Halo Infinite - Utterly Underwhelming

[@Kurondaiku]

I’ll never understand why 343 feels the need to try and make the game rated T. I was 12 years old when 3 came out and the M rating didn’t stop me.

[@svc9510]

This halo is pegi 18. The first pegi 18 halo

[@MysteryHandle76]

@@svc9510 Nah that was for a showcase it wasn't an official rating, it will more than likely be a PEGI 16 bc every Halo game has been rated that and not only that nothing in that gameplay reveal looked like an 18. Infact I'd argue it looked like a 12 rated game

[@j19aiden91]

@@aniceusername452 4 is rated M.

[@fancycoltrhs5423]

halo doesnt really need a M rating tbh

[@looinrims]

@@aniceusername452 you gnome Halo 4 is and has always been rated M for mature

[@FavynTube]

Thank you all for your patience on this one. This will not be my only video on Halo Infinite and I'm planning additional ones very soon. It's not my intention to be negative, only to be honest...and that will always be the case. Let me know what you thought and whether or not this video made you consider things you hadn't previously considered before. As a brief side note. When discussing sandbox in this video I am mainly referring to the external sandbox surrounding the player. I am aware that in game design player abilities are often considered part of the sandbox as well but I make that distinction in the video. Also the gameplay is a little choppy but there's only so much I can do with 8 minutes to cover a 25 minute commentary. Thank you all again, follow the channel for more, and i'll see you real soon. Edit: yes I am aware there was a deployable cover ability in Halo 3 that was barely used in the campaign and was not in matchmaking. When referring to neutral equipment I was talking about how they influenced the multiplayer component of the game. Thus my ommisions of on demand active camo, invulnerability, and the defense turret as well that were all present in the campaign. I'm very careful with my words, so please pay close attention before accusing me of contradicting myself.....but by all means accuse me of contradicting myself if I actually do. -Fav

[@derpyn00b38]

i can respect u for that. i have seen many videos with how people are disappointed, but for me the hype is still real as hell

[@shpearg]

13:00 onwards. Interesting thoughts on grapple and the potential for it to nullify novel gameplay situations when you can Just Cause your way past them (probably why those games get old real quick).

[@FloydMcEachernShinAnarchy]

personally I really do not agree with a lot of what the video says...but that is two people having a different opinion. I feel the game will do fine and I am looking forward to release.

[@jaydenharrison1436]

Shin Anarchy Halo 5 was missing so many core features when it released, don’t get your hopes up. Especially now during covid 19.

[@stricklandjeffrey80]

I agree with everything you've said about this Game, I was just throw off on how so many youtubes(Comments) see the issues and say they are "hopeful/disappointed" as one word like you can just say its bad. But I'm still gonna buy it lol

[@mbvmbvmbv]

“i want halo to be special again” that hit some type of way...

[@naderzein2435]

It's hilarious when chief goes up the elevator and the music swells and the game is trying to tell you "hey look at this huge beautiful environment", and you can see all the clouds and texture popping in in the distance smh.

[@corbinlinder2631]

@Dan Smith a console is literally a custom/proprietary PC with a custom operating system. PC's can also have SSD's. What you just said doesn't make sense.

[@godderific6443]

@Philip Manousakis I mean, the ring is artificially made and not complete, those hexagons aren't rendering issues, that's just how they would look.

[@JOHNsotiriadis98]

@@godderific6443 yes thats just the excuse of 343 to make the game simpler

[@godderific6443]

@@JOHNsotiriadis98 I guess I can trust the guy I don't even know and probably only got this from someone else thinking it's true.

[@kjj26k]

@@godderific6443 We've already seen what a damaged Halo (End of 3) looks like, and it was vastly more fascinating than this.

[@bubbajoe117]

If I could wrap up your entire point about the gameplay in a TL;DR format, it would probably be this: 343 in their attempts to please both old fans and new fans, have essentially created a trilogy completely incapable of having a consistent gameplay experience, and because they operate without a core formula that holds their trilogy together, the present day Halo community is faced with an inevitable death of dividing itself up around five different gaming experiences rather than being able to rally behind one.

[@advait35]

I love the way Halo feels rn and while the textures could use more work (which is something they are doing) I feel it's amazing and perfect rn and I'm gonna buy it day 1. Several people feel so too

[@gabenewell3955]

Advait Maindalkar halo could have felt just as good without sprint

[@bubbajoe117]

@@advait35 We won't know how it "feels" till we're actually playing it for ourselves dude, i'm glad you're content with what you saw and tbh I still kinda am for the most part too, but (And I say this as someone who's been listening in passing since like 2016) Favyn has always had some legitimately insightful commentary on Halo's gameplay design over the years, and I think it's worth hearing him out because he makes some genuine points. Ultimately I think the biggest point in all of this is to remember to not get swept away by the hype and fan-fair, cause the last time that happened we all got burnt in a way this franchise has yet to heal from even 5 years later.

[@hiimchrisj]

"I love the way Halo feels rn". "it's amazing and perfect rn" I'm a bit lost, here. "right now" referring to when, exactly? I'm confused as to how you can say you like how it feels, considering nobody's been able to play the game yet. Or do you mean you like the enhanced mobility of the past few games? At which case, like Favyn explained in the video, I don't see how you can like what we've been shown of Infinite so far, considering they nerfed all those mechanics to the point they look kinda pointless. Or are you just trying to say it looks good to you? If that's what you're trying to say, cool, I guess. But that's not really an argument against any of the criticisms.

[@Hot18Shot]

Basically Star Wars.

[@DarkSteel361]

The crux of the issue is that they’re literally trying to appeal to every audience (classic halo fans, 343 halo fans, kids and gamers from other games entirely, all at the same time). I think it’s a recipe for disaster.

[@animeturnMMD]

That is exactly which ruined Halo 5. If you try to please everyone, you won't please anyone.

[@potatopeeler2919]

animeturn No, halo 5 was ruined because the campaign was a totally different game compared to the trailers. Unfortunately no one likes to talk about that.

[@DarkSteel361]

@@potatopeeler2919 Definitely both attempting to appeal to wider audiences and definitely also bait and switching us. I think same thing has happened with Infinite. Check the announcement trailer and compare that to the gameplay trailer

[@agentmagenta6405]

It's also what used to be know as a compromise. Wherein neither side got exactly what they wanted, but rather a middle ground was struck that all parties could accept, albeit begrudgingly. Of course, that was in the distant past of the pre 2000's. Before the rise of social media and our current zero sum "exactly the way I want it and anyone who even slightly disagrees is a piece of s***" method of discourse 🙄

[@DarkSteel361]

Robert Anderson compromise is definitely possible so long as the market is audience isn’t literally everyone. When a game or a movie tries to appeal to literally every audience you get a confused befuddled mess. Ie the Star Wars prequels, check out Mr plinkett’s reviews for more on that. But you end up with something that has weird slapstick for little kids, violence for teens, and characters that behave so stupidly it takes you out of the experience

[@firestorm4477]

That lift on the storm is so much fun, I always take a mongoose up there and land it on the scarab.

[@reffa2858]

Scarab!? I was too busy trying to jump on one of the banshees!

[@Dillman502]

I didn't know that lift was there for a good two years after first playing the campaign.

[@drakowithadraco]

@@Dillman502 I didn't know that lift was there until about two months ago. And I still haven’t gone up it lol.

[@TheManOfRash]

Me and my friends literally spent 2 hours just fucking around on that part alone recently. It's such a blast how you can do dumb funny shit on Halo CE-3.

[@firestorm4477]

@@TheManOfRash That's peak halo sandbox design right there.

[@seanfisher7707]

Cautiously optimistic, hopeful yet disappointed.

[@JRF119]

yep same here.

[@jodada97]

This was worded perfectly lol

[@starsuwuFPS]

@Inigo Arroyo they switched from unreal engine 4 to slipspace, also working on the engine for 3 years isn't necessarily a bad thing, it's entirely possible that assets, physics, etc. were developed concurrently additionally this is an engine that is required to run consistently on a range of hardware, keyword consistently, which is extremely difficult in a short amount of time

[@Changedalarm2]

@Inigo Arroyo Soo it looks bad that's it 343 made halo 5 fun i didnt even have to spartan charge over all the gun play was fun some guns excelled at certain ranges but over all the game required skill to play if u go against a pistol in previous games like 2-4 with the better gun wins whats the point in shit guns that dnt kill where as in halo 5 u can kill with any gun as long as u have the skill to use it i love the weapon balance in halo 5. warzone is a different story overall warzone was fun weapon balance better than most modern day shooters. Also if people are comparing it to halo 3. i remember at one point when the halo community was calling it gaylo 3 which sucks so in my opinion the halo community is toxic too it's self they get what they want they hate it get something new they hate it even people hated halo reach a game made by bungie sooo after halo 3 the halo community went to shit halo is now a game for new people the oldies will just stay stuck trying to figure out the halo their sooo confused about and want

[@QuankyFlacidFilms]

​@@Changedalarm2 no

[@FearNot777]

At the end of the day, halo mcc is all that matters now.

[@lisandroge]

They need to add mod support or something cause its a collection of games we have all already played

[@Spark412]

@@lisandroge Literally been planned since the beginning of the PC port.

[@marshestmellow9524]

They shat all over that with the new armors in halo 3 too

[@gabenewell3955]

@@marshestmellow9524 those armors are fine imo

[@dookieblossoms2980]

that's the worst thing u could say :(

[@briandrenth2316]

As H5 fan, I completely agree with you here. The Sprint looks slow. I would take classic movement over half baked modern movement anyday. The weapons look boring. Where is the brute shot? Where is the og shotgun?

[@Marinesrock07]

OG shotgun, no longer exists basically. It's not in the game, but *"they may add it later"* probably like they did the H2 BR in Halo 5, through it in multiplayer instead of having something as classic as that in from the beginning

[@Tapetenscnueffler]

@@Marinesrock07 Yeah, and just like in H5 if they add months later the old weapon we all wantet like the Spnkr rocket launcher, we only got in in multiplayer. In campaign im still locked to use the old model and that really sucks. For me the campaign matters the most and not having the classic weapons in there i have to ask: did they learn nothing from H5 in this regard? I hope due the delay they find a way to implement these two missing weapons into campaign and multiplayer DAY FUCKING ONE. Have a nice day.

[@thesponge836]

That shotgun suuuucks can't even kill a grunt at close range 8:25

[@tintin6291]

As a halo 5 fan. Hcs settings fan specifically. I want classic at this point. This middle ground shit isnt it. Halo 5s gameplay was fun because it was unique

[@briandrenth2316]

@@tintin6291 I thought the ShyWay did a great job explaining the difference from H3 to H5 in one of his latest vids. I still wish the sprint was faster, but the slide still opens up options that wouldn't be available in a game like reach. It's kinda odd how whenever H5 tries a classic playlist, it doesn't ever seem to go that well. Maybe Infinite can make a classic playlist with it's own maps specifically made for classic. Just take on some H3 pros to help tune the maps... idk, it doesn't seem impossible. Just needs to be there for more than a month..

[@E-damnn]

This game made me realize how accurate those toys looked...

[@NFS0038]

Ah, the Disney star wars approach. Design toys first, make the movies later.

[@BrokenCircle1]

Yeah not as fan of the art style but I'm more worried about microtransactions.

[@Fuk99999]

Lego Brute armor

[@Fuk99999]

@@BrokenCircle1 apparently it will be free to play

[@BrokenCircle1]

@@Fuk99999 I know, made a video on my channel talking about it yesterday :)

[@stricklandjeffrey80]

Anyone watching this after the Delay announcement? Reinforming what we all knew the minute we saw the Gameplay

[@koyjosh94]

It hurts my heart to see halo where it is. I desperately want to like this halo game but I'd be an idiot to put my trust in 343.

[@ChadCawleyYT]

Just wait for the final product it'll be better bro I'm hoping

[@sugarray1345]

Joshua Koy I feel your hurt brother. I too was seriously underwhelmed when I watched the demo. The graphics are current/last-gen, the textures are flat and the lighting effects are dire. I’m going to keep the faith though. I think it will be so much fun to play. An open world Halo is going to be awesome with, hopefully, upgradeable weapons and gear. I’m also confident that the game will receive a fair amount of visual polish before launch. It’s frustrating that ray tracing will be added post-launch though. Halo Infinite has to be amazing. So much is riding on this game.

[@sugarray1345]

Dustin Smith I think us Halo fans have to be optimistic that the game will be incredible. I wasn’t wowed by the demo, but we only saw 8 minutes and the core gameplay mechanics looked solid. With so much at stake with this game, I really can’t see 343 releasing something that doesn’t live up to expectations. I still have a lot of hope.

[@deltase7en717]

Well, after 10 years of failure, i think its justifiable to be cautious

[@Supermario0727]

Halo has been dead since 2012. The remaining Halo fans are essentially zombies at this point.

[@Shatter149]

halo infinite stayed in the oven for 5 years then came out half baked.

[@captainfuture5984]

Yup. That about sums it up.

[@JCULLI]

Facts

[@619Patches]

They baked it at 15 degrees for 400 minutes instead of the other way around..

[@dylantrevorlinville1340]

No it's overbaked to where mistakes were repeated and the graphics look heated while the gameplay is almost 5 again so us Classic fans aren't being fairly treated you can just adjust the base movement speed and jump height so enhanced mobility should be deleted because in Halo it was never ever needed

[@x-sylvr]

The end of the quote Reminds me of Destinys Trials Of Osiris

[@MrArticSwing]

I respect how you don’t insult those who disagree with you or even say they’re wrong. You mention your opposition in whatever aspect you’re talking about, then say “more power to them” or “this feature won’t bother them, so they’ll be ok...” very important behavior for a video game commentator I think and too scarce

[@DavidMartinez-hl9ms]

MrArticSwing listen to bud m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/rXyxkKiOic-BnKs

[@meurum2561]

Lol more power to them is basically saying their views are shit still

[@ObamaGaming44]

Jacob Bailey that’s not what it means at all

[@ki11aqueen5]

@@ObamaGaming44 what does it mean then

[@ObamaGaming44]

Undead Pyro It just means that if you have a differing opinion then that’s perfectly fine and there’s no reason to be ashamed of it

[@HazopGaze]

You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain. The longer I watch this, the more I think about it, the more I think Halo should have stopped with Reach. That should have been it. We know the Chief lived, we know the galaxy was saved from the Covenant and the Flood, and that could have been the end of it. (Edit - I'm speaking more from a perspective of watching everything that was once good be torn down piece by friggin' piece. I DON'T want Halo to end. I DO want it to be better. Just like I said with Red Vs Blue. Just like I said with Star Wars. Spongebob. Call Of Duty. Terminator. Alien. Predator. A thousand and one others. I don't want Halo to end... I'm just really... really... really... friggin' sick of watching it and the community around it suffer.) To anyone who reads this last bit, I have one request. Reply with something that hasn't been done yet in a shooter game. I really would like to see how many unique ideas come up.

[@bignaaasty5096]

@ "settle down virgin"

[@HazopGaze]

@ Honestly, I really don't. I used to think that's what the Classic Halo community was after but that's so far from the truth it makes me sick to know that I did. Though I truly am glad you liked what you saw.

[@HazopGaze]

@ I agree with you on that one. And yeah, more details are definitely needed... The 8 minute demo felt like a small glass of water after having been working outside in hotter than hell weather all day. Kinda nice, but also such a tease...

[@Supermario0727]

Halo should have ended with a bang. Instead it was resurrected by 343i, and what we are left with is a lifeless soul in the husk of Halo.

[@legacian4039]

Destructible weapons. As annoying as it might be, it would be pretty damn realistic and clutch to have your weapon jam on you or malfunction after taking so much wear and tear. Plus it would give more incentive to pick up weapons dropped by enemies. Which in itself is a second idea, the ability to wrestle a weapon away from an enemy.

[@Bane_questionmark]

3 steps forward, 43 steps back.

[@erickrasniewski567]

343 in a nutshell they need to reboot the game everytime

[@sighrow1313]

:( halo 3 on pc is pretty good I guess 😭😭

[@get_spanked240]

Anthony Spano i love having halo 3 on pc! Its been great!

[@bb8328]

Never changes.

[@ATP2555ify]

343. Coli

[@SpartanBeta312]

Anyone saying halo is gunna be fine has to look at 343's track record

[@medjrikais2419]

Xbox players are blind after the X box showcase the last chance for Microsoft I decided ps5 next gen for me tiered of the same halo gears forza

[@TheRAINMan059]

Oh please, you types won't be satisfied until the next Halo game is literally a Halo 3 remaster with a new story. Halo 5, while lacking severely in its story, had improved level, enemy, weapon, and gameplay design from Halo 4 for sure. The multiplayer in Halo 5 is extremely compelling and enduring; there is equal starts in arena, weapons on map, a host of great game modes, and the best iteration of Forge yet that has spawned a host of impressive maps. In my mind, all 343 needs to do differently for Halo Infinite to make a fantastic game is 1.) Improve their story/storytelling and 2.) Launch with all of the modes not pushed off as DLC

[@TheChocoboRacer]

TheRAINMan059 I actually liked Halo 5's story to be honest. It took more of a halo novels approach to story, and if you read the books, it was a lot of fun to play

[@alondite215]

Anyone who has a problem with 343's track record very obviously knows jack shit about game design and gameplay engineering.

[@alondite215]

@Sahil C cop-out response. What's the matter, don't have an argument? Of course you don't, or you would have countered me instead of trying to dismiss me (which, spoiler alert, doesn't work). Pathetic.

[@gubzs]

This game looks completely soulless. I don't know how else to describe it. There is absolutely zero love here.

[@kingorange7739]

I cannot help but agree. Even Halo 5 had some passion. In the multiplayer at least.

[@Tres_Nueve]

Exactly

[@Marinesrock07]

Yep, that's basically what I said in my comment as well. You can tell this is a passion project made because they want to make a good game. This is 343 trying to get the most money possible out of game that's trying to cater to all audiences.

[@looinrims]

Forget love there’s no fucking creativity, I thought the default control scheme of Halo 5 definitely not being call of duty’s would’ve told everyone that, but no, people refuse to believe halo 5 is a cod clone (which it is) But the fact they put in a 1911 looking magnum and a goddamn basic bitch assault rifle pattern, what is it the Commando? Yeah, fuck them

[@gubzs]

I've been burned way too many times to give 343 the benefit of the doubt, we all have. My guess is this is going to be a complete disaster on par with Halo 5.

[@RantRadio]

Something tells me 343 will dismiss most of H5 story like they did H4 and Spartan Ops.

[@NFS0038]

@@RantRadio not an issue with me, Halo 5's story sucked. But they shouldn't have messed up in the first place.

[@limonbattery]

@@NFS0038 The problem is what will they have to show at the end of the last three games? 343 has ultimately failed to create any coherent overarching narrative for the Reclaimer saga, and I can't imagine anyone going back and viewing it fondly in later years.

[@specter_of_thestars2500]

I mean recent articles quite clearly explain the development is troubled to all hell. I mean Microsoft spitballed the idea of shipping this game with just campaign for 2020 before its delay, it’s extremely worrying

[@X8X8X6X4X]

Agree 100%

[@thatjapaneseguy7505]

The truth is 343 did a bad job at presenting Halo Infinite. First impressions matter. We can not judge the Gameplay for we have not been able to test out the Beta. However what we can judge is the graphics, detail, textures, rendering, lighting, shadowing, and pop in that are very prominent and bad in the Gameplay showcase. It is supposed to be a Next Gen title, and we expected Next Gen standards. It is not that we expected a lot from 343, it is that we expected a standard that is supposed to be Next Gen. Do not Defend 343, Do not Hate 343, give them the criticism. They messed up and they deserve. 343 has to take the criticism and fix and improve the game to meet the standards, that is all.

[@looinrims]

I mean we saw the gameplay, gameplay that was boring as fuck and uninspired

[@limonbattery]

Aaaand the game was delayed - guess it paid off.

[@looinrims]

Perry Tran not really the core fundamentals are set in stone, the sprint will be there and it will suck, the weapon sandbox is already kneecapped and bland, the armor abilities (well in campaign, we haven’t seen the mp version just yet) simplify encounters

[@limonbattery]

@@looinrims I'm not saying I expect a big change, nor am I saying the gameplay even looks interesting as is. I just think it's highly likely they wouldn't have delayed it if it weren't for everyone saying how meh or outright bad the demo was. But hey, maybe they'll go back on their removal of the classic shotgun and magnum and push their inclusion to be at launch instead of vaguely saying "soon"™

[@looinrims]

Perry Tran oh you’re right it’s 100% because of the reaction and not for any bullshit COVID-19 business, just like Hardline

[@Filip1613]

•sprint, clamber, slide, hitmarkers •open world, default grapple, rpg like upgrades (destiny-light) •10 year plan as a live service "I know we're losing... I want to know if we've lost."

[@DJ5540]

They already said upgrades are things you find around the map and not based on any leveling

[@Filip1613]

@@DJ5540 ...and?

[@lucelenthawk3543]

@@Filip1613 so its not like a rpg you brainlet

[@Filip1613]

@@lucelenthawk3543 except it is, just because you get them in a different manner (in this case like a Zelda game, or Skyrim shouts or whatever) you still increase your own power. Whether you get them through exp or find them is irrelevant to my point.

[@joshywashy3453]

Why are hit markers a complaint?

[@rurutherussian]

“And it doesn’t concern me for my own enjoyment, I’m already uninterested” *GOLD* 😂😂😂

[@eff_this_network]

10:45 Lmao

[@XBX4LFE]

I felt exactly the same way and literally said the same things you did....our beloved Halo. I want it to be delayed badly. It's not ready, also bring back the M rating ( we need blood). Look at call of duty and last of us and all these top selling M rated games.

[@SweetStaticBun]

If you actually watched the reveal one, you'd know the build is multiple weeks old, two, there's still MONTHS before launch. And three, the blood is back and better than halo 4-5. Pay attention to things before you complain like a little kid 😒

[@XBX4LFE]

@@SweetStaticBun You know anything about game development? Doesn't seem like it, make sure you do your research next time kid. Oh and get your eyes checked by your pediatrician.

[@TheChocoboRacer]

XBX4LFE Do you work in a game studio? Have you had any experience engineering and collaborating with people on similar projects on a similar scale to halo infinite? If you don't, then you need to shut the fuck up. That applies to everyone. You can be concerned with how the game plays, the art direction, but don't pretend like you or anyone else should criticize the speed at which the game is developing. You have no idea how the slipspace engine works or what tools the developers are utilizing to design the game. Plus, he's right. The build was 3 months old. Look it up

[@justwait9822]

@@TheChocoboRacer 343 themselves confirmed in a blog post that the build is a few weeks old. You dont have to work in the games industry to know that the last few months are usually spent on debugging and polish not redoing texture maps. Games usually go gold a month before release so they can be printed to disc and distributed to retail. The fact ray tracing is confirmed to be a future patch should tell you this game had a rocky development and is not on schedule.

[@Tres_Nueve]

You get it.

[@sagebias2251]

Who cares about 4k when 1440p looks great and can have real time ray tracing.

[@joechinchar9833]

Yeah, and I would even more rather have maybe 1080p with say 90 fps

[@dikasmusha6194]

@@joechinchar9833 Microsoft is not fully on pc yet. most TVs do not have refresh rates over 60, but they do have higher resolutions like 4k. i don't like it either but that's why they're doing it

[@joechinchar9833]

@@dikasmusha6194 if 144 hertz tvs aren't the norm 5 years from now, something will have to have gone terribly wrong. Even on 60 hertz tvs, you can tell the difference between 60 and 90/120 frames. Its in the response time and the "smoothness" of the game. And it would be future proofing in some form, especially when the casual communities fully grasp just how much higher framerates effect the enjoyable of a game. But it's honestly the scariest part of the Xbox showcase for me, the focus on 4k 60, like 60 frames is next gen. We're used to 60 frames in seige and cod, even on console, and it would be terribly disappointing if new games just left there framerates at 60 and did try to push past that, or at least give the consumer more graphics options. Especially as games age and lose that "best looking game out" appeal, returning to replay old titles, alot of people aren't gonna be focused on visuals as much as they might be on gameplay. Hopefully I'm wrong. Hopefully halo infinite's 60 fps is just gonna be standard for open world games and well see 120 fps in the halo multiplayer and the new COD and fighting games etc.

[@chrisdaniel1998]

Marketing teams! :D

[@roar104]

Who go for more frames when we could go 8k 20fps o:

[@unsc2060]

343i has whiffed 3 times in a row. Why are we at all surprised by this fourth blunder?

[@CUSTARDP00DLETK]

Halo 4, MCC, Halo 5, MCC again (PC) and now Infinite.

[@jamesmackey7526]

@@CUSTARDP00DLETK mcc wasn't a failure on PC and is no one going to mention halo wars 2 that was a success

[@CUSTARDP00DLETK]

@@jamesmackey7526 Are you serious? Horrendous fucking aim assist putting controller plebs above pc users, AA being broken, no sever selection like C.E pc. In short, no actual pc features past uncapped frame rate. They said it would be a no compromise release. And thats not mentioning the long withstanding bugs.

[@roar104]

@@jamesmackey7526 it was, yet again, bad ports and issues with all the games at launch so far. Halo 3 has the least, but they're still there, especially when playing co-op. Halo wars 2 wasn't 343, which is why it was a success

[@CUSTARDP00DLETK]

@@roar104 Exaclty. They were shitty console ports, not PC first releases like they advertised.

[@LateNightHalo]

I’m disappointed that they recognized the issues an unlimited grappling hook would cause to MP but chose to have unlimited grappling hook in campaign :/ Why does MP get to benefit from what a limited, external gadget would bring but not campaign?

[@JayPenrake]

Exactly

[@ionyxgaming365]

If you watch The Act Man's video he shows gameplay where the grapple hook appears to have limited use. When the player used the grappling hook the the number displayed next to the grappling hook icon switched from 1-0. I think that means it that the grappling hook might have a limited use

[@kingorange7739]

Ikr? It’s ridiculous

[@vladimirlovato4192]

Because choosing to use grapple hook for everything in campaign only ruins your experience in the campaign, where it ruins everyone's in MP. Having said that, it is still the developers responsibility to protect the player from themselves and to keep them from "optimizing the fun out of the game" (game makers tool kit has a great video about it) and the truth is we don't know how 343 is going to do that yet. It it very possible that there are very specific elements that the grapple hook can interact with (like in portal) so that the puzzle approach to combat is preserved. I doubt grappling everywhere is going to be an issue... Besides, I fail to recall the last time I did a run through Halo 3 and did many of the encounters differently because I found a way that works for me. I am hoping that having the open world (and the grappling hook adding variety to interactions) would push me to find different ways to approach an encounter in the future. Also MP is NOT an open world environment in traditional Halo, and I hope it stays as a stage based game

[@Pepe-ts9ec]

Ionyx Gaming - No. the grappling hook works on a cooldown. The grappling hook will ONLY ever display a 1 or a 0. 0 represents the cooldown period and 1 means it is ready for use. I’ve seen the same video by the Acting Male but I have also debunked that theory by watching the gameplay video. You can see for yourself. Unfortunately, the grappling hook is permanent if you have it selected. (Maybe it cant even be removed in Campaign)

[@carbodude5414]

Halo still trying to chase trends while Doom managed to truly innovate without needing to chase trends,

[@KBergs]

ID is infinitely better than 343 as a dev

[@ToxicBalloon360]

@@KBergs Yep, no comparison.

[@EchoLocoCJ]

It's because ID respects dooms formula. They trust in the design of doom while 343 is terrified of the design of halo

[@charleswinters9567]

''... as he literally sprints to a Warthog'' That part made me lose it xD

[@SneedRemembrancer]

Yeah the sprint defenders are a curious bunch. They fail to realise what halo is and the tools halo has.

[@cojuan7596]

@joseaca yeah u wont have a vechile for all of it but once u get out doesn't mean u need another way to move around quicker

[@Supermario0727]

Enclave Yeah Even Bungie addressed the issue of traversing large environments back in 2001! The level Halo is very large? No problem, give the player a Warthog! Two Betrayals is cumbersome to traverse? Not with a Banshee! As you said, Bungie already gave Halo the unique tools required to address such problems. Yet 343i insists on using lame, generic mechanics to rectify them.

[@Supermario0727]

joseaca I fail to see a need in moving fast. The destination matters not. It is the journey that defines the experience.

[@TheChadPad]

@joseaca Just because all the rest of them have it doesn't mean Halo has to have it

[@non-disclosure9417]

"I'm getting Anthem vibes". Go out and look at the posts from 343 employees on glassdoor and those Anthem vibes become concussion waves.

[@Nate-BreakingPoint-Interactive]

Here's a quote I found from a senior environment artist there. "Horrible tools / technology, complete lack of honesty between management and employees, production decisions strictly made by committee & bureaucracy, an entrenched senior leadership and management cabal driven by cronyism and favoritism, employees not empowered or trusted to do what they are hired for, utter lack of vision from highest levels of leadership, absolutely no accountability for senior management and leadership with regard to decision making" Sounds like a nice place to work..

[@FalloutWanderer-uq5sh]

Only issue I have is how do you know the review isn't from a disgruntled employee? I say this for all studios, not only 343. As with most things the truth is somewhere in the middle. Now I'm off to go read some 343 Glassdoor reviews ;-)

[@Theorymus]

I'm not a halo fan, but when I saw that cinematic I was hyped but when the actual game play was shown, not so much.

[@skeebas_2541]

Trans theories is here!!! Also I’m one of the people who just wants to play halo again. I don’t really care about the graphics to be honest. Like I still think the original trilogy looks beautiful.

[@peanutgallery4]

@Inigo Arroyo It looks like an average Xbox One game, but it was supposed to be so much more than that.

[@QuankyFlacidFilms]

​@@skeebas_2541 your low standards are a contributing factor to the failure of Halo. thank you

[@oberonvortigern4138]

Judging from a lot of the people defending the game, they seem to be children or teens who never really dove into Halo when it came out back in the 360 era. Swear, they just want CoD gameplay with a Halo skin. Like deadass was not impressed at all with the trailer.

[@megaman37456]

@@oberonvortigern4138 I defend Infinite am 28 and started with Halo with Halo 3 when I was 16. Your statement is debunked. I believe a game with good and stable gameplay and sub-par graphics will trounce a game with amazing graphics and sub-par gameplay and stability any day. And when I say Sub-par gameplay I don't mean sprint or a lack thereof I mean gameplay that geuinely stops working, like Yandere Simulator for example.

[@reaktorleak89]

OMFG. You're right. The hexagon pillars must be a "Grappling Hook Resistant Surface" because its existence broke the game traversal. Oh no...I hope a developer from 343 can comment on this....

[@leeham6230]

remove the grappling hook! so tacky!

[@Spark412]

@@leeham6230 Never seen so many people whine about a cool gadget. Don't use it if you dislike it, but grappling hooks are cool as shit.

[@leeham6230]

@@Spark412 It will flip the game design of Halo on it's head. Watch the video "Halo Infinite: Utterly Ujderwhelming". The guy explains perfectly what is wrong with this new game.

[@tamezzodiac2862]

@@leeham6230 halo isn’t anything new anymore it’s just a copy the trend game that’s why it’s there halo sucks now this demo is proof it will never get good again

[@leeham6230]

@@tamezzodiac2862 I agree lol. It's a walking corpse.

[@MrHyjac]

Are we just gonna ignore how these modern “grapple hooks” have no physics to them and just pull you in a straight line? ...Throwin some shine to titan fall 2 😁

[@PANCAKEMINEZZ]

Or the fact that Chief weighs around 2 tons, yet will fly towards a grunt or brute like he weighs nothing. I'd probably be more receptive to the grapple hook if instead of flying towards enemies, you'd pull them to you since Chief would have to be the anchor die to his suit's weight. I can believe in Titanfall 2 that a pilot can pull themselves towards a wall, but he'll, even in that game if you hook an enemy the enemy doesn't just stand in place, you both start getting reeled into the line: the enemy starts moving towards you and you move in closer faster.

[@MrHyjac]

PANCAKEMINEZZ LOL that’s right he is like 2 ton. No super believable. And I know that’s why I like TF2 believable fiction/physics.

[@V2ULTRAKill]

@@PANCAKEMINEZZ i mean have you seen doom eternals meathook The slayer weighs a shitton too and he goes flying tiwards even the lightest demons

[@itsyurmumm8458]

@@MrHyjac I’m saying the same thing and people just give the ‘its just a game’ and ‘its 500 years in the future huur duuur!’ Humans in Halo didn’t even have the capability to exist outside the solar system until the mid-late 23rd century with the arrival of slip-space drives, so they’re completely wrong about the technology being SO FARR AHEAD. Hell, humanity still uses cased ammunition and bullets in Halo. That’s what gave the lore in Halo it’s appeal, the human technology seems pretty grounded in reality. These kind of players that do this ‘just a game’ ruin good games because people are fine with crappy mechanics.

[@itsyurmumm8458]

@@MrHyjac They’ll just pull a Halo 4 Chiefs armor change story (Nanobot technology and CORTANA!) and inject some sleazy, lazy writing to explain why a tiny grappling hook with steel wound cord thinner than most wound industrial cord, can pull a 2 ton object towards a 150-200 pound grunt.

[@JayPenrake]

Everyone is clawing for any excuses to put their worries to rest... even I am :(

[@thetruestar6348]

Exactly people keep saying "wait till it comes out and it's just a demo" but this is what they decide to show us as a first impression of the game they don't get any more excuses

[@Supermario0727]

That's all we can do at this point. We've been on edge for the last two years, and this is what 343i shows despite years and years of feedback from caring fans.

[@looinrims]

Why are you? Just accept the reality we have

[@trayjohnson7065]

@Y T there isn't anything wrong with you for having an opinion that differs from others or the majority. I've been a halo fan since halo2, I've witnessed this community become as toxic as it is now. It's so toxic people will call you an idiot or talk down to you if you like something they don't. Lot of these dudes need to grow up and stop expecting things to go their way. Graphically the game looks rough, and thats being generous, but gameplay wise its a solid mix of old and new. Fayvn keeps it real whether I disagree with his points or not and Is entitled to his opinion.

[@reffa2858]

It was an early build. 4 months is plenty to better the game right....RIGHT!?

[@HaloFollower-Ron]

The hexagons NEED. TO. GO. Good video Favyn

[@JayPenrake]

Agreed

[@AetherMomon]

Yeah if a lot of people's first thoughts, when seeing your game world for the first time, is Minecraft. Well, you know you've done something wrong.

[@cravensbergen94]

DOn't you see??? This game is Halo 6, and hexagons are 6 SIDED! IT'S SYMBOLIC!! WOW! Just kidding.

[@Obscurum]

@@cravensbergen94 you made me laugh

[@TheRealLazyEntrepreneur]

@Jaden for me it’s the hexagons on the HUD so intrusive and terrible looking.

[@photosyntheticzee9915]

“Generic” is definitely a good criticism. 343 IMO will never recapture Classic bungie halo. At least H5 was its own thing to some extent.

[@NFS0038]

Halo 5 was an amalgamation of mechanics popularized by other games, namely call of duty and Titanfall. It also introduced us to the wonderful world of microtransactions, which people including favyn haven't even thought about for some reason.

[@SneedRemembrancer]

Watch their gdc they literally say they are taking stuff from destiny

[@Lanay_]

@@NFS0038 so, you want to play games without paying for them, so you pay game pass to play all the games for free, and now they added Micro Transactions you are angry because you want things for free and dont want to give anything besides 1 to 20$ of the game pass

[@quora_treasure_trove]

Halo 5 was generic too.

[@photosyntheticzee9915]

SunbroPrime you’re right they took a lot from titan fall. But most games looked at that much mobility and said no, 343 embraces it. Sprint is generic, “attack fortifications” open world missions are generic. Things like wallrunning, hover, grapple hook have been done before but aren’t generic yet imo.

[@den8905]

This video aged like fine wine

[@Matanumi]

they all have- especially the ones that came out on release

[@raaaaaaaaaam496]

“Halo will die if it follows trends” The prophecy has come true .

[@BatteredWalrus]

Enhanced mobility is not just a 'trend' it's an optimal way to traverse a game world, hence why games like Cyberpunk 2077 include it

[@emanuelemanuel7038]

@@BatteredWalrus right like it's just the next logical step in locomotion. Games started from moving in one direction from left to right. Then you could go left to right OR right to left. After that they introduced movment up and down along the same 2d xy plane. Later we are capable of moving in a 3d word that now introduces omnidirectional movment and but limits any type of altitude change. It's only natural that we can now move up the x axis in a game like never before in generations prior. Ik grapple isnt new but it's the next natural step. Theres only one direction left to explore in games and that's Verticality!

[@bb8328]

343: Adds grappling hook

[@KingofCrimsonKings]

@@BatteredWalrus Some games it works for like Doom Eternal. But for Halo it just make it seem out of place. But open world is definitely a trend and the worst one.

[@badgasaurus4211]

emanuel emanuel I mean grappling hooks were around in Metroid prime 3. This kind of movement is hardly new

[@halo4xgamer]

I don't know why people still defend sprint. It makes the game generic, stale, and... meh. Halo is supposed to be setting standards, not following them. But Halo hasn't done that in over 10 years so... *sighhhhhh*

[@tintin6291]

Because in halo 5 it actally worked. Halo 4 and reach failed with it but in halo 5 it didnt

[@NFS0038]

@@tintin6291 if by worked you mean it made the game worse in every way

[@tintin6291]

@@NFS0038 you made a claim with no evidence.in halo 5 you cant sprint and charge ur shields. In halo 4 you can.thus proving halo 4 is a failure with sprint but halo 5 isnt. Get it? Use examples next time if yiu want to prove a point

[@NFS0038]

@@tintin6291 not my fault if you don't want to watch the videos in the description. You probably didn't watch this video all the way through either

[@ch33zyburrito36]

@Orion343 He says it works in halo 5. Where does he say it belongs in the halo series? Could you print out that quote for me please?

[@ardentparagon159]

I really hope by open world they mean in terms of something like metro exodus or metroid prime, where there is a very linear route but there is a big area you go back and forth through with different encounters on your return trip and you can go off the beaten path if you really want. I'm not really worried by the single player. I'm sure it will be fun. My main worries are the multiplayer and what is and isn't in it.

[@sighrow1313]

It's literally forge world :/

[@badgasaurus4211]

The ‘open world’ will 100% be like metroid prime like you say. Just big areas like the level Halo in CE.

[@ardentparagon159]

Badgasaurus lets hope we’re right

[@JJclash]

You can tell that it’s going to be like that because of the tacmap. Between the land there are giant chasms separating them. Later on when Chief goes up the first lift and you’re looking out over the vista, you can see to the left there is a giant chasm that no one is going to climb. These hexagonal columns are forced boundaries telling you where you can and cannot go.

[@Skylancer727]

That's basically how I think it's working so far. If you look at the map, the world is mostly broken however the area to the north is in one piece. I think that as you go along in the game the world slowly pieces itself together. You can also see in the demo places like the crashed ship which clearly have doors on it to go inside and find stuff. Though as of right now it seems exploration just rewards you with the same as any other game (intel and audio logs as can be seen on the map screen).

[@keyblader2k6]

this is for all of you halo fans who think graphics, art design, music, and marketing are minimal factors when compared to gameplay. marvel vs capcom infinite.

[@CC-xh1ok]

Much respect for Favyn for actually having the stones to be resolved and critical instead of being coy or downright shilling like the rest of the Halo channels. It makes me sick to see one of them trying who has something to say but will be two faced and try to temper anything negative with a positive. To everyone who isn’t blinded by 343’s “magnificence”, it was an extremely disappointing showing, making it clear that they already compromised on the design of both the looks and gameplay. Immediately the guns threw me off, and the enemies and their tech still look nothing like they should. Now we have a grappling hook and open world minor objective-based campaign, ripped out of mind numbing Ubisoft games. It’s nothing new of 343 to copy hot trends of the current games, sadly, when they already been handed a winning formula that would still be much sought after. There’s much more to be said about it. The hype and expectations some more optimistic people have for the game are ridiculous to me. I was needed to be blown away by something truly amazing by the reveal, but it was just a crackle.

[@first001]

C C people are trying to live their deteriorating lives thru this game, so the irrational, cult like, foam in the mouth hype makes sense.

[@Casey_Truman]

Couldn't agree more.

[@memeteam8274]

some people are actually intrigued by the mechanics? you cant attack people for being excited about something your not. like you sound like such a toddler that didnt get his way. i dislike clamber, slide and the new pistol and shotgun designs but im not going to shit my pants panicking like half of this community. I started with halo 2 and i could take or leave sprint, idc ive enjoyed every halos multiplayer except for 4. Going full classic would upset at least 1/3 of the community as well so either way u are too dumb to realize people would shit on it no matter what

[@memeteam8274]

man, getting sick of shitting on both sides at this point. u can have opinions but you all act like extremists. this just reminds me of how the left and right in America are foaming at the mouth trying to kill each other. that country is so full of hate.

[@yracpontiferous4846]

@@memeteam8274 watch out guys, we've got an "enlightened" centrist over here. Bathe in the majesty of his ability to remain apathetic to anything other than people with opinions differing from his own.

[@VictusPrime]

Dude, we're finally getting the Megabloks Halo that we all wanted. What's not to be excited about?!

[@SneedRemembrancer]

This That game looked dope and now we are finally getting it

[@Supermario0727]

That explains why 343i kept showing off Halo Infinite Mega Blocks toys. Never thought, however, that they would literally represent the video game.

[@TheChadPad]

They made this game to sell toys. That's why we got so much revealed through toys sets!!

[@VictusPrime]

@@TheChadPad Yeah, I made that connection myself as well. The game does genuinely look like it's being made to sell toys. It's really quite depressing to think about.

[@ZanzibarWizard]

John Stuart oh my god you’re right

[@colefisher4010]

I never thought of the grappling hook as a possible sandbox destroying mechanic but your comparison to the storm in Halo 3 really nails it. It seems like a mechanic that makes it easy for 343 to take shortcuts in design.

[@NFS0038]

Halo 1 Two Betrayals, you get outside and have to fight through the covenant, down the pyramid's levels, past wraiths to get to a banshee so you can fly up to the outcropping and deactivate one of the power nodes. Then you gotta fly back down to the bridge to continue. Halo Reach Exodus, you meet up with ODSTs known as the Bullfrogs in a segment where you are given a jetpack to hop across broken steel frameworks to the other side of the cityscape. Or I guess you could just use a grapple hook.

[@_-ghostfps-_8651]

It isn't a sandbox destroying anything people just love overreacting The scarab for example moves a lot and most scenarios it just kills you as in halo 3 If we to say infinite has the same thing you still have to avoid getting hit by the moving scarab And you can make the scarab harder by simply making the inside of it more interesting simply

[@itsyurmumm8458]

@@_-ghostfps-_8651 Who dies with the scarabs??? They were pretty easy.

[@_-ghostfps-_8651]

@@itsyurmumm8458 talking about first time encounter and the physics of the scarab itself not how easy it is to take it down

[@tobsmonster2]

@@itsyurmumm8458 no one, this guy is reaching

[@619Patches]

Was really looking forward to this before the gameplay reveal.....343 should've called the game, Halo: Combat Devolved

[@bro_izzy]

ur not funny

[@619Patches]

@@bro_izzy Thanks bud. Have a good day.

[@Sarge7]

This is a trash comment please delete it

[@619Patches]

@@Sarge7 If they fix their game, then I'd be happy to.

[@jademasquerade365]

"Halo: Combat Devolved" sounds about right. So does "Ripoff," and "Scam," and "Waste of Money and Time."

[@phlamingsnail]

Im so glad someone else brought up the redundant weapons, why have the pistol then add a slower pistol, and an auto dmr when they all do the same thing? We weren't shown a dmr or battle rifle but I bet we'll still get them. Theres no reason to have 5 weapons that do the same thing at different speeds if youre not going to bring back dual wielding. Like this pistol is a shitier dmr but you can hold something that strips shields in exchange, but then you can't melee or grenade while doing so.

[@RobloxGamer-ml2hs]

we were shown a BR tho in the shorter trailer

[@yaboiyaboy9980]

What makes halo fun is that each section of the campaign is dynamic and constantly changing, so that you can replay the same level 20 times and get a different experience every time. That's why when you die, it's rarely a set formula to retrace your steps and get back to where you were, because you never know with certainty what the AI is going to do. Sometimes it could be similar to what they did last time, or maybe this time the brute decides to throw a plasma nade into the hallway that you camp in. Maybe these time your marines get blown up by a fuel rod cannon and your left fighting everyone off by yourself. Maybe this time you decide to kill that grunt quickly and give the fuel rod cannon to a marine. What they need to do is just improve on that. Give the friendly npc's and marine's more animations, improve the AI, have more destructable/interactive environments, and just continue to expand the possibilities of what could happen in a given level. Forget gimmicks, just improve the sandbox.

[@gub4941]

That’s what halo should have done but then we got armor abilities, sprint, spartan abilities, and now the stupid grappling hook

[@antimatter175]

They arent “new weapons” they are just combining and replacing all of the old ones. 343 calls this a return to form... so y tf did they replace the shotgun and magnum. (If u didnt know, the classic shotgun and magnum are confirmed to not be in infinite)

[@thesponge836]

That shotgun was so weak, it didn't even kill a grunt at close range 8:25. The whole reason the shotgun is fun is because it's supposed to be a slow and powerful weapon, the Halo Infinite shotgun looks both slow and weak.

[@xproflipscarab]

Sauce ?

[@BestSSBBPlayer]

When it comes to the graphics, they took one step forward and two generations back.

[@wrathagar]

343 is living up to their name, 3 steps forward, 43 back

[@peanutgallery4]

@@wrathagar Not funny didn't laugh

[@nickthepick7081]

The build was from January dude! Chill out

[@nickthepick7081]

Ummer Farooq I won’t pretend I know what you said

[@arathcastanos]

@@nickthepick7081 from January of this year??? bruh there are games from last year that look better.

[@Ghanemq8]

3:10 You can probably stick some legos on that brute's armor lmao

[@thearizonaranger4079]

Lmfao

[@Caseylawton]

Lol I know right? I hate it so much

[@justiron2999]

I mean we did get craig after all lol.

[@veronicagutierrezpatlan7697]

Because the brutes have to be bulky dummas

[@Chadowgon5]

The worst part was the spanish guy expressions and the extremely fake ass bad guy speech at the end 😂😂

[@whisperedflame6952]

You know what I always did when I wanted to move faster in Halo’s campaign? Or to get to power weapons first in Halos 1-3? I jumped forward continuously. I don’t know if it truly increased my speed, but it sure felt like it. As such, why do I need to sprint in an open world like Infinite’s to get around, when it’s nonexistence didn’t bother me in the older games?

[@tiger_lord305]

I would’ve preferred an addition of thrusters doing a slight forward boost with base movement speed like H2A. This would be a fine addition to what they did in the Mythic Arena playlist and wouldn’t render vehicles useless. I personally don’t think thrusters break Halo’s sandbox, as demonstrated in that, if done correctly.

[@warthogvanguard7292]

When you crushed that argument about how it’s apparently our fault “oh you said you wanted the classic art style and now you got it”, that argument fails to grasp even the slightest depth of what art style and graphical improvement mean that it just sounds people were clawing at the barrel trying to find something witty or clever to say to devalue the arguments against halo infinite. It is not as simple as they describe (if you can even call it describing?) and I’m glad you debunked that, because stupid surface headed statements will never help over civilly understanding debates.

[@potatopeeler2919]

Yeah that argument is like asking for a cheeseburger but getting two buns with cheese instead like come on, you’re not boo boo the fool you know what the f*ck we meant -_-

[@UNSCcaptin]

If halo infinite has proper "equipment" then we should have seen a brute dropping a shield or a Power Drain or something but I'm doubting that will be part of their "sandbox".

[@TMek42]

looked like proper halo 3-like equipment to me, just the enemies not dropping it, but the demo looked like it was meant to be a hands-on demo so I would imagine they stripped some stuff away.

[@TheChadPad]

@@TMek42 ​ It did to me too, but considering that it's so op, like you can just shoot through it and hide like a bitch, I have to agree with Favyn. That doesn't sound very fun Edit: I've since learned that if you shoot the wall, that section disappears and it no longer protects you. Still, kinda op, but not near as bad as I thought!

[@looinrims]

These aren’t equipment These are one time use armor abilities

[@SikhiArt]

@@looinrims In Halo this is called equipment. It's not Diablo loot.

[@looinrims]

Bhagat Singh - Sikhi Art bruh he went over what equipment is, this is more along the lines of armor abilities

[@IronicIrony.]

I've not played 1 great halo game since bungie. Bungie made greatness, 343 makes meh games. It's depressing

[@EchoLocoCJ]

I still see loads of people, especially on Reddit, who will defend 343 with their lives but they're the audience that doesn't like Halo for what made it unique. They like it for elements of other games brought in. They don't care about the identity of Halo. Infinite is going to need to be _really_ good to bring the franchise back to its former glory.

[@williamkane880]

Not only did it look bad, It looked boring. It's what I've seen before with Halo 1-3 (I stopped after 3). That was impressive back then but Halo needs a serious update. I've even seen people defend Infinite's cartoonish visuals, and pretend as if Halo CE and Halo 2 weren't some of the best looking games their generation. The leap of graphical fidelity from Halo CE to Halo 2 was incredible. Halo Infinite trees are lifeless, the grass is wooden, there is no sense of movement in the world. The environments are inconsequential. Mud doesn't affect the way the Warthog moved and there were no tracks when the Warthog passed through. The brutes look cartoonish when they were once intimidating and had cool armor. When Chief hits an enemy with his gun the face registers as nothing happened which led to a meme. WTF happened? There is no sense that this is a believable world. And that's what made Halo unique. The characters, the environment, the enemies all looked and felt believable. More and more that believability has been stripped away starting with Halo 4. I'm not saying Halo is dead but Halo Infinite, what they thought was good enough to show thinking it would get anyone hyped is the beginning of the end.

[@katie6666]

@A mixed sandnigga halo infinite hasnt come out yet either so I'd recommend to stop simping for it

[@Gbag34]

I agreed with this entire video a year ago, but as Fav said, I wanted to be proven wrong and I honestly don’t believe I was.

[@MysteriousStranger95]

This aged like wine

[@richiewitkowski7142]

All those dislikes and he was right

[@kyotanaka920]

The most concerning part about Halo's future is the fact that they're trying to make it into a 10-year platform... The last game that decided to pull that shit was Anthem, and we all know how well that went. Then it happened with a game before that one with Destiny. It took a few years for Destiny 1 to be redeemed, and it took Bungie divorcing Activision for Destiny 2 to recover morally. Now 343 wants to follow that same path on Halo. The launch will suck and God knows when we will get a proper conclusion of that game. The only positive from this would be that we will get more multiplayer maps after launch, and that's really it. Single player's gonna suck, multiplayer MIGHT be worth it, but its going to have to work hard to attract people to Infinite instead of the MCC. Making Halo copy CoD/Destiny is a mistake, because if they wanted CoD/Destiny then they wouldn't play Halo in the first place. I hope that at least in the gameplay Halo will have it's own identity and not someone else's, but the trailer suggests they learned nothing from Halo 5 and doubled down on the non-Halo gameplay elements. Hell, they'd probably use the same art style in 4 and 5 if it weren't for how well received Halo Wars 2 was.

[@ki11aqueen5]

Not a lot of people are talking about this either.

[@InJeffable]

That's exactly what I'm afraid of: that Halo Infinite is going to be 343's Destiny. I've played both Destiny games and I didn't like either one. The combat was fine, but there was no story to speak of. And that generic villain reveal tells me that the same might be true with Halo Infinite. I don't want some generic bad guy who wants to fight Master Chief because he's bored. I want the conclusion to the Master Chief/Cortana story arc that was started in Halo 4.

[@north7764]

This is my biggest concern as well.

[@jawu9221]

They said campaign will be complete sooooooo

[@kastaway-mtx]

Microsoft is doing games as a service now. You need to pay them monthly for game pass, all while them stuffing microtransactions into the games. And this 10 year Halo plan? Yeah right, that's not happening when the game already looks dated. And what about the Xbox One? Are they gonna support that version for 10 years? YEAH RIGHT!!

[@TarsonTalon]

Yeah, the grapple hook is gonna ruin so many scenarios. Besides the Scarab, think how rare air vehicles are gonna have to be, because you can just board them with a grapple hook.

[@Marinesrock07]

Yeah I agree, this game looks like it's gameplay is going to be generic, boring, and trash...just like Halo 5 was a completely forgettable experience that I've maybe played through 3-5 times. Compared to the probably 30+ times I've played through Halo 1-3, heck I've even played through Halo 4 probably at least 10-15 times. Half the time I forget Halo 5 even exists and the majority of the missions in the campaign. I could just about play through every Halo 2 level blindfolded because I've played it that much. This?! This looks like the complete opposite of INFINITE levels of fun, open world games are fun yes, but they get repetitive and old fast. Respawning enemies in previously cleared out areas and there are even times when what you do in the world has little to no effect on the overall game world. I agree with you, Infinite is very underwhelming and generic. I'm glad to have more Halo, but when it's not fun it just leaves me feeling sad because the passion that Bungie put into their games is no longer present, and what could've been, will never be. 343 has let me down so many times, they can remaster games, but when it comes to making them they have no passion, no heart, and no desire to truly make an experience longtime fans would enjoy. Instead they go for some basic arcadey experience that caters to children. I mean how can this game be rated T?! That's what ruined any hope of this being a good, gritty, classically gore-filled Halo game. Halo isn't Halo anymore.

[@tintin6291]

Halo 5 was good. Story wasn't

[@ninjazombie1396]

@@tintin6291 that opinion has been debated to death. As a standalone game? Sure, not bad. As a halo game? It's not worthy to wipe my ass with

[@brianj7478]

@@ninjazombie1396 story wise was horrible. The multiplayer was good

[@nicholasalder2873]

Wow. I wish I saw this before I bought the campaign. P.S. I never had a Grunt thrown at me throughout the entire campaign.

[@dylantrevorlinville1340]

"But in Lore Spartans are fast they should be able to Sprint!" They are also strong with quick reflexes. They should be able to shoot while moving fast too. Oh wait. They can. Watch Halo Legends The Package and around the end you'll see that. It's not rocket science. Just adjust the base movement speed and jump height by 10-20 percent higher.

[@Moustard434]

That scene was fire

[@12GaugeEngage]

yeah i hate that argument they claim hes a super soldier "and he should sprint because it would make sense" yet they don't understand what made people play halo

[@phlemtaco6623]

I always hated sprint in halo but come on guys this is an open world game.

[@dylantrevorlinville1340]

@Philip Manousakis I'm just saying they use lore to defend enhanced mobility 😂 .

[@dylantrevorlinville1340]

@@phlemtaco6623 hence the last part of my original comment just adjust the base movement speed and jump height 😑

[@davycannonhound9005]

Coming back to this video, its scary how right this was. It was a true prediction.

[@Gr1fter001]

I deeply hoped that the success of DOOM 2016 and DOOM Eternal would prove to 343 and Microsoft that the "outdated" and "Simple" game design philosophies can be insanely successful in the modern age, those are the games I hoped 343 would be paying close attention to, as they properly innovate on the formula that the original DOOM games had, and those games are some of the most fun I've had in a FPS in a long time. But it seems like they are still too scared to commit to a complete overhaul of their gameplay mechanics to something more simple. But I still hope it will be a fun game that FEELS like Halo, which the art style and music show promise, and it has a well-written story. That's all I want - just a good Halo game.

[@NFS0038]

Your wish has been granted- 343 looked at Doom Eternal reveal and said "let's copy their grapple hook, everybody seemed to like that"

[@Gr1fter001]

@@NFS0038 seems like they learned something...but didn't get the whole message.

[@TheRealLazyEntrepreneur]

@@NFS0038 Doom has it attached to a single weapon. Big difference to the design.

[@kevinmich2504]

1k dislikes from all the 343 loyalists

[@Moustard434]

I swear the people in the comment section aint watching the damn video.

[@stricklandjeffrey80]

Yes! They are here to defend the Game to justify their preorders

[@chrisrodriguez388]

JeffPrime so because others like the game they shouldn’t defend the game? Go back to your corner, child. 😂

[@stricklandjeffrey80]

@@chrisrodriguez388 whenever I see people say old Halo is trash I don't feel the need to post defenses for it, especially on a video for people who dislike it :)

[@porcin3proph3t4]

it doesnt help that he sometimes takes things so personally. The fact he states others wants piss him off is enough to shut off his opinion from others

[@stricklandjeffrey80]

@@porcin3proph3t4 lol you contradict yourself, you upset that Favyn "others wants piss him off" yet you and many others are mad people like me dont share your Hype. (What in the video did you see was closed minded on other opinions?)

[@tributesandamvs]

I feel like the one reason everyone is acting like this is because they were starved of news and hyped the game up to a point that can never realistically reached.

[@PcGamingEnjoyer]

Halo Tangent exactly

[@TheShapingSickness]

Removing sprint, how unrealistic is that?

[@PcGamingEnjoyer]

Isaac Campos The game wouldn’t be as fun without sprint.

[@melvinhogberg]

@@TheShapingSickness Sprint in singleplayer is not a problem, Only in multiplayer

[@PANCAKEMINEZZ]

@@PcGamingEnjoyer Fun is subjective, but I've heard far more arguments in favor of more interesting and fun gameplay designs for getting around a large, open map (like man cannons, vehicles, jetpacks, etc.) Than just clicking the go fast button that fundamentally changes the feel of how Halo plays.

[@greendusk93]

I hope the future of halo isn’t just: Halo Infinite DLC :/

[@Stefix666]

If the game underperforms or the player base declines too fast, I'm sure they will give up on that plan and microsoft will want a new game

[@canadianoutlaw6422]

oh it is 10 years of paid content

[@megaman37456]

@Inigo Arroyo I dunno, I've heard rumors swirling that 343 is reconsidering the live service approach entirely. However I've only heard rumors so take with an ocean of salt.

[@naderzein2435]

Just don't buy it or play it then. If we don't like where Halo is going we shouldn't support it with our dollars.

[@fishwishpishpish9165]

This^^

[@blub7205]

Pls dont touch my Craig ;-) Xbox fans when ps5 and xsx specs were revealed: -We have more teraflops -Ps5 has fake ray tracing -SSD is useless Xbox fans after seeing Halo Infinite gameplay: -Graphics don't matter -Gameplay is the most important -Ps5 games will only be 30fps

[@V2ULTRAKill]

I mean Im a pc gamer and Visuals DON'T matter, i frankly would rather play a game that looks like doom 2 but plays beautifully than the most beautiful game ever playing like assassins creed origins

[@EchoLocoCJ]

I'm praying that one of the spin offs they're making is for the classic fans

[@Th3_L30n]

To this day, I honestly believe 343i STILL doesn't understand how to improve on old classic core gameplay. I tought A LOT about that grapple hook after they showed that gameplay, and I still wonder how does a 7 ft tall green slab of a titan that weights almost half a ton manages to pull himself around with a tiny small grapple hook? Even better, how does he manages to pull himself mid-air to enemies that are about his same weight or less without even making them stumble or fall on their knees?. I think the changes they should make in order to have this be a natural evolution to the classic Halo gameplay should be (All of these are suggested with campaign in mind, not multiplayer) -Get rid of Sprint, Clamber, Hover and Smart Scope altogether -Keep the dash, but turn Spartan Charge into a Dash Charge that can only be triggered if the player melees mid-foward dash (It can only be done foward, not backwards or to the sides). Additionally, the player can only dash 2 consecutive times before a couple of seconds are neede for the next dash (Probably 3 or 5 seconds) -Add a double jump that is triggered by simply tapping the jump button mid-air (Something they were actually going to put in Halo 5, but decided to cut it in order to have Clamber and Hover since it "looked pretty" and the geometry of the maps was already built) -Keep Ground Pound, but it can only be done in a fast straigth vertical line to the ground beneath the player. The damage is directly related to how much distance there is between the player and the ground beneath him. It can also detonate grenades and can be evaded by Elites and other enemies (However it keeps the camera on the player, in order to avoid transitioning cameras, and it creates a risk/reward scenario based on how high the jump might be, helped by the double jump). It is activated by simply holding the dash button in mid air for a few seconds (That way, it avoids triggering the ground pound by accident when the player only wants to dash in a particular direction) -Melee assasinations instantly recharge shields and trigger a soft overshield (About 1.5x shields) that last a couple of seconds. The overshield effect is only triggered if the player has normal shields (This to avoid turning the game into an assasination chaining festival). -Multiple weapon changes to expand on the shooting aspect: 1)Allow dual wielding of specific weapons like in the past. Pistols, Needlers and small arms are a great candidate. 2) Create multiple melee damage tables for each weapon class. Pistols and small arms have base melee damage capable of killing a Grunt and unshielded low rank Elite or Brute. Since dual wielding is back, performing a melee strike now triggers a double melee animation that does the same damage as a heavy weapon/bladed weapon. The Energy Sword and the Gravity Hammers being at the top of the melee damage chart due to their nature as melee-based weapons. As an extra bonus, each now has it's own custom assasination animations that alternate between the Chief using his raw strenght and technique, and said animations with the wielded weapon. (Eliminating this way the need for a "magic knife") 3) DO NOT ALLOW rapid firing guns to plague the game. If the UNSC has an AR, it should be the only human automatic 2 handed weapon. Same for Covie guns 4) Get rid of the Forerunner guns from Halo 4 and 5. More laser based weaponry like the Sentinel Beam that forces creative uses rather than just a common weapon with shinny metals and Neon. Maybe a Sentinel Beam, Boltshot (Since it could be a precursor of the plasma pistol, and it primary fire could be tweaked to do a small amount of DPS) and some sort Heavy Weapon that vaporizes enemies or attacks vehicles (Not the Incinerator that is basically an modded rocket launcher) would be enough, since the "sandbox" already has enough with the Covies and the UNSC. 5)Equipment share slots with grenades, having the player use the switch grenade button more frequently. And thats it. I think that gives a very good template to what could be a natural evolution of the classic core gameplay loop of the Golden Triangle.

[@wet_weather_imp]

To me, Infinite tells me that 343 have not learned their lesson as it looks to be Halo 5 with a classic artstyle but with even more unnecessary abilities and weapons

[@looinrims]

You think the lying scumbags at 343 would ‘learn lessons’ lol, these are the people who copy pasted call of duty as their first full product

[@wet_weather_imp]

The Looinrims Do you feel better now?

[@E-damnn]

Agreed, It’s not even the classic art style. Chief is the only thing in the game that looks good imo everything else looks bad, the environment, the brutes, the phantom, the pop ins, the gameplay, the warthog, weapons, etc. I think this game will be better than halo 5, but goddamn this is so disappointing.

[@extremelyboredtatsumaki.495]

Blue Tooth It’s a mix of new and old art styles. The Phantom is a completely new model of phantom; it’s not the same phantom from early games, it’s literally a new type.

[@saintsplays9214]

"Looks like Halo 5" Did you watch the reveal?

[@silversmoke8398]

Legit can't get better than Favyn's commentary. This dude has made me think of game design in a completely new way.

[@alondite215]

The wrong way. He literally misused the concept of "mechanic," the single most fundamental aspect of game design, in the first five minutes of this video. Someone like Richard Terrell of Critical-Gaming would absolutely BURY him; his theories are the most objectively well-reasoned and air-tight of any ever published. He's even developed and published an entire glossary of game design language.

[@memeteam8274]

if your opinion can be swayed by a 24 minute video then your opinion was not strong enough to begin with. im on the fence about everything but holy fuck this community is full of babies

[@BLAM5980]

AlonditeMX k

[@NFS0038]

@@memeteam8274 What a braindead opinion. Why watch an opinion piece and then comment if not to learn something? Just go back to Halo 5 and mindlessly consume more req packs.

[@n4ko]

i agree man, its not that easy to have such an insight on this things, i dont have it and ive watch a lot of people comments on video games and just be plain about it, i really like this channel

[@khanman8113]

When you try to please everyone, you please no one. I just want a return to the old halos. This seems to be closer to the classics than 4 and 5, but that's not saying much.

[@deriznohappehquite]

This is just the middle ground between Halo 4 and 5.

[@tintin6291]

Halo 5 is closer to classic actually because they made the abilities work together. This is just sprint slide and clamber which is more like other games rather than more like classic

[@bloodangel7731]

Then why not just go back to playing the originals? Why complain about the new games when you can just ignore them lol

[@khanman8113]

Blood Angel why complain about the new Star Wars movies when you can go back and watch the old ones. Why complain about the new president when you can re watch speeches from the old ones. This line of thinking doesn’t hold water

[@bloodangel7731]

@@khanman8113 well i do sincerely hope that none of your voices get heard. You are all a bunch of crybabies.

[@Xecnalxes]

Halo: The Rise of Craig.

[@rabidsloth4671]

I woke up on the 23rd of July To get some brand new Halo in My Eyes. But OH, to my surprise THE Graphics were old The Graphics were whack Pop in Pop Out textures I WANT THE CLASSIC HALO BACK The gameplay looked dull and even the stream was laggy. I rewatched it again in full res and it wasn't even shabby. 343 please leave this place Your nothing more than a disgrace Microsoft you're no better either Halo would look better if developed by beavers. Why did you guys ruin my favorite game, I gave you a chance. Am I the one to Blame Fuck 343 and micropoop.

[@Deagnetic]

I can't wait to do "Missions" like Arbiter Mission 07: Destroy 4 AA Guns and 10 Brutes in the Sandbox!

[@AbuHajarAlBugatti]

"Get to Point X and bring Y back to Point X or to new Point Z"

[@patrick_grundy]

@@AbuHajarAlBugatti I keep looking at videos like this and I'm now literally anti-hyped. It's literally gonna be a ubisoft game. Worst part is, both the campaign and multiplayer seem like they're gonna be bad, and I'm not sure which one is gonna be worse or which one I want to be worse.

[@AbuHajarAlBugatti]

@@patrick_grundy Well Basically every Ubisoft game is just a copy of each other. Ghost recon, the division, assassins creed, they are literally the same. Destiny 2 and Ghost Tsushima couldve been Ubisoft games aswell in my oppinion. They all got Todd Howards as managers who look at it and think "It just works!" Modern big company gaming is garbage mostly. The best games I find are those not hyped up by clickneedy idiots

[@thecriminalrob3428]

Here to see Favyn react to sprint lol

[@Azakadune]

Throwing a tantrum as usual...

[@WonderMePartyStrip]

@@Azakadune not an argument

[@Azakadune]

WonderMePartyStrip ok..?

[@EchoLocoCJ]

@@Azakadune *offering criticism

[@soundclock2939]

He sounded so angry when bringing up the grapple shot. "We'll talk about that thing in a second"

[@mitchie2267]

This is what happens when you milk something for too long.

[@AbuHajarAlBugatti]

I wouldve like a peoper halo wars 3 designed for PC

[@Tapetenscnueffler]

I hate the fact the spike grenades look like a bottle of orange juice thrown against a wall. I mean: where are the SPIKES in the SPIKEgrenades? And all the plasma effects look so off like the way expolosions are displayed far behind in the background.

[@TheCrazeturk]

Effects work have always been bad in 343 Halo games for the most part. Perfect example is the phantom explosion in halo 3 vs a phantom explosion in later Halo games.

[@degayify]

343 fans don't care, if it has moving colors and the Halo brand then it's all the same to them

[@NFS0038]

They're the type of people to play it for a few weeks and move on to the next game. Nothing wrong with that, I do that for most of the games I play. But Halo was different, it dominated the charts for years after each iteration came out. It created that serious community of people that loved Halo. 343's games are just shallow, and their "fans" match that.

[@degayify]

@@NFS0038 A few days, not a few weeks. Then the population is dead before launch week ends and they go online to just say the opposite of everyone else's opinion

[@arandominternetuser455]

"Dominated the charts" So you mean halo 3 multiplayer right?

[@CP-uw4ts]

SunbroPrime I played halo 5 for a year, nice try. I just have more games to play so I can’t play it forever.

[@tintin6291]

Deadass.

[@manjirum]

Favyn, can we get an update on your opinion since theres been some new news?

[@FreakZado]

This guy really opened my eyes lol I’m worried about this game lol

[@kanden27]

It’s because they keep jumping around on an inconsistent story. Now this is the second time they claim to rework the story. For Halo 3 it was the end of a trilogy. The Covenant and Flood we’re heading to earth. Our back is against the wall. Now the banished are relevant to the mainline series only after Halo Wars 2? We’re told they were impactful to the Covenant in the Isabelle cutscene. Nothing more than that. In the trilogy trailers the Covenant were seen as overwhelming. The banished in this trailer look to be just a rag tag group of mercenaries.

[@ninjazombie1396]

@Dylan Woods yeah only because we were told that in a 1 minute scene

[@punchline1279]

I'm still hyped I understand all the criticisms and stuff but I'm still really excited for this game

[@720babylon]

This game is supposed to last to 2030 and it's held back by 2013 console...just let that sink in

[@darthmisogyny3828]

And they killed off the 1X but kept the X1 WTF

[@Dankmanuel]

How is the X1 holding back halo infinite? X1 - XSX are all just PCs with a specialized version of windows, just with different hardware. Just like every other PC out there. All they have to do is turn some settings down on the older ones and make sure the games can differentiate between them. Not that hard a concept.

[@720babylon]

@@Dankmanuel Maybe lighting,texture quality, 3d models can be improved over the X1, but the scale of the game in general will be held back by the X1, unless mission size and number of npc on display will be different in each consoles. Another thing that can be held is the AI, considering the much powerful cpu of XSX, but once again, unless they AI runs differently in X1 and XSX,,,,the same thing for physics, render scale, and so many things...I mean judging by what we've seen so far,and what xbox one can deliver, this game seems to be only improving in raw pixel count and texture quality

[@Dankmanuel]

@@720babylon Ah I can see where you're coming from there. They may have some way that they can scale these things back for the older consoles that we aren't aware of yet. Or perhaps the Slipspace Engine is capable of handling much more complex AI behaviors in such a way that the hardware used isn't as much of a factor as it would be for other games. Idk, man technology is getting crazier and crazier year by year. 343 may have some tricks up their sleeves, we'll just have to wait and see.

[@720babylon]

@@Dankmanuel I guess we will wait and see what the slipspace engine can or can't do,but I doubt it will do what you've mentioned regardless of the hardware,,,,,,,I mean once you put the lowest common denominator in the equation, there will be be a lot of sacrifices,,,like i said the only improvement we will see, is visuals, pixel count and frame rate,,,,and that's not much of next gen if you ask me

[@joemorton9200]

Halo 3 was my halo peak. To be honest, I enjoyed halo 4’s story and at the time was and still am blown away by the graffics, the cutscenes were so impressive. Especially the Halsey cutscene and the scene with master chief looking at earth from infinity. But halo 3 in my opinion can’t be trumped

[@djbdyckfbsgsg9176]

halo 3 campaign is best, and reach multiplayer is best imo

[@JCULLI]

So true

[@InfectiousViper]

@@djbdyckfbsgsg9176 I hear that a lot and I disagree. The campaigns of Halo are all up to personal taste, I personally liked Halo 2's campaign the most, but in terms of multiplayer, Halo 3's multiplayer is the best. All of Bungie's Halos are amazing, but I feel like people forget that Reach introduced sprint and had the worst multiplayer maps in the Bungie franchise because the maps were designed around having the armour abilities like sprint and the jetpack. Halo 3 on the other hand, took the great gameplay pioneered from Halo 2's multiplayer and perfected it. Just to prove my point further, how many good Halo Reach maps can you name without looking the maps up? Now how many can you name from Halo 3 without looking the maps up?

[@Kapono5150]

Basically, Microsoft just helped Sony sell a lot more PlayStation's.... Got it !

[@supermagnumable]

lmaoooo

[@firestorm4477]

This 10 year plan seems like they are going the destiny route when it comes to content. If they try to nickel and dime people for garbage additions like destiny its going to be really bad for the future of Halo.

[@machoalright]

That is exactly what is gonna happen to halo. another destiny game. Well the older games felt already destiny.. so that is no wonder since its made by them. So... if you are a halo fan and halo feels like destiny, you should like it presume.

[@lukecarroll4080]

I really like destiny, i have been playing it a lot and i have bought all the dlc but i agree if halo is marketed like destiny people wont like it

[@machoalright]

@@lukecarroll4080 I have not said that, i said that it looks and feels like destiny.. and that its also not strange since the makers of halo are also the makers of destiny. so if you like destiny, you prolly for sure like halo or visa versa.

[@lukecarroll4080]

@@machoalright i was saying that the destiny marketing structure isnt for everyone

[@machoalright]

@@lukecarroll4080 well that is an open door. That kinda goes for everything though.

[@kaptainkoffee9074]

I don't like that this game presents itself aesthetically like Genshin Impact and plays at times like a mobile game trailer. It doesn't feel like Halo anymore and I don't think I care anymore. Halo for me ended on a somber note with Halo 3. On the one hand we have the perfect ending with Reach as Bungies final note in the story tying everything together story wise and the gameplay was a bit different but still followed the core values that make Halo what it is. On the other hand we have Halo 4, the deviator in this respect but I still enjoyed the multiplayer for it's ttk and some fun nostalgic memories I have from playing with friends online. The aesthetic, gameplay, and overall tone of Halo started faltering at this point. It became in a visual sense generic Sci-fi instead of the iconic balance between realism and science fiction that we appreciated at the start of Halo 1 to the end cap of Reach. It's a futuristic setting but it never felt like it was power rangers or Star Wars. Everything felt like it could reasonably exist in the real world. Most of the issues that are now in Halo can't be taken out because we have already committed to the path itself. But I'm content with my old Halo's and some light modding for more lore accurate gameplay in Campaign. I'm content with letting Halo be what is was for me when I was a kid. A special memory in the back of my mind that I get to visit in my steam library from time to time. Halo is over.

[@G1Arcee]

You should repost this in one of the more popular comments do it doesn’t get buried. Most people comment in here and they get buried by other comments since people don’t check enough to upvote the good ones to the point of showing up in the top comments section. But responses to existing top comments are lesser meaning they are viewed more : ) that’s what I do anyway

[@G1Arcee]

On a side note, I agree b6 the way. 343 care more about money and e sports than the game now.

[@adamscheu4218]

While I think this game looks fun I definitely see what you think about this game being a bad middle ground between the two styles of games. The reason I’m not as worried about the middle ground style of gameplay is because that’s sort of what Halo reach was and it by no means was my favorite halo game but it was still pretty fun to me.

[@NFS0038]

If this game is even a quarter of the way as good as reach I'd be content that it's on the right track, but I severely doubt it will be good. 343 just doesn't have the design philosophy of Halo down that you need to make a real Halo game. This video is an excellent exemplar of just how much 343 is lacking. Despite clearly putting effort into returning to what Halo should be by changing the art style and referencing sandbox design elements, 343 is still stuck in the middle where they can't get away from gameplay mechanics that are now generic throughout the industry. In my own harsher opinion, I believe 343 is still hell bent on plagiarizing games. Halo 4 was trying to be cod, Halo 5 was trying to be Titanfall, and now Halo infinite for all its song and dance about returning to roots still manages to steal the grapple hook from Doom Eternal. It even functions the same way, it primarily pulls you to enemies. It's just shameful and so transparent that they copy what's popular in an effort to capitalize on that popularity, but it's not been paying off because Halo lost what made it special and is now no longer the top dog of shooters. It's just another generic one among the rest.

[@romanf.9600]

@@NFS0038 You speak only in terms of gameplay which is only one piece of the puzzle. 343 looks like they learned their lesson from the shitty writing that was in halo 5 (halo 4 story was good btw, aged pretty well) Im not against these mechanics either. I like old school feel hands down but I'm not too opposed to sprint plus its open world so I feel we could use all the mobility we could get. I have NEVER played a halo game for gameplay I always played halo for the story and I think this will be 343's best story yet

[@samuraiedge9761]

Roman Flores Nothing about the writing screams Halo to me. Master Chief having a bond with an overly emotional marine? A cliché vilain brute who is glad to now have a worthy opponent? Seems like they want to have an “engaging emotional” story when Halo should be an epic military story.

[@romanf.9600]

@@samuraiedge9761 ah yes because halo reach and odst weren't emotional stories, because cortanta dying wasn't emotional to chief, because captain keys and his daughter dying trying to live up to her father's legacy weren't emotional, saying halo is an epic war story is just scratching the surface of it. I had another guy make the argument that halo was horror. On the surface it may be those things but once you get deeper into lore you see it's much different

[@IIRAZZERII10]

I watched the whole video, I knew you were going to be negative but I’m still super excited by what I saw! I’m still buying and playing it day one

[@RantRadio]

If this game isn't rated Mature, then Halo is finished.. I remember when you could unload the clip of an AR and purple, blue blood sprayed all over the walls. I wanted a more Action Packed demo reveal seen as we've waited So long for Any form of news since the not so great teasers. There Better be marines to fight alongside and maybe even some Sword of Sanghelios Elites.. And if The Flood don't make an appearance... They failed. I'm the same opinion as yourself too: I don't care too much about graphics, I just want awesome gameplay and rich story, what Halo is Known for. I've watched KZbinrs play it for the first time and Always comment on how Rich the story is for FPS game. Also...... Am I the Only one who wants to be able to walk right next to the Halo Rings edge??

[@kermitthegod8291]

I regret to inform you that it is T for teen 😭😭

[@RantRadio]

@@kermitthegod8291 ite... I'm out 🚶

[@kermitthegod8291]

Hey bud Hmm except Halo 5 it was T

[@fearmasterm.m.z7139]

M in 2010 blood violence (reach) T in 2020 blood violence Seriously look past the letter and look at why it's rated as such

[@Centipede_Solaire]

Not to be cynical but I don’t think Halo will ever come back. 343 has killed all things Halo. Halo makes me cringe now, most of all with how plastic everything has looked since Halo 4. This trailer or whatever it’s called I think tapped into the nostalgia many have for the second level in CE. Once that feeling fades, I think more and more people will lose their hype.

[@TheRealLazyEntrepreneur]

343i game look the way they do because for whatever they won’t use a technique called bump mapping,Bungie does it.Thats why all their games have good detail,even in the subtle things.

[@danielbadger2641]

@@TheRealLazyEntrepreneur any idea why 343 refuses to do this? The graffics are awful.

[@TheRealLazyEntrepreneur]

@@danielbadger2641 The backlash has forced them to do this. Sperasoft and other contractors are being brought in to use some of the latest techniques as well. Halo Infinite’s final graphics will look very good now.

[@infrared7759]

I find it so annoying how a lot of big Halo youtubers will make videos hyping up this game saying things like "I got invited out to 343 and got showed stuff." The overly friendly relationship many of them have created with 343 blinds them to a lot of issues. Of course everything will look great when you're talking to the artists on the front lines so to speak, but the real decisions are being make by old guys in suits who have probably never played a video game in their life. It's all a smoke screen, a distraction.

[@aiden4917]

They are being bribed through access like any other gane jerno.

[@Evan-or6ip]

No one seems to be talking about the fact that 343 said there will be FLIGHTS AFTER LAUNCH FOR FUTURE UPDATES. MEANING 5 YEARS OF DEVELOPMENT WAS NOT ENOUGH AND THE GAME MIGHT LAUNCH UNFINISHED

[@ShreddedNerd]

Halo Infinite seems to an extent to almost be a mish mash of many different conflicting styles driven by market pressure. I feel like the art style was influence to some degree by child friendly games like fortnite. I hope the equipment upgrades can be swapped out and are limited in some way, for example: A metroid type game where you have to equip a certain upgrade to access a new area (which means swapping out the grapple hook).

[@badgasaurus4211]

I felt they did that with Halo 5 (that game was really kiddy) but they’ve added blood back so it is a bit of a half way house

[@Skylancer727]

I feel this game is suffering from Microsoft wanting to steal back the casual audience which totally weakens the game as a whole to why Halo was fun in the first place.

[@SneedRemembrancer]

I’ve noticed this horrid trend with AAA games where they just copy other trending elements from other AAA games and try and Frankenstein them together I mean halo 5 armour abilities are just straight up copied from destiny just look at 343’s gdc before halo 5 came out.