FAST & FURIOUS!....Liberty Ammo 10mm Overwatch vs Civil Defense!

[@americanpatriot477]

For a up close self defense round, either one would definitely work well, and you wouldn’t have to worry about over penetration.

[@ToolsandTargets]

💥💣💥

[@kevindutton3676]

What’s not to like. Massive expansion. No over penetration. Reliable performance. I carry this. Detractors come at me

[@ToolsandTargets]

You tied a pork chop around your neck and dove in the gator pit!😱😱😱

[@charlesmorgan1879]

Lol

[@shazmodeus2795]

I'd love to see how these look in a human analog gel dummy like what Garand Thumb uses. Chest vs abdomen, side shot performance, etc.

[@michaelrogers4285]

That Liberty civil defense is wicked, but it does work very well. And if it's reliable, I like it !!

[@ryanzanow8221]

What’s not to like?? Well, I guess getting hit with it wouldn’t be likable .😜

[@allen_p]

Both dump a huge amount of energy very quickly. You are correct at how unpredictable they travel when they go to pieces.

[@ToolsandTargets]

They definitely do what they claim.

[@kennethferguson4283]

These rounds are a no go for me, barrier penetration would destroy them and hollow points can clog. For high velocity unconditional performance I carry the reliable barrier blind Underwood 68 gr XD round in 357 Sig it gets a velocity of 2200 fps with 750 ft. lbs. of energy. I have full confidence in the XD round, I have little interest in the Liberty stuff.

[@DrQuagmire1]

@@ToolsandTargets I have seen this same product line for the .357 Magnum and had thought about buying a box of them to test out of my Ruger GP100, but that i'm not sure to be perfectly honest with you.

[@greedygolddigger3650]

@@ToolsandTargets do it with a glock 40 next

[@lazygamer9725]

​@@kennethferguson4283I'm not sure shooting through barriers would be recommended from a legal stand point

[@wtjonesphd9375]

Good to know. I wasn't even aware Civil Defense made a 70 grain in 10mm. I haven't been able to find either 60 or 70 grains in Los Angeles where I live. I think they both perform very well. I don't mind the base of the bullet curving once it hits an attacker. Also, curved wound tracks are longer than straight ones. I estimate a 12" curved penetration into the block could be a 13" or more actual penetration depending on the degree of the curve. And the initial spherical wound cavity is like a little grande going off. These round are impressive.

[@ToolsandTargets]

I had to order these. Never see em locally around here anymore.🤷‍♂️

[@RichardCranium321]

you will have to order them online.

[@wtjonesphd9375]

@@RichardCranium321 California is run by Democrats and ordering online is not allowed. However, I have found Civil Defense in 9mm, 40SW and 357Sig at gun stores.

[@RichardCranium321]

@@wtjonesphd9375 if you wanna complain about policies then move. I'm pretty sure if you go down to your regular FFL and ask them, they are allowed to have ammo ordered online and shipped to CA, but shipped directly to the FFL... Not shipped to your doorstep. If you cannot place an order and use the FFL's address then ask your FFL if he would be willing to buy a full case if you were to buy half once it arrives. They should be able to directly email the company or supplier.... Especially considering this ammo is supposedly "green", I'm surprised California doesn't have a lot more of it.

[@DDDYLN]

​@@wtjonesphd9375you seriously can't buy ammo online in CA?

[@dietrichjohnson9556]

If you had an old block put a thin dinner plate under your clothing barrier to represent bone the way those act I think their would be a lot of disappointment after it hit the plate right before it went into the gel

[@ToolsandTargets]

That actually wouldn't be a bad thing to try with these. I do have some really yellowed blocks that I saved for messy stuff.

[@transtubular]

Or maybe some quarter inch MDF. Of course some actual bone would be the best test, simulation would be repeatable.

[@TheBrotoriousOne]

​@@transtubularyou suggest a goat or pig 😂

[@jbrown6030]

I honestly don't see how anyone could survive taking one of these center mass... Considering The mess it makes.. Unless the disruption/explosion is happening too shallow, not deep enough and too close to the surface. You do the Best tests. Keep it up! The 300 BLACKOUT Civil Defense/ Animal Instinct Should be next. NOBODY has done a gel test on those yet. 96grain I believe.

[@andreawhalen4142]

What i saw on that dead coyote was an explosion, i doubt surviveable in a self defense situation, so long as theres no obstruction anyway, both this stuff and the mhp norma tears the crap out of coyotes, shot through a can its still loud though.

[@danellebarnette6380]

I took a deer with that round so a human doesn't stand a chance. Oh and it's nasty too. Almost like the controlled chaos from lehigh but without as much penetration but still penetrates well though!

[@Just_a_guy093]

The 300blk overwatch had issues feeding in my Aug a3m1. I couldn’t lay into the trigger for rapid fire.. failur to feeds would occurs, but I switched my gas block off and it cycled just fine as a single shot bolt action basically

[@Just_a_guy093]

I just got 3 variety of the Lehigh 300 blk. I’m ordering gel to test myself. If they cycle they will be my 300blk selfie defence super sonic round.

[@jason200912]

If it doesn't hit a vital organ you survive. If it hits a organ but it's not the heart then you'll survive for 10 more minutes.

[@timg7627]

If these performed well in real world scenarios then law enforcement agencies everywhere would issue them to their employees. These do function as advertised but they’re just like rip rounds and disintegrate on impact which is exactly how varmint rounds perform too. The reason not to use these for self defense is the same exact reason why no one would recommend using a varmint round on a deer or elk. Each to their own though and I know there are plenty of y’al out there

[@Nuvolari0001]

No LE agency will use this because of 1) PRICE and 2) controversy. These are frangible bullets. The impact of a 100MM at the FBIs' 21 feet standard, 2500 FPS or .45 acp at 2000 fps, will shock vaporize/rupture any internal organs around the wound channel.

[@hugokatz]

Law enforcement uses conservative ammo. They ususally don't go with the latest and greatest. The people in procurement don't want any surprises, and generally stick to what was ordered in the past.

[@woodybowen5362]

I’ve ordered these from Academy Sports & first found them on the shelf @ Sportsman’s Warehouse.

[@randymoats2059]

I think this would work. Just wouldn't want to fire it inside a car or a home because of the muzzle blast

[@ToolsandTargets]

💥💣💥

[@freedomfirst5420]

Also the deafening report.

[@Texas2Step79]

I feel the same for my .357 sig ... so it's my carry gun but at home I use my .40 and .45

[@GBGuns]

I'm curious to see this test, in my own tests Liberty makes a great 9mm round. It's become my carry round (plus the weight savings can really be felt in the belt when you're carrying 17 rounds).

[@ToolsandTargets]

They do what they claim. Gotta give em that.

[@MrBuffaluffagus]

Another great test brother. I'd be interested to see what this stuff does in a ballistics dummy wearing a tshirt and hoodie when it hits a rib, etc. Great test as always. Thanks for working hard for us! One of the absolute best channels on KZbin!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. I need to sweet talk one of those fancy ballistic dummy places into sending me one.😜

[@hoffpbass]

Make it an obese ballistic dummy. IMO these rounds will under perform of they need to travel through several inches of fat before reaching vitals.

[@MrBuffaluffagus]

@@ToolsandTargets Attention all ballistic dummy dealers! Please send a dummy to Tools...ballistics or otherwise 😆

[@MrBuffaluffagus]

@@hoffpbass Good point. I'm intrigued by these rounds but you bring up a valid concern. Would be interested as well.

[@CrackerFL]

​@@ToolsandTargets you might be able to make your own. I've seen cake pans in the shape of a torso. I save my bbq ribs left over bones, and put into the gelatin.

[@Wedgetail96]

Great information as always. These present rifle like disruption on impact, however the penetration could be considerably less if you consider shot placement. Perhaps it’s penetration (reaching the vitals you were aiming at) should end when it starts to veer off the line of your shot?

[@ToolsandTargets]

I wouldn't disagree with that. I think that's what makes me shy away from it most of all.

[@Brandon_Neil]

Crazy to think no one compared these before. Amazing video

[@timrobinson6573]

Great Video. Ive wondered what these would do out of a 16 inch carbine like the HiPoint.

[@bryanpropp2179]

Would they even survive the travel through that long of a barrel? FYI, the barrel of a 1095 is actually 17.5”.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Never have gotten anything in 10mm with a longer barrel.

[@soccerseth1186]

You should test a Remington subsonic 9mm 147gr flat nose enclosed base (FNEB) round. The bullet seems unique and there aren’t any gel tests out there. PSA currently has them priced at $18.99 for 50 rounds (.38 cents a round). Would be interested to see used with a suppressor.

[@rrtownsend7148]

I purchased a box of the 60gr Civil Defense. They shoot accurate out of my G20SF. Truthfully though, I'm more of a Hornady XTP 180gr kind of guy... I prefer the heavier bullet. Great video.

[@TiagoTestarossa]

Why be skeptical of light grain pistol ammo?... Typcial 5.7 is 40gr / .223 50gr / .556 70gr.. As long as these things are pushing over 2100fps they should behave like short barreled rifle rounds. The whole purpose of these light rouds is replicate the 5.7 40gr going over 2100fps to get into is hydrostatic shock territory.. and the high speed light weight of the 5.7 out of the 16" ps9 is what made it penetrate basic body armour. Add extra 1" to 1.5" to that barrel for an extra 10% fps and energy and really get as close as possible to rifle levels of damage.

[@Nutty.357]

I guess they're good for low recoil and pretty good speed/energy! I am not sure how they will do out to 50 yards for the magic 10mm spot! Being so light I am thinking they would be all over the place! I'm having trouble getting onboard with featherweight big bore projectiles lol Have a good one brother! Good tests!! :D

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@theturkeysopinion]

Im with you , I just don't know what to think about either of them. They perform , they dump energy... but something is just weird👍

[@ToolsandTargets]

I can tell you one thing I know for 100% fact. The gel cleanup from testing these absolutely sucks.😆😆😆

[@theturkeysopinion]

@@ToolsandTargets fact confirmed!👍👊

[@s00-x2h]

They dump their energy way too soon. It's pretty much like FMJ after the first 3-4 inches it looks like

[@147CombatMedic]

I see that BCA has AR-style rifles in 10mm (and 45acp) out there now. I wonder what would happen to those projectiles coming out of a 16" barrel. 🤔 😂

[@Trad-Am]

Seems like a good defensive round, that you won't have to worry about exiting, and hitting other than your target. Liberty 60-70 grain for 2 legs. Buffalo Bore 190-220 grain for 4 legs

[@smibru]

I carry a half and half, My standard defensive ammo and Liberty Civil Defense in all my carry calibers I use. It's to keep the weigh down and it helps!

[@GBGuns]

I feel your LabRadar pain! Not only is it an expensive tool, but I've wasted a lot of expensive ammo trying to get the thing setup. In the end my cheap-o Caldwell that can't decide which units to measure in ended up being more reliable.

[@ToolsandTargets]

This one has been great so far other than this oddball stuff. Honestly one of the best things I've bought for what I do in quite a while. I'm a data nerd though.😆

[@PropsandWings]

That's wild for a pistol caliber. Those rounds are pushing velocities faster than most 5.7x28 ammo, especially the red box version. What impressed me was the movement of the gel block. How did the pistol hold up? I know a lot of firearm makers mention that going too light in grain and lots of speed doesn't fair well with the reliability of the pistol.

[@ToolsandTargets]

These things are well within SAAMI pressures. Much easier on the guns than the real deal heavy 10mm rounds that are movin fast.

[@greyballer1671]

Love the channel and appreciate learning from you!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir!😎👊

[@Ifitfitz22]

Would have been cool if that extra weight was somehow in the exposed part instead of the base and could make it hold together another inch or two before it came apart, 3 inches is pretty dang shallow even on a perfect front on impact, but for sure if you had to use it on a situation where the angle was going to a 45° or 90° from square. I couldn't imagine having to go through an arm or something to try and get to vitals

[@kimness7796]

Thanks! I think all are actually on the same page here. Being a question. But I checked the Liberty website, and they're $48/20. Plus tax/shipping. So I vote NO. How do you check for reliable feeding at $2.50 per round? I just bought a bunch of Speer Gold Dot +P 9mm 124s at $40/50 cash. Plus this 10 mm won't work on Alaskan problems.

[@TheCrewChief374]

The way I approach the ammunition issue is purchase enough of each brand and style like Liberty ammunition, and V Crown for instance, adding in Underwood, as well as anything else Tools has tested that shows it works decent for something like self defense!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Hmmm, that might be my new way to reload edc ammo. I'm gonna just dump all the good ones in a bowl and grab em up!🎃

[@TheCrewChief374]

@@ToolsandTargets Well I suppose if you wanted to do it that way you could, yet what I was getting at is I purchase rounds from the different manufacturers of ammunition you have tested that seem to have done reasonably well, load one manufacturer brand into a magazine together, so I have a magazine's with V Crown, Underwood, Liberty, along with any others I have seen work decent. So essentially when I purchase more ammunition, I have also set aside funds for magazines too.

[@CrashRacknShoot]

​@@TheCrewChief374pretty sure he got what you meant the first time around.

[@ToolsandTargets]

@@TheCrewChief374 Nope. Ammo trick or treat for me!🎃

[@charlesmullins3238]

My exact reference for self defense performance….let’s go briandon!…or something like that

[@EC-mc7vg]

This type of light for caliber high velocity ammo seems like it might be better suited for "indoor" use, like living in an apartment complex or carrying in a crowded mall, store, concert or something like that, even a crowded outdoor event where overpenetration might be a factor. Otherwise I think I would feel more confident in a "normal" weight for caliber with a good expanding bullet. They are interesting and I do think there is a purpose for some people or situations.

[@toddmcwhite8909]

Great Video as Always Tools! I am impressed by the facts that you mention several times. These rounds operate as advertised…….. every single time you test them! The instability after fragmentation is exactly what the 5.56 is intended to do. Anyway, I suspect other barriers would certainly cause these rounds a problem.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Gotta give em credit for telling you exactly what to expect and delivering it.😎👍

[@almaadams3631]

Speed defeats hard barriers. These rounds sail through windshields and auto bodies. Fluid ( flesh and gel) cause them to frag. A local FFL and myself have tested these extensively (.380, 9mm. 40sw. 357sig,and 10mm.) They punch through bone and hide like a cookie cutter and can defeat "some" body armor ( depending on class and caliber.)

[@MotoFreak37]

@@almaadams3631you happen to have videos of that? I’d love to see the barrier testing.

[@clocksurfer]

These Civil Defense rounds are the first two in each of my EDC mags, followed by some truly diverse loadouts. Going to check out the new Liberty rounds...

[@camojoe83]

Ah, yes. The old mixed crackhead mag. Always looks great if something ever goes down.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Variety is the spice of life!😎👊

[@clocksurfer]

@@camojoe83 🤣 We won't find out unless we find out. (But you're not wrong.)

[@zacharyfelkel7924]

The Norma 9mm MHP is a better choice imo because it dumps all the energy on target but also opens up to be bigger than a 45 hst round. Gets about 9-11” of penetration which is usually enough to get the job done.

[@xmrplayboy9753]

A BB or Grizzly 180gr jhp will create a nasty wound upfront as it is. I think the real interesting thing about superlight rounds like these is the potential to penetrate body armor. Especially with how these are jhp that just disintegrate in gel, it is wild how they make it through armor.

[@basementality4924]

I only carry liberty civil defense. In my pocket 380, and my 9mm carry. Super light and super fast and dumps all the energy so no over penetration.

[@shazmodeus2795]

if they could figure out a way to retool their mold so that the disc has a point on it, basically a bullet tip inside the hollow point cavity, it might fix their wild veering off issue.

[@MrSumGuns]

I carry Liberty in my G27 tool. Great video as always thanks! Love your ballistics tests helps me out in selection of the fuel I will use in my tools.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate that!😎👊

[@caleb6988]

The best freedom seed testing channel on KZbin. Thank you brother tools for another great video

[@randyhavard6084]

One thing about these rounds is it would stop someone even if you hit them in the arm or leg because it would probably blow it off

[@andrewduis1881]

Your not sold on these rounds because you are "old School". Me too !!! However this round is in my opinion very effective. Lower recoil for follow up shots and even effect in Car doors. Performs the same as in GEL. I carry 5 of these in my 15 round mag and the rest are Sig Sauger 180 gr. H.P......

[@brockhowell2296]

Lots of sizzle with Liberty Ammo, but considering these things are never under $1/round going w/the steak seems to be a lot more practical. You can get something like Winchester white box JHP with 50 rounds for about the same price as you would w/these for only 20 rounds.

[@jesusbarraza1695]

To me, all these different rounds are ment for different situations, I'd use something like the 2400 ft per second round for hunting small game or for aggressive dog defense & save my heavier Buffalo Bore for self defense

[@normangiven6436]

I like the way it curves off. Just like the Russian 5.45 poison bullet. Nothing like a smooth arc to scoop up points for a less than optimal strike.

[@jay4627]

The civil defense rounds will penetrate soft body armor, making it very interesting

[@nikos6220]

Just like you, I am not sold on this design. That penetration of the frag elements is super shallow and if were to hit it any structure it would probably be even less. And the non-straight path of the disc concerns me as well. Looks like you could have a perfect center mass shot and still miss everything you wanted to hit.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Them skinny ones don't have a lot of curve room either.😆

[@nikos6220]

@@ToolsandTargets new name - big city down town self defense ammo. 150 lb and in 😂

[@matthewatowe2009]

When I ran the 60gr Liberty Civil Defense through my RI 1911 I would get stove pipe jams and failure to cycle. I switched to FMJ 180gr and didn't have any problems again my thoughts where 60gr wasn't enough to cycle my 1911. I'm not a big fan of the 60gr

[@joeart7722]

PLEASE test in the new Ruger LC carbine 10 mm

[@RealtyPro7]

I’m still trailing way behind on the videos! Lol. But I have that exact same feeling about this ammo and the results. It would probably be great stuff if you were going to be in a situation where guaranteed lower penetration was needed, yet still a great deal of damage. But it is the penetration that tends to cause fight ending damage, such as reaching the CNS. Maybe if they had more of a spherical base rather than a disc? That might tend to get deeper and fly straight. If I shoot center mass, whether it be low, middle or high…I expect 10mm to reach the spine from the front regardless of organs or bone. And that keeps going full circle back to the Underwood XD and XP. It’s light per caliber and fast as well. Creates tissue disruption. But it gets just a bit beyond the high side of that 12-18 inch and stays intact. It’s still the one to beat imo. It’s great to have the different types of ammo available to meet different needs!

[@Kaelland]

It's disappointing that we didn't get 50-yard velocities from this since the "real 10mm" threshold is defined by 50-yard (actually meter, but close enough) velocities and energy numbers, but I think we can tell enough from the 10-yard velocities. With the 60 grain bullets, our 3-shot average velocity at 10 yards was 2146 feet per second for an average 10-yard energy of 613 energy foot pounds. In order to be under "real 10mm" energy levels at 50 yards, we would have to see the velocity drop below 1826 feet per second (it's at 444 energy foot pounds at 1826 fps, which is the floor for "real 10mm). With the 70 grain bullets, the 3-shot average velocity at 10 yards was 2005 feet per second, giving us an average 10-yard energy of 625 energy foot pounds. In order to be under the "real 10mm" threshold, our 50-yard velocity for the 70-grain bullet would have to drop below 1690 feet per second in order to drop below the 444 energy foot pound floor. In both cases, that's a lot of velocity to have to lose to drop below "real 10mm" levels. And from what we've seen with other rounds, there's not anywhere near that much velocity loss between 10 and 50 yards.

[@ToolsandTargets]

The first thing I thought of when I didn't get the 50 yard data was, Kaelland aint gonna be happy about this!😂

[@Kaelland]

@@ToolsandTargets I'm certainly disappointed, but I know it's not your fault. The magic chronograph can only do so much against magic ammo, right?

[@ToolsandTargets]

@@Kaelland Labradar kryptonite?! 😱😱😱

[@augustus_caeser1353]

These exotic type of rounds always look cool in gel but considering bone and various other barriers, I couldn’t bring myself to carry them…weight retention and penetration are most important for me, thanks for doing all these tests 👍

[@almaadams3631]

It is a mistake to follow FBI "logic" dumping over 500lbs of energy into the thoratic cavity is what causes the hydraulic capillary concussion. Yes, instant incapacitation( not instant death) is what is required of handgun rounds. The FBI are idiots........do not trust idiots.

[@valeriyGennadyevich]

Just try them on a boar vs your favorite hp of choice. You will be surprised how fast the boar will drop from even 9mm civil deffense

[@vaden706]

Penetration is precisely what I don’t want. You’re responsible for every round you fire. Your 180 grain 10mm will blow right through multiple people beyond your attacker. Smarten up

[@bobtaylor1657]

I've seen these rounds tested in several calibers. I have them loaded in my Glock 22 and appreciated the lighter weight of three full magazines on my duty belt. It seems testing is done either on ballistic gel or watermelons. BUT, what happens when these rounds hit bone???

[@charlesmorgan1879]

Not sure about these rounds either but seems would make a messy gut shot...my light for caliber are 140gr barnes & new addition of underwood extreme penetrators in 40s&w.

[@ToolsandTargets]

They would make a gut smoothie!

[@backroad4167]

I had some civil defense In 9mm we shot it at level 3 Kevlar vest inserts and every round defeated it complete pass through. Ball ammo ,hydrashock,xtp all those stopped without penetration but the civil def went plum through it I didn’t expect that

[@petemidwest1071]

Clear and concise as usual! Interesting results...IMHO...great stuff for a perfect shot...what about a barrier? Hits hard but as far as all around? Ehh! I dig all around better. Car glass? Car door? Seems like limited purpose. Good info!👍🏼

[@ToolsandTargets]

The barrier uncertainty is part of the doubt for me.

[@johnmatthes8608]

Another channel tested these through level III A vests and they zipped right through and still penetrated 12" of gel. Another channel sent these through car door and again still went through 11" of gel.

[@user-oy9zy4ds9m]

Almost 2400 fps that’s almost like 62 grain 5.56 from a 10” SBR barrel.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Almost only count in horseshoes and hand grenades.😜

[@sylviajones3355]

Love what you do. Keep 'em coming. Sidenote: Paul Harrell made a major announcement today. Keep him your prayers friends. 😞

[@ToolsandTargets]

I saw that. Really hate to hear it. That's one of the worst too, depending on when they caught it.😣

[@jimster1111]

RIP paul harrell. gone too soon.

[@scottodonahoe9505]

Tears crap up . I love it ! Center mass shots will cure the curvy wurvys !

[@ToolsandTargets]

True. With as "robust" as folks are today, there's a lotta room to curve and swerve.😂

[@noahmercy-mann4323]

While the performance in this test is good, I'll still take a bonded lead-core HP for my carry guns. Like you, I prefer more penetration and a predictable bullet path. I will say, though, that the Civil Defense is good on varmints from a PCC. Shot a coyote at 60 yards with a 9mm CD; DRT, and a nice pelt because the exit hole was tiny (just the bullet base). Inside wasn't so nice..."soup" is probably the best descriptor.😬

[@ToolsandTargets]

Coyote Soup!💥🐺💨🥣

[@racecitypatriot66]

Hot damn! They dump some energy. Especially that first one. Another great video tools, as always. Thanks for everything you do brother.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you as always, my friend!😎👊

[@DRAGONRIDER385]

A good test,, thanks. I use the Civil Defense in my EDC ,,, 9mm and 45ACP.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@champlow8522]

Great video as usual! I depend on your reviews before i purchase ammo! Can’t wait for you to stream live!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Appreciate that.😎👊

[@RL-RL]

The speeds are there due to the light weight of the projectile. Would I carry these? Only for two legged critters. For big four legged monsters, not enough weight, and not enough ft. lbs of energy. For 10MM I want speed, energy, and a large opening projectile.

[@ToolsandTargets]

💥🐺💥

[@prestoncoll876]

All my EDC's are Liberty Civil

[@eatrocksinhell]

@ToolsandTargets Brian: Would love to see these light, super fast projectiles tested as follows... Use a 3 inch thick piece of an old, yellow block to simulate an arm hit before entering the main block. I'll bet the performance on the main gel block will be horribly lacking.

[@jeffreybean5363]

Those are some very impressive ammo.. Great video Tools 🇺🇸👍👊

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@somedude....]

I'd love to see the same test with a shorter barrel glock 29.

[@FalloutNewVegasMods44]

Please test Liberty 10mm 60 grain at range in gel. We all want to see what it does at 50-100 yards

[@stolnpckup]

Either one is good. But I still would not be on the business end of either. Cause the disc would go anywhere and cause more damage. Great test though.

[@michaelvinson8662]

You need to watch it perform against the Kevlar vest. There was another guy on this KZbin channel that was shooting Kevlar vest was a civil defense

[@JJ_SDWR]

Good test but I like sticking with more traditional weights-for-caliber

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Same here.😎👊

[@tlock4616]

I agree. Looks Impressive, but just too light for me.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@cw2a]

Evening man! Intresting! Im not a fan of super light weights for caliber for carry. But gonna be good ta see what happens!

[@ToolsandTargets]

I almost didn't recognize your comment with the new picture!😎👊

[@cw2a]

@@ToolsandTargets Gotta keep em guessin' Brother B!

[@lutherpayne9957]

I have been tempted to try these out of my TNW Aero Carbine... Just not too sure they would have the penetration needed. Great presentation. Cheers

[@ToolsandTargets]

Would be interesting to see how much penetration it gets. Thank you sir.😎👊

[@pewpewTN]

I have a couple boxes of the 60 grain, but I haven't seen the 70 grain in person yet. These honestly aren't awful. You save a little weight, little less recoil & it makes an absolute mess in whatever it hits.

[@ToolsandTargets]

More weight in that disc definitely isn't a bad thing.😎👍

[@etherealswordsman3214]

not a huge fan of fracturing bullets, but i see the appeal

[@johnb7430]

I wouldn't even be bothered if they fragmented and totally dumped all energy within 8" after passing the thick clothing. Provided there was a wide disruption path over 2". My opinion is that unlike FBI / LEO, shooting through a barrier to a threat will get a civilian in deep doodoo more often than not.

[@rsbreeze]

Blaaaammmmm! 10mm or no mm!

[@ToolsandTargets]

💥💣💥

[@nanjingldv]

Wow! Hard to decide which one to get!!😮

[@BillHimmel]

Looks like an almost perfect home-defense ammo! Thx a lot for the testing!

[@-Zevin-]

I think these high velocity light for caliber rounds are actually great for specific scenarios, one bullet just can't do it all, but for summer time civilian self defense I think it's great, most people in the summer are wearing light clothing and nothing else, in the winter when heavy jackets and layers are a factor there are better options. Personally I like it, it's nice to switch it up depending on the situation. Obviously it's not ideal for a "duty" gun if barriers are a concern, not great for police. However for most people we aren't realistically going to ever shoot through barriers. Now I know some of y'all think your going to get attacked by a entire gang of people and have to shoot through drywall, and auto glass and car doors etc, like some kind of over the top 1980s action film... but lets be real, in 999/1000 self defense cases it's up close and personal person to person self *defense* unless you got the entire mafia chasing you...

[@tommylitchfield3450]

I keep a mag loaded up with the Liberty Ultra Light Civil Defense that has a two piece "brass" with an aluminum casehead and steel walls, similar to how the new Spear ammo is made. A 12 round mag full of this stuff weighs almost 1 & 1/2 ounces less than a 10 round mag loaded with 115JHP in 9mm. so it goes in my pocket as a spare when I am wearing shorts with no belt. It would be my first choice against coyotes and such, since it is DEVASTATING in a short distance, but I'm like you... I don't trust it enough for regular EDC since it fragments so dramatically. But as a lightweight extra mag, I sure like it. If I ever need that mag for real, then it's already Katy bar the door anyway, and I have seen videos where that little base will penetrate Class II armor.

[@ToolsandTargets]

The difference in weight is huge without a doubt.😎👊

[@kathygates8845]

THANK YOU TOOL FOR A GREAT VIDEO ... !!!!!!! FOR ME..? ? - - PUNCH OR HST OR NOSLER ....!!!!!! GREAT SHOW AND TELL ...!!!!! DOUBLE G. HERE ...!!!!!!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you, brother!😎👊

[@wadelucero6461]

I would like to see this test with 10mm carbine

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@josephpacchetti5997]

The way the base curves reminds me of what happens when you shoot a flat rock from a slingshot, like you said, they do what they are designed to do, but I'm going to hang on to the HSTs, Thanks Brian. 👍

[@ToolsandTargets]

I just got finished cleaning these blocks. Maybe that's what keeps me from liking these.😂😂😂

[@josephpacchetti5997]

@@ToolsandTargets 🤣 👍

[@woodybowen5362]

I’m sold. For the intended purpose-bedside (G-20 or G-29) piece to protect my home & family. Devastating wound channel, no over penetration.

[@jonkulesa9001]

I just bought some of this stuff in .45 too.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Tested the .45 along with this regular 10mm back when I first did it.😎👊

[@Watchdog_UFOtestpilot]

10mm is my absolute favorite handgun round, and I EDC an FN510, since I got one for Father’s Day. I have about 12 different types of serious ammo for it (I typically run American Eagle for all target stuff), that are either hollow, hardcast, or frangible. I’m interested in checking out anything hot coming out in 10mm, because why not? That said, my preference for bedside home defense is .45 and a tactical light. Maybe I can get lucky and the wife will get me an FN545 for Christmas and I can put my beloved 1911 back in the main safe.

[@joshmatlock3410]

What rounds do you use for EDC? Right now I go between Underwood 150’s and 180’s, but they sure are spicy. I’m sure interested in using a round such as this that makes carrying light and saves my wrists a bit.

[@Watchdog_UFOtestpilot]

@@joshmatlock3410 I use Federal Premium HST 200gr because that’s what Portland Police use. It’s extremely consistent and reliable, approved by the feds/police, and will hold up in court if I need to use it. In the woods I run the underwood extreme penetrator 140 gr platinum (coated copper).

[@joshmatlock3410]

@@Watchdog_UFOtestpilot Thanks brother!

[@Chachi636]

Can you please try the budget winchester white box in .40 s&w? Ive only seen one other video on it and it performed much better compared to the 9mm winchester. Thank you for everything you do ❤

[@Dwayne7834]

As in the other video and test of this bullet . I still don’t know about carrying them. I stick with the older line of bullets. Thanks for the video. 👍

[@ToolsandTargets]

One thing that would be nice about carrying them is they are a whole lot lighter than a mag full of lead hollows.

[@Dwayne7834]

@@ToolsandTargets I can see the point of the lighter for carrying. It could add up with 2-3 magazines full. Thanks for your input and reply.

[@funwithballistics1016]

Both rounds did very well but i prefer the Civil Defense personally. You should try Simx Defensecore. Great video! Thanks for this one!

[@trustnot9]

I think both rounds did very good. gREAT TEST MY FRIEND AND I THINK I'LL ORDER A BOX OF EACH OF THOSE ROUNDS, tHANKS FOR THE INFO, GOOD JOB AS ALWAYS.

[@Hanover_Fist]

Thanks again Tools.....They look like a very good home defense round.....I would not even want to get winged by one (Civil Defense). I wander what they would do out of a PCC?

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yeah, they would tear off a nice chunk getting winged by it.😆😆😆

[@randytrivitt6539]

Personally like the 10mm my sleef!! Hot ronds for big game or predators!! Got to have some of that!! Especially for up close incounters!! Great video appreciate the quality and the opinions!!👍👍👍🙌

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Appreciate that.😎👊

[@charlesguerrero187]

It curbs because the gel block bends ... put a heavy board on top of the entire gel block and it will go straight!

[@ToolsandTargets]

🤦‍♂️

[@bullpolizei]

Cool test, definitely a surgeon's nightmare with all the pieces left behind. Would I carry it?, probably not. My opinion is that a 10mm needs to hit hard and go far. It should be an all purpose round, for four legs and two. Thoughts?

[@ToolsandTargets]

I'm with ya. If I can't take out Yogi and BooBoo to protect my picinick baskets, I don't want it!💥🐻💥

[@glockholliday7490]

I am digging all the 10mm

[@ToolsandTargets]

It's like I got a pile of em to test all at once. Got two more on the next handgun test batch.😆

[@bestusernameevahhh5802]

Civil defense won me over. Its pricey compared to others, but man can i feel the difference. I always train with my old ammo as i cycle it out and the difference in recoil was noticeable enough. The way it dumps energy and penetration abilities are why it become mine and my gfs edc. I doubt ill ever need to pop through soft armor, but if I do, I know I can.

[@Hammerback0]

My man!! Thank you Tools!! This is what i wanted to see! Video just starting, excited to see the overwatch. I love the stuff. Thanks Tools!!!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate you, brother!😎👊

[@loquat44-40]

It has large pistol primers instead of small pistol primers.

[@microsnook3]

Wouldn't the continuing projectiles tumbling create further damage inside a body? This is a good thing isn't it? Or no?

[@Rusonekox9]

Not sure if i like it, humans bodies do have muscle, bones and fat to consider the baseplate penetrationwhich the gel test lacks for testing. 🤔 still worth considering besides the underwood ammunition.