Farrow and Ball Paint - which paint do you need to use and where?

[@Russ1007]

Cracking video Phil, love the variety and entertainment of all you videos, hope the subscribers keep rising 👍

[@ProfessionalPainterDecorator]

Thanks 👍 I'll get there ;)

[@rachelbailey52]

@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator I'm going to be emulsioning my kitchen using Farrow & Ball White Tie modern emulsion, but I'm not sure which shade of white Farrow & Ball emulsion to use for my ceiling to blend in with the white tie?

[@ProfessionalPainterDecorator]

@@rachelbailey52 can't go wrong with winbourne white.

[@NicholasANappiNick]

So glad they didn’t make it confusing 🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳

[@skelly790]

Used F&B for the first time this week. First job was restoring an old door that'd been dipped, then stained and varnished. Wasn't sure what the finish was so used BIN, followed by the recommended undercoat and two coats of Estate Eggshell. Second was outside doors over oil gloss, so they've had BIN Aqua followed by the undercoat and Exterior Eggshell. Expensive, mind. Interior door was green, and I reckon they must have added finely crushed jade to justify the price. But I don't mind the extra cost because they look fantastic. Really pleased with the results. The luminosity of the paint gives a really nice shaded 3D effect to the mouldings around the panels as the light hits it from different angles. 10/10 will be using it for all the other doors and windows in the rest of the house.

[@rogerbell123]

The things some people will do for a free t shirt lol , I’m a big fan of the F&B range of paints especially the modern emulsion I’ve used it quite a few times ,I love the range of darker colours they do due to better quality of pigments they use you can achieve a really deep looking finish, totally agree about the labels all being the same colours and the lack of trade discount although to be fair I don’t think they are aiming at the trade market .it’s a paint which sometimes un fairly in my opinion gets a rough ride in the trade probably due to price . Another good and interesting video Phil keep them coming all the best .

[@ProfessionalPainterDecorator]

Those Polo Shirts are very exclusive!! Only the few!! LoL

[@rogerbell123]

@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator save it for special occasions lol, I managed to get a graco baseball cap at the P&D show been after one for ages it’s the little things in life lol

[@noelleonard5138]

Hi guys I'm living in ireland and I'm also in the trade i use coulartrend paints don't no if you ever used that brand but I find that it's every bit as good if not better than f&b try it out guys

[@ProfessionalPainterDecorator]

@@noelleonard5138 hi. Welcome. I've not heard of it before. Is it an independent paint company like F&B or little greene?

[@rogerbell123]

@@noelleonard5138 I’ve heard good reports about colour trend not sure if it’s available over here

[@archieking8696]

Thank you for sharing I haven’t been using Faron ball that far but if it’s sprays well why not

[@ProfessionalPainterDecorator]

It does spray well. Doesn't need very much thinning when using an airless.

[@timothyosullivan6079]

Great info. Thanks Phil.

[@ProfessionalPainterDecorator]

Glad it was helpful!

[@helenalovelock1030]

What about the NEW released about a year ago Dead Flat for the walls multi surface ? It’s supposed to be tougher for high traffic areas and really scrubbable and wipable more than the modern emulsion. There is a video on KZbin from the actual farrow and ball developers of it I watched the other day. I will send it to you on Facebook would love to know your opinion

[@rosiegrace6253]

what is the best farrow & Ball paint for solid wood furniture and do you have to use a primer first even if the furniture piece is already the colour cream....thank you for sharing your information x

[@ProfessionalPainterDecorator]

Hello. F&b modern eggshell is the harder finish.. that's good on furniture... Kitchens!! Use the f&b UC light tones, I'd think will be fine if it's a light colour byiur painting them. If you need to use a grip primer.. as your going over a oil or gloss previous surface. Looks bat using Tikkurila otex akva. That's fine to use under a f&b UC.

[@Fred-qr5sg]

About 20 years ago,one of my middle class (rich) customers gave me 2 gallons of that F&B stuff for her music room. 1st coat on half a wall had no opacity so I told her I will charge her for an extra coat (minimum) unless she let me get the colour matched in Dulux trade matt.. That fixed the problem.. Bosh!

[@ProfessionalPainterDecorator]

20yrs is a long time ago.

[@danielwoolcock7267]

Only ever used f&b once. I never get asked for it. Little green on the other hand, I've used that many times and the wallpaper. Great video Phil. Looking forward to the next one. Cheers 👍🏻

[@ProfessionalPainterDecorator]

Both very good paint companies LG, very much on a par with FB.

[@rachelbailey52]

@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator Which interior Farrow & ball paint looks best on door frames and skirting boards in the living room area, estate eggshell or modern eggshell?

[@ProfessionalPainterDecorator]

@@rachelbailey52 i prefer modern eggshell... It's a harder wearing finish and has a nice sheen level. Use the appropriate f&b UC for it and two top coats ;)

[@miker8149]

Ha! I'm just about to do a large project all F&B interesting video many thanks

[@Twistednutz]

good shout for the trade accounts 👍 the average customer won't pay F&B prices. great video mate....

[@ProfessionalPainterDecorator]

It nice when those do want it and also listen when you explain the f&b that's needed to complete the job... And they understand and are happy with that.

[@LOWRIandSEREN]

Hi Phil, Love the videos....and proving very helpful for some planned decorating work the wife has planned for me. Quick question re undercoat. Our house is a 3yo new build and the plan is to use F&B paints on woodwork and walls/ceilings etc. Would you recommend using undercoat on all surfaces or would 2 coats of F&B be enough. Thanks Jason

[@ProfessionalPainterDecorator]

Hi. No, do it properly. Use the correct Primer/UC for the colour you'll be finishing with. Modern eggshell is a great finish to use. Ceilings, you'll already have a light colour on already, so if doing them with a light colour Estate Emulsion you will get away with two coats. Walls, if it's a cheap contract Matt paint on now, you may well benefit for using the wall/ceiling primer on the correct tone for the top coat. If you don't you may be putting extra coats on anyway. And the primer coat is cheaper than top coat and it's there to aid the coverage for top coats. Modern emulsion is great for walls. Won't mark so easy.

[@LOWRIandSEREN]

@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator Thanks Phil

[@carolynejayne121]

good job Phil, im about to do my tongue & grove paneling throughout my narrowboat & kitchen cupboards in the galley 👍 will be using the primer & undercoat in one

[@ProfessionalPainterDecorator]

if it's new wood, give it a thinner forst coat to act as the primer so it soaks in, then you can give it a sand, stop up, fill and caulk as required... then give it all the UC, Then the two top coats. That will give you the best result. Don't try and do a primer and Uc in one go.. that's not the Idea.

[@lisamccaff9217]

Super video, thank you!

[@ProfessionalPainterDecorator]

Thank you Lisa :)

[@picking11111]

Nice one Phil, will they spray okay without tin down also could you recommend a paint sprayer DIY Home use

[@ProfessionalPainterDecorator]

Which paint do you want to spray and with what spray set up? Have a look at my other spray videos. There's some good cheap ones I demo.

[@picking11111]

Mainly water, colour paint, but not sure on spraygun, will be only using it on DIY home use woodwork and decorating not that keen on watering down the paint 🎨

[@ProfessionalPainterDecorator]

@@picking11111 it'll depend what sprayer you get, a splash of water does help Check out the cheap hvlp sprayer on a few videos back.

[@heddaszczepanski9210]

Thank you for this very informative video. I love F&B paint but have been told many times by the uninitiated that it was a waste of money, and also I did wonder if there was a good reason professional painters and decorators dont like it. Now I have my argument🤗 I just have one question: on previously painted plasterboard which has been previously painted, do I need to use an undercoat for Estate Emulsion, or can I just paint two coats on top of what is already there? I was in two minds about painting my front door in gloss, I live in Norway and we do have good paint for a very cold climate, but I am going to use F&B. Do I need an undercoat on a previously painted door? Would you do more than two coats? Thank you.

[@ProfessionalPainterDecorator]

When using F&B I'd always use their primer undercoat before putting two top coats on. With the emulsion, you won't need the wall/ceiling primer coat really, unless you're doing ba big colour change.

[@heddaszczepanski9210]

@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator thank you! Exactly what I needed confirmed.

[@robertoparla3883]

Can you use F&B to cover over laminate/Vinyl kitchen cupboards?

[@ProfessionalPainterDecorator]

is it coming off anywhere, if so heat gun and it will come off easy. If its all on tight, clean down, a light abrade , then use a grip primer before you use the F&B Undercoat.. folled by two coats of modern eggshell... it sthe arder finish.

[@samharris2093]

Great video. 👌🏼 How does F&B compare to Tikkurila?

[@ProfessionalPainterDecorator]

each has it place in the market ;) Tikk has more products available for different substrates and applications, F&B has less but enough keeping it simple. If you need a grip adhesion primer prior to using F&B, I'd use Tikkurilla Otex Akva, folloed by F&B Uc.. then F&B Top coats.

[@samharris2093]

@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator Thanks Phil, much appreciated

[@Rain-uh4us]

Can you give advice on Benjamin Moore paints quality comparison great advice👍

[@ProfessionalPainterDecorator]

hi, not at the moment. I'm waiting to hear from the rep I have touched base with him though.

[@jamesquao1028]

What would you recommend for the interior of a garden office (tongue and groove walls)

[@ProfessionalPainterDecorator]

If you want the woodwork look finish, harder wearing and a nice serviceable sheen level. Look at the Modern Eggshell. Using the correct colour undercoat for the finish colour. The undercoat is also a primer so it can be used in n bare wood.

[@laurenwoods4767]

Hi, Do you have any advice on painting a uPVC front door? I'm thinking of using the De Nimes (No.299) exterior eggshell with the dark tones exterior wood primer? I'm concerned that some of the photos in the review change in colour between blue to grey - would I get more of the blue colour if I go for a different primer? (Sorry, I'm completely new to painting my home!)

[@ProfessionalPainterDecorator]

Hi. Have you seen my other videos on painting uPVC? You'll put two top coats of exterior eggshell on the door, so either exterior Mid tones or Dark tones will be fine... DeNimes is quite dark isn't it? I did it on kitchen units a few years ago. Look ace. Clean down your door well and give a light sand with a scotch Brite pad to scratch the surface slightly... Then put a grip primer coat on first.. Zinsser 123 Plus, would be ideal. Let That dry then you can put the f&b exterior Uc on.

[@benpascall4297]

If David Brent was in the painting and decorating trade….

[@sheena9090]

Haha so true 😄 #wellspotted

[@mrbullfinch]

I was just about to post that exact sentence 😮

[@marcusdance5068]

Been using farrow and ball for over 30 years I'm sure the emulsion was better back then, ie. Covered in two coats . When I customer is thinking about using Farrow and ball on the walls, I say right you need farrow and ball base coat which about £60 then 2 coats of colour 3 coats in total which will be more in Labour. They usually go for a copy probably in Johnstone's about £50 or another make . Farrow and ball only work on this system .

[@ProfessionalPainterDecorator]

F&B have full fully waterbase since 2010. I bet it has changed... Go back thirty years and we used to laugh at it as a Mickey Mouse DIYer paint. Now... It's another level. If a customer is wanting it and will pay.. I've no issues using it.

[@asmahsarwar7851]

Hi, I am painting my internal doors which are at the moment mahogany colour & I am trying to paint white now. Have used Zinsser primer ( red tin ) & wondering should I use Farrow & Ball on top or no ? And which paint finish should I use ? Any help would be highly appreciated. Thanks

[@ProfessionalPainterDecorator]

Hi. If you're now happy it's been cleaned down, primed with BIN, use F&b UC then two top coats of the f&b eggshell.. estate.. or the more hard wearing Modern Eggshell... That's a lovely sheen finish and no so dry looking.

[@richardmcdougall233]

I did a large barn conversion, told customer know well that's going to be £500 extra labour 1 extra coat and material cost over Johnstone match. The Johnstone match spot on l actually painted the samples on different pieces paper and tricked customer for a few moments into seeing how it's just a mind trick.. The customer laughed and said oh well what's £500. Just go with the F n B 😂

[@ProfessionalPainterDecorator]

amen :)

[@carforumwanker]

Impossible to match . F&B has chalk based colour . JOhnstone is acrylic . only poor clients/decorators will say it matches !

[@waynethompson4453]

Farrow and ball vs the new dulux heritage any thoughts please?

[@ProfessionalPainterDecorator]

£35 different... On emulsion. F&B Modern emulsion very good. Modern eggshell very good. Velvet Matt... They say they don't recommend in kitchen) bathroom environments.. whereas F&b is fine.

[@waynethompson4453]

@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator thankyou for your reply I know f&b is pricey but I'm just after quality. I'm soon to be painting my cottage all new plaster all the woodwork is oilled oak so only need emulsion 👍

[@ProfessionalPainterDecorator]

@@waynethompson4453 do the correct procedure... f&b Wall/ceiling primer. Use estate emulsion on ceilings for a flat finish. Modern emulsion for a wipeable harder wall finish. You'll pay a bit more for emulsion buy in the bigger scheme of things is not loads more to get the colour and finish you want... And for how long it will last... You'll be happier longer.

[@waynethompson4453]

@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator so you would recommend the primer for new plaster over water in the first coat?

[@ProfessionalPainterDecorator]

@@waynethompson4453 f&b wall and ceiling primer is cheaper ;)... It can be used for new plaster as well Keeping with the system, use the right base for the top colour you'll go for.

[@iloveanimals1964]

Thankyou 👏🏻👌🏻

[@ProfessionalPainterDecorator]

You’re welcome 😊

[@rnarno]

So I came to the UK from Toronto in 2015 and when I used F&B first time, it was pain and frustrating because most of the f&b paint needed 3-4-5 coats! Now I good paint should always be 2 coats strictly, no more, otherwise you get into problems with guessing how many coats will need which leads getting trouble with labour, material pricing etc. In Canada if you paint a black or very dark wall back to white, it is 1 coat white primer, 2 coats white finish paint. Any other situation 2 coats!! With F&B in 2015 was if you painted a dark colour on a freshly mist coated wall, it took 3-4 coats to fully cover which is absolutely nonsense and unacceptable. It was due to poor pigment, poor paint. So I agreed with many painters that F&B being the most expensive paint in UK is poor quality! However as a professional painter you need to keep up with trend and paint quality each year since thankfully these paint companies spend time and money into improving their products and important to always give the best advice to your customers based on the current market. Happy to say that using F&B each year finally I can say that in 2020-2021 it got to a level where most colours you get away with 2 coats and get full opacity on walls. Paint improved drastically in a good way and finally can use it without any worry, especially because Farrow and Ball has the best colour palette which suits the most for British styled homes. My point is that at the beginning of your video you should ve stated that Farrow&Ball was poor but they improved so people who hated it back in a days, give it another try because the paint did change each year! Otherwise great video, keep up the good work!

[@ProfessionalPainterDecorator]

have you tried the wall & Ceiling primer coat that they advise to put on first?

[@rnarno]

@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator I only use their undercoat if it is necessary. Let’s say if you paint freshly plastered walls, mist coated so they are white, buy any wall paint, it should be 2 coats no less no more. If it is more, then the paint is poor. If you have to apply a separate undercoat from the same colour as the finish paint will be, then this brand definitely not worth buying for tradesman and or for customers, to pay a higher price for the paint and then they have to pay more for labour to get it done, that would be absolutely nonsense. In Canada the better, more expensive paint you get, the less work you actually have to do. And that is how it is make sense. Benjamin Moore is one of the best there, after 1 coat it is 95% opacity so the second coat just makes it perfect. And that paint cost $80-90 per tin. You should only use primer/ undercoat if the surface requires for sticking reason, or if you paint colours like yellow, red, orange, neon green etc. Or if you swapping deep-light colours. And by the way, if next time your sprayer cannot keep the pressure, try to replace the silicone rings, you can buy the pack for a few £. I had exactly same issue with two of my graco and it was serviced by graco but spent a fortune for it.

[@ProfessionalPainterDecorator]

@@rnarno morning. The GXff I've been told doesn't have a service kit like that to swap rings, hence it has the pump exchange system. Since cleaning the rings and oiling the shaft it does seem better. I'll let you know how I get on. I think with f&b, if you have new plaster you'd wash coat with their wall and ceiling primer coat... In the correct 'tone' for the main colour that's going to be applied. Then two coats should cover. As with a lot of paint, if it's a vast difference in colour change, you can find three coats are required. A lot of White paint in the UK doesn't cover like it did. Cheap, false opacity paints all seem to cover well, but aren't hard wearing enough and you know it's false opacity if you splash water on it, it goes a grey colour and you can wipe it off with a damp sponge. Something that doesn't happen with f&b paint.

[@rnarno]

@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator yup, 100% agreed., wash coat can be done in the correct tone, thats an option too. And yes F&B is definitely hard wearing. Oh I see, my gx21 doesn’t seem to have the o ring repair kit either but they said they changed some rubber rings to prevent leak, that’s why pressure dropped. Apparently they didn’t change the pump kit…

[@carforumwanker]

Buy Dulux heritage paint and mix in 3 large table spoons of chalk powder per 5 litres . Or any white filler etc . Mix it super well . You get the same effect

[@ProfessionalPainterDecorator]

Sounds great! Why bother with Heritage, save money and just buy cheap contract matt.

[@carforumwanker]

@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator posheness factor !

[@ProfessionalPainterDecorator]

love it lol

[@Nickpaintbrush]

Theres nothing wrong with F&B paint except the price, Macphersons Eclipse is a great finish for ceilings, no flashing!

[@ProfessionalPainterDecorator]

oh it is, but a false opacity paint that wipes off on your sponge when you're paper hanging and when you may need to clean ay paste off.. the paint comes off too. We used to use it cus its good for not flashing. we'll use AR2 now which is a lot better for not coming off on a damp sponge.

[@Nickpaintbrush]

@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator Ok thanks

[@shokdj1]

I always thought fb looks alright, better than Dulux, Dulux is more convenient, but a try to avoid using Dulux on a large ceiling

[@ProfessionalPainterDecorator]

Have you tried Tikkurila AntiReflex2 for ceilings... The game changer.

[@shokdj1]

@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator yeah used it and will say I'm not disappointed with the results. I only use this now days on my jobs

[@Rex-s3d]

Listen to iwona phil 😆

[@ProfessionalPainterDecorator]

She does speak really nice doesn't she :D

[@andyhedges5705]

Why the hate for F&B?

[@ProfessionalPainterDecorator]

I'm not sure, I have a thought on it on another video... kzbin.info/www/bejne/mGnLlJ9pbrJqZpI

[@marsdencarl89]

You hear that all you lovely people you should of been listening to "phil"

[@ProfessionalPainterDecorator]

I only listen to lovely people Carl ;)

[@marsdencarl89]

@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator I must admit I do like the opacity of f&b and the coverage is good but I think I personally prefer little greene myself

[@davidsmalley8783]

75% extra on material cost on your job is enough to put joe average off immediately Not knocking the gear it’s good stuff Wealthy customers don’t get wealthy by chance

[@ProfessionalPainterDecorator]

Add a few quid extra on your hourly rate and that will make back a 20% materials profit ;)

[@MEVD2011]

Hello gorgeous 😂😂

[@ProfessionalPainterDecorator]

Why thank you .

[@MEVD2011]

@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator your most welcome 😂😂

[@williamwinsor7376]

She forgot to mention that the colors are limited by the spectrum.

[@ProfessionalPainterDecorator]

in what way? By means of just what colours they do?

[@williamwinsor7376]

@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator no it’s a joke about a woman who couldn’t find a color that she wanted by a shop owner.

[@TryDiy]

If you want a non heard-wearing expensive paint heres it is.

[@ProfessionalPainterDecorator]

Which one?

[@paulinebarlow8395]

Tool

[@ProfessionalPainterDecorator]

Tnx for watching 0.002p each time ;)

[@clintmannion5598]

Total rip off but if that is what the customer wants ive no problem using it

[@ProfessionalPainterDecorator]

rip off compared to what though?

[@clintmannion5598]

@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator Well u are promoting farrow and ball paint so u wont have a bad word said about the stuff over prices garbage flat matt paint may as well put a bob standard contract matt on the walls every painter i know hates the stuff and if they use it they get it mixed in Johnstones flat matt