[@jeffbrown-hill7739]

​@@TallicaMan1986Agreed.

[@k.s.nichols4060]

Right, but current music is nonsense.

[@christiansanders1]

@@k.s.nichols4060ALL current music? EVERYTHING made in the present day, inside and outside the mainstream, is nonsense?

[@tristankerr3655]

​@@k.s.nichols4060Mainstream music mainly yes but there's still some great songs being written

[@tomvandersluys446]

NO ONE IS GOOGLING MUSIC Holy shit hahahahhaa. This man is a professional music producer what the fuck

[@PhoenixDowned]

That point is so funny, the guy claims to know what's wrong with music today but doesn't even know how we interact with it.

[@WolverineTheApex]

Yea I didn't get what he was trying to do there.

[@H3II0TH3RE]

I'm honestly glad fantano supports modern music I didn't think he would before I rly started watching him

[@tomvandersluys446]

Beato comes home to his wife, dismayed, and says “honey, I went into the local community centre today and looked at the notice board. Not a single flyer made by someone looking for fellow musicians to start a band. Rock music is truly dead.”

[@razvra]

I went into Google Trends and typed "anal sex". You wouldn't believe the dip. Seems people just aren't doing it anymore :/

[@smartin5534]

Rick Beato is a "Drum Machines Have No Soul" bumper sticker that fell off a Chevy Tahoe, came to life, and started a KZbin channel.

[@onionpalac]

This whole comment itself should be a bumper sticker :)

[@icykazuha4451]

LMAO

[@leob4403]

Is that really a common bumper sticker that people have? Strange

[@brianrollins4418]

As with so many things, there's a lot of nuance in this matter. Full disclosure, I'm a boomer and a music teacher since 1994. I use technology frequently both as an educator and for my own musical pursuits. As my musical timeline parallels Rick, my spin is that his main points are that technology has created shortcuts that allow for the creation of product that due to the sonic purity of the presets is immediately commercially viable and as you stated, this has led to an oversaturated market. As a result, finding work that exhibits distinction has become more laborious and mainstream music has devolved. This has led to a miseducation of the general public as to what artfully rendered music sounds like. I totally agree with you that 'crap' music has always been with us; I tell my students there are works from antiquity that were devoid of artistic merit and they have been relegated to the dust bin of history accordingly. What I feel has changed is that current technology for MOST aspiring musicians tends to strongly suggest to them WHAT to do with musical material versus coming up with their OWN ideas FIRST then determining how technology can help them realize these. In my experience with my own students, that's where the originality of each individual will shine through, which I argue is what has been appealing in every time period. As an example, I loathe the idea of pulling up a chord-set and just dragging it into a project. A musician's approach to harmony has always been one of their most signature traits, regardless if it obeyed the 'rules' of the time. Offering up a plethora of chord-sets neuters that part of the process. I totally agree that a determined and curious writer could still exercise discretion in these choices but as I've witnessed with my students, they simply pick something that sounds OK and once they find that, they very rarely investigate changing that for effect. There is something to be said for the struggle to acquire knowledge for one's personal inventory of skills; the process itself tends to yield more unique expressions.

[@aristideregnier4883]

1000% agreed. Most level headed comment here, but young people won't hear any of the critical parts of what you said, they'll just hear "ha ha boomer yellong at clouds" And this is why their generation's music is crap

[@brandonedwardnorth]

As a millennial musician who learned the old fashioned ways (from sitting with other people and learning from them/learning songs) and also am painfully aware I won't be anything but an intermediate player skill wise, kids really need to hear this. Especially about harmony. The struggle to learn without strict guideposts is the foundation of music. It is what folk music comes out of. Technology is giving so many options that its taking away the struggle to be unique in even a minuscule way, which leads to roads that technology simply cannot dredge up because it based on the past outcomes, not future possibilities. Its like googling an answer rather than contemplating the possibilities. Googling is going by signposted roads; contemplating is going into the wilds.

[@physicseducation69]

@@aristideregnier4883 And they're right considering most of you aren't even good at capturing nuance or avoiding generalization. Your own comment is an example. And don't give me this "this generation, that generation". Practically, your generation was worse in every single aspect of social & political life. Regardless, not all music from your generation is even good. Very little & only the best are remembered & celebrated. Stop taking credit like every single member of your generation was responsible for ground breaking music.

[@rach9466]

@@physicseducation69I appreciate how you accuse them for generalizing and then do the same thing. And you’re labelling their time as ‘worse in every way’ with your own myopic opinion - of course - you know best do you, simply because you’re younger? It’s the reverse probably - less wisdom and less life experience.

[@shanekopischke5129]

@@rach9466I can feel the boomer just radiating off this comment

[@nicholaswood3250]

The ironic thing about the technology argument Rick Beato is making here is that when he plugs “music” and “hip hop” into google trends, he’s falling victim to his own critique, ie. that technology makes you lazy, in that he’s using technology to prove his point in the laziest way possible

[@harrygreenfeld4964]

That's a bloody good point.

[@McDonaldsCalifornia]

It illustrates the differing mindsets of using technology for convenience and using it to experiment and explore. Beato obviously falls into the first camp and just assumes that everyone is there, when really it shows that age seems to have dulled his curiosity and will to explore.

[@vickjr98]

👏👏👏💯 well said

[@joserodall7321]

So… he is correct then ? 😅

[@daviebananas1735]

@@joserodall7321he’s not correct at all. It’s just that nobody uses Google to find music these days. We have so many other avenues that we didn’t have AT ALL in 2005.

[@AnastasiaThemis]

Rick Beato if he was a chef "Food was better before the oven, now everything is so easy. You used to have to watch carefully over a fire to make sure the food cooks just right and now we have timers?"

[@BarrackObamna]

I actually prefer open fire cooking to an oven cooked meal. The key here is understanding preferences are different for everyone. That’s okay.

[@valdezsaihttam5871]

​@@BarrackObamnathanks obama

[@thejournalist8091]

⁠@@BarrackObamnaI read this in your voice. Thank you Barrack

[@jjhaya]

@@BarrackObamna Folks, let me tell you something - this Obama guy, he really doesn't know what he's talking about when it comes to cooking. I mean, open fire cooking? What is he, some kind of caveman? No, no, no, we have the best ovens, the greatest ovens, the likes of which the world has never seen before. Believe me, I know more about cooking than anyone. Just ask my beautiful wife, Melania - she'll tell you, I'm the best chef, the best cook you've ever seen. So, Barack, let me tell you something - you don't know what you're talking about when it comes to cooking. Leave it to the professionals, leave it to the experts. Because when it comes to making America's cuisine great again, there's only one person for the job - and that's Donald J. Trump. Believe me.

[@chrisdick2305]

​@@BarrackObamnano the point is he's making an analogy, and a good one. And I'm sure you rush out to the open fire after a hard day at the office 5 days a week.

[@MrFelo17]

I want a debate on this topic between Rick and Anthony

[@unleashedbread6146]

melon is just mad he doesn’t have a haircut like rick

[@RobeLifeMusic]

With Beato's large platform, he could be using it to push more independent artists(which he has before), but it seems like he keeps leaning into "new music bad", which makes a lot of clicks for the kind of audience that's too lazy to look for new music.

[@chiarosuburekeni9325]

Grifting is a kind of easy, fairly low effort way to rake in the cash. Now I’m not saying that’s all Rick does, a lot of his content is absolutely fantastic. Dude has one of the best music channels on the Internet. All I’m saying is he knows his audience 💵💰🤑💸 Give the masses a little red meat and they’ll give you enough bread to buy your summer home 💀💀

[@cathardiannature2746]

Hes literally a boomer what do you expect? He does a good job at pushing relatively talented contemporary guitar players.

[@GuyWhoLikesTheSnarkies1435]

Man complaining about why music keeps "getting worse" while simultaneously never using his platform responsibly to bring exposure to multitude of newer or youth artists and groups out there could never get more ironically out of touch than that. I mean, gosh! There have been waves of younger or youth artists and groups out there such as Caroline Polachek, Ginger Roots, Squid, Hakushi Hasegawa, underscores, Hiatus Kaiyote, Martha Skye Murphy, Arooj Aftab, Jockstrap, Little Simz, Amaarae, Julia Holter etc, who have been pushing new spin on creativity in such interesting ways since the past few years alone. Yet, I've never seen him giving a single shout out to one of those names in separate videos other than his regular Billboard reaction stuff..

[@huckthatdish]

When he analyzes individual modern songs he generally likes and praises them. He’s definitely just whining because it’s popular

[@GuyWhoLikesTheSnarkies1435]

Also, this is going to be my hot take as a passive subscriber of him: Him "christening" Willow Smith and her latest record as an example of his token representation on what constitutes as the ideal "good music" is so disingenuously misleading. Like, you can't be more obvious at influencing people with a narrative there. Especially when she herself has been making music partly as a coping mechanism and **in spite of** the conservative influences around her.

[@FERMUSICA]

I've been googling "rick beato is wrong" for the past few days just to find someone finally speak up about this

[@DarkNinjaOfShadows]

Rick needs to pull up that Google trend data.

[@JC20XX]

Pat Finnerty Show

[@scottpetersen3404]

Same

[@virajdeshpande3701]

Same, I've been coming back to Fantano intermittently just to see if he has addressed it, because I thought he would. Finally.

[@Nick_CF]

@@FERMUSICA you should have been googling music...come on

[@jjberg83]

There's a lot more of EVERYTHING now. So more good and more bad. But I do miss the imperfect recording quality. It just sounds more...personal? Less sterile I guess.

[@seabassdarapper]

How are things more quantized now than in the 80's when drum machines didn't have swing functionality or off the grid programming? The argument makes literally zero sense

[@whenelvescry2625]

rick beato's entire video formula is basically like if a food critic walked into a mcdonalds, ordered the entire dollar menu, and then made a video complaining about the disappearance of haute cuisine

[@aw11348]

That is so on point, wow

[@jimthesalad]

This is a good analogy. There's nothing wrong with having something in McDonald's, it's just not the type of food that a fancy restaurant would make. It also reaches way more people...

[@jacksondolly3248]

But his entire point is literally that anyone now CAN make haute cuisine and get famous for it, without going to culinary school and going up the ladder. Almost all of the pop stars now, especially in Hip Hop, have almost zero actual musical knowledge, like which chords go with each other, how to build a song etc. Do you know how many songs nowadays are just: intro, verse, chorus, verse chorus, bridge, chorus, chorus, chorus and fade out? they're like barely 2-3 minutes long because they don't have the talent to carry a 6 minute song, and the fans also don't have the attention span to follow it, because they don't actually LISTEN to it. They'll hear the lyrics and post them on a motivational post on IG, but couldn't give a rats ass about the music behind it. Like Herbie Hancock's "Headhunters" literally only has 4 songs on the ENTIRE album, and those 4 songs possess more ideas and concepts and talent than almost every modern pop artist's entire discography combined. It's not "old man yells at cloud" to say that modern technology has enabled the entire populace with a laptop and fruity-loops to be able to "make music" and start a career out of it. That's why people make fun of soundcloud rappers and indie folk singers; they oversaturate an already completely oversaturated market and allow everyone to "have a chance". We do need to start gatekeeping music making more and only letting actual musicians become famous. It's sad how some of the best actual musicians are in non main-stream spaces and will probably never get heard because they also play with other actual musicians and it becomes a vicious cycle. Look at the Zildjian Live series here on youtube and pick any video, and just pick out a single musician, not necessarily the drummer, and go down a rabbit hole of what groups and bands they're a part of. Every single member of Snarky Puppy and the Ghost-Note band has more musical talent individually than the entire modern music industry combined......and it's not even close. But they won't ever see the main-stream because the VAST majority of people don't actually even like music, they like the artist's "brand" and only follow them because they're famous.

[@rohinsengupta1176]

​@@jacksondolly3248ain't nobody reading allat

[@ShivamMeTimbers]

@@jacksondolly3248 dude you live in a very secluded bubble, and you preconceived notions about people not caring for musicality are so pretentious it’s actually cartoony, I suggest getting some bitches

[@mcolville]

Phil Collins, one of only three people to sell over 100 million records both as a member of a band, and a solo artist, only exploded as a songwriter once he started using a drum machine. He'd noddle on it until he got a beat he liked, and he'd let it run while he sang and played piano over it. Tons of drum machines in Collins' hits.

[@gx1tar1er]

And Collins pioneered famous 80s gated reverb snare sound

[@Sporro55]

common Matt Colville W

[@sasukesarutobi3862]

@@mcolville He was also a very technically accomplished drummer himself - you only need to hear his work with Genesis and Brand X to see that he had no trouble playing the drums himself!

[@MatthewFors-f8x]

but isn't phil collins music literally the most soulless you can get? didn't they use his music in american psycho as an example of corporate trash?

[@TheMattmatic]

Also Stewart Copeland mentioned how Sting wrote a song based on a Casio preset in an interview with, you guessed it, Rick Beato.

[@selbalamir]

Anyone that claims rules for music is an administrator, not an artist.

[@ozzfan458]

Actually, producers do go through and say "thats my snare" when using samples. But they've been doing it for years. Killing in the name by RATM (I'm almost certain) has the same kick sample in it as "blurry" by puddle of mudd. Both mixed by Andy Wallace. Funny part is, i learned all that from Rick 😂😂

[@Jaspertine]

I've heard anecdotes (no concrete proof, sorry) that certain Baroque composers were disgusted by the adoption of the Piano over the Harpsichord, because pianos could sustain notes and chords rather than needing to play trills and arpeggios, and this newfangled technology was just making composers lazy.

[@miimasterCharlie]

We actually recently discussed this in class, can confirm

[@TallicaMan1986]

Couldn't this be explained with he needs to use his feet for those sustained chords? This one can be demonstrated pretty easily I think. Outside of the timbre of a harpsi. A piano does the same, but with added functions. No one complained when the whammy bar became a guitar thing because it still sounds good when used Properly.

[@BennettLin]

To be fair, though, I have several friends whose favorite period is the Baroque, whereas I've never met anyone who favors the Galant, which came right after. So in this particular case, maybe the curmudgeons had a point.

[@its3amagain.]

that's actually an inspiring story

[@Jaspertine]

@@TallicaMan1986 I dunno. It's an anecdote music teachers tell their students, and for all I know they made it up. The point is that musicians have been whining about innovation "cheapening the craft" for actual centuries.

[@HazelSolitaire]

Rick misses the point of today's landscape entirely. Music is not easier to make, Music Making is just more accessible. Along with the Internet being so widespread, we're now able to listen to a million new musical ideas, both good and bad. I find it odd a music fan like him would go to such lengths to try and gatekeep what could become the new wave of tomorrow just because some teenagers dump their tepid beats on soundcloud.

[@user-hj9fk6us6s]

It's like the "would we be better off without technology" debate except applied to music, something much more low-stakes. People are always going to be able to make low-quality music and high-quality music, more tools are available now to do both more effectively.

[@ronanmcintyre]

Exactly, at one point he was describing how difficult it used to be to make music and how that somehow made the music better but all I could hear was that access to money and industry connections used to be essential to being successful in music and now it's not. His arguments are so unbalanced and unnuanced that he doesn't even mention any counterpoints to his own arguments or any potential benefits of the things he doesn't like, he just says they're bad. Boomers gonna boomer

[@ZackAngelMusic]

Music is definitely easier to make. Even from scratch. There is so much free information to learn an instrument online.

[@auberginedreams00]

Music is absolutely easier to make than ever, I say that as a musician. It’s still hard to make great music, but most music listeners don’t care about the actual quality of it. That being said it’s still hard to make music and good that more people are able to now

[@august06_]

its the new wave of the future!

[@Nocturnal_Spectre]

When will you drop the Rick Beato diss track?

[@SIBIRIAKcom]

the main thing I hate about Beato is the fact that instead of this endless whining he could spend those 30 minutes showcasing modern artists who actually possess and present those qualities that he is so desperately seeking for.

[@robyn5812]

He didn’t even use Google Trends right. When he looked up genres of music he looked them up under “search term” instead of “music genre”. He says search term country music is down 50% in America but if you look up the genre its down 20%

[@GuyWhoLikesTheSnarkies1435]

I guess most average Rick's fans are just going to gloss over your reply here and look for the convenience to drop the same kind of "in defense of" refutation elsewhere lol 🤭

[@BeersAndBeatsPDX]

He also ignored the fact that search engines are almost unusable now and there's no need to even use them for anything let alone finding music.

[@HerreraAlonso]

Since mozart die everything has been downhill

[@cheesecakelasagna]

*souljaboy

[@fensteroffen]

best of mozart has been released posthum

[@Ckxlv31147]

since Mozart started composing*

[@tiluriso]

I love Classical music and Mozart too, but I beg to differ. Since J.S. Bach die, everything has been downhill ;)

[@HerreraAlonso]

@@tiluriso hahahha i was kidding by the way

[@warnerbasement1628]

I'm a drummer and Beato isn't saying electronic drums can't be impactful and moving. I've been revisiting Big Black post Albini's death and you can't have a live drummer on a track like Kerosene because the composition and tone of that song is entirely dependent on the relentless, tireless and alienting quality of "Roland" creating an atmosphere so bleak and endless the narrator wants to set themselves on fire. Beato is say that quantizing takes a live drumming performance -- with all its imperfections and nuances -- and turns it into and elctronic drum performance and in that assessment he's correct. He plays a quantized version of "Fool in the Rain", and it sucks because Bonham intentionally utilized funk drumming techniques to play the snare hit slightly behind the hi hat as the main time keeper. The ghost note of the half time shuffle was dead on the triplet subcount. That created tension and release by design. Quantize that and you strip all that away. His point isn't that electronic drums are less impactful or meaningful it's that quantizing is lazy and takes subtle variations of human performance and throws them out the window.

[@ming8261]

I think quantizing can change certain aspects of drumming. I make music on the cheap as I can't afford a drumset and I resort to chopping up drum samples, quantizingis incredibly useful and dynamic tool for the right situations. I think using quantizing on songs like Fool in the Rain is a strawman because that is not a situation in which it may belong, but for jungle and other electronic genres that rely heavily on sampling? It's incredibly useful. I think it's important here to call back to what fantano was saying that it might be a problem for rock music, but there are so many ways to use this technology that generalising it based on one usage in one genre is ridiculous

[@OakLawnRoyalty]

Ultimately a song is the sum of its parts. If you have an amazing live drum performance but the rest of the instruments can't support it (and vice versa), what good is it? If electronic drums can improve it, who cares?

[@ftlpope]

You cannot underestimate the role of instrument/production technology and the commercial/business elements of music before you begin to consider artistic creativity.

[@brock5001]

The correct level of technology is what existed when I was 23.

[@DarthCookieKS]

Nobody likes you when you’re 23

[@joesmith4443]

I agree but then why are Millennials & Gen Z reviving Vinyl and say it “sounds” better?

[@Randy950]

@@joesmith4443 Because it sounds better.

[@joesmith4443]

@@Randy950 😂

[@joesmith4443]

@@Randy950 50% of ALL vinyl records sold are not even opened and bought by those who don’t even own a turntable. Not to mention “collectible” “variants” & virgin vinyl vs recycled then preach about climate change & pollution 🤣

[@queztocoaxial]

Alternate title: Old Man Yells At SoundCloud

[@J.U.N.K.official]

Good one there😂😂

[@OutOfPrintHardcore]

🏆

[@Benedetta-Marcarini]

Underrated comment

[@huwmorgan74]

What's a 'soundcloud' heheh

[@theelectricant98]

GET IN THE BOOTH

[@cirquedude123]

I like his videos too but you’re absolutely correct. I don’t know what he thinks he’s playing at.

[@darioparisi6863]

One important thing Rick didn't consider is that music that is perfectly in grid might be almost necessary for some genres. A DJ playing electronic music probably has to have tracks where the beats are aligned to the grid or it might sound weird...

[@bazzfromthebackground3696]

Rick Beato is frequently wrong. He's said in multiple videos that he stopped doing research into his own field of study because he just thinks music isn't as good anymore.

[@blakeunderwood1075]

Terrible take. The man is aware there’s good music out there. Just not in the mainstream. Lol

[@dvd72]

@@blakeunderwood1075 he chooses to ignore good new music and thinks that bad music is now all music which it definitely isn't

[@HerbaceousM8]

@@blakeunderwood1075 also the music he likes is somewhat dated, there is nothing wrong with liking 80s-00s rock, but its been a minimum of 25 years

It's not. There are all kinds of studies on lyrics, chord and rhythm changes, melodies and counter melodies, etc. Music today is way dumbed down. Where are the anthems and ear worms that will stand the test of time?

[@brunogaxiola9519]

Listen to more music

[@ElliotRobertsVideos]

Well put, Anthony. I think a major factor that Rick didn't mention is the total corporatisation of the music inudstry. *Popular* artists used to be allowed the time and space to create truly interesting and innovative music which was then supported by radio and television shows that huge swathes of the population listened to and watched (because there was nothing else!) Whereas these days record labels are so beholden to algorithms, TikTok Views, and the almighty dollar that artists aren't given nearly as much creative freedom to take risks and try new things. We keep hearing from artists from all ends of the success-spectrum that they are struggling to fund their tours, studio time, and equipment because they're simply not paid enough. This is the fault of gigantic coporations like Spotify, Ticketmaster, and the big three labels, that focus purely on constant growth and not CREATIVE growth. That must be hugely demotivating for artists. But regardless of all of that... there's still so much incredible music coming out if Rick was willing to look past the Spotify/Billboard Top 10! Blaming the declining interest in music on the attention span of artists and their listeners is minimising the most glaring problem facing music today: The coporate greed & creative hollowing-out of the music industry.

[@aR0ttenBANANA]

Well said but then again, he is a pop producer which is why he only uses top X lists for his examples which is logical in context.

[@prettyshinyspaghetti8332]

Elliot! When's the Ringo ranking coming out?

[@swagmund_freud6669]

One of Rick's best videos that I thought was just gonna be another old man yells at cloud video is a video where he goes in on the 1996 Telecommunications act (Fuck the 1996 telecommunications act all my homies hate the 1996 telecommunications act) and how it destroyed most local radio in the US. It was like "wow a tangible reason for why popular music may not be as high quality as it used to be", never thought I'd see the day.

[@brentivison4942]

Corporate greed was a big thing when popular music was better as well. Think 50s-70s. It's nothing new. What changed is labels had to come up with new ways to make money once album sales declined in the 2000s. SoundCloud rap is what we got.

[@parkermudsen1063]

Good points. Some of what you say are reasons why I like an artist like Kendrick Lamar who has the freedom to take years to create his albums.

[@lh457725]

You and Rick MUST SIT DOWN AND HAVE A DEBATE/CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS! IT WOULD BE FANTASTIC!

[@theothertonydutch]

Rick Beato has turned from old man looking at the clouds and seeing cool shapes in them to old man yelling at cloud. I can not have these type of clear-minded discussion in real life with people who act and think this way. It just baffles me to the point where I am at a loss for word and just feel like whatever I say just results in them moving the goal-post. It's just exhausting.

[@AvenEngineer]

Ironically, Rick did an interview with Seal where Seal explains that "Kiss from a Rose" was inspired by reading the Tascam 244 owners manual. Damn you technology!!!

[@prodigalsorcerer1415]

Hahaha

[@AvenEngineer]

Seal also says, in the same interview, that he didn't know how to play an instrument when he wrote that song. Genius just kinda finds a way within it's own context.

[@CoNiCuZn]

On the grave tho?!?!?!? 🔥

[@NickSBailey]

@@AvenEngineer I don't entirely believe that, I'm sure there was a lot of instinct going on though and people don't use that enough these days, sometimes it's better to feel than think

[@AvenEngineer]

@@NickSBailey I may not have expressed my point clearly, because I completely agree with you. It's often better to feel than think. I'm not a musician, but I have read the Tascam 244 manual. It didn't inspire me to create a masterpiece. Musical genius existed inside Seal's head, that even he was unaware of in the moment. The tools at his disposal are just a conduit through which his genius expressed itself. This song specifically is the expression of an artist experimenting with new technology, not technical mastery of that technology. I find new artists online that blow my mind virtually everyday. They're making completely new sounds with new gear. In my view, there has never been more technical mastery of traditional musical instruments. The kids graduating from Berkley, Juilliard, or 100 other art programs around the world, by the thousands, are unbelievably good.

[@nah8780]

lol someone said this under one of his videos and it's way too on point "someone tell Rick to stop filming videos on his phone, go out and buy an old camera with some 35mm film and go film and edit his videos like they did in the good old days, the new technology is making music content creators lazy smh"

[@-47-]

Someone should mail that comment to him by pigeon

[@kd2mill]

The point of the "new technology" is that people are skipping music theory and hard work, as well as creativity. Instead, they "sample" old music and loop everything with digital copies, throw in a few new words and claim a hit. If you want to say that is creative, go ahead, but it's not original.

[@essghee149]

It’s the lack of creativity that’s the issue, not technology advancing. Music is much ‘simpler’ now than ever before despite all of the technological advances. That’s because people are using tech to do the work for them instead of as a tool. No craftsmanship.

[@maxkasmr]

@@kd2mill what a tired, boring boomer take. The Beatles infamously didn't know music theory. most successful bands and artists don't know anything other than basic theory, they just make music that sounds good. also on sampling, half the songs in the charts right now are not based around samples. go listen to J Dilla or Madlib and try to pretend sampling isn't impressive. also, Prince programmed drum machines, and he absolutely had more talent than any of your favorites.

[@macaron3141592653]

He didn't say old tech is better or that new tech is bad, moreso that the new tech is allowing music to get worse. This is a misrepresentation of his point.

[@shelveDEMO]

"I don't know about Beato." -A very wise man

[@Sammeep02]

Rick: "Gen Z doesn't care about music" Me: Learned about 70s Genesis from other gen Zs on the internet and consequently enjoyed two years of intense prog fandom.

[@369TurtleMan]

Disgusting that the media will ignore this Italian-on-Italian crime

[@OrgaNik_Music]

r/ShitAmericansSay

[@DumbyDooDoo]

I think Rick is right on this one. You see, back in my day, I had to save up twenty sheep, drive them to market to sell, and pay a luthier to make my gittern. THEN, I had to hire a carriage to travel four towns over to learn THREE CHORDS from a minstrel. My first book of tabs cost me a dozen shillings. I'm lucky to make that in a season! Kids these days have it too easy. By the way, if you know any dulcimer players, my band is looking for one. We play our first show at Count Edmond's court for the Countess's fifteenth birthday.

[@christiansoto1367]

I don’t think my generation have it easy especially what is happening today because of the government after the pandemic. Out of respect, just because you didn’t have it “easy” doesn’t mean everyone should have the same experience you had. The main issue is we don’t have opportunities because no one even guided our generation the right way.

[@virajdeshpande3701]

​@@christiansoto1367 You realize the original comment is satire, right?

[@faeriegraver]

Did you actually read the comment you replied to? ​@@christiansoto1367

[@shambhav9534]

Rick Beato did make a very good point here but didn't connect it right. I think, because it's so easy to listen to music, people do so without actually properly getting into it. Guess what they listen to? Bland pop. (back in the day, these people would not buy records or actively make radio requests; they wouldn't show up) Also, because it's so easy to listen to bland pop, people properly into music also run across it, when in the past, who could imagine wasting _money_ on such a thing? The Least Common Denominator Music appears more popular nowadays because of how people consume music these days. I genuinely think good music acts are less likely to become among the most world renowned these days. But that's not a big deal because it's not real popularity; it's just apparent. TikTokification, is, IMO a real thing, however. It discourages emotional depth. How can you, if you only have 15 seconds?

[@ulink265]

⁠@@shambhav9534this is just not true, ask any person older than 35 and you’ll se how most of them like regular pop or the traditional stuff people like on your country, just from their time, and even some current day pop, and it’s not like tik tok is the way people listen to music, tv shows, ads and movies also aren’t good ways to listen to music (you can discover music on all of these tho)

[@nothingbutcrem]

RIck Beato is an amazing content creator but his argument is just a limitation of his mindset. He is stuck in the worldview he developed during his generation when he was learning music. Someday a Gen Z or Gen Alpha person will make a video about how Fantano is wrong and they will be right (it's probably already happened). This is the circle of life - even if you put effort into understanding the current trends and feelings of the world if you are older you will never have your finger on the pulse quite like the people who are ACTUALLY growing up and experiencing that generations culture as it's being created. That's why you should stay curious! I think we all fall trap to not understanding whatever generation is below us and I think our human tendency is to often discount or even fear things we don't fully understand but there is learning that can go both ways no matter what age.

[@RXBannedit]

What band shirt is that?

[@classicbananamilk]

rick beato more like click baito

[@Minnevan]

yes

[@stewroo]

Absolute magic. You win today.

[@chiarosuburekeni9325]

Exactly. It all boils down to this.

[@UnStop4ble]

gottem

[@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342]

effing destroyed beato on that one lololol

[@tapashalister2250]

Bro said "technology stifles innovation" as if pretty much every major genre of music from the past century isn't the directresult of technological innovations.

[@The16thninja]

Stagnant technology stifles innovation. Go ahead and tell me what technological innovations have come out in music in the past 20 years.

[@s.s9221]

@@The16thninjaAutotune? DAWs? Easier access to music making, equipment getting cheaper and cheaper to the point an entire studio is just a few hundred dollars

[@The16thninja]

@@s.s9221 Autotune and DAWs have been around for over 25 years at this point. The first iPhone came out in less than 25 years than when the CD player was released for reference.

[@virajdeshpande3701]

​@@The16thninja Autotune and DAWs have evolved exponentially in the last 25 years, to the point that it's way easier to record music at home nowadays, which is why we got Billie Eilish. Social media is an innovation that makes it easier than back in the day for artists to find new fans which, in turn, make it easier to make more music. The equipment keeps getting better, however, that's slower than it used to be. Great music is still being made because of technology.

[@The16thninja]

@@virajdeshpande3701 they really haven't evolved that much at all actually, they've just gotten a bit more intuitive and easy to use. Social media is not a musical innovation.

[@sirtrevor149]

It feels like Rick gets amnesia about good new music when he's alone and talking with other people around his age, and gets amnesia about those thoughts and conversations when he's around younger people playing good new music or older artists that own synthesizers. He can have a lot of great opinions, fair starting points, and fantastic technical insight and excitement about music theory, but when the camera is on he seems to always get hung up on little things in new popular songs, or between videos seems to forget about the new stuff he enjoys or was recommended. I wonder, if he had someone to help curate his own comments and fact check his ideas before he makes a video about them, if it might help some of these issues.

[@CrypticDiabolo]

He really did have an Oldhead moment though

[@bruuuuuuuhh]

The google trends points basically says this dude has no idea what he’s talking about with music nowadays

[@capitainalex]

I know right it just annoys me that he bases his whole argument on that after claiming he's good at understanding technology. Like no not at all

[@AsexTwin]

interest in playboi carti’s upcoming album “MUSIC” has been declining since 2004. face it, pop music is dead

[@Beat_daK0tonai_oi]

It's like realizing your grandpa is suffering from Alzheimer's

[@soulyukon2642]

I love the part where you dive into the trash of the 70’s because that’s exactly the same as what people try to explain about Video Games from the early 90’s late 80’s. There was TONS of garbage, but the sands of time have washed those games away. Thus people have rose-tinted glasses around that period of time.

[@username.exenotfound2943]

i think hes saying the trash then is better than the trash now EXCPET theres now far more trash than in all the eras combined or at least will soon be

[@soulyukon2642]

@@username.exenotfound2943 trash then was honestly just as/if not more abysmal than it is now. But like Fantano said, it’s a matter of tastes not an objective measure of what’s happening in music. I feel like games discourse devolves into the same logic. People often can’t separate their taste from the real, historical banality of the current gen. There’s good and bad across all decades.

[@xBINARYGODx]

@@username.exenotfound2943 more trash, more good stuff, more of everything - acting like the only thing there is more of is trash means you're just doing what the old man is doing - editing. Going into a store stuffed with CD's back in the 90's = most of it was trash. You just want to focus on the non-trash. Anyway, there is some great music from people with low follows. Just like you needed to leave the top ten 30 years ago for a ton of great stuff, you have to do it now, just differently.

[@stijn4771]

Exactly this! People tend to forget it and only remember the highlights. Which is understandable, that's how the human brain works. However, take a look at a random top 40 hit chart from the 60's and chances are you'll know only 1 or 2 songs.

[@jankbunky4279]

Games from the 80's are generally bad and incredibly "small" compared to modern standards. Of course there's a fair amount of genuinely great games, but by and large the medium in the 80's was held back immensely by limited technology and low budgets.

[@impulserhaltung]

I mean there is the saying "abundance is the enemy of creativity" but honestly I wholeheartedly agree that it's easy to compare contemporary music with past decades when the only thing you take into account is what has survived the test of time.

[@getricegreenberg2010]

this gonna be the drake vs kendrick 2024 of youtube music content creators

[@theray4002]

rick beato when he hears a song he personally dislikes: “it seems music was objectively better when i was younger”

[@Jeremy-hx7zj]

Its so silly, doesn't he know that MY preferences are the ones that are objective?

[@jacksondolly3248]

But you do realize Deep Purple's "Pictures of Home", or Emerson Lake and Palmers "Tarkus", or Led Zeppelins, "In the Light", or Iron Maiden's "Rime of the Ancient Mariner", "Alexander the Great", "Hallowed be Thy Name" etc are all miles and miles and miles better thought out, executed, and recorded than anything produced today?

[@Jeremy-hx7zj]

@@jacksondolly3248 oh yeah that's right I forgot. We bow down to your generation's objective superiority!! Might as well just stop making new music, amirite?

[@Billiamwoods]

​@@jacksondolly3248No? Cause it's not true

[@taroumaru3869]

@@jacksondolly3248listen to anything produced by thundercat please

[@pinkraven4402]

Rick's judgement that today's music sucks based on Spotify top 10 is like a guy taking a glass of water from the ocean, seeing there's no fish in the glass and concluding that therefore there are no fish in the ocean

[@fortheloveofmusic860]

No. Rick gets a glass of water from the ocean handed to him. He takes a nip and bases his opinion of the whole ocean on that one nip. But he's not alone in that, a lot of people do. While most people don't even take a nip but just look at the glass.

[@f4gsforpele]

@@fortheloveofmusic860*sip

[@djrydak]

Beautiful analogy

[@OArchivesX]

This is a dumb comment. Spotify top 10 tells you what most average people like... It's called extrapolation lmao. If 99% of music is bad, and I have to go searching for the 1% that is good, unique, and actually quality. Then I can confidently say "most modern music is bad", is that wrong?

[@TallicaMan1986]

@@OArchivesX no, not logic. These kids are too emotional they can't handle it. The majority of these kids commenting are born after the 2000s. Literally born to hear the music of today with very little reference and live reference of the music that came before it. The ocean wasn't a polluted hell hole back then.

[@TheaterPup]

I've literally never Googled the word "music" in my life, lol.

[@sirperry69]

Since we’re now evidently in the sludge and mire of “content comparisons “, let’s not get ahead of ourselves and forget that 50% of Ricks’s “content “ has been showcasing and meticulously breaking down the current Spotify top tens (etc). Respectfully I might add. Last two vids might have been a bit cringe , but he deserves respect for being an old head who consistently seems to want to challenge his own biases .

[@9-b_b-9]

I feel like Rick just keeps finding TikTok music and getting upset lol

[@outlavv9892]

well, who wouldn’t?

[@fartingmantis]

​@@outlavv9892what he meant was that rick only listens to the surface level of modern music and gets all angry and upset .but ignores the modern gems that are not so popular

[@9-b_b-9]

@fartingmantis I made this comment before he brought that up in my watch through of the video but I think it still stands. I think he's on tiktok probably has a lot of exposure to that realm of music, much of which can be absolute garbage

[@djdjdjwjhehdi]

​@@fartingmantisyes he need to replace spotify top 10 with some other top 10 music.

[@shootinputin6332]

I'd be upset if I had to use tiktok, too

[@ratatouisvuitton864]

The immediate cut to SOPHIE absolutely obliterating a synth/beat on her computer after rick's spiel about the dependence on technology being bad for innovation literally KILLED ME omg

[@drummerAVA]

I almost can’t take people’s criticisms on “modern music” seriously anymore if they haven’t listened to SOPHIE or formed an opinion on PC Music… which is probably a bit pretentious and wrong of me, but it’s become so ingrained in my musical “worldview” that I really can’t help it.

[@cheesecakelasagna]

@@drummerAVA Not even PC Music, just ask for their opinion on Björk. Watch them try to box her capability/proficiency in music by which song they bring up.

[@dmndz]

This is the closest we'll get to a "The Sopranos" continuation

[@forestsunset9617]

I love the idea of streaming, I just hate the fact artists don't get paid enough from it

[@treyturner9707]

Move over Kendrick vs Drake. It's time for Melon vs Rick

[@BB8B8]

THEY BALD LIKE US THEY BALD LIKE US THEY BALD LIKE US

[@iamuhura]

I hope we get another Cal Chuchesta track out of this

[@StevenSenegalU]

Rick would lose his mind if he found out about Aphex Twin

[@huwmorgan74]

I knew his sister, she didn't even want to talk about him.

[@riotbearrr]

Rick's or aphex's? ​@@huwmorgan74

[@ShirubaGin]

​@@huwmorgan74rick's sister or Aphex Twin's twin?

[@TallicaMan1986]

@@ShirubaGin probably Aphex twin. Rick's Sister randomly appearson stream sometimes in the comments.

[@taroumaru3869]

Aphex twin also has some of the most random pieces of software used in his music so I think anyone would loose their mind at looking at his production

[@rotisseriechickenlover-jb4cc]

thanks for dropping this video. rick beatos video was so braindead it needed a response

[@mantax55]

How many videos about him being wrong have been coming out as of late?

[@theoldkidrocker]

the more right he is the more the he is wrongs come out... guess it's thought as help a channel

[@wcg66]

My problem with modern music is that there is way too much good stuff to keep up with! It’s seriously overwhelming.

[@AFellowCyberman]

​​@@nickl2854Rick needs to listen to some Knocked Loose at the mosh pits and King Gizzard & The Lizard Wizard. It will change his life.

[@angelsunemtoledocabllero5801]

lol

[@angelsunemtoledocabllero5801]

​@@nickl2854That's what I Teel to my 80 year old Grandpa. "Stop being lazy and just listen 100 gecs."

There really isn't. I suggest you go listen to the 60's-90's

@@AFellowCyberman Lol he definitely knows that stuff.

[@joecold1243]

Thinking that higher difficulty equals better quality is absolutely a Boomer mindset and the main reason I stopped paying attention to Beato

[@user-hj9fk6us6s]

That's the dumbest thing I've heard in my life lmao. It's like saying "we should fight in wars so we become stronger." He probably says that too doesn't he

[@MedalionDS9]

@@user-hj9fk6us6s Well that last statement is an extreme but not wrong entirely. If you live in total peace, you become complacent when nothing challenges you, so when time an actual threat comes back, you are so out of shape/practice.

[@SoundsOfTheWild3]

If he used like standards of musicality in the industry instead of music, then it makes somewhat more sense.

[@benjamincarmona3703]

​@@MedalionDS9cool, got any actual source for that statement? Sounds something that would need some actual evidence to back up

[@theviniso]

Why do I have the feeling that the same people who say this also don't like Polyphia for being tryharders or something lol

[@lesimprosdulezardvert1342]

Rick Beato is talking about another time, my time too, but with my passion for music, I have access to way more music now. But we loose perhaps the "religious" thing about having the album, reading and listening to it, but the fact is, I can access to more music that I can buy

[@wyattfields6965]

The google trends bit made me laugh so hard. That poor, sweet old man.

[@davetwo7]

Rick Beato is unironically an old man yelling at the clouds.

[@gclip9883]

At least he's self-aware.

[@cheesecakelasagna]

@@gclip9883 Awareness isn't a redeeming trait, Bojack.

[@eadred9164]

Rap sucks. You're just too afraid to say it

[@communionshaped]

rick is just mad he’ll never know how to sample a pen click over a quantized beat that is sampled from the sounds of obama coughing and some weird noise spongebob made in one of the earlier seasons

[@HarriedPedestrian]

I’m sure he grieves that every day.

[@ShigesatoItoi]

jpegmafia beat

[@miimasterCharlie]

​@@ShigesatoItoi 😭😭😭

[@torepedersen3109]

gottem

[@Tables-zm7db]

​@@miimasterCharliehes actually refrencing the actual samples jpeg used in a song

[@sistawoman1]

You effectively refute some of Beato’s arguments. I think that the topics of AI and the marketing of digital music are worthy of debating. I agree that folks have selective memories when it comes to classic rock. Take a look at the top 40 hits from any week during the 60s or 70s - there are quite a few songs I recognize as having been awful, and a whole other set that I don’t recall at all. But the music biz back then was no model of perfection either. Today we have algorithms that lead us down the same paths we have already trod. Back then you had gatekeepers selecting the songs that would become hits. Maybe you and Rick should do a joint session where you discuss these topics face to face. That would be interesting.

[@mattymogue]

Things being harder to do may not make it better, but it makes me respect it more, which I find more important when deciding what artist I'd like to support.

[@jorgeortega6806]

SOPHIE understood the power behind technology being applied to music

[@that_icy_stylish_bitch]

Obviously, but so did so many other producers, even many that came before her?

[@rudeskalamander]

most people don't realize how incredibly influential SOPHIE was

[@erichargis7466]

I absolutely couldn't agree more

[@AnthonyNelms]

She didn't however understand gravity.... 😂😂😂😂

[@magiklam2991]

I still miss her everyday damn it😔

[@AP-wc1kf]

My two dads are fighting

[@aurum1235]

lol

[@crxyy6252]

Cringe

[@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342]

Fantaner sux but at least he means well and tries to be a nice enough guy and beato like REALLY sucks azz lololol. And you love them both which means you suck the hardest jfc lolz.

[@vasvas8914]

Stop watching Fantano and reconcile them

[@warnerbasement1628]

Beato is also ignoring the in house early DIYish ethos of say Motown which recorded out of a house on a street -- not some tricked out studio. Or the scrappy eras of punk and post punk where recording was done super cheap on the fly in dingy basements with crappy accoustics. In that respect he ignores the reality that DIY had always been somewhat sub par sonically or at the very least "challenging" or in some cases game changing in that limited sonic pallette. Beato seems to want every album to sound like Aja or have that endless production tinkering which is ironic because that tinkering was the equivalent of pro tools at the time. There's not a millisecond of true multi instrumentalist live interplay, improvisation or nuance on a Steely Dan album post 1975. It's produced to death and while some of it's awesome alot of that type is equally souless, and sanitized in it's own way. Sure they were smart enough to let Bernard Purdie set the drum track down and leave it alone but everything else was run through the washer 50 times to acheive "perfection".

[@KevinWayne]

Are you actually proving Rick's point... Jw.

[@Alianger]

He's a rockist and a pop-phobic...