Fedora 40, Ubuntu 24.04 LTS, Flathub Redesign, Nextcloud & more Linux news

[@walter_lesaulnier]

I use Fedora/ Plasma with 2 monitors at 2 different resolutions and refresh rates. X11 was absolutely horrible, Wayland works perfectly with no issues whatsoever for me.

[@justinmillertech]

Thanks for your work!

[@michael_tunnell]

WHOA! Thank you so much for the supercomment! That is so nice of you!!! I am glad you enjoy the show and thanks for being part of the community!

[@fuseteam]

Flathub: i'm the appstore for Linux Snapstore: i'm the appstore for Linux

[@FrozenFlames243]

huh their battle will be legendary

[@J-wm4ss]

flathub >>>

[@Etchacritic]

That’s the great thing about Linux. We can have two, or three, or 10! 😊

[@bhargavjitbhuyan9394]

Both are very inefficient. I tried some flatpaks but they use more resources. Like ram and storage.

[@bhargavjitbhuyan9394]

​@@J-wm4ss Native Binary Packages>appimages/potable tar>flatpak>snaps.

[@breadmoth6443]

glad this has proper audio - i don't care if the mic is in the shot , i can hear you better. maybe you should also consider some foam padding on the walls, that could also improve things.

[@guilherme5094]

Thanks Michael👍!

[@jorge86rodriguez]

I am also on kde fedora 40. I love fedora because it has all latest technology and is stable. I do not have the patience to use arch X_x

[@yashagarwal8741]

Thanks for the video my personal take on ubuntu : i like their iso's having two versions one which is genuinly minimal since 6gb is alot for the iso and having an offline iso

[@Etchacritic]

I’ve been using Fedora 40’s Cinnamon spin, it’s really nice. Not as customizable as KDE, but it’s a lot more intuitive where it counts.

[@Starcom70]

Is anybody going to cover the fact that the Ubuntu 24.04 installer does not support LVM if you choose custom partitioning during the installation process.?

[@michael_tunnell]

I didn’t know that was a thing to cover 🤷‍♂️

[@victorsimeonov]

Thank you!

[@michael_tunnell]

Whoa! Thank you so much for the super thanks, or super chat, or well I dont know what its called when its a comment. Thanks so much for that and you're welcome for the content. :D

[@breadmoth6443]

thing is , wayland has already been around for over 10 years, so how much longer until it is"ready" ?

[@michael_tunnell]

Thanks for commenting and sharing your thoughts, my response to your question is "probably a couple more years". The context of that answer expresses that in a good way because Wayland is very very close to done and when you compare it to the Xorg timeline, it is drastically faster than X development. For direct comparison sake, it took X 22 years to become a solid option for those looking to use Linux. X was first released in 1984. The point of which Linux became a solid option for a large amount of people was around 2006. X had been out for 22 years and X11 had been out for 19 years at this time . . . yes X11 was the last major version of X and it was released in 1987. Wayland is taking a while but less than X and X had nothing to be compared to and Wayland is trying to replace something that has been in use for 40 years . . . its a lot to do.

[@breadmoth6443]

@@michael_tunnell its been 10 years though, more than that, by the time wayland gets "ready", it may as well be almost as old as x was or is soon.

[@michael_tunnell]

Yes, Wayland is taking a while, in fact its been developed for almost 16 years now. Yea I think maybe it takes 2 more years and a total of 18 years to replace X11 but that is 4 years faster than Xorg did it in and Xorg in 2006 was still far from solid. I dont think it was until 2010 that Linux desktop became average user friendly to use. Here's the thing though Wayland is having to do this while having to implement 4 decades worth of feature parity. If they only need 2 more years to do it then I would find that rather impressive. X was competing with nothing and didnt have to offer feature parity with anything. Wayland has to replace a massive project that has had 4 decades of development and is required to offer feature parity. This is a very difficult thing to do and takes a lot of time. A display server is one of the most core components of a desktop solution so it is going to be a mountain to climb to replace one so I am not all that surprised it is taking so long and a drop in replacement where most people never notice the change is what is needed from Wayland. This is a very hard thing to do at any level but at this level its kind of insane.

[@gost]

It is ready even if it is not ready. It is impossible to implement all X features, and it is impossible to fix all bugs. That's the only weak side of the Open Source world - it is difficult to concentrate a lot of resources to implement just one very needed feature. However, I hope that the time was used wisely and it will be rock solid in a year.

[@breadmoth6443]

@@gost "it is ready even if it is not ready" , no either it is ready for production or not - save minor bugs here or there; but if this project has been bogged by drama or something like that, its a shame, because the software itself has been in dev for a decade now; that is way more than enough time.

[@solidandshade]

Yesterday I backed up my files and booted with Fedora 40 usb with the full intent of using it as my daily driver. Nope. Gnome desktop + wayland still flickers with nvidia. Also weird bugs like only top left quarter of the youtube videos displayed on my screen (4k video, 4k monitor with 200% scaling). Then I checked out Ubuntu. Aaand both windows and mouse cursor randomly flickers as well. And mouse cursor moving super slow when playing a video. I went back to my xorg mint cinnamon.

[@michael_tunnell]

understandable decision and yes, Nvidia still has issues with Wayland. I covered some news on a previous episode that will fix that in a few months or so but right now it is still an problem. I am curious if you have tried Plasma and have the same problems. I think you might with Fedora 40 KDE as it will have Wayland only but Kubuntu 24.04 supports X11. It's not Plasma 6 but Plasma 5 is very good too so I think Kubuntu is worth looking into if you haven't. Alternatively, just keeping Mint Cinnamon is a solid option too. :D

[@solidandshade]

@@michael_tunnell Last time I tried Kde was few months after debian 12 came out and I had very similar issues. But no, I have not tried it on Fedora yet. Also I just tested these on live USB. To be fair maybe if I had fully installed and updated, it could work out (I did this with debian and it didn't). I am going to wait for a bit more. Mint works for now but Clem says he will eventually move to wayland too. I hope Wayland gets good with nvidia drivers very soon.

[@DCM777.]

Modify /etc/default/grub and add nvidia_drm.modeset=1 in GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT. Regenerate grub.cfg by running grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg Reboot. The line will look like this : GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="loglevel=3 quiet nvidia_drm.modeset=1 "

[@gost]

Nvidia will release a new driver next month with wayland support.

[@willcoder]

My biggest problem with Fedora 40 came from MariaDB jumping from 10.5 to 10.11, on a server running Django 5.x, with a model using a UUIDField. Django changes behavior based on detecting the _version_ of mariaDB that it's talking to... It assumes all UUIDFields on MariaDB >= 10.7 were originally created using a native UUID column type. Sadly, before Fedora 40, with MariaDB 10.5, Django would create UUIDFields as a Char(32)... Then after upgrading to Fedora 40, Django tries to store "native" UUIDs which include the hyphens... meaning 36 characters long... So sad. Max length errors until you fix it (quickly, before any new UUIDs get inserted, or lookups fail for users): first migrate the UUIDField to CharField(max_length=36), and apply to the DB, then immediately do another migration back to UUIDField, and MariaDB will cast the old non-hyphenated rows into its native UUID type, so you don't lose any rows. It's a little hair-raising. I don't blame Fedora maintainers... This is weird runtime behavior adaptation inside Django that I think wasn't fully baked.

[@louisfifteen]

We know Michael and we appreciate the time and effort you put into your work. I hope you recieve the support from the viewers you deserve. Just installed Ubuntu 24.04 LTS and I'm very hapy with it, but I'm also torn between Fedora and Ubuntum so we will see which one wins.

[@michael_tunnell]

Thanks a lot! I am working on trying to build up this channel more and more so if all goes well then it should get much bigger. :D

[@unclefester9113]

Thing that puzzles me is that - Not all Linux Distro's write their name into the Boot Menu. In other words - if its Ubuntu based.... It might not say what it is.... It will only say "ubuntu". Isn't there a way to tweak this ?

[@michael_tunnell]

Yes, this is possible to do but not all distros are made by people who know how to change things. There’s a lot of Ubuntu based distributions but most aren’t that appealing imo.

[@sman6320]

Fedora 40: I have a problem, where the internet speed goes down big time after about 1 hour. Anybody else with this problem?

[@michael_tunnell]

that doesnt sound like a OS problem but an ISP problem, have you contacted your ISP?

[@sman6320]

@@michael_tunnell It‘s not the ISP. I have no problems with Windows and my other devices.

[@tiagojs]

I was about to use Bazzite 3.0 but the newest Fedora decisions kinda scare me out. I have been using KDE 6 in Arch Linux and not gonna lie I found some bugs here and there and those bugs got on my nerves. My hardware supports Wayland pretty well, but I'm gaming on Linux now and X11 is a nice fallback to have when you're a gamer otherwise I believe I wouldn't take this route. So to summarize what made me quit Bazzite: - KDE 6.0 and it's bugs - Fedora 40 and the X11 controversy - Upgrade from Bazzite 2.5 was broken for some people - Lack of control because of the immutability approach of the Distro Anyway, fortunately Linux is about choice! So I choose Debian 13(Testing) with BTRFS Snapshots with Timeshift and KDE 5.27.10 what should work fine for me in the next months while Plasma 6 gets more mature.

[@hiru92]

upgrade to ubuntu 24.04, just run command "update-manager -d"

[@SZF123456]

And then do a full install anyway because upgrading never works fully, always some odd issue

[@christ6991]

24.04 fails to install on bootloader

[@rallealyt]

I updated 4 different machines (only two had the same hardware) from Ubuntu 23.10 to Ubuntu 24.04 Beta, using terminal, with zero problems.

[@patryn36]

Unless flathub has redesigned the way it interfaces with multiple drive computers then it is useless to me, their directions to fix that did not work at all since it still did not see the drive that i have my steam library on separate from the os.

[@BrixTalk]

only old tools not working with Wayland and KDE? Wayland rendered AUDACITY basically unusable for me. The fix was to go back to X11.

[@michael_tunnell]

I did not say it was the only possibility for issues, but rather I said that’s all that happened to me.

[@BrixTalk]

@@michael_tunnell I wonder, am I doing anything wrong? Does audacity and it's main cursor work for you with kde and wayland?

[@michael_tunnell]

I dont have an answer for you because I do not use Audacity, I do not think it is that good. I use it only when I have to. Have you tried the fork Tenacity? That might work better.

[@BrixTalk]

@@michael_tunnell hi, I didn't know that this exists. Unfortunately I also didn't find a package for opensuse

[@michael_tunnell]

doesnt look like it is packaged for opensuse but there is a verified Flatpak at flathub.org/apps/org.tenacityaudio.Tenacity again, not saying this is a solution, I have no idea lol

[@johanb.7869]

Life begins at 40 they say😋

[@Sunrise-d819i2]

Honestly distro's breaking compatibly becoming trend these days like ubuntu breaking debs for snaps is not only bad, its toxic an only growing. Xwayland should be stranded for all wayland installs. It don't matter if software is not newest. Compatibility should be uphold stranded for new display servers as its main purpose is to display not break apps. This thread is only making linux seem less appealing to outsiders. The whole purpose of linux was freedom to use whatever you want to use as well with many gaming apps that is driving the user base up makes old saying "just choose distro you like an enjoy" simplicity will die out. This isn't only bad, We are taking steps backwards.

[@Sunrise-d819i2]

older native games still only run on X11 an many games just get ported to linux to run native then forgotten.

[@michael_tunnell]

Thanks for commenting and sharing your thoughts. Breaking compatibility is certainly not good but in some ways it can be good in the long run like with trying to push Wayland forward for example. I dont think it is fair to say that Ubuntu is breaking debs for snaps though because they arent breaking debs necessarily, but instead they are focused on snaps because debs do have massive flaws and these flaws need something to address them. I like flatpaks better but snaps are bettter than debs in some ways. If you are referring to the app center not installing deb files anymore, they didnt do that for years even when the Software Center was DEB based because it is a different purpose. The Mac App Store doesnt launch when installed DMG files and Windows Store doesnt launch when EXE files are installed. Ubuntu's App Center doesnt have to support DEB files that are downloaded from the internet in my opinion, but they do need to support them in some way which is why they should just install "gdebi" by default. gdebi sole purpose is to install local deb files which is similar to how Mac has a DMG utility. I'd be okay with that. Compatibility on the other hand can't be provided forever . . . otherwise every Linux distro wouldn't be able to drop support for 32 bit hardware. 64 bit hardware has been the goto for 20 years and 32bit hardware isnt made anymore so keeping compatibility with those on new distro releases would be unnecessary but some people got really mad because they wanted to keep using super old hardware. As for Wayland, they are trying to make things work which is why people have been working on it for around 16 years but it takes time. For direct comparison sake, it took X 22 years to become a solid option for those looking to use Linux. Display Server timelines: First release: X = 1984 Wayland = 2008 The point of which Linux became a solid option for a large amount of people was around 2006. X had been out for 22 years and X11 had been out for 19 years at this time . . . yes X11 was the last major version of X and it was released in 1987. There is a reason it needs replacing.

[@fuseteam]

Did hear that right? Bazzite has steamdeck support......

[@tulsatrash]

The pak it flat.

[@Alec-k3h]

🤨

[@AhmedMohammed23]

just installed fedora 40 kde except for lenovo fingerprint sensor i'm very happy man

[@GabrielGabeRodriguez]

Using fprint-open on popos, I'm sure it's the same for fedora

[@AhmedMohammed23]

@@GabrielGabeRodriguez taking up your advice after research i found out my device (goodix fingerprint device) is on the unsupported list for fprint thanks anyway

[@AhmedMohammed23]

@@GabrielGabeRodriguez after some research i found out that my fedora comes with fprint but it doesn't support my sensor it's listed in their page for unsupported devices thanks anyway

[@ganuilek]

🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰

[@ShaunakHub]

I am curious to know about this obsession with yaml files for configuration. For a layman like me (and I think Linux as a community should try to grab more people like me if it wants to gain more market share since we are greater than 99% of users 😀) it is often very tough to write it / copy paste and then edit it as one extra / less space here and there and the config wont work. I wonder why people haven't thought about a better option... It is kind of funny how Nextcloud stole the thunder from the big boys (Ubuntu & Fedora) with their release!

[@willcoder]

God I hate YAML when it's longer than one screen, or with more than 3-4 levels of indentation.... It's seriously fragile, and config doesn't need more ways to break.

[@fishofthepeople]

I heard Github Colorado

[@russelmendoza]

The passive aggressive tone against Ubuntu!

[@michael_tunnell]

LOL what?! At what point in the video was I passive aggressive? I think you are just seeing me being tired but I’m curious where you see it that way

[@llomellamomario]

"Flathub is the appstore for linux" Well, and most of them are, for the lack of a more succint and less ahole way of saying it, a blight and a pest that should be erradicated. Sorry but it only has made me confirm the decision to steer away from it.