The Moorgate Tube Crash | A Short Documentary | Fascinating Horror

[@xavquinlan481]

The main theory behind Newson’s accident is that of an “absence seizure” in which you stare out to space for a few seconds, just like Leslie was to have reported of done before he crashed, and had done two times,before as had been reported by his work colleagues.

[@jhfdhgvnbjm75]

It seems the most likely, his profile is practically a textbook none suicide candidate, its a shame as he (and the others too) clearly had so much to live for.

[@LordDrystan]

No joke, found out I was gluten intolerant because I was having my brain scanned to see if I was having absence seizures to explain my constant absent staring. Turns out I wasn't, but the doctor brought up gluten intolerance to explain my feeling I'll eating spaghetti and my stunted growth for 4 years. Weird seeing absent seizures brought up again

[@displayer6023]

Wouldn't he have had time to stop the train if absent seizures only last for a few seconds?

[@katiemusgrove228]

I think they can last longer than a few seconds, but I might be wrong

[@lumindoesvideos]

@@displayer6023 they can sometimes last a lot longer than a few seconds. I used to have a classmate that had them and they sometimes could last for a minute or two.

[@chocolatechip12]

It's a disgrace that the driver lived his whole life as an exemplary worker and member of society, and the media blasted him as a mass murderer without any consideration. Even someone who committed the act deliberately would have flinched at the final moment. He didn't. I believe he was physically unable to move due to a medical event.

[@harrynicholes3166]

The media is a business. Negativity sells. Even in 1975.

[@konayasai]

@@harrynicholes3166 There's plenty of negativity to be had here without smearing the dead. The media should have focused their blasting on the lack of safety features preventing this sort of thing. I guess the media was too cowardly to attack a live target.

[@mbryson2899]

Some British media has a penchant for sensationalizing stories at the expense of individuals. I suspect that once the system failures came to light they mainly ignored that aspect because it would be critical of the railway company, and that company had they money to fight back.

[@DOSeater]

@@harrynicholes3166 some things never change

[@evegreenification]

Agreed. Just generally, one thing I would like to see more of in the world is "has this person generally been a good joe? ok, then maybe we can skip over some of the hating and keep their record in mind"

[@johannacxiii]

If the unexpected seizure theory is correct, this is a tragedy in the truest sense of the word. No error, no negligence, just plain old bad luck. Any other type of seizure would've triggered the dead man's switch.

[@singenstattatmen5096]

Except for the train guard, who wasn't mentioned in this video but could be seen and read about in one of the newspaper excerpts shown. Apparently, he was reading a newspaper instead of Manning his station, where he could have applied the emergency brake. But yes, still all in all a true tragedy.

[@ottovonbasedmark]

Exactly my thoughts. Most of the disasteds featured on this channel were caused by negligence, profit over people or mistakes of single individuals. This one right here would be a textbook tragedy, because apparently nobody is at fault

[@johannacxiii]

@@singenstattatmen5096 Yikes! That's an important detail...

[@MrJebudu]

Considering how in this case the driver, a human, was a single point of failure that separated a normal day from disaster, you could count this one as being caused by organisational negligence, poor system design, poor/not performed risk assessment. This disaster started long before Mr. Newson set foot in the cab.

[@davidjones332]

@@singenstattatmen5096 There have been other accidents on railways where a guard realises a driver is going too fast, but hesitates to use his brake, perhaps thinking the driver will realise his error, or worried he will annoy his colleague by slamming on the brake. It only takes a couple of seconds hesitation and it's too late.

[@luvondarox]

I appreciate the fact that you never seen to use the word "impossible." "Vanishingly unlikely" is the closest I think I've heard you get to "impossible," but you always leave room for Chaos, just in case.

[@kriscook2423]

I like how you used 'leave room for chaos'. I believe that is the most fitting way to include the inexplicable. I shall have to remember that for the future. Beautiful wording.

[@SeventhSwell]

Chaos finds a way.

[@stuartmiller7419]

"Vanishingly unlikely" actually translates as 'becoming more likely.' Increasing improbable.

[@chrishansenbiz]

@@SeventhSwell Chaos is the way with us somehow managing to keep things in edorr .

[@rameyzamora1018]

@@stuartmiller7419 Yup, you're right. Shoulda been "vanishingly likely." Or "the chances are vanishingly small of this happening again."

[@ukman8192]

A few additional points re Leslie Newson taken from the comments on other KZbin Videos about the crash: 1) He was a survivor of the horror of Dunkirk and also had the traumatic experience of being next to an artillery gun when it misfired, leaving him permanently deaf in one ear. 2) Not too long prior to the crash he had been assaulted and hit several times on the head while coming to the aid of a lone female passenger who was being attacked by another passenger 3) That section of the underground was known to be extremely monotonous and he had started his runs early that morning. 4) When the crash occurred, he made no attempt to shield his face or take any instinctive (albeit futile) protective action. 5) There were well established safety features available that London Underground could have installed which would have stopped the train. Direct quote from the investigating official after the crash (Nationwide BBC TV Programme after the report was published) - “I can see no reason why London Transport should have anticipated an accident of this type to occur. And certainly, there is no justification for spending money to prevent accidents that haven't happened" 6) The solid wall at the very end of the tunnel was painted black and had no lighter/white paint pattern that would have made it obvious the tunnel was ending I have no medical training whatsoever, but my personal view is that he had some kind of brain/epileptic seizure possibly brought on by a combination of some or all of the following: Tiredness and mind wandering meaning the flashing of the work-lights in the tunnel as he passed by possibly triggered an epileptic type seizure or a PTSD trance type reaction linked to nighttime artillery gun flashes, the effects of being hit around the head from the assault. In any case, RIP to all those who dies including Mr. Newson and praise also to all the emergency responders involved.

[@filanfyretracker]

#3 makes me wonder if train operators can suffer from white line fever. I dunno if this term exists in the UK but another term for it is Highway Hypnosis. If you have ever driven while tired/fatigued and gone miles and do not remember those miles that is a form of it.

[@XDrZaneX]

@@filanfyretracker You can also fall asleep. I'm very prone to it at night, so I don't drive at night.

[@kspen6110]

@@filanfyretracker this has happened to me multiple times over my 55 years. I'll be driving listening to music and all of the sudden it's like I snap out of something. I hadn't lost consciousness. But I'll think "wow, I'm already at such and such street. I don't remember going past the shopping center or whatever". I never really thought about it before.

[@kspen6110]

This theory and info from other channels does make sense. Hits to the head are something to take seriously.

[@TheTruthKiwi]

Thanks for the added info UK Man, those previous distressing experiences could have certainly affected Mr Newson. I can't imagine the horrors the survivors and rescue personell experienced. A terrible tragedy indeed.

[@KittySheep]

There are seizures a person can experience without ever realizing it. I get seizures caused by light patterns that "trap" my focus to whatever the source, like falling down a hole made of light. I can't drive because there are several models of brake lights that do this to me. I have to wonder if he had experienced seizures before, but didn't know what it was, and that might be why he was so careful about being a good operator? No use speculating, I know. But it's sad to think he might've tried being proactive over something he couldn't control.

[@WardyLion]

On another video a comment from someone who said he was a former Tube worker suggested a condition like yours may have been a factor. Apparently the lights in the tunnels were on due to maintenance works (usually they are kept off) and that the train passing these lights may have created a flashing / hypnotic effect that caused an involuntary “lockout” in Mr. Newsome, hence his appearing to be awake but un-moving. Some have said that, in some cases like these, the person is awake and aware but unable to move or react. If this was the case, I cannot imagine how mortifying it must have been to see that wall rushing up, knowing you and many others on the train are about to die and being able to do absolutely nothing about it.

[@NWOWCW4Life1]

@@WardyLion Sounds like that is the most likely reason. Either it was cost by a seizure or something else medically wise. It’s still very tragic and absolutely had to be horrible especially in those final moments..unable to do anything as the train speeds on to impact hard.

[@WardyLion]

@@NWOWCW4Life1 It had to be something like that. If he just lost concentration then the jolt of the train going over the crossover track just outside the station and / or the sudden light should have snapped him out of it. Plus he was familiar with the route and was conscientious so it had to be something more severe. The Daily Mail pushed the suicide theory hard but apparently the “journalist” who wrote the story lost his father in the crash so it was heavily biased (surprise, surprise) and many, myself included, consider it to be bunk.

[@youtubeenjoyer1399]

Thats wild, your condition sounds almost like you get hypnotized.

[@MEATBALLMAN3200]

Reading this comment, this particular seizure seems interesting since the tunnel had a bright red light at the end, so I wonder if that caused the seizure.

[@virginiaviola5097]

Definitely a medical event of some kind. Poor guy. Buying his daughter a car, looking forward to his next cuppa, and curtains. Kudos to the incredible emergency services responders working in those conditions, the ever stalwart Brits and their ‘don’t panic’ composure and condolences to all who were injured or lost loved ones. A very sad accident.

[@lwalker8785]

My hat is off to the first responders. It's likely many of them would have suffered from PTSD after attending such a horrific incident.

[@evelynwilson1566]

The reactions of both those inside the train and their rescuers were really impressive, especially given the conditions. I think people are generally goodhearted and will try to help in those sorts of situations

[@zxxDarkLightxxz]

Yeah it doesn't really sound like a man who considers suicide. Especially the buying his daughter a car part. Sounds like she meant a lot to him, and he wouldn't have let her down/traumatized her. So yes I think you are right.

[@lizb4156]

@@zxxDarkLightxxz If you were suicidal you wouldn't not do it because of buying a car. Trivialising it!

[@zxxDarkLightxxz]

@@lizb4156 maybe you are right. I just wouldn't think he would let his daughter down. It wasn't a car for himself so. But what do I know. I don't know the man obviously

[@Karen-dm5lb]

The driver was taking notes on a notepad on steps to improve on being a careful driver with him & people dare to think he did it on purpose? He likely had a medical emergency I feel. If the company wants to blame someone, blame the security for not being in place to set the Emergency Brake

[@LittleKitty22]

Exactly! I'm the same type of person, always taking notes to improve my performance at work. Conscientious people are mentally stable, not raving lunatics. Very true that such companies always blame the person who cannot defend himself. Very true that is!

[@krisztianpovazson4535]

Plot twist: he was busy taking notes.

[@Karen-dm5lb]

@@krisztianpovazson4535 With his hand still on the lever ? I think not

[@0210mick]

@@Karen-dm5lb that was a joke.

[@novamarpo3]

@@0210mick And quite an obvious one at that.

[@ARSENALGeared]

This one's been gaining exposure recently. I'm pretty sure the reason for it was a combination of an undiagnosed/sudden onset medical condition of the operator and the security guard not being at his station to prevent the crash.

[@terminusaquo1980]

One theory is that the driver had a Transient Ischemic Attack (TIA) which left him unable to slow the train. That seems to fit as the driver was, apparently, staring straight ahead and made no attempt to slow down.

[@dfuher968]

Agreed. And made worse by lack of security features/maintenance. I have always felt, that Mr. Newson was a convinient scapegoat for the company to avoid owning up to all the deficiencies. Helped along by the fact, that while today several medical conditions have been found and described, that would explain Mr. Newson appearing conscious but unmoving to the ppl on the platform, these conditions were unknown in the 70s. However, I have never understood, why Mr. Newson was so fully blamed, while the security guard apparently got off without any blame or condemnation, when he was provably not at his station in violation of several safety rules, and had he been at his station to apply the emergency brake, the train wouldve stopped in time. Also, the inconsistency in blaming Mr. Newson, coz if he intended to deliberately crash the train, he would have to count on the security guard to be away from his station, or it wouldnt work, which to a stickler for the rules, as Mr. Newson clearly was, would be unthinkable. The case for Mr. Newson deliberately crashing the train never made any logical sense at all for those reasons and so many others, and it could only be argued by cherrypicking certain facts and ignoring everything else, letting the security guard (who survived) off the hook and willfully ignoring any other (much more likely) possibilities. Which all fits with a company eager to place blame elsewhere and escape scrutiny. And who easier to blame than the deceased operator. With enough cherrypicking and twisting of facts ofc.

[@ARSENALGeared]

@@dfuher968 I never considered that! You raise very good points!

[@theBusManiac]

@@dfuher968 Also is suspicious the secret files which aren't allowed to be seen for I can't remember how many years. I watched another documentary where LU saying they took the brake system off this train and fitted in another train and worked perfectly. I don't believe that seeing the state of the carriages that they could just do that. I suspect a cover up by LU more likely.

[@mushyroom9569]

It’s gaining exposure because this accident highlights the fallibility of humans and the importance of automation.

[@citisoccer]

I have epilepsy, and this sounds like a seizure. Most people think all seizures are drop on the floor and seize over and over, but those are actually far from the most common type. This, to me, sounds like a hard aura or an absence seize. Aura is kinda the beginning of the seizure, and for many people, it allows you a few seconds to find somewhere to sit or something. However, aura can also be the entire seizure, and for me, they freeze me in place. I'm there, I'm awake, but I will not respond to the world around me. Closest comparison I can give is the feeling of DejaVu, that slow creeping feeling of cold that crawls over you and freezes you, as your mind tries to sort out "has this happened before?". It freezes me, and I fall into that moment of reset in my head because my mind can't sort it out. Usually only lasts a minute, maybe 2, but I'm useless as a poopy flavored lollipop for that moment of time.

[@jenniferryersejones9876]

Love your vivid description of uselessness! I vote that every dictionary should change the definition of 'useless' to yours!

[@Firevine]

I've had one seizure like that in my life, and it was terrifying. Fully awake and aware and _zero_ control over my actions, which, just so happened to be seizing up and falling off a gurney while cognizant enough to be thinking "what on earth is happening?"

[@drtyboy]

I had epilepsy in my childhood, and those were exactly the same seizures i tended to have. Completely zoned out while sitting there staring off into space.

[@xxferalfreakxx]

I have PNES's (psychogenic non-epileptic seizures) and I have those exact same seizures. I can feel them creeping up on me (I think that's the "aura" that people with seizures say they have, I'm new to all of this), but I have very little time to react before the seizure itself hits me. Suddenly, I can't move or talk or anything. I can only look around in fear and confusion and twitch my fingers and toes. It takes all of my energy and focus to very slowly move just a limb, up to the point where I have to hold my breath to do anything. Most attacks last a minute or two, but I've had an attack that lasted for over 20 minutes, and I only know that because I video-recorded it. My sense of time was heavily warped during the actual attack. It's all terrifying

[@spacemama]

My coworker has epilepsy and he describes his seizures as periods of confusion and nonsensical statements. If something irritates him enough he'd have a string of them in a day. He also doesn't drive because of it. Which sucks when you live in a city with whack public transportation 🙄

[@rainecormier2935]

I always wondered if it was a seizure that caused him to lock up, gripping the dead man's stick. He seemed like such a normal guy with plans to go home at the end of the day, and he was castigated so hard by the press before anyone could even figure out what happened. One of those odd mysteries we just can never have the answer to. 💁‍♂️

[@DaveSCameron]

That's most likely indeed especially the clasping of the so-called Dead Man's Stick!

[@harrynicholes3166]

It's possible.

[@matthewmccoy7437]

it would make the most sense in my opinion. there’s countless stories of people having seizures while driving and their leg gets locked into place on the accelerator causing the vehicle to uncontrollably gain speed

[@deederange]

@@matthewmccoy7437 My mom had a TIA while driving and hit another car. Fortunately no serious injuries.

[@arcticdream4905]

Or he was a brother against nato: guided by allah.

[@dmitryivanova481]

My father was the fireman who recovered Mr Newsome’s remains from the cab after cutting for three days in sweltering heat. He had to give evidence at the inquest, to this day he has nightmares and PTSD from this incident.

[@arcticfoxinsox]

Jesus, really?

[@dmitryivanova481]

@@arcticfoxinsox indeed, yes. He served in the LFB for 18 years. I remember as a child he would breathe in his sleep as though using a charcoal respirator. This was usually an indication that he was reliving some awful event from his days in the Fire Service. Whenever we asked him what the nightmare was about, the recurring theme was cutting through to the cab with a torch and recovering Leslie's body. He often described to us the sweltering heat built up in the tunnel due to the cutting torches. He still gets upset when discussing it to this day.

[@arcticfoxinsox]

@@dmitryivanova481 Bloody hell man, that’s mental. He’s a hero for doing that though

[@Megalon-qc8pf]

Wow

[@r.j.penfold]

I hope he's doing well

[@pj9615]

This reminds me of the Glasgow bin lorry accident in 2014. The driver fainted due to a drop in blood pressure, which had happened to him before but he hadn't warned his employer, the city council that he was a risk when driving. 6 people died and 15 were injured. I was there because it happened right next to the Christmas market and my family was waiting in line to ride the Ferris Wheel.

[@Rammstein0963.]

Vasovagal Syncope, I knew someone with that condition, and she could literally be standing there talking to you, only to drop like a puppet with it's strings cut, with NO warning.

[@bigdoug1558]

I've had that happened to myself and it's frightening coming to laying on the ground.

[@xr6lad]

@@bigdoug1558 I remember once being out for lunch with a work colleague at a pizza joint. No joking, somewhat funny now (only due to the scenario) but I came too face down in the pizza in front. I ‘just’ lost consciousness- has happened a handful of times in my 56 years but never anything diagnosed.

[@glenjones6980]

I can't ever think of Glasgow as an accident, although the previous medical episodes only came to light during the inquiry the driver obviously knew beforehand and it was all preventable. I can understand his motivation as it would affect his employment and finances but it's just not worth it. I wish I could say lessons were learned and procedures changed after Glasgow but that sadly isn't the case. I had a medical problem in 2018 and voluntarily gave up driving HGV's even though I was still passed as medically fit. From my initial collapse to my licence being revoked took 20 months, during that time I had 6 heart attacks but retained my licence and legally could have got back behind the wheel. It would have been so easy to continue with the same employer, move to a different company or sign on with an agency as I had a valid licence all along. The risk wasn't worth it yet the safety of myself and other road users hinged around me being the one to inform the DVLA of the problem. Despite everything that was happening I was still able to pass the medical until the DVLA ordered and paid for a specific test that is far beyond anything the standard medical requires. They only asked for that as I informed them of each heart attack as they happened. Yes by law I was required to do so but it would have been so easy to 'forget' to do so and they would have no idea there was a problem and the risks it posed. Given the time period the train crash featured occurred, the medical knowledge of the time and the nature of absent seizures I doubt the train driver had the same options I had, by their very nature he wouldn't be aware of them as they happened and the result was devastating. My heart goes out to those who were affected but Glasgow wasn't an accident and more needs to be done to avoid a repeat of that day.

[@allisonday893]

@@abcdefg3315 yes he behaved appallingly. He knew he had the medical condition and did not disclose it. He was a walking timebomb and to show no remorse is unforgivable

[@brandoncole5533]

Genuinely can't believe people managed to stay calm after being flung a few feet so suddenly Props to them for being able to keep their cool

[@jhfdhgvnbjm75]

Many of them had been through the war, it was a very different mentality, one we could do with learning from as panic is often the biggest problem :(

[@elizabethtrudgill3567]

That's the British mentality for you. No matter the situation, stay calm until you're safe. Panicking helps no one.

[@mrkipling2201]

The stiff upper lip mentality. We could do with a bit more of it nowadays.

[@Coltnz1]

“after being flung a few feet” You do realise that heads and limbs were severed in the impact?

[@lollybowser]

Have you seen that video of the british man whose car crashes and spins around and he exits carefully like "well that was scary". Brits are usually very rational in situations like this.

[@arneb23]

I just wanted to pipe in with huge appreciation for the constant, consistent closed captions that you have on your channel. Your captions don't vary from what you state, they're appropriately timed, and you have them on every single video you post. Yours is the only channel of your kind that I've binged the entire catalogue of for precisely this reason-I have trouble hearing and it makes me happy to be able to understand every single video you post! Thank you for your concise and researched videos! I look forward to Tuesday each week to see what you have for us next!

[@basbleupeaunoire]

I agree. I also use captions, and I always appreciate when care has been taken.

[@OffBeatLondon101]

I'm surprised that more channels don't do this. I have always added captions to all my videos and then checked the timing afterwards. It doesn't take much effort and it helps with the yotube algorithm as well.

[@bulletsfrank]

yes this!! i appreciate it as someone who is rapidly losing their hearing. such a blessing to have

[@kathyjones1576]

I've only just recently heard of absence seizures. When you said people saw him sitting motionless, staring straight ahead, I wondered if that's what it was. I'm glad they came to that conclusion, and at least somewhat exonerated him. I am familiar with seizures in dogs. Working in a vet clinic, I've taken care of several dogs who are epileptic. One of my own dogs is epileptic. Another one had a brain tumor that caused seizures. Although I haven't seen an absence seizure in a dog, I've heard people talk about their dog suddenly going still, and they couldn't get their attention for a couple minutes. So apparently even dogs can have absence seizures.

[@ktkat1949]

I only heard of absence seizures two weeks ago when my friend's husband had one. He was sitting having tea and suddenly just froze staring into space, not moving, no responding etc. He was taken to the hospital given all kinds of tests etc and nothing was found wrong with him and so they concluded it was an absence seizure.

[@kriegenjoyer6913]

i have something similar a every know and then when i just space out

[@evil1by1]

My dog had cluster seizures and would have absent seizures preceding grand mal clusters, he didn't tend to do it with petite mal. He would just freeze often at a wall and just stare. If bumped into you could knock him down. He would seem to come out of it but was disoriented and non responsive then would go into a grand mal within minutes.

[@kathyjones1576]

@@evil1by1 I'm so sorry. My little one doesn't have cluster seizures, but he can tell when one is starting. He knows I'll hold him, so he runs to me and I can tell by the look in his eyes that a seizure is about to start. I grab a blanket, wrap him up tight, and just hold him until it's over.

[@michelletrimmer7963]

My dog has absence seizures. It is how I know her meds need adjusting. My vet figured her out. She took her to her home for a long weekend and was able to help her. My vet is amazing. She goes above and beyond. My dogs seizures began with a grand mal seizure.

[@dougobrien4877]

Another possibility is that he suffered a mild stroke. I worked with a colleague who wrecked two separate vehicles while on duty. He simply plowed into other vehicles at a stop light. It was later revealed that he suffered a mild stroke each incident. He had to retire on disability.

[@davidcox3076]

A good theory. A silent stroke could have had a similar effect to a seizure.

[@kvnvk8947]

I was scrolling through the comments to see if anyone mentioned the possibility of a stroke. About a decade ago I was driving home from work after a 17 hour shift and a little over halfway, while driving through the neighboring town, I was passed by a BNSF railway vehicle speeding and weaving across the highway into the oncoming lane of traffic. After calling 911 and tailing the truck at a safe distance for 12 tense, frightening miles (there were a few times it looked like there would be a head-on collision), he ended up plowing into the back of a UPS delivery truck at a stop light just a couple of blocks from where I lived at the time. There were already a couple of emergency vehicles on the scene ad I pulled into the gas station parking lot where they were to see if I needed to leave a statement since I had been on the phone with the 911 operator until the call was unexpectedly dropped, and that's when I found out the driver wasn't drunk, but had suffered a stroke.

[@arcticdream4905]

Or he was a brother against nato: guided by allah.

[@suki3275]

A stroke is actually something that should be pretty visible on an autopsy. Since they conducted one, I assume they did not find anything. Then again, I would understand if there was too much damage to the body to be certain.

[@nightowldickson]

Seizures definitely could be a possibility. In my company many years ago, a worker drove an airport baggage tractor through a bolted wire fence gate. Other workers in the area observed him holding onto the steering wheel with a blank look on his face with no reaction to what's ahead of him. The vehicle he drove never slowed down, and when it crashed through the gate he was ejected from the vehicle. Thankfully he was ok after the incident.

[@arcticdream4905]

Or he was a brother against nato: guided by allah.

[@HEDGE1011]

Thanks for covering this accident. Given his demeanor, excellent record, and conscious self-critique in an attempt to improve professionally, I cannot imagine this wasn’t a medical emergency of some sort.

[@watsmyu989]

Wait what you can comment with money?

[@duzehalo]

@@watsmyu989 you can! Money goes towards the creator of the channel you comment on. Another way to support creators :)

[@arcticdream4905]

Or he was a brother against nato: guided by allah.

[@alextaylor9778]

Video Recommendation: Granville Train Disaster. NSW, Australia. 84 people dead, after train derailed hit supports of bridge and bridge collapsed and crushed the carriages. There isn't much video online about this disaster that happened in Australia and would love to see one done by a great channel like this.

[@davvvvo]

Is that the one where the equipment belonging to rescue personnel was stolen

[@stevie-ray2020]

That incident occurred the January after I finished year 12! Along with poor track-maintenance, the significant factors in the disaster was that when the bridge was built the deck was a metre below the road-level, so their solution was simply to add a metre of concrete on top, meaning that all that weight instantly crushed the old wooden carriages & the passengers inside when the locomotive hit the steel supports!

[@Nothingness00000-o]

Yes please!! My mother had missed that train by a couple of seconds that day!!

[@alextaylor9778]

@@davvvvo I don't think it is known for its theft issues it had but i did hear that apparently some tools, medical supplies and fire fighters equipment, as well as personal items and such where stolen but it was mainly small incidents. the thing that slowed the rescue was a gas leak meaning the tools were useless anyway. still for those couple of incidents it was mainly a lot of good hearted people trying to help. From my recollection of the story anyway. it would be interesting to see what someone could dig up.

[@Nothingness00000-o]

If anyone is interested, there is a 3hr miniseries/documentary called 'The Day of the Roses' about the Granville disaster. You can watch it on KZbin. I'm watching myself at the moment. Edit: it's a hard watch guys, simply devistating 😭.

[@Ozymandias1]

You did not cover the actions of Bob Harris, the train guard who abandoned his post in the rear carriage to look for a newspaper to read. Had he stayed at his post and applied the emergency brakes the crash would not have happened

[@michellecollins290]

I’ve noticed that Bob Harris hardly gets mentioned at all in most stories about this case. Strange.

[@georginabensley9453]

What coverage I can find mentions that he was officially cleared of any responsibility and suggests that, given the speed with which everything happened, he would not have been able to recognise the problem and stop the train in time even if he had been at his post. (Being at the back of the train, it would be harder to tell that it wasn't slowing down at the exact moment it should.) If that's accurate then that might be why people don't want to mention him and add extra negative attention.

[@cerneuffington2656]

A guards job was to open and close the doors. On that stock of trains, if the guard had been standing in his correct position, his head would have been above the door window. So it would have been difficult for him to see and judge where the train was in the station.

[@MattDavis_BeechingsGhosts]

for the time taken to realise that an overshoot was happening and to get to the emergency brakes (this was not within his role), the train would have already stopped.

[@DaleDix]

Guards have different duties on different trains

[@jackzimmer6553]

When I was a child I was diagnosed with petite mal epilepsy whose episodes were similar but grew out of them as I got older. I was told that they normally affected young children. That accident is especially tragic that it happened to an operator who was very conscientious. Thanks for your weekly posts…look forward to each Tuesday!

[@princeofcupspoc9073]

As opposed to "petite morte," which is something completely different.

[@realAniram]

My youngest sibling had seizures they grew out of too; I don't remember the exact diagnosis but once when they were drinking they had one that lasted long enough to down the entire bottle of chocolate milk and ended up puking all it back up because they hadn't swallowed properly during the seizure. It was a scary few years because they would have those moments basically every half hour and they weren't ever aware during, which would be distressing for my sibling as well because to their mind they suddenly were a minute into the future and had someone yelling at them not to walk off the edge of a thing.

[@sr2172]

I had petite mal too. If I was reading a book I was just stop and stare at it. I still think I have it a bit because I zone out alot. Normally when I'm doing something monotonous. I've never heard anyone else say they had it, so thanks for that.

[@jackzimmer6553]

@@sr2172 Welcome! I don’t even remember the episodes. That was a long time ago.

[@yotsubafanfan]

My Mom had that too! She used to have seizures all the time as a toddler but now she's 50+ years without one.

[@markturner1970]

As a Londoner I've spent my life traveling on the Tube and I was 5 when this happened so it may have been the first disaster I remember hearing about. Its horrific how compacted the front carriage became.

[@seasmacfarlane6418]

I was a manager with London Transport and had to view the LFB's films of the recovery operation as part of my training. That was enough to disturb me, and it still does. What it was like for the firemen I couldn't begin to imagine. My deepest, deepest respect, thanks, and approbation to true heroes. I knew Lesie Newsons brother, who was a good and decent man, and though I didn't know Leslie, all accounts say he was, too. This was and still is an unexplained tragedy, and definitely not the fault of Leslie Newson. It's abhorrent that even now some people still besmirch his name by laying this terrible event at his feet. Let him rest in peace and dignity.

[@paulcowell7588]

As an ex motorman and later supervisor of moorgate station I can tell you when you were driving on a small section underground going backwards and forward many times early in the morning with tunnel lights flashing past your eyes every couple of seconds it can quite easily become hypnotic..if you add that on top of an existing medical condition, whether diagnosed or not it isn't difficult to see how how such an incident could occur. Motorman Newsome was definitely no suicide. RIP all involved.

[@stephcarlofc]

I've been binge watching your channel for the past six hours and I will say it's one one of the most solid YT channels out there. Keep up the good work!! 1M subscribers on the way. Another case I would suggest is the Rhythm Club Fire that happened in Natchez, Mississippi, USA on the 23rd of April, 1940, which 209 people died. It's the 4th deadliest club fire in US History.

[@westtnskirmishlog6820]

Great suggestion, man what a living nightmare to cover.

[@krystalsmith7195]

The sweet thing about binging this channel is that in six months you can do it all again

[@hamlet7959]

Lost a work colleague in the Moorgate disaster, we both worked nor far from Moorgate Station. I'll never forget that day, first the news of the crash, the continuous wail of ambulance and police sirens, the sudden realisation that he hadn't turned up for work that morning and that he used the Northern City Line to get to work. Then the long wait for news, we knew he regularly travelled in the front carriage so our hopes that he was just one of the injured were soon dashed. A very sad day only to be repeated in December 1988 when a number of my colleagues were caught up in the Clapham Junction Rail Disaster. None died this time but one was very seriously injured and I spent a very harrowing morning dealing with a hysterical wife, phoning round hospitals etc.

[@r.j.penfold]

Sorry for your loss and the loss of family members of the deceased. Glad no one passed in the second incident but still very scary.

[@LifeCrier1]

I'm really glad the seizure theory was mentioned. Seizures at the time we're so little understood that for many years the driver was blamed for the disaster since the dead man's switch wasn't disengaged and witnesses saw him 'awake' at the controls. If it wasn't as clear as a heart attack, no other "medical crisis" was really considered. We know better know. His family must have gone through hell because of it.

[@arcticdream4905]

Or he was a brother against nato: guided by allah.

[@jus10lewissr]

I'm not sure how to word this correctly or clearly, but I especially love how this channel gives information that we can all understand no matter which side of the world we're on. For example, he gives us kilometers AND miles instead of just one or the other, leaving some viewers unsure of the measurement being that they don't use that type where they live. It's not just with kilometers or miles but that's the easiest example I could think of. Things like that are greatly appreciated.

[@jus10lewissr]

Another example would be Celsius and Fahrenheit. Simple things like that may not seem like much to some people but I definitely appreciate when things of that nature are also calculated to where I can understand them. Some channels just use measurements that a lot of us aren't too familiar with in the US (and vice versa) and I typically have to look it up to better understand the story.

[@MrJoeyWheeler]

I just wish he'd prioritise the measurement of the country the incident happened in (I,e saying miles and then kilometers for the UK/US or metres and then miles for Europe)

[@jus10lewissr]

@@MrJoeyWheeler Yeah, that makes sense so I can definitely agree with that.

[@VoteZombie2012]

This channel is awesome and informative without being completely terrifying with the atmosphere. Keep up the great work. This channel is the best part of every week for me, and I find myself rewatching videos on your channel daily

[@neiloflongbeck5705]

What you are circling at the 10:05 mark is a trip cock, interlocked with signal 156 (hence the orange cable). These are automatically lowered when a signal indicate a proceed aspect, but should the pneumatic motor fail they are sprung loaded to return to the stop position. These have been in use on London Underground (LU) since before WW1. LU was already in the process of introducing speed control equipment, similarvin nature to the trip cock system already in place, at locations were lines ended in a tunnel after an accident involving an empty train at Tooting Broadway in 1971. By the time of the Moorgate Accident 12 of the 19 locations had been fitted with this equipment. After Moorgate in July 1978 an new system involving 3 trip cocks was introduced, with the first being at the entry pointwork to the platform, the 2nd at the start of the platform and the 3rd halfway down the platform. If the train's speedexceeds 12.5mph at any one of these then the emergency brake is applied. They also put resistors in the power supply to prevent trains accelerating into the platform, these are switched out for departures. Also there were changes to the signalling into dead-end platforms. Previously the preceding signal would show a green proceed aspect if the platform was clear and a yellow caution aspect if the platform was partially occupied. Afterwards the driver would see a yellow aspect if the platform was clear or red aspect with 2 white lights at 45 degrees if the platform was partially occupied if the signalman was giving permission to proceed.

[@crieverytim]

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[@cedarcam]

British Railways also changed the signalling into a dead end platform from a green aspect to a single yellow after this accident. Although I am sure in my mind the driver had some kind of seizure there was also the possibility of him thinking he was entering the previous station as that line had a similar approach to each station. British Rail had in the past had a driver become disorientated and only realised they were in a different location at the last moment.

[@PlainlyDifficult]

I personally think it was loss of situational awareness, this is very common amongst newly qualified drivers, Hence the higher than average SPAD and Overrun Figures in drivers with under 6 months experience. The difference here was there was no train protection system to stop the train. If there was (for example like the later installed Moorgate Protection System) it would have just been seen as a new driver fucking up and getting tripped. (On the Train stop by the Trip cock) The driver had a number of previous incidents of platform overruns leading up to the disaster. It's scary if you ever see the figures for LUL of how many similar Incidents were stopped by ATP, TBTC or TripCock Protection. Take WS35 on the Watford DC line, it's been SPAD'ed so many times, that if it weren't for the train protection system, the Law of averages would have meant at least one collision between a train on approach to Stonebridge Park and one on the Platform. That's my personal opinion, sadly we will never know.

[@nottelling8129]

Didn’t expect to see you here!

[@balanceofjudgement6136]

Very cool that you are out here supporting your fellow disaster content creators! Love both yours and FH's channels

[@throttlegalsmagazineaustra7361]

I think he'd over-run signals no more than twice previously.

[@LisaBowers]

I read this in your voice, John, lol. How would you rate this disaster on your legacy scale? Oh, I hope it's currently sunny and lovely in your Southeastern corner of the UK. 🌞🌼

[@Woodman-Spare-that-tree]

@@throttlegalsmagazineaustra7361 Third time lucky, then.

[@amyslingsby6947]

It absolutely sounds like seizure. Even if it wasn’t an absence seizure, it could have been tonic and his body couldn’t move so it kept holding the switch.

[@GMRay739]

Was the first thing that came to mind. All we know is that he didn't collapse & become atonic. Unfortunately, everything else is pure speculation, and based upon witness reports from people who will have only seen him for a split second, through a tiny window, from an angle... it's very poor that the media essentially decided the man killed himself & took others with him.

[@arcticdream4905]

Or he was a brother against nato: guided by allah.

[@markylon]

A dead man's handle does not require a grip it has to be physically pushed DOWNWARDS constantly and is designed that if you stop applying a downward pressure it will pop up and stop the train. If he were to LOCK UP his hand would NOT apply a downward pressure. If you try and push downwards even the slightest "snooze" would make your hand pop upwards.

[@katemakeuplooks]

@@markylonWhen you have a seizure, your muscles contract. For example in a tonic clonic seizure, your jaw clenches together (I know from experience). Therefore it’s completely the opposite to fainting, in which your muscles go weak. As someone who’s had a seizure, I can quite imagine how a contraction of hand muscles would cause a force on the dead man’s handle.

[@fadhilsyarif5374]

The 70s is crazy man.. I finished my homework 3 hours ago, and 3 hours later, I've watched more than 6 videos about horror and tragedy in the 70s

[@jane.c.c]

The 70's were actually nicer times than today imho..

[@minimm2013]

@@jane.c.c Save for the rash of serial killers and the satanic panic starting yeah, they really were better than today. And somehow this statement is both sarcastic and serious.

[@jane.c.c]

@@minimm2013 I dunno if it was the starting point of it all, or just the moment when everyone became more aware of it all. I know that I never felt threatened like I do today.. Had a ton of fun in the 70's

[@skapunkno1]

@@minimm2013 Whats the satanic panic?

[@princeofcupspoc9073]

The 70s were the worst. We survivors still have PTSD just from living through the decade.

[@RTDice11]

I can't thank you enough for these aftermath sections! The disasters themselves leave me feeling uneasy, but knowing that we're the beneficiaries of the lessons learned makes me very grateful.

[@dabbajay]

I’d be very interested to hear your take on the 2007 tiger attack at San Francisco Zoo. A combination of insufficient engineering and hostile behavior toward a wild animal led to 1 death and 2 maulings

[@sharynkhan1104]

Animals should not be kept in zoo's or captivity of any sort.

[@r.j.penfold]

@@sharynkhan1104 Okay time to release my dogs back into the wild then. And time for the zoos to release captivity-raised animals into the wild where they won't know how to survive. Animals that are born in zoos belong in zoos for their own safety, as you can't rehabilitate an animal that's never been in the wild. And what about endangered animals in zoos? Some of them are quite literally the last of their species and zoos are keeping them so they can start breeding programs to hopefully reverse the damage we've already caused. Yeah some zoos are shitholes but most zoos make sure animals can't escape. In fact, most of the keepers don't even get attacked by big predators. It's usually zebras or meerkats. Fucking OTTERS usually cause more chaos, and one keeper was disemboweled by an anteater (I don't know what led to the attack but anteaters are fucking blind and resort to violence, plus their claws are strong enough to break through concrete). You probably won't see or respond to this or read the wall of text but zoos can be extremely important to animal conservation and the idea that "no animal should be in captivity" not only endangers the animals themselves but human beings too.

[@MightyMezzo]

Another excellent video giving a concise account of an appalling event. I favor the seizure theory myself, simply because he was all set to have a last cup of tea and buy a car for his daughter after his shift. Recommendation: Take a look at the wreck of the “Congressional” train in Philadelphia on Labor Day 1943. My grandfather was a track supervisor at the time, and had to see about clearing the wreck.

[@arcticdream4905]

Or he was a brother against nato: guided by allah.

[@37372]

I was at this very station only a week ago. Nowhere is a good place for an accident but what a horrible, dark, confined space for such an awful event.

[@amberanntn]

My mom has those types of seizures that you described. I could definitely see how that could cause something like this.

[@tmntleo]

Would you ever do a video on the 7/7 tube bombings? I almost lost my mother and a friend who was on one of the buses that day but it feels like no one remembers it, despite it being called the "UK's 911" numerous times.

[@hotaru8309]

It's a small thing, but while I'm really glad you always show the names of the victims- I really appreciate when you read them as well.

[@twistedpear18]

I have to say, I am thoroughly impressed with the reaction of the survivors. Keeping calm in circumstances like this is unimaginable to me.

[@Chimp981]

You're also very gullible 🤡🥱🙄

[@Theyrecomingtogetyoubarbara]

If it was a seizure, how absolutely devastating it could be as a pure accident. Usually I’m always pretty suspicious about motives, but I think it’s pretty clear he didn’t intend to die that day and had a medical emergency of some kind which, had someone else been present, might have been resolved without anyone losing their lives. Everything he said and did was not of a man who intended to die. It’s tough though, you can imagine why 43 families must have felt differently.

[@theharshtruthoutthere]

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[@j.d.e.7416]

Seizures can have really tragic unintended consequences. I live in Southern California, land of swimming pools and jacuzzi spas/hot tubs. Our news reported one day that a man arrived home from to find the bodies of both his wife and child on the bottom of their (unheated) spa. It was concluded by authorities that, it being a warm day, she went outside with her baby to cool off by sitting in the spa, suffered a seizure, and they both slipped under the water and died. Just a doubly tragic accident.

[@benalowery]

Leslie Newson had in fact been a guard for almost all his time with the LU. He had only recently qualified as a motorman and I believe it was his examiner who said he was a slow but conscientious driver.

[@sdraper2011]

Well done as usual, FH. I always appreciate your positive follow up as to how after the accident things were changed for the better.

[@carrielange2692]

I witnessed my dad have a seizure and he'd never had one in his life. It was so weird and, at the time, we had no idea what was wrong with him. In the middle of a conversation, he just stopped and stared at me. After a few seconds, I questioned him. He just stared back. After a few more seconds of calmly questioning him, I started shouting, then shaking his shoulders. Then, I panicked. I would say the whole things lasted maybe one minute. Then, he blinked and finally started talking, but made no sense. He wasn't back to normal for a good 5 minutes. I was thinking "did he just have a stroke?" Took him to the hospital and they showed us on the brain scan where they could see the damage from the seizure he had. Dad had to start seizure meds and was told he couldn't drive for at least 6 months because something disastrous (like this incident) could happen. He never had any history of seizure, and it came from absolutely no where.

[@SarahB1863]

Wow, scary!! Did he ever have another seizure?

[@carrielange2692]

@@SarahB1863 no he never did, but the incident scared him so badly that he took the depakote for the rest of his life. That was the seizure medication they prescribed to him. They said once you have a seizure you're always at risk for having more. He said he was never afraid of anything more in his life than having another seizure, he was afraid it would happen when he was driving. He didn't remember the incident at all, yet influenced the rest of his life.

[@arcticdream4905]

Or he was a brother against nato: guided by allah.

[@r.j.penfold]

@@carrielange2692 holy shit I hope that you're doing alright after that. No doubt that event was also traumatic for you.

[@mided2119]

Very frightening.

[@DaveSCameron]

What an appalling tragedy, I was 6 at the time but until today knew nothing about this, so grateful once again FH and respects to all the families!

[@ElGato1947]

Another marvel of reporting by FH: clear, concise, precise, compelling, calmly delivered. Thank you for making Tuesday mornings fascinating.

[@99fruitbat94]

My late husband was a train driver for decades . Once whilst driving an empty freight train in the early hours of the morning he fell asleep , basically the overhead gantries semi hypnotized him . Flashing over and over. He came to just in time . Dead switch didn't kick in because he still kept his foot on it . Despite being basically out of it . Terrified him .

[@BunnyQueen97]

I love that the passengers all worked to keep each other calm, that's so important in such a precarious situation.

[@LittleKitty22]

This was without doubt one of the worst incidents on the tube, thank you for presenting this video in a respectful way. Whatever caused the driver to fail to react, we will never know but it is a tragedy in itself that speculations were running wild - until a few years ago actually - about him having been suicidal. A suicidal person would have flinched when approaching the buffer stops because the survival instinct takes over. I hope that the driver and all the other victims of this tragedy are resting in peace, and that his spirit knows that this was not his fault.

[@lancemckellar]

Thank you

[@pblack19141]

Thank you so much for telling the story od this tragedy. I find that your unbiased delivery is helpful. You Are Amazing.💝💝💝💝

[@ProfaneGod]

I suffer from seizures that when they happen all my limbs and muscles straighten and stiffen at full force he may have suffered from something similar which made it look like he was sitting up and eyes wide open with hands on the controls.

[@giadriana]

just dropping by to tell you that you are my favorite KZbin channel. been watching for months now and often rewatching video because I find your calm voice very relaxing even when discussing awful tragedy. I'd sleep to the videos if I weren't so sure I'd dream about the events described 😆 thank you for always being respectful, eloquent, and kind in your description of the events and their impact.

[@spencerific93]

I just watched Raven's Eye's video on this accident, and now yours. You both did a magnificent and respectful job of covering it. I'd never heard of this train accident before, especially being that I live across the pond. I'm glad the adoption of safety measures to prevent similar accidents were implemented in this case. All to often, nothing is changed after a tragedy.

[@abb1e_101]

Always watch these on my breaks on Tuesdays

[@DrywallJackson]

EDIT 2: My apologies!!! I was thinking of a Qxir video on the same topic this whole time. That explains why I was never able to find the original video on your channel. Please disregard everything below this edit!! since i can’t find anyone else mentioning it: thank you for redoing this video! i’ve been looking for it ever since you deleted the original from your channel EDIT: after finishing watching, i do sort of miss some of the more horrifying details that were in the original, like the terrifying account of some article of clothing form a rescuer being torn off by a mass of desperate hands reaching out from the rubble, and the amputation that had to take place right there on the train just to free a man and a woman whose bodies had become so tangled together in the crash

[@ItsPhyllis]

It sounds like a petite maul seizure. Causes like a 'lights are on but nobody's home' reaction. I had them growing up. I've walked into many walls.

[@Teverell]

My aunt lived in London and used to take this train to work... the only reason she wasn't in this accident was because she was feeling unwell that day and didn't go in. It's just such an awful thing to have happened - at least, as with other horrific accidents, things are safer because people have worked to prevent a similar accident ever occurring again.

[@theblackguytv9891]

I stumbled on your channel a few days ago and I've been watching every video you've posted since! I love your calm voice and the factual presentation along with the metric and imperial units of measure so everyone can follow along! Please keep up the amazing work!

[@iainbruce3376]

Interesting fact.. the isle of wight in the UK has been running the same class of underground train in regular passenger service as overground trains for many many years. The last one was taken out of service in 2021.

[@mtm4a]

With reference to the "automatic braking system" mentioned near the end of the video, I remember it being said at the time that, in nearly all other terminal stations on the network (i.e. the end of the line), such a fail-safe braking system had been installed. But, for some extraordinary reason, it was not thought necessary at a station such as Moorgate because it was concluded that no driver would risk over-running a station in the knowledge that they would hit a concrete wall. In other words, an automatic system would prevent trains from (harmlessly) over-shooting the end of a line where there were no obstructive barriers beyond, whereas a dead end with a concrete wall was not thought to be a risk, because they thought that drivers would never put themselves in such a position of over-running at a dead-end stop. Unbelievable logic, really.

[@mrkipling2201]

The old D stock. Brilliant trains. I’ve been to Moorgate many times and the memorial is very moving. Remembering what happened there.

[@benalowery]

This was 1938 stock, the D stock ran on the District line

[@mrkipling2201]

@@benalowery I thought so. I thought they showed a picture of a D stock train very quickly at the start, or near the start, of the video.

[@MicrowavedAlastair5390]

The first time I read about this, I flashed back to a children's book I'd read long before about how some people sometimes have these absence seizures. Disabilities like this are known as invisible disabilities- because the person suffering is not obviously deformed, it can be hard to either convince them or others of the disability. As I suffer from severe ADHD and anxiety, with the added bonus of neurodivirsity, so I know first-hand how hard it is to convince people that I am suffering. The physical ailments I suffer from are similarly sneaky, with the exception of the eczema. The eczema was painful, but it was also extremely obvious which meant I was taken seriously pretty quickly, which was very nice.

[@mce_AU]

Interesting note: Photo at 9:55 of a trainstop was taken at Flinders Street Station, Melbourne, Victoria between platforms 1 and 2 on 1A road. Cheers.

[@LittleKitty22]

I can't remember if it's because of this incident, but dead man's handle now works differently to prevent such a tragedy from happening again: it no longer has to be continuously pressed down, but ever so often. It sounds an alarm and the driver has to press it down with his foot and then release his foot. If he doesn't acknowledge the alarm, or keeps his foot on the dead man's handle, the train will stop automatically. This was introduced to prevent just such tragedies.

[@GeneSavage]

Wait... a Fascinating Horror where the accident wasn't the result of multiple greedy men cutting corners and ignoring warnings... and the results were dramatically improved safety and a memorial?? What channel am I on, again? ;-) (Great video, as always; thanks for all you do!!)

[@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat]

3:13 something about how he said “I shall want another cup of tea when I’m off duty” was great, channeled something I can’t describe

[@aluvrianne]

I too think the seizure theory is the likely explanation. They used to be called petit mal seizures, the ones where people look perfectly normal, but they're a house with the lights on and nobody home. I also can't imagine 40C in the Underground and I've been down there on some pretty hot days because it seems like every time I've been to London the weather was bright and warm and sunny.

[@arturoaguilar6002]

It's weird to have an accident in this channel that wasn't caused by negligence or malice. It was just an accident in the purest sense of the word. And it's also good to hear that precautions have been taken to prevent future accidents of the same type from happening again.

[@lindakay9552]

I just ran across this story on another channel yesterday, which I only listened to about half way through, as I realized I've already heard this entire story before. For some inexplicable reason, I'm obsessed with studying train crashes. I can't bring myself to skip this video, because I just adore Fascinating Horror. 🤔🤨🧐 I've always wondered if Mr. Newson was going blind and didn't want to tell anyone for fear of losing his job. Or if he possibly had a stroke, which would really only be detected through a brain autopsy.

[@clairmac]

Can we just take a moment to recognize how amazing the passengers were after the accident? The first thing they did was pick themselves up, ask if others were okay and the decide to collective not panic and wait for rescue. I'm seriously speechless.

[@MegCazalet]

I think this was due to low blood sugar. My brother had an incident where he behaved eerily similarly to the way the driver was described to be standing, hand gripping a fork instead, eyes popping open, seeing nothing. After how long it took to get to the driver’s body, they wouldn’t have been able to test his levels.

[@k_ir3868]

It could be. The one thing that kinda speaks against a medical condition though is that apparently this happened to him before. I'd think he would speak about it with someone instead of just keep driving.

[@MegCazalet]

@@k_ir3868 Do you mean in the moment? When blood sugar dips dangerously low, you can be pretty much blacked out even if your eyes are open and you’re sitting or standing up. My brother loses awareness and can’t communicate if he has an incident and doesn’t get his glucose pack in time, so he has an alarm built into his auto blood sugar detector that beeps to snap him back to attention if possible, and will also start calling emergency phone numbers until it’s turned off. I am really struck by the description of the way the driver stood gripping the switch staring ahead and how that is exactly what my brother did during the first incident of his I witnessed, a few years after he was diagnosed. Once the paramedics got him to come to, he looked around and realized what had happened and was like “oh shit sorry guys”. Imagine that happening behind the wheel…or at the controls. He doesn’t drive anymore because he’s afraid of causing an accident even though it’s well managed now.

[@k_ir3868]

@@MegCazalet im not sure anymore if this was sayed in this documentary or I read it somewhere else but apparently before this incident the driver had activated the brakes too late and almost crashed another time.

[@gazinessex2]

For some reason I remembered this well. I was only 11.

[@inkyguy]

I had a girlfriend who had epilepsy, and I witnessed a few of her seizures. We would be talking and suddenly I would realize that she was no longer consciously present. Afterwards, she would have no idea that it had occurred. Her perception of time remained seamless even though she had been out for about a full minute. With this type of seizure there is no warning and nothing dramatic occurs to warn you that is about to happen or is happening. It is a bit spooky and disconcerting to observe, especially when it is someone you care for because they become so vulnerable and helpless in those moments. The person having the seizure simply becomes catatonic, frozen with their eyes open. It is even possible she had seizures that neither of us knew had happened. If we were in a group and others were talking and my attention was focused on them instead of her I wouldn’t have had any idea that a seizure was happening nor would she have known during or after the seizure. Had she been driving a vehicle at any of those moments (which she was legally forbidden to do) she would have most likely been in a very serious and even lethal accident involving not only herself but any passengers in her vehicle or other vehicles on the road.

[@westtnskirmishlog6820]

Excellent work as always sir. Thank you for the work you do, it's always a delight to see alerts from your channel.

[@justherbirdy]

As soon as you started talking about the way Mr Newson was known to act, and his plans for after work, I couldn't help but think of tram drivers at my depot. Two drivers with perfect safety records, conscientious and good people, overshot the end of one particular terminus, derailed their trams, and caused damage to the surrounding infrastructure. It was not their fault, but in the immediate aftermath the management and the public blamed them. Other drivers refused to blame them; we knew how good they were. After the second time, and proper investigations that finally included comment from other drivers, the terminus was completely rebuilt. No one has derailed there since. The drivers are, thankfully, both still in their jobs after the union intervened. I hope Mr. Newson's family, friends and colleagues are able to find peace.

[@carrioncrow13]

I'm impressed with the passengers just as much as with the rescue team. It takes a lot to keep composure in such a situation.

[@paulspeight8398]

What I can't understand that some of the passengers must have used that station all their working lifes , Especially the ones in the front cars that no one used 1 of the 4 emergency handles in each car once they realised the train was travelling at a abnormally fast speed down the platform knowing it was entering a dead end terminus, Possibly that composure lead to more deaths by not slowing the enevitable impact.

[@AlexGreeneHypnotist]

Can you imagine that? A doctor wandering into a Boots chemist and saying "Hi. I want ALL your drugs." And getting them. Man, the Seventies really were wild.

[@nodrogdivad]

he was just SO HAPPY.... Humming to himself, DAYDREAMING about how HAPPY he'd be.........................

[@jacekatalakis8316]

I'm wondering if it was a medical issue, but given the attitudes towards epilepsy/strokes/seizures in the 1970s, that he couldn't or wouldn't tell anyone

[@TiaKatt]

Yeah, he'd had recent head injuries, and had overshot platforms 2 other times in the days prior to the accident. Seems it may have been a recent issue. I wonder how aware he was of what was actually going on - what did he think had happened after he overshot those other 2 platforms? Did he write it off after the fact as "just" having been distracted and inattentive? I just keep thinking about those notes he had on him that day about how to be a safer driver, you know?

[@Joypyf]

Thank you for including sources in the description!

[@elliottprice6084]

The saddest part of this tragedy is that families of the victims and the survivors of the crash will never get closure

[@shadowdahuman]

I don't see why not. Sometimes unfortunate events just happen and there's nothing that could have been done. There doesn't always need to be a "villain" and accepting that and seeing things are being done to make sure nothing like it ever happens again can also lead to closure.

[@tamfuwing1]

It's also human nature to want answers.

[@davebarclay4429]

@@tamfuwing1 Yes but for some reason modern humans seem to find it difficult to accept that bad stuff, sometimes really bad stuff, can happen without anyone being at fault, to blame or "accountable" to use the great buzz word. This was one such occasion.

[@Isleofskye]

I started work, nearby and, almost,50 years on,had forgotten about this. If there is any good fortune in this,it is that the British workers would have been the overwhelming majority of passengers and would, mostly, not have panicked and looked out for each other. I, suspect in "modern" London there would have been a mad scramble and accompanying panic with dar more casualties as most Londoners seem to, just, "tolerate" other Communities now.

[@FART-REPELLENT]

You are so right; 21st century people are so selfish and callous; a prime example is when a bomb failed to explode on board a District Line train at Parsons Green Station, passengers scrambled and trampled on other passengers who had fallen; during which a brainless shallow pig of a woman asked another passenger "Is my face intact?", as she didn't want to sustain any injury to her 'beautiful' face. On another occasion a mad preacher began reading a passage from the bible to other passengers on board a train somewhere in London, which terrified the passengers, who then overreacted by smashing the train windows to escape the preacher.

[@themeantuber]

Medical emergency undoubtedly. The 270 pounds he was carrying with him would have been a small fortune for a common person in the UK back then. He wouldn't risk it being destroyed, lost, stolen or even confiscated by authorities if they suspected act of foul play was being committed. He would have left the money where it would have been safe for his daughter to retrieve. The man was planning the sugar for his afternoon cup of tea for goodness sake. Doesn't sound like he did it on purpose.

[@samsngdevice5103]

I love this channel.

[@jane.c.c]

Remember that but I was only 11.. so I never really knew the in's and out's, so thanks for filling me in on that, very interesting. I think the driver had a seizure of some kind.. I dont think he did it on purpose at all..

[@harrynicholes3166]

Nobody does.

[@jane.c.c]

@@harrynicholes3166 first I reply and then I read the other peoples comments. I'd rather say what I think before being influenced by other peoples opinions. Get what I mean?

[@patriciamccormick9321]

My friend at 42 suffered his first known seizure while driving through his neighborhood and into the garage of home on his way from work. His eyes were open but he wasn’t responding to the homeowner who had to reach in and turned off his car’s engine while berating him because he thought he was on drugs. A police officer who responded realized what was happenings and called for an ambulance. He had just exited a major highway 5 minutes earlier so it could have been much worse.

[@railman8454]

London Underground termini platforms now use speed-controlled trainstops (affectionately known as "Moorgate control"). One speed controlled trainstop is located at the approach end of the platform (usually lowers when the train is detected as travelling below 15mph) and another one approximately halfway along said platform (lowers at about 10mph train speed). There is also a fixed raised trainstop at the berthing end of the platform to mitigate against the impact of overruns. The train passes over a timing section on the approach to each speed controlled trainstop, and if the wheels pass through the timing section slower than the defined time, the trainstop lowers and permits the passage of the train. If the wheels pass through faster than the time permits, the "tripcock" device (a lever under the train's frame) comes into contact with the still raised trainstop, knocking it out of place. This vents air from the main line/train line air reservoirs (including the brake cylinders) and immediately applies the brakes... while the tripcock is in place air within the train holds off the brakes which are otherwise forced on by a powerful spring - this makes the brakes fail safe. The activated tripcock is easily reset by the driver by way of a pull rope or a push button, but because the system is also designed to prevent passing red lights on the network, this activates a three minute time delay at which point the train can only be driven at a maximum of 10mph, ensuring that any train ahead has extra time to pass signals ahead to clear the section and that any collision caused is mitigated by the low speed of the train. Once the tripcock is reset, the system resets so that passing another raised trainstop will again result in the brakes being applied. While the train is in the terminal platform the trainstops remain down (normally trainstops raise shortly after the front of the train passes). This prevents the rear of the train being "rear tripped" when it leaves in the opposite direction. They raise again as the train leaves the platform ready for the next arrival. The trainstop system is being phased out as new, automated signalling technology is adopted. You can still see some of this technology in London but it's also adopted all over the world.

[@Hedgpig]

I appreciate knowing we won't get all the answers right at the beginning

[@thamirivonjaahri6378]

I have watched quite few documentaries and post-mortem re-evaluations and virtually all came to conclussion that driver was not at fault. Many say he had seizure of sorts, but for me description of his expressionless face (described in some documentaries) is more akin to stroke. Something similar actually happened to my relative, who first began doing seemingly random things, which he started and then abandoned almost immediately, then progressively losing awareness of his surroundings and then just before he collapsed to the ground he became completely unresponsive (my grandmother tried to talk to him, but he did not react at all to anything ) and was just standing in the middle of the room for few minutes having tantamount to a thousand mile stare minus the grin.

[@brightblue2415]

A glassy-eyed, blank facial expression is also typical of absence seizures.

[@TarrelScot]

I remember this. I was 17 at the time and lived in London. The recovery operation went on for days.

[@uranium54321]

Video recommendation - 1937 Elixir Sulfanilamide disaster - improperly prepared medicine killed an estimated 100+ people, leading to an increase in the powers of the FDA that essentially gave it the role it has today

[@dangerousandy]

An excellent documentary. I have read the full accident report into this disaster.

[@pjousma]

I've had epileptic seizures since last year, and am now on medication. It helps, but I think I had a seizure while not losing consciousness last month, I survived it after sitting down, but lost the last 15 minutes of what happened. I think this man had the same, maybe.

[@moohHa22]

Another great vid! Your voice and cadence is so relaxing, thanks for the video. Sorry for the loss of all those people, it’s easy to forget they were all someone to someone. RIP x

[@bentboybbz]

I always wondered if there was an electrical fault and he was being electrocuted. And unable to let go or warn anyone.

[@clohessey]

I was the officer in charge of the 2nd fire rescue specialist tender known at that time as an emergency tender orET to attend to the crash and assisted in removing the driver from the wreckage . Sometime later i attended a forum with the london transport underground as a senior officer . For legal reasons I cannot divulge but if it is of any help or comfort to the family we know that the driver was not llikely to be the cause of the incident as there were other factors not made public which I was informed at the aforementioned forum.

[@Zimin_Anatoly2000]

Nice story. Would you please make more videos about diasters in the underground (Metro) ?

[@mbryson2899]

Thank you for relating this story factually, calmly, and without sensationalism. This event always spooks me, it always reminds me that life can end or change in mere seconds.