Should you just QUIT Yu-Gi-Oh?

[@SextonHardcastle85]

I quit trying to play competitively 2 years ago and I’ve never loved the game more. I treat it like a game and not a lifestyle or career.

[@JonBc14]

Thats how I do it! Best way to play it in my opinion!

[@SextonHardcastle85]

@@JonBc14 Seriously! It’s great just showing up to the card shop with my janky goat deck that is mostly just proxies and just having a good time with friends. Zero pressure and sometimes I even get a win or two! 😂

[@hexata2123]

You said it Mr. Sex...Hard!

[@CosmicPegasus7188]

this is why I still have mystic mine burn even after it got banned. It just felt like too amusing of a deck to stop playing due to corporate decision... and Public Opinion lmao

[@Darkyan97]

That's why I still enjoy playing pure Blue-Eyes. I just know I'm gonna lose 70% of the time and I don't really care.

[@TheRoseReaper]

For me, a perfect format is where everyone is having fun and the decks are affordable for everyone and not all the decks play the same engine over and over again.

[@captainsunshine64]

Has that ever been the case though? Feels like a made up fantasy format

[@Some_Guy_on_the_web]

Heart of the Underdog format could be that, if Konami actually did an official tournament

[@lordofcrows]

​@@captainsunshine64 I think pre-PHNI format was the closest we got in recent memory for that It had 8 decks, therefore none of them could be TOO expensive and all of them did something unique

[@sunset7424]

​@lordofcrows pre January banlist format was wild you had so many fun decks to play against.

[@zell245]

@@captainsunshine64generally yes plenty of formats. Of course excluding arbitrary shit like everyone having fun or affordability. To a lot of people tenpai is very affordable to others it’s not. There will always be someone not having fun. So maybe not in the exact way the original commenter put it

[@Metaknight145]

Synchro format was fondly looked upon because Konami just didn't care and reprinted the good synchros in tins the same month their packs came out in. They just straight up put goyo, stardust, and black rose as guaranteed promos in tins within months of their pack release. The equivalent is like if they put accesscode as a promo. Synchros were so accessable to the casuals it was crazy.

[@GatsbyCioffi]

It was a really smart idea, to ease the playerbase into the new summoning mechanic. The first 6 tins being Stardust, RDA, Black Rose, Power Tool, Ancient Fairy, and Black Winged Dragon is honestly nuts.

[@akira8393]

I guess i was retarded because i find tribute summons more understandable than synchro summons

[@richardshiflett5181]

5ds was best era

[@Thekulprit92]

Except the only thing has changed is how they treat tcg, ocg still gets all those prints sometimes 1-1.5-2 years before tcg

[@kutsmacksolucas]

It was also the last yugioh series to be relativelly mainstrean successful. That makes a huge difference in the cultural zeitgeist amongst players

[@shadow3746]

Paul was right about just about everything he was talking about, and I've seen what he was saying when watching many other KZbinrs who make Yu-Gi-Oh videos. We all love the game, but there's lots of complaints about the format, cards people don't like vs ones they do, problem cards that create an ungodly meta, etc. it's just the way the game goes. One moment you're struggling, then they try to fix it by adjusting the banlist to hit problem cards. But of course Konami has to still make money so some things won't see a full ban. Gotta take the good with the bad when playing this game.

[@blackartsasmr2146]

I love how goyim always race to defend konamis profit margins. Its weird how the entire videogame industry (or at least the praised parts of it) are able to spend years developing videogames with gigantic hundred million dollar budgets and you still see them release them as 60e purchases, whereas konami just magically """"needs""" to make infinite profit off of printing RNG cardboard in boosters every month

[@akira8393]

And they're not making money😂. Ya might as well just sell it to Japan

[@shadow3746]

@@akira8393 i dunno man, the way people are using decks that are expensive af as if it's simple makes me think they dropped some serious cash on Yu-Gi-Oh. But hey, I can always be wrong 😂

[@snarky5341]

It’s also a rich man’s game. No poors allowed and no women too. I say that because the bad hygiene of guys is designed to repulse women.

[@kuroibail2498]

Maybe introducing more gamemodes to Yugioh like Master Duel has different gamemode only with extrarules or gamemode exclusive yugiohcards so that you can pay more money to the poor small company called Konami

[@daveclarke1990]

"You have to make your own fun" But thats what im paying konami for!

[@ahmadazem4167]

You are paying Konami for cards. Having fun is on you

[@Efgand0894]

I'm having so much fun losing each match 😊

[@Counselor-yj8hk]

honestly at this point, yugioh feels like its on life support. every new set that comes out has to be more OP than the last set. This leads to tons of Tier 0 formats in the last few years and the game becomes very "same-y". Everyone plays the best engines or archetype because they are OP and nothing more. In the past, it didn't feel like this and Tier 0 formats were far and few in between all the sets.

[@akira8393]

It's either tier-0 or tear 0😂

[@grosspapillon9336]

Idk about this one. As much as I agree that in their respective formats decks like Snake eye and Kash absolutely dominate the big tournaments, there’s PLENTY of other decks that can perform. My locals has like a 30% snake eye turnout and everybody else plays what they like… which to me just feels like people hate losing the game for any reason. Every deck in this game has an annoying win condition, including the “fun” decks. Tear is like the exception to the rule, that was an absurd power spike and I agree with everyone who was upset about that.

[@ArzneiPrediger]

I havent played IRL for the last year, it is just so freakin expensive to buy all the new busted stuff. It is like a 50$ per month subscription atleast. And goin locals just to get clapped by new meta is a waist of time in my perception. The MD lim 1 festival was fun to play, I honestly enjoined to discover the prebuild visas deck xD

[@alexandergeorgiev74]

Master duel is the best way to play

[@lordgrub12345]

How did you genuinely enjoy that event 😭. Although, yeah, md is by far the best way to play yugioh, in my opinion. I built a full snake eyes without ever spending a single penny in the game.

[@ArzneiPrediger]

@@lordgrub12345 I havent played visas lore before and it was kinda funny to play them all and jump through the different universes xDD I summoned Veda like 2 times, was pretty dank.

[@Efgand0894]

​@@alexandergeorgiev74No, MD is another terrible format

[@alexandergeorgiev74]

@@Efgand0894 but it's free not like paper cards only maxx c the problem

[@RobRuckus65]

The problem with yugioh is it is very competitive and meta driven. It lacks casual formats or even a just for fun mindset around playing.

[@sladevalen]

To fix yugioh in one move id say giving people more access to older formats. More events in TCG and adding ladders to queue for in master duel

[@ZiyangLiu-mu8bg]

The game got ruined when legend of blue eyes white dragon came out. So many broken cards like pot and rageki made the game feel so sacky

[@D1ORogue]

That's literally the first set just don't even play the game jfc

[@zairewright1135]

Nigga literally just don't play 💀one of the first sets wth

[@Goblin_Hands]

It was never perfect, nor as balanced as it seemed in the Anime. Many monsters were very poorly designed or impossible to summon, such as Great Moth, Gate Guardian, or Flame Swordsman. Many iconic monsters had horrible stats compared to Bandai counterparts (Harpie Lady, Two-Headed King Rex). It was always very frustrating. Levels and stats were everywhere too.

[@uuh4yj43]

​@@Goblin_Hands i think they were making a joke

[@k-dawgHI]

Short answer: Are you dissatisfied? If so yes. If not? No. Long Answer: I’m fucking tired of humans in general constantly forcing themselves to play things or interact with things they know they hate and willingly participating in things they know they feel no joy in (especially things that don’t even give you a reward). Some people are really addicted to their own misery especially as they grow up 💀💀. Do something you enjoy as a hobby I BEG YOU!

[@dakeyress]

Good ol' days were when no competitive yugioh existed for me. And people were playing with what rhey had and liked

[@randomUser2121]

game needs to be cheaper.

[@leafninja-fox5713]

100% agree. Just simply play yugioh when you feel like it, don't force it. I typically play Master duel every 3 days or so usually, or multiple days in a row sometimes. It's not that I 'only' enjoy it to that extent, but it's because that's what feels comfortable. I even took a break once and tried out Pokémon TCG, immediately built a deck, won a few locals, and then gave up and went back to yugioh. (It was funny, because I was a new player, but I learn fast). I just do what's fun. And yugioh is fun when 'consumed' at a steady pace for me.

[@wanderingsword4003]

I just quit Master Duel maybe 30 mins ago. Guess Silent Swordsman will forever be a relic of the past.

[@commentstealer4460]

Everyone is different , everyone wants to play with their favorite cards , ones that match their hearts but konami doesn't understand that, so they force you to play with a meta deck that you don't like when you get tired of losing . It sucks .

[@RavensEagle]

Same with my mystic swordsman deck

[@Thekulprit92]

The last "new" decks I liked was thunder dragon, and gate guardians, and I rarely play those, all the other decks I like have 0% chance to compete at all on master duel, I quit when snake eyes came to master duel, it just showed how un-fun the game is

[@Carlos.Rivera]

I feel you. I guess I need to bury BLS and Buster Blader ☹️

[@airbornejay4962]

That cant even when in Legacy of the Duelist

[@MICHAELTUMANGDAY]

The sad part is even casuals becomes rank... Because there will always be this prick that'll play a meta Deck just to look "strong". This causes some players to leave and play a different card game or just quit completely..

[@Number81SuperD]

I have given up trying to be any good at Yu-Gi-Oh since coming back to it in my early 20s and wanting to play Dark Magician. I took one look at the prices of DM staples back then and immediately noped out. Since then I have played extremely casually with friends who don't chase the meta and have been having a blast pitting my janky decks against theirs. The ridiculous prices on cards has never stopped being infuriating though.

[@vidalmeza8230]

I wonder what area he lives in? Because he says that he didn’t know anyone that hated synchros. Where I’m from that’s why Yu-Gi-Oh kinda died with the 5ds era. Because nobody In knew liked synchro. And after words, I never heard nothing else from Yu-Gi-Oh!. Until the dark side of dimensions movie.

[@ryprims2189]

Synchro era was peak yugioh at the competitive and casual level. It wasn’t broken, needed resources that didn’t turbo the game, and there was genuine back and forth play. There were so many unique decks at locals and regionals a that time.

[@xelic1996]

I'd argue all the way to 2014 yugioh was in a good place in back and forth gameplay. #bringbackfirewaterformat

[@DestroAzureDx]

I disagree slightly. I think the perfect yugioh format was just before nekroz dropped and Burning abyss and Shaddoll were meta. Note I was never interested in playing those decks but you could pretty easily win or hold onto the game for a few turns

[@andrewrowland1989]

Aka Edison format

[@zeronaught8990]

It's not enjoyable because it's not affordable. $100 for a card with no alternative is ridiculous

[@YTDan]

One thing to make everyone go crazy? Unlimited GRACEFUL CHARITY!!!

[@handlebar4520]

bro hasn't seen cimo's tier 0 exodia video

[@JonKarasu]

@@handlebar4520 Sangan & Black Witch errata: Am I joke to you?

[@handlebar4520]

Branded: am I a joke to you?

[@Kevbotomy]

As a Blue Eyes player, I just have fun trying to make my big stupid dragon work.

[@Zachpi]

I'm legit on team take a break. I've been taking a break for like, months hoping something will change about printing practices, but I really don't think it's gonna happen. People say they care, they say they want it to change, but then they buy the next new deck, so how do you think that's gonna get Koanmi to change things when you keep spending?

[@akira8393]

I don't anymore. Knowing it's on life support and yu gi oh is still dying... I just say fuck it let it die

[@Zetact_]

Most players of any game aren't sweats so having no good means of filtering between players of different skill levels or decks of different power levels for the online simulator is something that you want to focus on. Card games are pretty much the only genre of game that has no easy way to address this problem. If you go to a boxing venue and have people of every weight class and who rank from world title holders to complete novices drawing lots to determine who is going to fight, you're almost never going to end up with a fair match.

[@frig7014]

I mean the ranked system is supposed to fix this, but it feels frustrating to get stuck in your rank, even though by all objective measures if youve played a ton of games and are hard stuck gold thats where you belong with other gold players, feel like the matchmaking is still a little messed up in md tho its not very good at separating first timers from returning players who just downranked due to taking a break

[@RobRuckus65]

@@frig7014 It doesn't do much to fix anything since you can play any deck in any rank. I haven't played in awhile so my rank is all the way at the bottom again but I can just hop right in and play newbies with high powered decks.

[@kallax7172]

Combine MD, OCG, and TCG to 1 format. Having all these alternative formats are crazy. OCG prices are much better than TCG prices. Make it all coherent. Give us rush duels in TCG. The superior game.

[@TheArchangelNexus]

The one single thing I keep hearing people talk about is wiping the banlist clean and rebuilding it after the chaos it causes.

[@uuh4yj43]

that would be so fun

[@Gravitysonic0]

Rush is right there. Locked behind Gacha Links, but it's something different

[@jacobcoates7987]

The more I watch cimo the less I believe there was ever a "better" format. This game was built on ftks, otks and floodgates.

[@rocapbg9518]

I think that's really just a yugituber problem. If the average player doesn't like the game, they just quit or take a break.

[@Ragnarok540]

This is very true. The way the KZbin algorithm works, it would be suicide if a yugituber started to diversify their content in their main channel, they have to create a separate channel and pretty much start over if they want to do something different.

[@Shinde425]

People definitely complained that synchros were too ridiculous back when they were the main thing I feel like the one thing they could do, and this is highly complicated and probably impossible by now, but if they could create a format where full combos don’t put you so far ahead or so far behind that you’ll win or lose because it went unhindered. Idk. Perfect world I guess

[@Stellar77x]

Introduce new game mode: RNG decks vs RNG decks. Maybe like Arena from Hearthstone.

[@kingofgrim4761]

That’s known as almost all of yugioh, since RNG is part of every yugioh match, unless you make the deck size 6 cards

[@Lich_V.]

@@kingofgrim4761 I think he is regarding to a draft mode not to rng mechanics

[@maggiethechattyhound9580]

@@Lich_V.Draft mode irl tournaments wouod be awesome, but make sure everyone showers before they arrive and use deodorant.

[@fellowinternetstranger8700]

​@maggiethechattyhound9580 the smell test is already in place last time I checked

[@Ticketman99]

Nah. 500 life point duels.

[@KumiStellari]

My idea of the most fun format hasn't changed since I played it. I really enjoyed the game the most just before nekroz format, and even somewhat during format. The wide variety of decks you could play and still make it somewhere competitively made locals and regional so very fun. The big three were ba, shaddoll, and tellarknight, but the balance of the game at the time meant that even rogue decks were valid. If you were running a deck with a cohesive strategy, you could place in tourney. Games were back and forth (but not snail paced like beatstick format). Games tended to end when you grind your opponent out of resources, and were usually very close.

[@KumiStellari]

But I also understand the state of the game has changed, and I should just enjoy it as it is now, as best as I can.

[@blueping9278]

@@KumiStellari when you experienced those 10+ turn back and forth game, it is hard to enjoy the current state of the game. Back then, yu gi oh feeled like playing chess , you need to make decisions and always think for the long term ( having lethal in one turn was rare ). Now it is just memorizing combos and choke point. Once opponent combo off , you lose no matter if you're the smartest man alive.

[@fellowinternetstranger8700]

@@blueping9278 ahh yes the strategy of top decking pot of greed

[@Citizen_Nappa23]

​@@fellowinternetstranger8700 Pot of Greed was banned 20 years ago anyone who talks Abt classic Yu-Gi-Oh isn't talking Abt Yama lock Meta their talking Abt heart of Goat to early Edison. Actually know what your talking about.

[@fellowinternetstranger8700]

@@Citizen_Nappa23 pog is legal in goat my guy

[@hokagestorm]

Singular change in my opinion would be a limit on special summons per turn or limit number of extra deck monsters summonable per turn

[@Timeater]

No floodgates. Hard to summon omni-negates. Cheaper cards. Yeah, that.

[@paulieswalnut]

I can't wait til we get Chrono Summoning! That's gonna change everything!

[@drbigglesworth]

In forms of extra deck mechanics, I use synchro the least because I can't count.

[@Dogma7]

Domain format is like commander for yugioh, its super fun

[@megamaniak27]

Me every time my pet deck has not a place is the meta: "quit, not quit, noodles"

[@PokeTrainerTyson]

I hate to tell you buddy. As a person who is in multiple gaming communities. Not every gaming community thinks their game sucks lol

[@Sleepy0173]

The state of the game is like the "boiling frog". It starts pretty cold and raw but warms up slowly as the game gains identity and slowly gets faster, stronger, more consistent, and more complex. Eventually it reaches a pretty good temperature but if you keep going it goes past it. You eventually are near boiling point and the long time frogs inside have tried to adapt and not noticed things go past "fine". They wonder why new frogs find it hard or not appealing to jump into the pot when it's already bubbling up on scalding. Frogs that realize things are different inside might mention it and want to get the temperature back down, only to be told if you change it too much you might as well just go look for other pots or whatever because they clearly no longer like this pot. Yugioh being the pot here. If you can adjust parts of the pot to your liking (like custom or time wizard formats) and you have people to play with, and you feel you still like the game, please don't quit. I think nothing's wrong with liking other forms of the game. I understand changes are needed but at some point you could argue it is a very slow bait and switch compared to the version of the game that originally hooked you ("you" the reader of the post), so please don't let yourself be shamed by "boomer" labels or petitions to just adapt to a version that is more overbearing and hyperconsistent than it is fun.

[@sluggernott]

An idea to fix it is to completely cut off an era, or change the core rules of the game. Like what they did with the Master Rules to nerf Pendulums. The game was really on the brink during peak pend era. Then, they changed the rules and it created a sort of soft reset, or rollback of speed and power, to an extent. They may need to do the same yet again. Or, do something drastic, where they essentially "start over" with a brand new format, with a brand new massive release of cards, starting with moderate power levels (perhaps comparable to Edison format, due to its popularity). They say "Hey, you can play advanced, but the newest format is *insert name* and that will be the primary format where we will be giving our prizing, support and running our tournaments". It would be risky, but something they may do if numbers and sales do eventually decline.

[@alwaysalone8057]

Of all the yugioh cards to pick from these two grown men picked the cards with little loli girls on them... 💀 red flag red flag

[@SageTigerStar]

I stopped playing at locals around the time HAT was the rage, but saw my best enjoyment of the game around Shining Darkness and my Infernity Deck at full power. I do, to this day, keep up with news and some new cards just in case I ever want to play again (I have Runick Stun and Dogmatika Ritual decks, I actually did use the Runick deck and was banned from playing it against my friends ever since). For me, the "Good Ol' Days" is just any time I was able to sit down and play a game, enjoying the back and forth and it wasn't just a 1-2 turn game and actually being able to PLAY (less floodgates, people were able to make their bosses and you had answers in the form of something like Lightning Vortex, Bottomless, Compulse, etc not just negating every card they play before they have a chance to play it and heavy negates had drawbacks, like Light and Darkness Dragon, Rai-oh, or Doomcalibur Knight as an example). People bash older Yugioh for being slow or whatev, but just like our media in the current day, the fact that lots of people want that instant gratification of winning from your initial hand of 5 cards, which Konami is fully supportive of as long as they get their $$$, has gotten way too crazy imo.

[@joplin4434]

>enjoying the back and forth and it wasn't just a 1-2 turn game and actually being able to PLAY (less floodgates, people were able to make their bosses and you had answers in the form of something like Lightning Vortex, Bottomless, Compulse, etc not just negating every card they play before they have a chance to play it and heavy negates had drawbacks >Infernity Deck at full power people just say shit

[@SageTigerStar]

@@joplin4434 infernity at full power was still very stoppable, and there’s even the old MST Wins meme for the people who played infernity and set their monsters, scooping if they got MST’d. you’re right, people do just say shit.

[@joplin4434]

@@SageTigerStar you mean people exposed for cheating as if that is a bad thing. I played infernity at the time and well into the XYZ build, but at full power the play pattern was set 3 barriers and 1 break. No deck back then was going to survive 3 negates and a pop, it is the OG "you don't get to play the game" deck. At least X Sabers had the decency of needing 1 turn of setup before looping your hand

[@SageTigerStar]

@@joplin4434 If the deck was so unstoppable, makes me wonder why it was never officially labeled tier 0, cuz that's what you're acting like it was. there's no arguing it was strong, but it wasn't the handless god incarnate that cast doom upon the game the moment you put your deck on the table. Less than some, it was still fairly inconsistent at times and you'd have to scramble to get over a brick hand or hope your top-decks were feelin' spicy that day. I know some people have PTSD from it, but it wasn't close to tier 0 like decks today. You could still have some good back-and-forth's at the time. Either that or my locals was just more competent than yours at the time.

[@joplin4434]

It was not tier 0 because it was harder than XSaber to pilot, because there was an ftk at the time and because it could brick. But it was the prototypical deck that made mostly non games. You would either get 3 negates and a pop with enough gas to otk on the crack back LD doing nothing at all. If a deck needs to be tier 0 to be busted then I guess the dragon rulers and sprights were never a problem as they were never tier 0 But beyond all that, complaining about negates while praising infernity is just stupid. drytron hasn't done anything in years, but if herald.dek complained about omninegates I would laugh at them too

[@dodg3thestorm]

I'll keep saying it and I'm not gonna stop, the problem with yugioh isn't that it's a bad game. The problem is that the banlist is run by konami and that the game's future success is reliant on that banlist being run by konami. The game would improve if the fans could miraculously work out a banlist together but in practice that's also a really difficult thing to work on.

[@fellowinternetstranger8700]

Half of us have absolutely worse banlist takes then Konami. Sure they care about money but a community banlist would just be constant biggering between what pet decks to kill and which to buff.

[@dodg3thestorm]

@@fellowinternetstranger8700 that's kind of why I said miraculously. No one really agrees on what a banlist should look like, but my take is moreso on the fact that konami only takes bans into consideration if it's profitable for them, and that generally means ridiculous cards stay in the meta for a long time if they are new or extremely expensive.

[@fellowinternetstranger8700]

@dodg3thestorm sorry if I came of as harsh then. I do see where you are coming from

[@dodg3thestorm]

@@fellowinternetstranger8700 No worries! I probably could have made that a bit clearer in the original reply, sorry about that

[@Always.Smarter]

It's both. the game is bad and so are most of konami's decisions, including but not limited to the banlist.

[@erikklouda570]

"Social media hadn't advanced to the point"... social media barely existed at all XD maybe myspace was getting kinda big maybe

[@captainsunshine64]

Facebook has been around for 20 years

[@AceManRevived]

This lml​@@captainsunshine64

[@NotControlledByMillipedes]

Some people were born after myspace.

[@unamusedwaffle]

You should have Paul on the podcast!

[@ADukesJustice]

Heart of the Cast X Pod of Greed crossover would be sick

[@patc1096]

Personally what has me coming back time and time again is; being able to break a board with one or two cards, being able to combo off through interruptions, and being able to just play the game past turn zero (turn 1 on MD). I've been playing yugioh since 2004ish I was small I don't actively remember exactly when.

[@ZenGardenOzone]

I'm new to this game, I started playing Master Duel about a month ago and I'm Platinum 1. As a magic the gathering player for most of my life, I really enjoy Yugioh, I think the scariest thing for new people is just how much there is to learn about the game. It certainly took me a while, but man does this game have some fun deck tropes (Sky-Striker, SPYRAL). Maybe if I was playing TCG, it wouldn't be as fun but it's not bad in Master Duel.

[@frig7014]

There could easily be a banlist that returns the game to a format i liked. Kitkallos to 1, schieren havnis merrli to 2 😊

[@NotControlledByMillipedes]

Comprimise. Metamorphosis to 1, E Tele to 3, kit to 2 (it doesn't do shit at more than one copy) and merrli to 1. You get one daughter.

[@3xcalius]

I hated master rule 4 and i just stopped playing. I came back some time ago when i noticed they changes the rules for the extra deck summoning not needing Links. Some decks were too crippled with master rule 4

[@christophercollins4312]

There’s a META in every competitive game . The goal is to beat it if you don’t wanna join. Thats a direct challenge.

[@joerivera3212]

The 1 universal thing that can be added that everyone can enjoy is draft events and products tailored for them New players can get access to cards without the initial investment and also inserts another way to play and enjoy the game and the community

[@handlebar4520]

further proof we need to ban half the link monsters and all the tuner monsters to fix the game.

[@7thHourFilms]

As an Xyz fan, I second nuking Link and Synchro monsters.

[@handlebar4520]

@@7thHourFilms earth machine best deck🗿 ☕. Make chaos dyson sphere relevant again.

[@fellowinternetstranger8700]

​@@handlebar4520that would imply that it was ever relevant

[@johndexterzarate6663]

....Just remove big lore decks like albaz, visas, duel terminal, World chalice & S-force and you'll somewhat "fix" the game and probably remove many cards off the banlist.

[@handlebar4520]

@@johndexterzarate6663 what, how? The lore decks, for the most part, are the most interesting decks yugioh has to offer. (apart from duel terminal) they are the most effective methods konami has made to connect players to the cards through engaging non linear storytelling and, because a lot of thought goes into the story behind them, they have some of the most fleshed out and creative gameplans in the entire history of the franchise. Axing them would be like taking the soul out of yugioh. Because their a very distinct archetype almost none of their cards are generic, and aren't able to fit into the generic link slop end boards that other recent decks facilitate (looking at you pendulum/ snake eyes). How exactly are they problematic now? (except sanctifire that card needs to be banned unfortunately even though its cool). prognosis: 0/10 take, never cook again.

[@kintsuki99]

Un-nerf pendullum. It is literally the only mechanic that is stillaffected by links and if reverted would do nothing anyway.

[@SteffiVGC]

For me i am really happy with where i am atm with yugioh... dont play in person, only master duel and only when i feel like it No feeling of "i paid 100s of bucks so i need to play" because i play MD as f2p, yet it still allows me to play the decks i like whenever i do feel like playing

[@Ragnarok540]

Same here. MD is very F2P friendly, to the point I think you only really would have to spend money on it if you are a streamer who needs all the new cards immediately, or if you are a whale and want everything in royal rare.

[@froggggg643]

I quit paper Yu-Gi-Oh a long time ago, when Dark Armed Dragon got first released as a Secret Rare. I'm still happy about my decision.

[@LimakPan]

I put YGO on hold for Commander because you can play it with 3 or 4 players. That really hits different. Still play Ghostrick on Master Duel sometimes. I hope Rush comes out globally to recover my interest, or that we get a 1v1v1 format in ygo.

[@ControlShifty]

Even though i practically stopped playing yugioh due to every format seeming unfun to jump into and dealing with the meta decks' (ususally) toxic strategies.... i have to say what keeps me in touch with the community is the fun and goofy stuff that makes me love the game, Last Card Standing, Table 500, LVK's Sub Replays, Etc. I wish there was a bigger casual side that is easy to access, because casual mode in MD is only used for deck testing for ranked from what i experienced

[@thepieguyinthesky2363]

I'm probably gonna take a long break from Yugioh once the next big set of Magic comes out (or if it fucks the game up too bad It'll be the opposite)

[@DotonDomu]

The format that I enjoy the most is playing master saga with my 2 friends. Withouth that I would probably not play Yu-Gi-Oh anymore. So thank you guys for that ❤.

[@GunnerRTCGPKMN]

Fun yugioh is when the meta game is affordable and not short printed and when power scaling doesn’t happen every set. I quit the game while playing on a competive level because I felt you have to pay a car payment worth to make your deck decent enough to have success at a regional or higher event and that might’ve been more worth it if the experience was better.

[@elin111]

The argument that should you need to make your own fun your own game with Yugioh then it is a problem is very telling when the most popular yugioh content is NOT playing constructed.

[@vonakakkola]

about the community part, i'm glad that in my local there are a lot of people that play tcg pokemon, so i would still remain in a physical community even if i quit Yu Gi Oh

[@faereman]

I don't really get the "everyone hates their game" mentality. If I like a game, I keep playing. If I don't, I stop. Simple as that.

[@Always.Smarter]

farfa is just projecting and coping because he is stuck playing a shit game as his career.

[@davincameron7627]

Print all cards in common rarity. (Edit): This is a double whammy because a). it incentivizes people to buy packs and b). It also makes it less expensive for people to play while not hitting collectors at all.

[@ITSJUSTMEFORNOW]

I just got tired of investing into a deck, and then it getting waxed on a banlist. Switched to pokemon, but i still like to keep up with the meta and what my favorite youtubers are doin

[@LunaphaseLasersOfficial]

My cope is optimizing the shit out of toxic meme decks and taking them to comp. Something like empty jar with runick and staples, or a really aggressive dogmatika stun setup. It's not going to pull through as well as a top dollar meta deck, but no matter how unfun you consider the current meta, you can 100% build a deck that's even less fun to play against. There's a ton of arguments to be made about this practice and it's impact on the health of the game, but I've become kinda jaded to it. If prioritizing winning over fun is accepted, I feel just as validated prioritizing the hardship of my opponent over fun.

[@tactix9843]

DOMAIN MENTION! I love this format!

[@satyayana1399]

yugioh player theme for the past few years is various but the goal in their vein just same which is 'oppression', in which they play to make sure the other couldnt

[@v-trigger6670]

I can somehow relate to this video. I quit TCG for financial reason, I'm not a competitv player, I just like to play decks I like, but guess what, if the deck I like at the moment is 800$, it is just not worth. My solution was simple.... Master Duel or online simulator. Any of my friends aren't into YGO, i'm losing anything

[@TwilightMistress]

Just go with ocg print policy, the big part of the fanbase can't play the game. I'm sure this will help a lot more than anything else

[@erieldelgado5319]

Tearlament format was the call for me to hang the gloves after playing since 2002. I still like to watch matches and tournaments, I keep up with the new sets but it’s all good.

[@spicymemes7458]

Breaks are ok, but quitting is easier said than done. You step away for a few months or a year, and there have been so many products, list changes, events that influence said lists and products, that it makes the notion of picking up where you left off an impossibility. They inundate you constantly with product that it almost punishes you for leaving and catching up.

[@dingding12321]

Yugioh could be a lot more enjoyable than it is. Currently they just print flashy stuff that make you look important when you slap it on the table. There's more to both life and card games than that lol

[@E-LVN]

Yes, its true, take a break, i left when tear Was Tier 0 and came back for melodious and its gorgeous

[@matlegend165]

i just wanna see better and more modern support for older archetypes so stuff we love can be more playable in the modern game and maybe more options for formats to play so that in such a diverse game each player can play somewhere where the entire meta doesnt hard counter stuff that would otherwise be fun

[@ReinatakaharaVT]

I did switched to magic and have been happy since . I play commander decks can be made cheaply the flow is better and there is no meta . My entire play group switched and we have no plans on coming back . Built a commander deck for 60 bucks 100 cards . You can buy a ready to play deck for 40 and they are well balanced and can actually do well. Commander ban list 40 cards thats it simple .

[@Miir]

Bro you totally hit it on quitting meaning I lose my network of friends....

[@OniCappa]

Yugioh? What's that Isn't it called Negate simulator?

[@mechamedeamigo3984]

Yugioh has two main problem. The first is that old players are always in thar state described in the video, and the second is that we receive no new players, like at all. The first problem could be fixed by an actually good banlist, the second could be fixed by Konami beign more communicative, by changing their game design directions (because this game is insanely fuckin hard to learn today), and making the game feel more welcoming. All lf that i described was based on Pokemon, that is probably the biggest card game in the world right now (and have consistently being for quite a long time now).

[@danishdude2191]

I think one of the quick fixes could be banning all easy to summon monsters with negations, especially hand traps and omni negates. Losing a game is already not fun for most people, but watching your opponent play with his deck for himself, for 10 minutes and often more, just to end up with you not being able to play at all. That is not just a loss, it is a complete waste of time you and the game is not really a two man game anymore, its a singleplayer game with a spectator. And I think, that is the biggest problem with Yugioh. Because it ends up being a two man solitare, where 1 person plays the game and have fun, while the other person just watches/sleeps/goes out for lunch, and sees he cant do anything, when his/her turn finally comes around. Monsters with strong protections like Ultimate Falcon can be beaten over by monsters with higher ATK points and annoying trap cards like Skill Drain can be destroyed or banished by spell/Trap card effects. But hand traps and omni negates can be almost impossible to play around, when your opponent have 6-7 of them each turn. I actually don't think people would hate Skill Drain so much, if they could just use their MST, Twin twister or Harpies Duster to destroy it, (it would properbly still be annoying as fuck, but at least less annoying, when you get the chance to actually do something about it). But when its there and you cant do anything, then it gets truly annoying. I can still laugh when I lose to getting my entire field destroyed by Raigeki, Dark Hole or Mirror Force, because I at least got a turn and the chance to try and do something. It backfired... Horribly and I lost the game big time, but at least I played. And thats kinda my point, that if everything you try to do as the second player gets negated by monsters on the field, or a Ash Blossoms from the hand, before you even get a chance to get into the game at all, the game just not fun to "play". I don't think all negations or hand traps should be completely removed from the game, do not mistake me here. But I think they should be limited to only be on trap cards, because they are slower, they are meant to be "TRAPS" and they can be either destroyed, banished, returned to the hand or deck by other effects (I know you can activate some of them in response, like the Solemns to the effect, but you still lose the card most of times, if you do so). And maybe negations could also be on some really hard to summon boss monsters like Shooting Quasar Dragon, that you cant really use and fit into all decks. Like you can with Baronne De Fleur or Borreload Savage Dragon. And hand traps like Nibiru The Primal Being, Battlefader or Juragedo, that either slows down your opponent or boosts or protects yourself or your monsters, are also fine in my book. It both slows the game down and it gives both players a chance to play. And that is what I truly think, that Yugioh needs right now, especially if Konami wants new players to get into the game and stay :)

[@joshuaxiong8377]

the only thing that really frustrated me was how poorly they implemented master rule 4 for budget/casual play and older decks. it also baffles me that, if i recall correctly, that was the era that previous players started to come back after leaving during xyz or pendulum? i don't understand that at all.

[@xan-s6s]

The playground meta was the kid with the richest parents

[@naxmaxJK]

I'm gonna ask this and see how people feel about it, what if there was a new rule that archetypes could no longer be splashed into anything besides it's self, like there's still generic stuff but if it has an archetype in it's name it can only be used with it's own stuff.

[@Earthbound524]

One of my major issues i hate how the game developed is the amount of engine cards, either a single card to make a archetype have a combo and how Konami keeps on making newer archetypes that are design to be made as an engine. Like I want to play pure earthbound but everyone is telling me to just go with Runick and maybe the upcoming fiendsmith as an engine to make earthbound better. Sure i wont disagree with it but I want to make the immortals work and have some flexibility on how to build it.

[@stubbornpotatogaming6220]

Synchros are a breath of fresh air, we treated them like egyptian god cards before, special cards aside from fusion cards.

[@patrickmaloney5818]

It's annoying that every modern deck is 12 cards of 1card combo recycling engine and 28 generic handtraps / floodgates. It also feels like almost every single deck's primary objective is not letting you play the game. There's almost 0 interaction allowed. I went to locals for the first time ever to have fun a couple months ago and was rewarded by getting Calamity locked during 2 different match sets. Never going back again.

[@fellowinternetstranger8700]

The not letting your opponent playing the game was absolutely the objective since the beginning. Exodia FTKS in very early OCG, summoned skull trying to prevent you from getting tribute off the ground, yata lock, thousand eye restrict and many others

[@Ticketman99]

@@fellowinternetstranger8700 Was EVERYBODY AND THEIR MOTHER doing that?

[@fellowinternetstranger8700]

@@Ticketman99 Competitively wise? Yes or close to

[@Ticketman99]

@@fellowinternetstranger8700 Was EVERYBODY AND THEIR MOTHER competitive players?

[@fellowinternetstranger8700]

@Ticketman99 if we're talking about local scenes and such yes. Playground didn't have this kind od stuff, just find some friends and play at what powerlevel you enjoy

[@ThetrueKidGoku]

When are you inviting Paul or the whole Team APS to the podcast

[@phorchybug3286]

I just play casual. I can't find tornaments in my nothing little town. All i got is the video games and the occasional friend that kind of understands me.

[@cadasshada9732]

Tbh ive invested too much to really quit...and now im facing financial issues to where i cant invest like i used to so sadly falling out...

[@garaktartv3647]

I just quit, but let me tell you. Dont quit thinking other TCGs are inherently better than others. I quit yugioh for MTG and MTG has a whole other lot of problems and cans of worms to unpack since WOTC is pretty stingy and their business decisions are atrocious so not enterily unlike Scamnami.

[@gch310]

Every card game has absolutely meta decks even before the internet. Pokemon in the 90s had haymakers. it wasn’t a complex strategy but it was meta

[@AbysmalRandomn3ss]

As a new player (4 months) with no nostalgia glasses for this game, I hate synchros

[@Citizen_Nappa23]

You hate Synchros in general or do you hate broken generic scynchros? The mechanic itself is fine but there is fair share of degenerate boss synchros.

[@AbysmalRandomn3ss]

@@Citizen_Nappa23 I understand that the way you summon them, and their costs are balanced. But I hate the fact that you can summon 6 of them, and if you don’t have an answer for it then you’re losing the game if you’re going second.

[@deadjokerz7445]

i quit yugioh after orcust. My peak was at MasterPeace Dracoslalayer era. It was a great decision, i didn't have too see or deal with these chinese/ weebs/ heavy theme deck

[@commentstealer4460]

Some players don't have fun if they don't play competetive Yugioh needs new rules . Like special summon limit for example where players can only special summon 3 times each turn . Tired of waiting 10 whole minutes for my opponent to finish his turn .

[@SeaHorseOfYoutube]

5:03 Anime-retelling Video Game with GOAT format to get Twitch audience, Tournament supported GOAT sets and format for paper and Master Duel. Once Konami finally gets the Anime-Only andies into the game, release sets to get it to Edison+Extra Cards. This can be repeated ad infinitum, once the game gets too complex just reset back to GOAT (or name it classic set like Hearthstone) and release more sets with old and new cards.

[@level3xfactor]

Honestly, if the game became affordable I wouldn’t even care about all the other flaws. I just want to play and I can’t.

[@saul6318]

Time limit, like chess. Have the clocks 🕰️ you want to combo and play your turn forever you run out of sand and loss time loss

[@rainbowdom4748]

trinity is probably the best format out there for people who hate modern yugioh but still make use of the new cards. 3 summons per turn, consistency limitations and healthy banlist

[@jm0112]

I took a break just before the Link era and didn't come back until master rule 5. Sometimes you just need to take time a play other things.