Farage and Galloway links

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[@grahambuckerfield4640]

Two cheeks of the same arse and a perfect demonstration of the horseshoe theory, where the extremes of the far left and right meet.

[@Oldgit60]

I posted the same thing before going through the comments. Deleted mine and gave yours a 👍

[@CuriousCrow-mp4cx]

That only happens when you have what has been politely labelled as Entrepreneurial Politicians, I.e. Opportunists. They're not conviction politicians, with clear ideological and political motivations. Power, money, and narcissism are their main motivations. And they lie down with too many dogs.

[@queeniegreengrass3513]

Horseshoe theory is a load of shite. Have you heard of macron, an authoritarian styled as a nice centrist.

[@Smoothjock]

@@CuriousCrow-mp4cxif only they were convicted politicians!! And it was the dogs that woke up with fleas!!

[@benedictcowell6547]

You would know being a Turd. Most of us have a life outside our underpants.

[@thomasmoore1499]

They see in each other a kindred spirit and so vie for who pulled the dirtier trick.

[@gerardskippon3099]

All that I can now hear is " Oh what a tangeled web we weave..." I also had failed to remember that Brexit tid-bit.

[@alanhowe7659]

Left and right meet behind the political bikesheds...

[@davidpinfold852]

As the late Tony Benn used to say "Communism and Fascism meet round the back".

[@oneoflokis]

Did he now..

[@dilonkumar4960]

Accept britian financed the nazi party of germany

[@david-pb4bi]

@@oneoflokisObviously he didn’t say that, but I am relieved we have an Intellectual running the country rather than that self serving mob who inevitably people voted in power against their own interests,

[@paulgibbons2320]

Neither are represented here. Just the King's pawns.

[@queeniegreengrass3513]

Wasn't he basically a commie?

[@julianshepherd2038]

Im not a Marxist Leninist but the Morning Star isnt a bad newspaper. Not saying much given the competition.

[@oneoflokis]

That is true! I'd say ita worth a sub, if you can afford it.. I very much doubt it can still be called a Communist newspaper though..

[@jponeill2151]

Maybe on the train home, you can reflect on the damage Thatcher did to the workers in the north and British society across the board. Perhaps you will have an epiphany!

[@pittarak1]

Keep up the great work Prof. Greetings from 'Straya' 🦘

[@Jimbo878]

Gurray!

[@lolwalters2936]

Not much else in common in terms of political thinking... but a good example of politicians short term thinking and co-opting those who support aims on a limited basis

[@genghisthegreat2034]

An exotic combination of colours there this morning, Professor, you may soon be mistaken for Portillo on one of his great train journeys.

[@CuriousCrow-mp4cx]

Your knowledge of colour theory and historical attributions is pretty limited. Grey is a neutral colour that goes with anything. The Fuchia-like pink tones in his waistcoat are referring to pre-industrial dye shades of red. That's why the red jackets British showjumpers and mounted huntsmen wear are called Pinks. So, he's not exotic, he's rather skilled in his use of colour, as befits a professional artist and an animator. And he's Insuring that you are focused on him, and everything else recedes into the background. What you call exotic, is just less conventional, but skilled in its use nonetheless.

[@MandyAustin-nl4cn]

​@CuriousCrow-mp4cx there's no accounting for taste

[@genghisthegreat2034]

@@CuriousCrow-mp4cx I'm suitably admonished, and I have to accept such a patient and eloquent rebuttal. I suspect you write for real estate clients, there's a je ne sais quoi to your homage á rose.

[@SW-qr8qe]

Both feature strongly on RT Putin’s Favourite Stooges

[@philbeattie3978]

Be careful with facts Prof you'll give the Hoi Polloi a head ache.

[@raymondbullock4557]

David Cameron made the same comment in 2010.

[@david-pb4bi]

Forget George Galloway and Nigel Farage now eventually we have a genuine intellectual running the country, it’s about time.

[@timmelia7551]

What kind of an intellectual doesn't know what a woman is.

[@david-pb4bi]

@@timmelia7551 Bitter lame Tory loser. Get over it you have at least fifteen years of a Labour government. You will probably still be blaming Corbyn then.

[@peteratkin3788]

@@timmelia7551 reform UK or Tory supporter I'm guessing, enjoy your hate we 're over it.

[@jeffsimon9594]

@@peteratkin3788 No but seriously, Keir Stalin doesn't seem to know what a woman is.

[@ladyfitness67]

Oxford, my favourite city

[@benedictcowell6547]

Mine is the one I live in Paris, Berlin, Leningrad, Turin, Upsala, even Irkutsk,

[@benedictcowell6547]

The English Membrane Being English in Britain is not easy; one is not born to it, it seeps across a cultural membrane. You go to sleep, and the next morning you hear the news and one is appalled to discover how much English has infiltrated across that membrane. I was in Sweden when I heard of the death of Princess Diana. I returned to an England that was quite strange, and un-English. The hysteria, the totally un-English lack of gravitas and perspective that choked the air waves, the conspiracy theories; ' It was the Duke of Edinburgh's fault', It was because of Dodi' 'It was an Iranian Plot,'' an American Plot, 'The IRA' , it was a conspiracy. Everyone had a pet theory. No one suggested it was the florists, or the makers of greeting cards, and in truth they were the only ones that benefited obviously. No one suggested that it was an agent of Interflora, or a dark conspiracy by Harrods to drum up business. They blamed every one who was innocent. I should have recognised that this cause celeb re was an anticipation of Brexit, or Reform, the dereliction of being English in the new national temper of hysteria and paranoia. Ignorance played it part, that, and stupidity, and that it was a symptom of a society disintegrating before the media. The history books, the more sagacious at least, those not written by Andrew Neil or David Starkey, but serious historians, would recognise that this was one of a sequence of episodes in the transformation of the English Public from high seriousness and sobriety into a rabble created by the media, this amorphous aggregate of attitude and drivel which subverts democracy. As an acquired Englishman I was shocked! Astonished at the entire affair, the accumulation of utter sentimentality that gathered round this young woman; oddly enough I was shocked at the fact that in the hysteria no one stopped to ask whether the principal culprit was the media itself. What came into my mind were two quite different episodes, one a film, the other a campaign as a Liberal Democrat for a place as a councillor, years before, in my area. And this in turn summoned up yet another bizarre connection; Adrian Mole. I recalled that his father had confused the Falklands, way down in the South Atlantic with the Shetlands, the northern most point of the North Sea where it meets the North Atlantic . Looking back I do not think that many English People made that mistake, but there are ironic associations; the Falklands did not appear on the blue globe that was the frontis piece of the BBC current affairs program; it had to be inserted, because no one expected this could be the last gasp of Empire; ironic too that just before this episode of Imperial Hubris, the government that gathered warships to save it from Galtieri, the same Government had been trying to rid themselves of the very same islands. Had it not been for the media, I expect that we could have solved the problem quite intelligently, quite rationally but although the Empire had gone, the sentiments of hubris, and superiority lingered sufficiently to be artificially resuscitated, not because we cared about the Falklands, but because the Tories were doing badly in the 'opinion polls' Margaret Thatcher dusted off her secondary school history book, found Boudica and decided to play the role, to rally the forces of Empire to rescue the Penguins of South George for a fate worse than life under dagoes. These people did not understand the feelings of Penguins languishing under a foreign yoke. The English were incensed by the idea of Spanish Penguins, but the same people forty years later have not managed to acquire the same principles in respect to the melting ice cap. What, apart from Boudica Roberts and Adrian Mole, was the other more seminal connection? 'La Vie Privet' a film with Marcel Maastrichtian and Brigitte Bardot, in which Brigitte Bardot played Jill, a soubrette, an ingenue, whose life was made a misery by a lubricious, vacant media that hounded her to her attempted suicide and later culmiinated in her death. The media. This lubricious, vicarious, appetite the rabble have for gossip and scandal and trivial details of the lives of celebrities. I remember the interview that years later Bardot gave, I think at the Berlin Film Festival, in which she explained part of her reason for retiring from Film at 39 after just 21 years as the prey for every idle photographer in Europe. 'Her life was impossible', 'she could not go to a book shop', ''she could not go to a bistro, 'she could not go to the theatre, or the cinema because she was hounded by this lascivious press' that wanted pictures of her tits and her bum. Well I met this woman, Brigitte for twenty minutes, dressed in an elegant black dress, before she had been deluged by other people's lubricity and this appetite for her tits, and the woman I met discussed Racine, Faure and Stendhal in twenty minutes. Some of the best pictures of Bardot show nothing of her tits, or her bum, she is fully dressed, her lovely form covered but apparent, none the less, her stream of now blonde hair, her splendid face, and those lovely eyes, and I was glad for her sake that eventually the meretricious media had been cheated of their prey. But that impression, that connection lingered, of this avid inanity of the media for sensations, scandal, and lubricity and I wondered what it had done to Diana, at eighteen years of age, when her opinions were hardly formed, to marry into celebrity? It had trivialised her, it had contributed to the ruination of their marriage, because a marriage cannot flourish when the press were peeping through the bedroom key hole for a sensation, a coup, a scoop. Return to the issue of Englishness, this cultural osmosis that occurs to any one irrespective of their origins, except if the origins are 'English' One leans to value everything that they, the rabble do not value, one learns to cherish everything that a badly led population allow to fall into default. Gravitas, sobriety. In the days of steam radio, when I was six I heard for the first time John Arlott commentating on the first post war tour of Australia. I remember him describing Eric Hollies bowling to the maestro Bradman, who only need four runs to have a test average of exactly one hundred. The laconic Arlott, 'Bradman takes Guard, Hollies tosses the ball from left to right hand, and begins his over. A stocky, ample figure, Hollies, one would hardly imagine him as a cricketer' Two balls later; 'comes in, four or five strides, over the wicket, twirls his arm, the ball beats Bradman, a leg spinner I suspect, and Bradman is out.' This was hardly momentous it might have been the tail ender, not 'The Bradman' 'And Bradman is out; bowled.' Now that is Englishness, any sensation there should have been doused at source, like a flickering candle. It was that species of Englishness that had seeped into me, this de sensational, laconic attitude even to earth quakes. Years later I read Peter Hennessey's introduction to an anthology of Attlee Prose, essays and memoirs, criticism. Hennessey writes of an interview with Attlee encountering a reporter on his return from America, just before the 1950 election. Attlee. ' Nothing to say really, met the President, we had a chat about various matters of common concern. Now if you will excuse me, I am very busy.' End of interview, Reported flummoxed, and denied a head line.. That is Englishness, nothing florid, no portentous prose, no head lines, no suspicion of rifts, of the collapse of NATO, or anything of the sort. Attlee in 'As it happened' talking of Stalin at Potsdam. ' He was a bit surprised to see me. I think he rather expected Winston. Stalin was not used to Democracy, couldn't fathom it.' That economy of style is wholly alien to the media . A political debacle had swept the victor Churchill out of power, and all Attlee said ' Stalin was a bit surprised to see me.' That is Englishness, that is the Englishness of an England embedded in the UK, an Englishness which one could recognise even in such un-English figures as Hector MacNeil, Aneurin Bevan. This down playing of sensation, this sober detachment, and this lack of portentousness at even great events. The media, created by the like of Murdoch, has demolished the English spirit, it has demolished the English language, he and the Supreme Court of the USA, as a serious medium of thought, it has subverted reason, it has demolished principle, and the result is the ingress into politics of a party of ignorant, rabble rousing scheisters called Reform. It is not only that they have desolated the language they have destroyed irony, they have rendered humour incendiary. We had a joker of a tutor at my University who posed us a question,. Suggest a headline for the following scenario, Two man escaped from a mental hospital, rape a girl who works in a laundry, and then they escape Headline Nut screws, washers and bolts The headline of the media, today would be Farage proposes tax on chandlers and what it indicates is a total lack of proportion, a total lack of humour and the dereliction, in perspective and reason.

[@oneoflokis]

@@benedictcowell6547 That is a great analysis of the media! 🙂👍 (And you obviously had some great experiences!)

[@oneoflokis]

Mind you. My one caveat is that I *don't* think the English are nearly as "stoic" or "stiff-upper-lipped" as you claim. Isn't that 1) a pretty outdated view of the Engiish and 2) a very upper-class one? Which Diana, as the "people's princess" set out to smash, anyway. So..

[@benedictcowell6547]

As it happened it was not the only remarkable dismissal of Bradman that Summer. Bradman came to Liverpool Aigburth for the Lancashire fixture and was bowled by Malcolm Hilton for duck. Hilton had just left school, I think Bradman was his first victim,. He had been drafted in after the regular bowler, Tattersall was unfit. Bradman left the field to a standing ovation, of course .As he passed through the gate, the applause ceased as the next batsmen came in Harvey, But in the silence a voice was heard that was typical of Northern phlegm.' And to think ,I came all the way from Heckmondwike for that three minutes. The English are a rabble now. That humour would be unlikely.

[@benedictcowell6547]

If you had read another of my pieces you would know that I believe class ceases to be of importance between people who are educated, of any origin. And I do not not think it is upper-class,it is a common perspective ofYorshire people and northerners as a whole. As to the remark about English Stiff upper lips, I can only say that the English at their best have a tacit stoic romanticism, and it come across in their literature if you read enough ,In Jane Austen,,in Mrs Gaskell, in Anne Bronte, it was there on the ships, it is there in such films as The Cruel Sea, .It is not only the English. I think it is a function of education, but what can you expect with an educational curriculum such as we have ,that teaches no languages after1 4,that asks you to choose between History and Geography, in other words to choose between space and Time for a life times perspective. The People's Princess was the creation of the Media , It was partly the creation of Blair. But the Princess who is and was the People's is Princess was Anne. She tried and tries to live honestly within the fate to which she was born into the Royal family and imbibed a sense of realism as far as that is possible when Royalism is confused with Monarchist. The difference? One has an illegitimate interest in the private lives of the Monarch and his family and the other, my stance, is that Monarchy with a State Church has managed to procure great true liberty than any other system I know. As a Communist and an Agnostic I am obliged to recognise a reality that many of my humanist and communist friends fail to admit and the failure to admit it, the rejection of a patent reality is what changes principles into ideology .As a scientist I hate ideologies. But thanks for the comment it provided me with a chance to develop my argument. Thanks too for the civility of your reply. Best wishes@@oneoflokis

[@oneoflokis]

@benedictcowell6547 OK! Fine! 🙂👍 (But all the famous authors you have cited were definitely upper-middle-class. A well-known author from a more humble background, Charles Dickens (father s bankrupt, himself forced to be a child worker) tends to be a lot more emotional, some have even called him sentimental.)

[@claireSE16]

Yes they are very similar

[@charliewray6834]

The newspaper you called a rag The gutter rag is the Scum the sun The Daily Worker /Morning Star is not a comic It might offend some toffs But it is not a rag

[@benedictcowell6547]

As a Communists I should agree, and in some measure I do but a newspaper should separate News from opinion and I am against newspapers that align themselves unequivocally with any party .It gives credence to bad journalism and bad Science, it distorts reality. Having just been accused of being a 'Toff' I can only say that I do not read the English Press, and I am not a toff I am Scientist and they are accused of being elitist, Marxist, Conservatives Socialists Liberals instead of being given credit for trying to be honest. I know however I a not a reactionary . The trouble with modern politics are the categories themselves. Can I settle for being as honest as any one can be in a world in turmoil

[@lessparks8553]

Now the Real cloak n daggers begin i suppose

[@darklingeraeld-ridge7946]

Bravo again: extremes meet & etc

[@mn7024]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂widecombe 🌟

[@jethrotull2142]

Politics is mired in so much especially here where both are of almost extreme but opposite views though both are bound by Brexit

[@andrewfrancis3591]

As I've said before, in their words. Two cheeks of the same arse.

[@oneoflokis]

Don't really see how they can be "linked". They are on the opposite side of politics. The only thing they agree on is Brexit.

[@JGS123WRPTP]

And their stupid oil funded climate change denial. The far ends of the political spectrum always end up meeting.

[@RobCrawford23]

The only thing either of the two of them offer is opportunism, whatever band wagon available they will both take it

[@oneoflokis]

@RobCrawford23 Well you gotta seize opportunity when it comes.. 🙂 (So sayeth Loki. 🙂) But I'd say you've got to give both of them consistency, in their relative political spheres.

[@simonevans8979]

Arsoles to the left, Arsoles to the right. And they're both ex-MP's although `Frigger` has to yet to be removed - watch it Nigel, Clacton is watching ..

[@lamestreammedia3154]

No video on one of the Gaza elected MPs? One of his campaigners was arrested for terr orism. As highlighted by the former MP Jon ashworth. Who lost his seat. Why don't you talk about things like that?

[@dilonkumar4960]

Till you wanted to smear galloway

[@RobCrawford23]

Galloway manages to spear himself well enough

[@dilonkumar4960]

@@RobCrawford23 why because he doesn’t support white supremacy which so many do here

[@randomfarmer]

Couldn't have put it better myself. The amount of radicals on the left coming out and saying that we (the west) provoked Putin into the Ukraine war is disgraceful. One of their major outlets now seems to be the (equally prosaic) KZbin channel of Russell Brand; in some of his videos, he's come pretty close to praising Reform/Farage. Perhaps you could do a video about him? Then again, I'm sure you have better things to do with your time.

[@richardbennett8522]

Jonathan Pearce of ATP Geopolitics did a good video on debunking Russell Brand

[@richardbennett8522]

Both accepted RT money so both are dodgy geezers

[@oneoflokis]

RT English was a pretty good broadcaster..

[@MandyAustin-nl4cn]

Tim and Galloway, separated at birth. One impersonates cats, the other is catty.

[@boota1979]

@MandyAustin-nl4cn GG has flip flopped so many times, his party is as close as damn it to true socialist Labour that I have seen in a long time, yet by GG's own admission he voted Conservative in 2019....

[@MandyAustin-nl4cn]

​@boota1979 galloway has zero morals.

[@CuriousCrow-mp4cx]

Meow, dear. You need a groom.

[@paulwalker797]

Two drainpipes down which global right populism and global right wing talking points spew. The idea that Galloway is left wing is very silly. Dare I paraphrase George "These two are cheeks of the same...."

[@Parawingdelta2]

So, Brexit is to blame for the war in Ukraine? Now I've heard it all. I'd say you're far more intelligent, educated and informed than I, and I love listening to what you have to say but I sometimes I wonder.

[@paulgibbons2320]

Sponsered agitants.

[@jeffsimon9594]

Sponsored even.

[@davidhollins870]

It also showed the nonsense of their claims about national decision-making - when they wanted Putin to decide Ukraine's foreign policy.

[@DropdudeJohn]

You think the war in Ukraine isn't a civil war then, good for you.

[@davidhollins870]

@@DropdudeJohn So that is why Russia invaded in a "special operation", is it?

[@ItsANiceDaySometimes]

Galloway the Putin apologist on the far left. Farage the Putin bullhorn on the far right. Good riddance George. Farage now can be held properly accountable by Westminster.

[@clivet3252]

Professor Tim Blairite

[@colinmusgrave9351]

You are definitely in the business of truth denial,similarities with covid,farage and Galloway are discussing ivermectin, HILARIOUS!

[@Smoothjock]

F&G links? They are indeed a right pair of sausages but that sounds toxic in the extreme!