Fencing Basics - Types of Swords

[@SmokeRingsPipeDreams]

Funny story, when I was in high school the gym class received a bunch of fencing gear. But they didn't get enough masks or coats etc. And the coach let the kids fence anyway. About the second day out one of the swords broke, but the kid using it didn't realize the tip had broken off and promptly ran another student through. (no joke) Fortunately he caught him just under the arm pit and the blade entered over the ribs in front and came out about six or seven inches out the other side. It was quite bloody. Indecently, the sword broke because the knucklehead kids had been using the swords like big broadswords and banging them against each other at right angles and of course and epee isn't meant to be used in that way so the tip broke off. And the kid using it was blind in one eye and didn't see the tip had flown off. .... so a fellow student got run through like a pirate. He was a good kid too. If that happened today I have no doubt there would have been a hell of a lawsuit. (and rightly so)

[@creme8338]

SmokeRingsPipeDreams the guy who got run through survived that right?

[@SneakyMiki]

Half blind people with weapons are always dangerous ;)

[@tiko4621]

Did he live tho?

[@erebys21]

@@creme8338 probably did if the tip didn't hit any vital organs.

[@funnysecksnumber6998]

i hope when you say 'broadsword' you mean the double edged, basket hilted english style sword, and not the medieval double edged, cross shaped, simple hilted sword called the arming sword. or god forbid, a bastard sword, which is the slightly longer hilted version of an arming sword to allow room for more than one hand. if they really wanted to swing it, why the fuck didnt they just use the anorexic arse sabre? this is the problem with making practice swords this thin, they lose a lot of their properties, and they lose mass so they dont behave at all like what theyre supposed to simulate, and also they become considerably less durable, an actual sharp epee (yes, epee is a real type of sword, not just a steel noodle) would have definitely devoured those strikes, and asked for seconds. (the epee is a triangular cross section thrust only sword that originates from france, its basically a bigger version of the smallsword, which is more commonly known by its training analog, the foil. foils originated as a less lethal version of the smallsword, basically, a real, sharp smallsword thats been intentionally made flimsier so that it would cause wounds but not skewer people, became used when duels to the first blood became significantly more popular than to the death. made safe and turned into the fencing foil when duelling was inevitably banned.) i may seem a bit agressive, and thats probably because of all those sport fencing boys saying they would beat historical fencers in a bout with real swords... come on, thats like a skier telling a snowboarder, that theyre better at snowboarding than they are. anyways, fencing of all kinds, very cool and fun. sport fencing is more athletic and competition based, historical fencing is more like a simulation, but theyre both competitive in nature. its kind of like CS:GO and Insurgency. Insurgency is more immersive, realistic, with non-existing UI, and horrifyng, slow paced combat, CS:GO is all about the e-sports aspect, its fun and it doesnt have to be grounded in reality, its just satisfying, though both have competitive scenes (Insurgency's is kind of dead though, if you add an active competitive scene, that might be a better analogy). its when i think about it too much, i go nuts over sport fencing if youd ever want to take an interest in HEMA (Historical European Martial Arts, basically historical fencing + unarmed combat and things that arent swords such as spears, polearms, daggers, axes, maces, hammers, etc. and also combinations of weapons like sword and buckler, sword and dagger, sword and cape/cloak, sword and shield, spear and shield, etc. as well as medieval armoured combat, which is trying to stab gaps, using blunt trauma, and a lot of grappling. all pulled from historical sources and manuscripts. one key difference you will see is, it doesnt matter if you hit first, its whoever hits, not whoever hits first, so its defence first, and defence after. after blows and doubles are either not rewarded, or punished, you should raise up to guard after you stike. grazes and nicks, as well as cuts with insufficient rotation or strikes that land flat arent counted. stationary weapons can be grabbed, as theyre just simulating sharp pieces of steel and not lightsabres. here is some showcasing: kzbin.info/www/bejne/h6fMZYmIrLmYeLs (Joachim Meyer's Longsword plays from his treatise from 1570) kzbin.info/www/bejne/anjSgp-smMR7adU (Longsword plays from Fiore de Liberi's treatise) kzbin.info/www/bejne/iV6xontnYrForpY (Rapier Sparring Showcase) kzbin.info/www/bejne/oJXNdIGPfJqUg5I (British Military Sabre sparring, with commentary) kzbin.info/www/bejne/rXixgaJ_o9pgetU (Introduction to Joachim Meyer's Halberd) kzbin.info/www/bejne/h4Kkm6WgoaeUgpo (Introduction to I.33 Sword and Buckler) kzbin.info/www/bejne/j3a4h61rjNhrrc0 (Rondel Dagger Sparring) kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y6fCgoduZrGcmZI (Messer - or Langes Messer - Sparring) kzbin.info/www/bejne/rITOdmWMZ9etiNU (Smallsword Sparring, basically foil but unlimited target area, and they're treated like sharp - pointy - swords, so no over committed lunges, or hopping around, and as said before, the goal is to skewer them without being hurt yourself, the smallsword also has a conventional sword grip, a knucklebow, and a double shell guard) kzbin.info/www/bejne/ipe7gYOwmsyad8k (Historical Wrestling, idk, i didnt exactly look this up until now) if you are interested, here you can for check possible clubs in your area: www.hemaalliance.com/club-finders

[@weafurrybutabandoned]

I'm actually here because my character has a sword a lot like the epee and I needed to know how she would hold it and use it for an animation I'm doing

[@midshipman8654]

would looking at smallsword or epee de combat help at all? since it was the fighting/duel to the death version of those weapons.

[@case4896]

Dude same thing instead I have three charecters though

[@aliidris657]

Dude. Same.

[@vvvvvvvs]

Same

[@jwjavedofficail6849]

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[@marts500]

When i get good at fencing i am going to buy some baggy white shirts and live in France to pursue a swashbuckling lifestyle....defend the Honour of the King and deflower milk maids in haylofts.

[@Darumbas]

+Eric Gruntfuttock Big disappointment in perspective ! Ha ha !

[@jeanclaudevandamn23]

Eric Gruntfuttock it's time to take back the holy land

[@nonestromain4233]

@@connormills5785 LMAO, loved the movie that you referenced to. I always thought the guy was so hilarious.

[@Carpatouille]

Sadly you'll only encounter people either dead inside or rude, strangers, and shitty rap and pop music everywhere

[@dwlock100]

I own an antique french foil, circa 1894 perfected by the makers in Saint Etienne, west of Paris, who were the royal sword makers at the time.My description is of a cubic blade of tempered steel which was used to jab and frighten the enemy.

[@thefencingman]

Hey everyone! I really like Olympic fencing and I would like to solve any problems in fencing. Can you guys help me out and tell me any problems you have, anything from drills, mindset, footwork, tactics, etc?

[@nonestromain4233]

Hello, I'm going to be fencing soon and I'm scared of what it's going to be like so, do you have any advice?

[@MissLionRose]

I can't wait to take classes!!!

[@cesar..666alvares7]

Same

[@lorenzogiancristofaro9721]

I have seen foil swords using both french grip and ergonomic grip, does it depend on the fencer?

[@creme8338]

Lorenzo Giancristofaro pretty much, but in the vast majority of competitions (especially once you get to olympic level etc) pistol grips are used because theyre more pleasant to hold and fence with.

[@philsspace69]

@@creme8338 Pistol makes you stronger, french makes you longer (reach). It comes down to personal preference and style of fencing. The french handle also gives you a better balance of the weapon.

[@diamondddyyoko3701]

The sabre in my opinon kinda looks like a pirate sword. Also, im not trying to be insulting twords it.

[@thepotatoofawesomness6820]

DiamondDDY Yoko XD you got no likes!

[@paweandonisgawralidisdobrz2522]

Cutlass cames from sabre. (The real one not this metal stick)

[@londiniumarmoury7037]

A cutlass is a type of Sabre, it's just shortened for Naval warfare on board tight ship spaces, like the Hanger, is just a shortened Sabre designed for tight city spaces by police officers and city guard. If we trace the Sabre roots, it goes from western Europe, to Hungary, to Poland, and then through the Turks and Ottomans back to the Shamshir and Middle eastern type Scimitars. The Sabre is basically a Shamshir with a complex more advanced Hilt.

[@thedarkjw6219]

Just happened

[@javierhillier4252]

@@paweandonisgawralidisdobrz2522 sorry solid

[@TieLandProductions]

It can also be called the Visconti or anatomical grip. It was supposedly made for this guy (Visconti) who had lost some fingers, so he couldn't use a French grip anymore.

[@Tetsuza_3]

Im starting fencing and i really like the saber. But im not sure if im cut for it, im medium heigh and sorta "large" i dont want to use the foil becuase i have a bad knee so i cant lunge properly... Any opinions will be great

[@riogan941]

might not be related to fencing, but i love estocs :P

[@tobybrewer193]

I love estocs too! 🗿😃

[@marshallpjesky3645]

What about epee?

[@MT-ig7bs]

Redgum Épée will likely be good for you. I'm an Épéeist with the same problems, and it works great

[@That_Chaplin_chap]

zorro's weapon looked like a sabre but is this still family of the rapier? or does his sword has nothing to do with a rapier? and i mean the 1990's zoor duncan regehr who was a fencer..

[@Maria_Bar]

1957 Zorro's sword looks like the saber here as well

[@Pslakom]

Where do I buy a good quality foil. I want to get into fencing

[@ghostuser5998]

I’m not sure if you’ve already started or not but the best place to get one is probably through a local club as they would be able to rent it out to you at the start and maybe recommend or suggest places to get them from or they could order some for you themselves.

[@dc2008242]

I'm 13 and my friend invited me to go to his fencing class once when I was 12, I feels like an uncomfortable poke, not that bad at all, I was more worried then what it really was, when I went there was even a little girl that was probably half my hight

[@kidssnyder9680]

Damn u 21 now

[@s3xyb34st123]

well, it can, with foil u hav the least protection on ur arms and legs so if u get hit hard there u might get a bruise or something, but it isn't bad

[@dragoonguard7278]

hi guys....i have a question for fellow fencers, who youse the epee. on all my swords i youse the pistol handle + all my friends do as well but i tried playing once with french sytle handle on the epee but i don't feal as if i could't play anything apart from defencive with that handle. so the question would be if you guys get yoused to a litlle bit extra waight because of the handle so you can preform a good ofencive atack or you prefer defencive? non of my friends nor me like that handle but there are some ppl who can't deal with pistol handle

[@555reaper]

It’s 4 in the morning I can’t sleep why am I watching this?

[@KritikaRaghuwanshi-o4l]

Same 😂😂😂

[@jamest6732]

wat is your opinion on sabres please write back I am a soon to be beginner fencer

[@corkcan7161]

They're the bestest

[@joevarley7654]

I think it's spelt epá

[@MT-ig7bs]

Joe Varley It's Épée

[@Fencer._.1109]

Bro if u have speed so saber if u have good hand grip and good techniques so epee.. Or if u have good grip and strength so foil

[@MultiJd88]

hey guys im 13 and gunna sign up for fencing soon. i was wondering does it hurt?

[@andrewbotz4096]

MultiJd88 nope

[@drspaseebo410]

If done INcorrectly OR if you suffer a nasty stumble/fall/trip !

[@seitimebender5466]

Is it legal to switch from a normal grip to a reverse grip style of fight in a fencing tournament?

[@zhangbill1194]

why tf would u do that?? so you have no reach? If you really want to pull something like that try HEMA

[@greyrock10]

Like Princess Bride kinda?.

[@BeetleBuns]

@@zhangbill1194 even in hema it's a stupid idea... more of a movie thing

[@chip4039]

It is illegal to change grip while attacking

[@Westhoust]

How type Steel is made the foil and sabre ?

[@CyberCriminal777]

Where do you get one?

[@stuartjenner2065]

You didnt mention that grips can be left and right handed

[@halmain7406]

Good Video

[@ChristianCulak]

@Mbaudtler Awesome! Thanks.

[@MatthewZmusician209]

I thought fencing was sword fighting. Lol it's nothing like I thought it would be

[@bokchoy24]

Your thinking of something like HEMA which is historical european martial arts but there are many martial arts out there coming from various regions. A few more are eskrima Silat and ARMA

[@candy-ninja]

When I was a newbie, I thought it would be more like sword fighting as well. Boy was I wrong!

[@aronsimpson3444]

Old Soul or Kendo right

[@johnblunt6693]

It kinda is (not including the foil) they are all swords

[@feliciad4493]

Broadswords.

[@shonpieters9609]

do you sell videos to learn abroad?

[@cubix7247]

I think I’m the only fencer here watching this for absolutely no reason cause I already know all of this I’m a Sabre fencer btw

[@stewy1897]

@xXKushmanXx unless you use a french grip

[@jwjavedofficail6849]

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[@cesar..666alvares7]

I love fencing

[@cesar..666alvares7]

Im 9

[@momo-os7ll]

In a real fight with a sword if you disarm you're aponant with a saber use google the hand guard punch the other guy between the eyes for a temporary blindness good for get always or a point

[@damdood860]

"aponant"

[@triusmedia]

What does the wire do

[@tomsta117]

David Walker Connects the sword to the electric system that detects pressure on the tip (i.e. a hit). In foil and saber, electrical contact with the opponent's lamé is also included in the system.

[@patsinclair5587]

Sends a signal if you hit the guy

[@SirPetterTheFirst]

I love to watch books

[@sparkrain3580]

So do i!

[@carlolozada3559]

'bout Zorro,what type of sword does he have?

[@philsspace69]

Some kind of spanish rapier or some derivative.

[@ChristianCulak]

Does it matter if I'm left handed?

[@drspaseebo410]

It may be an advantage, inasmuch as most people are right-handed, you may find that as a leftie, you'll confuse & confound your rightie opponents! .

[@kenllacer]

Sweet.

[@json1824]

How did I get here from watching some Fiora gameplay?

[@JohnWick-ei7ss]

just buy ravenous hydra

[@tinam7386]

Uncoordinated Randomness wow, you too?

[@marshallpjesky3645]

Because you saw this in your recommended and clicked, it didn't magically take you here

[@MoonLight-eo4fm]

Beauty weapon fencing sword like bullwhip

[@s3xyb34st123]

orthopedic grip? I thought it was called a pistol grip....

[@MT-ig7bs]

It's called pistol. He's just fuckin being weird

[@philsspace69]

@@MT-ig7bs It has different names. Nothing weird about that.

[@christianalbertjahns2577]

It's called orthopedic grip AND pistol grip. It's called orthopedic grip because it's historically made for finger amputee who cannot use traditional grip (French, Italian, etc.) anymore

[@erebys21]

Am I the only one who hates the pistol grip?

[@kevinkopp392]

I like saber

[@PaulJones-dl7il]

i love fencing sword

[@MrTrashieman]

Hoping to see a katana tbh😂

[@huntersolar7661]

I more of a slasher then a lunger so i go for a saber

[@tomsta117]

hunter solar Problem with sabre is that it's over in seconds. Both fencers charge in, perhaps one parry is made, and then a point is scored almost immediately.

[@rezz2677]

Like every other person who ever discovered fencing

[@javierhillier4252]

@@tomsta117 you can make it longer

[@AnasALabadi1]

شنو اسم هذا الرياضة

[@AnasALabadi1]

***** thanks

[@paweandonisgawralidisdobrz2522]

This is NOT a sword. Sword is weapon. Weapon is meant to kill not score points by touching. This is tool not weapon

[@zhangbill1194]

well swords are not really considered weapons anymore

[@ARR0WMANC3R]

zhang Bill but they are weapons....

[@uhmandita]

Actually it is a weapon 😂I fence foil and even if I wear my uniform I can still feel the stab and I once ended up w bruises 💀

[@philsspace69]

So duelling swords were not swords then..?

[@olivarrio]

Neat

[@Tokshadow]

A noble sport...I hope more teenagers decide to do this as a pastime....It will help build discipline and respect and some character.

[@mayonnaise2396]

Good news. I, a teenager, have taken up fencing. Èpèe of course, because it the best one. :)

[@mightymurph550]

Ive always wanted to try fencing since a small child. Now 30, i think i wanna look i to a class

[@VanessaDMusic]

Do it!

[@SIXCHA]

I got scars from epee

[@gamehedgehog9434]

Wow he sounds just like Conan O’Brien

[@megasuperlexa2]

dont understand the difference between foil and epee

[@tobybrewer193]

Foil is a weapon of convention so you need the right of way to attack which is a bit dumb considering if you have just been killed in a duel you can't say no you should be dead but épée has the whole body target instead of torso and you can hit any time so epee has no right of way and the most realistic rules for a duel (first blood.)

[@tomsta117]

Toby Brewer Foil fencing was developed as a sport following the outlawing of duelling in Europe. The sport was developed along with similar rules to contemporary sports popular among the aristocracy (the duelling class), such as racket and ball games.

[@tobybrewer193]

Really? I knew it was a sport as it still is but not like that, thanks. Although they were used in a duel, almost certainly not with convention.

[@mayonnaise2396]

Blade weight, shape, guard, length, rigidity, target area, and right of way. The èpèe is heavier, triangular in shape, longer, but sometimes the same length, and the bell guard is larger, and covers the wrist just about entirely. The epee’s blade is more rigid, and consequently has a little less flex than the èpèe. The target area of the èpèe is all of the fencer’s body, and the foil’s target area is just the fencer’s torso. Finally, is a principal in foil and sabre fencing called right of way, which essentially determines hit priority (For example an attack has priority over an counterattack.), but the right of way does not apply to èpèe fencing. A simultaneous hit (forty milliseconds) between two fencers will result in both fencers receiving one point.

[@ammaral_tawil4370]

Hi

[@TheShadowfan9000]

Anyone else think the sabre is OP?

[@georgeparrott454]

Not if the other guy has one two

[@TheShadowfan9000]

George Parrott But that means it is if the opponent needs one too xD

[@MT-ig7bs]

An Epeeist could destroy a Saberist any day

[@FlamingWarrior7]

A guy is swinging a sword at you, a little bit....

[@jasonrodrigo6014]

Fiora's blade >.

[@uranus2985]

lol xD looks like im not alone thinking about fiora

[@jasonrodrigo6014]

Fiora is

[@Wraith96518]

en garde

[@deeprjoshi]

I buy what he says because I know none.

[@asemalsuty4448]

what is the hard sword stiffest weopon how a sward be bendable 😂

[@mayonnaise2396]

Jesus Christ man, had a stroke? It’s flexible for the sake of shock absorption, so that you’re not being run through with a rigid metal rod. It also helps with durability, as stiffer blades tend to absorb trauma less effectively, making them brittle.

[@steelempire7512]

Hmmm its a flexible sword

[@sarthaksingh5545]

om nageshwar maharaj namo namha.

[@davidkerr8119]

+SmokeRingsPipeDreams did he die

[@sarthaksingh5545]

om

[@rikremmerswaal2756]

"swords"

[@jocelynlazarte5390]

Ok how about why they always wear Adidas?

[@rikremmerswaal2756]

find it nearly insulting to call those things swords. Those pieces of wire have as much in common with a sword as a popgun has with an actual gun. Fencing is a very demanding sport which requires lighting quick reflexes and a lot of body control and strategic thinking. Overall I do not want to come across as condescending, but if you want to do something that resembles real sword fighting, then pick up HEMA.( Historical European Martial Arts.) The weapons used in HEMA have weight to them, as much as swords had historically and the techniques employed are meant to get a hit in and not get hit in turn. Seems a bit more realistic then just rushing in for a first hit, without trying to protect yourself from a afterblow/strike.

[@philsspace69]

When you say "sword", you obviously don't mean epee de combat or smallsword then? theodora.com/encyclopedia/e/epeedecombat.html

[@AlohaLittleDude]

no it doesn't

[@Yegggg]

Something's he says are not true

[@brer.]

1 word rapier

[@Yegggg]

It's funny he's works for the olympics but is getting thins wrong

[@jonathanheineman1702]

The evolution of swordsmanship really ruined this for me. Buttons? Orthopedic grips? Hopefully the school I'm eyeballing has a more romantic idea on fencing than this.

[@ortwinvomschildberg4717]

You should google HEMA. Search for Longsword fencing, Rapier fencing or sword and buckler Fencing. Check out the Blood and Iron HEMA KZbin Channel. That is what fencing should be!

[@zhangbill1194]

well there are still people who prefer the French grip opposed to the pistol grip

[@MrPanos2000]

Didn't see any swords.... :D

[@juliaoneill4725]

Blades. Not swords....

[@max_shutup]

+julia oneill They're fence swords.

[@soupperson280]

Those stupid looking handles tho😂

[@planetaverde9663]

katanas are the best. not that silly looking piece of shit

[@MT-ig7bs]

OOH WE GOT A FUCKIN WEEB

[@clothboi1018]

and the katana doesn't?

[@chip4039]

Katanas are inferior to sabres