Pro Yugioh Players Are Quitting The Game Over Yugioh's TRASH PRIZE SUPPORT

[@Slayerthecrow]

Konami: no more custom mats and sleeves. Players: fine, no more trash prizes then.

[@Maikdrop]

At least all the creeps need to leave their waifus at home is a good thing :D

[@MitternachtssternXIII]

​@@Maikdropwoke Clown?

[@AhidoMikaro]

@@Maikdrop Mental case

[@francisharkins]

​@Maikdrop Those ones are creepy I can understand the NSFW mats being banned still, but banning ALL custom accessories seems like they want to control the market more rather than solving the issue with the few degenerates. Cause I know alot of people who like the custom mats for QoL zone placement, the fact its not a crappy mat that can rip or is a crumpled up mess that never sits flat, etc. I'll miss using my mat with Ghoti of The Deep Beyond on it as well as my Buster Blader one. At least if I ever go to a tourney over locals lol 😅

[@michaelzephyros7725]

I understand banning the NSFW playmats/accessories but why can't I use my custom playmat of dark world Grapha fusion.

[@STEPHxCA]

Konami may as well have a “I topped YCS and all I got was this shirt” tee as a prize

[@MrVariant]

Lol that made my day, thanks 😂. Even a lost art full collection could help.

[@joshwest9373]

Shhh don't give them even more cheap ideas.

[@peng1luver259]

I would want that shirt as a gag

[@maxstrike3022]

Id respect them for that😂

[@Kirk-36Moshpit]

That'd be kind of amazing as prize support, actually

[@fateric007]

Players are just now noticing prize support has been trash for years now?

[@SwagMaster824]

Fr like what the fuck took them so long.. Konami been giving out that same dusty ass Nintendo switch for the last 5 years 💀

[@ProtossTempest]

First it was in respect of Takahashi's apparent wishes for a not-for-pure-profit game. Also because prize cards could either be sold well, or be used to flex on all the peons in later tournaments, as well as game being comparatively healthier. Now though, Takahashi is dead, the game is too evolved that its own progress has become a cancer, and the prize cards suck.

[@animegx45]

The copium isn't strong enough anymore that they're getting back to reality.

[@lpfan4491]

@@ProtossTempest Of course they only respect Takahashi when it helps them save cash, classic corperate behavior. And of course, if it really was demanded by him, that's a rare Takahashi L. Everyone knows people want bigger prices for the effort of winning high end competition, it's literally part of his story. A secondary or even tertiary part, but still a part.

[@kashira-0]

@@ProtossTempest If Takahashi didn't want the game to be for profit, maybe he should've told Konami not to make decks cost hundreds of dollars. Seems rather convenient that players paying a ton of money buying competitive decks and traveling to tournaments is whatever, but Konami rewarding them for their efforts is suddenly something that taints the love of the game.

[@Cqlr-q4l]

Konami treats their costumers like if they were giving us the privilege of letting us play their game

[@telepathicdragon]

Technically they are, but it's similar to how Nintendo saw streamers and let's plays as basically revenue shrink because they thought it was intellectual property distribution not looking at the change in the overall landscape of the gaming industry at the time. The only thing that will wake these companies up is massive backlash as that's the only thing they understand.

[@theshinydisciple3228]

But it is a privilege and you should be honor big papa konami graces us with what they give. Be grateful.

[@MsMvsS]

The funny irony is that this isn't exvlusive to yugioh, but konami as a company in general

[@peacechan4500]

Welcome to how Japanese tcg works. Nowadays if you keep doing this your game will be dead.

[@siphemanana2551]

@@peacechan4500 Wait? That's how Japanese TCGs work?!

[@RogueHero]

All ima say is finally people putting their foot down. I've been calling for a yugioh boycott for a while

[@tduavonline2821]

Never thought I would but Rarity 2 sealed the deal. I immediately went out and bought a nice MTG deck, something I never thought I would do

[@goat7651]

Yugioh rigged

[@lukecwolf]

@Tduov funny, mh3 was the breaking point for me in mtg. The other bs like laying off employees during xmas and the pinkertons 2023 and 30th anniversary proxy sale thinned me, but mh3's push and the commander product was the straw that broke the Camels back

[@jayholliday4209]

@@lukecwolfI’m new to magic. So I want to understand your frustration with modern horizons. Can you go into detail?

[@xIElianIx]

@@jayholliday4209 this shit comes from quite a few years, with the introduction of modern horizons 1, wich had OP cards that went unbanned for like a good chunk of that year, creating a tier 0 meta with hogaak arisen necropolis, then came modern horizons 2, which features a cycle of cards that can be played for free if u pitch a card from your hand, free spells used to be a non-go but with the powercreep the format has received a player cannot compete without those broken by design cards, also their price is just stupidly high, i guess TCG games are in a weird spot right now, as for magic and yugi, it seems like powercreep is the way to go, get a deck today ,tomorrow you will have to invest again because it wont be that competitive or it just gets banned

[@JojosASMR]

It'd be so easy for Konami to fix this too. Imagine if for example they made a special "YCS" rarity. Top 32 gets a "YCS" rarity Ash Blossom or smth. That card would instatnly be worth tons. I just don't get why they don't even try.

[@ThesKeLeKRoN]

*Cough cough* full arts would be an insane prize

[@SketchingHands]

Flesh and Blood does exactly this. It’s called a Gold Foil and they got for thousands easy.

[@hawkticus_duel_shack]

Its funny cuz Giant cards go for hundreds of dollars as is, so doing something like that, or the old steel cards the OCG had at that one tournament would be the way to go.

[@MewtwoStruckBack]

I think if they're going to do promo only, they need to bump it up one level. You can do Top 32, Top 16, Top 8 get various cards that are only printed for YCS...but the champion? Oh we can go so much further. Imagine, if you will, you have your newly crowned YCS champ...and they're handed a special foil Pot of Greed, with the following text: "Draw 2 cards. This card is exempt from being Forbidden. You may only have one YCS Champion Exempt card in your deck." Go back to the days of Crush Card Virus being worth thousands because a player who won a championship and owned this card HAD A LEGITIMATE COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGE over someone who didn't - or said champion could choose to surrender that advantage for a massive payday. SJC exempt Charity. SJC exempt Red Reboot. SJC Exempt True King of All Calamities. THAT'S how you get players paid without directly handing over cash.

[@lukecwolf]

The thing that hurts is that they used to do this with special championship cards in the 2000s and 2010s! They were valuable af

[@JuwanBuchanan]

Have we finally reached that breaking point where the playerbase is fed up with the current garbage state of the game? The game is in a terrible state in Europe. Even Yugitubers are complaining. Hopefully Pandora’s Box has been open by these growing issues of the game that Konami is refusing to address.

[@buckbreaker5185]

no they only care about being given toys

[@Bob_Bob_B0b]

Edison 2010 format is the way to go. Super popular and they are doing them at ycs events. Just fusions and early syncros with back and forth game play.

[@skylarhoekstra9066]

dropped after they printed SP knight and went to one piece, then snake eye was a thing and wow im glad i switched

[@legendarylancers7446]

​@@Bob_Bob_B0b New summoning techniques isn't the issue the issue is there's not enough balance to make not going first or having hand traps to counter your opponent basically resulting in you losing

[@Bob_Bob_B0b]

@@legendarylancers7446 true, but it does contribute to the huge power creep.

[@ChazBlanks]

Honestly, Rogue Hero, MSK YGO Pasiano and I been saying this for years. I would tear the prize support structure down and start all over. The prizing support doesn't even need to be cash, make it new artwork of meta staples in Starlight Rare. I rather have that. Also give away playmats if you want to start banning away custom items.

[@omegaXjammur]

It really says a lot when ranking in the top 32 of Pokemon TCG worlds nets you $5000

[@telepathicdragon]

sounds better than winning a ycs LMAO

[@rathalos28able]

Just winning a regional you get 10k which is basically like a ycs

[@maxstrike3022]

Dropping out in pokemon finals > winning 5 YCS in a row

[@DriftKingfromTekken3]

you mean the card game owned by the biggest IP on the planet?

[@omegaXjammur]

@@DriftKingfromTekken3 yeah, but even a comparatively smaller IP like MTG gives you $2000 for top 32

[@Linkophere]

Imagine if a CEO would have a pay cut to support the company they lead. Imagine that.

[@SkumleBones]

To be honest im surprised this wasn't an issue with anyone for years.....I never saw the incentive to try that hard over mid prizes, the time spent practicing, driving/traveling to events, spending money on the top end decks. Just to win what? Why now people having an issue about it now is weird, but eh.

[@RogueHero]

People finally grew up. Us veterans been calling for better prizing for years.

[@jtalkalot19]

​@@RogueHero ìt was never gonna happen unless Konami went behind Takahashi's back

[@RogueHero]

@@jtalkalot19 they should have bought him out, no excuses

[@spicymemes7458]

People have always had issues with this, but those kids grew up to be adults and this game that was the world to them now is on the block due to cost of living and inflation issues. It might have been cool to win a mat or a Switch when you were a kid, but as an adult, it's embarassing.

[@RogueHero]

@@spicymemes7458 man tell me about it , it's embarrassing telling people what I would get if I won an event. I just always say it's stuff I can sell.

[@captainkeller2792]

Compared to other games, the price support is really ass. One piece top 8 is like 12-15k. Even Fusion World makes you much and the first events had like 300 players. What some exclusive top player promos can do.

[@four-en-tee]

Before I hear people say "it isn't what Kazuki Takahashi would've wanted", i'm pretty sure he wouldn't want us being barred of using custom mats and sleeves either. Konami brought it on themselves this time. Coupled with the awful pull rates from products, the lack of events in Europe, and their failure to address tier 0 formats in a timely manner, this playmat/sleeve issue was just the straw that broke the camel's back. Regardless of whether Konami fixes their prizing or not, its understandable why people are pissed. This company is actively sabotaging their game and the community that plays it. Part of why I got into Yugioh was to get away from the sorta shit that Nintendo was pulling in the Smash Bros scene. That and to avoid developing carpel tunnel. Granted, I was also a Metal Gear fan way before I got into Yugioh. The only reason I got hooked despite my destain towards Konami as a company is because this game is just that good. I pretty much dropped Smash entirely and sunk hundreds of hours into this game in the last 3 years. So it really disheartens me when this company treats its playerbase as nothing more than walking talking dollar signs. Beyond just providing winners better prizes at events, Konami needs to be doing more to make the competitive game cheaper (ie: this game needs to develop a stronger collector's market to offset the loss in profits in the competitive sphere). Konami also needs to do what the Pokemon company is doing and really tap into this game's wide bredth of stories. Like, we have hundreds of archetypes with their own self contained themes and lore and shit, and all Konami has done is make a short video and a manga that only covers a single archetype at a time. Oh boy, I can't wait to have to wait another year to see if they'll adapt the Live Twins this time- nope, they're doing Witchcrafter now... I commented this already on Paul's "hot takes" video, but give me a Konosuba type anime set in the Labrynth lore, and give me a turn based strategy game set in the Duel Terminal lore. Hell, give me a Yugioh fighting game where I can just rock everyone's shit with Zoodiac Drident. Could you imagine a MVC3 style 2D fighting game that has a mechanic that gives you ways to negate or disrupt combo strings, and the only way to perform true combos is to chain block or set up floodgates or some shit? And thats not even considering how a game like that would translate over stuff like Kashtira's zone locking or Unchained's quick effect link summons. Like, there's so much that Konami could be doing with their franchise that they just aren't, even though they have the means to do so. Its just sad.

[@yaboimorrissey5273]

That fighting game idea goes so hard.

[@RavenCloak13]

This series is infinite IP generation machine and they don't use it. They fucked up using this IP because they wanted to do pachinko, close down their games division but couldn't during Corona Lockdowns. Like Jesus, how the fuck don't we have plushies for Purrly or something that you could sell for casuals or non-players as well like Pokemon? This is just mismanagement for an IP which is insane.

[@theodorejenkins6066]

Konami is literally run by a bunch of greedy old men from a bygone era who have no idea how to remain relevant in today's market. They make more money with their pachinko machines (gambling) because making money off gambling addicts is easy as pie. But what they don't realize is if they actually put the time and energy into making yugioh a more established world like you described, they could be almost as big as pokemon by now. The amount of money theyre just leaving on the table is just crazy. Its very sad that they have no vision and will die as a company when the older people they're making money off by abusing their gambling addictions die off as a generation they're company will be over. Unless they diversify.

[@ARC--5973]

Im in favor of custom card treatments as prizing. An exclusive rarity, with a new art of a competitive card. Hell, as another commenter said, full arts would be insane

[@siphemanana2551]

@@theodorejenkins6066 once the greedy old men are gone. Hopefully, the new generation would pick up the pieces and fix these problems

[@mrharvy100]

Meanwhile Pegasus the literal 1st major arc villian of Yu-Gi-oh still had the grace to give a giant cash prize for winning his big tournament

[@winter2888]

Was about to comment that!

[@Elost231]

one card in your deck can cost as much as a nintendo switch

[@jeanpitre5789]

One card in the top meta deck DOES cost as much as a Nintendo switch

[@Efgand0894]

And I rather have a switch than expensive cardboard

[@Omegalizard2013]

I agree.

[@TheDragonfriday]

One card? You mean several plus you probably need 3 each

[@jeanpitre5789]

@TheDragonfriday yes but he's saying an individual copy can cost as much as a switch.

[@O6i]

If they cant put up at least 10k for a ycs win somethings wrong. They make 200 million dollars annually off yugioh. Regional top 8 should get cash prize with winner getting 10k and ycs winner should be 50k. If a deck costs 1000$ (snake eyes) you need some incentive to buy them. Especially in a game that bans and powercreeps decks.

[@JuwanBuchanan]

This is Konami we’re talking about. They don’t give a crap about Metal Gear or Castlevania. If players complain too much they’ll just end the Yugioh TCG. Konami is that scummy

[@michaelkeha]

​@@JuwanBuchanangood then maybe the comp players will have finally learned they brought the terrible state of the game on themselves

[@devilslayer3548]

That the pro players issue and they are not entitled to anything

[@AverageInternetCitizen]

There's nothing "wrong" Konami is simply using the late creator's wish to keep the game played for passion and not money to avoid ever having to fork over more money than they have to

[@anothercomposer7118]

Just a $500 - $1000 pot prize for first place is a good starting point for Komoney. It's not much from their perspective, but it'll mean a lot to players and then from there, such a simple move will make the game's player base increase tenfold. Allowing them to sell more cards, gaining their lost cash back from tournament sponsorship and then some. Then, when enough revenue is made, they could up it to $1500 or more. Making even more players turn their head due to Yu-Gi-Oh's gameplay. Also it gives a genuine top player the opportunity to literally call themselves an actual irl "Pro Duelist".

[@fede3j]

The fun thing is that even with 1000$ you are still neg if you bought a snake eyes deck

[@anothercomposer7118]

​@@fede3j Still, you have to agree that even then, you're still seeing some sort of turn on your investment. That could be more than enough for some.

[@SwagMaster824]

@@fede3jehhh not any more really, at first yes but snake eye card prices have dropped significantly unless you’re running max rarity, which most aren’t.

[@Geo-ok1nw]

@@fede3jlol your such a casual

[@ExeErdna]

Konami makes more off Pachinko they do not really care about YGO support. AT this point the banlist is pointless if they're not gonna take the tournament scene seriously.

[@captncoolio8938]

I participated in the Lorcana Challenge in ATL and I don’t know if anyone else has stated yet but the Cindy and rapunzel shown where the non foil versions you got from the prize wall for doing side events. Each top cut promo had a special foiling you could only get from competing. And the Mickey - BLT is a special all gold/textured and serialized promo. So if the let it go is going for $2k then imagine the higher tops promos. First place also received a full foil set, including enchanted rarities, of set 3.

[@AGrahamKracker]

Was about to also comment on this.

[@beardedcat9744]

So much better prizing than Ygo and probably OP tbh

[@albuuu573]

i think the difference for lorcana prices is due to also having disney adult collectors, people who are willing to spend the big bucks on going to the parks as regularly as posible

[@SketchingHands]

I love Yugioh but the prizing was been trash for over a decade. Flesh and Blood has a freaking Pro-Tour and it’s only a 5yr old game. Yugi, a shit prize card and a trophy. Fab gives the World Champ 100k. Can’t name a single Yugi World Champ since it doesn’t really affect anything.

[@twis8653]

Literally my locals that I won 1st in has better prizing than these ycs's. 18 packs for first in a 4 round tournament. Where these tournaments get 24 packs for tons more people? Actually smh.

[@revanmega15]

Konami can follow suite and create Alternate arts of classics cards like iconic cards from the anime and give them a special rarity like "Champion Rarity" for 1st place. 2nd-4th can get the same art work maybe in Starlight Rare. 8-32 get the same card but maybe a similar rarity like QSCR. The big one is to not reprint these special art work cards which will make them one of a kind. The playmats they give out can be cloth instead of rubber for maybe top 16 or 32 and make them exclusive for attending that specific event. Doing this follow Takahashi wish and stays away from "cash prizes"

[@soukenmarufwt5224]

Let's be real. This won't change much if at all. Konami doesn't care about it's player base. They'll pretend to care then go back to their usual ways. Its a cycle. Complain, they pretend to care, buy out expensive card board, repeat cycle.

[@kuroginava8498]

Agree complaining never got us anything from Konami, and if words don't reach it needs actions to state your point.

[@neilperrin6409]

@@kuroginava8498 That won't work either - Konami is literally so stupid, short-sighted, and greedy to its fucking core with ZERO principles. If people boycott the game and explicitly state the reason is due to poor prizing (they won't), Konami will not correct it - they will end the card game.

[@ultimateyagerman]

​@@neilperrin6409 time to end the card game then

[@jyounochi]

1. while players still go to YCSs at 1500-2000 seats, nothing will change, 2.Konami knows te huge fanbase Yugioh has, so there is no need to give more as the sales and assistance at events remain the same 3. Locana, One piece, Pokemon give alot more of prizing just to compete with what is yugioh Thats it, Offer and demand, marketing, nothing else, its our own fault because we love and consume yugioh without an issue, even after we complain

[@easyygo3008]

"compete with ygo" Do you know that pokemon is the top selling TCG in the world? And the gap vs the second (MTG in the rest of the world and YGO in Japan) is quite large. Pokemon did give money away as a form to close out the breach between packs sold and players in events, not to compete with ygo: they are the market leader. They now have 2000+ players event reliably and won't be lomg until. 3000 is the norm (NAIC is 3200 and it was capped).

[@lacanidjion]

Konami is the Disney of TCG. Price hikes and poor attraction factor for player retention.

[@spicymemes7458]

Ironically, Lorcana is doing well and that's Disney TCG lol

[@kish45]

I thought Magic was the Disney of tcg while Yugioh is Warner or Crunchyroll.

[@NJBization]

Yet, konami developed and publish disney sports on the Nintendo platform back in 2002.

[@TheJordanRuff]

The Top 64 and Top 32 Prize cards are alternate Foiled versions of the cards. The copies you listed are the commons versions of the alternate art you can win from the prize wall. The Stoneheart is about $2000 and Repunzel $3000-4000 The Mickey is a gold foil variant that is serialised to 500 copies. The one you showed is the D23 version you got for purchasing a card set during the Disney 2023 conference. The Gold Mickey is $20,000+

[@silverdeathgamer2907]

They are listed for that much or they have sold for that much?

[@TMGMC]

@@silverdeathgamer2907 Currently there has been vendors offering $35,000 on the golden mickey due to having buyers for 45-50k Currently no confirmed sales as most of the current top 8 players are holding them for the highest bidder and probably are being sold privately

[@turtle-bot3049]

The prizing has gotten worse too, i remember years ago, the mat + packs was literally the entry prize for a ycs (i still have a few of my mats), nowadays it's the prize for doing well and it's just complete garbage. Needs a complete rebuild from the ground up. 1. Event cards given out as entry prizes (e.g. a super rare staple such as ash blossom with YCS-X as its set number). 2. Alternate art staples for top 64 or 128 in say collector rare. 3. Alternate art staples for top 16 in starlight rare. 4. Alternate art staples for top 4 in a unique ycs rarity. 5. 1st place gets a complete play set of the unique ycs rarity staple, but its also a full art and these cards have a watermark (like the 25th qcrs have) of YCS-CHAMPION. If its a staple like ash, imperm, talents, apo, IP, SP, accesscode, etc they would sell for thousands upon thousands, just like the prize cards from other games do making it worth it to put the time effort and money into going to a big event to actually compete. Regionals could do points 2&3 where top 8 gets the alt art collector rare, 1st gets the alt art starlight but the set name is REG-X to differentiate it from the ycs versions, or have different but still desireable staples for regionals to ycs's. There's so much more they could do, but something like this would cost barely anything to implement and would greatly improve the prizing in this game.

[@LorcanaPandemonium]

I was a dedicated Yugioh player. I got top-32 at a YCS. I didn't top nats, but I made Day 2, almost beating Pak in Round 11, and winning plenty of locals and a case tourneys, and winning a regional December 31. For winning a regional with 65-ish players, I got a mat at a deck box I could maybe get $200 for if I really tried. I started playing Lorcana more. I won a Lorcana 1k, something Yugioh would not allow an OTS to do, and won $300, which I realized was more than any singular Yugioh prize I won bar insane pull luck. The tourney had about 30 people. Then we had the store championship circuit, where top-4 each got a Promo card...now valued at about $650 USD. I made about $4000 CAD in the 10 days, playing in 10 tourneys ranging from 10 to 30 people. If by some miracle I top the Lorcana Challenge I'm going to, I'm not going home with a $200 mat; I'm at least going home with a promo worth at least $1000. Yugioh prizing is a joke. But it's not hard to fix. At minimum, all they need to do is give out real promo cards people would actually give a shit about, and give more/better opportunities to get them. Less mats, more cool cards that have better collectability. Also FYI your valuations were off on some of the promos. Side events you could get a regular Cindy/Rapunzel, for topping you got the upgraded foil version that go from more. And I believe the Golden Mickeys are at least 5 digits right now.

[@brianhinojosa5573]

Until the attendance lower significantly they won’t change anything.

[@LacaYGO]

Total attendance at european YCS's is 0 this year and it was not even the players choice😂

[@Big1nz]

Us players need to stop supporting Konami. Their treatment of the player base is straight abusive

[@russelshacklefort5023]

Konami has been ran like absolute trash for over 12 years. But all the yugioh peeps were not worryung because their hobby was still being supported. This has been a slow grinding effort to test how much slop yugioh players were willing to shovel until they said enough. The funny thing is that prize has been trash for almost as long. Which other games are doing exclusive stamped promos and things with resell value konami are digging out their old packs and the same crappy mats they've had since 2019.

[@missingnovgc]

Some former players of my favorite now dead tcg, Kaijudo, said our prize support for that game was too good. And they were right. Some of our prizes for winning included custom engraved ipads, embroidered messager bag, boxes, got to help design future cards for the game, paid flights for the Championships and more.

[@ethanjohnson2849]

Kaijudo will come back one day it happened before!!!

[@mystery8820]

@@ethanjohnson2849 We need Duel Masters back here with ACTUAL support from a company that WANTS it to succeed.

[@missingnovgc]

We actually just wrapped up a tournament on the Kaijudo Discord earlier today. We still keeping it as alive as we can

[@mystery8820]

@@missingnovgc I never had a proper Kaijudo game in its lifecycle until it fell off. Thanks for keeping it active all this time.

[@sharkpyro93]

isn't kaijudo the rebranded duel masters? i heard that duel masters is still going strong in japan, thats too bad the game was good

[@Anonymality]

Ive heard yugiohs creator didnt want the game to be about money, and being the best was just about being the best. But man, to put so much money and time into the game, it really sucks thats theres no worthwhile reason to be a competitive yugioh player.

[@PokeMills]

I’ve been saying this for over a decade, I’m surprised Yugioh players are still putting up with such pitiful prize support

[@theEnigma2468]

Ngl this is why the tcg is not attractive to play or to switch to from card simulators. Cards cost too much, playing in tournaments is not attractive, the time spend in playing tcg feels completly wasted this way and its not like Konami doesnt have money to up the prizes either. But they will only understand when the rest quits as well.

[@ecxstatic8155]

people who did quit 10 years ago knew that the game was a scam in first place, stop being suckers for a corrupt company.

[@TheGaboGuerena]

Lorcana Challenge top 8 card is worth $55K Yugioh YCS 1st place card is worth $1K You don't need to give cash prizes

[@kevinlee5753]

I like how Yu-Gi-Oh players just go to another TCG and immediately dominate

[@idbw1274]

Not surprising. I play digimon and yugioh so I notice that the player base for the newer games are not as skilled then the yugioh player base.

[@michaelkeha]

Depends on the game really some games they do well others they fail horribly at

[@michaelkeha]

​@@idbw1274it depends on the game I have found yugioh players make for terrible magic players for example

[@soup8786]

Not magic.

[@matthewpetrela6262]

@@michaelkehaI find the opposite, I’ve only met people who played yugioh first then learned Magic and play both equally(myself included I.e) versus the other way around.

[@AldricSaint]

Digimon, which is now the worst prize supported Bandai card game, spits in Yugiohs Prizes face. I've been saying this for years. Ball is in the competitive players hands

[@aznboy202]

You looked up the non foil side event Lorcana promo cards. The top 64 and 32 foil cards are actually worth starting 4K +. The mickey is serialized and reports of 30k euros was the selling price.

[@FlareSherbetNatsu]

I'm gonna give Disney this, Disney is such a MASSIVE market, not to undersell Yugioh, but like Disney you can take 5 people on the street and I GUARANTEE they will have a favorite Disney character, so I think things like mats for them can sell for those crazy prices because of that, my mom wouldn't care about a Dark Magician mat, BUT A Cinderella mat she can use as a mouse pad? You bet your ass my mom is gonna jump at that.

[@R4INMAN94]

Imagine topping a YCS and you still neg lol. Thats Konami. The money spent on the deck, the hotel, flight. Thats not even counting the hours most put in to prep for a YCS.

[@firerhino8592]

I swear everyday I think about going back into Yugioh I get a video like this reminding me why I quit until Konami does better.

[@AT-il2ej]

You need to actually be good at the game before you can claim that applies to you.

[@firerhino8592]

@@AT-il2ej I don’t think so all players can have an opinion on prize support because it alone can affect their motivation to do better. But I’ve also topped at a few events so either way let people have opinions.

[@FoolishnessDanteeee]

Great video man, I wish I could leave it in my watch history without my algorithm going 100% Yugioh Max. See you again in 3 months

[@redoctober67]

Imagine complaining about the trash prize support at the top but not speaking out about the NA trash print quality compared to the EU. I'd rather a video representing AN ENTIRE MARKET REGION instead of the .0001% of players at the top. Biggest case in point? Do a side-by-side of NA PUR/PCR from RA02 with EU. Or CR's from Valiant Smashers (every single NA print I have is matte with no etch, but my DE cards are utterly brilliant). Honestly, prize support at the top is the LEAST of this game's many, many problems and tbh, I couldn't give less of a crap about it since it always seems to be the same people take invites from numerous regionals, end up in the top, and get paid to do it anyway from sponsorship or their own channels or whatever the hell else. This type of complaining is the Yugioh equivalent of advocating that taxes for the .01% are too much. Edit: Sorry mate, I've just finally had it with almost every YugiTuber somehow ignoring this absolutely ridiculous discrepancy in card quality that's existed for years on end and seeing a video griping about the smallest percentage of players instead of advocating for an entire market just put me over the edge on this one.

[@desshinta9428]

And that's not even Touching the Digimon TCG that's been surprisingly successful after...like, 6 incarnations of the game.

[@NintennoCollector]

Gotta give Bandai some credit. They eventually learned why their product failed and had the willpower to keep at it until it was what fans wanted.

[@RinaShinomiyaVal]

They did screw up the BT16 release for EN. Underprinted it. And MagnamonX is very overtuned

[@NintennoCollector]

@@RinaShinomiyaVal Omg i saw that! The artwork is amazing too. I am shocked how much that card is worth at the moment

[@angelgranados4737]

Just go to your locals for the community. Stay away from the higher tournaments.

[@josephcourtright8071]

The game is filled with combos so long that it will put their opponent to sleep. One card combos are running rampant. Going first and winning the coinflip is sometimes enough to lock the player out. Finally the dreaded FTK is played in having a strong showing in the meta. Skill is starting to come down to "drawing the out". Seriously, why do people keep hammering prize support. Prize support affects a fraction of the player base. WHY ARE WE HAMMER THIS OF THINGS?

[@ctusiard9755]

This matters for a handful of players. I don't think Konami cares enough.

[@LiberatorGalore]

I don’t how this was a recommendation seeing that I watch a lot of MTG…but they should have quit yugioh the second Pendulum came out.

[@kwamegunn1012]

Reason I quit when I top a ycs got a playmat was time to go this was in 2011 ive gotten more from participating in other tcg event than I did for doing well in yugioh

[@matrixsean]

I don't know if anyone else has said it yet, but the Lorcana prices are actually higher. The Cinderella and Rapunzel variants shown are the non foil side event promos. The foils ones are in the thousands. I believe Cindy was around 3k, and Rapunzel more than that,. The mickey shown is the D23 promo. The all gold alt art for topping is rumored to be 50k+. I don't know if there were any verified sales for that one though.

[@latinsizer]

The reason why I just stick to locals now. No real incentive to play at a regionals or YCS other than braggin rights for topping.

[@scribdfukkyu9630]

1:45 "It just sucks yugioh has better gameplay." more like lack of gameplay, because if you have no handtraps or way to interact with your opponent it turns into a solitaire simulator and you gotta hope the opponent messes up during the combo

[@jadedheartsz]

Disney has a TCG? How am I just now finding out about this?

[@valutaatoaofunknownelement197]

Lorcana probably wasn't noticable where you live yet, I think.

[@jadedheartsz]

@@valutaatoaofunknownelement197 yeah I live in a rural area so makes sense.

[@valutaatoaofunknownelement197]

@@jadedheartsz Makes sense. I don't know how big of a TCG presence it has, but it's Ygo presence might be bigger than where I live, which is more of suburban town.

[@michaelkeha]

Cause it's a terrible magic clone

[@Geoffgeoff18]

It's an amazing game. Definitely look into it I saw hani at dlc and he even said he may switch to lorcana and take a break from yugioh. Check it out it's really fun.

[@Schmoltis]

The first regional I entered on January 10, 2004 I got 2nd place out of I think was 194 players and the prize was a box of cards and a playmat which had just the upper deck logo and was fuzzy so you couldn't even slide cards on it. Sad to see in 20 years, such weak prize support for a game that has grown so much. Players deserve better.

[@burningfate913]

I left for Shadowverse Evolve and not gonna lie, I’ve finally been having fun playing a TCG again

[@geek593]

It's the best game on the market right now by far. Unfortunately Bushiroad seems to not care to let anyone know it exists.

[@burningfate913]

@@geek593 yeah it is unfortunate. They also have to support their other two tcgs in Vanguard and Weiss but I hope they do market it more. It’s a great game and I hope that the reason it isn’t being promoted is not because it’s a joint venture

[@kyuven]

I think something to keep in mind with the prizing of thesr newer games is the speculation aspect. Everyone knows there will be a YCS next year, and the year after. These new games are not only feeding the "early adopter" collector market, but there's uncertainty that the game will continue until next year. So judging prize value based on the secondary market is a bit of a trap for determining value of a prize. You can expect the value of their prizes for subsequent tournaments to drop off just like the YCS prizes, but the ones from this year can be expected to appreciate in value.

[@humbertoalvarez9696]

I will say that the economist in me, believes that as these games continue, one piece and lorecana, that the value of these prize cards might decrease because there are more on the market, even if their special variants.

[@idbw1274]

They have already decreased. It doesn’t help that OP prize cards are usually garbage cards. I think only like three of the prize cards are playable. The rest are just why.

[@sharkpyro93]

its 1000$+ for a deck to win a playmat vs sub-300$ to win a 1000/3000$+ card that still have collectible value

[@one.punchsmash1754]

The prizing is exactly why I don’t bother playing at anything higher than a locals. Regional once in a while. But for the fun of the game. Makes no sense how much a player has to invest in the game to not be able to profit anything. Let alone use what they win. Konami will print tier 0 decks but give a vanilla monster you can’t use in a duel as a prize. What a joke. Also why I’m so tempted to pick another TCG. Prizing.

[@MaTaTa_999]

Everyone saw the prize support for One Piece and went 😲

[@synthetichydra]

Oh the lorcana top 32 and up are even more wild tbh. Those are the side event nonfoils, the foils are like 4k+ and the mickey mouse (serialized gold) has been talked about for at least 40k

[@Sleepy0173]

Power to them I suppose. Those kinds of events have always been too much of a hassle for most people anyways. Only the most hardcore players willing to book a travel, get the best cards of the moment, and train for hours are willing to go the distance. Might as well go all in and offer real prizes for the very real effort put in.

[@Theinvisibleman26]

I'm at YCS Indianapolis right now. The guy who's picture is on video is here. I think they are trying to get rid of competition.

[@hiddenrapture6672]

You Stated at the beginning that other tcg's die out in about 4 years. Lorcana is brand new (Sep 2023) so it makes sense they would be upping the ante but I have also heard that It is very expensive. One piece tcg is also quite new (Dec 2022) and from what i heard about Ban Dai is that they have just been churning thru IP's with tcgs with high power creep. Those 2 should not be compared to YGO because for all we know that die out in the couple years. Pokemon had way more assets to subsidize their payouts more so. YGO needs more specialty Prizing like high quality Cloth mats at a certain top cut, and make the rubber mats purchasable at the events. They could also give out higher quality or their regular sleeves(great art bad durability). The Alt art of and/or special rarity for meta cards would be awesome for top 8 and top top 2 get different quantities of the current set but with a rarity collection type random (super and up)rarity/alt art. If monetary is never implemented first place could get all inclusive trip toward a ycs of their choosing with an extra day or two outside of the tournament dates.

[@beardedcat9744]

Lorcana isn’t expensive. Most decks cost under $100 you can even build a “meta” deck for under $50. The deck I play (Ruby Amethyst) is about $165. Majority of the cards I play you don’t have to I have another version if my deck and it goes for under $90 and performs just the same.

[@prodbyryshy]

i played master duel for 2 weeks then quit. this game is fried

[@Litigation342]

Give us some sick alt art of cards as prizes, the exclusivity of it will make it expensive for anyone complaining about making money and stay in heart with creator

[@dimagi7864]

Prize support is why I quit. When Konami stepped back in and forced my LGS to swap prize support from $50 for top to packs? Fuck that, I sold out of the game. 9 packs is a lot but not if its Yugioh

[@adamtribue1730]

Playstation or other game systems or actual games Rideshare gift cards A case of the current set Paid flight There's so many other ways to do prize support

[@swipe5197]

Yeah prize difference is crazy. For Lorcana, the Cinderella and Rapunzel prizes you mentioned are just for the non-foil that you can get from side events. The ones from the main event are foil and sell for more. The Cinderella has accepted offers of $3K+ on ebay.

[@jnos93]

You may have single handedly convinced me to play a different tcg lmao

[@SwagMaster824]

One piece is it rn

[@Geo-ok1nw]

@@SwagMaster824is it tho?

[@11guitarbro]

Check out flesh and blood :)

[@jnos93]

@@Geo-ok1nw that or Lorcana

[@rathalos28able]

​@@11guitarbrothat game is dead

[@AndresTcg]

The prices u were checking are the incorrect ones, u were seeing the side event version of the cards which are not holo, $200-500. The top cut got the holo version which are going for 3k to 10k the Mikey for top 8 was the golden whit serial number which top 8 players agreed with setting the minimum price of 75k

[@cybersaurusismeta847]

Prize support doesn’t have to be money to be better

[@SupremeKingToshiro]

Disagree it a net lost to play this game at a competitive level.

[@naiustheyetti]

Yes it does.

[@benoliver5593]

He is right. Give out limited edition items that can be sold. Example: Konami themed Ps5/xbox/PC/Steam Deck/vr headset. Exclusive metal or ceramic models., Real Silver / platinum cards, hell even high name brand complain outfits with 60% cash reimbursement on traveling

[@2spliffs41lifetime]

@@SupremeKingToshiromost hobbies are… still prizing could be way better

[@dannyboers4704]

​@@naiustheyettiso you are saying that every other alternative is worse than what we currently have in tcg?

[@MerlinCross13]

"What else are they gonna spend it on besides Yugioh" I mean.... that's a hottub and a yacht.

[@alphonse2234]

Those prices are insane. Are people actually paying those prices for those promos and playmats?

[@superrunnerx1]

Yes they are and they will continue to do so forever

[@MegaCapitalG]

Well they went down from the day I recorded the audio but yeah all the cards had verified sales on Tcgplayer. Shockingly a lot of these new tcgs have insanely pricey promo cards

[@KreuzDrache]

Looking up Mickey Mouse - Brave Little Tailor (D23 promo) on TCGplayer it seems to sell for around 1000 USD. HOWEVER, this was about a month ago, and there doesn't seem to be any other recorded sales for it since then. Not to mention apparently it is a thing for sellers to make "fake" sales to manipulate the average data TCGplayer. Not saying that is what happened, but sometimes it is better to take things with a grain of salt before jumping to conclusions like "this card is totally valued at this price!!"

[@idbw1274]

I know for One Piece and Lorcana the reason promos are so expensive is because they don’t print a lot of them and the games have a lot of cryptobros and investors jacking up the prices. It’s also why some of the prize cards are so high even though the most of the cards are garbage.

[@beardedcat9744]

Yeah I sold my Rock Star Stitch Promo for getting first at Set Champ for $450. 🙂

[@babyberry369]

It was cool to get a playmat in yugioh for getting top cut over a decade ago when those were only available in high end events. Nowadays you can get a playmat for winning a prerelease. Konami just doesn’t want to update their prizing with the current times. And don’t forget prize cards at YCS events were given out more than just top 3 as of current. This is just one problem that Konami needs to fix in order to keep player retention.

[@Exiled28]

I think this will never change, since Kazuki Takahashi was never a "fan" of money prices, for him yugioh was about having fun and not "gambling" for money, ironic I know(I mean the first anime arc was about cash prices and such but whatever), but now that he unfortunately died that could change for the better, but I'm not optimistic for how stingy this TCG has been historically.

[@Asim-nm1bc]

ESPECIALLY, now that he died, they won't change it. It would be like spitting on his grave. Also, people forget that konami doesn't have the sole rights to yugioh, so they aren't the only ones designing the cards, e.g.,

[@Exiled28]

​@@Asim-nm1bc This is true, more reason to not be optimistic, however don't put much water into this "spitting on his grave" thing, if it will make them money they won't care, just look at Nintendo before and after Iwata's passing, sadly for us, Konami see rewarding appropriately their players and costumers as wasted money, so it's easy for them to conveniently "respect" Takahashi's will.

[@Asim-nm1bc]

@@Exiled28 what happened with Nintendo? Idk the context

[@rek_sai_only1430]

The ironic part about the no money thing is that yugioh's business model is literal gambling with booster sets.

[@Exiled28]

@@Asim-nm1bc One of the founders of modern Nintendo as a programmer, developer and Former Nintendo CEO Satorou Iwata was against making mobile games and launching online services because they'll compromise Nintendo's integrity, once he died in 2015 Nintendo approach changed and against Iwata's will they launched their first mobile game in 2016: Super Mario Run, then Animals Crossing, then Fire Emblem and so on, then in 2018 they announced the Switch Online, of course I'm pretty sure some of Iwata's statements have been taken out of context but that's the short of it.

[@satellitecannon4717]

I can see them doing things like these for prizes. 1. Special exclusive rarity for cards. 2. Exclusive alternative art cards. 3. Exclusive cloth mat (like the black rose one from the UDS). Hell in digimon tcg, they have really sick alternative arts for the prize cards.

[@Cardlimits]

if they only cared about prizes than they weren't actual yugioh players.

[@metalmario1231]

Yeah tell that to them after spending however much on the meta and the price of entry on top of that....i would want a decent prize after all that too...not to mention travel if they don't live in the area.....like yeah heart of the cards and the spirit of the game and all...but if i spent a bundle just to be there i would be pissed too if i got trash to show for it

[@Cardlimits]

@@metalmario1231 that sounds like a them problem

[@Cardlimits]

@@metalmario1231 I'm not kidding, they made this choice, if they cared about prizes that much they should've looked into it first

[@seph2686]

​@metalmario1231 these players have been in the scene for years it's not that they only care about the prizes it's about time they push back and get komoney to wake up and do something. Especially with the recent changes that are in effect in EU that are likely to take effect outside of EU too which is potentially taking money out of people's pockets as it is. They make enough money and they do the bare minimum and they're falling behind in comparison to other game events

[@Cardlimits]

@@seph2686 oh no, it's almost like you don't have a choice to pay for it....except you do.

[@DirtyOne83]

I left the game a long time ago but these prizes line up with was always the layout. Why the uprising now? To me it comes across as sour grapes cause players still only care about maximizing profits by selling as much of their prizes as possible.

[@tjm8790]

Y'all are still gonna keep going tho lmao

[@jayavila5248]

Dude even Lorcana’s store championship level event came with a prize card and exclusive mat that each sold for several hundred dollars. And these were promos given to top 4! You could make money just by topping your locals!

[@beardedcat9744]

Yup I won my store champs few weeks back. I sold the promo($450) but kept the playmat and I use it. It’s too cool not to. 😂

[@elsadlakra7454]

Imagine spending big chunks of dollars to win a Nintendo Switch 💀

[@DawrkyWarky]

I remember meeting the lady running the yugioh TCG 5 years ago at this distributor meeting in Las Vegas called GAMMA, short sweet asian lady. I tried talking to them about the state of the game, prizing, and other things related to yugioh. I even mentioned that I've been playing their game since I was a 6 years old. They avoided answering every question I had and answering it with "we cater for the kids. our audience is the kids. yugioh is not for adults." I remember being flabbergasted at the fact that they knew nothing about their game and quit as soon as I got home from my trip lol. They don't care, to them it's a cheap way to make money. Konami doesn't spend anything to run YCS's and regionals btw its all the card stores and they hardly make anything from running events like that.

[@jtalkalot19]

Isn't the reason yugioh doesn't have cash prizes is because that goes against Takahashi's wishes?

[@MegaCapitalG]

Correct, but we could still have travel vouchers, gift cards, credits or other valuable things that arent explicitly money/cash.

[@KaoruMzk]

People aren't specifically asking for cash prizes, they want *better* prices.

[@rek_sai_only1430]

Yes, but it's funny how prize money bad but buying sealed product hoping you get an expensive card (literal gambling) is fine.

[@spicymemes7458]

Kazuki Takahashi isn't right about everything.

[@johnnycapote9817]

He is dead now,all that goes out the window. IDC what that man wanted or wants. We don't play his game and win for nothing. Move forward and give us good prizes

[@Kelpwoud]

My buddy told me his 4th place in a local lorcana tournament netted him more then 10 years of yugioh in prizes.

[@170skeith]

I've had friends constantly trying to get me to participate in competitive events and I enjoy kitchen table yugioh. I'm not going to play with a top deck that would cost 500$-1000$ to play in an event that might on a good day award me with 50$-100$ worth of merchandise when I play cheaper decks for better prizes in other games. I'd take a loss playing Yu-Gi-Oh but I usually make a profit each time I play mtg or pokemon.

[@jtalkalot19]

Wait, this is so stupid. They get into this game knowing the prize support is trash, and its the same reason you quit?

[@ProtossTempest]

Idk bout you, but Minerva selling for hundreds was awesome

[@MegaCapitalG]

Well in an ideal world a company would improve the payout as the game grows. Konami however is just Konami...

[@MegaCapitalG]

@@ProtossTempest Yes but now we have these trash Vanilla YCS prize cards that no one wants. They're nearly worthless

[@SimplyXera]

@@MegaCapitalGThe ultra rares of those are valued at $7,000 on EBay with dozens of watchers in the past 24 hrs. I don’t think they are as worthless as you want to support your argument.

[@monkeybench]

The prize support used to be good. Winner was cash, a mat, a prize card and like half a case of You have to remember, most notable pros are in their mid 20's to early 30's. In around HAT/Dragon Ruler format

[@raulsdrsd]

Its worth mentioning that the World Champion of the year in Magic can design one card (with restrictions) to be released next set, so u will be forever imortalized inside the game, that alone is a reward that u cant put a price on (if u truly love the game), but here i was thinking that mtg cash prizes were awfull

[@don945646]

Ngl i just started playing pokemon and i enjoy it minus occasionally getting dunked on.

[@ChazBlanks]

Same here, I'll tell you this getting better in Pokémon is easier than Yugioh

[@don945646]

@@ChazBlanks and it's fun despite me playing gardevoir ex, which is supposed to be one of the best decks in the format.

[@anthonymason9855]

I stopped playing the yugioh TCG because of how much the card game is costing me and skummy players, I been playing pokemon TCG since last year and I meet new people and they treat me with respect and the game is cheaper and its easier to plat than yugioh, too complicated for me getting last place at tourneys since 2002. I suck at yugioh tcg but i do better with pokemon (even at the local scene) Im always topping at my locals.

[@hawkticus_duel_shack]

I've said it multiple times, if Konami doesn't want to give out money (for whatever reason it is) then they need to give out something else that is worth fighting for. Personally I say they should go back to what they did for one of the early OCG championships and give out a really nice high quality stainless steel card, preferably something relevant to that year. There'd only be a handful of them in existence, so they'd hold value, and they'd be unique to Yugioh. There.

[@trevor4533]

I had no idea pokemon regionals paid that kind of money. I'm actually very surprised it isn't more popular where I am.

[@ChaotixBR]

I stopped playing yugioh for 2 reasons: 1) They stopped adding support to the deck I've been playing in the past 7 years so... Yeah... No DM support no fun to me. 2) Digimon TCG becamse a thing and oh boy, Veemon decks gets support all the time which is great!!!

[@RinaShinomiyaVal]

Unless your UlForceVeedramon 😢

[@milkbottle4u]

0:52 zooming in on the big guy as you say “biggest and brightest stars” 💀

[@RandomInteractions]

You looked up almost all the wrong cards for lorcana but you get it for the most part.

[@tartantulakid666]

Konami: this new card is an easy 2+ by special summoning it Also Konami: we are completely okay with our players going -1000 dollars to attend tournaments.

[@harpieclan1950]

Over a game I never understood why people go so hard. Everyone uses the same decks and strategies and wanna act like they’re the best. And then get mad they are winning big prizes like for what you did nothing extraordinary. You played a deck that 30 other people played. Idk yugioh has become very draining over the years

[@markusrows1096]

Was shocked the first time I heard about prizes in Yu-Gi-Oh. Was used to Magic the Gathering prizes of about a couple of thousands and then to hear that one of its main competitors just offers basically gaming valuables as prizes is wild.

[@axelis99]

For that reason i abandoned Yugioh competitive and jump to Pokemon with only a $130 USD deck i winned $800 in a local tournament

[@codex4010]

The brave tailer Mickey is $75,000 Rapunzel 8k cindi 3k those you saw and showed were from side event prizes different from the actual YCS equivalent main event.