Farewell, "3DDY" - The Future of Tekken?

[@CONEYZZ]

TUN TUN TUN TUN TUN TUN TUN

[@doogies]

Believe in the jaguar mask. Don't ever play scared like last time again... Good luck this time around! Looking forward to the grind!

[@CONEYZZ]

​@@doogies u infected my chat with that BBL CONEY comment dont u ever pull that shit again bro

[@YamashitaTsubasa]

BORN TO 3 / TEKKEN IS A FUCK / 鬼神 Kick Em All 1997 / I am capoeira man / 333,333,333,333 DEAD SCRUBS

[@CountryPup1]

YES YES YES

[@JunKazamaFan]

3ddy is inspirational. Never stops practicing. Never backs down from a fight. Always rematches, win or lose, regardless of connection quality. Never sends hate mail. Doesn't rely on Heat or Rage Arts to score wins. Godspeed, 3ddy. Thank you.

[@krodmandoon3479]

The last *real* Tekken player

[@Bounty2223]

We finally know what Harada meant whenever he said "Rollback is 3"

[@YourXellency]

Panda player here LOVING the nerfs! :D

[@xRhychux]

Lily players getting lost on their way to newgrounds is fucking hilarious and so true

[@AuntBibby]

im not like other girls... i dress up jack-8 in girly clothes instead of lily 🎀✨

[@garryhlambert]

Based. ​@@AuntBibby

[@lololololol3121]

His threes where the most honest threes in tekken history

[@TheJackOfFools]

Truly the most honest player in modern Tekken.

[@321Tdog]

​@@TheJackOfFoolsyep, never one and done's like everyone else, only 3 and done

[@KarlKognitiv]

were*, not where.

[@NrettG]

3ddy is somehow the greatest data we have gotten for fighting games in the hottest minute. It's insane how much we kinda learned about players, the game, how people play the game, etc through a bot just spamming one button forever. I can't wait to see other bots get made with this idea concept in mind. There's a lot of potential in the presenting the idea of "This move is super broken and hard to counter" to then go and break it down where it may ONLY do that move. The data, the potential solving, does this move carry the character, etc.

[@jimdino77]

It’s not that uncommon….. there are endless bots in Granblu rising due to rewards being locked until reaching an experience level

[@NrettG]

@@jimdino77 Not the kind of bots I'm referring to. Those are just grind bots for the sole purpose of just gaining new items. I'm talking more bots that may only do one move only and see how far you can go with it.

[@AuntBibby]

i think the reason 3ddy used 3 and only 3 is that 3 is X on a playstation controller so when 3ddy gets to the "do u want to rematch?" screen, he clicks X, which makes the rematch happen.

[@fgagaerhjhjyfyjfyyjkf]

An obnoxious string/char is hard for bad players to deal with who would’ve guessed next you’ll tell me 2+2=4

[@NrettG]

@@AuntBibby That's one of the reasons. Plus the creator revealed it only took like 27 lines of python code to run the bot. I imagine that he could create something simple that stops spamming the input around the rematch area if it matches the image provided or something. (Like if he does a Hworang Bot that spams 4 but stops when it see the rematch box to start spamming 3 instead. Simple If statement).

[@TechnoTurtle9974]

3ddy ending with a 33% win rate is pure poetry

[@bigeoof1804]

I wish I could remember where I got it from, but some time ago I heard a quote that went something like "The best KZbin videos will seem like they’re about X, and while they are, they’ll use X to trick you into watching a video about Y." Several of these vids make me think of that quote. The novelty of a script that just uses one button to do the same sequence of attacks as explained by Majin was already enough to get me to click, but hearing the dissection of the further details is what got me to stay and watch the whole thing. What this experiment implies, what can be learned from it, what characters does it work the best or worst on, how it shows that literally mashing can take you further than the "you must be this tall to ride the FG ride" social barrier would indicate. Man these vids are simultaneously so charming and made with character, but also concise and insightful. Such a larger-than-little joy whenever they pop up in my subscription feed. As for what character would I want to see a similar exercise be done with, I don’t have a race in the Tekken horse. So I’ll just say I’d like to see it done with charas on both ends of the social spectrum from "this character eats glue and doesn’t require any skill you just mash and you win" to "you can only play this character if you watch Rick and Morty."

[@doogies]

thanks for watching man

[@Jr-Reed]

I only saw the thumbnail and thought this was a F.D. Signifier video

[@BLACKDISC]

same!

[@doogies]

lmao

[@Rebazar]

3d, 3dd, and 3ddy 3d, 3dd, and 3ddy

[@jrakewithaj]

The real 3ddy was the Lilys we bodied along the way

[@a_shrxydud]

the "3ddy" getting a winrate of 33% and reaching the 3rd orange rank is incredibly hilarious and poetic

[@Toutong_]

The 3DDY bot in europe : Stuck in orange ranks forever The same bot in NA : Red ranks in 2 days

[@MSK42069]

NA WORST REGION CONFIRMED

[@OberynTheRedViper]

@@MSK42069or there are just more casual fans in NA.

[@slimjimoil93]

Eu has all the bad players using boosters to hit blue lol

[@Ramsey276one]

O M G XD

[@markshmellomd1370]

One rank differnece on a rank where no one knows what they are doing. Such a high difference in skill guys!

[@kjoestar8923]

"Magnifying glass on character communties..." = god-like analysis

[@doogies]

thanks man we aim to please lmao

[@TheWordPlay]

Popping into the livestream felt like watching a really entertaining lab experiment. With this bot being on ranked, a mode that most ppl would play on, this indirectly acted as a tutorial on how to adapt. In some cases this would be a recording in training mode or a tutorial that a lot of ppl would normally skip.

[@321Tdog]

Tekken 9 tutorial: "beat 3ddy"

[@ZetaFan42069]

Thank you 3ddybot for your hardwork

[@BigDaddyWes]

"Anybody can play Tekken." People forget this. They think it's hard to get any wins. It's not. By design.

[@onlyonehere555]

The interesting thing to me watching this was watching the adaptation process in real-time, seeing how people dealt with an exact scenario was really interesting

[@BigDaddyWes]

This is why watching/playing Tekken is so fun. Two people constantly adapting and responding to the other. There's a sincere beauty to it that I think not enough people appreciate, they just wanna mash out max damage combos.

[@phypesmash6154]

"I'm a lili player" 😀 "I'm a lili player" 💀

[@evilded2]

3:35 I'm going to declare this the official player skill tier list.

[@GuntanksInSpace]

My favorite takeaway from 3ddy besides what you mentioned here, is that it was a great throwback to how we, as young'um Tekken Players did grow up on learning the cheap stuff first and how in a sense, it's still around for the new games. Just think about you and your homies rushing to that PS1, firing up Tekken 3, and bragging how strong your Eddy is (until someone busts out a Law or Paul and does Flips/Deathfist when the Breakdance spam stops working) Kudos to Jim Mashima and his amazing experiment lol. And amazing breakdown and insight as always, Bama!

[@doogies]

thanks for popping in man

[@ShadowedAgony]

I really like how you spun this. You have a great way of looking at these games.

[@doogies]

thanks for watching chief

[@VerGiLL1]

What's funny to me is that is not even really a "bot" is simpler than that, is just a autokey pressing X or 3 repeatedly. Which makes even funnier that it almost managed to hit red ranks. This pretty much goes to show that red ranks is truly the new green/yellow ranks.

[@BigDaddyWes]

It's really not even worth trying to compare ranks. Watch Obama's other recent video about guessing the rank based on replays. Tougher than you'd think.

[@hands-ongaming7180]

It did hit red but was demoted iirc

[@jimdino77]

No…. The 3 spam was actually a pretty strange knowledge check. Can’t really judge ranks dealing with new crap that they had to pay to lab against

[@Straaaayyyy]

New greens ranks = blue ranks actually. Nowadays reds would even get grand master

[@ABirdDad]

one day we will get infinite rematch back in quick play so we can actaully learn matchups

[@cairax23]

Bro, i'm a Lili main. I spent 3 hours customizing and 10 minutes playing ranked today. Good shit, fellow Lili mains.

[@Oomze]

The t3kken 3 sp3cial

[@A-Spoto]

"cool" is definitely a word for it. I don't know if it's the word I would use but it is definitely a word. Edit: OK, so that was my reaction at the start of this video. Having watched the whole video. I kind of see it now. Good stuff.

[@doogies]

See how that works? When you hear me out?

[@Caseyisforeverr]

I actually did a similar experiment at the peak of T7 hype a few years back in a set, and I never played T7 until that moment. Just for reference, this was a friend that beat me in a grand finals local in Rev2. I knew this was his first serious Tekken and he was training a lot and going to tournaments. I always knew how to "scrub" with Eddie since T3 on pad as a kid in casuals, even though I picked up stick during SF4 release and never looked back. The last time I actually played Tekken was TTT2 (The GOAT:) and I didn't main Eddie. Anyway, he lost the set to me and I asked him after were you trying, and he said yeah. I'm happy to see someone took this further to highlight a theory I've also had about Tekken. Great video!

[@doogies]

Thanks for watching and sharing man. Getting a win on someone like that is a good feeling

[@HolySok]

I think visually elaborate stance transition moves really set in the panic - even if they're completely fake. Ive had to sit in Practice for characters like Lars and Zafina because I cant just intuitively pick them up the same way I can a character like Dragunov, Paul, Bryan etc. Even if you dont know what those characters can really do - or ehats punishable - it's easier to get a feel for their offense without hitting the lab at lower levels. At least for me.

[@doogies]

i agree! also naturally harder if without lab or experience, the chars attacks all look the samey. eddy just kickin, they all look the same lol

[@HolySok]

@doogies yeah watching my replays against Eddy I'm just shaking my head and all the things I didn't know I was letting him get away with. -20?? My word...

[@BigDaddyWes]

A testament to how well designed the game is. That's what I see in my crystal ball.

[@thejunkmanlives]

lilly really gotta hold that. wow.

[@steamyrobotlove]

Always love your content, Obama. Teaching the young’uns you need to come to these games with humility and a critical mind. If all you wanna do is win, keep it movin’. This hobby WILL humble you. Love it. ❤

[@doogies]

Thanks for watching man

[@IAmEnormous]

The funniest thing about this was all the scrubs on Twitter going "omg he can farm ranked with just one button?! They ruined Tekken...!" Bro had a 33% winrate, relax.

[@alekslic3385]

But how effectively can you farm ranked by mashing TWO BUTTONS? [Insert Batman: Arkham City Twoface meme]

[@oklimbo]

Nobody talks about how the script doesn't defend at all, and I think that's a potentially interesting perspective to view it with

[@Ramsey276one]

"Welcome to the Library, 3ddy. I am Angela, Head librarian and the director of my namesake. You will be in charge of the Floor of Electronic Gaming. You might meet The Patron Librarian of Classic Games later."

[@zanbamon4162]

This shit was so fun, lots of players relied on Rage Arts only though to beat it which is a little bit unfortunate

[@Jamal-wk6fy]

thats the crazy part this BOT would have had way more wins if it wasn't for rage art

[@emmett_m]

How is that unfortunate? Seems like a very reasonable response. In any fighting game invincible super beats pressing buttons

[@hands-ongaming7180]

@@emmett_mbecause it proves rage arts are a scrubby win button

[@inigmaX0X]

@@hands-ongaming7180rage areas are the scrubby win button? Not the eddy that can press one button to victory

[@hands-ongaming7180]

@@inigmaX0X yes because everyone has a rage art.

[@EnvyMizuhashi]

Thanks for directly pointing out that ranked isn't always the means to get better at Tekken. It obviously has its perks, but improving fundamentals and matchup knowledge in places where "points" aren't at stake is just as good of an investment; and for some players, it's way more fun than ranked. It sounds like a "duh" thing to say, but when talks of ranked matchmaking are so prevalent in social media nowadays, it paints a picture that ranked is all the content *there is.* Meanwhile, I'm sitting on Mighty Ruler and vibing.

[@funstorm1789]

they shut my boy down

[@fancydeeldo]

the problem is that the game was literally designed to promote offense instead of defense. that, and people seem to think about tiers more than learning the game. you really can't expect to get anywhere past red and purple ranks without doing some studying. you gotta know shit

[@KobunLaunch]

This is prob the wrong lesson to take. But I gained the most degen eddy secondary from watching the stream...

[@progste]

I enjoyed laughing like an idiot watching 3ddy destroy people with the no-mixup mixup!

[@tatzooism]

The way you said about getting better is kinda how I force myself to learn in +R. Just mashing my face against a lot of people that are leagues above me and figuring out how to punish their strings/make mine safer is an experience.

[@tatzooism]

Also allows me to laugh like a madman when my crazy stuff gets past their defense (and I drop the combo)

[@thrillhouse4151]

Ahh I remember just pressing kicks over and over again with Eddy when Tekken 3 came out as a kid. I wasn’t about to press those punch buttons.

[@lima6441]

I was surprised to see where those Yoshi players were on the chart. Tsk tsk tsk, as a Yoshi player since t3 I'm disappointed that happened to them.

[@Ash.Belmont]

As a King main, I appreciate the slide 🤣 Good looks

[@symonheilogu]

3ddy is back

[@aramondehasashi3324]

Man maybe i should pick up Tekken. Tried T7 years ago but didn't play it much cause i spent hours trying to do KBD on controller and couldn't do it to save my life so i just went back to my 2D games im comfortable with.

[@onlyonehere555]

Farewell, 3ddy. That was an incredible stream run

[@fgagaerhjhjyfyjfyyjkf]

U would think bad players vs 1 button is incredible

[@Robstafarian]

This makes me miss Virtua Fighter more.

[@dragoknighte48]

Shout out to WS3, the unsung hero of the stream

[@doogies]

facts. beating the string just to get crumpled by ws3

[@bebrasmachnayq5691]

Oh yes, the one who left it all behind, and practiced one kick combination 1000 times

[@doogies]

the scariest opponent

[@Laudplays]

Wym farewell 3ddy? 3ddy just won a whole local tournament called ComboCon 2024. It's live on KZbin.

[@Metalner]

Eliminator is still considered low beginner ranks and the rank system is very forgiving up until Garyu. They were stuck at Eliminator for quite a while, proving that anyone beyond an absolute noob will see through the move eventually.

[@doogies]

I agree. however, perspective: there are a lot of absolute noobs and eventually = in 1 round? 1 game? 2 games? 3? depends on player!

[@Metalner]

@@doogies sure but you see he was at eliminator a long time. everybody figured it out. They’ve kinda nerfed Eddy because you can instinctively block low and blow Eddy up. His moves now force stance with no cancel.

[@treehann]

I want to see a Reina bot that spams different Sentai variations. That shit keeps gettin me

[@chefvideogame]

It’s kinda like if someone went and only did the 10-hit combo string that everyone has. It’s not an obvious solution like the unblockable attacks, but it’s a weird check to see how people play this game.

[@doogies]

well even that, the low in the 10 string is diff for some chars and its not something you would check for learning how to play the game right? prob good for that reason lol

[@chefvideogame]

@@doogies I almost want to test that now. So far, most of the 10 strings are kinda bad either because they have a random slow motion like sidestep or they have a bunch of mids with no lows. But the one I’ve found that might be pretty good is Paul’s 2nd 10 string since it’s a fast standing punish on anything unsafe and the first couple of hits combo into each other right before the big mixup.

[@TheXell]

I've noticed 3ddys often get clipped by long range mids or jump kicks, like Leroys UF 3. It's the curse of strings that involve a lot of stances. Does Eddie have an armored move that is available out of one of his stances?

[@doogies]

Handstand has an armored attack

[@TheXell]

@@doogies Ah cool, thx. Imma let my buddy know, he's using Eddie a lot.

[@doogies]

I got my eddy to blue with 1 combo and like 6 or 7 moves. Start by practicing punishing better! Eddy has good punish game.

[@ZzigZaG00NIN]

Ohhh I read it as 3 days 2 years

[@evilded2]

I have a thought but, I'll wait to see if you're thinking what I'm thinking. Ok it's different. I look at this and think that there is so much underexplored potential for non-serious content in the FGC. There are examples of this like WIK along with basically everything from Epowga ( Along with the rest of the ARCSYS Blender sub-community. ). The hardest part is that it requires a concept that is both novel and engaging like 3ddy.

[@evilded2]

Also should mention, lynnToast BaziTheGrappler Uzelac

[@doogies]

Thanks for watching but I have no idea what a "blender" community means or implies? What is that?

[@evilded2]

@@doogies So basically because the arcsys games are made unreal you can pull assets from them if you know how to. Using the free and open-source 3D computer graphics software tool set blender you can create animation with the characters from games like GG and DBZ. It's pretty closely connected with the modding scene but, when it comes to youtube content people usually use it to make short shitposts using the roster as stock characters.

[@evilded2]

@@doogies example: kzbin.info/www/bejne/p6LNnahpds-Xn8ksi=wCD65eli-iP1QXtC

[@crustman5982]

Everyone wants to clown on the people losing to this but we’ve all been there.

[@doogies]

TRUE. FACTS. "you gotta get washed to get clean (and hopefully never lose to that shit again)" - yipes

[@ZpheroOfficial]

LOST THEIR WAY TO NEWGROUNDS PLAYING DRESSUP!!!???? I'm dying from laughter lmaoooooo!!!!

[@TheAeonAnimA]

It’s crazy to me that the one Lily on MainMainSWE the lily took an L, but was trying to learn the string. As A Ling player I think people picked her up thinking she’s busted but didn’t realize she’s really hard to play. Even so you’re winning a lot off of baits and pokes and mind games. This was an Eddy bot. You kinda have to play normally and know your normal defense and punish which most newer players are gonna struggle to do with Ling I think.

[@joao20able]

The lesson I learned: haha funnee

[@masterofdoom5000]

If Skynet low parries me 5 times in a row or something I think I'm just gonna join their side for real

[@Ramsey276one]

I had a gaming neighbor thay actually played like 3ddy Bot did The less skilles neighbors lost WE didn't (me and the console owner) Something similar with the Virtua Fighter Monk character Stance... To Stance... TO STANCE Same results XD

[@doogies]

Based

[@Ramsey276one]

​@@doogiesIn the Tekken *4* ers, just to be clear!

[@Big_Human]

If there are going to be bots anyways, I would love to see someone make a bot with the sole purpose of having entertaining matches

[@TheJackOfFools]

This had some people SALTY, and for the most part you just ignore the salt. However one good point I saw was that this could be showing that Tekken 8 does a poor job teaching newcomers. I think there might be some truth to that, and not just for Tekken 8. There is basically no practical training for people who have never played a fighting game before. And that is a problem. Because while the specific mechanics might change, the core concepts of fighting games can apply to just about any fighting game. Teaching total newcomers the basics shouldnt be something devs have to re-create every game. There should be a core training mode that teaches all the core concepts universal to fighting games, then the stuff that is unique to the game you are playing. Every new release could improve on the teaching of the last, meaning each new generation of fighting game players has a better start, a better foundation, than the last. Instead people are getting 3-0 perfected by a bot spamming one button. Still, I agree with your mostly hopeful take on this Obama. Some people wont learn no matter what, but I think more people learned even without good onboarding, and that is a great thing to see.

[@sayonarakid]

That Reina had everything S+ and got destroyed

[@fgagaerhjhjyfyjfyyjkf]

Those stats don’t even mean anything

[@tonydragon784]

Tekken is finally 3ree

[@yabbadabbindude]

Isnt this on brand for this character's history

[@doogies]

to a degree, yeah I agree

[@mario101395]

legit people don't understand how much just doing dumb shit, and then eventually having someone dunk on you for doing said dumb shit can help you as a player I am a resident wc df4 spammer as yoshi, and spamming that move against better players has taught me when not to use it, but it also wins me games for free against bad players people just gotta mash more, the understanding of the game will come with time

[@AresGod0fWar]

3DDY can’t be bargained or reasoned with.

[@seryip]

the matchup thing can be with Lili players and such just rematching more even if they lose

[@zubrhero5270]

Great experiment... But, as with all bots, in all games, doesn't bode well for the future of the game.

[@yoursaltyface]

4:25 😂

[@jamesk2325]

It'd be a lot easier to beat if I didn't have to pay $8 to practice against it tbh

[@laze_amvs424]

3 Diddy

[@RealBigMitch]

This is hilarious

[@Auto00]

We need a Viktor 22222 bot😂😂😂

[@TheManWithTheFace]

Hopefully eddy is nerfed to the nether realm

[@theshyboy]

God I hope I didn't lose to this bot.

[@Sticks_of_Truth]

You can't put how easy it is to play on Tekken 8 as a whole as some button mashi easy to play a game. You can't do that one button Eddy s*** with anyone else besides Victor.

[@doogies]

We gonna pretend like some chars don't have shit u can't face roll at a low level? Be reasonable lol

[@Sticks_of_Truth]

@@doogies Eddie has been that way since his Inception in every Tekken. You can caveman on the buttons and have a ton of fun. If you sit around with a group of friends that never played the game they'll pull out cool s*** from smashing buttons. I'm just saying you can't just keep pushing the same button continuously and produce s*** in Tekken except for now with those two characters.

[@sneakman9873]

I know if no one got me, ws3 got me.

[@doogies]

how many times did we see someone beat the string just to get folded by ws3 lol

[@user-fe5bm6ot8o]

Highlights how bad Tekken players are these days… but same goes for GuiltyGear players, who went from highest quality to MK levels the last 2 years.

[@dudemetslagroom8065]

I don't get the hatred for Lili players.. Like yeah they're annoying to fight against, (and the ones that show up in only a swimsuit are... creepy) but like. PLaying a character you like and love to customize isn't that a good reason to main someone? When you pick a character you really like?

[@bizooty]

You know exactly the type of Lili player that gets clowned lol. Doesnt help how loud they tend to be. But honestly, most Lili players I know are just like, "cute french lady flippy kick matterhorn go brr is pretty fun". And thats respectable.

[@doogies]

Answered your own question lol

[@researchbashio]

It just a joke lmao

[@aerodat_]

found the Lili player

[@MrOzzification]

Its not that deep bruh. People are just memeing on Lili players. Majority of Lili mains don't even deny the "we're just here to play dress up" allegations.

[@neimanwheatlandboi8258]

Eddy here to stay 😂😂 sorry we love the hate

[@garretwoeller7669]

Honestly see players just get eaten up by those 3s is insane this bot dod better then me a Bryan player who is doing so much shit yet blud is just pressing 1 button christ these players have to be paid actor.

[@Zolti14]

o7

[@JusticeAngel]

No mames wey

[@tragicworms3418]

first (i will edit this later love u)

[@mowb]

Didnt watch the video but future of tekken? It will be shit. Thank you. c:

[@rschmidt93]

Lili mains exposed again lol