Fastest Argument: Super Buu IS STRONGER Than Kid Buu

[@cinemamadness6920]

I'm not a Kid Buu stan, I just see the evidence. 1. Goku got stronger throughout the series with huge power zenkais. 2. He was equalling Mystic Gohan in just SS form inside Buu. 3. Mystic Gohan along with everyone else's genki energy in Earth was initially pushed back by Kid Buu, meaning Kid Buu was stronger than Mystic Gohan, Piccolo, Goten, Trunks, Tien, Android 17 plus all earthlings combined. 4. Kid Buu was the final Buu. When is a final anime villain weaker than its previous form? 5. SuperBuus regeneration was weakening in their fights, Kid Buus regeneration was always instant, even though he was blown apart far more often. In the manga is kid Buu stronger? Maybe not, am sure maybe the inner Buu stuff is filler, but it is in the anime, so you can't just ignore it. Goku was in fact stronger than Mystic Gohan, by a lot, and what made Kid Buu stronger was his durability/limitless ki. It would be like who's stronger Piccolo or 17? Maybe Piccolo was stronger but 17 would beat him. Or look at Mahon Vegeta vs Fat Buu. Mahon Vegeta was clearly stronger at first but Fat Buus power wasn't weakening him and he kept regenerating. Again, Super Buu was weakening but Kid Buu remained full power, so even if you wanna say Super Buu is stronger, we can all agree Kid Buu would outlast him. Not to mention he had instant transmission.

[@ssjlalo]

🤦‍♂️this guy

[@MikatheVoidStar]

In the manga kid buu is never stated to be stronger, and the only arguement would be the "Kid buu pushed back the spirit bomb which had all of their energies". But in the anime however, we have ✨statements✨ "You're on a whole other level from every other boo until now" -Goku "He has returned to the most dangerous, powerful majin buu" -Elder Kai "Maybe I want to say that the small buu is the strongest" - The chef writer

[@badprofilepic882]

It's important to remember that the anime powerscaling and the manga powerscaling are two entirely different things

[@realAndresilver]

The 4"1 pink blop meat riding is crazy

[@realAndresilver]

Dbz ep 274 is filler btw

[@VGamingJunkieVT]

I like the analogy someone came up with, Super Buu's like a violent body builder and Kid Buu's a scrawny serial killer. He isn't dangerous because he's so powerful, he's dangerous because he's unpredictable. He blew up the planet for no reason.

[@CornaOnTheCob]

That actually makes a lot of sense.

[@Mudoh415]

I never really thought about it, but there wasn’t even anybody left on Earth for him to kill.

[@jdrmanmusiqking]

Kid Buu stands keep saying this irrelevant thing. The argument is who's STRONGER not more dangerous Kid Buu people just want the dopamine rush from gettin someone to agree with them on absolutely anything

[@SuperKamiGuruu]

@@jdrmanmusiqking you BuuhanTards just refuse to accept the mountain of evidence showing that Kid Buu > all Buus

[@smaragdchaos]

You can't be dangerous if you're weak in Dragon Ball universe, so this analogy just doesn't work

[@hunterst6321]

Perfect Cell reverted to Semi-Perfect Cell, so therefore Semi-Perfect Cell is the strongest form of Cell.

[@CornaOnTheCob]

Yeah it makes sense, 'cuz Perfect Cell couldn't kill Goku. They were even in strength, while Semi-Perfect Cell killed Goku with all of his energy. Guh-Uh!! 🤪

[@My_Master_Waves]

I'm gonna use this next time I debate those crazy Kid Buu fans who claim he's stronger cuz he came later than other buu forms.

[@Where_da_cheese_at]

Lmfaooo 💀

[@SuperKamiGuruu]

False equivalency

[@tarzangrant123]

I don’t get how that’s the same? First off Cell is an android, therefore when he evolves, his next next form is suppose to be more powerful. It’s similar to getting a computer, after awhile you need to upgrade for better performance. Cell needs to upgrade to get powerful, that was part of his programming

[@MagnusZero]

...Why are people still debating this? No matter which version of DB we've watched or read, the narrative never gave any implication that Kid Buu was the strongest. If he was, then Goku and Vegeta are literally fiction's biggest idiots for even entertaining the idea of fighting him unfused (when Super Buu forced them to in comparison). After so many blatant statements from the characters themselves and just using common sense, this is literally not up for debate.

[@SuperKamiGuruu]

Wrong DBZ KAI Episode 60 (158) 3min45sec mark Sub - S-so then, can you beat Boo? He has reverted to being the most dangerous and powerful Majin Boo there is." Dub- So you two are confident you can still defeat Majin Buu even though he's reverted to the most primitive, dangerous , and powerful version of himself? DBZ Kai Episode 159 (61) 3min18 Sec Mark Sub "Majin Buu...He might be a screwball, but his power, his speed, and his recuperateive ability is amazing. This Boo ain't anywhere near what he's been up to now He's out of this world strong." Dub - "This Boo...he may not be the smartest and I'm not even sure if he's sane, but his power and speed are out of this world. And he can regenerate from damage almost instantly! This is definitely his most dangerous form."

[@shinobiwar6230]

@@SuperKamiGuruu wrong

[@shinobiwar6230]

@@SuperKamiGuruu False information

[@Authenticnerd123]

​@@SuperKamiGuruuHe became most dangerous form of pure buu not fusion buu like buutenx, buuhan. Kid buu was stronger than super buu. But thats it. Buuhan was thousand times stronger than pure super buu. And vegito needed SSJ form to beat him. And vegito base>SSJ3 goku. So stop this kid buu nonsense

[@Nero-f2p]

​@@Authenticnerd123No, Kid Buu was not stronger than the Super Buu we know, Super Buu, the one who appeared in the manga after Evil Buu ate Mr. Buu, is a Majin Buu who no longer suffers from the problem of Fat Buu, who was weakened by having a pure heart when the Great Kaioshin was absorbed by Buff Buu

[@Wicks897]

Goku against Super Buu: “WE NEED FUSION VEGETA OR WE’LL BE KILLED” Goku against Kid Buu: “Damn Vegeta, at full power I can take this kid”.

[@jaxsetbertoncarlism8873]

No doubt mystic buu is far more of a threat but half these arguments aren't about base super buu vs kid buu

[@RacingSnails64]

Exactly. They had to fight Super Buu fused, but could take Kid Buu solo.

[@RacingSnails64]

@@jaxsetbertoncarlism8873Hm good point. I still feel base Super Buu is stronger given he's two Buus in one.

[@Wicks897]

@@jaxsetbertoncarlism8873 yea they are. This is exactly what Goku says in response to both individual buus in canon. Super Buu is so strong on his own that he merited Fusion to beat because Goku and Vegeta had no chance. Goku OUTRIGHT says this after they detach Gohan, Piccolo, Trunks and Goten.

[@Dr.Zoidberg_2914]

Goku in the manga literally wished he had potara against kid buu

[@NulloftheAbyss]

I never saw this as something that had any business being an argument to be honest, the answer to who's stronger always felt self explanatory.

[@MrHarrisonJBig]

Well I guess the logic behind this argument is because kid buu is the final villain in dbz that he has to be the strongest 😂

[@KaiserMattTygore927]

Exactly, it's just goofball thinking "the last guy is the strongest version of that guy always" which is obviously silly.

[@Eric6761]

​@@MrHarrisonJBigSuper buu: Arguments through logic, evidence through statments and interviews and databooks and series Kid buu: Lol it's the final Villain

[@MrHarrisonJBig]

@@Eric6761 lol..exactly

[@siuqramv3]

Statements in the The original English dub implied Kid Buu was the strongest not to mention the hype surrounding him

[@TerryB01]

Can’t believe we’re STILL having this conversation!

[@michaelsong3733]

Then clearly you dont know this community.

[@CornaOnTheCob]

Can't believe this is EVEN a conversation!

[@Gimas96]

Infact,everyone who carefully watched the fight against kid buu would notice some particular that easily prove that kid buu was stronger then Super buu(excluding Buutenks and Buuhan).

[@st8ofmind325]

Welcome to dragon ball.

[@aeida6140]

@@Gimas96 anyone that can actually read the manga and has analyzed the show knows that is not true and that kid buu is weaker than super buu.

[@KaiserMattTygore927]

"Look at him he's a midget!" Imagine having Vegeta of all people say this, ever.

[@soloknight7197]

"He's talking about Buu's height only bro. I swear. Him being 5'3" and the 2nd strongest in the 5'0" Freeza Force has nothing to do with Kid Buu"

[@X02Overdose]

Goku was shitting himself at the thought of having to face Super Buu (while him and Vegeta were in Buus body) while he was pretty confident he could take Kid Buu

[@QaamansLand]

So you basically just summarized the video?

[@DaBossMn]

@@QaamansLandlooks like it

[@007ejgaming]

Thank you I’ve been saying this shit forever

[@X02Overdose]

@@QaamansLand people have flat out ignored this undeniable evidence when I present it to them lol

[@AlanJia8]

After Super Buu appeared, they said he was getting stronger then Kid Buu appeared

[@ssjsal2159]

Goku wanted no smoke with super buu and goku is a guy who doesn’t shy away from a challenge very often, if at all

[@webbiefade14]

This. Ppl don't realize Goku is a prideful warrior too, he doesn't like fusing himself. He's just more realistic and not stubborn like Vegeta. But if there's even a 5% chance that Goku can get it done with his own power he is absolutely taking that chance every single time.

[@blessedxxiii8908]

he freaked out when gohan dropped the potato earring he knows ssj3 stands zero chance against super buu lol

[@SuperKamiGuruu]

@@blessedxxiii8908 Goku also admitted that they needed the potara for Kid Buu. Go watch dragon ball

[@SuperKamiGuruu]

DBZ KAI Episode 60 (158) 3min45sec mark Sub - S-so then, can you beat Boo? He has reverted to being the most dangerous and powerful Majin Boo there is." Dub- So you two are confident you can still defeat Majin Buu even though he's reverted to the most primitive, dangerous , and powerful version of himself? DBZ Kai Episode 159 (61) 3min18 Sec Mark Sub "Majin Buu...He might be a screwball, but his power, his speed, and his recuperateive ability is amazing. This Boo ain't anywhere near what he's been up to now He's out of this world strong." Dub - "This Boo...he may not be the smartest and I'm not even sure if he's sane, but his power and speed are out of this world. And he can regenerate from damage almost instantly! This is definitely his most dangerous form."

[@SuperKamiGuruu]

He still fought super buu

[@chefinabottle]

Bruh I really never cared for the whole "but the anime said..." doesn't matter. There was no way Kid Buu by himself is stronger than Super Buu with Gohan, Gotenks and Piccolo absorbed. He's just more relentless and unhinged is how I always saw it

[@teriyakisauce7320]

Hell, I wouldn't even say Kid Buu is stronger than base Super Buu

[@Luke973T]

Exactly

[@Wicks897]

@@teriyakisauce7320 cause he isn’t. One is so strong Goku outright shits himself at the idea of facing him even with SSJ 2 Vegeta as back up and gets mad at him for destroying Potara while the other is so much weaker that Goku is confident that his full power is enough to obliterate him. Super Buu murderstomps as per canon. Word for word from Goku.

[@justinarzola4584]

Years ago I would have said kid Buu was stronger but after rewatching and seeing all the amps super Buu had compared to kid Buu the question is much easier to answer.

[@billywilliams8378]

It’s hilarious that the anime is ignored but the first point of the video was evidence by the screenwriter of the anime.

[@BlackLotusFlame]

I would call him Peekaboo, but spelled like Picco-Buu. Sounds silly enough for a Toriyama based name scheme, like Bibidi and Babidi

[@tarrenceprice9458]

😂😂 I love this!!

[@CornaOnTheCob]

Wasted opportunity, Toriyama!

[@Raven___]

The fact that even to this day some people truly believe that Kid Buu is the strongest Buu genuinely baffles me. I mean, do people use their eyes and brains or not? It took Vegito, A FUSION of Goku and Vegeta, to beat Buuhan whereas Goku SSJ3 alone and Kid Buu were evenly matched. The same SSJ3 Goku was getting mocked by Buutenks, who’s weaker than Buuhan. Goku was terrified of even having to fight regular Super Buu but had the confidence to say that he would’ve been able to obliterate Kid Buu if he fought him with SSJ3 from the start, also the same Goku who didn’t dare to challenge Super Buu. And, as the final argument, do y’all remember (Good) Fat Buu? Yes, the same Fat Buu who was embarassed by Evil Buu (the gray one). Well, that Fat Buu, who was NOT as powerful as he was when he was released from the ball (at the time, he had Evil Buu inside him) managed to give Kid Buu a heck of a fight, so that says a lot on its own. The arguments like “BuT tHe eLdEr kAi!1!1!”, “BuT tHe sPiRit bOmB!1!1”, “bUt hE iS tHe FinAL viLLaiN!1!1!” are ALL invalid, because one was both a confirmed translation error and a filler episode, the other is neglected by the fact that Kid Buu was able to push the Spirit Bomb back ONLY because Goku didn’t have any power left to push it on him, the reason behind the third wish granted by Shenron (or else why tf would he want his energy restored?) and the last one is simply dumb, because he is not the final villain, he’s THE ORIGINAL one, which is waaay different. Kid Buu was the most dangerous one only due to him being batshit crazy, not power wise. So, the FINAL VERDICT: Buuhan > Buutenks > Buuccolo > Super Buu > Fat Buu > Evil Buu > Kid Buu > Good Buu. END. OF. THE. DEBATE. EDIT: for anyone who had the patience to read this, feel free to CTRL + C and use this against any Kid Buu tards you encounter if you want. If they still won’t listen, then they’re a delusional lost cause and you should probably stop wasting your time any further.

[@SuperKamiGuruu]

Go watch the part where Goku literally says he shouldn't have destroyed the potara and instead fused to fight Kid Buu

[@Raven___]

@@SuperKamiGuruu Tf are you on? He said that right after Vegeta destroyed them inside Buu, because he didn’t know if their plan was gonna work and if he was gonna be weaker at all once they took everyone out. He was literally relieved as soon as he saw and felt Kid Buu’s power, in fact he was confident enough that he said he could’ve destroyed him if he was at full power and used SSJ3 from the start, whereas he didn’t even dare to fight Super Buu as SSJ3. Buutenks and Buuhan literally toyed with him. End of the debate man.

[@SuperKamiGuruu]

​@@Raven___ Go read/watch dragon ball. Goku after fighting Kid Buu as ssj3 said that he shouldn't have tried to be cool and destroy the potara earrings because of how powerful Buu was. Also Goku and Vegeta were shrunken and 1/100 of their power, which is why he specifically says they couldn't go out and face Buu *like this* . They weren't as strong as vegito and doubted they would retain their full power in a shrunken state like how vegito could.

[@SuperKamiGuruu]

​@@Raven___ DBZ KAI Episode 60 (158) 3min45sec mark Sub - S-so then, can you beat Boo? He has reverted to being the most dangerous and powerful Majin Boo there is." Dub- So you two are confident you can still defeat Majin Buu even though he's reverted to the most primitive, dangerous , and powerful version of himself? DBZ Kai Episode 159 (61) 3min18 Sec Mark Sub "Majin Buu...He might be a screwball, but his power, his speed, and his recuperateive ability is amazing. This Boo ain't anywhere near what he's been up to now He's out of this world strong." Dub - "This Boo...he may not be the smartest and I'm not even sure if he's sane, but his power and speed are out of this world. And he can regenerate from damage almost instantly! This is definitely his most dangerous form."

[@Raven___]

@@SuperKamiGuruu Bro, i simply don’t know what to say to you at this point, you’re either delusional or simply don’t understand simple logic, because how in the world can Kid Buu be stronger than Buuhan, Buutenks or even Super Buu when he was going toe to toe with an incredibly weakened and drained SSJ3 Goku whereas the other 3 TOYED with both SSJ3 Goku and SSJ2 Vegeta? As for the translation, do i even need to remind you how many times the ones in charge of the translation did a terrible job and got their shit retconned later on in the show? This dialogue is the prime example of it. If you truly believe Kid Buu is the most powerful Buu while ignoring the fact that Buuhan had literally absorbed the 2 strongest characters in the Buu saga (Ultimate Gohan and Gotenks), then we can end our discussion here, because that shit is like saying Semi-Perfect Cell was stronger than Perfect Cell after losing 18 because he came after and managed to kill Goku.

[@genesys6167]

why do i get the feeling that if mystic/ultimate Gohan fought kid buu people wouldn't say that at all?

[@theflashfan3234]

Haha I've noticed a LOT of newer creators throwing their hats in the ring, all arguing for Kid Buu, with incredibly shaky logic in the past year. Personally to me, it wasn't even a question of Kid Buu against Buutenks or Buuhan, simply because Buu himself CLEARLY remembers his time as Kid Buu, yet still both times after the absorptions refers to himself as the Strongest Buu ever. Some people like to say that after losing Fat Buu, it's stated that he is actually getting stronger, but conveniently leave out the context that that is in reference to Huge Buu, who THEN condenses into Kid Buu, after which Goku and Vegeta are instantly confident again in being able to take him. This is supported by the Daizenshuu 7 which outright says that Kid Buu is weaker than Huge Buu, and only got weaker after absorbing the Grand Kaioshin. There's some people that like to say that even despite all that SS3 Goku is actually stronger than Gohan due to... Fusion or something? And scaling to HIM, makes Kid Buu actually stronger. But AGAIN conveniently ignore the fact that immediately upon defusing, Goku wants to preserve the Potara to fight Buu. More importantly, after freeing the others says that Buu's ki is smaller (base Super Buu), meaning he can sense ki inside him and says nothing of his or Vegeta's supposed Fusion boost. And even MORE importantly, literally the panel after that says that if the two were to go and face him they'd stand no chance and that Super Buu was out of their league. Yk, the same guy that Gohan stomped. And of course this is after they have defused. Some people then like to double down on this and say, that actually due to being smaller and inside of Buu, they were actually weaker and had no idea that they could go out. And this is again disproven by the manga itself, as stated above Goku can sense ki inside of Buu and says nothing of this supposed decrease inside of Buu. When confronted by Buu, he is also regretting crushing the Potara (reinforcing that Gohan is stronger than SS3), but also genuinely thinks blowing up Buu from the inside is an actual threat, and when Buu reveals that he can heal from that, the panel immediately shows Goku surprised i.e. he literally did not know that was possible and actually thought they could leave with no problem and fight Buu at full strength. Of course this is to say nothing of their confidence in the world of Kais and their refusal to use the Potara, Goku's pretty head to head fight with Kid Buu, and him lamenting that at full strength he could beat Kid Buu. All of which he was sure he could NOT do against base Super Buu even with SS2 Vegeta's help. If still confused, we can also throw in Kibito Kai's outright statement that he is the most dangerous due to his unpredictable nature, not his strength. We can also add El Manga Legendario statements (which are from Toriyama's own Bird Studios) that say that Kid Buu is not the strongest form, and if Gohan or Gotenks were present, the fight would be a cake walk. For a good measure we can also add the the Kanzenban Official Guide which outright states that having Good Buu removed made Kid Buu weaker. A lot of words to say that, the largely accepted conclusion for most these years has been the right one. Vegito > Buuhan > Buutenks > Gohan > Buuccolo > Super Buu > Full Power SS3 Goku (allegedly) > Kid Buu >= SS3 Goku

[@QaamansLand]

I'm not a new creator...

[@theflashfan3234]

@@QaamansLand ofc you're not lol, I know you've been around for a long time and watched you before I even had an account. I said that because I'd been having a LOT of SS3 vs Ultimate Gohan, and Super Buu vs Kid Buu videos in my feed, all made in the past year and saw a pattern, thought that you'd noticed and that's why you made your own video shutting the argument down

[@TioCellEvolution786]

There is no proof that Buuhan and Buutenks have memories of Kid Buu

[@theflashfan3234]

@@TioCellEvolution786 when Goku and Vegeta threaten to remove Fat Buu (who is the only chocolate victim who got "special treatment" and got cocooned )from inside Super Buu's body, thinking he will revert back to grey Evil Buu, Super Buu begs them to not do so because, "I won't be me anymore!" Clearly referring to the loss of his sanity and reversion to his Kid Buu state where he is without any inhibitions or plans. This happens in chapter 507. If Super Buu remembers Kid Buu, logically Buutenks and Buuhan do as well.

[@TioCellEvolution786]

@@theflashfan3234 Super Buu does not have memories like Kid Buu, because if he had, Fat Buu would also have knowledge of Kid Buu, which is not the case, Because according to him, when Mr.Satan asked him why he kills and destroys things, according to Buu, it was because Bibidi taught him that doing this is "fun", but this does not apply to Kid Buu, as he was not taught by Bibidi about causing killing and destruction, this is something natural to him, since birth, he has been doing this. Regarding Super Buu's speech, this is because Super Buu is the result of the combination of Fat Buu (after the separation) + Gray Buu, without Fat Buu, he ceases to exist. And even though Super Buu is aware of the existence of his pure form, the fear of him not wanting to return to being pure Buu is not linked to power but rather to losing his ability to reason.

[@MonoHerobrine]

To me, Kid Buu is like The Joker, whilst Super Buu is like Bane. One unhinged and unpredictable, the other much more stronger and calculated (more so after absorbing the other fighters).

[@tarrenceprice9458]

Great comparison!

[@MonoHerobrine]

@@tarrenceprice9458 Thanks ^u^

[@-toxicus-8582]

I love how people claim Super Buu is more «calculated» as if he is a super genius, yet he was forgetting to use his sensory abilities to fight Vegetto instead of using his raw eyes, something even Kid Gohan knew how to do in the Saiyans Arc. Super Buu only knows how to plot absorbtions, he is an absolute dumbass of a fighter. Even Kid Buu makes smarter decisions instinctively and has always shown nearly-perfect ki control

[@Firemarioflower]

'dumbass of a fighter'. Yet he tricked two Kamikaze Ghosts to fly into eachother

[@Saiyan_Ryu]

Let's not forget the fact that Buutenks stated that he's stronger than he ever was before.

[@My_Master_Waves]

Wasn't it Buuhan who said he is the mightiest majin of all?

[@SuperKamiGuruu]

*At that point* , he wasn't lying. Following the chronology of events is important

[@gamefan56]

@@SuperKamiGuruu What do you mean at that point? Kid Buu had already existed long before the Buu saga even happened, so of course Super Buu would have known about his original strength and would be able to compare it.

[@kulo4912]

And also said he’s stronger than any future version of himself

[@SuperKamiGuruu]

@@kulo4912 which is obviously false.

[@ALEXANDERATTACK]

Due to general story telling, the games and filler alongside how wild Kid Buu is you really cannot blame fans for thinking this over the years.

[@jasonone8726]

Agreed and I usually laugh at most DB fans for what they say, but I can't blame them for this one. Yeah, the filler and games are to blame for this debate.

[@SuperKamiGuruu]

DBZ KAI Episode 60 (158) 3min45sec mark Sub - S-so then, can you beat Boo? He has reverted to being the most dangerous and powerful Majin Boo there is." Dub- So you two are confident you can still defeat Majin Buu even though he's reverted to the most primitive, dangerous , and powerful version of himself? DBZ Kai Episode 159 (61) 3min18 Sec Mark Sub "Majin Buu...He might be a screwball, but his power, his speed, and his recuperateive ability is amazing. This Boo ain't anywhere near what he's been up to now He's out of this world strong." Dub - "This Boo...he may not be the smartest and I'm not even sure if he's sane, but his power and speed are out of this world. And he can regenerate from damage almost instantly! This is definitely his most dangerous form."

[@-toxicus-8582]

you forgot to mention the plethora of manga-oriented guide statements, alongside DBS and Toriyama´s comments on the Buu Arc as well as the narrative indicators that Buu´s power is directly tied with how much malice he has in him (more malice=more access to his evil ki)

[@SuperKamiGuruu]

@@-toxicus-8582 The fact people don't comprehend pure Buu being *pure* evil and thus making him the strongest is astounding.

[@-toxicus-8582]

@@SuperKamiGuruu bold of you to assume DB fans can read that well

[@PMCanadaGoose]

I always thought that Kid Buu is weaker compared to the previous iterations, but he has more stamina instead. For example, each time the Buu(s), not Kid Buu, regenerated, they seem exhausted or angry. (Gohan vs Super Buu) (Vegito vs Buuhan). On the other hand, it seems that Kid Buu has no stamina problem on regen even though SSJ3 Goku was momentarily stronger and destroying multiple planets. But that's my head canon in the anime anyways.

[@SuperKamiGuruu]

DBZ KAI Episode 60 (158) 3min45sec mark Sub - S-so then, can you beat Boo? He has reverted to being the most dangerous and powerful Majin Boo there is." Dub- So you two are confident you can still defeat Majin Buu even though he's reverted to the most primitive, dangerous , and powerful version of himself? DBZ Kai Episode 159 (61) 3min18 Sec Mark Sub "Majin Buu...He might be a screwball, but his power, his speed, and his recuperateive ability is amazing. This Boo ain't anywhere near what he's been up to now He's out of this world strong." Dub - "This Boo...he may not be the smartest and I'm not even sure if he's sane, but his power and speed are out of this world. And he can regenerate from damage almost instantly! This is definitely his most dangerous form."

[@kayoinova9986]

Bro these kid buu meatriders are insane. It was stated multiple times that the super buu version was Buu's strongest state ever. Super buu's base was so much of a threat that it took a fusion ssj3 that was stronger than gokus version of ssj3 to even get buu to almost die. I swear, if I keep hearing these meatriders saying kid buu is stronger im going to hit my head on a rock.

[@SuperKamiGuruu]

Cope DBZ KAI Episode 60 (158) 3min45sec mark Sub - S-so then, can you beat Boo? He has reverted to being the most dangerous and powerful Majin Boo there is." Dub- So you two are confident you can still defeat Majin Buu even though he's reverted to the most primitive, dangerous , and powerful version of himself? DBZ Kai Episode 159 (61) 3min18 Sec Mark Sub "Majin Buu...He might be a screwball, but his power, his speed, and his recuperateive ability is amazing. This Boo ain't anywhere near what he's been up to now He's out of this world strong." Dub - "This Boo...he may not be the smartest and I'm not even sure if he's sane, but his power and speed are out of this world. And he can regenerate from damage almost instantly! This is definitely his most dangerous form."

[@kayoinova9986]

​@@SuperKamiGuruu Cope, theres been multiple youtubers posting the difference in power between a form of buu that is capable of destroying an ultimate gohan, which was easily scaled above ssj3 Goku and Gotens, and then in the manga, in comparison to a form thats fp ssj3 fodder. this same goku had stated a fusion was not nessecary multiple times in the case that a fully charged up ssj3 would be way to strong to defeat him. Lets also include the fact that this was BUUTENKS, which destroyed ultimate gohan, easily meaning in the fact this same kid buu would be a piece of trash towards him. It only took a spirit bomb to kill kid buu due to the fact that ssj3 drains his energy too quickly to be utilized to the extent to destroy buu. I hope you realize how the buu scaling works, please and thank you. NOTE: there was an episode which was deleted and removed which was ssj3 being stronger then ultimate, also including my point,

[@kayoinova9986]

Also let me include, Dangerous does not mean strongest. Please and thank you ;)

[@Firemarioflower]

Super Buu's scream can rip holes in dimensions. Kid Buu isn't able to do that.

[@Jim-pq9pm]

In 313, Goku says "isn't his chi getting bigger?" In 314, Old Kai says "so this Boo is the most difficult one", he also says absorbing the Kais "tamed him". The fact that Fat Boo when fighting SS3 Goku is weaker is proof that absorbing the Kais made him weaker, so why when reverting to Muscle Boo did his power go up? Then when Boo charged up his death ball Goku says "we can't deflect that". Then in 320, Goku suggests having "Gohan AND Gotenks fight with them" which contradicts the idea that Kid is weaker, because if he was they would only need Gohan, and not Gotenks. There is also zero indication anywhere that Gotenks is stronger than Goku. On top of all that, we have DBZ sub and DBZK sub saying Kid is strongest, and we have Toriyama himself stating in an interview that Kid is strongest. All you have is Goku inside Boo saying he's still stronger than "us" meaning Goku and Vegeta, which could easily be interpreted as him referring to their SS2 power, still not wanting to offend Vegeta with how much more powerful he is than him.

[@francoisgarcia-vero5720]

The fact is that pro-buuhan can interpret whatever they want, but you can't interprete anything !! They are like flat-earthers, their beliefs are stronger than facts.

[@francoisgarcia-vero5720]

Ex : Gohan's ki is not enought to kill Kid Buu (Genkidama). Logic : Kid Buu > Gohan Pro-buuhan : Gohan is dumb and don't Give All his power, and this is a proof that Gohan > Kid Buu

[@Dredabeast95]

Wait there are ppl who truly think Kid Buu was the strongest Buu??? I swear I thought It was a meme 🤣🤣🤣 so I just laughed lol

[@brownstainfinger6171]

In the Original Manga, it is without question Buu (Gohan Absorbed) is the strongest. There are some arguments to go for Kid Buu against Super Buu, however most of them rely on head canon with the “exponential” nature of Genki. However there is a lot of credence to Kid Buu being the strongest in the ANIME. Goku faces Buu (Gotenks Absorbed), and afterwards proceeds to get dropped off by Buu (Gohan absorbed) along side Vegeta (ANIME ONLY). After Vegetto allows himself to be absorbed by Buu, Goku proceeds to fight “Ultimate Gohan” which was stated by Goku to have the same power and also is stated in the guides to be equal to the real Gohan. Skip ahead and Goku and the Narrator 1st hand sources state that “Kid” Buu was “The strongest Buu up to that point” numerous times. To go against Koiyamas statements (2nd hand source) he also believes that the cosmology of Dragon Ball is different than what Toriyama had intended, he has also stated that Goku was OUTERVERSAL (Yeah right.). There is more going for “Kid” Buu in the anime over all the others. In my opinion this ultimately comes down to there really is no “CANON” other than the original 42 Dragon Ball volumes. Because the two continuities are vastly different, both in statements and feats. Manga = “Buuhan”, “Buutenks”, “Super” Buu, and “Kid” Buu Anime = “Kid” Buu, “Buuhan”, “Buutenks”, and “Super” Buu

[@brownstainfinger6171]

*Koyama

[@brownstainfinger6171]

@LeeroyyyStinkennnsYeah I was insinuating he likely received Zenkais, after all he is completely healed after the defusing. Oh absolutely not, Vegetto is most definitely stronger than Goku. I don’t even know how you could argue the other way around.😂 I see and respect the arguments that go towards the other Buu’s particularly in the anime, as the manga is pretty much no debate the pecking order. The most interesting debate to me isn’t even about the main timelines though, it is definitely the Movie timeline scaling with Janemba vs Broly, or Broly vs Buu, and Gohan SSJ2 (Second Coming of Broly) vs Whichever Buu you think is the strongest. (Due to the argument of Gohan having had 7 years of training, instead of 7 years of slacking off).

[@cinemamadness6920]

Finally someone who watched the show. People always ignore these points because they're filler. Filler is canon. Filler just means it wasn't in the manga. But if it's in the anime, then it's canon to the anime, filler just means the time is being filled. So, yeah, as you said, Goku was in fact as strong as Mystic Gohan in only his SS form. Does it make sense? No, but a lot of things in DB don't make sense. Would Kid Buu being stronger than Gohan Buu make sense? No, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen. There are dozens of times power jumps in DB don't make sense. The community is trying to make sense of bad writing by saying Buuhan is the strongest because they're trying to apply logic to a poorly written show.

[@brownstainfinger6171]

@@cinemamadness6920 Exactly. From what I see a lot of people haven’t even seen the original series in Japanese. On top of that they haven’t actually watched the show in years, with them having only watched the english dub. People are on serious copium and just parrot what their favorite KZbinrs beliefs are. In the end you’re exactly right, the anime particularly with several writers is all over the place.

[@michaelsong3733]

​@LeeroyyyStinkennnsI cant belive people think that's impossible after the shit show that is Super.

[@Bbslushieee]

This has never even felt like a good discussion. Im glad you came in with facts to end this debate once and for all.

[@SirAuron777]

People will always argue about this, laughing stock media made a video about Kid buu vs gotenks and people think kid buu is stronger than gotenks, even ssj 3 gotenks, makes no sense because ssj3 Goku was on par with kid buu and ssj3 gotenks is stronger than ssj3 Goku

[@kulo4912]

@@SirAuron777how is goku on par with kid buu he lost the whole fight

[@SuperKamiGuruu]

DBZ KAI Episode 60 (158) 3min45sec mark Sub - S-so then, can you beat Boo? He has reverted to being the most dangerous and powerful Majin Boo there is." Dub- So you two are confident you can still defeat Majin Buu even though he's reverted to the most primitive, dangerous , and powerful version of himself? DBZ Kai Episode 159 (61) 3min18 Sec Mark Sub "Majin Buu...He might be a screwball, but his power, his speed, and his recuperateive ability is amazing. This Boo ain't anywhere near what he's been up to now He's out of this world strong." Dub - "This Boo...he may not be the smartest and I'm not even sure if he's sane, but his power and speed are out of this world. And he can regenerate from damage almost instantly! This is definitely his most dangerous form."

[@Jim-pq9pm]

I watched the video, I didn't see facts.

[@Firemarioflower]

@@SirAuron777 Kid Buu is stronger than SSJ Gotenks, but not by much. Kai=mikaze Ghosts would annihalate the pink wad of spit out chewing gum.

[@CoHawk73]

I doubt there are many people who think that kid buu is stronger than buhan I think the real argument is whether super buu with no absorptions is stronger than kid buu

[@theace8502]

I've actually seen, in MANY PLACES I might add, people making that argument. So doubt no more, because it's a real discussion (that yes, SHOULDN'T BE ONE).

[@kevinlee9929]

I think Kid Buu is stronger than base Super Buu

[@facundosilveira5535]

As much as I don't like it, I think even fat buu is stronger than kid buu. Majin Vegeta tried to fight fat buu when he came out of the egg, and he was effortlessly toyed around with by fat buu, no effort or struggle from the pink blob. And at the end of the saga, Vegeta fought Kid Buu to buy time for the spirit bomb. And in this instance, he actually managed to hold his own for long enough for the spirit bomb to be ready. And Kid buu doesn't play with his food, unlike Fat Buu, so we know he was going straight for the kill. And mind you, this was a Vegeta without the power boost of Babidi's evil magic, so he was actually weaker than when he fought Fat Buu, since he didn't have any time to train and he didn't get any zenkai boost from his fight with Fat Buu because he just died. So as much as I like Kid Buu, he might be the weakest Buu

[@sheeeeesh3628]

When people say Super Buu is stronger, they've always use the Super Buu who has fused with Gotenks or Gohan, which would be pretty obvious. Super Buu shouldn't be that much more powerful than the original Fat Buu, seeing as the split between Good and Evil caused most of the original Fat Buu's power to go to Evil Buu. Evil Buu is merely taking the other part of his power. Super Buu is so much more dangerous because of his personality and how evil he was compared to Fat Buu. Not to mention as Piccolo mentioned how he got the perfect body for battle. Skip forward a bit, while Buu was changing after Vegeta and Goku helped everyone out Buu's body, they actually said he was getting stronger and never mentioned his strength weakening when he became Kid Buu, except commented about his size. On Supreme Kai's planet, people misinterpret their confidence as Kid Buu being weaker. However, it wasn't just mere confidence but the resolve to settle it once in for all, one on one, the way they would've prefered anyway. Especially since Buu no longer has anyone absorbed, which was the main reason why Super Buu was such a threat. People also like to bring up Fat Buu did well against Kid Buu but Kid Buu was merely trolling and toying with Fat Buu the whole time. But of course their are the point made in this video and as well as others that argue against Kid Buu. The conflicting evidence are why this topic was a debate in the first place. I only took my time to comment because this is a topic I'm really annoyed with especially when people like to gloss over evidence from the side they're arguing against. IMO no one is really wrong because we only got Toriyama's writing to blame tbh.

[@jdrmanmusiqking]

No. Bruh how do people ignore simple stuff??? The answer is obvious.... Goku, while inside Super Buu wanted NO SMOKE with regular super Buu. But He was FULLY CONFIDENT that both Vegeta and Himself were stronger than Kid Buu. Its just that they underestimated Buu's healing hax

[@sheeeeesh3628]

@@jdrmanmusiqking You clearly either didnt read my comment, just ignored it all together or didn't understand it all all. Ignoring my points then go on to use the only point that the average person can think of based on what they read or heard from others, is just bias and shows you don't understand the ramifications of what you're arguing for. Either way, you trying to argue is also another evidence that you didn't read or ignored my comment. Good day to you sir.

[@jdrmanmusiqking]

@@sheeeeesh3628 Nothing you said matters. Its really that simple. Goku wouldnt fight regular Super Buu without fusion yet IMMEDIATELY AFTERWARDS When Kid Buu showed up Goku ran the head up fade Its really that simple. Nothing you said matters. Have a good day kid

[@sheeeeesh3628]

@@jdrmanmusiqking Nothing you say matter. Thank you for proving my point. "Kid."

[@jdrmanmusiqking]

@@sheeeeesh3628 Nothing you say *matters* Fixed that for ya mah baby 😉

[@odin1185]

If goku played catch with gohan as a kid he would have caught those earrings.

[@anthonymurchison8035]

I always assumed anyone who thinks kid buu is the strongest is just mentally unstable

[@Eric6761]

I believe that Kid Buu is stronger...when i was 10, i saw anime, saw proof and used 30% my brain to get to the result Super Buu is stronger

[@SuperKamiGuruu]

DBZ KAI Episode 60 (158) 3min45sec mark Sub - S-so then, can you beat Boo? He has reverted to being the most dangerous and powerful Majin Boo there is." Dub- So you two are confident you can still defeat Majin Buu even though he's reverted to the most primitive, dangerous , and powerful version of himself? DBZ Kai Episode 159 (61) 3min18 Sec Mark Sub "Majin Buu...He might be a screwball, but his power, his speed, and his recuperateive ability is amazing. This Boo ain't anywhere near what he's been up to now He's out of this world strong." Dub - "This Boo...he may not be the smartest and I'm not even sure if he's sane, but his power and speed are out of this world. And he can regenerate from damage almost instantly! This is definitely his most dangerous form."

[@EJINSANE]

“Kakarot…you are number one!” The end.

[@TheTupMan]

You never even mentioned what I believe to be the simplest way to refute this “argument.” The fact that Buu has the ability to absorb people in the first place should mean that he only BENEFITS from it. The ONLY time we see that being a downside is with fat Buu being weaker than the other Buus because of the Lord of Lords being absorbed. Buu was an artificial being, so why would Bibidi create an aspect of him and that not be solely a benefit?

[@Eric6761]

It's like saying Goku Super Saiyan 2 from Cell games is weaker than Namek because he never fougth

[@-toxicus-8582]

because Bibidi never created Buu´s absorbtion ability, he didnt even know Buu had it (probably); all Bibidi did was transfer malice towards Buu (who already existed since time immemorial and awakened from time to time) and took him in as his servant by controlling when he would be released from his sleep. Also, the fact that Buu´s absorbtions held him back at some point in time already destroys your point; that mechanic was already shown to be flawed so saying that it isnt because it should benefit him is just an invalid argument

[@TheTupMan]

@@Eric6761 idk what you mean by that tbh

[@Eric6761]

@@TheTupMan it's like saying that just because someone like Goku never fought "X" character it doesn't mean that character isn't stronger/weaker

[@Eric6761]

@@-toxicus-8582 no fusion besides The Grand supreme Kai held him back and that's a special event

[@mikep0914]

They insist Kid Buu is stronger because he fought evenly with Goku in SSJ3 while Gohan smashed Super Buu and Goku fans can't accept that Goku was that far below Gohan at that point in the series. It also makes sense in terms of writing that they would have Gohan die when Buu destroyed the planet because if he had been teleported to the Kai's planet it would have been a much shorter, less epic fight. It's also off brand and a change from the entire rest of the series to have the final villain of the arc actually regress in terms of raw power. That said Kid Buu was way more dangerous because he has nothing holding him back, morally. He destroyed Earth as an afterthought while Super Buu couldn't bring himself to kill Mr. Satan or the dog despite killing everyone else. He also showed he could be persuaded to do things while it's not even clear that Kid Buu could speak. Super Buu was more interested in testing himself while Kid Buu just wanted to destroy everything for fun. In my opinion, it's such a dumb hill to die on considering they brought Goku back and Gohan went back to taking a backseat to him and Vegeta.

[@-toxicus-8582]

you seem to forget Goku got stronger after Gohan reached his ultimate form. Goku got 1000 years worth of life-energy from the Elder Kai to help Gohan against Buutenks. V-Jump magazine stated in 2018 that Goku and Gohan were literally even after Goku came back to life again. Goku then proceeds to get stronger has he fights Kid Buu, given how his first FP Kamehameha only damaged Kid Buu´s lower-half despite covering his entire body, yet the last Kamehameha he fired whilst being drained destroyed Kid Buu´s entire body. We also have SEG stating Goku is the best in the universe; SEG stating Goku is the only one capable of beating Kid Buu at that time; Vegeta claiming Goku is number 1, a statement backed up by Toriyama in an interview featured in SEG Vol.2; the energy from Gohan and the others not being enough to kill Kid Buu despite FPSSJ3 Goku being able to one-shot him and finally EML stating Gohan, Gotenks and a drained SSJ3 Goku would need to team up to be able to beat Kid Buu meaning:FPSSJ3 Goku>Kid Buu>drained SSJ3 Goku>~supressed Kid Buu>Gohan the only thing we have for Gohan is a Daizenshuu 2 statement calling him the mightiest warrior (Vegetto exists, lol.) and a Saikyo Jump statement from 2022 saying Gohan surpassed his father at some point (refering to when he acheived his Ultimate Form), but him surpassing his father for a while doesnt contradict the fact that Goku surpassed him shortly afterwards Goku VS Gohan just isnt a contest, Goku wins even with just manga-related evidence

[@JC3178]

@@-toxicus-8582 do you know where I can find that EML scan about Gotenks, Gohan and Goku teaming up against Kid Buu?

[@troymindwrite7850]

Original Pure Buu is my favorite villain. His stamina is limitless, he gets stronger as he fights, his regeneration gets more ridiculous, he doesn't talk gets straight to business and he never revealed his true power so everybody thinks he can be easily defeated.

[@stevenwolfe3610]

There's another canon material that I believe states who is stronger, it's when Goku and Vegeta free all the Z warriors from Super Buu's control, Goku refused to go back outside because he knew Super Buu was still stronger...this is the same Goku that admitted he could've defeated both Fat Buu and Kid Buu if he went full power from the start.

[@SuperKamiGuruu]

DBZ KAI Episode 60 (158) 3min45sec mark Sub - S-so then, can you beat Boo? He has reverted to being the most dangerous and powerful Majin Boo there is." Dub- So you two are confident you can still defeat Majin Buu even though he's reverted to the most primitive, dangerous , and powerful version of himself? DBZ Kai Episode 159 (61) 3min18 Sec Mark Sub "Majin Buu...He might be a screwball, but his power, his speed, and his recuperateive ability is amazing. This Boo ain't anywhere near what he's been up to now He's out of this world strong." Dub - "This Boo...he may not be the smartest and I'm not even sure if he's sane, but his power and speed are out of this world. And he can regenerate from damage almost instantly! This is definitely his most dangerous form."

[@-toxicus-8582]

that is the same Goku who was reduced to the size of a flea, didnt have access to his full power and had no idea on if he would turn back to normal after getting out of Buu´s body. Super Buu explains Goku is unable to hurt his insides because of his size Vegetto is stated ti be the only character to be able to retain his power-level despite having his shape forcefully changed in Daizenshuu 7 both Daizenshuu 10 and Kai´s official website claim Goku and Vegeta had access to less than 1% of their power due to the forceful size change inside Buu´s body

[@SuperKamiGuruu]

@@-toxicus-8582 Exactly why the daizenshuu would be in everyone's faces way more.

[@-toxicus-8582]

@@SuperKamiGuruu unfortunately, viz only officially translated Daizenshuu 1, leaving all the important guides out. We´ll have to wait years until they decide to pick the rest of the thousands of important guidebooks up and start informing the fanbase without making us dig the darkest depths of the internet to know more

[@SuperKamiGuruu]

@@-toxicus-8582 That is so unfortunate, it's time to just master the damn Japanese language/writing at this point smh

[@cyberrex7071]

We honestly don’t need an explanation on which is stronger. Goku and Vegeta were completely outmatched by Super Buu after he absorbed Mystic Gohan and needed to resort to fusion. SSJ3 Goku and Kid Buu were trading blows that were about on equal to each other. Besides that, Super Buu before he absorbed anyone was toying with a SSJ Gotenks but got his ass whooped by Mystic Gohan. Fat Buu was outmatched by SSJ3 Goku, who was just buying for time because he couldn’t finish him off due to the massive energy depletion of SSJ3.

[@user-ve2wx8om6i]

I wish it was that simple but even you apply logic they still deny it 😂

[@cyberrex7071]

@@user-ve2wx8om6i You ain’t wrong😂

[@SuperKamiGuruu]

DBZ KAI Episode 60 (158) 3min45sec mark Sub - S-so then, can you beat Boo? He has reverted to being the most dangerous and powerful Majin Boo there is." Dub- So you two are confident you can still defeat Majin Buu even though he's reverted to the most primitive, dangerous , and powerful version of himself? DBZ Kai Episode 159 (61) 3min18 Sec Mark Sub "Majin Buu...He might be a screwball, but his power, his speed, and his recuperateive ability is amazing. This Boo ain't anywhere near what he's been up to now He's out of this world strong." Dub - "This Boo...he may not be the smartest and I'm not even sure if he's sane, but his power and speed are out of this world. And he can regenerate from damage almost instantly! This is definitely his most dangerous form."

[@X02Overdose]

@@SuperKamiGuruuYou don’t give up do you lol

[@TioCellEvolution786]

Goku and Vegeta were never defeated by Super Buu, they didn't even face each other.

[@eugenekrabs2403]

Trying to figure out who's the 2nd strongest character in the Buu Saga is like trying to perform open heart surgery

[@igoroliveira6725]

Vegetto>Buuhan>Buutenks>Gohan>Buucollo>Super Buu=Gotenks>Goku>Kid Buu>Fat Buu>Vegeta

[@thirdworldrenegade]

Manga - Super Buu Anime - Kid Buu Different power scaling across both mediums.

[@francoisgarcia-vero5720]

Manga : By absorbing, He Lost power because he gained heart... = Kid Buu > All. This is call "Twist ending"...

[@godzillakingofthemonsters5812]

It's gotten fucking worse if anything. Just saw a video suggesting that Kid Buu surpasses VEGITO because of assuming Goku and Vegeta got stronger (they really didn't and 3's power drain>>>>>any power boost Goku got from his 1 day of possible training, getting bonked by Super Buu or battling Kid Buu)

[@telluhwatboy]

Kid Buu and Super Buu share a dynamic with the elder and younger Toguro brothers from Yu Yu Hakusho. The former is more dangerous and difficult to fight, but the latter is far more powerful.

[@-toxicus-8582]

never has any statement calling Kid Buu the most dangerous ever not mention how he is also the strongest besides when the Elder Kai claimed he was the most difficult, yet that statement was made after Kibito Kai mentioned Kid Buu´s strength, implying both correlate in this case. Kid Buu is the most dangerous BECAUSE HE IS THE STRONGEST

[@MichaelQ-iv7pt]

@@-toxicus-8582 These guys are just annoyingly insane. Kid Buu was stronger

[@shameronstar7220]

Why is it 2023 and we’re STILL having discourse on this!?😭🤣

[@Jim-pq9pm]

This is why DBZ KAI Episode 60 (158) 3min45sec mark Sub - S-so then, can you beat Boo? He has reverted to being the most dangerous and powerful Majin Boo there is." Dub- So you two are confident you can still defeat Majin Buu even though he's reverted to the most primitive, dangerous , and powerful version of himself? DBZ Kai Episode 159 (61) 3min18 Sec Mark Sub "Majin Buu...He might be a screwball, but his power, his speed, and his recuperateive ability is amazing. This Boo ain't anywhere near what he's been up to now He's out of this world strong." Dub - "This Boo...he may not be the smartest and I'm not even sure if he's sane, but his power and speed are out of this world. And he can regenerate from damage almost instantly! This is definitely his most dangerous form."

[@shinobiwar6230]

@@Jim-pq9pm false

[@Jim-pq9pm]

@@shinobiwar6230 How is it false, they're direct quotes. It's very simple. Fat

[@ravensmansand8285]

I also love to make a point that in the anime fat buu is seriously holding his own against kid buu, when we all know he would have been annihilated by super buu, I mean super buu is fat buus power + evil buu’s power. And so if evil buu + fat buu, is weaker than someone = to fat buu, that wouldn’t make any sense

[@sheeeeesh3628]

Actually when fat buu and evil buu split, evil buu just took the majority of fat buu's original power. The reason super buu was so much more dangerous is because not only is he more evil but he got the body to properly use that power.

[@jaxsetbertoncarlism8873]

Fat buu post split has to only be a fraction of the power of fat buu pre split , almost everyone doesn't consider this. The egg hatched fat buu split, say, into a quarter of his power ssj2 Goku or Vegeta level fat buu and a 3/4th ssj3 power evil buu. They combine to form a super buu, roughly the same power as hatched buu but more evil and dangerous, genocidal but not planetary. Kid buu lost the fat buu and reverts to evil buu power, just under super Saiyan 3. But is more dangerous because he doesn't care much about challenges

[@ravensmansand8285]

@@sheeeeesh3628 so then when fat buu came out of him super buu, was he still weaker like his power was still in super buu, or was he as strong as he was at first?

[@justinarzola4584]

​@@ravensmansand8285I would say he was still weaker which makes his fight with kid Buu either more impressive or shows just how weak Kid Buu is in comparison to Super Buu.

[@R.E.factor]

By seriously holding his own you mean getting beaten to a pulp and knocked unconscious?

[@SuperKamiGuruu]

DBZ KAI Episode 60 (158) 3min45sec mark Sub - S-so then, can you beat Boo? He has reverted to being the most dangerous and powerful Majin Boo there is." Dub- So you two are confident you can still defeat Majin Buu even though he's reverted to the most primitive, dangerous , and powerful version of himself? DBZ Kai Episode 159 (61) 3min18 Sec Mark Sub "Majin Buu...He might be a screwball, but his power, his speed, and his recuperateive ability is amazing. This Boo ain't anywhere near what he's been up to now He's out of this world strong." Dub - "This Boo...he may not be the smartest and I'm not even sure if he's sane, but his power and speed are out of this world. And he can regenerate from damage almost instantly! This is definitely his most dangerous form."

[@maruf8273]

SSJ3 Goku was no match for Super Boo Gotenks absorbed but he was on par with Kid Boo. I think people confuse the fact that Kid Boo was more a savage than Super Boo with him being more powerful.

[@jasonone8726]

No, it's because in the anime, Goku said Kid Buu was stronger than the other Buu's.

[@SuperKamiGuruu]

DBZ KAI Episode 60 (158) 3min45sec mark Sub - S-so then, can you beat Boo? He has reverted to being the most dangerous and powerful Majin Boo there is." Dub- So you two are confident you can still defeat Majin Buu even though he's reverted to the most primitive, dangerous , and powerful version of himself? DBZ Kai Episode 159 (61) 3min18 Sec Mark Sub "Majin Buu...He might be a screwball, but his power, his speed, and his recuperateive ability is amazing. This Boo ain't anywhere near what he's been up to now He's out of this world strong." Dub - "This Boo...he may not be the smartest and I'm not even sure if he's sane, but his power and speed are out of this world. And he can regenerate from damage almost instantly! This is definitely his most dangerous form."

[@SuperKamiGuruu]

DBZ KAI Episode 60 (158) 3min45sec mark Sub - S-so then, can you beat Boo? He has reverted to being the most dangerous and powerful Majin Boo there is." Dub- So you two are confident you can still defeat Majin Buu even though he's reverted to the most primitive, dangerous , and powerful version of himself? DBZ Kai Episode 159 (61) 3min18 Sec Mark Sub "Majin Buu...He might be a screwball, but his power, his speed, and his recuperateive ability is amazing. This Boo ain't anywhere near what he's been up to now He's out of this world strong." Dub - "This Boo...he may not be the smartest and I'm not even sure if he's sane, but his power and speed are out of this world. And he can regenerate from damage almost instantly! This is definitely his most dangerous form."

[@raccoonstarsmember]

Thank you. The argument that kid buu is the strongest is just so dumb.

[@Xlen-omega]

Kid buu is the most dangerous. Cause he's so unpredictable. Super Buu (gohan absorbed) is the strongest.

[@TheHuskyGT]

I don't know why people even argue this. I remember when first watching DBZ back in the 90's, I never even debated the fact. It never even crossed my mind. I just remember thinking that Buu (as Kid Buu) was at its weakest (or somewhere between Fat Buu and Super Buu), but he would still be too much for Goku in SS3 and they were screwed now that Gohan wasn't there. I never thought, oh shit, this Buu must be stronger than Buutenks or Buuhan, so they are super triple screwed. It always baffled me when someone said Kid Buu was the strongest. The argument was non existent since the beginning, just by facts alone. The only way would've been if Goku somehow surpassed not only Ultimate Gohan, but Buutenks and Buuhan in his SS3 from, for no reason whatsoever. And Toriyama doesn't even know his own story. By the time he wrote the Buu arc, he was fed up with DB and doing it out of contractual obligations. And he's known for his lazy writing or forgetting his own creation. The Buu arc was all over the place, with confusing and often absurd power scaling from both heroes and villains.

[@jasonone8726]

It's debated because it was stated in the anime by Goku that Kid Buu was the strongest, but not many know that it was filler.

[@SuperKamiGuruu]

DBZ KAI Episode 60 (158) 3min45sec mark Sub - S-so then, can you beat Boo? He has reverted to being the most dangerous and powerful Majin Boo there is." Dub- So you two are confident you can still defeat Majin Buu even though he's reverted to the most primitive, dangerous , and powerful version of himself? DBZ Kai Episode 159 (61) 3min18 Sec Mark Sub "Majin Buu...He might be a screwball, but his power, his speed, and his recuperateive ability is amazing. This Boo ain't anywhere near what he's been up to now He's out of this world strong." Dub - "This Boo...he may not be the smartest and I'm not even sure if he's sane, but his power and speed are out of this world. And he can regenerate from damage almost instantly! This is definitely his most dangerous form."

[@-toxicus-8582]

thats crazy, you thought wrong when you were a kid and u still do

[@arcadius3257]

My stance on this topic has always been the same. Kid buu is stronger than the Base Super Buu and he's the most dangerous of all Buu's because he's essentially pure chaos/evil with nothing holding him back. Anyone who believes that Kid buu is more powerful then Buutenks and Buuhan however is absolutely delusional.

[@QaamansLand]

What about buuiccolo?

[@arcadius3257]

@@QaamansLand Thats actually a good question, even though I believe that Kid Buu is stronger than base Super Buu I don't think the difference is massive or anything. I think it would depend on how much power Buuiccolo is drawing from Goten and Trunks. Like if its just their base forms then Kid Buu probably still has a slight edge. If he can draw their full unfused power however then that together with Piccolo's on top of Base Super Buu should just flat out make buuiccolo stronger then Kid buu I think.

[@banjo9158]

@@arcadius3257 Well, Buuhan can use the Kamikaze Ghost attack, i'm not sure if it was thanks to Gohan power, but in case it wasn't, and it was just for the sheer fact that Goten and Trunks are there in his body, he can use that attack by being Buuiccolo. although i think Kid Buu would still be more powerful than Buuiccolo, with that technique and Piccolo's overall strategies, Buuiccolo has a good chance of winning, but it can go either way, both could win or lose depending on what would happen.

[@arcadius3257]

@@banjo9158 The power of that attack depends on the power of the user. Which is why it was a wet fart when Base Gotenks used it on Super Buu. So the point would kinda remain the same. That attack isn't going to help him all that much if he can't syphon the full power of Goten and Trunks and become stronger than Kid Buu anyway even without that technique.

[@banjo9158]

@@arcadius3257 Yeah, but that could be used as good advantage to take Kid Buu, the problem is, like you said, it depends on the power, and if Super Buu don't have that much power to use the effectivaly use the technique, than it's not gonna make much of a difference.

[@forcecalibration924]

Goku literally stated about kid buu “your twice as stronger you was before your speed and power” nobody brings up that statement

[@jasonone8726]

That was filler.

[@SuperKamiGuruu]

​@@jasonone8726DBZ KAI Episode 60 (158) 3min45sec mark Sub - S-so then, can you beat Boo? He has reverted to being the most dangerous and powerful Majin Boo there is." Dub- So you two are confident you can still defeat Majin Buu even though he's reverted to the most primitive, dangerous , and powerful version of himself? DBZ Kai Episode 159 (61) 3min18 Sec Mark Sub "Majin Buu...He might be a screwball, but his power, his speed, and his recuperateive ability is amazing. This Boo ain't anywhere near what he's been up to now He's out of this world strong." Dub - "This Boo...he may not be the smartest and I'm not even sure if he's sane, but his power and speed are out of this world. And he can regenerate from damage almost instantly! This is definitely his most dangerous form."

[@SuperKamiGuruu]

It's literally in Kai ​

[@-toxicus-8582]

thats a dub-only statement; the sub never hands out how much of a multiplier Kid Buu was

[@TioCellEvolution786]

Not just in the anime.

[@DaBossMn]

I remember stumbling into someone who hard believed fat buu was stronger than kid buu. It just reminded that I live in a world full of mostly idiots

[@link1565V2]

There's an argument that could be made that the Fat Buu prior to the split was stronger than Kid Buu. Seeing as he is Kid Buu with multiple Kais absorbed. What "weakened" him was his change of nature after absorbing the Dai Kaio. It would be similar to Gohan, who is primarily held back by his attitude, not his raw potential. Fat Buus power was decreased when he split off from Evil Buu, but it's notable that Evil Buu thought it was worth absorbing Fat Buu, rather than just killing him. The good Fat Buu that fought Kid Buu was not as powerful as the original Fat Buu pre split, but even then, the difference between Kid Buu and Fat Buu wasn't that great, as Fat Buu took at least as much abuse as Vegeta did, and Vegeta could barely move whereas Buu was still up for holding Kid Buu so Hercule has enough time to get Vegeta.

[@jmzawesomeness]

This has been one of the most annoying aspects of the fandom . They debate stuff that if you actually pay attention you would have the answer . Kid buu isn’t the strongest buu, not even close.

[@brandonmulryan1522]

Wasn't it stated somewhere that Super Buu had a higher power level than Kid Buu? I think people have the misconception that Kid Buu is stronger is specifically because he is the final form that Buu takes. Kid Buu is Buu's original form. Kid Buu is more durable due to his lack of reaction to damage he receives which is also why people may think he is stronger.

[@kulo4912]

No that was never stated

[@jasonone8726]

That was never stated. The only statement about who was stronger, was when Goku said KId Buu was stronger in the anime.

[@SuperKamiGuruu]

DBZ KAI Episode 60 (158) 3min45sec mark Sub - S-so then, can you beat Boo? He has reverted to being the most dangerous and powerful Majin Boo there is." Dub- So you two are confident you can still defeat Majin Buu even though he's reverted to the most primitive, dangerous , and powerful version of himself? DBZ Kai Episode 159 (61) 3min18 Sec Mark Sub "Majin Buu...He might be a screwball, but his power, his speed, and his recuperateive ability is amazing. This Boo ain't anywhere near what he's been up to now He's out of this world strong." Dub - "This Boo...he may not be the smartest and I'm not even sure if he's sane, but his power and speed are out of this world. And he can regenerate from damage almost instantly! This is definitely his most dangerous form."

[@Jim-pq9pm]

The opposite was stated. That's why this is an argument, despite people trying to dismiss it DBZ KAI Episode 60 (158) 3min45sec mark Sub - S-so then, can you beat Boo? He has reverted to being the most dangerous and powerful Majin Boo there is." Dub- So you two are confident you can still defeat Majin Buu even though he's reverted to the most primitive, dangerous , and powerful version of himself? DBZ Kai Episode 159 (61) 3min18 Sec Mark Sub "Majin Buu...He might be a screwball, but his power, his speed, and his recuperateive ability is amazing. This Boo ain't anywhere near what he's been up to now He's out of this world strong." Dub - "This Boo...he may not be the smartest and I'm not even sure if he's sane, but his power and speed are out of this world. And he can regenerate from damage almost instantly! This is definitely his most dangerous form."

[@joshualowe959]

2:04 Look at what Goku is saying on the left of the page: "Fusion is not how we do things. I want to fight with my own power. Besides, Buu isn't fused with anyone else either." Goku & Vegeta only use the potaras to fuse into Vegito when they are dealing with other fused foes. That is also why in Dragon Ball Super, Goku & Vegeta fused into Vegito to fight Fusion Zamasu.

[@banjo9158]

Broly: Am i a joke to you?

[@joshualowe959]

@@banjo9158 I said Goku & Vegeta fuse into VEGITO to fight other fused characters. Goku & Vegeta fused into GOGETA to fight Broly. Goku & Vegeta only fuse into Gogeta to fight singular powerful characters: Broly, Janemba & Omega Shenron

[@banjo9158]

@@joshualowe959 Why would their logic change for Gogeta? it wouldn't be the same as Vegito? it's fusion anyway.

[@joshualowe959]

@@banjo9158 they dont use Gogeta to fight other fusions

[@Shaprite]

No matter what form Buu was in, he is still quite a beast.

[@dbzlover666]

This is an older video, yet this argument is still raging on in a Facebook group I follow. Pure delusion.

[@QaamansLand]

Me or the group?

[@dbzlover666]

The group. Multiple posts about this all week.

[@oof3821]

Kid buu fans are something else, ive unironically seen a few try to argue him being stronger than janemba, the same janemba that a post buu arc goku and vegeta had to fuse against and when goku transformed shook all of universe 7

[@jasonone8726]

You can't blame fans for this. Not everyone reads the manga and it was stated in the anime that Kid Buu was the strongest.

[@SuperKamiGuruu]

DBZ KAI Episode 60 (158) 3min45sec mark Sub - S-so then, can you beat Boo? He has reverted to being the most dangerous and powerful Majin Boo there is." Dub- So you two are confident you can still defeat Majin Buu even though he's reverted to the most primitive, dangerous , and powerful version of himself? DBZ Kai Episode 159 (61) 3min18 Sec Mark Sub "Majin Buu...He might be a screwball, but his power, his speed, and his recuperateive ability is amazing. This Boo ain't anywhere near what he's been up to now He's out of this world strong." Dub - "This Boo...he may not be the smartest and I'm not even sure if he's sane, but his power and speed are out of this world. And he can regenerate from damage almost instantly! This is definitely his most dangerous form."

[@SuperKamiGuruu]

​@@jasonone8726plus manga says kid buu is the most dangerous original form

[@-toxicus-8582]

the same Janemba that lacks any relevant statements and is absolute featless; the same Janemba that cant be compared to his canon counterparts because he takes place in an entirely different timeline (check Toriyama´s statement in the Daizenshuu 6 interview); the same Janemba that is fighting a SSJ3 Goku that suffered from way less boosts than his canon counterpart...yes Janemba VS Kid Buu is actually debatable, stop acting like it isnt because Janemba created some magic jelly beans that dont correlate with power and took advantage of a chain reaction to bring some clowns back to life

[@shinobiwar6230]

@@SuperKamiGuruu false

[@AntiquaRelic]

If you're referring to Buuhan and Buutenks I totally agree but not super Buu before absorbing anyone since he was able to defeat ssj3 Goku, ssj2 Vegeta and Fat Buu and don't forget he also was able to hold off the spirit bomb

[@justsomeshinychewtlewitham6097]

0:36 This scan also says that Toriyama did say Kid Buu is the strongest character and I think that giving Toriyama more athority than Koyama is fair

[@dearzaina]

Kid Buu being strongest literally makes no sense

[@TheJaredPunch]

Kid Buu will forever be my favorite version of Buu. Stronger or weaker.

[@X02Overdose]

Weaker lol

[@banjo9158]

@@X02Overdose If he so weak, why don't you eat him?

[@SuperKamiGuruu]

DBZ KAI Episode 60 (158) 3min45sec mark Sub - S-so then, can you beat Boo? He has reverted to being the most dangerous and powerful Majin Boo there is." Dub- So you two are confident you can still defeat Majin Buu even though he's reverted to the most primitive, dangerous , and powerful version of himself? DBZ Kai Episode 159 (61) 3min18 Sec Mark Sub "Majin Buu...He might be a screwball, but his power, his speed, and his recuperateive ability is amazing. This Boo ain't anywhere near what he's been up to now He's out of this world strong." Dub - "This Boo...he may not be the smartest and I'm not even sure if he's sane, but his power and speed are out of this world. And he can regenerate from damage almost instantly! This is definitely his most dangerous form."

[@Firemarioflower]

@@banjo9158 Fat Buu nearly ate him already lol

[@davecampbellcomedy]

Kid buu in the anime is obviously stronger than any buu who came before, it is first stated that when he was transforming into kid buu his power was actually rising, not shrinking like they expected. Later in the fight against kid buu goku even states "you're twice as strong as you were before, your speed, your power..." at this point its irrefutable that Kid Buu is the strongest as we've just had it claimed right there, plus the way they demonstrate his ability to just regenerate instantly and way fastee than previous buus. The thing that throws people off is DBZ's inconsistent ways of representing power scaling when comparing characters, ussually in order to build tension or emphasise a certain character's willpower against insurmountable odds. its happened all through the series. The most glaring example i can remember is Tien's last stand against second form cell, where he is actually able to consistently keep Cell pinned down for a prolonged period of time. They way this scene is framed definitely makes it seem as though had tien come up against imperfect Cell he'd actually be able to match blows with him, but we of course know that simply isnt even close to being true due to the dialogue we are given. We have the same situation with Goku vs Kid Buu. He is completely outclassed, but he is of course the hero, and thebone who always finds a way so instead of getting oneshotted he is depicted to be barely hanging in there to serve the narrative. Ultimately to keep the viewer invested until we can reach the moment when he releases the Spirit Bomb

[@X02Overdose]

If Goku was able to beat Kid Buu and Kid Buu is the strongest then why would they need to fuse to beat Buuhan? Why would Goku need to fuse with Gohan to beat Buutenks? Why would Goku claim that he and Vegeta were no match for Super Buu when they were leaving his body? Why would Goku say that Gohan could beat Buu when the kids defused instead of trying to beat him himself? The confusion stems from the dubbing of the series where old Kai calls Kid Buu the most powerful where in the original Japanese version as well as the manga he says the most dangerous. The list goes as follows; Good Buu < Gray Buu < Fat Buu < Kid Buu < Super Buu < Buuccolo < Buff Buu < Buutenks < Buuhan Add in the heros and you get; Good Buu < Gray Buu < Fat Buu < ssj3 Goku ~ Kid Buu < ssj3 Gotenks ~ Super Buu < Buuccolo < Buff Buu < Gohan < Buutenks < Buuhan < Vegetto Buff Buu and Gohan are debatable. No real evidence is given either way.

[@davecampbellcomedy]

​@X02Overdose no. The Japanese version says that Kid Buu is on a whole different level to all other Buus who cane before. Tell me why was the combined power of Goku and Vegeta enough to beat Buuhan, yet it required the energy of everyone in the universe to beat Kid Buu, and that still almost wasn't enough

[@dancypants1023]

I say Super Buu before absorbing Gotenks and Piccolo is at the same power level as Fat Buu before the fission or split. While Kid Buu's power level should be the same as Evil Buu before he ate Fat Buu. In other words when Fat Buu split into Evil Buu and Good Buu the good buu only got a fraction of the power while Evil Buu got the Majority. It's like Evil Buu got 99% of the Power while Good Buu only got 1%.

[@QaamansLand]

What about buuiccolo?

[@dancypants1023]

@@QaamansLand Buuicolo is weaker than Buutenks and Buuhan. Buuicolo is stronger than super buu before absorbing gotenks and piccolo.

[@tarrenceprice9458]

Super Buu is more powerful than Fat Buu even before the split. Piccolo commented on how he couldn’t measure Buu’s new level of power. They mention a few different times how Super Buu has become stronger. Additionally, Gotenks was at least able to put some dents in Fat Buu, but he didn’t do a thing to Super Buu in his base form, and this is after training in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber. Hard to say about Kid Buu and Evil Buu though. We didn’t see much of Evil Buu so it’s difficult to compare him to Kid Buu.

[@KaiserMattTygore927]

Yes, and obviously so, basic logic alone tells us this, otherwise it's like saying Vegeta after his tail gets cut off and is fighting on fumes is the strongest version of Vegeta during the Saiyan Saga. The last form of an antagonist isn't always the strongest.

[@terrillwilliams1515]

Anime: Kid Buu is the strongest Manga: Super Boo(Gohan Absorbed) is the strongest

[@darryltorres7302]

All I got to say about this stale topic is that even Evil Buu might be stronger than Kid Buu. Evil Buu made Good Buu look like a complete joke while Kid Buu was getting frustrated with Good Buu. But Kid Buu is supposed to be stronger than Base Super Buu, Buuiccolo, Buutenks and freaking BUUHAN? With that performance against Good Buu? People are tripping, they will blindly belief any statement even though they make no sense. I blame the Buu sagas bad writing.

[@DeeZGrouper]

Then Explain How Kid Buu able to hold off the spirit bomb which contains Gohan's power level on it?

[@Firemarioflower]

That's not Gohan's power level. You have not even the slightest idea how a spirit bomb works, bonehead.

[@Eric6761]

Another Quick argument: If Kid Buu was stronger than Buuhan then the first move Kid Buu threw at Goku, Goku should be dead

[@Firemarioflower]

Pretty much, yes.

[@FlyinggMushroom]

The only people that don't know this are little kids. Bet you feel enlightened

[@SuperKamiGuruu]

DBZ KAI Episode 60 (158) 3min45sec mark Sub - S-so then, can you beat Boo? He has reverted to being the most dangerous and powerful Majin Boo there is." Dub- So you two are confident you can still defeat Majin Buu even though he's reverted to the most primitive, dangerous , and powerful version of himself? DBZ Kai Episode 159 (61) 3min18 Sec Mark Sub "Majin Buu...He might be a screwball, but his power, his speed, and his recuperateive ability is amazing. This Boo ain't anywhere near what he's been up to now He's out of this world strong." Dub - "This Boo...he may not be the smartest and I'm not even sure if he's sane, but his power and speed are out of this world. And he can regenerate from damage almost instantly! This is definitely his most dangerous form."

[@Scorp-kk2bb]

Buuhan > Buutenks >> Gohan > Gotenks SSJ3 >> Super Buu > Kid Buu ≥ Goku SSJ3 > Evil Buu >> Good Buu > Vegeta SSJ2 For me that's how the powers of Buu are, compared to the saiyans.

[@Firemarioflower]

SSJ2 Vegeta is stronger than Good Buu actually.

[@MrHarrisonJBig]

Well I've used a similar argument as you've used in the video but there are still those who will use the zenkai boost argument, that Goku received a zenkai boost between both fights

[@Stupaipai]

If Kid Buu is stronger than Buuhan, that would imply all absorptions make Buu weaker. (The only absorption that mde buu weaker than Fat Kai). Anyways, by this logic, Buuhan is weaker than the Fat Buu that SSJ3 Goku fought because that Buu held less absorptions than Buuhan. Does this make sense? No.

[@francoisgarcia-vero5720]

'"If Kid Buu is stronger than Buuhan, that would imply all absorptions make Buu weaker." Error 404 : Logic is false... Try again or : "If it rains, that would imply i'm wet"... Nope... Still error 405 : Logic not found... 🤣

[@Stupaipai]

@francoisgarcia-vero5720 If absorption always make weaker, then how is Buuhan stronger than Fat Buu? Think man, think.

[@francoisgarcia-vero5720]

@@Stupaipai If it Always rains, than you always wet. 🤡 Only dumb Can tell this sh!t lol "By Absorbing, he Lost pawer because he gained heart" = Kid Buu Lost power 🤡 Super Buu is weak, gained power to become Buuhan who's still weaker than Kid Buu... Easy to understand even for kids...

[@francoisgarcia-vero5720]

100 + (-50) + 10 + 10 + 10 = less than 100 lol

[@doaflip7]

Fat Buu is even technically more powerful than Kid Buu - it’s the Kai absorbed that makes him less of a threat. Kid Buu’s disregard for anything and the way he fights makes him more DANGEROUS, not stronger. He’s literally the weakest Buu, probably at the same level as Evil (gray) Buu.

[@SuperKamiGuruu]

Fat Buu technically stronger than a Kid Buu when Goku could literally destroy Fat Buu?

[@Firemarioflower]

@@SuperKamiGuruu Goku couldn't destroy him. Fat Buu actually fought Kid Buu himself and fared well to a certain degree.

[@jaxsetbertoncarlism8873]

Eh? What's the argument that you 'did not' use'? Goku says Gohan is stronger than him and Gohan fought super buu...so super is above kid? Goku was dead and barred when that decision was made, and Gohan was too dead to fight kid buu.

[@QaamansLand]

Watched the whole video?

[@jaxsetbertoncarlism8873]

Yes, agree with the premise, just confused about this argument

[@Firemarioflower]

Of course Super Buu is above Kid Buu. Duhhh

[@DemonicAkumi]

I'll always like Kid Buu out of all the other Buus, but any that think he's the strongest is kidding themselves. You merely have to go by this logically without having to go too into it... how can Kid be stronger when all of the beings that were inside Buu, fueling him, gets removed would make him stronger? A full bottle of water gets water pulled out of it is no longer full.

[@tarrenceprice9458]

😂😂😂 your last statement made me laugh but it’s true

[@josyahbryant8719]

Yes. In fact make him stronger they were actually limiting him just made him stronger disabilities but that's about it

[@josyahbryant8719]

Kid Buu can match that power on one his own

[@SuperKamiGuruu]

We're dealing with a magical fucking being here lol

[@GHGAZK]

Wrong. Super Buu turning to Kid Buu: “Vegeta, his Ki is growing.” Supreme Kai: “The Kais absorptions weakened him.” The end. You are welcome.

[@X02Overdose]

Goku and Vegeta after ripping Gotenks,Gohan,and Piccolo out while inside Buus body: Vegeta: “let’s blow ourselves out of here” Goku: “Wait! He’s still stronger than either of us! He’ll kill us if we go out like this!!” You’re welcome

[@Firemarioflower]

YOU"RE WRONG! That's not the context of it. They only saw Ki growth when he buffed up briefly. Then, it was all gone and their confidence grew.

[@Firemarioflower]

@DaThickSimmer Shin Supreme Kai said that Pui Pui was stronger than Vegeta. What's your point?

[@XwoooahX]

You left out the part where they are referring to Buff Buu Buff Buu > Kid Buu The only absorptions stated to explicitly weaken Buu was Dai Kaioshin.

[@Firemarioflower]

@DaThickSimmer IDGAF. The man is downright stupid, he forgets half of his story. Kid Buu is not the strongest. No logical reason for it.

[@markmagician2471]

My theory is Kid Buu had God Ki before that became a thing and that's why Kid Buu seems weaker and Goku and Vegeta overestimated their own strength

[@Leviathan1000]

Super buu is indeed stronger, but I notice that when kid buu against ssj3 goku, kid buu most of the time wasn't even trying, which was crezy.

[@SuperKamiGuruu]

DBZ KAI Episode 60 (158) 3min45sec mark Sub - S-so then, can you beat Boo? He has reverted to being the most dangerous and powerful Majin Boo there is." Dub- So you two are confident you can still defeat Majin Buu even though he's reverted to the most primitive, dangerous , and powerful version of himself? DBZ Kai Episode 159 (61) 3min18 Sec Mark Sub "Majin Buu...He might be a screwball, but his power, his speed, and his recuperateive ability is amazing. This Boo ain't anywhere near what he's been up to now He's out of this world strong." Dub - "This Boo...he may not be the smartest and I'm not even sure if he's sane, but his power and speed are out of this world. And he can regenerate from damage almost instantly! This is definitely his most dangerous form."

[@justinspike1669]

Ppl still argue about this. It’s like did you even consume the material you’re claiming to be a fan of wth.

[@Marcus_shawn]

Kakarot straight thought fusion when he was about to fight super Buu but didn't mind straight up fighting kid buu...that should tell you everything

[@thatfrosteylife]

Only cause Buu was fused. He was about being fair not that he could take him solo(which was proven he couldn't)

[@Marcus_shawn]

@@thatfrosteylife thanks for saying alot while saying nothing...of course him being fused played a part he had piccolo,Gotenks and Gohan apart of him of course he'd be strong

[@jasonone8726]

Goku later regretted crushing the earrings in the manga, when he was talking to Vegeta. That line was changed in the anime.

[@benjaminfirth2890]

I think it can get even more simple: An important initial premise is that Buu Saga Goku shows zero signs of getting stronger. In fact he was made weaker when resurrected, as shown in the manga. 1. Ss3 Goku is slightly stronger than Fat Buu, by his own words. 2. Gotenks in his first showing was beat up by Fat Buu 3. Good Buu + Evil Buu = Super Buu 4. Super Buu is stated to be stronger than Fat Buu by Piccolo by an unknown amount 5. After training in the Room of Spirit and Time, Ss3 Gotenks is equal to or slightly stronger than Super Buu 6. Ultimate Gohan is considerably stronger than Super Buu 7. Super Buu, who is stronger than Fat Buu, who was slightly weaker than Ss3 Goku, + Ss3 Gotenks who is equal to Super Buu + Piccolo (unknown strength) + Ultimate Gohan who obliterates Super Buu = Buuhan 8. Remove Ss3 Gotenks, remove Ultimate Gohan, remove Piccolo, remove Good Buu = Kid Buu 9. Kid Buu is shown to be roughly equal to living Ss3 Goku, who is stated to be weaker than before Kid Buu was possibly the most dangerous of the Buus due to his unpredictability and extreme violence. But there is no way in the world he is stronger than Buuhan. Regarding filler, frankly, we have no canon way of identifying the power of the clone beings fought inside Super Buu. It's completely absent from the manga, and even if it were, Super Buu was toying with them. It's simply not to be used as a measuring stick compared to cold hard facts from the source material.

[@tarrenceprice9458]

Nicely put! I agree! And as far as the clones, I don’t believe they’re as strong as their real selves. There’s no way Goku is fighting off the real Ultimate Gohan, especially if he’s not even a SSJ3. Even before training with Elder Kai, Gohan was not many times weaker than Goku and Vegeta, so Goku beating Gohan at his most powerful doesn’t make much sense. And Vegeta has no chance of beating SSJ3 Gotenks and Piccolo together at this current time.

[@SuperKamiGuruu]

DBZ KAI Episode 60 (158) 3min45sec mark Sub - S-so then, can you beat Boo? He has reverted to being the most dangerous and powerful Majin Boo there is." Dub- So you two are confident you can still defeat Majin Buu even though he's reverted to the most primitive, dangerous , and powerful version of himself? DBZ Kai Episode 159 (61) 3min18 Sec Mark Sub "Majin Buu...He might be a screwball, but his power, his speed, and his recuperateive ability is amazing. This Boo ain't anywhere near what he's been up to now He's out of this world strong." Dub - "This Boo...he may not be the smartest and I'm not even sure if he's sane, but his power and speed are out of this world. And he can regenerate from damage almost instantly! This is definitely his most dangerous form."

[@alexstone54]

So you’re pretty much ignoring the fact they stated Kid Buu was the strongest in both the anime and worded differently in the manga?

[@SuperKamiGuruu]

Yep

[@jasonone8726]

Filler. That whole SSJ2 fight wasn't in the manga, Goku skipped right to SSJ3. That line about Kid Buu being the strongest wasn't said.

[@SuperKamiGuruu]

​@@jasonone8726Cope DBZ KAI Episode 60 (158) 3min45sec mark Sub - S-so then, can you beat Boo? He has reverted to being the most dangerous and powerful Majin Boo there is." Dub- So you two are confident you can still defeat Majin Buu even though he's reverted to the most primitive, dangerous , and powerful version of himself? DBZ Kai Episode 159 (61) 3min18 Sec Mark Sub "Majin Buu...He might be a screwball, but his power, his speed, and his recuperateive ability is amazing. This Boo ain't anywhere near what he's been up to now He's out of this world strong." Dub - "This Boo...he may not be the smartest and I'm not even sure if he's sane, but his power and speed are out of this world. And he can regenerate from damage almost instantly! This is definitely his most dangerous form."

[@kunknown2340]

Didnt goku say something along the lines of kid buu being twice as strong as before.. and i remember old kai also saying that fusion might work against kid buu, not a full guarantee on his end

[@davecampbellcomedy]

You are correct

[@leetfukk]

I didn't realize anyone thought that Kid Buu was stronger than Buuhan, I thought the argument was about base Super Buu vs Kid Buu

[@ElKabong3345]

Usually people that make a fight about this are people that made a chart with power levels Then they're trying to save face about their power levels being right. It's the reason why a lot of people defend the movie "Wrath of the Dragon" Because in it, they use it as an excuse of "See, told you Super Saiyan 3 Goku was strongestest of EVERYONE!"

[@ahhyeah16]

Qaaman Here Today with ANOTHER controversial topic, "Who's got more Dawg in them"?

[@FolkBoyify]

Kid Buu is the original form of Buu without the Kai’s influence

[@DetroitsReaper]

Problem is the sceeen writers basically renig on that statement and said he was talking out of the absorbed forms so that doesnt help anyone

[@purrito3822]

“Look at him!! He’s a midget!!” That’s one to come from Vegeta, that’s for sure.

[@SleepingTroubles]

It's like the tournament of power where the actual final fight is with everyone being much weaker instead of at their top, but then when it's just the villain but he has a trump card (unhinged chaotic mind in this case) it's different and unique. Like in Freeza's battle at the end when he became weaker but then used what he had to destroy the planet to pressure Goku even though he became weaker itself at the very end, he raised the challenge again for Goku. So this is odd but does happen in different ways, Goku was at his best when the planet was ending, Freeza not, so this final fight with a weaker Buu is not that illogical as one might think. The writers though could definitely make this more clear on why kid buu was such a challenge still anyway, a little dialogue exposition from a side character could have helped because at some points in the fight Kid Buu seemed to rely more on regeneration then chaos, so maybe that was the whole thing, that even a weaker powered buu could still regenerate, but then it would conflict on the previous fight where Buu was actually losing body parts

[@jeskerjames3260]

I'mma throw a wrench in the whole debate...Buff Buu is the strongest Buu. Lol Goku and Vegeta are lucky that form didn't stay around to fight because the whole universe would have been f@cked, including Beerus and Whis.

[@Firemarioflower]

No. It's not at the level of Buucollo even.

[@anyetsi8817]

So long as this argument exists means super buu fans have just refused to accept the truth 😂

[@falx94]

Goku absolutely shit himself at the thought of fighting base Super Buu even with Vegeta there. Against Kid Buu he was confident he could kill him with full power SS3, and even tired and not used to the form in a living body he was able to hold his own. If we're going by anime canon, even in SS2 he did pretty well. There's just no comparison. Kid Buu is a maniac and has absolutely no regard for any sort of life (including his own) which makes him more dangerous, but Super Buu is significantly stronger.

[@SuperKamiGuruu]

Ignoring context, and shitting themselves or not, both Goku and Vegeta literally still fought Super Buu Gohan Absorbed as SSJ2s

[@falx94]

@@SuperKamiGuruu Anime only filler.

[@Firemarioflower]

@@SuperKamiGuruu Yes they did. They stood no chance. Buuhan wasn't even trying and laughing. He called them 'boring' and was happy that they fused until Vegito started trolling him as he was too strong. Kid Buu however was enjoying the fight as SSJ3 Goku was massive challenge for him. He didn't like it when Fat Buu started landing blows on him though. Kid Buu is weak. Deal with it.

[@Firemarioflower]

@@falx94 Anime has its own canon, stop the cap.

[@PopeDuwang]

Stronger then Kid Buu? Yes. More restrained then Kid Buu? Also Yes. I think that Kid Buu is seen as More Powerful due to the fact that he has 0 Restraints while Buuhan was stronger but was more restrained and a little bit more Arrogant which left in some weakness.

[@SuperKamiGuruu]

DBZ KAI Episode 60 (158) 3min45sec mark Sub - S-so then, can you beat Boo? He has reverted to being the most dangerous and powerful Majin Boo there is." Dub- So you two are confident you can still defeat Majin Buu even though he's reverted to the most primitive, dangerous , and powerful version of himself? DBZ Kai Episode 159 (61) 3min18 Sec Mark Sub "Majin Buu...He might be a screwball, but his power, his speed, and his recuperateive ability is amazing. This Boo ain't anywhere near what he's been up to now He's out of this world strong." Dub - "This Boo...he may not be the smartest and I'm not even sure if he's sane, but his power and speed are out of this world. And he can regenerate from damage almost instantly! This is definitely his most dangerous form."

[@matteocasati7244]

The simple answer is: Buu-han is stronger, but kid buu is more dangerous, because he's pure madness

[@Hyperslayer_X]

BuT tHE aNimE Said KiD BuU iZ dA sTRonkEsT

[@SuperKamiGuruu]

Cope DBZ KAI Episode 60 (158) 3min45sec mark Sub - S-so then, can you beat Boo? He has reverted to being the most dangerous and powerful Majin Boo there is." Dub- So you two are confident you can still defeat Majin Buu even though he's reverted to the most primitive, dangerous , and powerful version of himself? DBZ Kai Episode 159 (61) 3min18 Sec Mark Sub "Majin Buu...He might be a screwball, but his power, his speed, and his recuperateive ability is amazing. This Boo ain't anywhere near what he's been up to now He's out of this world strong." Dub - "This Boo...he may not be the smartest and I'm not even sure if he's sane, but his power and speed are out of this world. And he can regenerate from damage almost instantly! This is definitely his most dangerous form."

[@Hyperslayer_X]

@@SuperKamiGuruu Wasn’t in the manga. The only one coping here…is you 😂 🫵🏾

[@ViewerOnline101]

Buuhan and Buutenks are stronger than Kid Buu, but Kid Buu is stronger than regular Super Buu. Goku said he could have defeated Kid Buu had he gone all out from the beginning, but knew he couldn't defeat Buutenks (and by extension Buuhan). But when Super Buu was turning into Kid Buu, Goku clearly said that his power was increasing, they just underestimated him when he finished his transformation because he looked "puny", as Goku put it. So its Buuhan > Buutenks > Kid Buu > Super Buu. Buuiccolo is up for debate.

[@Saiyan_Ryu]

The statement of his Ki increasing was made when the transitioned from Super Buu to Buff Buu...

[@banjo9158]

@@Saiyan_Ryu It was in the process of turning into Kid Buu, and they never said his Ki start decreasing even when he turned into Kid Buu.

[@Saiyan_Ryu]

@@banjo9158 Read again and you'll notice that they started to get confident that they can take him on, after he reverted back to Kid Buu.

[@banjo9158]

@@Saiyan_Ryu That is another thing, they didn't said his Ki started decreasing, they just felt confident on taking him down, mostly because of how he looked.

[@SuperKamiGuruu]

DBZ KAI Episode 60 (158) 3min45sec mark Sub - S-so then, can you beat Boo? He has reverted to being the most dangerous and powerful Majin Boo there is." Dub- So you two are confident you can still defeat Majin Buu even though he's reverted to the most primitive, dangerous , and powerful version of himself? DBZ Kai Episode 159 (61) 3min18 Sec Mark Sub "Majin Buu...He might be a screwball, but his power, his speed, and his recuperateive ability is amazing. This Boo ain't anywhere near what he's been up to now He's out of this world strong." Dub - "This Boo...he may not be the smartest and I'm not even sure if he's sane, but his power and speed are out of this world. And he can regenerate from damage almost instantly! This is definitely his most dangerous form."

[@gangstagummybear3432]

I can destroy the spirit bomb argument with this, if the spirit bomb used people's actual powerlevel to boost its power, why didnt Goten and Trunks fuse then go SSJ3 to donate their energy to the spirit bomb, but instead decided to just stay in base and as individuals?

[@SuperKamiGuruu]

Genki is different from Ki

[@johnss9114]

Imperfect cell > semi perfect cell > perfect cell. Kid buu stans logic.

[@Firemarioflower]

LOL yep. They probably will argue : Semi Perfect Cell KILLED Goku, so therefore he's more powerful than Perfect Cell.

[@TioCellEvolution786]

False equivalence.

[@johnss9114]

@@TioCellEvolution786 how?

[@MajinErick]

To add....Super Buu also has the fat Majin Buu, who was the Grand Supreme Kai and he has the Supreme Kai of the South.

[@Weesee_I]

Another easy argument is the fact that SSJ Gotenks was comparable in strength to SSJ3 Goku, but SSJ3 Gotenks was fighting roughly evenly with Super Buu.

[@cuckertarlson3037]

Non kayfabe answer is that kid buu had to become weaker simply because toriyama originally intended for gohan to be the hero so he buffed up buu to be a challenge to him. Eventually he realized that gohan wasnt going to cut it as the main character and decided to bring Goku back. Only problem is that buu is now way to powerful ( since he had to challenge ultimate gohan ) so he had to give buu a debuff so he could be on gokus level again and goku could return as the main hero.

[@anderswallin3883]

One thing that people also seems to forget is that fusion or absorbtion makes you stronger. You take the others power and stack it on top of your own power. But the multiplier of the different methods are not very clear and are inconsistent. I heard that Vegito had to go super saiyan in the manga in order to fight Super Buu, but in the anime he was beating Buu in his base form. So why would Buu get stronger when he had all of the people removed from his body? I say that Kid Buu is not the strongest Buu in terms of pure power. But the influence of the Kai's made him less evil and less "pure" and it might have nerfed him in some ways, at least when it comes to his regeneration and stamina. So the more beings he absorbed, the weaker his regeneration and stamina became, but his raw power increased for every being he absorbed. When people argue for Kid Buu being the strongest, they always bring up statements from the anime. But what they fail to understand is that there are translation issues and the anime is inconsistent. And there are fights happening in the anime that never happened in the manga. They also bring up the fact that Kid Buu pushed back the spirit bomb, but that only happened because Goku was too weak to hold it and push it against Buu. Once he got his energy restored, he got strong enough to push the spirit bomb back at Buu and the spirit bomb was strong enough to destroy Buu. So what i take from all of the information out there is that Buuhan is the strongest Buu in terms of raw power and that Kid Buu is the weakest in terms of raw power. But Kid Buu's regeneration is stronger and his stamina is limitless. So if you fail to destroy him early on in the fight he will gradually wear you out and kill you. So i place him in the middle since his regeneration and stamina is pure hax.