Felisa, Fang of Silverquill | Commander Deck Tech

Really digging this Felisa build. Hopefully it doesn't get ruined by the combo I discovered.
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[@lokidragon8725]

Lol I'm just imaging what the creature who shows up after the board wipe would look like with the ozolith in play! Yeah this creature has a charge counter, three Ki counters, two level up counters, five spore counters and three Debt counters. Opponent: What's its toughness now? You: Still a zero/two.

[@Igor-fv8ki]

Found your channel while i was looking for C21 content. And i must say, got really amused by the way you look and think about cards and deckbuilding. It's really refreshing after seeing almost every EDH youtuber thinking almost like the same among themselves. Instantly subscribed!

[@edhdeckbuilding]

thanks man. i'm just doing it my own way. just so happens to be different than everyone else.

[@gsn66slayer6]

The best channel for deck and card info!!

[@patricklynch4074]

I was limiting myself to 1 1 counters cuz i didnt realize it said counters and not just 1/1 counters! So glad i watched this, ive been misreading it

[@AXBA92]

wow this looks really really strong! Never thought it could become this interesting when I first read the card.

[@thereluctanthireling]

You're knowledge of cards and interactions is really amazing, I love how you see the game. This is amazing and I'm so excited to build Felisa, I was looking at a lot of the cards mentioned, but awesome suggestion on the level up cards. Great work as always.

[@ImaginationHobbies]

3 mins in and I'm sold! Great build!!!

[@DrexSinister]

This deck looks super sick, so many different types of counters I had no clue existed. Definitely building something very similar to this.

[@dasbrot3470]

Very good and informative Deck Tech. Thank you for Vespain and Icatian Moneychanger as well, they work very well with Felisa.

[@fumin2689]

i been wanting a great deck tech on this. thanks

[@sindur3446]

Crazy how many of these cards I was already looking at for Felisa. I guess it’s officially Demo approved lol

[@edhdeckbuilding]

great minds think alike!

[@3GearsTurning]

I think the Felisa/Phyrexian Devourer combo is a cool big flashy combo, but not as broken as you think Your deck requires Felisa to stay on the board, and once people realize that they will target your Commander as quickly as they can (I have the same issue with my Teysa, Orzhov Scion deck) The other is that when you do make 50 tokens, they all don't have haste and being in black/white they won't gain it, so your opponents get one more turn to deal with you or your board

[@joshhutchins6747]

If your playgroup is one that runs tons of removal you would just tune the deck to run protection. Greaves, Boots and tons of protection can be had in White. I think you're overestimating his underestimation 😂

[@joshhutchins6747]

Also Vedalken Orrery and utilizing your instant speed sac outlets is great against boardwipes, almost all of which are sorcery speed.

[@3GearsTurning]

@@joshhutchins6747 Yeah like anyone is going to let a Vedalkin Orrery stay on the field. Also just because there is protection doesn't mean that one blue and one green players across the table are letting that Terferi Protection be cast or instantly destroying the boots when it hits table. The combo is late game stuff, it is not going to win games early and that's if it goes off

[@bigmacmm5]

I have an icatian moneychanger! Everyone thought it was bad, and now look!

[@Hdhhdhdjfjdndndskmdjdjddjdjjd]

Custodi Soulbinders are great in these silverquil decks.

[@Bargadiel]

Ghave just got a new buddy

[@bludude2591]

Bro Kathril would pop off Bc she cares about stuff in the graveyard

[@jafafafa9206]

Blood crazed paladin would be good boardwipe insurance.

[@Phavahg]

Many of the Clockwork creatures work great with this deck. They come into play with +1/+1 counters already on them (typically 4), so they make Inklings quickly. Inklings are great, but add Divine Visitation and you're cranking out 4/4 Angels with Vigilance instead. Citadel Siege (add 2 +1/+1 counters at the beginning of your combat) and Duelist Heritage (give one of your attackers Double Strike) are also big assists and they're already in the C21 deck. Once opponents realize what you're doing, they really don't want to kill your creatures with counters on them (especially Clockwork Hydra), and so just let them through -- so make sure you have a way to sacrifice them when you're ready.

[@tempestandacomputer6951]

I WAS gonna build Breena, but you are really encouraging me to build Felisa lol

[@dislikebutton9571]

vish kal, blood arbiter is hilarious with felisa, you can sac your whole board and make him gigantic and then sac himself to his own ability to get your death trigger from felisa. or just keep him around as a giant lifelink flyer that can be cheap instant speed emergency removal at the cost of his counters

[@garreths627]

Cathar’s crusade would be quite 🔥

[@TheRandomeDud3]

I’m surprised you didn’t have Felidar Retreat in there, whenever you play a land, put a +1/+1 counter on each creature. Aside from that, this is fantastic

[@edhdeckbuilding]

i didn't really go with the +1/+1 counter theme at all.

[@TheRandomeDud3]

@@edhdeckbuilding that makes sense, but if you’re swinging wide with inklings, then those counters really add up

[@oxpolitik]

Trade Caravan and Clockwork Swarm are also great in this deck.

[@marianocolsin8968]

You should put this 2 mana artifact that gives all your multicolor creatures +1/+1, and obviously Teyza Karlov gives you twice that many tokens and gives them lifelink and vigilance

[@augmentedlinguist4674]

I'm assuming your referring to Glass of the Guildpact correct?

[@marianocolsin8968]

@@augmentedlinguist4674 yeah that thing

[@chuckster1988]

does throne of the god pharaoh + phyrexian devourer + Felisa potentially win you the game....sooner? Awesome content man, keep it up. Was gonna go vampire tribal with this deck but you've changed my mind.

[@KallowayMoviesProd]

I'm stunned by the fact Jotun Grunt exists :o

[@edhdeckbuilding]

it actually got reprinted in a commander set.

[@JadeHex]

Trying to make an Edric-style Breena deck, found a few gems in this vid to add to that, so kudos there

[@edhdeckbuilding]

i might also be doing a breena deck tech. not sure yet how many 2021 deck techs i want to do though.

[@martinpowell6300]

Dusk Urchins is a good fit for the deck you get card draw when it dies and draw cards

[@alexgossett4349]

Idk what you have planned but I would love to see your take on Ruxa, Patient Professor! Trying to build it myself but not really sure the best way to go.

[@edhdeckbuilding]

oh boy. i'll add it to the list. i do have some ideas.

[@dahuntre]

Loving all the fringe cards this makes use of, instead of just another +1/+1 counter deck And not to be that guy, but “ki” is pronounced like “key” Keep up the good work!

[@edhdeckbuilding]

i had a feeling i was saying it wrong.

[@dahuntre]

When most foreign languages use their own sets of pronunciations, it’s inevitable. I only know this one because i lived in Japan for a couple years in high school. One way the Japanese language is nice is that pronunciations of vowels are consistent, so any time you see the letter I it sounds the same.

[@harbinger6045]

What about Teysa, Orzhov Scion? I mean she doesn't use counters but she could be a payoff by sacing the black/white inklings to remove any threat and still replaces them with White spirits.

[@ajd74]

I think this deck is should run The Ozolith. It may have some issues with having both +1/+1 and -1/-1 counters, but should still be very strong.

[@edhdeckbuilding]

it's in there.

[@hwfjj1989]

Unfortunately phyrexian devourer can only be highest cmc in the deck + 5 maximum. That is because the effect itself sacrifices him when ever he gets past 7 power. So don't matter if you respond to the trigger with more triggers all you would be doing is eating the cards from your deck for possibly max cmc + 5 counters

[@hwfjj1989]

Nevermind the trigger from the ability was errataed from the card so it would work.

[@edhdeckbuilding]

that's what i thought. thanks for the second-guessing though, i wasn't sure myself.

[@gougoule1512]

Not sure about the Phyrexian Devourer combo works and erratas it got, but don't you have have to sacrifice it the moment it gets 7 power ? Is it part of its second ability, or can you respond it by sacrificing again ?

[@edhdeckbuilding]

it's a trigger. so it uses the stack. anything that uses the stack can be responded to. this is from gatherer: "Phyrexian Devourer’s first ability continually checks its power as a state trigger. Once it triggers, it won’t trigger again as long as the ability is on the stack. If the ability is countered and the trigger condition is still true, it will immediately trigger again. If the ability resolves, you’ll have to sacrifice Phyrexian Devourer even if its power has been reduced to 6 or less by then." so i'm quite certain it works.

[@gougoule1512]

@@edhdeckbuilding Ok thanks, I just wondered if the 7-power check was part of the mill ability. That's a unique design for sure...

[@edhdeckbuilding]

from the comments i've seen so far, it does work.

[@Vequinox]

@@edhdeckbuilding @Gougoule The errata text is different from the version of the card he shows in the video. It's actually: "When Phyrexian Devourer’s power is 7 or greater, sacrifice it. Exile the top card of your library: Put X +1/+1 counters on Phyrexian Devourer, where X is the exiled card’s mana value." So the exile ability does not have the sacrifice reference at all in it, so you can keep using it even with a sacrifice trigger on the stack. It should not sacrifice itself as part of a resolution of an exile trigger

[@chrysmurphy3974]

@@edhdeckbuilding I don't think it does, yes the first ability triggers and sits on the stack but with the second ability, the last sentence is the key info. Every time the second ability resolves, as part of its resolution it checks if the devourer's power is now 7 or more and then forces the sacrifice as part of the resolution. So yes, you can activate it multiple times but the first time the ability resolves and the power is 7 or more you are forced to sacrifice it as part of the resolution. There is no window to activate it again as the sac is part of the resolution.

[@boonsaplenty3924]

I forgot that Felisa has Mentor, that's one of my favorite abilities!

[@BFG93]

Ammit Eternal is must have for this deck will kill itself with 5 -1/-1 counters on it as players cast spells.

[@paulmark9771]

I know these arnt 2021 commander stuff but i was curious what do you think of volrath the shape stealer with “it that betrays, phyrexian obliterator, agent of treachery” in with emergent ultimatum? (I know “it that betrays” doesnt work with emergent ultimatum but i love it that betrays) Also absolutely love the video’s!!! Youve shown me a ton of cool and interesting cards to spice my decks up with.

[@edhdeckbuilding]

i have a volrath deck, and it's tons of fun. kzbin.info/www/bejne/aKK5p6KdmdZ1b7s

[@uncursed6583]

Doesn't a -1/-1 counter and a +1/+1 counter even them self out, so your +1/+1 creatures die without any counters to Black Sun's Zenith? Im not sure if that is a Thinge or I wrongly remembered.

[@devineyre5545]

Pretty sure you're right

[@edhdeckbuilding]

correct. they cancel each other out. so you have to be careful with that. that's why i put as many creatures as i could that have other kinds of counters.

[@joshhutchins6747]

Weird, I just assume he meant hit your other creatures that are running the (normally) jank counters

[@coreyroberson4550]

No, actually. Rule 704.8 reads "If a state-based action results in a permanent leaving the battlefield at the same time other state-based actions were performed, that permanent’s last known information is derived from the game state before any of those state-based actions were performed." As an example, if a creature with undying has a +1/+1 counter and then gets hit by a Black Sun's Zenith big enough to kill it, the last known information says it had both kinds of counters, so it can't come back with undying. Which means that Felisa would also see all of the counters (+1/+1 and -1/-1) and reward you with that many Inklings.

[@coreyroberson4550]

@@edhdeckbuilding They cancel each other out when state-base effects are checked, which usually results in a counter-less creature on the battlefield. But if they are already dead, Rule 704.8 states that you use last known information, which includes both the +1/+1 counters and the -1/-1 counters. It's really good with Felisa.

[@nr.12]

If ur deckideas-list stil has room, i wonder how you'd build a deck around Palisade Giant. Making her indestructible was the first "combo" i came across all by myself, so i might be a little impartial towards the idea. ps: i think monarch cards would make a great fit.

[@edhdeckbuilding]

protector of the crown would be a great fit.

[@budaclees233]

And here I was about to sell my Teysa deck.

[@Havok.93]

If an effect would give my creature -X/-X until end of turn (Like Retribution of the Ancients) while Felisa is on my board, then would I still make tokens equal to the amount of +1/+1 counters on it before the -X/-X? Or does -X/-X remove +1/+1 counters?

[@edhdeckbuilding]

it does not. -1/-1 counters and +1/+1 counters cancel each other out and are removed as a state-based effect. but just giving -x/-x through some other means does not. you still get your inklings.

[@fabianstaes4176]

Wait, where is the ozolith, wouldn't this be an auto include?

[@joshhutchins6747]

I do agree with this, Ozolith is just gross in this deck

[@edhdeckbuilding]

yep it's in the decklist. just didn't mention it.

[@nobodyfromnowwhere7510]

No Cathar's crusade?

[@edhdeckbuilding]

wow everyone loves that card. you're like the 5th person to mention it. yeah i just don't play it. i'm sure it's great in the deck though.

[@NicholasVella]

Very nice tech but I still cannot wrap my head around the low land count.

[@edhdeckbuilding]

i never put more than 34 in a deck. 33 in a green deck. lands are dead draws late in the game.

[@wolfyace5150]

I went with Modular creatures get to kill them off get inklings and pass off the counters to a new artifact creature slap newest Tesa Karlov to double the triggers for that magical Christmas land play rest of the deck is artifact matters they no longer inkling token they oilings

[@jeverly]

Yeah if you buff up Phyrexian devourer on your opponent's end step and then sac it on that same end step right before your untap you could just untap your 50+ inklings and swing with them right away?? You wouldn't even have to give all your opponents a turn?

[@edhdeckbuilding]

correct, but you have to cast the devourer, then wait till the end step. so they do have an opportunity to stop you.

[@jeverly]

@@edhdeckbuilding Oh I see what you mean yeah that's pretty nasty

[@Cezako]

walking balista is globaly an infinite combo machine with many cards sadly :(

[@YJEdison]

Sorry to say but you’re overreacting. Lots of token but no haste doesn’t win the game most of the time. If Felisa was Mardu, then you got right to overreact