Fascist Passions | Judith Butler responds to questions

[@IIllytch321nonadinfinitum]

13:12 - 13:31 Definitely easier said than done (I've tried for years in myriad ways often to no avail, but because there is a non-zero chance of something positive coming from it I shall continue to do so) but I'm with you.

[@brianmoren3780]

Ah, Butler, one of the original sexists that contributed to the downfall of society.

[@ctloo0808]

Not only that , she gaslighted some people thinking that sex is something you can change !

[@rorywillats]

“Sexism didn’t exist until the 50s” is certainly a take.

[@brianmoren3780]

@@rorywillats I can see it seems I meant it that way. I only meant she is one of the originals in the sense of making another ideology (gender ideology) with sexism as pith of it. An ideology that is as absurd and retrograde as many that preceded it, yet still trumpeted today, from which hurtful politics are made like in my country, where men's rights (presumption of innocence and the right to not be discriminated against because of gender) are literally violated by feminist laws.

[@rorywillats]

@@brianmoren3780 which country is that? I’d like to find out more

[@brianmoren3780]

@@rorywillats Spain

[@Aldous944]

Judith Butler is a prime example of how grant money and tenure can support an utter waste of time - a lifetime, in fact.

[@Rnankn]

If you want to see waste, go to a landfill and see what a waste of lifetimes and resources comes from business and entrepreneurship. Literally making garbage.

[@hetmanjz]

@Aldous944 We're all sure that your body of work is tremendously impressive and thoughtful 🤣🤣🤣🖕🖕🖕

[@rocksparadox]

@@hetmanjz Bald fanboy defending his postmodern ''idol'', keep going , we 've got the popcorn ready! Name ONE SINGLE statement of Judith Butler that's accurate and factual, go ahead.

[@pablog80]

I am totally open and respectful to people living their lives and sexuality as they feel without being judged by anyone. This said, it is also very straightforward to say what a man and a woman are. You don't need to write books explaining it. Even a toddler can tell it. I can feel I am a cat, eat cat food and meow but I am not a cat.

[@SunAndMoon-zc9vd]

What you say sounds straightforward, but nature produces errors. You for example have fetuses/babies created with the brain outside the cranium, with more fingers than 10, with the mouth deformed, with 2 penises or vaginas, without one of the usual organs, 1 body with two heads etc. Imagine now that nature by mistake creates a brain which is "woman" (i.e. gives the identity of a woman regarding thougths, sexual attraction etc.) while it creates a body around it which is male. This isn't magic, it is pure biology and construction of cells. For me it is also very logical. I am a man body-wise and mentally, but I have never decided it! It just is how I was constructed. So the question of what a human being "is" is more complicated!

[@Rnankn]

Clearly it is not straightforward. Or else you would not need to insist that it is. If you’re telling someone else what their gender is, it is not being open and respectful.

[@osmaelias]

Sunandmoon, there is no such thing as a "woman brain" in a male body, as brains do not exist separately from the rest of the body. What you are describing is variation within the male sx, not a brain that somehow jumped between the sxes.

[@ambientjohnny]

@@Rnankn What "gender identity" anyone has, has ZERO bearing on what physical sex they are. Feelings do not trump material reality. Certainly not when it comes to female sex-based rights and protections even if the sexist misogynist "trans" activists are trying to force society to do so. The idea that being a woman or a man is about some internal feeling and not simply a descriptor of a physical reality is laughably regressive.

[@petergeddes6652]

It's quite baffling to me that Butler can't see that the internecine conflicts within progressivism are precisely a product of the fragmentary "self-definition", "self-actualisation" philosophy that she espouses. Identity is not fundamentally self-referential and the move to make it so has been a disaster for the causes that she claims to support.

[@Rnankn]

She never claimed identity is self-referential, only pointed out that it is social. She’s describing reality, not prescribing it.

[@petergeddes6652]

@@Rnankn "Self-definition is central to feminism"

[@Mickey-ro7yy]

@@petergeddes6652 this was in reference to de Beauvoir’s “one is not born, but rather becomes, a woman”.

[@luboba1]

She’s so loving and caring! I can’t understand why people are so afraid of her. Sending all my love to her and all oppressed categories in the world. ❤

[@emil_rainbow]

Butler’s literary criticism is also a product of commodity fetishism. And one particular to the elite academia of the United States. "The "ruling ideas" of a given epoch are, however, those of the ruling class: "The ruling ideas are nothing more than the ideal expression of the dominant material relationships, the dominant material relationships grasped as ideas; hence of the relationships which make the one class the ruling one, therefore, the ideas of their dominance." ~ The German Ideology, Karl Marx & Frederick Engels The spectacle of gender identity politics could only have originated in the Land of The Free.

[@Rnankn]

It could only be based on antagonism in modern America. Two-spirited people were revered in indigenous societies.

[@emil_rainbow]

@@Rnankn "two-spirited people" is a modern American colonial invention.

[@francescocerasuolo4064]

if Marx was alive today, he wouldn't call himself a marxist. y'all are truly the worst.

[@kj4242]

This has to be the most dishonest person I have ever listened too.

[@emil_rainbow]

Judith Butler is a bourgeois performative intellectual, no less self-absorbed and reactionary as Jordan Peterson.

[@markrussell3428]

She has destroyed the lives of so many and refuses to speak to it. IF you have courage see where Butler's gender road leads confused youth. Google Yarden Silveira (23) and Griffin Sivret (24) They went down a slow anguishing road of surgery followed by surgery - this is the path of confusion Butler lays out until finally their once young and healthy bodies rot from the inside so traumatized, it just can't take anymore. Congrats to the scholarly influence of Judith Butler.

[@emil_rainbow]

"Butler’s …strong claim is that the body itself, and especially the distinction between the two sexes, is also a social construction. She means not only that the body is shaped in many ways by social norms of how men and women should be; she means also that the fact that a binary division of sexes is taken as fundamental, as a key to arranging society, is itself a social idea that is not given in bodily reality. What exactly does this claim mean, and how plausible is it?" ~ The Professor of Parody, Martha C. Nussbaum.

[@rorywillats]

A question answered by reading Butler’s work. “What could they mean?!!!?” Is such a bizarre question when they’re a scholar working hard to communicate what they mean through books! Just read the books! You pose these questions to replace the rigour of actual engagement with the fear that imagined *~possible~* answers may bring.

[@rocksparadox]

@@rorywillats '''imagined ~possible~ answers ' Ding ding ding, that's the keyword ''imagined'', the postmodern cowards and deceivers will NEVER give a straight (pun intended) answer (imagined OR regurgitated from a French pedophile ''philosopher'' ) to any question nor will they ever posit anything that is falsifiable, they know better than that. They prefer to baffle morons with luxurious jargon.

[@Boymanjusri]

Anyone can tell me why lesbians couples, including Judith and her partner, usually prefer to raise boys other than girls?

[@Rnankn]

If you think that is true, why don’t you ask your lesbian friends?

[@laclochard]

It is not true. But Butler is a known misogynyst so maybe that's why.

[@ctloo0808]

Pure nonsense, all based on feelings and not facts

[@james-cal]

which part

[@yashanim]

Stop juxtaposing abstract categories over the lived experience. Your argument comes out of a cartesian view which sees the mind and and body as two separate entities, when the mind is just another organ just as contingent as the rest of the body. The assertions that you call facts are just platitudes under which lies the sheer craving for power. It reminded me of Audre Lorde when she dismantled the "mind-body distinction" in her essay by rephrasing the famous quote from Descartes as "I feel, therefore I can be free."

[@ctloo0808]

@@yashanim oh yes, your lived experience is living in your delusions and forcing people to accept your so called reality. just call it "I pretend to be", not i *identify*.. identifying as a duck does not make you a duck. Understand??!!

[@kanal7523]

Isn't that true for all of human experiences? As everything we experience comes from the senses and not as as facts transmitted by a higher being to our consciousness, there are in fact no facts, only feelings

[@ctloo0808]

@@kanal7523 Ah, so if there are no facts, only feelings, does that mean my feeling that this statement is incorrect is a universal truth? I'm feeling very factual today!

[@liammccann8763]

She just loves summoning demons doesn't she.

[@hetmanjz]

"summoning demons"?!? lol, no that's what cryptofascists (and fascists full stop) specialize in.

[@garyweglarz]

Judith Butler couldn't put two consecutive coherent thoughts together if her life depended on it - but in the world some people inhabit that spells - 'brilliance.' : / Go figure?

[@ctloo0808]

absolutely🤣

[@hetmanjz]

@garyweglarz I didn't find anything here remotely incoherent -- maybe it's a YOU problem?? 🤔😬🤣

[@garyweglarz]

​@@hetmanjz - Having read the work of most of the post-modern philosophers for comparison - I get the distinct impression that Ms. Butler couldn't find her own arse if she used both hands. But hey, to each their own I say. By all means - enjoy. : )

[@rocksparadox]

@@hetmanjz ''I didn't find anything here remotely incoherent -- maybe it's a YOU problem??' It's because she writes in such a way that it baffles and intrigues morons. It's DEFINITELY a postmodern accepting ''YOU problem'' 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@matthewknight7594]

This is activism not academics

[@hetmanjz]

@matthewknight7594 Lol, what a silly false dichotomy.

[@abstractnonsense3253]

Ok, I'm unsubscribing. Inviting this woman is a step too far.

[@Llooktook]

I don't agree with her, but we must have people we disagree with speak, or else we will become the very demons we rail against

[@hetmanjz]

@abstractnonsense3253 Oh heavens, let's hope you're able to move on from this, LOL 😆

[@francescocerasuolo4064]

bye,

[@Lance0714]

Clean sheet Image feminism as human-ism? Image the strength of a %120 as the gender. Make gender seems to max out at %100.

[@emil_rainbow]

"…there are very many different ways of designating (biological) sex…" Really Judith, really?

[@rorywillats]

Yes

[@emil_rainbow]

@@rorywillats yes, what?

[@rorywillats]

Yes, really. There are many different ways of designating biological sex. For me, this is clearest to see looking at it’s categorisation historically.

[@jonstewart464]

You could go with chromosomes, with genitals, with gametes. Intersex people of many different types exist and will fall on different sides of the male/female divide depending on which you choose (and some will still leave ambiguity).

[@emil_rainbow]

@@rorywillats care to share an example?

[@skillsrev]

Sooooo, we shouldn't ban books but rather have books that sexualising children, we can't have religious ideology, but we can have gender ideology, I would go on but I'm already bored of listening to this rubbish. Not often I say a video is wasting my time, but this one really didn't contribute to moving forward in life. Particularly if you can't tell the difference of a man and woman for female sports.

[@Rnankn]

Only conservatives obsess over children’s sexuality, why are you always thinking about this? And how is constitutional protection for freedom of religion not enough? You literally cannot be granted greater guarantees for your “‘religious ideology’. The rest of us should be so lucky as to have our sacred beliefs legally guaranteed.

[@andretorres8452]

@@Rnankn inappropriate books that have sexually explicit content have been found in k-12 school libraries. This is what has made parents upset in recent years

[@Lance0714]

Gender is a law. We All have both. We All have both. Perhaps the highest level human is Woman? To procreate? The most powerful and most vulnerable.

[@Lance0714]

Make a different game

[@jai-hind-ki-sena8450]

she shaved may be

[@Lance0714]

Everybody is Homefull and Hungerless. When women are in charge. ❤

[@ernestogarciateston]

There is a serious social housing crisis in the West. Trans people also need housing. When will politicians solve this problem? You're The Institute of Art and Ideas For Rich People.

[@francescocerasuolo4064]

the premise is correct. so what? is Judith in charge of the housing situation? i don't see how this should be an attack on her or the discourse she is fostering.