Magni and Modi - A Deconstruction of Villainy

[@alicenolfi2095]

I read a fan theory that Thor was especially hard on Modi because he looked more like him than Magni did - and Thor hated himself. It could be right, it could be wrong; either way, it's food for thought!

[@DerIrre1]

...honestly, that makes *far too much sense* ...

[@adrianbulose7921]

That sounds plausible actually

[@Birthnote]

I believe it

[@inthecutagain]

Damn, a legitimate reflection of himself 🥶

[@sobek497]

That would be what the designers/writers were going for when they did modis character design.

[@Joesmho23]

It makes sense Atreus’ weapon is a bow. It’s a weapon that takes thought, stillness, and composure. When he throws it to the side and goes to stab someone out of rage he’s throwing those things and becomes a vicious little animal. I thank the ninja turtles for reminding me to ask what someone’s weapon means

[@bojohorseboi6507]

That's a very interesting perspective and it brings great context to kratos choosing to use an axe and shield, standing his ground valiantly and being patient with his strength, instead of the blades of chaos which are used to destroy everything around him with unrelenting haste and ferocity and later on using a spear which, despite being a weapon of war, is still a precise and less destructive weapon but still allows for aggression and speed

[@lucky4d725]

​@@bojohorseboi6507i wonder what role the spear would play in that dynamic.

[@Joesmho23]

@@lucky4d725 I think his spear represents his discipline, strategy, and really just where he came from as a spartan. He’s very strategic and familiar with war itself. In a way I think it’s like his actual godly weapon since it’s his blood and upbringing as a warrior. Not very emotional compared to the other two. He’s so familiar with the spear because of his background that he doesn’t even need to think about it while fighting. It’s not a weapon anyone could’ve used to fight heimdall it’s just the perfect weapon for Kratos. With kratos his weapons feel more representative of parts of himself

[@ysgramornorris2452]

It reminds me of Warhammer 40k of all things. In the Horus Heresy novel series, Warmaster Horus' favorite tactic is called "the Spearhead": overwhelming force sent straight at the enemy's command structure. Cut the head off and let the body die. Might be the same thing with Kratos' spear, a symbol of him focusing his strength on the one true enemy: Odin. Because a spear is a weapon that can strike precisely, between an enemy's protections.

[@Shythalia]

It's, um, "vicious". 😅 "Viscous" means thick & sticky like slime or syrup.

[@pjlusk7774]

It's really fascinating that the writers of the first game don't call attention to the *one* thing people know about mythological Magni and Modi: that they're fated to be among the handful of folks who survive Ragnarok. Instead, they leave it as unstated dramatic irony. It lets the clued-in parts of the audience know just how far off the rails that Kratos' mere presence in the Norse myth cycle has taken us.

[@pjlusk7774]

If you don't know what's going on, it looks like Kratos and Atreus killing these jokers is no big deal. They're little more than another midgame boss to feed into the human-shaped woodchipper that is Kratos. If you *do* know what their deal is, it's a huge OH SHIT moment.

[@WolfBoy-om6dw]

The prophecy of Ragnarok is why I thought Modi was freaking out, because he thought they were immortal until Ragnarok.

[@vizzzyy190]

​@@WolfBoy-om6dwsame here!! a mix between their own strength and "immortality" probably made death the furthest thing from their minds

[@kwamekuma360]

In one of the Giants murals you can actually see Magni and Modi surviving Ragnarok. But Kratos said fuck that 😂😂

[@pjlusk7774]

@@WolfBoy-om6dw it’s very much that! It’s also “oh fuck, papa’s golden boy just got murked and I’m the one who has to tell him.”

[@cb-9938]

Modi is really just a sad character. He is very unlikable. But after Ragnarok. If you had Heimdall Bullying you since birth, you'd end up angry and insecure too

[@hazamahasashi6100]

Not only Heimdall, but Odin also called him useless, Thor prefer Magni over Modi is also contributed to Modi insecure as well

[@sebaredghost9068]

Yeah plus in the story mimir telled about the stone giant, that it took both Magni & Modi to flip the corpse off Thor and Magni was given all the credit leaving Modi completely out of it. Modi could be conceited an sympathetic character, he grown up as the unfortunate middle-child in his familiy, less valued & important then his older brother, less loved & cared for then his little sister. It’s no wonder he turned out the way he did.

[@Bigtwinkissac209]

Heimdall himself is broken can’t really call him a bully since Odin wasn’t the Father he Needed

[@ShaunForbes-my7vh]

@@Bigtwinkissac209I forget sometimes in the game Odin is heimdall’s father and Thor is technically like his half older brother

[@TheSSBBfan666]

@@ShaunForbes-my7vh Tyr is part of the family too, but given how the rest of the Aesir think he's a traitor to their group, its clear he's been disowned.

[@PaddyRoon7]

Magni represents the best qualities of Thor, and how he'd like to appear. Strong, boastful, intimidating, bloodthirsty. He even looks like the fake statue of Thor after a more accurate statue was rejected by him. Modi is how Thor really feels deep down, and who he's scared of becoming. Weak, cowardly, spiteful, pathetic. He also looks way more like the real Thor.

[@pancakes8670]

There's a popular theory that Thor hated Modi the most because Modi looked more like him.

[@PaddyRoon7]

@@pancakes8670 I believe I just explained that theory 😂

[@tylerchapin2207]

12:10 its also possible that Magni and Modi believed that they were prophesied to survive Ragnarok and inherit Mjolnir, so Magni’s death could’ve been a “this wasn’t supposed to happen” moment

[@MkFan18]

21:32 This makes Thor's death so much more tragic. He takes Kratos's offer to live and be better but is ultimately killed by Odin anyway

[@pancakes8670]

Exactly. He was the only Aesir smart enough to see the wisdom in Kratos' mercy, and he didn't get to live long to take advantage of it... Odin really does suck

[@clark_crimsontf2481]

Not really cus as kratos pointed out inthe start of the game "even in death you put him (modi) last" which is ironic as modi is the most thorlike character interms of all the negative threats and instead of being supportive and trying to teach modi to be better he (thor) makes them worst by shaming and belittling him.

[@AmbizarYT]

"For the sake of our children, we must be better" Gets me every time, man. Thor, the poster child of bloodlust and murder, who's done unspeakable atrocities at the behest of his father, finally stands up to him and decides to change. Not for himself, but for his family, and he's immediately killed for it.

[@amharbinger]

I liked that in Valhalla, Kratos empathized with Magni and Modi, highlighting how their upbringing made them who they were and how Atreus could've become them if Kratos had raised them as he was. Even Sif misses them showing despite their actions people did care for them, perhaps if they showed it when they were alive it would've meant something to them. Maybe overreaching but having Calliope was probably the best thing for Kratos, having a boy during the Greece adventures would've likely ended up him killing him or vice versa considering the cycle of God of War.

[@jeremyallen5974]

Sif and her dickhead husband were the ones who made Magdi and Modi into the feral animals that Kratos and Atreus had to put down

[@Karhall]

Yeah, I can see Ares having Kratos killing his wife but leaving Atreus alive so he can raise him to be a weapon to eventually kill Kratos. Kinda like what the Emperor tried to do with Vader and Luke.

[@ysgramornorris2452]

That line in Valhalla also demonstrates some growth on Kratos' part. Because if you recall, in 2018 his opinion of them was the exact opposite. Atreus says something to the effect of "It's no wonder they turned out the way they did, having Thor as a father", and Kratos immediately replies "They are no longer children. They have no excuse." We can already see that in the first fight against Thor, when Kratos demonstrates a more sympathetic view of Modi by stating "You put him last, even in death."

[@norddorian5791]

Damn something to like in that travesty?

[@zillafire101]

@@ysgramornorris2452 I have a feeling Odin's statement of "They were kinda useless" also hit hard. As someone who was used by his half-brother and father, and various other gods, Kratos was probably coming to the conclusion they were failed and dark reflections of a younger him, and seeing Odin act like that just sealed the deal.

[@antrim5]

My interpretation of Modi’s death was that he wanted Atreus to kill him and said the words he knew would get Atreus to do so. Having lost his honour and the respect of his father, dying to an enemies blade is preferable to living in shame.

[@EdwardNavu]

I tend to think Modi ain't thinking straight at this point, and the fact that he lost everything didn't help either. But then, our points don't quite contradict, so yeah

[@efeomorede2726]

To be honest I like magni more than modi because unlike modi magni wasn’t making fun of Atreus mother and he actually respected Kratos as an opponent when he wanted to fight him

[@SympatheticStrawmanVA]

Yeah, I like Magni better too. His design is cooler and he seems a lot more cool-headed than Modi

[@obolstudios5154]

@@SympatheticStrawmanVAplus that sword thunder axe is fucking cool.

[@PaddyRoon7]

Magni represents the best qualities of Thor, and how he'd like to appear. Strong, boastful, intimidating, bloodthirsty. He even looks like the fake statue of Thor after a more accurate statue was rejected by him. Modi is how Thor really feels deep down, and who he's scared of becoming. Weak, cowardly, spiteful, pathetic. He also looks way more like the real Thor.

[@warpstarrogue3554]

I guess that's the entire point, Magni was *supposed* to be the more likeable twin compared to the cowardly and "pathetic" Modi. Heck the middle son isn't liked by anyone in their family.

[@watching7721]

I think it makes Modi's character more interesting how crass he feels the need to be in order to feel like a good opponent

[@thewanderyngronyn5845]

What's ironic about Modi being a coward is that, if I remember correctly, his name literally means courage/bravery.

[@netherlordgaming995]

Ha

[@vigge111111]

The word in question would be “mod” as that’s bravery in Swedish

[@manofhealing]

Almost all of the Norse gods have character traits that are ironic with their real myth counterparts. Amongst all of the different domains they hold: Baldur is the god of forgiveness and can't forgive his mother Freya is the goddess of war but is cursed and unable to fight Frigg (in this game the same as Freya) is the goddess of marriage and motherhood, the 2 biggest sources of her pain and suffering Thor is the god of protection and he drinks because he can't protect his family from Odin Odin is the god of wisdom but in his obsessive search for knowledge, mistaking it for wisdom, he becomes unwise and this leads to everyone rebelling against him Tyr is the god of war but seeks only peace Sif is the goddess of family and has a broken one herself

[@porungadaddy9053]

You tha real MVP ​@@manofhealing !!!

[@zillafire101]

@@manofhealing Heimdall is the Protector of Asgard and guardian, and yet was fought far from home and his actions did more damage to the All-Father and those he wanted to protect.

[@Xehanort10]

18:04 I think Thor thought Modi left Magni to die. And in Ragnarok Thor and Sif realised that how Magni and Modi turned out was their fault for being abusive alcoholics and that their deaths were on Odin for sending them after Kratos and Atreus since Kratos only killed Magni in self defence and Thor knew that him drunkenly beating up Modi was as responsible for his death as Atreus stabbing him.

[@CommentaryCommenter]

Two FatBrett God of War analysis videos in less than a week? This really is the “most wonderful time of the year.”

[@LastGoatKnight]

Be careful, LeBron might break into your house to give you Sprite Cranberry so you have to fend him off with Fanta😂

[@weebhunter9305]

Must be Christmas already.

[@NoCluYT]

That Atreus one is 30 mins. I'm saving that

[@magical_pixie_horse7346]

Thrud's response to Atreus living in Modi's, her brother, room is pretty telling of how monstrous he was. She was glad he's dead, even saying that they're better off without him. Who knows what else he's done to her and what he would've done to Atreus if he succeeded in killing Kratos!

[@nevadaaguilar2062]

Considering the way she rested her hand on Modi’s shield and her somber expression, I figured she didn’t really mean it. The guy was her big brother after all. She’d known him her whole life. I thought she was trying to convince herself of what everyone else had been telling her since his death. That they were better off without Modi because he was stupid and weak, that he was a pathetic failure who deserved his fate. Truth of that aside, I figured that scene was just meant to show Thrud’s kind heart and love for her family (no matter how awful they were), as well as an be an indication of what a toxic influence Odin, Heimdall, and her parents (when they were still drinking) were. If she hadn’t met Atreus, and if Ragnarok hadn’t happened, Thrud likely would’ve become just like Magni and Modi. Beaten down emotionally (and possibly physically) to the point where she became a sadistic/amoral bully.

[@clark_crimsontf2481]

​@@nevadaaguilar2062plus i feel like magni was the worst threats of what thor wanted to be very egotistical and self-centered due to his strength we just dont get much time with him.

[@nomado.3855]

"Failed by their father, Sent to die by their uncle and belittled in death by their grandfather, What chance did they ever had?" - Kratos, This line represents the tragic turn of their lives and how they paid the consequences for how they're raised by Thor and Sif. Odin no carin' for them furthers this idea. The Aesir we're a bunch of barbaric assholes.

[@SmallOneEyedKing]

19:52 Odin, Heimdall, Baldur, and Modi's death all share the similar theme of refusing to change. That instead of choosing to live and let it go, they stubbornly sealed there deaths in ways they didn't imagine or assumed.

[@clark_crimsontf2481]

True but it also shows how the main group couldnt let go and be above their little taunts

[@kwamekuma360]

When Kratos fights Magni and Modi separately in Valhalla he grew sympathetic of them, as like Atreus, they were sons of a destroyer, except Thor didn’t change and raised them like Odin raised him. Kratos also feels pity for them as they were essentially sent to die by their father, Thor and Odin (their grandfather) showed no regard to their lives after their death. Kratos believes he fights them separately so as to give them a fair fight and chance which they weren’t granted in life.

[@TheSSBBfan666]

Odin's their grandfather, Baldur's their uncle, which funny enough they are older than him as in this setting, they were in the Aesir-Vanir war that ended with Freya and Odin marrying to create Baldur. They also happened to be the ones who took out Nerthus, Freya and Freyr's mother as Skadi is more the stepmom.

[@kwamekuma360]

@ Oh right, thanks for clearing that up. 🙏🏿

[@ahmedbaloch5707]

I think it says a lot about Modi that Sindri said "I'd rather lick a rat than shake that dung heap's hand" or something like that.

[@kainingyao7873]

Modi: *flees from Kratos and his son after getting ovepowered* This enraged his father, who punished him severely.

[@nekoboy56]

I gotta animate this now. Thank you.

[@fredfry5100]

That, little brother, is what we call, an understatement. Mimir, the smartest man alive. ( Does he still qualify as alive 🤔)

[@jairizard]

The PTSD-induced rage I feel at the sight of Theseus... Titan Mode. One-hit kills. 250 deaths. Slamming his head in the door when I finally beat him was damn near orgasmic.

[@noamias4897]

bro was kratos

[@oklik6864]

Or Perseus when you give him a "try not to drown challenge" !

[@ysgramornorris2452]

19:42 I love this line "This is a much better knife than Mother's." The knives (Faye's and Kratos') represent Atreus' parents' legacies. First Atreus inherits Faye's knife. And what does he use it for? To mercy-kill an animal, in a way that's respectful of nature. And to save his fater from certain death in Tyr's temple, which destroys the knife, symbolizing the fact that Atreus can no longer rely on his mother's legacy alone. Immediately after, Atreus inherits another knife from Kratos. And what does he use it for? To kill Modi as an indulgence, and to stupidly stab Baldur (I mean, come on, kid, what part of "Baldur is blessed with invulnerability to all threats, physical or magical" didn't you understand?). Atreus uses his mother's legacy for good, and his father's legacy for evil, basically. And right after using Kratos' legacy to kill a man in cold blood, he comments that "this is a better [legacy] than Mother's". This is Kratos' worst fear coming true: his son being corrupted by his violent past and rejecting his mother's positive influence.

[@aidenpommee766]

Damn I never saw it that way and I played both games lots

[@lucavenn]

Pushing out these insanely well done videos consistently like this is crazy. You’re the goat.

[@nightlasher]

I think there were somethings you could’ve talked about Magni and Modi that were said in GOWR 1 Atreus asks Mimir why Magni and Modi were the way they are and Mimir talks about how Sif and Thor beat them and he was talking about why Thor did it because Odin did it to Thor when he was younger 2 when Atreus meets Thurd for the first time one of the she says about Modi which was “we are better off without him” suggesting she has a bad relationship with him 3 when Sif comes to Niflheim and talks to Thor about Odin she says how her and Thor had some good times with Magni and Modi when they were kids like making wooden toys for them and playing with them

[@zillafire101]

The last part is especially note worthy, because one or both of the brothers came from a previous marriage, so the fact she felt so close to them inspite of the drunken abuse says a lot about her.

[@nightlasher]

@ I tend to forget that Magni is Sif’s step son also I wished someone in the game would talk about Ullr who is Sif’s first son and Thor’s step son because it would be interesting what Ullr’s relationship like with his step dad, his mum, his step brother, his half brother and his half sister

[@zillafire101]

@@nightlasher Yeah, I was thinking the same. Especially since Ullr was stated to be friends with Tyr and go on adventures, and was looked upon fondly by Faye, in spite of being Aesir. So much potential there for how he could've come out of lockstep with his Stepfather and brothers, or remained close in spite of his friendship with Tyr to Sif and Thrud.

[@einkar4219]

I also want to point out Magni and Modi were prophesied to survive ragnarok, if this prophecy exit in GoW then Modi shock could also be attributed to Kratos just breaking prophecy key to thier life

[@frankwest5388]

Kratos be brining the Greek irony of destiny to the Norse. Someone believing they are immortal, because a prophecy says they aren’t meant to die until something happens would be exactly the kind of person who learns that the prophecy they have been told was faulty and have their lives ruined.

[@bielito23]

i have 2 headcanons one is that one of the reasons thor went back to drinking at ragnarok was guilt because of what kratos said to him that modi died of the wounds he gave him the other is that odin despises thor so much because he killed his mother fjorgyn in childbirth, there is a entrance in the codex that says something like "she gave the gift of life and by her own gift, her life was taken" and odin blames thor for killing her kind of a tyrion and tywin situation

[@Flaremc26]

I'd say the former as I can't see this version of Odin caring about fjorgyn

[@Bigtwinkissac209]

⁠@@Flaremc26he did if i remember Mimi boat tales About Odin feeling lonely after her death

[@bielito23]

@Flaremc26 mimir did say that odin was never the same after her death gow 2018: "once fjorgyn was gone, lonely ages passed for odin" gow ragnarok: "i don't blame him on that one, he was never the same after that"

[@TheSSBBfan666]

really makes a lot of sense why he's so sour on Thor if Thor accidentally killed Fyorgin during birth. Blaming your son for nothing he had control of.

[@zillafire101]

I always felt it was multiple factors with Thor. Kratos pointing out his terrible work as a father, Odin constantly brow-beating him (I liked you better as a drunk) and putting Atreus above him, Sif begging him to stand up to Odin and do better with protecting the family that he has left. With that much stress, I assumed he slipped back into the bottle to relieve some of it.

[@IanZone456]

Modi is just the king of your mom jokes, and Atreus is the king of that friend who gets super defensive and feels attacked when you make any kind of negative joke.

[@Hanshin43]

The God of Your Mom Jokes if you would.

[@timebomb4562]

@@Hanshin43 king is a bit of a stretch the spy he has grounds for it dude even brought proof

[@IanZone456]

@@timebomb4562 wat?

[@zolden37]

OH I'm been waiting for this these characters are so oddly interesting to me but so simple at the same time! They have such little time but somehow so important to the narative because they die

[@Zman.gamer.6989]

Idk why, but if I'm being honest, I like Heimdall. I didn't exactly like Magni and Modi. I just felt bad for them. Had they been raised better than they wouldn't have been pompous/arrogant a**holes. Thor should've treated them better, and he should've been more present in their upbringing. It's a miracle that Thrud turned out the way she did. Because she was raised alongside Magni and Modi You would think she would be exactly like her brothers. My theory is that Thrud was raised mostly by Sif, who tried her best to protect her from her father's drunken outbursts. But she couldn't really protect her from her brothers, which explains why Thrud is so competitive and why she wants to be a Valkyrie. Because she wants to feel powerful, and that's something she must've never felt when she was younger because her brothers would pick on her. I think Magni and Modi should've been on screen longer. They were both interesting. I would particularly like to know what they think of their sister and their mother. I also want to know more about Magni, and I want to see how he perceives everything. We kinda already know that Modi is the pathetic and coward one. But we don't know much about Magni other than that he's strong and violent. But he appears to not be sadistic because he shames his brother for when Modi asks, "Can I have the boy?" It sucks that they both weren't on screen for much of the first game.

[@Zman.gamer.6989]

Just because I know you guys are going to ask. I like Heimdall because he is just mean to everyone sometimes for no reason. He's like one of those so bad it's good characters. He's just fun to watch. I wish we could actually see what his actual feelings and self perception were. We already know how he feels about the world. But I think he just has a lot of insecurities, and he makes himself feel better by bullying everyone. I think he hates the fact that he has 9 mothers. Who he probably never knew. We already know that Odin didn't care about him much at all. So he basically had to raise himself. Since no one ever told him no or punished him. He became a bully to everyone. Characters like Magni and Modi and Heimdall. Deserve more screentime.

[@kimicrewe4443]

@@Zman.gamer.6989Heimdall died because he couldn’t handle the pity Kratos showed him. We saw quite a bit about his “self perception”, he’s a cynical asshole who can’t accept people can be more than their worst parts.

[@kimicrewe4443]

Sif was just as bad as Thor, what we see in Ragnarok is them trying to be better, the entire point of that game.

[@Zman.gamer.6989]

@kimicrewe4443 I'm sure Sif had her flaws, but she was a better parent than Thor for sure. She was also more nurturing than Thor. If you look at Norse mythology. Magni and Modi aren't even Sifs biological sons. She's their stepmother. Their bio mother was a giant. Sif sees Magni and Modi as her own sons and the way she talks about them before Atreus steals the mask. You can tell she loved them. I wouldn't say she was a bad mother. She was a good mother who tried her best given the circumstances she found herself in. She was far more present in her children's lives than Thor, who was mostly off on errands for the All Father or drunk at some tavern.

[@Zman.gamer.6989]

@kimicrewe4443 Heimdall was an asshole I'll give you that. But I feel like there was more to his character than what we saw on screen. He didn't like the idea of Kratos pitying him. Because he viewed himself as superior to everyone other than the All Father. I just wish we could've seen more of the parts that he clearly hated about himself and was trying to hide with the tough guy asshole act. In a way, Heimdall is kinda like Homelander from the Boys. Homelander hated that he was part human so much to the point that he punished himself for feeling love and for caring about people. He also viewed himself as superior to everyone, and no one is on his level, not even other supes. Heimdall is the same. If you look at Heimdall through that lens. Heimdall is clearly trying to hide something he hates about himself. There is more to him as a person.

[@bootiebutter]

Kratos in god of war 3 said it best about the Greek gods. “Olympians overestimate themselves.”

[@bonKondebed]

I think it's important to mention that the biggest reason to why Modi was so confused after we kill Magni isn't out of shock or arrogance. They were prophesied to survive through Ragnarok together and were, for the most part, supposed to be unkillable until then. Of course, Kratos, as the breaker of fate, does what he does best.

[@davethelich]

you and tactical bacon should collab on the greek series. you both absolutely adore the series and approach the content from different angles. would truly be a treat

[@g3n3r1c6]

I just remember them for making "your mom" jokes constantly. Atreus definitely has mommy issues so it makes sense.

[@SympatheticStrawmanVA]

Modi did, Magni seemed a lot more goal-oriented.

[@g3n3r1c6]

@SympatheticStrawmanVA Looking back at it, yeah, it really was Modi who was throwing around the childish insults constantly. He really was utterly pathetic, and it reflects in how he looks much scrawnier and scruffier than Magni. By contrast, had Magni gotten to live, it seems like he had actual potential to live up to his father.

[@SmallOneEyedKing]

Fun Fact: Voice actors of Magni and Modi are also the Brothers from Uncharted 4.

[@Matt_Underwood]

At this point, it is pretty clear that when you get Nolan North, you get Troy Baker as a bonus. Hell, if you are extra lucky, you get Laura Bailey as free DLC

[@justinalicea1590]

"How did you...?" That line is stated because Magni and Modi were prophecized to survive Ragnarok. This is reinforced by his first lines at his return. "I earned that fucking hammer. But now everyone's gonna think I only got it 'cause Magni's gone." Once, Thor had a giant pillar fall on top of him that he could not get out from under, nor could anyone else. But then, when no one is looking, Magni and Modi together lift the pillar off of their father. Magni gets more of the credit though for the act, which in this game's presentation is why Magni bullies his brother and acts as his superior. This is relevant because the prophecy doesn't just say that Magni and Modi survive Ragnarok, but that they together inherit Mjolnir. So Magni's death means that the perceived better of the two brothers is gone, and if Modi still survives Ragnarok, he would be the sole wielder of Mjolnir only because he lived, and Magni did not. While this information is not directly stated anywhere, it clearly informs Magni's and Modi's characters in this game; their relationship between each other and to the world.

[@darby6588]

I feel like I enjoyed these guys more that most others

[@Mike-nd1oo]

Very entertaining whenever on-screen

[@gabrielaltshuler227]

Something that is also really interesting is that, inversely to how when kratos kills gods it’s after they refuse to change. Odin only kills Thor, when he DOES change.

[@fun_boy.22]

14:36 Is there anyone else who noticed that Modi is not only scared asf, in that moment, but when he is running away he is literally CRYING. I'm not for sure if it was cry out of fear or cry out of pain he witnessed after Kratos delivered him this powerful punch in his stomach. Maybe it's not that important, but for me it's a sign that Modi was even more fragile and pathetic than he is described as. The saddest thing about this is that it makes it even more clear that despite Aesirs being strong, brave and powerful, Modi being an Aesir himself is practically none of thos things, being considered as the weakest of Odin's family and perhaps even just a DISGRACE for whole Asgard.

[@cometmoon4485]

You're spoiling us here!! So much videos

[@barozukos7791]

My favorite thing about them is the fact that despite having a rivalry they still have excellent teamwork, Magni taking the center of attention while Modi ranges you down and creates AOEs, then switching roles when you focus on the other one

[@TheSSBBfan666]

i like that in Valhalla, Kratos honors them in combat and envisions them as better warriors worthy of their father's powers. (they get a rage state where their limbs, tattoos and weapons glow with lightning)

[@aaronthomson3639]

I do love how despite Modi being envious of Magni, he still was deeply upset about his brother's death.

[@TheSSBBfan666]

@@aaronthomson3639 yeah, even with how the family was, there was a still some family care and love deep down for some. Thrud misses her brothers as her weapons are inspired by them, a cleaver and a mace. which is more than can be said for the Olympians mostly.

[@PR1ME98]

Loving these GOW analysis videos. :)

[@sirshartsalotxvii]

6:33 that dodge from atreus was so clean

[@SmallOneEyedKing]

You forgot the minor details in the Valhalla DLC. It is when Kratos discussed to Mimir about facing off the Sons of Thor in Valhalla. What Valhalla is trying to show the purpose of the Sons of Thor in his past.

[@faye61]

ODDR BLODDR BLINDR!!!!

[@nightmare3711]

POINT BLOODY BLIND!!!!

[@BrandonJulianWindsor7]

BROTHERS BLINDING BREATH!

[@jeremyallen5974]

*Controller vibrates* No damage? Screw you game, that should've drained some of their health!

[@SageTheMagicRock]

Always a good day when I see a new post from this channel

[@itaysharf3207]

I find it funny that Baldur says " why? Yiu could have just walked away" to kratos at the final fight, but don't take his own advice when kratos beats him and lets him choose to walk away

[@realjubagas]

How many GOW video essays are we getting? FatBrett: Yes

[@gadielgonzalez2755]

Tis the season of giving and all that

[@nothingishere2837]

Magni and Modi in the myths are smart and strong asf, and even survive ragnarok to rebuild civilization

[@mitthrawnuruodo1730]

I think someone made a point about how magni and modi are reflections of kratos and Atreus if kratos never overcame his past behavior. He would have raised Atreus to be harsh and cruel and Atreus would have continued down the whole “we’re gods” path

[@itsthatbrownboiilite5699]

14:27 can we take a second and just appreciate how Kratos just looked at Modi's weapon, instantly thought it was a piece of shit, and just punched him out? Man was tweaked out of his mind because his son was in danger, and still couldn't bring himself to use Modi's weapon. That was such a great insult to modi, and it wasn't even a big deal. Gods Modi is such a loser.

[@zillafire101]

The lore says as much. Thor put out all the stops to give Magni a good sword to fit his style, while Modi had to basically scrape together a mace and shield for himself.

[@itsthatbrownboiilite5699]

@ no stop don’t make me feel bad for him, he’s creepy

[@alextejeda379]

What would've happened if Atreus decided not to kill Modi? Maybe Síf would never doubt or call him out, probably delaying Ragnarok and potentially sparing Brok's death

[@matti.8465]

Modi claiming he was totally going to earn the hammer even without Magni's death is so funny. I'm pretty sure Thor would give it to Thrúd over him.

[@hazamahasashi6100]

He missed the part that Magni is Honorable to offer Kratos a chance to surrender, Magni did not attack Kratos on sight when he finally met him. Magni is also enjoy fighting and respecting Strong foe too.

[@Freeze_On]

Oh please, oh please! Do Ghost of Tsushima as your next series!!! Keep up the awesome work!

[@AtamskArchadian]

One thing I love about God of War is how you learn something new each play through. The first time I played I thought that the storm that occurs when Atreus insults Sindri was caused by Atreus. My next play I realized the storm was caused by Thor and his rage while he beat Modi near to death.

[@rexben8027]

12:12 I think besides the reason you mentioned, he’s more shocked because according to the prophecy they were supposed to only die during Ragnarock, and Kratos basically broke the prophecy right there by killing one of them which scared the heck out of him.

[@KingofADHD]

No, in Norse mythology both brothers are prophesied to survive Ragnorok

[@FoolishMenace96]

Your videos are great especially during long walks or a shift at work. Appreciate all the effort

[@shonenacademia]

Way to make us hyped for the next video!!

[@ericrivas4106]

Very well done once again! I too look very much forward to seeing your video on Ares

[@TerryB01]

It's the Brothers of Destruction!

[@krishnavandewalle9459]

looking forward to your deconstruction of the Greek Pantheon.

[@bloodandbonezzz]

Beautiful character breakdown and exposure.

[@mnac1574]

Two videos within a week is legendary

[@ragnot95]

Love how the end music for the video helps to make a point that you will be focusing on the greek era games.

[@Chemicular_S]

Great vid! Super excited for Ares video!!

[@725ken]

Great breakdown, one thing I haven't seen anyone mention in the comments is that when Modi first appears he has the advantage against Kratos and Atreus. Him and Modi are boxing them in which is perfect for going on the offensive but instead of following that he goes right to his brother's side thus throwing away a perfectly good combative opportunity. Whether it's due to him not thinking ahead, underestimating Kratos and Atreus, or just plain old cowardice is anyone's guess but I thought it was a neat detail.

[@BoomstickJoe]

Love all the videos lately

[@quited4517]

love these, been watching for years

[@unknownstranger3646]

12:11 - 12:14 I believe that's technically Heimdall's title.

[@cosmiclegend5050]

18:39 I can't believe I'm saying this but I kind of feel bad for modi here,it's just his voice that makes me feel pity for him.😔

[@SmallOneEyedKing]

8:57 As Mimir said, they are trying to rile him up.

[@mattbauman55]

Brilliant id just found you 3 or 4 days ago and had run out of god of war videos so this is perfect

[@Whitelisted_Productions]

I can’t believe Joel from the last of us would do this

[@RedEveTillDawn]

taunting someone before they kill you is petty behavior

[@TheSkyrimps3]

What makes all of this even sadder is that Thor did change but he didn’t get a chance to start over either

[@TylerBrooker]

Interesting fact: the music for Magni/Modi's boss theme and Heimdall's boss theme is (almost) identical, which is fitting as they are all just servants of Odin

[@CyberXIII]

6:09 There's a third option, if you think about what a grown man would want with a helpless child in an M rated game, but I don't know if I even want to type it out publicly. Modi saying he wants Atreus as his new brother only comes up after Magni is dead, so that seems unlikely to me.

[@supergoodle5520]

I noticed one little hint at modi’s cowardice during the first confrontation with Kratos and Atreus where he stands a little behind magni right before the fight. It’s like one step but I think it’s neat as he’s essentially throwing magni at Kratos

[@A.D.I.D.A.S-916]

I just started this game 2 days ago for the first time & then he uploads this. What a coinkidink

[@clifflodriguss122]

BABE BABE BABE. WAKE UP. FATBRETT DROPPED ANOTHER GOW VIDEO 😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@afro-sisco9751]

4:29 why do I find it funny when you say that word so unenthusiastically

[@boeeats4889]

The qte spartan rage cut scenes go so hard

[@korky_maki_roll4401]

3:09 "Mom can we get Thor?" "No we have Thor at home." Thor:

[@leanlifeathome]

Could you please make a video talking about the real Tyr? I mean, the guy is very nice and he helps Kratos a lot in Valhalla.

[@musicbyjackstar2]

22:21 The only Aesir god to change his ways was seemingly Thor and he was murdered for it by his own father. It's so heartbreaking, that all of the aesir gods are rotten solely because of Odin's manipulation and misguidance, and that they could have all been kind like atreus if only they recieved a better upbringing and enviornment. It's like none of the Aesir could have changed even if they wanted to, because Thor was instantly murdered for it as soon as he mustered the strength to defy Odin. They were literally trapped in their ways simply for being born an Aesir god. Tyr was of course imprisoned for going against Odin, but there's no way to know if he was evil before or if he "changed his ways". Unless this is alluded to in Valhalla when he tells Kratos "I know what you're wrestling with, Spartan. I understand it better than you realize. The shame, the doubt." but there's no concrete evidence for Tyr previously having adopted Odin's evil outlook on life as the others did. EDIT: I didn't include Sif or Thrud here becasue it seems that they weren't subscribed to the choices Odin encouraged anyways, they just didn't become a problem to Odin. I also added "seemingly" to the first sentence.

[@shizamza]

Atreus saying YOUR NEXT after Modi is grieving always cracks me up

[@lashonnakennybrew4847]

Bro these two brothers are crazy in the God of War Ragnarok but I feel bad because Thor and his wife are bases the one more responsible because how they raised and treated them but then when I had a sister come along she probably got everything better than they did

[@nicholasaugello2534]

Modi was just desperate for respect... And he didn't even think for second what he thought about himself only thinking about what others think of him. He was a damned fool. Just like his father.

[@KebGrinder]

11:30 magni and modi are not demi gods they are full gods

[@DreamingVi6312]

actually, not quite. thor in the god of war universe is half giant, half god as seen in Ragnarok. so that would make his sons demi gods too.

[@Harrison_big_lad]

8:39 I like how at first Modi tries to intimidate Kratos, but almost immediately succumbs to rage and fear

[@dominickkhan7554]

I’m loving your in-depth analysis on the god of war series and now that it’s gonna be the Greek series I have something else to look forward too. Thank you🔥🔥🔥

[@danielsoti9027]

I hoped you would include their appearance in Valhalla.

[@Prowz4ssin]

Man, I forgot how long Modi holds Kratos down with lightning, and the Mimir is on Kratos' hip the entire time.

[@marshallneff1631]

Modi was basically an internet troll. And what i also think is worth mentioning is that in his death scene, the roles rewerse. At first modi was the thrashtalker, and Atreus was the one who went berserk. And in modis death scene, Atreus was the one thrashtalking modi, whose first reaction was screaming ,,I'll kill you!". I think thats a pretty nice way of showing that Atreus stooped to modis level, and he is curently in his lowest point

[@hallludba]

I’d absolutely love for you to make similar videos about disco elysium. There is SO MUCH to explore and analyze in that game Edit: the pale, evrart claire, klaasje, kim, and cuno. And that’s just off the top of my head

[@adamH.1]

The flow of nostalgia that went through me when i heard the Lanayru Sand Sea music...

[@xavierponciano4189]

I wasn't sure if magni and modi needed a video but that last segment where all tha Asgardian gods deaths (aside from thor) were because of not making a new choice was very noteworthy

[@willnorman-bargo]

Modi living and joining the heroes in the second game would have been cool to see.

[@martinnicholson8647]

I think the part how none of the gods could change that led to there death is really sad because it’s actually Thor who is the only one who does change and stops being a destroyer

[@iamawesome4026]

What would have actually happened if Modi didn’t die in the game? It would have been maybe a little better with Thor, thrud, and modi living together and helping each other.

[@jarofpickles4057]

I wish we had gotten more scenes with these two, especially Magni. He looks so cool and his voice actor is Troy Baker.