Fear and Hunger: Doppelgangers Explained

[@slysamuel5902]

Imagine how shocking it would be to recruit a party member, then find what you think is their doppelgänger, fight it, then realise the one you’re fighting is the one with the normal face meaning your party member is the fake one

[@Dabestbirb_]

That would actually be a very good gameplay opportunity for the game dev. Maybe step above Maso, Maso+ mode, introducing doppelgänger and more in party/combat gameplay

[@airtempest8945]

I just want to be able to recruit both to get the party dialogue because that would be trippy and interesting.

[@DualEdgest]

Could the doppelgangers be an explanation as to why the festival isn't more widely known? The doppelgangers slide into the lives of everyone involved as one final trick from Rher.

[@LamesAMA]

It's likely not a trick from Rher, Rancid attributes the Dopplegangers to some unnamed force trying to fix things in the universe that are 'broken' because of the Termina festival, missing contestants being one of them.

[@ar3k417]

Yes but not from Rher and not for that reason, Doppelgängers with our current understanding are the creation of logic in a primitive state and their job is to tale the place of the dead people as a way to cure the world, they are weird and scary and all that only because logic was far from being completed when they were made and when logic is completed the plan is likely scrapped because humanity got “saved” in a whole other way

[@ogeday6069]

​@@LamesAMAwhaaaat!?

[@TheActualMrLink]

That’s…horrific!

[@sisyphus_is_spooky6881]

Another reason for why Levi's doppelganger rushes towards and fights the player immediately is because it's mimicing a soldier. Killing something on sight is what it thinks it's meant to do. Somewhat similar to Olivia's, it knows Levi is a soldier (I assume because of his uniform and other contestants calling him such), but doesn't exactly understand the concept. As for Tanaka, well the poor guy does have the habit of getting into a lot of fights, so his doppelganger just thinks that's what Tanaka does. Makes me think, if the real Tanaka dies and his doppelganger lives on, will it be more out going and stand up for itself than the real Tanaka; misunderstanding the person it's mimicing? I find the doppelgangers to be a very interesting if random and underutilised part of the game, and thus appreciate your great video on them! However I'm not sure if I'd want more to be added in the future. For the most part, I think those who get doppelgangers plays into their themes. Levi is attempting to abandone his past as a soldier, and his doppelganger reduces him into nothing more than one. Olivia craves to be seen as her own person; escape her sister's shadow and be recognised beyond her condition. Her doppelganger is a mockery of her individuality by claiming that being a botanist is her condition. I think even Karin's doppelganger plays into her worrying about being nothing but a vulture as it lacks individuality, instead reporting on the gruesome events around it. Apologies for the theorising, your video just made me think a lot on an aspect of the game I've mostky overlooked until now!

[@tuckernutter]

I mean if that's the case it also replicated his heroin addiction, imagine having the sensation of withdrawals but having no means of acquiring the thing needed to calm it down.

[@sisyphus_is_spooky6881]

​@@tuckernutter Yeesh yeah that's terrifying to think about actually. It would see Levi go through withdrawals and just assume that it has to be through constant mental and physical turmoil. I wonder if that's why it's arm is so messed up too? It's twisted, fleshy arm is it attempting to replicate all of the holes and marks in Levi's arms, but obviously it doesn't have heroin to accurately replicate them.

[@The-next-version-of-jokes]

Mosky 🥶🥶

[@distantskyee]

i did read all that!

[@jalatovibes2128]

I love the idea that Tanaka has such terrible luck his doppelganger just assumes he gets into situations like that on purpose.

[@zacki102]

I really like Marina's doppelganger because it takes advantage of the fact that it's a video game. I recruited her in the bookshop (or ig technically the church) and then came back and my first thought was "oh pfft- they forgot to remove npc Marina" and then I went up and talked to her to see if I could trigger her recruit again and then the Marina in my party responded to it sort of yanking me back into immersion and recontextualizing "haha software gore" to "haha... that's not my friend..." It's honestly pretty cool even if I'm sure it's existence was spawned from a bug being turned into a feature.

[@stereotypicalweeb9978]

I literally thought the same thing lmao

[@ogeday6069]

The moment of realization.. is something different hahaha

[@quazargaming1917]

I HAD THIS EXACT SAME THOUGHT PROCESS OMG it geniunenly freaked me the fuck out one of my favorite fear and hunger moments as a result

[@Moe_leh_star]

The doppelgangers used to be a bug lmao

[@raiden_from_metal_gear]

lol i can imagine "whoops, looks like i forgot to add the flag for removing the NPC! haha, now there's two of them in the same room...! wait..."

[@Pudding404]

There's so many ways Miro can do with this. From Marina's B ending, from what is assumed to be Samarie's doppelganger, the majority of them just seem to want to fit in society for an unknown reason. I just think it would be cool to see a shy, non-confrontational Caligura, or a bad-mannered August just out of nowhere.

[@brunitoknolastname69420]

Imagine o'saaz's doppelganger, i would like to see o'saaz doppelganger going full wrestling or chaos magic on you because it doesn't fully know how to use magic

[@ar3k417]

From what we know they are actually born from logic and their role is to fit in society to “fill” the whole that termina victims left, they exist because logic wants to save the world and this is her primordial way to do so, ofcourse when they were created she was far from complete and once is complete their role is now useless but they were an initial attempt

[@quazargaming1917]

Caligura's doppleganger only sees the one scene of him ignoring the player on the train and so they think caligura is super shy sounds so funny lmao

[@Morgaen_Rei]

As one the testers of early alpha builds, I can tell you that the doppelgangers were a long running gag even before they were actually a thing. There were many instances in the alpha versions, where the game's logic would break or wouldn't work properly resulting in 'characters duplication'. For example, you could recruit Marina and yet find her in the book shop. Or as another example, recruit O'sa, but still find him sitting on streets near church. Noteworthy that we kinda asked Miro before if he would consider doing the false characters of sorts. And so during the early testing phase we started the joke in testers' chat that those bugs were actually an evil "doppelgangers", and I think it was the final straw that made Miro actually grow on this idea. And it was, indeed, a very elegant way to add new intriguing elements to the game, while not crushing and combating the logic of the game a lot. In case you wonder - almost all encouters, except for Olivia I think, were actually originally bugs. But a lot more duplication occasions were fixed promptly. Hope this was an interesting bit of knowledge. And yeah the phrase - "it's not a bug, it's a feature", is actually has proven times over to be ever right on spot :D

[@SaskatoonBerryPie]

That's really fascinating, thank you for that. 😊

[@maya993]

This is really funny, I thought it was a bug the first time I encountered Marina's doppelganger. The concept has gone full circle.

[@Morgaen_Rei]

@@maya993 turning bugs into a features is actually a major game designer's forte

[@Maxim.Nazarenko]

Good take.

[@poingupoingu]

This makes so much sense. When I first saw Maria I thought it was a bug lol

[@seelcudoom1]

one consideration is that the doppelgangers are actually part of the the contestant, similar to how becoming a new god splits you in half, its possible as the contestants loose humanity their doppelgangers gain it

[@Eliagiulio]

If I remember correctly, doesn't Rancid imply that the Doppelgängers are the result of nature/the world/order trying to reestablish balance after the Cult of Sulfur start misappropriating Rher's power?

[@ZnamTwojaMama101]

Yea, I had a boss fight with him and that's exactly what he said.

[@ZettontheGOAT]

Sulfur God? Not even surprised that anything weird are happening because of him

[@jadonteino3438]

I was literally talking about how I wanted this concept to be expanded on yesterday, I’d love for more of them and for them to actually be tough to figure out as a new player, like a Samerie doppelgänger that acts like a normal person who’s not obsessed with Marina, cuz the few we have are too obvious imo

[@AmericanBrit9834]

A Marcoh who kicks everything

[@jadonteino3438]

@@AmericanBrit9834 Levi who says no to drugs

[@AmericanBrit9834]

@@jadonteino3438 The kindest Caligura.

[@jadonteino3438]

@@AmericanBrit9834 Karin who has never covered a war

[@AmericanBrit9834]

@@jadonteino3438 A Daan with both eyes

[@lorddervish212quinterosara6]

The Doppelgangers are kind of victims too. They didn't choose this to begin with, they seem to act out of instinct and as they learn from the people they mimick, the more human they become. Eventually, they either forget their origins or decide to keep it a secret to mantain some level of normalcy in their lives.

[@ogeday6069]

I remember I saw that they have a bad nature. They are not victim, this is their nature.

[@Moe_leh_star]

​@@ogeday6069those are another kind of doppelgangers not fear and hunger's. Fah doppelgangers sole purpose is to replace the main person if they die or get moon scorched . They were created by nature and don't tend to hurt humans normally unless they misunderstand the person they are replicating or they are attacked

[@ogeday6069]

@@Moe_leh_star hmm you're right. But i think if a doppelganger mimics a bad person, i guess we could say that dome of them could be bad. Just like humans.

[@Moe_leh_star]

@@ogeday6069 yea they would act just like them For example if that bullshit criminal who turns into a ballsack has a doppelganger, he will be equally bullshit

[@TheActualMrLink]

“I’m not bad, just drawn this way.”

[@khaisa4391]

i've never played termina myself, so i didn't know that you had to kill samarie to get marina's B ending. i thought that samarie continuing to stalk marina even after the events of termina was just a funny part of the story. now that i know it's a doppelganger it makes it super creepy.

[@scellexentertainment7315]

I think the origin of the doppelganger is Ma'havre from F&H 1 In the Chambers of torment we can find identical "empty" husks and can make one ourself to progress the game without killing a party member. We also learn that Nashar wants those husks to have a new body to inhabit, and we learn through Darces S ending that she finds and brings the finished formula for a rebirth to resurrect Legarde... He probably used those K owledges to create doppelganger for his twisted gains at the festival

[@rogercheetoofficial]

i kind of hope this is something Miro expands upon as he brings Termina closer to being content-complete, if not by adding more then by giving us more information on them

[@alchemysaga3745]

Given that the Doppelgangers' physical forms are based on their observations of their target, and that Olivia's cut Doppelganger misunderstands her wheelchair as being a physical part of her body... Marina's Doppelganger probably made some incorrect assumptions about her anatomy. And I think it would be interesting if Olivia's cut Doppelganger was added back as being a version of it that appears on later days. To go with the concept of them becoming more human as they observe their target.

[@PhantomGato-v-]

I genuinely doubt the Doppelgangers have any idea of human anatomy at all. They're probably just mimicking the physical appearance of the outside, with no knowledge of the inside, and hence would have misplaced organs, genitals, etc.

[@KaijuGal-rb9ek]

I just visualized them to look like a chicken nuget insides below the clothes

[@perrisavallon5170]

I first ran into both Levi and Olivia's doppelgangers right after I had both of them in my party killed by enemies. There was a solid chunk of my runtime where I assumed that doppelgangers spawn when you recruit a contestant and then they die, so you can still harvest their heads. Like I thought there were doppelgangers for all of the playable characters, lol.

[@doomcardten1799]

I haven’t played, but the Marina Doppelgänger seems to be in a library of some sort? Maybe that could explain its increased conversation skills?

[@PhantomGato-v-]

Marina is one of the most talkative, expressive, and assertive contestants too.

[@timwest277]

I bumped into Levi, Tanaka, and Olivia's doppelganger while casually going through the game. Haven't found Marina's yet, but will do eventually.

[@MathisR412]

Exact same here lol I’m on my first ever playthru

[@brentbrooks4101]

First one I encountered was marina in library after u ask her to join goto church with open party slot she joins and you go back to where u first talked to her in the library

[@twilightflux6287]

A thing to note, Marina's doppelganger isn't possible if you're playing as Marina. I did play as Marina and never once saw her doppelganger in the location it's supposed to spawn

[@MathisR412]

@@brentbrooks4101 Either I missed the library or she just wasn’t there

[@ogeday6069]

I encountered all of them but Tanaka. I wonder where it is.

[@itsLalm]

all i can think of is that one tweet or something that says your goal in life is to train to beat your doppleganger in single combat.

[@stinkybean5]

I like that doppelganger Olivia's disability is that she is a botanist.

[@CozyGhost]

There was once an old Spanish story I read about a boy with a strange mental condition. He was obsessed with putting things in his mouth and biting people, to the point where his parents would say things like "why are you doing that? You act like a dog moreso than a child" making the boy ask himself what he even was. So naturally, the boy decided to seek out the dogs in the alley so that he could study them. Eventually, the parents misunderstood his studying for a desire to have a dog, so they bought him one, ending in the boy skinning the dog and wearing it's fur. While I don't remember the name of this story, it was under my impression that perhaps the mimics were born with a desire, and so they sought out living people who already had those desires, in a way. Its more likely than not that this is not the case, but when I met these creatures in the game, they briefly reminded me of that story.

[@nidohime6233]

Can you imagine in a future update they add a new playable character who turns out to be a doppelgänger.

[@abcdefghigklmnnopqrstuwxyz]

If that ever happens, I bet is Samarie and in the B ending of Marina is the actual Samarie

[@JesseBakerH]

I remember the first time I saw Olivia walking around in the woods I was immediately so unsettled

[@matapavosgamer]

Levi's doppleganger also acts as an introduction to them and he's more likely the first one you will find, basically letting the player know that there's copies of the participants somewhere

[@lilyblackburn348]

LUCKY POSTED AND I SHOT AWAKE, A COLD SWEAT RUNNING DOWN MY BACK

[@_mariri]

Wake up babe, new Lucky video just dropped!! Honestly, I am so desperate to see the doppelgänger concept expanded on. My favorite is Olivia's as of right now: seeing her running around the forest is so unbelievably jarring, and especially as someone disabled, seeing her reaction to her own doppelgänger who could walk freely was heartbreaking.

[@TheLovelyLadybug]

This is why Us is my favorite horror film of all time. The monster we should fear most often doesn’t have gnashing or otherworldly features. They most often have our own faces.

[@AllCloudsAreBunnies]

Wow..This one is incredible, too! I’m going to watch all of your fear&and hunger videos now (tbh I already planned to do that but I didn’t plan on doing that at this very moment 😜)

[@greasemonk4576]

I can't wait for Tanaka to have a doppelganger who also dies in a very unfortunate way.

[@PhantomGato-v-]

Tanaka needs at least 5 doppelgangers

[@jacobfreeman5444]

Here is an idea. The contestants are no longer part of the world. The ritual removes them. Leaving person shaped holes. These holes are the dopplegangers. They are empty shapes of the person who used to fill that spot. This is why they are imperfect mimics. They have yet to fill the void within them with substance enough to do more than guess at what the person they are filling in for are like. It is even possible after the ritual is complete that the dopplegangers will be able to fill themselves with the essence of the fallen so they become that person in truth. But until the ritual completes these are nothing more than distorted reflections of real people. An idea cast adrift.

[@yomeny2]

Taking this a step further. What if this is how Raer 'perfects' humanity. The ugly lie is striped clean and all that is left after the doppelganger is finished is the 'truth under'

[@TheShut1]

Heh, youtube algorithm noticed me enjoying your previous few F&H videos and suggested me this video only 12 minutes after it was posted. Anyway, another great explanation!

[@BeepsBPS]

Awesome video! What a nice surprise to see this topic I had no idea I wanted to know more of just pop up in my feed haha. Thanks for sharing this!

[@mpme11509]

babe wake up, lucky posted a new funger video

[@dustyboots5269]

absolutely amazed you have only three videos on fear and hunger ! theyre so well crafted and erudite youd think youd been making them as long as all the other F+H creators on here! what kind of topics are you gonna cover next?

[@squeethemog213]

A fascinating dive into one of my favorites games. Thank you for your awesome work 😃

[@troev]

theyre cute, just learning and trying to survive

[@Velkking]

The tv is the doppelganger if the idea of watching her do her reports which would make the doppelganger think that that what she look like

[@mechajesus948]

Adding just that little bit of spice to make the game more chilling.

[@Whitefish81]

Logic is supposed to observe people and create virtual simulacrums in the virtual 'promised land'. I reckon the dopplegangers are these simulacrum manifested physically, perhaps due to the festival interfering with the contestants. Karin's is the most complete as Logic would have the most access to her past recordings.

[@drizkie9361]

One thing I noticed is all the dopplegangers are of the youngest contestants, I'm not sure how old Tanaka is though. So if the dopplegangers were looking or created to replace the killed contestants, it's picking the ones that are easily replaceable and no one would really bat an eye at if they were a little different. Children and people with lot's of fear naturally won't survive the festival so it wouldn't surprise me if there was entity in Termina that took advantage of that.

[@littlebeasty5839]

neat detail on Olivia wheelchair

[@bwoooooooooop]

So how do we know that anyone we come across or interact with isn't just a Doppelganger from an earlier instance of Termina? Such as Father Domek, Needles, the Woodsman etc.

[@ThePhantomTomo]

This makes me really want to know what a Doppelganger of August would be like.

[@Br0kenMask]

The only things Doppelgängers say that's not imitated is "I swallow you whole" and "I scratch your eyes out". So I assume they have a level of intelligence and are malicious

[@scaryhallway]

i loveeee your fear and hunger content

[@a_lethe_ion]

I have an acquaintance that has a ton of doppelgängers, its become a bit of a group in joke to tell him when we saw another [his name]

[@theblocksays]

I guess they take on the "warped toothy grin" only in battle?

[@WobblesandBean]

Levi DOES have hands. He's just gripping the shotgun in a way so you only see his knuckles.

[@franciscovega2042]

This was great. Very insightful. Kudos.

[@bolle_9811]

YOO NEW LUCKY VIDEO!!!

[@egorleontev9970]

I think doppelgangers are there for people, who are too conflicted to sacrifice team members yet want to see what happens if u deal with pocket cat. Doppelgangers are a coping mechanism, that makes killing easier for player. You can say it makes so for character, that its the character coping with killing a team member with projecting schizophrenic fantasies.

[@epicalexfurry4377]

6:04 The other girl that appears in Marina’s B ending photo has not been confirmed to be Samarie

[@Im_Tessa]

the B ending text pretty much confirms it also the sprite of samarie is the same basically

[@NocturnalAegis]

Its debatable as to whether the broadcast is Karin's mimic or if it's Logic making the broadcast. Especially considering its unclear how a mimic would even be able to transmit the broadcast to that television. Overall though this is a really well put together video and cool theory.

[@cdru515]

Huh, Logic broadcasting actually makes sense, since she's capable of creating holograms which lead the player to the telectroscopes. And since the broadcast is helpful, she might be trying to help the contestants, so that they can get the effigy

[@pandapuff4634]

I wonder if the present dauplegangers were made earlier because Rhers remains/sulfur took the most interest on their internal trauma. Like treasuring the before and after... rhers books keep saying he hates humans and brings their internal parts out along with sulfur currupting/changing his followers and sacrifices... did Miro ever say who their fave contestant was?

[@kurokukageyama990]

OMG ANOTHER FEAR AND HUNGER VIDEO😍

[@justsometroglodyte4056]

Doppelgangers are the chatbot versions of the originals

[@microwraptor4774]

love your funger videos always

[@Juan-bx5rq]

Twin where have you been? NOBODY

[@Landon-h8c]

Looks like theres a doppelganger among us

[@ilovepeoplebro]

GUS??

[@meatropellountren1886]

i dont think Karin on the TV was a doppelganger, i think it might be a creation of the moldy aparments, a twisted "joke" from the sulfur god?

[@superbad8008]

Is left to their own devices, this duplicates can seamlessly integrate into their counterpart’s lives. Does that mean they’re legitimately living beings? If they can become indistinguishable from the real thing, does that give them a right to life like the originals?

[@nuraigumama7610]

NEW FUNGER LUCKY VIDEO

[@EmperorOfLols]

You say they replace the constestants so they can have their lives and nobody is wise to the fact the originals got missing, but that seems counter productive. Having the OG missing and people finding out will lead MORE people to Prehevil and thus the festival will restart again, as many times its needed to find that one candidate Perkele needs. I dont see how making sure people dont come to investigate its a good idea.

[@doktorhabilitowanystanczyk]

they're just silly little guys

[@calafate69]

Very interesting video!

[@mateomoreno331]

Whats the name of the movie at 0:11? I even watched it during lockdown but I forgot the name

[@g.f8342]

Probably can google it by photo I think

[@deaddymanny7309]

"Us"? "We"? Something between those two.

[@evanskinner4231]

Subscribed!

[@Ronin_Vector]

Sleepy Gary, how do we know *I'm* real?

[@delmattia96]

Thanks!

[@XYM117]

if I find someone who looks exactly like me I would def be the man who sold the world

[@topcat59]

Cool vid bro.😺

[@sunofabeach9424]

I have no idea if it is a female voice or a male voice pitched high enough to pass

[@ChuckleFuks]

First Levi had to deal with the hell of the pure titans. Then putting a stop to Eren who flattened 80% of the world. Just to end dealing with a doppelgänger. Bro can’t catch a break

[@pabloraulpereyra4948]

Good video

[@enitsu-142]

Only one point I disagree on : Samarie in Marina’s B ending could be a ghost. We know ghosts exist in this universe and Marina can never seem to find the person who photobombs her. While Doppelgängers are quick, I doubt they’re quick enough to escape Marina after most photobombs. Still, great vid, as the doppelgänger speculation is also a very plausible explanation ^_^

[@thebathroom6327]

They might be Sylvian? Creating life and replacing those at high risk of dying seems like it would be linked to her

[@azeria1]

Wait doesn’t this implie that all of the villagers and individuals in the city have doppelgänger versions then is this how the festival can still happen even in a more modern world

[@jaydenkween1828]

Hello lucky, I love your analysis of games, however, your microphone seems to be misconfigured. When you speak, mostly at the end of words, it is capturing your breath and creating a high pitched squeaky noise, this is very unpleasant to hear for people with auditory sensitivity and is causing me a headache when I watch your videos. To fix this you need to go into your recording software and find your pitch limiter config, a noise gate filter would also work. If you use OBS, lowering the volume bars of your voice could be a last resort solution, but that is going to make you quieter as a whole, and that's not needed. Fixing this will improve viewing experience tenfold, I assure you 😊

[@marcostorres5373]

wow

[@triarii9257]

What happened to your audio??? It went from clear and crisp to far and raspy

[@harrissyed1603]

I'm curious if they were refugees not of the war but of Ragnvaldr's massacre of the beasts of old. It's possible the village was their chance to acclimate and hide in human society taking advantage of the infrastructure in place but being thwarted by the appearance of the moon god. With the god being a bringer of truth the doppelgangers most likely saw continued habitation impossible and are now jumping ship taking new already-established identities to forgo the issue of attaining sanctuary without papers.

[@themiller3940]

Personally I subscribe to the "Samarie got inexplicably better" theory

[@marshallhomi5988]

The human hydra from the first FH, splits up making these doppelgangers. Saved you the time.

[@Limeyy81]

burger

[@caseyharrington4947]

Doppelgangers existed before they had purpose. Miro accidentally made duplicates of the player models that just kind of walk around and rather than patch them he made them enemies. This is All Bones told me this

[@foggy8298]

Honestly, considering all the Doppelgängers we see are violent, I don’t think the Karin television recording or Samarie in Marina’s B ending are necessarily doppelgängers at all. Why would the Karin doppelgänger know and be willing to give encrypted hints to whomever is listening? Karen is a war journalist, the Doppelgänger is doing a pretty shitty job if it’s covering months old domestic news from a town Karin has never been to before (although, the doppelgängers are dumb) I’ve heard before an alternate explanation of Logic, who would have the motive to drive the contestants to find the effigies (and thus closer to her), and who works through technology, may be controlling the television. And for Samarie, why is the doppelgänger not killing Marina the first chance it gets? Assumedly because Marina genuinely pays so little mind to Samarie that she doesn’t realize this Samarie is supposedly a doppelgänger, but I don’t buy that she would seamlessly slot into place. None of the doppelgängers do. They’re all underbaked. I don’t have an alternative explanation for Samarie, though. But I don’t think that means writing off all the other characteristics of Doppelgängers we’ve been shown and imagining that this one specially is 100% flawless and also non-violent because the possibility of Samarie just being weird like that hasn’t been considered. And Samarie really is weird. She was experimented on and had her lifespan significantly shortened, she knows multiple spells including a spell you only get access to after beating the game, she is both extremely knowledgeable on magic and unable to realize she didn’t actually kill Marina’s father, she moonscorches as early as Afternoon 1 but will follow Marina around far after that point- I’d be shocked if whatever the people in the Vatican did to her didn’t somehow resurrect her, honestly. Not saying they totally aren’t both doppelgängers, but it’s definitely not set in-stone

[@JoaoVictor-rg5ix]

Can Dopplegangers become moonscorched?

[@dedekorkut5655]

Not accepting thanks

[@louisallen5727]

Rad.

[@rita6355]

U kinda sound like worm girl