"FEMALE SHOULD FIGHT MALES, remove all categories." - Trans athletes

[@AbaNPreach]

10:35 is an important point about this discussion. Sexe =/= Gender and folks need to understand that difference. Sports aint about gender, its about Sexe. So whilst people can acknowledge the Gender you identify with, you cannot change your sexe. Sports has NOTHING to do with your gender expression, stop bringing it up.

[@kennymolloy9817]

Nice video g

[@66666Ray]

Truths

[@nimrodthewise836]

I reject that definition.

[@bnashtay2278]

@@nimrodthewise836 why

[@jaden.3155]

@@nimrodthewise836 elaborate.

[@zamzyr870]

The only thing this discussion by Jubilee taught me was that many trans advocates have no respect for women's rights.

[@trulyloved870]

Thank you

[@guwu4479]

Exactly

[@LosRockson]

The slow and painful deletion of the woman.

[@WavyJayZ]

It's men encroaching on women's rights. It's men saying "hey I'm a women too acknowledge me" when they're just wearing a costume.

[@DELTA-ib2iu]

No one does. If it's not pushing for equal treatment for everyone, it's not pushing for any form of equality.

[@mywifeleftmesonowimayoutub7729]

The fact this is even a conversation is scary.

[@bunet7330]

Fr bro they tweaking

[@gp5390]

Not sure if it's scary, really. It's obvious that as our societal view of gender changes, we have to have these complex conversations.

[@afrolore7462]

@@gp5390 it's not complex conversation weirdos have taken over and make believe has become facts

[@OhHayFrands]

@@gp5390 it’s not complex, and we don’t have to have the conversations because the science was settled looooong ago. Stop trying to deny reality.

[@Llmonty_]

@@gp5390 translation: as we become more delusional, we waste more time with meaningless conversations like these when it shouldn't even be a question

[@jhart1127]

Even if you're trans, you are admitting you are in the *wrong body*. You must recognise that your body is different therefore to the gender you claim to be.

[@maria-sd3lo]

We’re talking about people who don’t use common sense this is too much for them😂😂😂😂😂

[@kds9614]

Wonderful point!!!! Spot on!!!

[@lydiarouse8241]

Exactly. But a lot of this community lacks logic and reasoning

[@briangatt2956]

Bet they can't say what a woman is but they know what a trans woman is..

[@darkzeroprojects4245]

@@maria-sd3lo We have that with "normal" people dude.

[@markcruz9315]

“No matter what I do in a sport people will always assume I have an advantage” says the big armed, green haired giant

[@TheRealHerbaSchmurba]

Right?

[@Godisabsolutelygood]

It is extremely sad that we have an entire generation of people who believe that their FEELINGS override objective TRUTH.

[@k.d.6881]

I’m saying bro, if we speak truth, we get cancelled. We can get so liberal we ignore facts, tired of this group think. I support Trans rights but gah damn, combat sports? Bro that can work at the elementary way, but put a woman heavy weight against a male heavy weight, the woman is getting seriously hurt. I don’t get these arguments like, why can’t people express truth without getting cancelled. We can’t everything we want in America and we gotta stop acting like we can. Sensitive topic, but damn; we gotta stop this

[@ma1ne0520]

I know people use the participation trophy analogy, but it's really true. When everyone believes they're a winner without having to earn anything, they become entitled and believe that what they feel is all that matters.

[@NotAdultingToday]

Or who think feelings are more valid then actual facts. And in this case, biology.

[@yonab8649]

No, overrides Nature.

[@liebeasta3332]

Me: Trying to have a logical argument Them: I feel... Me:🤦🏾‍♂️

[@j.j.714]

There’s an interview with Serena Williams in which she says she’d lose against a male player because there are differences in the mechanics of it all. I believe she, as one of the best tennis players in the world, most likely knows what she’s talking about.

[@CptVein]

Ya. I think she said she's rank low 200 in the men category or something like that.

[@Ellivation]

So why was everyone so upset when McEnroe said it some years back?!

[@chrismayher617]

Exactly theirs examples in a lot of sports.Anyone remember in the golfing world when Michelle Wie played on the men’s tour or one of the best women golfers of all time Annika Sorenstam.Michelle Wie ended five strokes shy of even qualifying and Annika actually ended tied first in an event for driving accuracy but ended 85th for driving distance

[@jayjee735]

@@Ellivation because mist who disagreed with him support gender identity ideology

[@potiguaya5201]

She said that because she experienced it. Before she said she could beat any male player. Then a 203 rd rank male tennis player beat her and her sister badly 6-1 and 6-2. The man didn't have the best shape, have been neglecting his training and still won. He said that in his condition, his rank should be below 300.

[@user-ld2qx5yw3h]

I interned in college at my local LGBT center. The director was celebrating the ability for trans people to play sports. When I brought up the biological advantage after puberty, she said, "You're right! That's why we work so hard to get them transitioning before puberty." I felt sick.

[@copeenthuisiast5453]

Im unironically transphobic

[@maglerdon]

@@copeenthuisiast5453 phobia implies an irrational fear of or aversion to something. There’s nothing irrational about being averse to some of these beings. Just repulsive in every aspect

[@copeenthuisiast5453]

@@maglerdon true ur right on this one

[@ashasenjutv9079]

Rather be transphobic whatever that meant for them, than an effing child abuser. Man this is messed up

[@Lorvina1]

Some of them have become fanatics.

[@guidomista8448]

As someone who studies a lot about pharmacology and endocrinology. Even after years of HRT, Male to Female trans women still have almost double the amount of testosterone than the average woman. The one swimmer, who won first place in NCAA, had her blood work done and even after years of HRT, she still had about 112 ng/dL of testosterone in her blood, compared to the average woman on the higher end of the spectrum having 70 ng/dL. And there are compounds that can help flatline the Test, but I'll keep it 100 with yall, flatlining your test as a biological male is more stress than most trans people would want. The mental side effects alone would be enough to want to stop treatment. It's not worth it just to be on an even playing ground with women. Not to mention physical traits anyways.

[@Goldenretriever-k8m]

They can take blockers though, but even then, they still have more muscle mass, lung capacity, the bone structure for speed, than cis women after two years in HRT in a study.

[@ViciousLtv]

They actually represented the Trans folk well, because this is their entire argument. There's no deep intellectual argument to support their ideology. It's really just based off their feelings and anecdotal experiences. This is truly the best you'll get.

[@doyouknowdaway65]

True

[@whatchyagonnado]

There are some (not sure how many) trans people that agree that mens and womens sports should stay separate (there is a video with Caitlyn Jenner's comments on it, for example). There are some trans athletes that still compete with others of the same biological sex

[@doyouknowdaway65]

@@whatchyagonnado the problem is those who take suppressants now have a disadvantage and those to take supplements now have the advantage. I don't think it's still entirely fair

[@doyouknowdaway65]

@@whatchyagonnado in general I do see what you mean tho

[@cubingspeed6933]

[Notice these advocates can't outright identify their points consistently only bc like all of woketivist's doctrine, they eat their own! They need vague language and talking points to enable their emotional reactions with projected feelings to force their views on the world to accept insanity or you're an -ist or a -phobe! Jenner knows, and ever since the other pro-transitioners know better than to sit down to outline and campaign logically for removing categories and labels!✌🏼💊]

[@Taniesha_S]

I can't believe we are still debating this. Logic has been canceled lol.

[@BBCakes333]

Logic doesn't exist anymore. Might as well be a 4 letter word.💯

[@nelly._.8128]

Nah at this point I 100% think that they know that it’s unfair and they just don’t give a fuck.

[@dontrailtyson8405]

@@nelly._.8128 I agree

[@celerispaghetti7495]

@@nelly._.8128 they know it's unfair but it hurts their feelings and that's what matters. So I guess all women records are over

[@manuelper]

Yep and I'm supposed to refer to that dude as a 'she' because his brain feels like a woman, lol. Shizz crazy

[@Loonasilver]

I was a national level swimmer. I started competition at 9years old, which means i went through intensive training throughout my entire puberty, resulting on me having broader shoulders, longer arms, bigger feet, more muscle mass and bigger lungs than the normal female. I still easily lost against the weakest male in our team. I was the best at long distance and a disgrace on short so many times I competed on the mixed category of 1500m (female category only goes as far as 800m) and no single female could surpass the slowest guys

[@mashamitchell9574]

As a former female athlete, I would have been pissed if this happened when I was younger. I'm glad I grew up pre internet.

[@colin4707]

I'm a trans man and when I have brought up this topic with people and tried to explain why trans women have an unfair advantage, I've been told I have internalized transphobia lol, you're not allowed to have a logical discussion about this topic

[@skylarmccloud4080]

Thank You, and if you disagree with what they say you're Transphobic. Phobic: As in Phobia meaning the strong Irrational Fear of something. So I have a strong Irrational fear of you, if I disagree with you? It's used and without even knowing the meaning. I think the word they're looking for is Bigot or Self hating Transman. Yet still not the case with you being Transgender, Internalized Transphobia, would mean you're strongly irrationally afraid of yourself. Then Finally If you're Phobic of transmen, then why would you go through everything it takes to become one. That's like a person who's phobic of apes Cosplaying King Kong. OMG how do you live with yourself being so afraid of yourself. Are you ever worried that you would Oppress, and or commit a hate crime against yourself? lol People are Idiots no?

[@bswogger4656]

Thanks, as if your opinion should be dismissed for any excuse. What is “internalized transphobia”? Glad you spoke up, next they call you a “radical” of some kind.

[@YouTubechannel-xp1tx]

Am black but because of my conservative political views I have been labelled a 'white supremacist pawn' by the SJWs, being woke is basically being irrational.

[@GameOnMe]

i was called transphobic for the same reason. it's mostly transfemale crazy enough to go that hard

[@xiijinpingthesupremeleader1349]

@@KZbinchannel-xp1tx finaly someone understood.

[@augustbrown9711]

I love how they say, “I don’t agree” after hearing a literal scientific fact.

[@skylarmccloud4080]

Just like Jerry Disagreed that Pluto is not a Planet.

[@Dontcallmebruh]

That’s this new generation. Facts and science= opinions. I don’t get it. It’s terrifying

[@dubkonnection3420]

@@Dontcallmebruh Whats exactly science ? Science 50 years ago advised tobacco and heroín to cure your lungs and throat , science is evolving every day and It changes their axioms very often , so again which science are you talking about that we must follow and Believe ?

[@Siddharth-94]

@@dubkonnection3420 the same science that differentiate between sex

[@dubkonnection3420]

@@ThatControlUser that doesnt changes my point

[@sackofangrybadgers]

Aba described the difference between biology and gender so beautifully and respectfully. I've never heard anyone else word it quite this way but it was absolute perfect wording. Loved this video thanks for posting!

[@coyotej4895]

I am a Genetic Male. I was found to be Gender Dysphoric at age five. (Being native I was told I was "of two spirits") All my life I had Over tight tendons and long legs so by the time I was 13 I was hitting near Olympic times in the 440 and relays. In Highschool I was deciding whether or not to transition and thus I had to have a talk with the track coach. I was told that it would be awkward as far as locker room privileges, but I would be welcome to run for the girls' team. I was raised with the knowledge that boys/Men and girls/Women were built different and it was immoral for boys to compete against girls in many sports so I opted to quit track despite how much it would have been good for my Self-image as a girl. I knew that ultimately; I would be taking so much away from the girls and that would not help me gain any perches in the pear group I was trying to get in to. Girls would not be accepting of me taking from them and my own wins would all be hallow and pointless. Girls, Ladies, if you are put into a position where you are "Expected" to compete like this Walk on to the track or mat whatever and as soon as the gun sounds or the whistle blows Sit Down Cross your arms and calmly Say No and offer the trans person the opportunity to talk about it thus offering them some acceptance. Tell them You train as hard as them and so by them competing with a clear advantage they are Stealing from you your opportunities and if that is how they think they will ever gain acceptance in to the one pear group they want most, they are mistaken. Be kind but stand up for yourself. Know that not all of us have lost our minds and we support and Respect (and envy) You.

[@tyslink]

Wow...thank you for being honest about this! I'm sure it's been hard for you in many aspects of life, but that's very honorable of you to recognize the huge advantage you would likely have if you transitioned and started competing against girls/women. That's mainly the problem I think most people have with it (I won't speak for everyone as I know a lot of people are just hateful), that it would be unfair to the cis girls/women that didn't get to go through puberty as a male, and only then start taking hormone suppressants. I honestly feel that trans-athletes deserve to compete, but I feel that some considerations need to be made so that it can still be fair to all involved!

[@MindfulAttraction]

If you let women play with men not one woman will get drafted in the nba, but if you let men play with women you'll have Tyrone number one, Jamal number 2, Tyson number 3 and etc. It'll be all men. men will eventually replace women if people were actually picking them based on their skills

[@vanderumd11]

This is obvious lil

[@UnwantedFoe]

Oh look, the entire WNBA is now the TWNBA

[@khdcraven]

in 2017 the USA women's soccer team lost 5-2 to a boys UNDER-15 team in a scrimmage. in 2014, a high school boys hockey team beat the women's USA team 2-1 in OT. there's obvious, biological reasons that men and women don't play together yet this is somehow controversial...

[@ChimObiajulu]

Brilliant!

[@uncleelroy6353]

That is 100% correct hence why the WNBA no longer exist

[@goldenisisthehealingtruth3038]

I am a very strong woman, I fought men in the Military during training because of my strength. I am also a domestic violence victim and my strength did not save me, there are lines that cannot be crossed. Their arguments were ridiculous, this conversation is a mixture of confusion and bs.

[@ledbetter1226]

I'm sorry about what you went through. On that note, Training is exactly what it is, its training. When you were fighting men in the military, they are not trying to kill you, its not a life or death situation. When a female who did in fact train with men, fights a man who is actually trying to cause bodily harm and possibly kill her, its a entirely different scenario. Same thing in sports, they may train with men, but when it comes down to the "Nitty Gritty" or the "Real Deal" you have to factor in things like True absolute strength, Adrenaline, Bone density, lung capacity, ETC.

[@nunusakura5643]

I hope you're okay❤

[@goldenisisthehealingtruth3038]

@@nunusakura5643 day by day honey I get better

[@nunusakura5643]

@@goldenisisthehealingtruth3038 I'm glad, stay strong you're beautiful💖

[@goldenisisthehealingtruth3038]

@@nunusakura5643 thank you 🙏🏼 you are so sweet 🥲

[@StefWells]

I'm trans and i agree with the woman in pink. once you've gone through puberty, the bodies are just different. I fully believe respect goes both ways. I don't know if there's some kind of a full body check to really see what weight or group of sport a person can fit in.

[@willbedford8381]

For real, muscle memory, base muscle mass all that.. It doesn't ever completely go away no matter what hormones you're on

[@EmptyAltruism]

Thanks for being reasonable, I respect that. So many people aren’t these days, it’s all about tribalism and vying for control. Appreciate you

[@lydiarouse8241]

Thank you

[@dillis2188]

The body is _always_ different - puberty isn't the deadline everyone is making it out to be and I feel that should be clear; we are different down to our skeletal structures and even the ways our brains develop.

[@CellaDragon]

If and or when enough Trans athletes exist to allow full blown separate categories this topic will always be a hot button issue. As a trans woman I lost muscle, however; I still know on average I’m much stronger than the average woman & for that reason I have ZERO desire to compete/fight against a woman. I swear this issue is doing NOTHING but just hurting Trans acceptance. I get it if I was into sports & transitioned, the desire to still compete would be there but should I? Absolutely not on a ranked match, friendly non competitive setting, sure… but ranked? No, it’s not fair as simple as that. It ain’t discrimination or bigotry or whatever, it just is what it is for Christ sake. Also they never wanna have people like me on videos like that because I’m not talking nonsense and just “Yas points”they wanna hear

[@mojojojo560]

Look man, everyone deserves to be heard. That doesn’t mean everyone should be considered a reliable source of information. I kinda feel like asking a trans female athlete about this is like asking the tobacco companies if smoking is harmful. There’s a conflict of interest.

[@NotAnotherKuromi]

I agree but equally there are trans people who aknowledge the advantage of trans women & they are ignored or woke people say they somehow don't count as being LGBT because of wrong think.

[@Krikitt]

I was thinking the same thing. It’s not like the trans athletes are gonna say, “well yeah, of course it’s unfair for the others I compete against, but I don’t care.”

[@myguychris7739]

Why are you guys using logic? You know we don't do that anymore 🙃

[@jgw9990]

@@NotAnotherKuromi yeah but its a trans ATHLETE. Someone with an obvious interest. A normal trans person would have been fine, but this is obviously a problem to include an athlete. If they were committed to neutrality then a bio female athlete should have been included to balance it.

[@nirvarene25us]

@@myguychris7739 lol

[@addictofanimation2923]

I think the most awkward part about this entire thing is that they tried to change the definition of gender for their own benefit when the word was originally created so that people wouldn't have to say the word sex because it reminded them too much of the sexual activity. Back in the day that was considered inappropriate to talk about in public and that's why they came up with the word gender instead. They are both technically supposed to mean the same thing, it's just that one of them is safer to say in public. Now they want to tear all of that down and they're angry that they're getting push back for it.

[@thelastmotel]

I have met a poor/mediocre athlete, who never quite got anywhere, never won anything, and he is genuinely considering transitioning to female, so he'll finally win something.

[@slicknicktheruler1315]

Being a former athlete I hate the fact they won’t acknowledge the fact that yes you may work hard on your sport, but that dose not change the fact that some walls can not be climbed on hard work alone.

[@revathimuralidharan7753]

YUP. As a natural female powerlifter that’s in one of the lower weight classes, I would never want to compete with someone on PEDs, someone bigger than me, or someone biologically male. I work my a$$ off day in and day out but there is just no denying that people in the categories I mentioned have a SIGNIFICANT advantage over my 5’2” biologically female “unenhanced” frame! Notice how the sports they mentioned were things like equestrian sports and roller derby and not strength sports. And notice how in weightlifting the trans woman won. No disrespect and I absolutely affirm whatever gender people want to identify as, but there’s just no wiggle room on this with sports!

[@reginaldsimms199]

So... It's really about talent and your natural tendency to fit well into that type of athleticism

[@mcfry13]

Its because they aren't really athletes themselves and have never faced that barrier

[@GrumpyGrebo]

Some people are born with talent. To get to the same level, other people must hone their skills. It is possible to hone your skills past the level of somebody with raw untrained talent. When somebody with talent hones their skills and gets trained talents, you aren't going to compete with them using skills alone. That's the nature of competition. To make sports fairer, as many external/immutable characteristics are removed as practically possible. Applying this into the context of male and female sports, male have natural "talent" when it comes to skeletal muscle output power generation rate and relaxation/recovery rates, bone density, circulatory throughput. This is embedded in genes such as the myosin heavy chain gene. Hormones absolutely cannot change this. Females can compete with males if they work disproportionately harder than their male counterparts, that is the exception not the rule. That does not mean it should become the new norm. To defeat this argument take it to its extremes... Mike Tyson fighting a quadriplegic woman.

[@Joshua-gv1ep]

If you took 100 million people and made them all train like Usain Bolt, there would still only be one Usain Bolt. At the top level of these crafts genetic potential becomes a variable. Males have much more genetic potential for sports performance naturally.

[@kasee8620]

Did that guy really praise a 10 year-old girl for beating other 10 year-old boys at wrestling?? THEIR BODIES ARE BASICALLY THE SAME! Laughable argument.

[@mentoriii3475]

Ikr its that age when males start producing testosterone and you start noticing difference day by day especially when they reach 17

[@catherinerobilliard7662]

The boy went on to win later bouts - puberty wins

[@saileshnaidu8102]

True lol, i beat a 15 year old when i was frikkin 9

[@radhiadeedou8286]

Do they not know what puberty is or are they being disingenuous ? Idk what's worse

[@Omo21000]

I think they need to just go back to school 🤣🤡

[@marywemigwase3354]

I’m thankful for the content. Very helpful and provocative . People are afraid of these issues to the point they won’t discuss them out of judgement etc… and the world is low on grace , self respect and respect for others .

[@dougieh3039]

This is common sense. I can't believe we're having this conversation.

[@piranhaplantX]

The "some women are stronger than some men" argument is one of the most annoying arguments I've seen them use. Since it ignores the fact that we're talking about competitive sports, where the high end of any physical spectrum is gathered. In which case male advantages will be even further exaggerated than the norms.

[@Hellsichtig]

100%

[@neku2741]

Some men are stronger than some men too lol

[@steves1015]

@@neku2741 and it looks like the person’s point went right over your head.

[@mercysi2636]

@@steves1015 right lol. Smh God help us all

[@raksh9]

Definitely. Look at the weightlifting records for male and female Olympic athletes. The male records are all higher for each weight class and lift.

[@Aj-michele]

We have men and women’s sports separate for a reason, same for athletes with disabilities, why? To resolve this issue and keep things equal and fair, so why not just have another category for trans athletes? 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@emmanuelgxlden7170]

they don't to the work they just want to hack the system especially trans women

[@VykronianF1]

Bc then they’d have to acknowledge the fact that men are men and women are women and can’t mix

[@tlafeir]

Because they need validation at the expense of others.

[@asamabry]

i heard this same question and someone said there wouldnt be enough trans athletes to do something like that.

[@MarcusM334]

Women want equality when it benefits them

[@davidanderson252]

Aba has a knack for boiling that shit down to the base. I appreciate y'all. Keep being a voice of reason.

[@BKDBut]

I can't believe this was ever a discussion, and I can't believe it still is a discussion.

[@barbarawoods1372]

Maybe slightly off topic, but the fact that so many women believe that men don’t generally have physical advantages is so scary.

[@rodneyjones1991]

Which is weird because there seems to be an overarching fear of men from women because of said physical advantages 🤔

[@aristotle9243]

@@rodneyjones1991 They selective with it.

[@mudsucker1971]

Mad right, i can pick my wife up who has an unfair advantage on the scales. good luck getting her to pick me up.

[@janiesuper3222]

It should scare them more

[@kaze0fox]

I say sometimes you need to allow stupid ideas to take into effect and watch it successfully fall apart to the core. At that point the fool who was adamant about the idea will know the massive error to it.

[@thecount4903]

The guy that crushed Serena was ranked 200 and right before he shutout Serena, he shutout Venus, before that he was drinking while playing a full round of golf all in the same day. lol. There is simply no comparison.

[@mrnumba154]

Tbf if he'd of taken testosterone supressents he'd could of lost but only beacuse he was ranked 200, any other male player in the top 100 or so would of beat her on suppresents easily.

[@travistirey8579]

What an absolute madlad.

[@dosdahrk4504]

Dont forget how stoned and drunk he was during the first game..rt

[@jay-dee5.562]

The dude that beat Serena was also hungover, drinking and smoking cigarettes before the match and in his 40’s😆

[@digimonalvatrax2738]

Damn!

[@davemccage7918]

What did Aba expect? The reason nobody’s bringing a good pro trans athlete argument to the table is because none exist.

[@Hiro.the.God.]

This is a great video. Anyone who argues against what you’re saying is living in a dreamland non reality.

[@ajh.4131]

The girl who said she doesn’t think they shouldn’t be in separate categories….soooo why do we have the Special Olympics then?? 🤔🤔 let’s go ahead and have them compete with able bodied people and see how that works out. There’s a reason for the categories. The unfair advantages/disadvantages which Aba & Preach already explained in the video.

[@jimibones178]

I said the same thing lol

[@edwardkicks6589]

my reasoning for there not being separate categories was different. I am thinking along the lines of there simply not being enough competitors to support it. they are also going to want recognition/time on air and pretty much NOBODY is going to watch it. separate categories would be a waste but you make a great point about the Special Olympics. it gives the disabled a chance to compete, especially when they didnt choose to be disabled

[@theinvisiblewoman5709]

@@edwardkicks6589 well less people will be watching sports if trans people continue to compete against cis people.

[@bellavida8846]

@@edwardkicks6589 there’s enough now

[@lordbyron2544]

@@edwardkicks6589 This is an amazing point actually I agree with as well as the original comment of @A.J.H up there. From a personal perspective I know that people even don't follow the Special Olympics as much as the normal ones, let alone they would follow the transgender Olympics (let's just call it this way atm since I cannot get a better name). This is probably the only point in sports where the general negativity towards transgender people is taking a toll, which would actually be a good argument if that transwoman person with the piercing made.

[@greenbacks4469]

Imagine Lebron James playing in the WNBA. Imagine Mike Tyson in woman’s boxing. I rest my case.

[@isidora5201]

Goid thing they acknowledge their birth sex.

[@theoverunderthinker]

Mike Tyson now would be no contest; Mike Tyson in his prime would be a snuff film!

[@johncena4941]

@@theoverunderthinker even right now he would still kick guys asses not even talking about women

[@HypocritesExposd]

That is so cruel to make me imagine those things. Those poor, poor women.

[@mateodevon2967]

@@HypocritesExposd lol

[@zeitxgeist]

So, I was a hockey goalie for 11 years; I did coaching with the girls (who had also played for a very long time and were very skilled), and their shot strength was like a feather pillow. I had SO MUCH TIME to react. It was unreal. With some of the shots they were taking, if it was an equally skilled guy shooter, I'd have gotten smoked, but it rarely happened. Going cross crease was so easy because comparatively they *moved so slow* and their shots and passes were so comparatively weak. In some instances I'd slide TOO FAST for their passes and leaving the opposite side open for a one timer, and had to remind myself I'm playing against girls and adjust accordingly. And I'm a goalie, goalies are at an inherent disadvantage - we play by different rules - it's not easy to catch something moving at 100kph, and the girls were struggling to top 70-80. I felt like I was playing against bantams. Im 34 now, if I could transition over to a girls beer league or jr comp, I would dominate *still* even with my MS

[@SkinSolder]

This was a tough watch. Preach Aba, much love to my brothers but the discussion in the jubilee video was so dry.

[@scottkinsey7666]

"Sports are divided by sex, not gender " such a great argument! You have defeated their argument with their own language and definitions! Well done!

[@landresking3988]

exactly i never thought about it like that but if we separate sex and gender it still hold up.

[@mxpofficial3443]

Well, so trans man (born woman) that takes testosteron should compete cis women? Not sure if that is balanced too. Its really hard question. I support trams people and trans people in sport, but i dont know myself how i would decide it to be fair. Maybe as i read somewhere long time ago, fuck it, let everyone take steroids they like, i want to see what human body can actually do.

[@idirbouchdoug1567]

@@mxpofficial3443 The only solution is to separate trans women and trans men into 2 separate categories . But are there that many trans athletes to even do that division for major sports ?

[@valirukl5768]

@@idirbouchdoug1567 no

[@janinebelleestrada7096]

@@mxpofficial3443 funny that they let a trans man join a high school girls wrestling tournament and she won by a landslide. It seems that they only wanna compete with the weaker sex aka the women but they won't let a transman compete against a naturally born male athletes. They just wanna deface all women from the face of sports. Don't they know that most girls who compete in sports do sports because they want scholarships from universities and its one of the most less expensive ways and you need talent to join. Even some trans athletes are talented, they need to make their own category and not make women's sports more unfair than as to what is. Ironically most women support these movements but lil did they know this is killing off women out of sports. That's why its categorized by sex and not gender. Heck a lot of them would lose their minds if one suggests a transman to compete against natural born males.

[@m.d.sharpe8892]

"Are males stronger than females" is seriously the "hot topic" issue in fucking 2021

[@DrakesdenChannel]

That is what happens when dumb people seize the monopoly on speech. Not only in America but I have to contend to them here in Croatia because I use online platforms based in the US. When only one group gets to speak they become majorly identitarian and then intellectual discussion and actual progress are zilch.

[@FilipeSilva-it2sd]

People are questioning if the earth is round, Bro. We just let shit get too out of hand in the educational system.

[@theJuicmanisbak]

This is actually what happens when people don't understand "equality" between the sexes. There are things women do better than man and vice versa. Should barely be a conversation but people nowadays assume when you're being factual, you're a bigot or something 🤷🏽‍♂️ Just let transwomen compete in women's sports and watch them break records left and right for women's sports.. nobody will make changes until professional women athletes begin to quit over the unfair advantage.

[@Mew__]

@@FilipeSilva-it2sd Flat Earth is a fringe internet hypothesis. Cultural marxism (identity politics, social justice activism, critical theory, "wokeness" ...) is a mainstream academic and journalistic conspiracy theory.

[@saileshnaidu8102]

@@FilipeSilva-it2sd no shit bro. That's what happens when ur child is too privilaged. The one good thing during the time of war is that we didnt have idiots like these

[@nostrellor]

the only actual argument that worked for me: "transitioning is already insanely hard, sports give social networks and a feeling of belonging to your new gender." so outside of professional sports and maybe fighting sports i am for inclusivity, to certain limits.

[@44waxwings]

I was a pretty average athlete in high school. Placing between 2-10 on the regular in the 400m and 200m. Every single one of my races, even the ones where I placed lowest. Beat the best girls times by what would be considered a landslide between 2 guys. I smoked weed literally every day, drank at least 2 bottles of soda, practiced/trained for maybe an hour a day. Sorry. Just built different 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@Shaqdieselbaby]

Just because a woman trains with men in mma doesn't mean she can beat dudes in live competition. Not by a long shot lol. It's called restraint and respecting your training partners. That person is wild.

[@jerrydufresne1886]

When I was taking JiuJitsu as a white belt I went against a 3 stripe brown belt (female) who weighed 170lb less than I do, and even showing restraint it was easy to just over power and resist submissions because of my significant size/strength advantage. When I was still fighting as a 6'7 265lb (which I cut to from 285-290lb) male I couldn't identify as a light weight and take those fights, it's wild. I just don't understand why people call this conversation transphobic, it's empowering to women by preserving the integrity of their league, and acknowledging that we have an introduction for another league.

[@valirukl5768]

Same thought, that nigga a glitch or sumn

[@colecampbell1906]

Not to mention, those random guys in sparring, are nowhere near championship level fighters. It's a top tier female vs a bottom tier male, and even in those sparring sessions sometimes the guy has to reel it in. They'd get murdered if those were title holding men.

[@justinm2697]

@Amy G That depends on the job and how you define discrimination and 'bigoted practices.' "Target" in this context is extremely subjective.

[@lyravain6304]

@Amy G And if someone discriminates against a transgender person in front of me about something that does not specifically deal with their body, I'll YEET that person out the closest window. But sports (and certain specific other jobs such as constructors) are far too dependant on physique, in which cis-males have a clear advantage because our skeletal and muscular structure has been designed and brought up for that goal.

[@BoofDoofus]

Serena Williams played against a male tennis player who was ranked virtually dead last in the world for pro tennis players. She got absolutely obliterated. I don’t understand why we are still having this debate.

[@user-co7fo]

While he was smoking and drinking.

[@majesticnative9693]

We are NOT having this debate in real life they are using cyber opinions (youtube influencers) to make us consider weird points of view subliminally

[@WavyJayZ]

@@majesticnative9693 facts, just like fake cancel culture.. Couple celebrities talk about it so it must be a worldwide opinion. Foh.

[@fenrir6002]

To be accurate he was ranked 203rd, had played 18 holes of golf and 2 beers before playing her then immediately went on to beat her sister in a match only giving up one more point. In interviews he claimed to be playing at the level of a 300 player just to have some fun with it.

[@Bumpedoff]

It's a debate about Trans not male or female they got their on category now😂

[@ThirdStreetBangi]

It's like putting a V8 in a go-kart, race against other 250cc go-kart & won every single race while saying it's not an unfair advantage because it's still a go-kart and not a race car.

[@mommylosthermind1033]

I was an athlete in high school and due to all my activities my muscle mass and body fat were on par with the males. I even produced more testosterone then most of the males. Even now as a consequence I still have more testosterone then my son's. However, I'm still very much female. In both high school and in the Army I held my own amongst my male counterparts. BUT even with the heighten testosterone, and muscles, I will never be at the same level as someone born male who has trained their whole life for specific skills. I can take the average male but never a highly trained one. And as far as the Army and my skill sets, I will never be able to do the job the way a man does it. I may still get it accomplished effectively and efficiently as a man, but in my way not theirs. Women who are the exception are able to take on most men. But men who are the exception will always out preform any biological woman even if she is the exception. It does not matter when he transitions to female. From birth he will always be geneticly disposed to be taller and bigger even before puberty. Boys in sports as young children, the really good ones who you know will go on to play collage or pro, even at 4 or 5 years old, are already much larger then everyone else. Or if they swim they already have that build. So even if they transitioned before puberty, they still already will out preform. I've seen 10 year old male basketball players taller and stronger then grown women. This can't be denied. And needs to be addressed and taken seriously.

[@SVcreations43]

It's mind blowing how disconnect some of the people are on the Jubilee show.

[@Blex94]

And Jubilee gives them a platform…

[@CasualDandyAkaSqwrty]

It's the definition of an echo chamber, except they let some people voice the opposing sides views only to drown out those views with editing (in this case, increasing the pro integration trans-athletes echo and drowning out the pro-female sports/fairness side). Notice that the side whose ideas haven't been directly challenged is the side with weak arguments that are degrading into feelings and anecdotal 'evidence'. Someone with better moderating abilities and a better taste in casting would make a great channel. At this point, Jubilee is rotten.

[@SEvelynJackson]

No how disconnected some of the people who experience many facets of dysmorphia are.

[@theeyesbutterfly6089]

* all

[@Mei_I_Know_Aaron]

Jubilee mostly gets people who live in LA or SoCal. Anyone who lives in Cali like I do know how huge cognitive dissonance is here. Don't be shocked

[@kgosietsilemathibela4191]

"A strong woman can beat a lot of men A strong man beats all women." - Jordan Peterson

[@mrnumba154]

Never gets old

[@bobloerakker7010]

Boom

[@irsinium]

This us, actually, the classical exemple of chritical thinking.

[@cool_cat007smoove3]

True

[@RocBrew]

So that's works idealistically but not logically. That's why I stopped listening to Peterson awhile ago. I woke up when he showed me he conflates too much of his philosophy with objective realities which hurts some his arguments he was founded on and still stands by. The backbone of that statement depends on Petersons subjective definition of STRENGTH in the moment not the actual capability of the individual. Which is intellectually disingenuous and slightly misogynistic. He's still very insightful though but not as profound as everyone thinks.

[@andresgutierrez2757]

I wrestled on through to college. I wasn't amazing, but I ran the gauntlet against men and women. I have faced national champs and complete scrubs. All this to say is that if all parties are cool with competing Im in full support regardless of sex/gender. HOWEVER my only caveat is when the participation results in more than pride. When a scholarship, a salary, or professional opportunities are involved we need to keep the playing field as fair as possible! Ignoring differences can pose a threat to someone livelihood and health. We can't look at child sports and apply the same mantras to adult sports.

[@MissCV]

Did he really just justify a man fighting a female in a competition ring by saying “most women train with a man partner”? WTF!!!

[@hugoerrera8827]

These trans people love saying that everyone is privileged but can’t handle when someone says they have privilege in sports

[@thenewyorkhip-hopspot5485]

Dude literally said “women train against men to get experience AGAINST SOMEONE BETTER” he killed his own argument

[@dvisiontv6897]

Right💯

[@sportyeight7769]

@@oneskillpoint4669 yup. Training and sparing ain't about getting cuncossions and hurting yourself. It's about getting ready and getting better.

[@MusMasi]

a big difference between training and sparring and competing.

[@zack-zi2md]

Training vs an actual fight is completely different. Thank you so much for pointing this out. I am just tired of transwomen feeling so superior than women and it seems like they are trying to erase women. I support LGBTQ rights, but some of these people are becoming nuts and over stepping bounds. If a person is training they are not doing it to the point to become hurt and have it on there record. They are doing it to prepare and learn more techniques. That talking point is pure BULLSHIT and I am tired of people bringing up stupid points like that just to defend there argument.

[@jiminibimini]

As a man, you can put in all the hormones you want and all the hours you of your life you choose in to being a woman, but you'll never have a period and go through all the bodily challenges that come with that.

[@Maineabeast]

They used feelings and emotion to discuss their points instead of any actual facts. And dismissed facts to argue with emotion. And it's stupid that this kind of discussion is labeled as progressive when it really went no where and no one could see each other's side

[@DaGreatAri]

Rolling my eyes at the ending. Training with men is not the same as being in a competition to win against a man. In college I’ve trained against men in bjj and although it made me tougher I knew that if they wanted to they could really hurt me. I was more skilled and still at times lost to a bigger man during training.

[@norteco]

Yes, women can be more skilled but most of times brute strength will cancel that out

[@DaGreatAri]

@@norteco Exactly. A man wanting to compete against a woman sounds like weakness to me.

[@mudsucker1971]

@@DaGreatAri Add that to a more skilled man and someone is going to die.

[@NotAdultingToday]

Training is different then competing. You don't train at full level every single session.

[@conorstewart2214]

@@NotAdultingToday And it is beneficial to train with someone better than you to give you a challenge.

[@defvzo]

"hour's that I've put into practice " A natural female can put in a hundred hours of practice/training to get to a certain point, a trans woman would most likely catch up or surpass her in half the time she puts in to practice

[@ghosttemplar6989]

This is true

[@semperpieeatordie6990]

@Just Dope is he wrong?

[@ladyo4782]

🐓🏀🏀

[@MtFgt]

@@semperpieeatordie6990 its a bot

[@semperpieeatordie6990]

@@MtFgt appreciate it!:)

[@brieziethirteen13]

You guys covered this perfectly. Thank you. In spite of how well the trans advocates presented their view, it was creepy how excited they got when describing "bashing one another." Yeah, these are dangerous men being fraudulent.

[@vincentwinkleblech3614]

look how infrequent Knock Outs are in Bantamweight and Flyweight Boxing compared to Heavy and Cruiser weights. The power generated by the big men is so much greater.

[@watcherxd]

I think most of these people know exactly whats up, they just want their narcissistic desire to have the whole world bend to their needs fulfilled. If you are born in the wrong body then that sucks and i wish u good luck in dealing with that in whatever way helps you, but u can't expect everyone else to suffer with you.

[@deepzone31]

Nailed it. We need to end the logic of lowering the bar to accomodate soft people's feelings. Life is hard.

[@deniseclark7875]

YEP!!!

[@letit023]

You pretty much sum up this whole video

[@alaysiab]

EXACTLY!

[@emma2370]

Yep. Honestly this entire obsession with gender identity seems to be based on narcissism. I was once a teen/young adult and although it wasn’t easy I don’t remember obsessing about myself like they do now. It has to be influenced by social media and the participation trophies.

[@Arvathyyll]

The transgender guy who said he didn't get scholarship would perhaps get it if he wasn't competing against the males where he is clearly disadvantaged. :p He is making his opponent's exact argument right there.

[@foeshizzel]

So true. Talent isn't just based on skill. It's also based on the level of competition.

[@kreekevol3739]

He didn't get it because he was Trans. If you were listening you'll realise that he mentioned he was actually excelling in the sport and better than most of the CIS male competitors.

[@schilling2438]

@@kreekevol3739 he was actually very vague. A 2 time champion? State? Region? Country? What sport was he playing? Literally gave zero information.

[@foeshizzel]

@@kreekevol3739 i excelled in sports in high school as well and i didn't get a scholarship either. Initially I was upset but when I saw the talent at the JuCo I realized that talent only gets you so far. You have to stand out amongst everyone nationally, not just your league.

[@foeshizzel]

@@schilling2438 All state in ND is different than all state in Pennsylvania. Most state titles are broken down in section of the size of the school.

[@driverside6331]

It’s like compound interest, it’s the tiny variances at the start that when compounded through the same effort over long periods of time has a significant difference at the overall outcomes.

[@evi1ways]

Even video game legues as well as chess have male and female categories due to woman not being competitive against their male counterparts.

[@atropabelladonna3120]

Can't wait for the day they label the Paralympics an "ableist" event and then demand everyone should compete together with the able bodied athletes.

[@hitmankiller123]

@Just Dope posting this doesn’t help anything or anyone 🙏 stop

[@SnozBerryQueen]

@Just Dope ppl are going to specifically not click on your bs link because your spamming and seem sketchy....you can't do that anywhere else perhaps?

[@WarGhoulKharas]

It'll only be equal once Parademons are allowed to compete for Apokalips.

[@drewmungus5841]

Damn good point

[@HmlsDarkOps]

Don't you worry....... It'll be here before you know it. Idiocracy Prophecy has come to pass.. It has been foretold in the times of Methusula....

[@maryliz28]

Women are so kind and accepting that we basically give away the rights we fought so hard for just to be nice. I feel like it's time to stop being so nice. Reality is not always nice.

[@GrumpyGrebo]

Women need to stand up quickly or they won't have a future in sports. It's not a matter of women losing 1st place in a few sports, but being wiped off the scoreboard completely. Every single female athlete who is saying nothing for fear of losing scholarships etc... needs to understand that if they continue to say nothing they won't have a competition to go back to.

[@mcfry13]

They are trying in England, but the media over there is vilifying them as TERFs. Gotta take back the institutions of education and media 1st

[@andyfletcher3561]

It's objectively submission to the "patriarchy" in the case of women's sports.

[@maryliz28]

@@mcfry13 Terfs are a thing in the US too. Basically if you stand up for women without first giving heavier emphasis on trans women, you're a terf. So misogyny all over again.

[@royalecrafts6252]

@@GrumpyGrebo give them death sentence if they want that lol

[@sadoldgit313]

According to IAAF records in 2019 there were more than 1900 male athletes in the USA alone who ran faster than the female world record holder at 100 mtrs! A Soccer team comprising of 15 year old boys beat the USA Woman’s National Team! Trotting out marginal examples doesn’t support the debate, it’s over reaching!

[@botondmezei8039]

"A tough women can beat a variety of men but a really tough men can beat all women"-Jordan Peterson

[@datube5913]

“Some women are naturally very strong.” You are absolutely right. Unfortunately, “naturally very strong” as a woman equates to a very weak man. It’s not 100% the case. But if I were a betting man... lol

[@gremlin3099]

I wouldn't say a very weak man but more like an average man.

[@jliong128]

@@gremlin3099 I’d say weak man not very weak or average

[@gremlin3099]

@@jliong128 I don't know what average men live in your country but in mine, an average woman could simply crush anyone in their way. And I'm not exaggerating, they simply have a bigger body mass than the average man

[@darkoale3299]

@@gremlin3099 Stop trolling and if you're not then you're insane. There is no country on this plane where the average women crush anyone in their way. Themyscira doesn't exist.

[@Rhiorrha]

@@gremlin3099 Obesity isn't athletic ability.

[@Vurdox]

This whole discussion reminds me of the Seinfeld episode where Kramer starts taking karate classes and all his opponents are children.. Elaine finds out and says, "Kramer, you're fighting kids???" And Kramer says, "Well we're all at the same skill level"

[@pollystyrene99]

exactly

[@valirukl5768]

Yyaass

[@JordanReedYT]

Great example

Love your reference hahaha

[@willbedford8381]

Hahaha! Love it! Great episode

[@CKayB]

I hate they call us Cis Women like what woman told them we was ok with that or did they just choose to label us to make themselves more at ease. I’m a woman(.) and if me saying I’m a woman makes you feel less of one than hunny that’s a you problem.

[@ladyd104]

These best way to fix this problem is to rename both the male & female sports to cis-gender male "sport" & cus-gender female "sport". That way everyone is happy & have their own sport(s) they can play in without a biological or medical drug disadvantage.

[@Renaldo44]

Even in certain sports like boxing they class you to your weight. You’d never see a guy 150lbs go up against a guy that has 300lbs of solid muscle

[@jevans1017]

They said that in the video

[@sepic13]

Bro it’s hard to explain that to trans !! Very difficult my friend

[@YeNoYeezy]

The Rock vs. Kevin Hart lmaooooo

[@justinsettles685]

What about that one time FMJ fought the Big show XD

[@j.a.r.family2576]

Jake Paul has entered the chat

[@DarkDemon259]

I can't stress the seriousness in this statement enough. *Biological men and women are literally built different*

[@raypatson3970]

Feminists and SJWs disagree. They've omitted biological differences in their science class.

[@crysed7897]

@@raypatson3970 the irony 🇺🇲

[@ac2395]

Nah, let the women find out. This is how you learn. I let my friend learn he can't climb this tree.

[@DrakesdenChannel]

Body and brain structure difference kicks in during fetal formation.

[@mysterycatmm8045]

@@raypatson3970 Feminist agree to that statement. Its facts that women and men are built different.

[@samueltesta1558]

One of my old friends was a black belt in Ju Jitsu. She frequently won many competitions with people much bigger than her. I decided to go against her as a dude who has never done Ju Jitsu in his life, just for fun. I beat her in seconds just because of how much stronger I was than her.

[@mozuesolympian2988]

I can't quite wrap my head around why people dont call trans people out on their shit.

[@kamariyoung5920]

One side was speaking out of facts and the other side was speaking out of feelings. What a surprise

[@yourlocalhuman3526]

Based and sigma pilled. Hopefully a wild twitter multihair-coloured fatherless twitter user doesn't come to the comments and see this🙏🏾

[@reinaldomartinez13]

@@yourlocalhuman3526 sigma pilled lmaooo

[@theresarobertson5091]

Well.. go look at some trans page comments on youtube.. They are actually openly discussing "war" with republicans.. Like a war, war. Not a social battle.. War. 🤷‍♂️🤔 ok then I guess.

[@brauliocruz2884]

Aba's frustration made him take off his durag. I tried to have a discussion on this topic with a friend and I needed a blunt, a beer, two naps and a looooooong drive after it. I feel you Aba.

[@travistirey8579]

At this point I feel the best medicine is to just let the trans have what they want so reality can prove them wrong as trans-women smoke the competition regularly. They treat anything else as if it proves nothing, so why not just let reality be the judge. I’m tired of seeing arguments over this shit like someone trying to prove gravity to an idiot wanting to leap off a cliff.

[@bobloerakker7010]

It's exhausting.

[@kan1286]

So true. I had the same experience with my friend. Of course she went down the road of how oppressed trans people are blah blah blah. Didn’t have a logical argument just emotional stuff and insinuating I’m the one with the problem ie I’m transphobic. What can you do! 🤦🏽‍♀️

[@OmogeVblogTV]

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[@Digitizeddragon]

Wonder how long it's going to take until this entire argument is no longer considered the trend and we wonder why we were arguing this in the first place?

[@Cloakfiend]

The main issue is that some idiots think that training alone will make you into a gold medal winning athlete, when it won't.

[@MizMima]

People need to freakin stand up to these people who think just because they “feel” a certain way doesn’t mean people need to baby you and agree with you coz they don’t want to “hurt your feelings”. Facts are facts, I don’t care how you feel about them, objectivity is needed

[@thejakker6369]

You said it, homegirl.😁

[@mlueva1]

Nicely said!

[@jlionmenelik77]

I agree with youn. This stuff is going to far.

[@WideAwakeHuman]

I was called a conspiracy theorist 5 years ago when I was saying eventually they would be trying to let men go into women's bathrooms and compete in women's sports... And here we are

[@jlionmenelik77]

So men are going say identify as women so I want to go to women prison.

[@Magabes_]

I'm glad this community is liking the videos. We need to protect this channel at all costs or the algorithm will bring it down. Never have I seen such open-minded, reasonable, respectful, and yet extremely funny people in my life. You both are an inspiration to us all.

[@joeltaylorthethird5443]

Same 😎🤚

[@julesa1754]

Periodt!

[@Babs33]

Same

[@Spykolofficial]

WORD.

[@RsBamf]

There are many out there! Including KZbin creators! I'm thankful for them too

[@christopherespinosa9184]

You guys are the best. Objective, analytical, articulated, rational and most importantly funny as fuck. Keep it up my dudes you guys be killing it every single video.

[@kiruschka123]

Holy shit, who brought this topic up? This is so old. I remember reading about it in some forum around 10 years ago as there was a discussion in the football (for Americans: Soccer) league (Germany). There are regulations in junior teams A, B, C and it is allowed but almost no women are playing. I can't remember the discussion anymore.

[@LAR3MUSIC]

This would be completely unfair and unsafe for women

[@why8298]

Don’t matter trans feelings matter more #ally

[@Loading-lg6hs]

.

[@Delaretro_]

Women fought hard enough to get their own sport category, trans people should fight for their own category

[@taylormade9748]

@@why8298 no.

[@thespicemustflow2956]

Facts don't care about feelings.

[@hummpy]

You guys are likable as fuck!!!!

[@mattoniy2840]

True first time

[@deciuswtasby]

Been on them for years…..what you see is who they are and they are open and honest to a fault

[@legm5298]

Indeed

[@bman1181]

ABSOLUTELY!! These are the types of people that need to have their voices heard. The people that I want to surround myself with. I would love to hang with and converse with these guys!

[@alZiiHardstylez]

Just came across their channel today. Despise reaction channels, never give them a shot but I fell for a clickbait title and enjoyed it greatly. Very enjoyable, very comfy.

[@KennyCutz]

Pro-Editor here! Loved the full screen L-Cut with the facial reactions!

[@anjuju2]

Liked it for U Guys, the Discussion was 1 Group with an Opinion and another having a Seperate conversation in the meantime

[@SpeakRyanSpeak]

Women didn't fight for the right to compete in sports, only to end up competing with biologically born men.

[@Lightning22554]

The world needs more reasonable people like Aba and Preach.

[@shai2137]

When it comes to this conversation, I mostly see people who agree with their points, thankfully. Usually it’s the people that blindly support the Lgb*T*qa+ community that disagree. I don’t think there is anything wrong with supporting them, even if I have my reasonings to how counterproductive it is, I just don’t think that we should be disingenuous while supporting them.

[@andrewferguson8032]

We no longer have common sense, because it’s no longer common. Now we have to call it sense

[@wafiseifsungkar2112]

No, the world has already enough reasonable people. You mean The West needs more reasonable people.

[@32275005]

If you gave them their own separate categories they would just fizzle away... Not many people will wanna watch that...

[@freedomaxe7]

My little boy around age 6 was so in love with spiderman that he even acted like spiderman, pretending to throw webs and even sometimes jump from one chair to another. Guess what, we used it to our advantage at home. Whenever he would refuse to eat his food we would always tell him that by eating more food his chances of growing the spiderman web would increase, and it worked! But what we did not do was take him to the top of a Skyscraper so he can jump like spiderman. Well, he is 13 years old now, and because we did not let him experiment with jumping down from a skyscraper, he is alive, well, and growing strong. Something is wrong, and I blame the parents for not helping their kids with a delusional state get through it naturally, peacefully with love and the RIGHT support. Turning a boy into a girl in my common sense and uneducated mind breaks the very foundation of our existence.

[@spooky5745]

I feel so bad for the real woman athletes that sacrificed their whole life to a sport to later be beat by a man unfairly.

[@digimonalvatrax2738]

who didn't need to work as hard

[@delamain2077]

By a trans woman*

[@Goldenxbih]

@@delamain2077 still a man biologically

[@sauce7624]

This argument is really stupid, the fact the video was even created. Of course men are gonna easily beat a women, they have more testosterone they build muscle more easily, that’s the entire point of steroids. They don’t need to work as hard to beat a women, a USA women’s soccer team lost to 2 kids under 15.

[@ShaunHensley]

I don’t. This is their own ideology being used against them. Live by sword, die by sword.

[@Alassandros]

I feel like exposing the disingenuous is as simple as asking them "why don't trans women want to compete with cis males"?

[@niax6920]

YES!

[@eterenalbeauty]

BOOST!! This exposes their hidden intentions! Thank you

[@michaelmercury1297]

LOL ! Yeah it's that simple . Wow I never thought of doing this .

[@kasvinimuniandy4178]

Yes. Women who train with men are generally stronger cause they have to go up against faster and stronger competition. Women who can hold their own against men are automatically more revered cause they have proved their excellence in skill. It's something to be proud of like a child beating adults in Scrabble or chess. It's a huge achievement. But.. we don't do it cause it's just impossible to win in all categories. It's really tough.

[@elcroft9875]

I’ve often thought the same thing. I boiled it down to the fact that they KNOW they have a big advantage being born male. They don’t want to lose this advantage point blank. Putting on a dress doesn’t remove the genetic advantages of body mass etc….

[@carni4873]

Why do we never hear about ppl transitioning from women to men to play professional sports???🧐

[@nhguapo]

You play up to compete. You never play down to dominate.

[@MrFoulksy]

"You have a massive advantage because you are naturally stronger, taller, heavier, bones more dense, heart bigger, lungs bigger and a better bone structure for generating power"..... "Yeah but you're not considering the amount of practise I have put in" I'm done.

[@victorcode2075]

Watch out LeBron, we're putting in the hours 😂

[@ubuu7]

Agree. Now extend that to larger societal outcomes outside sports to earnings being linked to natural talent and skill in addition to JUST what an individual puts in and don't get in the lefts way when they try to raise the floor of outcomes to blunt some of the unequal distributions of nature. Like universal Healthcare and ubi.

[@christaylor3071]

Stoopid argument lmao. It’s like they’re not acknowledging logic

[@atropabelladonna3120]

Mfs acting like two race car drivers with the same amount of practice have the same probability of winning even if one has a Toyota Corolla and the other a Lamborghini Huracán

[@MrFoulksy]

@@atropabelladonna3120 yuuuuup.

[@BROSoftheFU]

If you consider the facts this isn’t even an argument worth having. This is emotion going head to head with logic. Aba & Preach did a great job dissecting this nonsense.

[@breewashere]

Especially at the end they just said this whole discussion was just a waste of time for them and for the people in the video who shouldnt be representing the trans community with nonsense.

[@USMCplzzz]

This level of stupid privilege can only exist in a first world country like ours.

[@thrgg]

Even worse than that. This is emotions vs hard evidence.

[@shmazpootaz4331]

Thats all western society is now, emotions over logic

[@alexventrov6826]

@Just Dope Are you okay ?

[@x340x]

nascar and F1 is actually very hard physically, not only taking G forces but also the driving itself, at those speeds to turn is very hard. I was at the circuit the other day with my own car, going into turns only like 70 km/h and i can tell you after like 4 laps i was really feeling the muscle sore in my whole body, so imagine going 120+ all the time

[@Brien831]

Well the main reason females are not in f1, is simply the lack of females in motorsport in general. There simply are almost no 8 year old girls driving carts. Its the same reason, as to why there are no female competitors in the chess world champion ship. Not because females arent capable enough, but because the pool, from wich a talent can emerge is way too small.

[@shanemicheal6578]

This dude at the end is talking about how he's a 2x high-school wrestling champion. I'm a 2x high-school wrestling champion as well as national and nation regional champ in folktale, freestyle and Grecco and never got an offer cause they're that rare for wrestling and the competition is high