Farmall H Starter & Generator Disassembly - "Preparation H" Project Episode #31

[@cmh1984]

This is one I've been looking forward to actually. My whole life (and my dad's, and most of my grandad's) anytime we had issues with starters/generators/magnetos etc. we always ran them to our local auto electric shop, Harvey Bros. They were in business for ages, and anything you needed, they knew how to fix it, where to get it, or what would work in it's place. Model T buzz boxes, mags of all kinds, any starter, any generator, no matter what, they tackled it. Walking into their shop was like going back in time. But, all good things must end, and the guys were all getting old, so they shut down recently, and now I find myself needing to learn the magic of electrical doo-hoppers and thingymabobs, so this video will come in handy. Thank you for taking the time to make stuff like this, we all appreciate it.

[@johngibson3837]

Same for me mate used to go see rodger at Chapman's and was always a pleasure

[@lordcaptainvonthrust3rd]

Keeping industrial history alive. Nice episode, Squatch

[@ShakirAuto067]

Good bro 😊

[@DrewSawyerMayor]

I’m expecting in the next episode you’ll have a growler, a commutator lathe, and a mica under cutter out on your workbench ready to work on those armatures. Am I warm ? Parts catalogs are a thing of the past unfortunately. It’s a lot easier to reference back and forth through the pages than on a computer screen ! 29 years ago I was repairing my father’s 50 year old D2 and called our nearest Caterpillar dealer in Montreal. Parts guy told me that he couldn’t get anything for it. A friend told me to call the Cat dealer in Albany NY which is about 170 miles south of here. They had everything I needed within 3 days !! I’m positive that the guy up here didn’t want to bother looking it up in a catalog. Thanks for the great videos.

[@squatch253]

My local Ziegler Cat dealer stopped being able to look things up manually at around that same time, that’s when the word came down from Corporate that all the old paper manuals and Micro-Fische machines were to be removed to clear space for more stock because everything was being converted to computer databases. A few dealers kept that stuff around for a little longer if they still had older parts guys that didn’t like the computers, but after they finally retired the switchover became complete. To this day though, if I look up the old parts numbers for them, they can plug those in and cross it to the modern number.

[@ShakirAuto067]

Good bro

[@AndrewHCann]

Excellent video also very important information and very usefull information! I

[@BrianSmith-lo3mj]

Thanks for another GREAT episode Toby.

[@ShakirAuto067]

Good bro

[@scottymac5174]

When you are an every day farmer. The goal is to keep downtime to a minimum. You can't afford to spend a week working one one component. I was born in 1960. I grew up with this stuff.

[@ShakirAuto067]

Good bro 😊

[@nathancarlisle2801]

Always enjoy seeing those old manuals and catalogs being put to use

[@scottymac5174]

Part #'s.

[@ShakirAuto067]

Nice bro

[@StinkyPony34]

Love all of the detail you provide

[@ShakirAuto067]

Good bro 😊

[@larrymilliken288]

My electronics background made this video enjoyable to watch. You're correct! Documentation is everything and without it you're shooting in the dark!

[@paulsilva3346]

18:42 Thanks again, Squatch 253, another trip down memory lane. 60 years ago, my dad and grandfather rebuilt the starter and Generator for the Super M that we had on our farm😊

[@ShakirAuto067]

Nice bro 😊

[@WACRE44]

Thanks now I know what to look forward to

[@JimParsons-md3xk]

Thank you sir! I deal with Delco starter/generators alot on 60's to 68 Wheel Horse GTs and your info has been an education. I can see I need to start looking for the very thick book you have as well as other manuals. I will never not browse the paper farmer at shows again!

[@dougkubash8673]

I enjoy when you go through the old manuals! I have some old Motors Manuals and GM service manuals and access them frequently.

[@ShakirAuto067]

Good bro

[@hunterprowsemrereviews9141]

Absolutely books on the original equipment is a wealth of knowledge that would be hard to find on the Internet even. If you don’t know what you’re looking for, you could search on the Internet for days, and not find squat. These books or any book, is gonna make it so much easier to find this type of information. At first when you get a book like this it may be hard, and you’ll have to do some searching to find where in a book like that the information you need is, but that’s only the first time. You can do like you did and leave book marks, so next time if you need the same information, you can turn right to it and then even highlight it or mark it, so your eye goes right to it. Then from then on, it’ll take you near seconds to find it lol, faster than typing it in the search bar on the Internet!

[@StubProductions]

I’m always amazed at how those manuals are made and all the info listed. Imagine all the people who wrote them and made the illustrations. Amazing amount of work

[@WrenchHead]

Sweeet Delco Remy book!!! I'm going to have to keep an eye out for one of those. Can't have too many manuals in your shop library.

[@thieltech1]

Love your shop !!!!

[@texasjetman]

Agreed 100% you can’t beat paper manuals & if you find you no longer need a particular manual or reference book they sell quite well on the internet auction sites to be passed onto another person in need.

[@ShakirAuto067]

Nice bro 😊

[@rickharper6320]

Vintage manuals are practically priceless. Being in the parts business for decades managed to “ acquire” the originals when the revised ones came out to replace them. The replacements lacked the age old hand written notes in the margins that were a wealth of knowledge from sometimes decades of use. Thanks for this series, amazing how simple these units really are. Like cmh1984 we always had a local shop to take care of our starter/generator needs that no longer exists. Time for even us old timers to learn a thing or two !! 😆

[@brianbell3748]

We know @squatch253 is a bad boy now, he uses a chrome socket on an impact 🤣

[@wemedeeres4105]

Waaay off topic here but man did that orange peeler sticker on the parts book brings back alot of memories from my childhood! My uncles put orange peelers on every one of their cars, pickups and any of my grandpa's grain trucks he'd allow them. In my opinion they were a much better sound than the cherry bomb's! 😂😂

[@ShakirAuto067]

Good bro 😊

[@RobertBrothersJr-dc7nr]

Fantastic video Toby. Those books are priceless. I’m looking forward to the next video. Thanks

[@stevenfischer5493]

Great video. Keep up the good work

[@jefferystrange7476]

Like this video ! Lucky I didn't have any issues so far with my starter and generator. But if I do ill have some clear instruction and shared experience on how to rebuild them. Man that giant Delco parts and service manual is too cool. Ill be on the lookout for one. Thanks

[@geneguenther4325]

Thanks for the video Toby! It’s nice to see how everything goes together and how it all works out. Can’t wait for the next video!

[@KennyKizzleRustyNutzRanch]

Great video, buddy! I'm riding in the car on my way to Nebraska with Rudy. He understood the info. I'm lost, but that's why I've got your videos!

[@timothyball3144]

Sometimes, an old book is the only way to go. Had a 70s Deere grader that I needed trans parts for. The electronic catalog had all of the newest, latest and greatest part numbers that I couldn't find. I found an early print manual with the original part numbers and eventually found the parts that I needed because they were listed by the original part number.

[@ShakirAuto067]

Good bro 😊

[@JeffreyMiller-cy9zu]

love the book, my kids think i'm nuts but books so valuable for stuff like this

[@stevestrohacker8436]

Glad to see I'm not the only one who scavenges ALL the old manuals I can get. You just never know what you might need a part number.

[@janking2762]

I’m not a real mechanic so I’m very nice to the few that I can find. Treat them well, don’t question reasonable estimates, be patient with waiting for the parts to arrive. They( and Toby and Senior are definitely in this class) are real assets and deserve good treatment and respect.

[@sterff89]

I like the books too. I bought a stack of Zenith and Marvel Schebler carb books from the 50’s at an auction last year. Just used the Zenith one for my Super A.

[@larrydavidson3402]

Very informative video.

[@rickyjessome4359]

Fantastic video Toby! It all makes perfect sense to me because i do this daily with my grandfather's small engine shop. We do everything by book or use the old slide cards. Cheers

[@aserta]

Nice feel going through parts you've already serviced and properly lubricated in the past. A far cry from how they usually present themselves; rusty, crusty and ready to fight you till the ends of the world.

[@jmumbauer]

I too advocate for original service information. Good stuff.

[@stevemccoy8138]

I think I would have trouble putting all that stuff back together 😢 I love those parts books, I was a partsman at a CASE Dealer back in my youth, 1974. Thanks for Sharing. 😊

[@LLAHTI1]

Love it, so interesting- I remember the old days when all the parts guys had to go through those books to buy any kind of parts! Those days really separated the experienced ones from the rest, when the 50,000 questions started! lol great video

[@squatch253]

I can still remember as a kid going into the local auto parts store with Senior and they still had the 5-foot long super giant cross reference manual binders on the counter - those guys had looked at those huge compilations of information so many times that they could just about land on the page they were looking for on the first try lol 👍 Now days, that same quantity of information only weighs a few ounces and can be carried in the palm of your hand on an electronic device…

[@LLAHTI1]

@@squatch253 I know exactly what your talking about, Dohnansky Motor & Implement in Meadowlands, where I grew up, was the Ford Dealer and New Holland Dealer back then- so doesn’t even have to be said that’s all my grandpa and dad ran. That counter for NH parts books for so much equipment was so long I still remember it well! Dad would send me in from the field to get a part, usually old Lillian the book keeper would have to come down out of her office, find the right book look up the part #- then remember-go to the index file cabinet find the part # again to see which numbered bin the part was located. When you did the video at the dealership when you were leaving in the parts area, all those bins and books,and old parts took me way back!! I miss those simple times!

[@bradleyberman9863]

My Aunt Lillian (long gone) was a bookkeeper.@@LLAHTI1

[@arthurirwin8235]

Nice to learn something new to start the day! Great video!

[@clydeschwartz]

Excellent video shop and service and parts books are extremely useful and a must for working on equipment. I have a 1967 Trojan payloader it came with a service and repair manual and parts book in a binder I have found all kinds of parts for it off the internet and from old dealers parts inventory. Keep up the great videos

[@davidpierce3386]

WOW Delco Remy information in a Ford Garage. Well guess when you want right go with the Leader! I laugh because my early career days were at NAPA jobber. All those manuals and catalogs found their way home with me. Knowing is power.

[@jamesburns8247]

being an industrial electrician 42yrs and retired 14yrs ago I had many opportunities over the years to contact engineering depts and dig up specks on machinery that my company acquired and wanted to upgrade to the 20th century. they still had the books.

[@davidkimmel4216]

Wonderful video. I learned bunches 😊

[@ricklaleman6552]

Very informative.

[@scottymac5174]

There used to be only one local place around here (south Santa Cruz county/North Monterey county). No longer.

[@horstszibulski19]

Remembering me and my Dad once went to a shop here, where they sell anything hardware-related stuff, from head- and taillights over door seals and gaskets for any type of vehicle down to special fasteners etc, they even were the only place that could supply a leather piston seal for a hand pump, that my Dad was looking for...they has these giant books also on the counter, but they were quite modern too as they already had a microfiche device... 😉 Thx for showing! 👍👍👍

[@motorv8N]

Great video. Can’t tell you how much good lighting, sound, and visuals are appreciated. Always tops on your channel.

[@matthew4457]

Welcome back!!!! You haven't missed a beat with knowledge, in depth explanation and bringing us all aling on your next adventure!! Thanks Squatch!!

[@timd1965]

Another great video. I agree with you, BOOKS, BOOKS and MORE BOOKS. The more information you have makes it easier to find parts and repair anything you are working on. Look forward to the next video.

[@smaggies]

Great older Parts Manual, I read thoughts many times at Part Shop..... Thanks:)

[@SuperMAZ007]

The master books are a real must if you work with anything old. Even Google dose not have everything listed not to mention some of the information in the internet is incorrect or unchecked/verified. Starter and generator repair can be fun. What is not so fun is when you have a odd man starter that has a very specific nose cone. If you don't know it's a unicorn lot of bad stuff can happen when you try to find a replacement. Just sharing a personal experience here.

[@brianyoung5648]

You are a book of knowledge yourself!

[@FURST420]

Squatch, you are a wealth of information ! Great video

[@robmatthews7972]

I remember using a growler in high school auto shop in 1971. I bet most ppl now don`t know what one is.

[@mrtswan1821]

Love these videos Toby. Always enjoyable. 😃

[@robertquast9684]

Some people think that putting all that parts data online was the best thing ever which it can be nice but there is something about being able to flip pages in a book

[@ShakirAuto067]

Good working bro 💯

[@carlkoeller2276]

I can't wait for your next episode been looking for a good test how too

[@fredcarlson5775]

Toby I was a partsman at a trucking company one of my most treasured books was a bendex master air brake book it was a 2 books each the size of your Delco book it had everything in it from 1940 to 2001 I am retired now I hope my replacement person didn't throw it away

[@michaelbaumgardner2530]

Those manuals are priceless

[@Lloyd973]

Great video.

[@lambhill1180]

Plus you've got the loose wire in the generator to fix.

[@angrybobking5083]

Hoping for some cleaning footage!!

[@dansullivan2954]

Excellent video.

[@vonRow]

It's kinda fun and kind of a pain in the -ahem, to take parts numbers into a shop around here these days. I get a lot of " You need a WHAT??" OK, year, model... wait, pre 1980? NOPE. Don't have it. Next!..." So then I'm left taking the numbers to the internet and hunting down the stuff. Only to find that the parts STILL cross reference to modern manufactured bits and bobs that the parts store Does In Fact Have On Hand After All. AAAAAAARG.

[@squatch253]

lol that’s when I usually walk back in there and tell them that I found their own part number all by myself and that I’d like to order one, but at a 25% discount for doing their job for them ha ha 😂

[@aserta]

If no brush is available, one can be made from the closest denominator. They're extremely easy to make (just keep the right compound and orientation). And if one finds themselves having to put a copper wire to a brush (either broken or never had one) a small copper wedge is perfect. You tap it lightly (into the hole) with the tiniest hammer available to drift in the copper cable. Either by making a small loop to catch with the copper drift or by twisting it around in the hole (like a J). Some of these brushes are unobtanium. For my part, the bigger they are, the better because they're so much easier to make then. Again, i must stress that the most important two things are composition and orientation. You can really destroy the commutator bars with the wrong brush compound. Also, for those that might not be aware of it, never use sand paper on them. The copper on commutator bars is very soft and you end up embedding grit in them that way. You want to use a decent set of needle files to clean them or steel wool. It also suffices to lightly scrape the surface with the back of a worn box blade, just enough to expose a little bit of copper (once you expose a little, the brushes do the rest).

[@stevenm3141]

That was fascinating, I haven't seen a delco remy book like that in at least 30 years maybe more.

[@bobuk5722]

Hi Toby, I have never gasped when watching your videos - until now! That Delco parts manual really is something else. And you have more than one such reference works! Have you thought of starting your own chained library? For those who have never heard of such a thing books were once handwritten, usually by monks, and so valuable that they were chained to the bookcase. Not handwritten now of course but spare a thought for the typesetters who laid Squatch's library out.

[@curtislowe4577]

I grew up Mopar so Delco-Remy was one the big enemy's subsidiaries. What did Orange Peeler refer to? High Performance (can't make out the last word). The artwork puts it at the end of 60s to the end of the muscle car era a few years into the 70s.

[@squatch253]

Yes, I believe that Orange Peeler sticker was for a muffler or 'glass-pack exhaust system of some sort.

[@erik_dk842]

As a fellow "5" from the Enneagram: You can never get enough information

[@bobpaterson1845]

Great video 👍 i just recently acquired a workshop parts manual for my international and already it has paid dividends great advice 👌

[@davidvogel6359]

that is a recipe for disaster for me to work on two different things at the same time. who knows what might be swapped or lost.

[@jmailbell]

Neat stuff, the devil is in the details.

[@halsnyder296]

This should be interesting (they’re all interesting)

[@AB-nu5we]

Hopefully there will be a video of the cleaning, or if not cleaning these electrical system parts, a separate 'How-To' if Squatch's methods. I did check the Playlist titled 'Old Tractor Restoration Tips', but didn't see anything. If someone knows of a Squatch video demonstrating how he cleans electrical system components for either tractors or bulldozers in another playlist. drop a reply here. Thanks in advance.

[@danielbrennan6150]

my model t starter is very similar just replaced a broken spring on it last month

[@thomasheaney2087]

Thanks

[@tutmondigo]

Can you show off the bookcase with all your manuals sometime?

[@johnzmurchyk4587]

I’m not sure if you check your comments on your older videos or not, but here goes. I am have a couple of Autolite starters that need field coils. None of the local shops can get parts. I sourced parts on eBay, now, none of the local shops will install parts that they didn’t supply. Long story short, I am going to attempt a rebuild myself, with the help of your videos. I’ve always been confused when it comes to soldering. Acid core, flux core, rosin core. Could you please explain the type of solder you use, and the different scenarios that hat require different soldering materials?

[@geneard639]

@12:12 ....*looks at massive manual* Did you drop that thing the other day, causing that 7.5 earthquake in Japan?

[@snowman9980]

I just found one of those books at work-the big parts manual. Its been sitting on a shelf for probably 20 years as its been that long since they rebuilt anything here-everything now is reman. They were thinking on throwing it away so SCORE for me LOL

[@squatch253]

Nice!!!

[@stephensaasen8589]

Definitely true that you can't necessarily trust all things Google when it comes to this old school stuff. I had to once call a guy that cut his teeth on the old bump-side Ford trucks when he was just a teen at his dad's garage in a small town. Google said the pink ballast resistor wire for the coil was supposed to read 6-8 volts. Mine read 12 volts. The mechanic told me the concept of the wire was to not actually resist and drop overall voltage but to slow the flow. As fast as the breaker points open and close as the engine runs, the resistor wire slows the flow and only 6 or 8 volts ends up getting to the coil before contact breaks again. The way to test the ballast resistor wire is to ohm it and you should have 1.5 to just under 2 ohms. Try to find that in the forums....

[@chrisrhodes5464]

It's a big deference between having an electric starter to a small gas motor starter

[@andrewmacdougall5987]

Great video. I have a starter off a cockshutt 50 diesel its a Delco needs to be re wound. Has a short in the armature. Have you ever re wound one? Or is there a place in the US that can rewind them? Nothing up hear in Canada. We have become a throw away country.

[@christophermitchell8986]

I want one of those books, where is it?

[@ryanridgely7807]

Was the 16/24/25 column (next to the clockwise or counterclock) in the manual the commutator segment count? Neat books. I love that stuff.

[@FeralPreacher]

Perhaps there is a standard that I have not learned. When you state rotation being CW or CCW, what end are you referencing? Love your breakdowns and parts identification. Thanks for sharing.

[@bobcrone6151]

Checking to see if I missed episodes? Seems like it’s been a while. Hope dude is doing ok with his eye!

[@squatch253]

Just been slamming the Members' channel this week, 3 new uploads there in the last 3 days because I've recently upgraded my video equipment and have been experimenting with the new camera, new editing software, and new computer system away from the public feed where I can make mistakes and try new features out in a much more relaxed environment :-) Tomorrow morning though, there will be a new episode hitting the public feed here that was put together entirely with the new operating system, it's rather short but it took a ton of time to create because of the steep learning curve that comes with new technology - and I'm not a natural when it comes to change, or new things lol!

[@bobcrone6151]

@@squatch253 oh fantastic! Was worried you’d had a setback! Look forward to each new episode!💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻

[@seniorelectrician6831]

I will need to re watch this as once you got into the book I was disrupted. Did you find any info on your replaced Armature?

[@1marcelfilms]

I downloaded a very legal copy of snap on EPC for my car. All the parts numbered

[@keithgraham6947]

I like the books and charts to but I can't seem to find the best books

[@JaredBowman.1]

That Delco remy manual is beautiful! I only have 2 questions. 1) Does that include caterpillar tractor models and 2) where can I find that beast of a book?

[@rawbsworld6604]

There’s safety in numbers and numbers don’t lie! 👍 unless your a millennial then they mean whatever they say it is 🤷‍♂️😂🤣😝 ✌️🤙

[@mandolinman2006]

You know, you wouldn't have to go through so much if you'd swap that generator out for an alternator. 😉😂

[@S_F_U_L]

Those books are amazing but I would have assumed that there would be an online version available now?

[@squatch253]

Nothing online that I have found, unfortunately. That's not saying there isn't something somewhere, but if there is I haven't located it yet.

[@P61guy61]

Excellent!!!

[@peterfallert4994]

How do you determine whether a generator is internally or externally grounded? I had a hell of time determining what mine was on my John Deere 40 C. It seems to be charging properly now, so I must have wired it correctly.

[@acewrench]

Do you ever have to review your videos to see how things came apart and help you with reassembly?

[@squatch253]

No, compared to the things I used to work on at the Ford dealer, these old tractor projects are pretty easy to stay on top of 👍

[@acewrench]

@@squatch253 You are sharp as a tack. My mind is like a steel trap; everything that goes in gets mangled.

[@JoTa8389-gu9vi]

I never thought about it but you are right they are similar on the inside I'll be waiting to see the next video. Any issues with the eye since you've had some more time to heal?

[@squatch253]

Still difficult to focus in on things that are close-up, also makes reading a bit tricky yet. Still have a squiggle in my vision, everything in the lower quadrant of my right eye has a swale in it if there is a straight edge on what I'm looking at, but I've trained my left eye to take over and it helps my brain to disregard the anomaly. That is slowly going away as the retina continues to flatten back down, but for a while when I walked up to my toolbox, the horizontal drawer fronts looked like they were a side view of stair-steps with that swale line obscuring each one of them at the same time. Transitioning between very bright rooms into dark spaces is also a real treat unless I go slow and give my eye time to adjust, and vice-versa. The affected area where the retina had lifted will "glow" for about a minute if I'm suddenly in a dark space, and then once I get used to the low light if I suddenly go back into a bright space that same area turns into a dark-ish shadow that also takes about a minute to go away. After those transitions though, everything seems to return to normal.

[@bcbloc02]

On an old Volkswagen the starter and generator are literally the same thing!

[@johnbarron4027]

Dying to know, Allis Chalmers, Leese Neville or Delco Remy?

[@karlfischer1011]

computers are great, but books were better. there's a 4th and 5th dimension of books for lookup that computers still can't do. I got into parts at the tail end of books being published. There started to be more mistakes in the books that weren't corrected between printings, or the last printing was terrible and so-called forward-thinking managers insisted old books get tossed as soon as new were received so the resources were wrong or missing info. Some of the old guys (and me) knew better and would squirrel away the old books in a *trust but verify* attitude to the new ones, usually the old ones stayed. If i had a nickel every time I truly helped a customer when the computer failed us, I might have a free lunch or 2 😊.