FEAR & HUNGER, But I'm Christian😇

Fear and Hunger is an rpg that mashes Undertale unique rpg mechanic concepts while stealing the brutality of the setting of Berserk!
Can we, a Christian gamer, play a game like this and even attempt to come out unscaved and still Christian?
#christiangaming #fearandhunger #rpg

[@fuzzyslippas]

LMAO you thought cult of the lamb was too much for a christian so you played fear and hunger? Thats like feeling like a diving board is too high so you jump from a building instead.

[@CHRISTIAN_GAMER]

hey man, that diving board was really high, I sweaaaaaaaar😂 I see your point though. I did mention that Fear and Hunger is a exception for me, just like the manga series Beserk. My problem with cult of the lamb is the light heartedness of cult. Again, that's where I'm at with it, but you bring up a funny point.

[@fuzzyslippas]

@@CHRISTIAN_GAMER I see where you're coming from about grappling with media that intends to say something (ie. berserk and FaH) vs something thats plain silly and could be misleading although I don't quite understand the problem with cult of the lamb. All religions and thought based groups are a cult for better or worse. Before you bite my head off for that statement I mean from a purely academic perspective; even early christians considered themselves part of a cult. I thiink the game is just a harmless game that pokes fun at how dumb joining that cult would be and how absurb it sounds when said out loud. TLDR I think cult of the lamb is anti cult in its messaging

[@benkai343434]

@@fuzzyslippas if all religions are a cult, so is atheism and so is agnosticism, as both of those are belief systems with a central pillar, or, system of belief, this being either idolatry of humanity above all things, idolatry of nature above all things, idolatry of science above all things (atheism), or a lack of desire to remain consistent with your beliefs out of fear of being judged by humanity, which is, in a way, another arm of idolatry of humanity above all things (agnosticism). Taking that into consideration, If the above are cults, that means everything is a cult, and if everything is a cult, then nothing is a cult. The problem here, as I'm sure you've already figured out, is that there's an automatic negative association with the word cult, when all that a cult is is 'reverence towards a person or idea', and comes from the word 'cultus', as in 'to cultivate'. St. Augustine even classifies the Catholic Church as a cult of God, where the primary focus is to 'cultivate love for God'. negative associations with the word cult stem purely from the 1920s and is a modern reinterpretation of an older word for the sake of muddying the waters. As such, the modern interpretation should not carry any water in any discussion. TL:DR 'Cult' should never be used as a derogatory word, because it's not actually a derogatory word. The reason why Cult of the Lamb isn't Christian is because it encourages idolatry, and in a way pokes fun at the concept of the Lamb of God, a central aspect of Christianity. Even if tongue in cheek, that's going to cause more devout Christians (such as myself) to raise an eyebrow and turn away from it. Hope this clears up some things for you, and may the lord bless you on your way.

[@fuzzyslippas]

@@benkai343434 totally agree; all of those are cults as well (except agnosticism as their is no beleief system just an agreed lack of understanding). And the reason I brought this up is because yes, there is a negative connotation to the word cult but what usually seperates people distinguishing a cult is not its credibility but usually how long it has been around. Christianity was considered a cult until it became socially acceptable. While i understand the whole idolitry thing, I think you're putting way too much meaning and an agenda on a game that has neither. In fact, it probably has an overall positive view of christianity while Fear and Hunger is a scathing critizism.

[@fuzzyslippas]

@@benkai343434 while i do agree that those are also cults, I also see that you fundamentally misunderstand atheism, agnosticism, and scientism. What you described as "idolatry of science above all things" is actually called scientism. Atheism is the beleif that there is no god, and just because we can't explain some things yet, doesn't mean god had anything to do. Agnosticism Is just open minded for whatever is out there to do its thing. The only one of these beleif systems that. The problem here is that the modern use of the word cult is from christians often used to discredit non christian beliefs. "The reason why Cult of the Lamb isn't Christian is because it encourages idolatry, and in a way pokes fun at the concept of the Lamb of God, a central aspect of Christianity." I know exactly why this games isn't christian; It would take a real dummy not to understand just from the title. "Even if tongue in cheek, that's going to cause more devout Christians (such as myself) to raise an eyebrow and turn away from it." M argument was that the creators (successfully) banked on your self rightous indignation over what is ultimately a pretty silly game to sell more copies to people who get off on reactions. Its like satanism; they don't believe in god or satan, they're atheists. They're just so popular because they chose a symbol to spark indignation from their opposition and you fed into it

[@marcelinebeckerrosas9023]

well, at least F&H has their own jesus xD

[@tehcrusher]

the chad Alll-mer

[@thejoker9322]

If youve played Fear & Hunger, I'd personally suggest Darkwood if you havent played it already, kinda like this, but without the dangalangs all over the place, and the atmosphere is just as great!

[@Fallout_Survivor]

Darkwood is like a horror game without jumpscares, i never thought it would be possible but hey did it, the game is awesome of cource and that's coming from a guy that hates horror games lol

[@Thatguy-fp7rh]

darkwood is a very interesting time

[@michatuodziecki2079]

When someone so innocent start playing this game and go into every trap

[@jblask2]

Saving the dog probably makes up for any unchristian moments lol

[@funnysticklady]

HER NAME IS MOONLESS YOU UNCULTURED SWINE!!

[@bizznick444joe7]

This game is like if you played the Bible.

[@lukevankleef4245]

''Is it male or female?'' Character literally has a specially sculpted boob plate. XD

[@CHRISTIAN_GAMER]

Maybe he never skipped chest day😅

[@AquinasBunny]

@@CHRISTIAN_GAMER So, D'arce (or "Timothy") being desperately in love with Legarde, a cis man, wasn't a problem for you? How heretically progressive of you

[@CHRISTIAN_GAMER]

@@AquinasBunny huh… didn’t really think of it like that 😂. I figured out later that it’s supposed to be a she since to me it really felt like they were inspired characters of casca and Griffith from Berserk.

[@awkwardukulele6077]

good job noticing the Berserk inspirations. I'd say, even if you are christian, there's some value to consuming Berserk AND F&H, for similar reasons. I'm no longer religious, but I found the philosophies in both stories to be pretty christian-friendly, compared to something like Cult of the Lamb. There's a strong through line that people _should not_ try to become gods That's because there is danger in becoming something you're not, yes, but also because there is something valuable that is lost when someone gives up there humanity, even if it is pursuit of something "greater." There's value in suffering, and continuing to face the hardships of life head-on, even in the face of relentless strife. That's not too far off from some of Christ's teachings. Of course, there's also the idea that gods are, in some sense, too alien and too indifferent to suffering to spend any time interacting with them, which goes against what Christians (and many other religious people) are about. But there's enough in these stories for some Christians to find good perspectives, depending on how they feel about more sensitive subjects. @@CHRISTIAN_GAMER

[@CHRISTIAN_GAMER]

thanks for the comment and I agree with your statements! @@awkwardukulele6077

[@jogo._.]

I'm pretty sure All Mer is described just like Jesus in Fear and Hunger 2

[@CHRISTIAN_GAMER]

It's definitely a interpretation of Jesus. As a Christian, I believe Jesus to be 100% man and 100% God. Other people have look at Jesus and claim that he was a prophet, or that he became God. That's what it looks like, as I look All-mer because I defintely ignored a lot of the lore.🤣🤣

[@tehcrusher]

@@CHRISTIAN_GAMER Alll-mer is also credited as being the "savior of mankind" in the world of fear and hunger, being, if I remember right, the one man who ascended to godhood. It's a pretty cool interpretation tbh it kinda takes a lovecraftian bloodborne approach where gods can be both dead and alive at once, like how you can pray to alll-mer, and he can bless you with items and spells, even though you can find his literal corpse in the lower levels of the dungeon.

[@Fallout_Survivor]

you beat both elite guards in your first run? i am impressed most people keep tring to instant kill them with heatshots that only have 10 to 30% hit chance completly forgetting about their weapons(the priority of 90% of the enemies) about the game the dungeon is only half of the game, the truth of why the dungeons are like that and the true final bosses are after the giant door, the cube is a key to it

[@CHRISTIAN_GAMER]

Thanks! On my second stream of the game I grabbed the cube and ventured further. Sadly I haven’t gotten to the final boss but it definitely does seems to get more impactful with the meaning of things passed the big door.

[@VodkaVodoka]

The point about nudity in Fear & Hunger being about rawness of humanity is interesting point, but another review/analysis put it even better, I think. In our day to day lives, we wear clothes. We see other people wearing clothes. In most cultures around the world, people are clothed, and that gives us connection to them, and gives us certain expectations of social norms that they conform to. But in Fear & Hunger many of the denizens of the dungeon are nude, or don't cover their privates. This makes them seem alien to us, and makes us think of what could have lead them to situation like this. It was obviously a conscious choice, since people who are new to dungeon and haven't lost themselves to madness yet do dress normally. ...Of course there's characters like Ragnvaldr, whose outfit is pretty revealing, but he embodies the barbarian archetype, so even then I think we accept the way he is. And his actions in the dungeon are quite noble. But yeah, fantastic game. Personally I prefer the sequel, Termina, since that feels more like adventure game, with heavier focus on characters.

[@bizznick444joe7]

There is information you can find about the game found in the books you find in the dungeon and comes down to how you interpret them you can get it right or wrong. It's like literally reading the Bible. What fear you start out with is randomly given to you on character creation. You take more damage from enemies of that type and also have a lower chance of landing a hit on them.

[@VodkaVodoka]

Yeah, for example if you take the front door to the dungeon, you were quickly find a book that explains all the phobias. I really like it when games explain stuff like that in-setting. It also clues the player in on that they should be reading the books. ...But having said that, I don't think there is a book that properly explains all the status ailments, like what they do, what causes them and how to cure them. When I started playing, I really would have appreciated knowing that infected legs will kill me if not treated or amputated.

[@marimakesstuff3900]

I winder what you'd thing of FAITH the unholy trinity! It may superficially look "unchristian" but I think the main theme is the opposite

[@CHRISTIAN_GAMER]

I've defintly have heard of the game. If you want me to cover it I can see about it and put on mg list

[@tehcrusher]

@@CHRISTIAN_GAMER It's a pretty cool experience, even if you aren't a believer, it kind of has a vibe everyone can enjoy, like how veggietales had a LOT of agnostic/atheist fans

[@CHRISTIAN_GAMER]

@@tehcrusher wasn’t expecting it to be compared to veggie tales but ok😂

[@noxturnae]

Out of all the possible characters, you somehow really chose the one most appropriate for a christian run (D'Arce)

[@CHRISTIAN_GAMER]

I'm not too surprised. Usually knight is symbolized with the old style of knights' connection with the church, so just went with that, but yeah you are right, it really was great with its connection to D'Arce.

[@MadArtillery]

I do love how atmospheric the game is, was quite the experience getting through it. Seems you got a pretty good rythm going pretty quick, try again but better is important. It is infact surpring how many enemies can actually become non hostile, instantly killed, allied, or delayed with talking. Sometimes you may need a specific ability or item but it is pretty cool. The soulstones are how you gain new skills and spells.

[@tehcrusher]

You can get some cool lore if you cut off the yellow mage's arms and then talk to him

[@CHRISTIAN_GAMER]

Oh really?!?

[@apepchoko]

this is another way to enjoy this game, i like it, good vid 👌

[@CHRISTIAN_GAMER]

Thanks! It was a pretty fun experience.

[@TykonBlue]

Dude fellow Christian, it's a really good game. Termina too. Nothing sexual in fear and hunger is enticing. All to demonstrate the depravity of the world and circumstances

[@CHRISTIAN_GAMER]

I agree. I didn't mention it in the video, as someone who struggles with sexual temptation, I would say the place with people dress as people was a bit much for me, but even that was meant to show the depravity of the world too.

[@AlbichuDR]

You barely saw a *third* of the game. The game itself rewards the player for learning from mistakes/actions and figuring out its mechanics.

[@CHRISTIAN_GAMER]

I agree. I played more of it on stream over on HERO SCRUB, but even then, I knew there was more to the game. I just thought this was a great ending for the purpose of the video, but you are right that there is a lot more to the game.

[@dran0nym0u5]

I would love to see a lore reaction. I don't think you would be able to finish the game without a expert of the game.

[@CHRISTIAN_GAMER]

I like that idea... not quite sure how i'd make that work, but maybe that might happen, but no promises😅

[@Raven-wz3zb]

Hell even as a Christian i adore this game

[@awkwardukulele6077]

Hey, I've watched about half of this video since yesterday, and I'm finishing it tonight, but I couldn't wait to ask: Did you notice the inspirations from Gnosticism in F&H? Some other commenters pointed out that Alll-Mer is basically Jesus in this game, but I wanted to add that most of the symbolism for Jesus in All-Mer is actually borrowing from Gnostic texts, which would be considered heretical by most Christians nowadays. Again, it's only inspired, and some elements actually just come from regular Christian traditions, but if you feel up to it I'd love to hear your opinions on the game's tackling of those interpretations of the bible. I'm not well-versed enough to explain this on my own, but there's a video from this creator, Mauthe Doog, where he explains both F&H and F&H2: Termina, and goes into detail about how Gnosticism is portrayed in the games: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pF7ZdIuleqyWgZY I understand if you don't feel like speaking on this, but I would value hearing your perspective on it. Thanks either way 😊

[@JaymeSplendid]

If hundreds of years of Crusades that killed thousands in the name of God or the forced conversion of Northern Pagans, I think this game is a walk in the park. Morality is a mans construct. What YOU choose to do or live, how you treat others etc should be focal to your faith. Par taking in horror entertainment, war documentaries or even war recreations on film should not be off limits. Glad you played games like this.

[@Boomblox5896]

Funny, in my experience watching so many people play, I am convinced that the game is just programmed to pick the opposite side of the coin that you picked. The game is actually rigged against you unless you toss two lucky coins at once.

[@CHRISTIAN_GAMER]

Oh really! Yeah it was really just tails every time for me.

[@BrutalButtSlap]

Hmmm... now this is a interesting channel, see this more "puritan" conversation toward this media (don't take this as a jab is just my limited knowledge of the english vocabulary this how I cna best describe), because I knew and grew around christian people more of the catholic variety that could seen more "hardcore" if I put in comparison to some American Christian I see online or Evangelicas in my country They go more like "let kid and teen be them but talk like they are adults" if they witness cruelty or something bad you explain why it frown upon and how this happens, no need to go graphical with social political and historical details just explain this is Truth and Reality and here is how we try to deal with it and why, just like how you explain Berserk, this can conflict to some modern ideas even more when you make them objective and not subjective (the Gnoticism still runs strong and not going away so soon) New parents should take this approach in my opnion, even more now that the current MO is not hiding info and truth but oversaturating and desensitizing to it with "sutff", making people care for the most freivolous things exange truth for covinience and self assertion, for me is why some christian people attach to works like Souls games, Some more "mature" Manga (quotation because manga is for everyone is just a target demographic and mature manga can be very chieldish and just edgy), a lot will just complain is has gore, sex, nudity, etc. but that is just a surface look this is like looking in verses of the bible and saying isn't christian like because describes and depicts death, torture, slavery and other stuff, you need to listen, observe, absorb and learn, they see their ideias put in pratice and in a struggle and they exercise it and overcome it But I do adimit that I want to slap a mofo if I see another image of Jesus blessing Guts was funny in the first 100 but now people are taking the joke too seriously and not seeing as one hahah

[@GospelApostleZay]

Gospel and gaming on my channel!! Stay blessed in Jesus’ name🙏🏽

[@fuzzyslippas]

Just gonna come out and say that if you truly believe in something you should be able to engage in substantive media that is critical of said beleifs. In fact, I would argue that if you're afriad to do so, your belief wasn't very solid to begin with. I say this as an atheist with no disrespect meant to anyone or their beliefs. I mean wasn't that the point of Jesus going to the desert and all? Peace and love

[@CHRISTIAN_GAMER]

I agree. what do you mean about Jesus going to the desert?

[@fuzzyslippas]

@@CHRISTIAN_GAMER Matthew 4:1-11 At that time Jesus was led by the Spirit into the desert to be tempted by the devil. He fasted for forty days and forty nights and afterwards was hungry. The tempter approached and said to him, “If you are the Son of God, command that these stones become loaves of bread.

[@CHRISTIAN_GAMER]

So where does the love and peace come in? @@fuzzyslippas

[@fuzzyslippas]

​@@CHRISTIAN_GAMER to all of you

[@michatuodziecki2079]

Knight is female

[@PikaMewleMiaouss]

Even beyond that, Knight is inspired by Joan of Arc. Her canon name, D'arce, is taken from her French name Jeanne d'Arc.

[@rakdoxx873]

@@PikaMewleMiaouss It's awesome to see a game where a big strong man dresses slutty while the powerful woman dresses like an actual soldier. Pretty hilarious tbh, usually its the other way around

[@CHRISTIAN_GAMER]

@@PikaMewleMiaouss didn't realize that! I've always heard of the name but looking at it now, you are definitely right!!

[@ChristianRPGGamers]

😇😇😇😇😇

[@DanteCrowlley]

Thats illegal

[@CHRISTIAN_GAMER]

not uhhhh

[@nernguan995]

How are you going to do this?? I think all of the characters are polytheists thats like, instant rule breaking!!

[@nernguan995]

Great video by the way! Loved the editing and commentary. Fun.

[@CHRISTIAN_GAMER]

OH NO!!!!

[@kj5847]

denomination?

[@CHRISTIAN_GAMER]

Christian👍 Honestly just nondenominational, just because I personally don't want claim to agree with something, that I actually might not.

[@catotonic1881]

bruh fear and hunger is way more un Christian than cult of the lamb WTH, you can even just name your cult as the church of Christ.