Farewell Sonic Generations

It's time to take one final look at this classic before it's remastered for the next generation.
#sonicgenerations #sonicgenerationsmods #sonicthehedgehog #sonicxshadowgenerations #shadowgenerations #sonic #shadowthehedgehog

[@mayday2237]

They aren't delisting the original title, they're just moving it to a legacy bundle and rebranding it in order to avoid confusing customers.

[@Kacper42PL]

Still quite bullshit how a fully playable game is made exclusive to the two Sonic-related bundles instead of just, idk, being either hidden from search just like how Valve did with Half Life Source, or simply renamed to something like "Classic", "Old" etc.

[@danyo5786]

@@Kacper42PL You don't even have to do that last part the game is already called sonic X SHADOW generations. I have no idea why they're missing out on free money because this wont be effecting the new releases sales unless you're like, really dumb.

[@autosaver]

@@Kacper42PLSonic Generations Classic Sonic

[@RafzCampz]

@@Kacper42PLyou’ll live bro 💀

[@Laenthor]

The main reason is money. Hiding it in a bundle makes it so you have to pay way more to own the original, or pay more for the new remaster. Now I think the new content is almost worth the price, but it still stings a bit that corpos can just chose to do this.

[@DethJeff365]

Hedgehog engine is for graphics, it’s not a game engine. it’s not for physics, it’s not for gameplay, it’s just visuals

[@gabrieledomfazio]

Hedgehog engine is a complete engine, mirage is the graphics engine. Sonic doesn’t use havoc for movement

[@vanshygamer1316]

​@@gabrieledomfazio have you even seen the sonic team presentation on hedgehog engine?

[@gabrieledomfazio]

@@vanshygamer1316 they presented the graphical part of the engine iirc (which *is* the most noticeable part in a presentation), even says mirage on there. even then, research from modders shows that it is an everything engine as colors uses it and doesn’t use mirage

[@KidAL0]

Search “Hedgehog Engine” and the first result straight up calls it a game engine lmao It definitely *prioritized* a new graphical style and focused particularly on lighting, but that’s not its sole purpose

[@kaobunn]

it pains me when someone says gens was the last good sonic game because frontiers being ass feels like a collective bandwagon the community jumped on just because other people exaggerated its flaws and people ran with it, it did a lot for the franchise, its super important and has a lot of highs, i dont understand the hate

[@LS_Dash]

Play any other open world game and see how it compares to Frontiers, which is held together by toothpicks and glue.

[@zmannotforreal]

@@LS_Dashfrontiers is one of my favorite Sonic games and I played other open world games it’s peak idc what anyone says

[@vhisperv]

Frontiers was sold with 4 “massive” starfall islands at 60 dollars, still being riddled with bug as of yesterday when I picked it up again that have killed my gameplaying experience. The level design is pure automation through rails, springs, and dash panels. By modern standards, Frontiers should’ve been an absolute flop and speaking to people outside of twitter and irl, they think the game is a joke too. Frontiers is not 5 years of work on a game full of stock assets and atrocious pop in that fans had to fix as always. Sega should be embarrassed and ashamed of a piece of garbage that Sonic fanatics only like because they’re desperate to say Sonic is peak no matter what. Telling you if that game came out in the 2000’s everyone would be trashing on it. At least Shadow Generations looks great.

[@kaobunn]

@@vhisperv i think people say frontiers is great because its their opinion actually

[@kaobunn]

@@LS_Dash i dont think that makes frontiers bad, the game is still fun to play regardless if it isnt super polished

[@feen0108]

Absolute Cinema. I came into the video not being a Sonic fan, and after finishing this absolute 5-star video I am now a Sonic fan. This video has changed my life for the better my view on life has been altered now knowing that I must keep pushing forward to wanting more. Thank you ❤

[@Noahthefunnyguy]

In only a single day?!

[@BlastPastFast]

Dawg found Jesus

[@HollowThePumpkin]

W

[@Grim0XVr]

Welcome to the fan base👋

[@Oliver-t5r]

We could still save you

[@Time_Sink]

Hedgehog engine is only a graphics engine, the control changes were not caused by the move to hedgehog engine 2, which is a nice looking engine. Oopsie!

[@TheComemnter]

You clearly know nothing about the Hedgehog Engine.

[@Lulamoonz]

Hedgehog engine is a full game engine that is in house for Sonic Team not just a graphics engine while you are right the control changes werent caused by it Hedgehog engine is alot more then just graphics

[@weezley_]

Hedgehog Engine is a graphics engine as WELL AS a game engine. You're right in saying the control changes aren't caused by the engine changing, but that's only because newer Sonic games use the same character controller as Lost World, not the character controller Unleashed through Generations used. The Havok and Bullet engines the games use are for things like rigid body collision and animation, Hedgehog Engine manages Sonic's physics all on its own. They could use the same character controller as Gens and Unleashed, but the reason they don't is because they just don't want to.

[@tiredguyissleeping]

​@@TheComemnterdamn who took ur girl? Why so mad?

[@Time_Sink]

Hello gamers I am glad to see people enjoy the video : ) I hope I can entertain more in the future

[@DonutSwordsman]

Great relaxing vid before bed, subbed ty for the mod coverage fr

[@mrtylersquared]

Sonic generations was my first boost formula game and I loved it! Excited to hear what you think about SonicXShadow

[@noahpauley]

Not sure why you’re saying Generations was the last good Sonic game when we’ve got both Mania and Frontiers since then.

[@Lolocat-j6v]

Mania being a fan game and Frontiers being overrated

[@supersmashmaster43]

Mania was great but frontiers was just okay. As great as mania was, I wish they made more new stages for it. Frontiers is a step in the right direction, but feels a bit rough around the edges.

[@leorelic]

@@Lolocat-j6v Mania was not a fangame , it was fully licensed and greenlit by SEGA , they gave Christian Whitehead a full team to work with

[@leorelic]

@@supersmashmaster43 Frontiers feels too open world for Sonic imo. but it works. its not the best but its good i'd want a Sonic Adventure 3 tho

[@Stormy01]

@@Lolocat-j6v mania wasnt a fangame, and Frontiers isnt overrated.

[@MoeE3999]

if generations remastered uses an updated version of hedgehog engine 1, porting old mods would be possible after a year or 2 if not sooner. similar thing happened happened to skyrim, OG version delisted replaced with the remaster and because its using same engine but updated, it took like a year or 2 to get mods working properly again. Now Skyrim Special Edition have more modding capabilities due to the updated engine and removed limitations.

[@Time_Sink]

Thats actually so cool I hope we see it turn out this way

[@Electrical010]

They said mods are not affected. Though we'll see on 22nd if that statement is true. (Deluxe release)

[@mrm64]

I was born in the Genesis era so my first Sonic experience was the Gamecube era. I feel ya lol. But I came to love Sonic through Adventure 2 and Unleashed. Generations indeed is a fantastic game.

[@c0ffinai1s]

I like Sonic

[@Orangejoos64]

I am gonna get you

[@ToucanElegant]

I like Persona

[@Neoniq41]

Mario is better ngl

[@shuckleknuckles3581]

​@Neoniq41 kirby better ngl

[@zmannotforreal]

@@Neoniq41I know where you sleep at night

[@venny1689]

Glad to hear I'm not the only person who hates the weird glide-boost for shadow. His skating is iconic, why would they do that?

[@GUNUFofficial]

They have to do something with his rocket boots.

[@Amero2005]

I hope they rework the Time Eater's boss fight to be more similar to the 3Ds version, is way funnier and you don't have the annoying voices in the background

[@Ibalistic_hedge]

Generations was the last great sonic game? So Mania and Frontiers don't exist?

[@Time_Sink]

Genuinely did forget about mania, great game, but frontiers just is not for me personally.

[@Ibalistic_hedge]

@@Time_Sink fe

[@Moskaato]

Frontiers is good but not great

[@dreamcastdazia4753]

​@@Time_Sink I mean fairs but in a video like this isn't it best to phrase it in a way that doesn't invalidate the majority of people's opinions on the game? Frontiers literally saved the franchise from extinction. If it failed that was most definitely IT for sonic and it was met with overwhelming love on the release and even more the heat after with all the free updates.

[@aaronbeckford8925]

Frontiers is ass

[@Ecua73]

Dude honestly great work, I seriously can’t believe this is your first vid. Keep doing what you are doing this was a amazing video to sit through beginning to end.👍👍👍

[@Time_Sink]

thanks bro :D

[@ShowinGrowin]

Great video! Didn't expect my mod to be mentioned in something like this but it's really cool to see.

[@Time_Sink]

Your mod is great dude it totally belongs in a discussion of best generations mods

[@Andrew7923]

I watched the video and went to look at your channel for more. Can't believe this is your first video, great job.

[@bezzu]

keep it up friend you did great for a first video, you absolutely nailed it! dont be afraid to branch out to different topics either, hope you stick around for longer and don't get burned out too quick, happy to say I've been here since day 3 lol

[@Time_Sink]

Thanks so much :D Im glad you enjoyed it, I hope to stick around too lol

[@hoplabobla]

I can't understand why Sonic Generations is deleted 😮

[@e123shadowaisha]

If Internet Shaquille and nerd slayer studios had a baby, this is the voice that baby would have. Great video, subscribed!

[@maroonhathacker]

A correction: the hedgehog engine and hedgehog engine 2 are only lighting engines: they don't at all have anything to do with gameplay elements (a fair few of the sonic and mario at the Olympics games use the hedgehog engine 1/2 funnily enough). It's just sad hedgehog engine 2 has never really been used in a decent game like generations (although Shadow Generations will be using hedgehog engine 2).

[@seematahir5970]

I actually disagree with you at 3:40 tbh, I think Crisis City Act 2 is a huge downgrade from the original in everything except gameplay functionality. Most of the cool sections and gimmicks from the OG (skateboarding, grinding, the whirlwind section, the varied sense of direction) are gone, and replaced with fairly generic lava level design and really tedious 2D sections. I like how they invert the mach speed section at the end, but besides that the Gens version takes away more than it adds. It's still a good stage, but it just feels like like a reimagining of the original stage and more like "Gens city stage #300 except now it's on fire"

[@Robotta]

This is 100% true and I'm surprised no one seems to share the same opinion. I think it's because most people skipped 06 due to how buggy and unfinished it was, but after replaying Crisis City in P-06 I realized how great Crisis City is, and how "fine" the Gens version is.

[@josiebobos]

I’m so excited for the remaster and this video is great btw

[@akaofficialchannel9101]

It's like creating a masterpiece, the best way you can possibly make it, then fucking it all up to do something new....

[@hamzamohamed6774]

0:59 ahh 😁 you're officially BASED then

[@spiderzilla7o7]

This game is amazing and IM SURE IT DOESNT NEED A THIRD GAME

[@Kacper42PL]

Well that's an awkward comment section honestly Anyways, really neat vid! Nice stuff to play in the background

[@shade_deku]

I’ll be waiting for the Sonic Shadow vid!!

[@Simply_Trip]

THIS IS YOUR FIRST VIDEO??? W VIDEO!!👏👏👏👏👏

[@RaihanGiblelover2000]

Oh boy can't wait to play the first Sonic game that brought me into the franchise again!

[@SlowMlk1225]

To answer your question at the start of the video: No I haven’t but I plan to on the 22nd

[@TylerBR97]

7:11 you did NOT play enough Unleashed if you believe this. Unleashed has just as many paths as Generations, they’re just much more challenging to find

[@AllardRT]

>delisting the original Sonic Generations is scummy, to say the least Uh, how? They aren't taking it away from the existing owners.

[@Gear07]

It's scummy because you're not allowed to get the original game anymore, and you're forced to get the "remaster" that is more expensive.

[@AllardRT]

@@Gear07 It's their product to sell or not to sell. People who didn't buy it in the last 13 years aren't owed anything.

[@Gear07]

@@AllardRT Obviously, yeah. They're allowed to do as they wish. But it feels scummy to gatekeep a version of the game for the sake of getting more money.

[@Kian-p7s]

Sonic frontiers was great and sonic mana was great and depending on who you ask sonic superstars

[@Reddeth6332]

I believe that Sonic Gens is a good game, but I feel like there could have been a lot more done with it and it seems like that will be the case for the remaster. It would have been great to see Classic Sonic get more boss fights, see CD or some handheld levels get some love too, and some unlockable skins/characters would have been fun. It always felt like they found their rhythm with Gens and then played it safe. Edit: I want to make it clear that the Shadow portion is a great addition, but I consider that separate from the Gens portion. unless I have miss read something I think the 3DS stages should have been put in there for this upcoming release.

[@l0lJustJames]

Good vid

[@McGillicuddy849]

there are plenty of famous zones from recent sonic games, and generations wasnt the last great sonic game, we have frontiers and mania

[@dreamcastdazia4753]

Generations is the last " *great sonic game* " ? Not Mania or Frontiers?

[@autosaver]

07:08 - I don’t really understand this criticism about Unleashed. Unleashed has tons of branching paths that intertwine.

[@secoTheSonicFan]

It does but to a limited degree. But this was discussed too many times. Its okay to have a different opinion than other people. I also felt Sonic Unleashed level design is way too linear, but everyone discussed these opinions back in 2008. Its okay if you still like Unleashed levels. But being open-minded on why other humans may not like the same thing as you is crucial for speaking to others outside the internet

[@Time_Sink]

not so much a criticism but a point of comparison, I adore the unleashed levels I just do think the paths in unleashed tend to be more little shortcuts than fully extensive alternate routes.

[@Никитаватолкин-ц8ш]

Hello Sonic x Shadow Generations

[@seanalailima5929]

The Deadly Six, Infinite, and Sage aren't bad characters.

[@Lonewolf360gaming]

Sage is the only good one deadly six and infinite are frauds ngl

[@seanalailima5929]

@@Lonewolf360gaming On the plus side, Sticks and Tangle exist within the main Sonic games.

[@seanalailima5929]

@@Lonewolf360gaming Why are the Zeti and the jackal frauds?

[@Lonewolf360gaming]

@@seanalailima5929 yeah that's pretty neat

[@seanalailima5929]

@@Lonewolf360gaming Why is the jackal and Zeti frauds?

[@Karianysu]

Actually Shadow Generations is the last best Sonic game

[@JuniBowman]

I disagree with the sentiment that caring about the stories of the games is dumb or makes you a loser, some of these games have the only thing that is saving them be the story or at least the ambition of the story (like shadow the hedgehog and sonic 06)

[@TwistedLullabies]

Yup, it's still the best Sonic game

[@XLgamer1055]

20:12 Perfect chaos is possible as Mario but it took me a few hours lol

[@Kinggriffinfull]

UNDERRATED

[@Akrenix]

SONIC GENERATIONS PASSED AWAY?! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[@ghhn4505]

1:59 They aren't delisting it completely, it's just only going to be avaliable in a bundle with other Sonic games (and generally if you own the other games in the bundle you still get a discount on whatever's left in it). It's a little annoying and scummy but I'm glad they aren't delisting it completely like they did with the Classic Sonic games, and they're pretty much only doing it due to fan request which is cool. 2:42 "the last great sonic game" I thought Mania was like, the highest rated Sonic game in the series lmao

[@Stormy01]

this isnt the last great sonic game, this is one of the best yea, but almost everyone agrees that Gens was beat by Sonic Frontiers, a 2022 title.

[@rayisded]

TONY HAWK MOD MENTIONED

[@Time_Sink]

why are you dead

[@rayisded]

@@Time_Sink i got touched

[@Maye1918]

To this day i keep Palm Tree Panic as the song thst plays when i fight Time Eater. I will not be changing it 😂

[@KevonPearson]

All it is just changing visuals, they act like they’re changing the entire game, plus, knowing sonic fans, they’re obviously gonna buy it anyways cuz of shadow gens

[@leorelic]

Delisting the original version is not that bad if this new Remaster is still going to have the original content. AND if you already owned the original version you're still going to continue playing that regardless so it won't bother existing customers AND it is not exactly being delisted , its moving to a bundle so people can still buy it regardless. AAAAAAND if you're still mad about all that , you can still find the PS3/XBOX360 and OG version on PC through seven seas. so its not lost

[@mr.smart75]

I have never played it

[@Time_Sink]

store.steampowered.com/app/2513280/SONIC_X_SHADOW_GENERATIONS/

[@cringelocator479]

Dramatic ass title and thumbnail😭

[@Time_Sink]

how else am I gonna get people to click on a video with no views from a channel with no subscribers bro 💀

[@Orangejoos64]

@@cringelocator479 hey buddy leave her alone

[@TheSpaceking12]

Xenoblade mention? Subbed.

[@Orangejoos64]

Damn now I gotta replay every sonic game ever now

[@Time_Sink]

are you really a minecraft jack-o-lantern

[@Orangejoos64]

@@Time_Sink why does that matter. Of course not but if I was would it be an issue? Like cmon man I watch your video and you are throwing these CRAZY accusations about me like no I am a NORMAL human being like you. Why would I be a Minecraft pumpkin rhat is so weird like what is wrong with you. Disliked and blacklisted for being a crazy person and thinking I am not a normal person which i am and instead a crazy minecraft pumpkin which i am not.

[@Time_Sink]

@@Orangejoos64 have you ever heard of this really funny rabbit called big chungus

[@THETECHFROMJIMNIM]

They are not gonna delist it, they are just gonna be in collection packs on steam not individually

[@Soraru-The-Great]

sonic generations

[@faz10do]

You’ll have a reason to revisit it on the remaster

[@Kookie_13_]

I would correct you on saying it’s a remake cus it really annoys me but I wouldn’t even say it’s a remaster it looks more like an extended port anyway

[@JuniBowman]

Didn’t they literally say that mods for sonic generations wouldn’t be affected? As in they would still work? Maybe I misunderstood what they meant but that’s how I interpreted it

[@asdfxcvbn746]

0:54 Sonic Mania is better, but I respect your opinion.

[@HedgehoGenerations6868]

Bro ignored sonic frontiers and said that there was no good game in 13 years

[@ois3671]

great video, very well edited and spoken. You deserve way more Subs you did this game justice

[@Time_Sink]

thanks : D

[@Ibalistic_hedge]

How can you not know how to fight the time eater? You just boost towards it and hit its purple, glass weak spot. It’s not hard💀

[@sikosonix901]

I disagree with your take on the delisting. Why is it so hard to understand how business works? If the original Generations stayed up, it would heavily decrease sales. People would think that Shadow Generations is just DLC, and go for the one literally half the price. What sense would it make to keep an outdated version of a game you want to remaster? "But the mods-" nah man, if you wanted to play mods, you would have got the game yesteryear. Don't blame SEGA for your lack of proactivity. Yeah it's sad that newcomers won't get those mods, but millions already have them. Plus, if you care that much about mods, you're probably gonna get the remaster anyway. In fact, just sail the seven seas for it. I doubt SEGA would care since the pre orders are already going crazy for Shadow. Edit: also, to say Gens was the last great Sonic game is kinda harsh. I'm not going to force you to like Mania or Frontiers, but you can't just neglect what they did for the franchise, especially Frontiers. In fact, I think Dream Team an Superstars deserve to be there as well. Got nothing against you tho, videos good 👍🏾

[@Caintastrophe]

The sonic compete bundle is $51 on humble and has every sonic game up to forces (except the delisted genesis games), so just buy that and not the scam “legacy bundle” that doesn’t even include the OG versions of the genesis games

[@olezornow4239]

I used too play the crap out of Sonic Generations on my PS3 not my fave Sonic game that goes too Adventure 1 and 2 and unleashed. But still a good no AWSOME game

[@TorellSuggs-y8l]

1:04 in my honest opinion I think unleashed did it better but I can see what you mean

[@AgentNibbles]

This video feels a bit unnecessary,. I understand delisting the game to sell it with a new title is scummy but when you say stuff like people won't be able to experience the modding scene the game had was already addressed by the developers. They heard the community and made sure to let the game be compatible with the mods after so many fans voiced their concerns. This was stated on their official Twitter almost a month ago by now.

[@KevonPearson]

And they’re obviously also gonna put mods in the newer version of generations, and they’re also gonna mod Shadow generations, they make it seem as if the entire game is changing when it’s literally just a visual update

[@AgentNibbles]

@@KevonPearson It's not even a visual update, just a few quality of life changes with UI and gameplay. The graphics are mostly untouched.

[@KevonPearson]

@@AgentNibbles The gameplay rarely doesn’t look any different than the original, aside from upscale frame rates, I don’t understand

[@hoonencode2430]

Too bad were getting a half ass remaster.

[@lefeeshchopped8286]

It's not gone tho

[@gb_oreo]

pretty nice video :b

[@Time_Sink]

thank you : D

[@olivia-ge8kh]

ratio

[@Time_Sink]

dont do this to me ive only been here for a day

[@slggiish]

you sound just like my baby dad

[@Noahthefunnyguy]

Make up your mind, does he sound like your baby, or your dad

[@animosity3771]

@@Noahthefunnyguythe dad of her baby, usually this slang is seen as “baby daddy”

[@Noahthefunnyguy]

@@animosity3771 i was joking

[@SonicZuki]

Game is not Going anywhere making this video pointless lowkey just saying

[@Time_Sink]

Bro works for the frowning friends

[@mr.takerusasazuka31]

L video

[@JuniBowman]

Didn’t they literally say that mods for sonic generations wouldn’t be affected? As in they would still work? Maybe I misunderstood what they meant but that’s how I interpreted it

[@JuniBowman]

Didn’t they literally say that mods for sonic generations wouldn’t be affected? As in they would still work? Maybe I misunderstood what they meant but that’s how I interpreted it

[@Time_Sink]

mods wont be affected but to play them you have to have the game which is now locked behind a bundle 10 dollars more expensive than the remaster thats coming out, and i think thats not cool

[@JuniBowman]

@@Time_Sink meh, I don’t think that’s too bad considering that 1. The base price of the game is still $10 below the old standard price and $20 less then the base price that is starting to become more standard so the bundle with the original game is only the standard price of a game, and it’s also not like they are taking away copies of the game and either way, if they didn’t include it in the bundle then buying them separately would have costed more then doing it this way, so if anything Sega would be losing money if people wanted to buy the original game for mods, but people getting the new release probably wouldn’t be looking for the old game for mods either way So it wouldn’t be taking away from people wanting to play with mods because for those who want to buy the game and have the original would have to spend more money buying them seprately instead of in 1 bundle that is $10 more with other stuff as well Like, you can say it’s greed but genuinely, how is it making them more money to give you the original game for far cheaper with the newer rerelease, then it would be to let you buy the original for the original cost or worse, let consumers be confused by them potentially accidentally buying the original generations instead of the new one which would force you to buy 2 games instead of 1 Like, genuinely think about it, most people who would want to have the old version of the game probably would also want the stuff from the new release, so it would be cheaper for the average consumer to buy the $10 more bundle and also get other stuff along side it, then it would have been to buy them seprately

[@kaobunn]

​@@Time_Sinkthe price of the bundle lowers if you already own games from it so it could be even cheaper on someone's end

[@Kap22891]

@@Time_Sink the hedgemod manager creators actually want to implement a feature that lets you convert gens mod into the new sonic gens, so if it happens you aren't losing anything