Fantastic Four BOMBS at the Box Office -

The Fantastic Four film bombed at the box office, making only $26 million in the first weekend -- what went wrong?
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[@kempessfa1946]

It's like they keep making movies only to keep the rights to keep making movies.

[@arbingordon7508]

The funny part is, this movie only came about because Fox was afrsid of losing the rights to Marvel lol

[@arbingordon7508]

hscphase What makes it worse is that they're still "committed" to making FF movies. I know it's unlikely, but it's best to join collab with Marvel or just sell the rights back. They focused too much on building this connecting universe and focused less on story and character development

[@DrLeatherface]

fox literally waited until the very last second of the 7 year window to make this movie.

[@1216Rockman]

+Kempes SFA Thats exactly how the Amazing Spider-Man was made I can't wait till Amazing Spider-Man 3 OH WAIT!! They really gotta stop doing that at least the first Amazing Spider-Man was decent but this one tranks out the gate yeah Marvel is getting their shit back

[@davidmaglioli7048]

Kempes SFA Fantastic 4 (2005), Fant4stic, Dragonball Evolution. Films all made by Fox Studios for the sake of maintaining the rights to the ips.

[@strain42]

Ian watches Ultraman? That's one of the first things he has ever said that made me think he and I could be friends.

[@sooljim]

This podcast is an excellent climax to the "speculate about the FF movie" arc that Pat and Ian have had going for many months now. I feel satisfied.

[@FUgameCrue]

thats so great people thought it was the bomb. i knew it was gonna do well

[@dwarfbunni]

FUgameCrue then you have very faulty psychic powers.

[@FUgameCrue]

Art Evol nope. my mama said they were great

[@rogersherman3546]

Kevin Smith interviewed Josh Trank for like 8 hours and its broken up into four interviews. The whole time he talks about how awesome Chronicle was and how the producers and him had a fantastic relationship. I was happy to hear it bombed, it will teaach Trank to be humble and he wont ruin a Star Wars movie at least!

[@JoshuaBarkdull]

This could be FANTASTIC news for Arrested Development Season 5.

[@puffnisse]

Are you in the wrong comment section?

[@JoshuaBarkdull]

No the original low budget fantastic four played a central part of the Arrested Development Season 4 story arc. This new flop happening right as production for Season 5 is shaping up could come into play.

[@puffnisse]

***** What even was the joke?

[@puffnisse]

***** Nevermind, got it, just didn't know the reference.

[@MrTatsubei]

Ian watches Ultraman?! That's my favorite childhood TV series.

[@pxlsicle]

Chris Lockhart I'm a huge Ultraman nut! Own a bunch of the series'. It's my comfort food TV. Heck, even my KZbin icon has been Golden Tiga since I signed up =D

[@FIXTREME]

+Ian Ferguson how about Gridman?

[@FIXTREME]

+Ian Ferguson how about Gridman?

[@MrTatsubei]

Ian Ferguson Yeah I just noticed. I lived in Japan when I was a kid so I watched Ultraman Cosmos when it originally aired. Looking back the special effects are less than impressive but it has a special place in my heart.

[@pxlsicle]

Chris Lockhart Sorry to say, I don't know it =[

[@Mikey_Darko]

Ians looking like John lennon more and more everyday

[@ThomasRBowen-gq3jr]

is anyone else just sick of comic book movies in general?

[@MrZachtheKingsfan]

Thomas R. Bowen Nope. Pretty much up until Avengers came out, comic book films were taken for granted. They were either taken for granted, or just done horribly wrong. Now we finally are seeing super hero mash ups on the big screen? Count me in.

[@MrZachtheKingsfan]

Vampirerockstar Yeah, someone is not a DC fanboy.

[@mar78andres28]

I'm starting to get a bit tired of them my self, pretty soon we'll be so saturated by them that we won't care and we'll feel like meh, another comic book movie again...

[@tostin1980]

No. They are some of the best films out there and reinvigorate the box office when done right.

[@tostin1980]

+Vampirerockstar you sound like a DC fanboy. Last great Marvel film was AntMan. Regardless of box office it was good.

[@electricmastro]

Apparently, the movie's setup takes way too long and results in a smaller amount of time for a proper confrontation and conclusion. At least with Man of Steel there was a proper setup, confrontation, and conclusion.

[@steverempel8584]

Here's hoping that this movie bomb will convince Fox Studios to give the fantastic four up to the Marvel Cinematic Universe!

[@G1megatron]

Pat called it them sprinkling Fantastic Four into Phase 4 and a movie possible coming out in 2024

[@DaveFu]

The rumor mill according to Collider talk is that Trank was promised 3 action set pieces, they got pulled immediately prior to filming, and Trank tried to make the best of it. The Studio hated the no action movie and then shoehorned the final battle it in. When they pulled Trank, who knows what they did and did not use of his film. If Trank gets past this, this will be his Alien3 ala David Fincher.

[@scrammedeggs2322]

Fox actually cut out 3 major action set pieces for budget and over 40 pages of the script. Aka, the second act.

[@vicariousfan]

Kenny Schultz that wouldn't have made it any better. There was nothing you could add that would have made it better. This is the end of Josh Trank's directing career.

[@timmer919hep]

Vicarious Fan Good. Trank is a hack. I'm still shocked there are people who liked "Chronicle" (the found footage "superhero" movie). His original vision for F4 was apparently some kind of cronenberg style science fiction movie. I don't see that turning out any better than what we got. In fact, it probably would have been worse.

[@scrammedeggs2322]

Are you kidding me? It would have been infinitely better. For one it would have been a complete movie. Secondly, it would have been a better handling of doom. He wouldn't have just come back out of nowhere. He wouldn't have just wanted to destroy the world. I think this movie could have hit 65% had they just left the script as it was.

[@vicariousfan]

Kenny Schultz no it really wouldn't have they would have still had a bad Doom, bad acting by the main cast and a story no one cares about.

[@scrammedeggs2322]

Bad acting because they lost hope with the project. And a story nobody cared about?!? Nobody cared about it because it wasn't a story! They CUT OUT OVER 40 FUCKING PAGES. NO SHIT THE STORY SUCKS. THEY ELIMINATED THE SECOND ACT! THE PRIMARY PART OF THE STORY!! God, how do you not get that?

[@katsujinken10]

X-Men does not belong in the Marvel Cinematic Universe Ian. They don't ever make sense in context with the rest of Marvel. A universe where The Human Torch is a celebrity for having super powers but Pyro from X-Men has essentially the exact same super powers and people are like "Fuck you fuckin' mutant!"

[@rangerreview1780]

katsujinken10 The FF are not all loved. They get sued countless times. And are expected to pay for city damages.

[@kingkold]

Yes , they do belong how can they not belong. They exist in the comics , but not the movies . it's insane

[@katsujinken10]

kingkold They don't make sense in the comics either. So because one person gets super powers because they they were mutated by radiation as an adult, people are okay with that but if you got powers from radiation passed along at birth that manifested during puberty as an allegory for homosexuality or whatever then you better watch out for your equivalent of the KKK or the government sending giant robots after you? That makes no sense existing together.

[@chrisholmes1809]

katsujinken10 It makes perfect sense. The fantastic four are all rich, famous for being amazing scientists or something else before they became metahumans. They weren't born mutated. Think of the Fantastic four like a bunch of caitlyn jenners. People love that ..chick? But most people don't like normal transgendered people who aren't famous.

[@kingkold]

+katsujinken10 well originally speaking the fantastic 4 got they powers before the out break of mutant hysteria . plus they were astronauts and they are looked as heros. Plus it maybe been sympathy on the publics part cause of their accident . plus the fantastic 4 have had tons of problems not to mention reeds and sues son Is a mutant

[@PaleHorseShabuShabu]

As far as movie rights goes, Universal sort of holds distribution rights to another Hulk solo movie. What I mean by that is that if Disney/Marvel were to make, say, Planet Hulk or World War Hulk, Universal would contractually have the right to say whether or not the movie would be distributed by Universal or not. From what I can tell, Disney/Marvel would pay for the cost of production while Universal would throw money into advertisement, merchandise production, and getting the movie into theaters. Once I learned this, I did some research into why that would be such a big deal. It turns out that there are a ton of variables, but the simple answer is that both Disney and Universal would have to come to an agreement on how much each studio would share in the estimated profits of not only the theatrical release, but also stuff like the merchandise, DVD and soundtrack sales, etc.

[@MrRasmus1980]

I just wanted to thank Ian for recommending Planetary around 8:41. If you love comics, there is so much to love in that one.

[@Launchpad05]

When you get a lower tomato score than '50 Shades Of Grey', you done fucked up!

[@markuscone]

what my theater insider people told me was that Trank used most of the money that he was given for the movie and the house that the studio gave him to just party with him and his friends. His ONLY previous other film is Chronicle which was stupid, and in no way should have given these studios so much confidence in this guy. He is only 31, they put him up in a huge mansion and gave him a bunch of money and he went nuts with it. I gotta wonder why the studio felt he was the right person, dumped so much money on him, AND were planning for him to direct one of the stand-alone Star Wars movies. Thank goodness he sabotaged himself.

[@perspectivedetective]

Wow, I'm really glad I decided to see Ant Man last weekend instead of Fantastic Four.

[@AndyLifeInVideo]

Is it just me, or does Ian's T-Rex arms bother anyone else?

[@AndyLifeInVideo]

James Brincefield - Me neither! Maybe if it was to stretch his back for a sec, but to hold it for that long seems like his arms would go numb after a couple minutes.

[@Rountree1985]

Is it just me or does how someone holds their arms not affect me in the slightest?

[@BanditGaming479]

I like the longer podcasts! 10-15 minutes is always better

[@ShaunRF]

I don't know about Trank's version having less action. It was leaked that the studio made him take out three major action scenes. There is evidence of this in the trailer. The part where Thing is jumping from a plane isn't in the final cut of the movie. There is also leaked behind the scenes footage of scenes involving the Fantasti-Car that aren't in the final movie.

[@Megared82]

All I can say about the Fantastic Four movies is don't look at me, my favorite line up of the Fantastic Four was when She-Hulk replaced the Thing.

[@zacharygardner2469]

I love CUPodcast. You guys should have a guest sometime (if they could fit in the room).

[@rickconsort2671]

The only FF commercials that they're still playing are the Denny's commercials. I thought it was weird the trailer wasn't being shown on TV anymore.

[@rcarfang2]

So basically this was like the 2005 version where the Fantastic Four fights no crime.

[@jesotx2637]

I want Marvel to get Fantastic Four back and to force an X-Men movie deal so they can do House of M.

[@pepsitate8019]

I agree with Pat to a large extent. If you have a vision for something that you are passionate about make it something your own. Not something someone else has already created.

[@ladynikkie]

saw the DVD at Walmart and walked passed it picked up Hotel Transylvania 2 instead lol

[@JamesL1976]

Insiders say Fox pulled 3 massive action set-pieces right before shooting began to save money. I liked the direction it was going with the darker, scarier tone when they get their powers. Trank isn't to blame for this movie, Fox hijacked the edit bay and locked him out, then embargoed the film from critics.

[@JeffCompass]

I'm upset that it sucks. Fantastic 4 were one of my favorite comic book series as a kid. Hell, I even played the Plug n Play of F4 to death.

[@LowQualityCheese]

There's a doc about the '94 movie?

[@mildlyamusingcunt]

Im drinking a Ballast Point right now as well. Cheers Ian......CLINK*

[@Skywalker-zu7od]

Please do a 30 minute segment on Pat's high school experience

[@buck342443]

I think FOX will simply start turning the X-MEN spinoffs into movies, like X-Factor, X-Force, New Mutants, Alpha Flight and etc.

[@AsianTheDomination]

buck342443 I would like an x factor movie

[@buck342443]

KainScion I didn't say I was wishing it just that I believe this is the route Fox will take.

[@1216Rockman]

+buck342443 Yeah lets see them go that route in the even of Avengers Infinity War, and the Justice League movie,

[@donaldxavier2056]

I think these production companies tend to think that more special effects = more box office success. They are wrong.

[@ramiel555]

I'll be honest, I didn't even know this was out, that's (apparently) how much they've pulled all of its promo materials from....well, everywhere >.

[@Cacti88]

Good stuff guys

[@DumbGuysTalkAboutSmartStuff]

I want to thank Rotten Tomatoes for letting me know I should save my time and money on this one

[@MaverickhunterXZero]

The trailer I saw during Ant-man looked stupid, and from what my friend said it was unnecessarily dark and gritty so I'm not surprised this movie was terrible. This movie was made just for the studio to keep the franchise. And why is the Thing freaking naked!?

[@MaverickhunterXZero]

KainScion There was nothing good about this movie. Fox should have just gave the rights back in stead of this disaster.

[@AFCoulthard]

The unreleased 90s version is still the best *sigh*

[@moriellymoproblems7842]

The Wolverine and X-Men: First Class = 2 good X-Men films in the last decade before DOFP. I know The Wolverine is a standalone film, but it still counts as part of that universe.

[@southparkenterprise]

What happened is someone took a pay off form Disney to make the film tank so they can get the rights back, just like they did Amazing Spider Man 2

[@kentcurlew1366]

Ian should be sponsored by that beer company

[@andresilvagaspar]

Having Doom, Galactus and Silver Surfer in the MCU would be pretty cool. I think Trank outrage during the shooting was because he wanted to do 3 more scenes that involved a lot of cgi and special effects that Fox simply refused because they didn't want to put more money into the movie

[@mitchawesomefoot6139]

André Gaspar Yeah, them involved would be nice. Although having the Skrulls and the Badoon would be really nice for Marvel to have especially for the short term. They had to scrap the Badoon from Guardians of the Galaxy and with Inhumans in the pipeline as well, having the rights to the alien races would be excellent. Plus, they could be adapted earlier than FF and maybe Doom as they haven't been tarnished by bad movies.

[@andresilvagaspar]

Mitch Awesomefoot I agree. Even if Marvel gets the FF and all that comes with it, we're most likely to see other characters from the Fox's FF "universe" than the actual FF in a movie. Unless they decide to stop making a origin movie and go straight to the action.

[@gerarddicairano4974]

Deadpool aside, Wolverine Origins was a cool movie.

[@BlueXalazi]

Apparently, Fox is going ahead with the 2017 Fantastic Four sequel. I have no idea how they plan to make money with it.

[@azuresaiyan9005]

Juan Nunez They aren't. Its all PR talk, while the film is still in theaters.

[@1216Rockman]

+Azure Saiyan Can't wait for Marvel Studio's Fantastic Four

[@megagrey]

I actually thought there were good parts in the 2005 movie and the overall movie was good-ish, and RotSS was great even though they skimped on Galactus. But oh, the latter didn't make enough, so here's a great idea: let it stay dormant and then reboot with this turdbomb!

[@danxepha4535]

Pat the NES Punk What is the name of the documentary about the first Fantastic 4 movie?

[@jimmybiggs9230]

I am not surprised! They should have done a sequel with the original actors!!!!!

[@BrendanSlob]

Poor Denny's is still running their Fantastic Four menu Ad's but that's about the only ruminants left on TV.

[@CarozQH]

This is not as "bad" as Catwoman or Ghostrider-Spirit of vengeance, it's just incredibly boring...

[@devilmikey00]

CarozQH Ya that's all I've heard is just that it's a whole bunch of set up and a rushed out of no where action scene at the end. Honestly at least Catwomen and Spirit of Vengeance are funny bad.

[@tightlypackedcoil]

If you can't even respect the source material enough to not change the race of one of the major characters, you shouldn't make a movie out of it.

[@diseasicon]

I agree with Pat that Marvel needs to play the villain to Fox do whatever necessary to make it practically impossible to continue on with their remaining franchises, and force them to give them back. X-Men would have been great to include in Civil War, and would have been a good addition to Infinity War, seeing as some of them did participate in the Infinity Gauntlet. Marvel clearly has a connection to their fans, getting actors that want and connect with the roles, and directors who respect the source material, while Fox has little to none of that going on.

[@SquadPoop]

you know what i think would be cool? If marvel DID acquire xmen and maybe set them in another earth, cause the MCU hasn't done the multiverse thing yet

[@Scottk2022]

I listened to angry joe's review and he said a kid and his parents behind joe said "how will this factor in to the infinity gems?" HOW DO PEOPLE NOT KNOW THIS IS NOT MARVEL STUDIOS STILL

[@guybricknellii9676]

That's not the point. The point is the the FF are a big part of the Infinity series just like the X-Men, Adam Warlock and Silver Surfer are....

[@guybricknellii9676]

that the*

[@Mariojinn2]

You lost me at the catetaker part. A character/licence can be changed immeasurably, but it has to be really good or great.

[@EricFolmz]

do you guys do a live show ?

[@sdzero]

X-Men First Class saved the X-Men movie franchise. There couldn't have been another X-Men movie without it that wasn't a total reboot if First Class wasn't made. It established a fresh new set of actors to take the helm, while salvaging what it could from the previous movies. First Class is everything the X-Men always was and needed to be...a team. Not X-Men: Wolverinefest 2000 - 2009, like it's predecessors before it. We had just enough time to get to know each member of the team and not only see their personalities, but their abilities develop as well. That's what I want to see. Not just see characters like Colossus appear only to have him say a total of 3 lines in all 3 X-Men movies. (Which is no wonder the actor didn't return for Deadpool) I'm going be the jerk now and say Days of Future Past was a step backwards. It fell into the Wolverine lovefest again, having him front and center. Yes, I know Wolverine is awesome. I know Wolverine is popular. Wolverine sells. I get that. But why not have someone new like Cable for this set piece. I mean it's perfectly setup for this character. No need for random powers sprouting up from Kitty Pryde for no damn reason whatsoever. It was the perfect time to introduce Cable due to it being set in the future and probably the only opportunity to establish him. If not Cable, then why not Bishop? He's just another character that was highjacked by Jackman for screen time. Even though Bishop IS THE TIME TRAVELER! THAT'S WHAT HE DOES AND HE CAN'T EVEN DO THAT BECAUSE OF...WOLVERINE! This movie also killed off a large number of key characters from First Class OFFSCREEN and did anyone bat an eyelash? Nope. How the did they manage to kill Azazel? They couldn't even capture Nightcrawler in the White House and he was less masterful at teleporting. How? I WANT TO SEE HOW! But NOPE! People are just saying "Whoa! Look how ripped Wolverine is! I wonder how much protein he intakes?" all over again like they've been doing since X-Men 2. Not only that, but when they introduced Quicksilver why wouldn't they want to keep a mutant around that has the most OVER POWERED abilities I have ever witnessed in X-Men? (Yes. Even more so powerful than Starefest Phoenix) We finally get to have sentinels in this movie! That's awesome, right? Who's fighting the sentinels? None of the X-Men who's capable of fighting them............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................. What do people see in Days of Future Past that elevates it pass First Class? Maybe Days of Future Past is going to be the type of movie that everyone loves at first but crumbles over time. I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong. Time will tell. This is just my opinion. If you enjoy the movie, great! I'm glad you liked it! (Apologies to Hugh Jackman. It's difficult not to like the Jackman.)

[@NintendOttawa]

Pat the NES Punk Can you guys do a video about your opinion on new games that were "opened to verify contents" by sellers?

[@TheGameBench]

They should have learned from what happened with the previous movies and not bothered at all.

[@andrewpurvis1754]

a review embargo? how does that work? how do they prevent people from reviewing a game or movie for "x" amount of time?

[@cosmicsoybean6419]

+Andrew Purvis Blacklist the group if they break the embargo, essentially ruining any major channel/groups

[@ISUkid2011]

Marvel getting the rights back wouldn't exactly sway me to go see it because Marvel to me has recycled the same tiring formula.

[@GreenThumbSyndrome]

Ian is blazed as fk in this lol

[@edgarherrera5639]

Pat you don't do your research there was 3 action sequences that was gonna happen but fix lowered budget cost so that's why there is only 1

[@Kyleschannelz]

A lot of movies are profitable before they even hit theaters, between product placement, securing streaming rights, other licensing, many times a studio doesn't care if the movie is good. If a movie bombs, but is still profitable for other reasons, that's actually (sometimes) better for the studio. I know some product placement was removed, but with streaming rights and such, they are probably still going to do ok with this film to be honest.

[@skoomajoe6205]

Hahaha, why isn't the Thing wearing pants in the thumbnail?!? That looks so funny.

[@timmer919hep]

Skooma Joe He doesn't wear pants in the movie at all I believe

[@Sammo212]

Marvel doesn't need the mutants for Civil War...I personally don't think Marvel needs the mutants at all at this point, though I would love to some characters show up. The best thing about them not having Fantastic Four and X-Men is we are getting focus on characters we may not have gotten before. I think it came out that Fox actually gets money on even some of the comics and merchandise sales for FF and X-Men stuff, so its no wonder they are pulling more and more FF and X-Men out of merch.

[@moriellymoproblems7842]

+Steven Simmons Please don't lump Fantastic Fuckery with the X-Men. The latter's movies have always been welcome by the majority, and people will always look forward to them.

[@Sammo212]

+MoRiellyMoProblems X-Men 1 sucked, X-Men 3 sucked, Wolverine: Origins sucked...at most they 2 OK films. If the majority of people love shit that's not my problem.

[@dennis07reyes]

In fact, the original vision had three major action pieces, but then Fox decided to cut them and then some. Ultimately was Fox's fault that this movie sucked.

[@dereksteckline8060]

Rotten Tomatoes has it at 8% now. Catwoman has a 9%.

[@TheRealAkaRai]

I'm excited about the prospect of Marvel getting the rights back. In the right hands it's not that hard to make a good FF movie, see The Incredibles for an example. More importantly though, getting those rights back fills in a lot of gaps in their cosmic stuff. Skrulls, Galactus, Silver Surfer, The Watcher, Ego the Living Planet. To me the most important thing they'd get back is Doctor Doom. He's probably Marvel's best villain ever -when he's done right- and works well opposite anyone. He's arched Spider-Man, he's arched Black Panther, he's arched Doctor Strange, he's fought the Avengers. Doom is just plain great. Marvel's already worked out a deal with Universal to be able to use Namor again as well, and an Inhumans project is already in the works (although they're kind of trying to make the Inhumans a replacement for the X-Men, and as much as I like the Inhumans I don't think anyone will accept that.) The only gaps that would remain in their Cosmic setting would be the Shi'ar, Imperial Guard, the Technarchy and the Brood as those are all still wrapped up with X-Men. I personally have hated all of the X-Men films, but I think with the success of Marvel Studios Fox has started to realize their blunder in making the characters look however they want instead of how they look in the comics. With Deadpool and X-Men: Apocalypse they're finally starting to remotely resemble the way they're supposed to look.

[@jamends1220]

Fantastic Four has a lower score than Birdemic: Shock and Terror.

[@pfitz9346]

Now days Rotten Tomatoes is crooked as hell. every single Viacom movie we've gotten in in the last year at my store has come in with a "rotten tomatoes certified fresh" sticker on the package. Unsurprisingly Viacom owns Rotten Tomatoes... Additionally movies like Sausage Party were sitting at 99% on the site. In other words a Seth Rogan movie about a shitty sex pun stretched for an hour is on the same "level of quality" as Citizen Kane. In the last year there have been more 99s and 100s than a majority of the history of the site combined. Another great example is the new movie "Get Out" 88 percent of the users who scored the movie rated it positive... its got a 99 on the site and is listed as the #4 greatest movie of all time well above landmarks like Singing in the Rain. Apparently the critics are less critical than the average person. The movie was produced by universal studios... which is not directly owned by Viacom but is in a joint effort with them through their 50/50 ownership in UIP (United International Pictures).

[@ministryofreason6976]

The Nolan Brothers envisioned the Batman origin movies. They both wrote the script and Christopher directed it. They were given the source material and they gave their own take on it. The results were awesome. That's the reason why these origin/reboot thing on Mavel/DC took off. I love Marvel and they should take back Spider-Man and F4 'cause both Sony Pictures and Fox will just keep murdering these franchise.

[@petewadesays12]

You briefly mentioned the Fox stranglehold on Marvel properties, I may have missed a podcast but, have you ever discussed Sony? Those manipulative hack frauds (Red Letter Media does a fantastic (pun intended) set of videos discussing in depth how Sony is probably the most disgusting company since Viacom. It'd be interesting to hear your thoughts. Love your podcast, keep it up Ian and Pat. Fan forever

[@Craftswithgwen]

Love that Indy Heat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@jackbrokeheart]

Rule of thumb: only Bryan Singer can make a good superhero movie for FOX.

[@Codemarla]

This film now intrigues me. I hate modern action films, so a comic story thats based more on characters and dialogue is more up my street.

[@canibaloxide]

From what I understand the action set pieces were cut out due to budget reasons hence why we see things in the trailer weren't in the movie. Although I wouldn't be interested in a fantastic four movie as it is I'm gonna guess the director's version would have been better.

[@generalcoon47]

In my opinion, there's only five good superhero movies: Batman 1989, Spiderman 2 (the original), and The Dark Knight trilogy.

[@LostGeburah]

i actually like this version more than the previous one.

[@BloodlessWolf]

Marvel should have made them remove their logo from any advertisements for the movie. I guarantee you it at least did some level of damage to Marvel's box office draw for their future films.

[@X4713R1]

Best live-action Doctor Doom is Frank Langella's Skeletor. Not even kidding. MotU's director wanted to make a FF movie.

[@gordonramsayfanatic]

i heard the original cut was like a cronenberg body horror movie, which could be neat

[@ByronLee403]

FF is now at 8% on rottentomatoes. Catwoman at 9% is no longer the worse superhero movie.

[@timmer919hep]

I don't see FOX giving back the rights after this movie. Instead, I see Marvel actively going after FOX for fucking with their franchise. This F4 movie is a huge spit in their face and I don't think Marvel is going to turn the other cheek this time.

[@cudef9642]

Am I the only one who didn't find this movie to be horrible? I wasn't expecting an upbeat superhero movie, and I wasn't disappointed.

[@luiss4942]

Ill probably rent this when it comes out on video. Just to see how bad it was. lol.

[@GeorgeLuisGoN]

Fant4stic is the best thing to happen to the Star Wars movie universe.

[@D3STRUKT0R99]

danny sullivan's indy heat

[@vicariousfan]

its even worse then that, at the box office it did half as much as either of the two other Fantastic Fours at the box office. This is the end of Josh Tranks film career. His last movie is going to be the worse reviewed super hero movie and a huge box office bomb. He got dropped from the Star Wars spin off, yeah he is done.

[@SuperHDJ_]

They need to make a Harbinger Movie , doubt Planetary would be as Epic as comic

[@gaoutlaw]

What went wrong? Too much to name.

[@TooDuelForSchool]

josh trank's Chronicle was a brilliant film with very little action. but it had great scenes.

[@jamessergon]

They had to bring up Zack Snyder again. Gosh. That's an obsession.

[@ethanhunt750]

Take my strong hand!

[@TitanSix]

What can Fox do now? They can't make a sequel to this film because no executive would approve it after this huge loss, and they certainly cannot do another reboot in a short time frame. Their only real option is to let Marvel have the rights or to negotiate a deal.

[@Altorin]

theyll hold onto the rights out of spite

[@1216Rockman]

+Altorin They can't just hold on to the rights they have to make the movies or else the rights will automatically revert back to Marvel.

[@1216Rockman]

+joshua powell They can't make a crossover simply because the X-Men contracts and Fantastic Four contracts don't allow it.

[@Altorin]

1216Rockman They held onto the rights 3 times now by making bad movies. they'll do a 4th. They'll do it cheaply.

[@1216Rockman]

Altorin those two times Fox had the rights they made money that is the thing, I doubt they will do it a fourth, and cheaply won't help

[@mcnultyssobercompanion6372]

I really like these podcasts, and I think Pat and Ian (particularly Ian, who I find to be an incredibly decent, intelligent guy) are well worth listening to, but hearing Pat say that film directors do not have the right to stay true to their vision just made my head spin. I'm not defending Trank's work on this film. That's beside the point. The point is whether the vision of a film director matters. It's the only thing that matters. And whether making a film from their own script, or a film based on a comic book, filmmakers are far more than "caretakers". That's insulting. And condescending. Why commission quality filmmakers to make superhero films at all? If vision doesn't matter, why not just keep paying hacks like Brett Ratner? Or whoever directed Affleck's "Daredevil"? We're currently, thankfully, in the midst of a Golden Age of superhero-films. For the first time ever superhero movies are consistently "good". Mostly. The best of them are amazing. I've heard multiple calls this year for "Logan" to receive multiple serious Oscar-nominations, and it might. Who directed that? A hack lacking vision? It was James Mangold. A director with a filmography stacked with great films...BECAUSE he's a director with vision. As is Bryan Singer. As is Joss Whedon. Even Kenneth Branagh. The reason good superhero films are being made these days has nothing to do with the genre. Pre-"X-Men" (2000) cinema is an endless graveyard of bad superhero films. And even after that the the high quality doesn't become consistent until "Iron Man" in 2008. Those 2 films, and best of the ones made subsequently, are good because of the DIRECTORS. When directors started giving a shit about the work, superhero films got good. There have been speedbumbs, like Trank. But regardless. A director's vision is sacrosanct. It is the only thing on a film set to never fuck with. All due respect (sincerely). When it comes to video games, Pat runs circles around me and most other people. When it comes to cinema my advice is to not speak with such authority in the future.

[@ThatFantasyPenguin]

you go see the movie and see the FOX logo "oh ffffffffffuck!"

[@doriphor]

Here's how to make a good Fantastic 4 movie : Let Marvel do it.