"Feral Girl Summer" Is Here, And It's Terrifying

Chris and Chase Reeves react to Feral Girl Summer. What does it mean for women to reject a Hot Girl Summer? Why does Feral Girl Summer only last for one year? Is Megan Thee Stallion to blame for making girls believe they have to have a hot girl summer?
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[@ChrisWillx]

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[@microfarming8583]

I love women who are natural and dont shave or remove their facial hair.

[@randomness8819]

With respect, I would like to humbly request an interview btw yourself and Gabriel Al Romani. I believe it would be very fruitful and interesting. There's so much to cover and discuss with him regarding, manhood, society, gender relations etc. Thanks in advance and thank you for the knowledge you impart but, more for possessing integrity while being an agent of aid to others, in an age defined by exploitation.

[@iohannesfactotum]

Sounds like an idea put forward by women to decrease competition for the lads

[@taccntb4345]

Feral girl strikes again!!

[@taccntb4345]

@@microfarming8583 You love hairy men too don’t you?

[@darev6780]

Men insult each other all the time...but they don't really mean it. Women compliment each other all the time...but they don't really mean it.

[@markm0000]

Fax 📠

[@DistrictWitch]

women insult each other all the time...but the don't really mean it. Men compliment each other all the time...but they don't really mean it. Oh no your useless logic just fell out of your backside

[@Madonnalitta1]

That's profoundly true.

[@thewaywardgrape3838]

👌

[@Yo-qp6hq]

? That's such bullshit. We absolutely mean it when we compliment other women, because thankfully, we're able to appreciate all kinds of beauty.

[@LustyLichKing]

Step 1: Convince all the other girls to go "goblin mode" this summer. Step 2: Be the only girl in the club who didn't go "goblin mode." Step 3: Get Chad instead of merely Brad. That might be the thot process here. Just more mind games, a trend that only exists in the online space because no one is actually doing it. Let's see what actually happens next.

[@SamSam-rz1ko]

That's genius from the beckys to become stacies... 👏👏👏👏 well played ladies well played.

[@peterg76yt]

"thot proces" - I see what you did.

[@3DCommando]

I get what you mean. Imagine being the guy that bought into the "Male Romper" look 5 years ago. yikes

[@yearofthegarden]

Yeah, because "hot girl summer" wasn't really anything different, it was merely the affirmation by cultural norms that it's ok to do.

[@Skitdora2010]

Never trust interested advice.

[@outlinehappiness]

I’m so glad you pointed out that it is WOMEN telling other women what the beauty standards are, not men. And it’s women telling other women what they are supposed to do with their bodies, career choices, and life choices. Of course there are some men trying to dictate what women should be doing, but women have been the loudest voice when it comes to telling women what they should be, how they should think, and how they should act. And with the pandemic of identity crisis running rife, and somewhat encouraged by social media, people are jumping on trends just to feel like they belong to a group, and take that group think as part of their identity, and what we are left with is people who are unable to be their authentic self because they don’t know who they are anymore. Great conversation.

[@wiseonwords]

Spot on!

[@lennard5393]

Thats what women always do and in a way it works because women listen to speech. All the advertisements about cosmetics and magazines about beauty & health it's all a stretch of the same thing pulling with hope and fear gotta say it works well.

[@jamesdrake2378]

I thought about when trans men tell women what it is to be a women.

[@ericvalverderosado2046]

The identify group i picked up when i was lost was Metal music community…all the heavy music, black clothes…then i noticed i was picking the bad side of it…started to be more normal about it and im still happy with it…is kinda hard to get impressed with other music genres but the people in Metal is still very kind and friendly…so it really depends on what group you want to belong to…positive groups are the way to go cuz if you get all combative and “in yo face” you will have a hard time meeting new people both male and female

[@benny_ngch]

I agree. The problem arises when people associate to these ideas to a point where they become their identity.

[@barrycohen311]

Why are modern men, terrified by hair?

[@peterrichardson9248]

Go for it girls, go feral, its just so good. Blokes can just get on with their lives and ignore you. It’s a win win.

[@DonnaBrutta2]

Even gay women worth anything will ignore them

[@datt5698]

I don't mind it... and I ain't manscaping shit

[@ishakashyap795]

Your comment gave the opposite of what the anchor saying " Men dont criticize women on the basis of her hair growth" because the anchor told other person in the video that we men dont care about your lifestyle onoy women criticize women about those things, but in every male comments they said they want a hair free women,,,, so that includes men criticize and scrutinize women appearances in minute detail such as body hairs.... and fashion industry created by men and men created those idol model.... basically Men created women beauty standards.

[@berrymckockiner5883]

@@ishakashyap795 he said there's some cross over but the majority is men criticise men and W criticise W

[@Yomel123]

@@ishakashyap795 knew they’d be comments from men about body hair

[@karthik197]

We are now witnessing women becoming incels. Let's see how it turns out.

[@karthik197]

@@realistic_delinquent honestly us men should be optimistic. Back then you couldn't identify the normal ones, bitter ones and crazy ones. Now all you have to do is to look at their legs, armpits, hair colour and body piercing.

[@IzabellaRequiem]

@@realistic_delinquent If you think its easy for women you delusional its not at all easy unless you want to pisk garbage from the strit but this would work for men as well.

[@marsjokes]

@@karthik197 social media profile: signals, signals everywhere

[@thatguyshanewhoyourefuseto1201]

That’s cope.

[@cattan4696]

Just fine, I guess

[@chloebelle4923]

"Conventional" attractiveness is conventional for a reason. It's not a big accident. Cleanliness and femininity go hand in hand, as does smooth, healthy skin. These people are so insane.

[@PB22559]

@@lt.2992 Have you been living under a rock for the last 20 years? A lot of women don't like body hair on men, which is why most young men shave their legs too nowadays. These same men also shave their chest, neck and backs (if they have hair there). Young men are now shaving more parts of their bodies than women.

[@MrEismenTV]

@@lt.2992 Depends on what period of history you're talking about. Women use to shave back in ancient Egypt, Greece, Rome and India etc.

[@K3r0411]

@@lt.2992 It’s more personal preference IMO. I don’t like too much body hair on men either.

[@daraharvey4519]

They’re desperate to find their meaning in the crowd/latest fad. It’s sad.

[@daraharvey4519]

@@lt.2992 we’ve also evolved out of those times. We don’t live in caves anymore or wear animal skins either.

[@xeropunt5749]

Everything comes down to the need for love & intimacy. We can talk endlessly around it.

[@Dehangus]

True, we've got lots of problems to discuss though!

[@waldwassermann]

True intelligence is knowing the meaning of life is simply love. - Wald Wassermann, Physicist

[@marsjokes]

There are interesting synonyms for those words including but not limited to; compassion, empathy, inclusion, acceptance...

[@mia_f]

Yes. Thank you for saying this

[@throwacnt7603]

@@waldwassermann Good luck defining love.

[@tcrijwanachoudhury]

True authenticity is doing what you want regardless if it is mainstream or not mainstream.

[@Sams911]

it's not so much just women who determine fashion and trendy for women, ironically it's also gay men... they basically run the fashion industry...

[@Albus_Rex]

They also make most of the fragrances I wear, but I still won't buy the PRIDE edition bottle.

[@esterhudson5104]

Yup. All that mockery of women…

[@show_me_your_kitties]

Good point

[@arisejeff]

Oh thank goodness. This really helps me focus on my business/career much more when I know fat, depressed, anxious, hairy, masculine, fake and shallow women is mostly what my dating life is missing out on.

[@Spinevoyager]

Hahahaha.

[@alix-mb1xm]

Yikes bro

[@gantonia99]

Do you

[@Msasha2727]

Honestly it sounds like what’s happening is depressed women are trying to date.

[@arisejeff]

@@Neon_White A bit of vanity is nice

[@Mulletmanalive]

I’ve been pointing out that “beauty standards” have been dictated by middle aged women and gay men since the advent of fashion magazines for years. It causes young women so much dissonance that I swear it gives them migraines. Now it seems like the unable and unwilling have banded together on social media to form “unbeauty standards” and market them as “feminism.”

[@istvanpraha]

haha. I am gay (watching for Chris!). We're unrelenting. I starved and exercised so hard in 2017-2019 it was basically an eating disorder and people were acting like I had just made a little change and the best compliment I got was like "almost there." Like holy crap, what is "there."

[@SkillzKillzBR]

Can you elaborate on why you think beauty standards have been dictated by middle-aged women?

[@KP-ej7gc]

@@SkillzKillzBR would like to know this too.

[@marinavasquez8813]

Agree

[@blackleague212]

@@SkillzKillzBR He makes an amazing point, I didnt think I would see a comment of actual intelligence on this video, yet here we are. The Gay editors for many of these magazines as well as the fashonista women are the ones who have dictated what is " trendy" for years. They were the ones bending and editing the photos making them look unnaturally beautiful. They raised the standard of beauty to an unnatrual level. Wouldnt think I would see another person bring up that fact in the comments.

[@juneelle370]

People are so superficial… personality and morality is what matters 1000% more than anything on the outside

[@secretcircusofficial]

people are superficial yes, but that's integral to the human condition. You say it, however, as if mutual sexual attraction is irrelevant to a healthy relationship.

[@poppymoon777]

Initially on meeting everyone’s superficial. If you’re divorcing 40 years later because she didn’t shave her arm pits alone I’d say that’s a problematic shallow.

[@jackbower8671]

Exactly, crazy is definitely something to stay away from

[@finprol943]

I don't think being feminine has anything to do with 'shaving armpit hair' or down there...there are people who dig it,and people who don't like it.go for whatever you like.

[@agathachris9722]

Your opinion is wrong.

[@tallon3925]

@@agathachris9722 cry about it

[@agathachris9722]

@@tallon3925 Why would I?

[@eliannahankin2971]

Femininity is about softness. It applies to appearance and character.

[@missblueberry1033]

@@eliannahankin2971 I agree, I have very soft body hair ;)

[@daliaa5294]

Body hair has nothing to do with hygiene it’s more aesthetically pleasing. I never knew men body hair is clean and women is dirty 🙄

[@jaklumen]

oh, there's trends for men to shave their body hair, too. I am a man, and I'm not joking.

[@sadhu7191]

Women's hair is sexy dirty haha

[@Faliat]

Fast fashion and thigh gap is not the same as not shaving legs and armpits. We've developed a cultural attitude in the past 100 years that has gotten increasingly worse that body hair is considered unsanitary no matter how clean you are as an individual. You say it's a thing where women are the ones judging and they are when it comes to clothing and makeup, but men are the ones that are the worst about body and facial hair on women.

[@erinlikesacornishpasty4703]

I think that's true for pubic hair more than any other body hair. Lots of guys will put up with a girl who "skips leg day" 😉😉, but almost no one wants to go down on 70s shag anymore 😪.

[@lmr1049]

THIS. Was looking for a comment like this and am glad I found it.

[@chloebelle4923]

Historians have found that women in India & Egypt were removing body hair back in 3000 BC. This isn't a restricted trend within the past 100 years.

[@lmr1049]

@@chloebelle4923 “some people have also done this completely unnecessary thing in the past, so now we need to do it again for some reason, even though the only point of it is to sexually satisfy entitled men who have become used to it” lol. if you think this is a good enough reason to uphold this standard and make women feel ashamed (and only women of course), you indeed have some internalised misogyny to work through.

[@chloebelle4923]

@@lmr1049 I never made even one of those statements. You do as you wish, for the rest of time. Men will continue to pick the women they find most desirable based on what they perceive to be beautiful and feminine. It's as simple as that.

[@noteasilytriggered581]

*This might actually be a good thing* ... Allow the leftists to stand out in the crowd more than ever --- this way the good men will not mate with them.

[@Idontknowhoiamanymore]

Right. If I see a hairy girl I’ll run for the hills. Instead of wasting time trying to get to know her only to discover she’s a feminist

[@chloebelle4923]

good point! 🤣

[@bott3849]

Exactly

[@sirsurnamethefirstofhisnam7986]

You severely underestimate how low mens standards can go to sleep with a woman

[@truthresurrected7960]

@@sirsurnamethefirstofhisnam7986 sure, they might have a quickie with these sloppy women, but will they marry them?🤔

[@stephenlaswell4341]

Negation is not transcendence: one who acts in opposition/reaction to external expectations is still controlled and defined by those expectations.

[@whitneygmabry9345]

Would it not be a non action?

[@michaelmcasey]

As a straight male, female body hair is a sign of sexual maturity and is super attractive. I also generally find any amount of makeup fairly off-putting from an attractiveness perspective (though not a big deal). Nothing beats the natural adult human look. The idea that anyone should feel pressured at all into shaving or wearing makeup is abhorrent to me, though if someone genuinely wants to do that then more power to them. Also, the cleanliness/hygiene argument with regard to shaving is complete bullshit. While there's nothing wrong with personal preferences, I'm skeptical of men who find female body hair to be a dealbreaker, and I have little-to-no sympathy for such folks. Consider that shaving has only been a thing very recently on the timeline of our evolutionary history, and our ancestors for millions of years before that evidently had no trouble being attracted to one another and consequently mating to produce us.

[@Space_Princess]

Thank you

[@vvatherton]

Wow, finally a mature-minded man.

[@koalabandit9166]

"Skeptical"? You mean you think we're lying?? Lmao. Look, I can't control what I'm attracted to, and I find body hair on women gross. It's not like it's some kind of opinion. As for your evolutionary argument, less body hair is associated with female hormones. More body hair is, for example, positively correlated to infertility. That is, your ancestors may not have had access to completely shaved women, but the less hair they had the more they liked them, very probably.

[@koalabandit9166]

@Brea Collins Oh absolutely, but there are just parts of our brains (the same parts that want to have sex and decide who we're attracted to) that largely don't care if it's fake or not, they want to see what they want to see (as for makeup, btw, I don't care for it, and I think most men don't; I'm just talking about body hair).

[@sadhu7191]

Yep on porn sites 80% of men like hairy armpits on girls.

[@GenXJen]

And why on earth would any woman take this kind of hygiene or beauty advice from any other woman who can't hold on to a man? I take advice from successful people, not losers - unless of course I want advice on how to intentionally fail. Women flogging this crap just want company in their loneliness, bitterness and rapidly running out useless lives.

[@otheh2636]

Imo that's the whole reason. To brainwash the young women into becoming miserable, unhappy, hateful, alone and ugly. Inside and out. This is done by the low smv women to bring down the high smv women to their level. These are women who truly hate themselves, their gender , men and the biological reality that we as humans live. They deny, reject and want to create a fantastic utopia that can never exist in the natural world away from the boundaries of this planet.

[@whitneygmabry9345]

A beautiful, charming, competent woman has no problems holding on to a man. Hair or no hair... although some hair on your head works.

[@molliem8192]

I am 64 years old. I quit shaving my legs and my armpits when I was in my 40s. I’ve never shaved or plucked down below. I’m not embarrassed at all. don’t care if anyone else is offended by me when I’m at the beach or in a swimming pool. But I agree with the fact that it’s not so much the men that comment but the women snickering behind your back. I don’t care

[@poppymoon777]

Yeah who cares...on your death bed when your life flashes across your eyes you’re main joys and regrets are not going to be about whether or not you shaved your armpits or not.

[@morris9337]

Thanks for the nightmarish images

[@molliem8192]

Haha no problem! Dream well

[@morris9337]

@@molliem8192 😂

[@rev.jimjonesandthekool-aid4488]

So youre gross. Got it.

[@HowTwo007]

men never told women to dress a certain way. women realized over time how they needed to act to get the most attention from men. shaving body hair, having smooth skin, and nowadays showing more skin when getting dressed up. basically a micro evolution of about 100 years or so has created the modern beauty standards. if you dont want the attention of men, and want to be alone, then by all means do what ever you want same way men realized to be attractive to women, being in shape and having money is needed. so men who understand modern dating market are actively doing this to have the most options.

[@alyzak.8997]

"Never" is impossible. It is very likely that both genders told each other how to dress at some point but yes- I agree with the rest.

[@itsthestorkman6440]

My god this is a half-baked take, likely made whilst you too, are half-baked. Please, elaborate on how microevolution has occurred. Be sure to be scientific, which I presume you hold as the gold standard.

[@HowTwo007]

@@itsthestorkman6440 lol im guessing you have only ever heard of the word "evolution" used in the context of darwin, where humans evolved from monkeys. or where humans evolved from single celled organism millions of years ago. evolution what i am speaking about here is: the gradual development of something, especially from a simple to a more complex form literally googles definition. Thats what i mean. small changes over time in the way women carried them self to improve their odds of getting male attention

[@itsthestorkman6440]

@@HowTwo007 Microevolution has a definition, were you aware of that? You seem to be using it to mean 'gradual cultural changes over time'. If you want to make this strictly about culture, don't use terms that refer strictly to biology. If you're claiming this is a cultural phenomenon, then it can change, and there is no specific ontological end to these changes. This means that there is absolutely no reason - by your argument - that 'feral girl summer' couldn't be the beauty standard in a short time. It's all simply about responding to cultural cues. I'd agree with you, broadly speaking. Look at the different beauty standards around the world, and over time. The funny part is that you probably don't agree with the argument that you're making, because you don't realise you're making it!

[@JamesStakerWin]

Men have always wanted their women natural and clad with reasonable clothing. Modern manufactured mental diseases have changed things though.

[@VinnyTheory]

This is another example of how feral girl summer isn’t actually a thing, but by broadcasting this information you’re helping make it a thing..

[@collydub1987]

Agreed. I literally hadn't heard of it until this video.

[@alyzak.8997]

I always find it weird when people use this argument. It is most definitely a thing and being in denial of it will NOT make it go away. Talking about it and pointing out the ludicrous in it will

[@secretcircusofficial]

@@alyzak.8997 'this argument.' you say that as if contrarian hype is never a thing... 'being in denial of it' would be if they knew it was a thing but denied it anyway, that's quite an accusation. They're making a valid point that content creators who deconstruct trends will in turn amplify those trends whether they endorse them or not. 'No such thing as bad publicity'.

[@KC-lg8qf]

Like he said .. .women follow each other. No woman is going to adopt this because she hears it here. Unless its something she was already Inclined to do. Most wouldn't even be watching this channel.

[@secretcircusofficial]

@@KC-lg8qf If someone who would be inclined to partake in the trend, but only came across it here and then did so, then that my friend is amplifying the trend. But yes, we're talking crumbs here. Also though, that's not how hype works. Someone hears the phrase/idea here and sure they don't adopt it but they tell someone who tells someone else and so on, as ideas propagate they lose the rhetoric/logic/moral of their origin.

[@TheAleatoriorandom]

Do whatever you want either way, spent every waking hour thinking of your appereance or give 0 fs. Each will have their pros and cons, just be concious of what you are choosing. More practically, find your middleground where you do what you are comfortable doing. Obviusly looking better or just more conventionaly attactive will have benefits, but if you are exhausting yourself or feel constantly insecure or pressured it's going too far and you will benefit for reassessing. Trends pass and are often quitre arbitrary or plain silly, if you wanna hop on do it, if you don't do your own thing.

[@daraharvey4519]

We’ve gotten to a point where being “conventional” is the new counter culture.

[@sononi4798]

@@daraharvey4519 So true! I've always been a counter culture type and now my friends and family think I'm getting old and conservative but they just don't know. This is the new counter culture.

[@A_T__]

I give zero fs Im tired leave me alone lol

[@wyleecoyotee4252]

Men don't want women to wear makeup to be natural..yet men want women to shave their pits, legs etc to be.... ?

[@GregoryM1]

But what if a lady's "authentic self" is to dress and look very nice every day? What if she likes doing that? Does that not count?

[@juneelle370]

Yes~ it’s feels nice to dress up. That said, all this hair stuff is cultural… IMO it’s gross to look like a pre-pubescent

[@Yo-qp6hq]

@@juneelle370 It's influenced by porn culture which is gross. It seems that men absolutely hate women who exist in their natural state. It makes me think that men like femininity, but not women themselves in their natural state.

[@callanc3925]

@@juneelle370 I dont see many pre pubescent girls with breasts or a developed facial structure. I really dont understand this argument of "the infantisation of women". A woman shaving her body doesnt make her look like a child. It just doesnt. That being said I dont think theres anything wrong with not shaving if thats what you want to do. But most of us men dont know what a childs vagina looks like unless we have a daughter.

[@juneelle370]

C’mon… never in human history have women been asked to shave it all off below… that’s all due to the pornification of culture. Females get pubic hair at the same time males do-puberty. You don’t think it would be strange for a woman to ask you to shave off all your pubic hair to look like a little boy? And it’s proven scientifically that shaving pubic hair is not beneficial to health. That said, IMO it’s a fair trade to shave legs and armpits bc culturally it’s normalized as something women should do and Im glad most men shave their face. I’d hate it if beards became more common place! 😂 When you can see faces, you can read faces! And I think it’s sad that men who are hairy are feeling the pressure to shave their chest and back etc etc… why can’t we just be less superficial??? 🙌

[@Madonnalitta1]

Any advice that Megan the male horse gives is probably the opposite of what you should be doing ladies. My authentic self includes shaving and cleanliness.

[@jasonpauldegraaf]

Between women wearing high-waisted jeans, shaving their hair, and not shaving their legs and armpits... It seems they're doing everything in their power to be undesirable. they're basically 80's boys at this point.

[@sherbear8286]

I am a woman and I take exception to your implying that high-waisted jeans are masculine. In the 80s, high-waisted jeans for women were the rule and emphasized the sexiness of the derrière. I’ve also lived through the hip-hugger phase of the 70s, which only looked attractive on super thin girls, and the current low-cut jeans, which for some of us hit in all the wrong places. As for the rest of your comment, well I agree that female hairiness is not attractive, but I also find the current long and hairy beards men like to sport disgusting.

[@wyleecoyotee4252]

@@sherbear8286 You forgot to include man-buns in you last sentence

[@SilVia-hs2kb]

The high waisted jeans (which are on the way out of fashion) were just a moment in fashion. Just like anything else they weren't for everyone, There's 2 types of women: women that dress for men and women that dress for other women. Not sexually for other women but for the attention of other women. Some women aren't lesbians but prefer being complemented by women than men. If a woman wants a certain bag, she's not doing it for a man. Most men have no idea how much the bag cost and how difficult it was to get or what season and collection it belongs to. Other women that shares her interests will. A woman that dresses to attract men, doesn't need an expensive bag, or wardrobe, in fact some men will be intimidated by a woman wearing a bag that costs more than his car. That's the whole point someone wearing a custom made Hermes bag isn't doing it to sexually attract a man, she's doing it to cement status within other females. To some women a look of envy from another woman is more satisfying than a look of desire from a man. That's why i always say, the best wingman for a single guy is a woman that's well put together.

[@livingminimumwage6359]

Or 60s women...

[@zxyatiywariii8]

@@sherbear8286 That's a good point -- lowcut jeans look good on some body types, high-waisted jeans look good on others. I think I've only seen high-waisted on women they don't flatter (like me) and just got the osmotic impression they're ugly.

[@bobxbaker]

this ought to be fun, to see so many self-concious girls feel embarrassed about themselves for just being natural. i don't mind me some girls with some fur because the most attractive thing that can make anything look hot is being just healthy with a nice personality.

[@ericvulgate]

go for it dude.

[@rev.jimjonesandthekool-aid4488]

Gross

[@bobxbaker]

@@rev.jimjonesandthekool-aid4488afraid of cooties?

[@user-gg2sg58jl58l]

ha,,, someone gets it!!!! :DD

[@lisaq787]

7:50 "Call me in like 8 years, life keeps going, it just keeps going" Heck yes it does! Every three years I'm a slightly different version of myself....lol

[@Frisalsa]

Your friend is spot on no one over 20 follow trends like that. He made me laugh about the hairs on the legs. 😂 He seems a total authentic dude. 👍

[@iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii2458]

My mom stopped shaving her body hair and wearing makeup when my father's business went under. When we had to downsize, my mother started shaving again and eventually cheated on my father. The last time I met my mother, she literally told me she is too hot to be poor. LMAO. Thanks to my mother, I knew that women's love for men is always conditional before people started to talk about female hypergamy.

[@andredubois4601]

Wow

[@AsAugustSleeps]

I use to fantasize about a wife that would stick with me through thick and thin. Boy was I naïve.

[@grendal113]

@@irisunicorn8725 it's not yours it's just your turn.

[@AsAugustSleeps]

@@irisunicorn8725 Of all the married men I know, 1 of them cheated. That’s like 1% rate. It’s a shame you were brainwashed with such lies.

[@apmartini70]

Only a dog’s love is unconditional

[@humunculy7c]

The number of supposedly strait dudes that are grossed out by the natural form of women boggles my mind. Sometimes I feel like I'm the only real strait guy, everyone else is just attracted to a fashion style.

[@michaelr1989]

I'd question in general even for a second engaging with anyone who spends their emotional energy obsessing about which square millimetre of their body they can leverage next to victimize themselves and shape their whole identity around it.

[@mikochild2]

People always talk about wanting traditional relationships like people in the past. Well, a lot of women in the past didn't shave...

[@honiideslysses12]

What's the big deal about unshaved women who forgo makeup and bougie attire? Back in the day the terms granola girl or hippie chick were used to describe these free spirited women and I could've cared less. If this view of women is so important then why does the right flip out over guys who shave their bodies? Body hair really has nothing to do with cleanliness; it all boils down to a healthy diet, mild physical regimen and a shower from time to time to avoid dermatological ailments.

[@eneveasi]

Agree but with a little more emphasis on the showering more than just “time to time” lol 😆

[@bewilderedbrit8928]

"Couldn't have cared less" is better English.

[@honiideslysses12]

@@bewilderedbrit8928 Heard that grammar cop!

[@artbabe2944]

I remember being grunge. You could still be feminine and grunge.

[@rev.jimjonesandthekool-aid4488]

Oh yes..grungey vag...sounds great.

[@elusivemayfly7534]

Totally agree that fresh sheets on shaved legs is one of life’s little pleasures. I’m a shaver partly to enjoy nice textures and not feel prickles on my calves when I cross my legs. It’s a whole thing for me. No judgement to non-shavers

[@IndigoHazelnut]

This is how much I ‘keep up’ with trends.. I only know about these ‘hot girl summer’ and ‘feral girl summer’ trends because I’m listening these two men discussing the subject 😂😂😂

[@wendylcs4283]

Same Lolol

[@missblueberry1033]

Same, that's the first time I heard about it and I don't even shave 😂

[@destroso]

This is the one thing that I agree with the liberals on, though I hated it as a kid, girls shaving is truly a social construct. Every other thing I hate about the progressive liberals, who are neither for liberty or progress.

[@damo9961]

You know how to get a good girl? 1. Don't go for the hottest girls - being that hot takes a lot of effort and 9/10 they are after attention that one man cannot provide. Also far more likely to have 'been around the block.' 2. STOP SIMPING!!! If she acts like she's not that into you(or worse still, friendzones you), gives vibes or any indication she wants to play the field, or treats you like crap - move on IMMEDIATELY. Do not lament over what could have been just move on. Do not look up to narcissistic types, appreciate good decent humans and people that want to spend time with you - or else you'll get what you deserve.

[@rw4025]

Who gives a fuck if they've 'been around the block'? Men don't get judged for having a sexual history, why are women?

[@whitneygmabry9345]

Interesting that our natural state is so controversial.

[@oliviamaynard9372]

Rigjt. As if not shaving your legs is a conspiracy against men

[@EmilyRaskett]

it made me so happy that your guest used "grok it" in a sentence ahaha I want all sci fi terminology to become mainstream ... it could also be more commonly used than I realize but I'm the sci fi nerd who recognizes it is from Stranger in a Strange Land

[@kittywhompus]

This is also my dream. I've heard grok used 3 times in general talk in the last two years so maybe it's finally starting to happen!

[@phils4634]

One of the true SF classics. Heinlen produced some excellent novels, and they were all "politically charged" to use current lingo. We're seeing the results of what he predicted long ago - such as the anti-intellectualism (for the masses) described in Fahrenheit 451.

[@kittywhompus]

@@phils4634 I just wish his actual writing style was better, it's nice but sometimes there's just too much boring. I tried to make it through 'Time Enough For Love' and 'The Moon is a Harsh Mistress' but never could even make it a quarter through. 'Stranger in a Strange Land' was the only one I could manage to finish.

[@EmilyRaskett]

@@kittywhompus he isn't my favorite sci-fi writer but specifically, Stranger in a Strange Land was great. I much prefer HG Wells or Orson Scott Card as authors in general

[@EmilyRaskett]

@@phils4634 one of the many reasons sci fi is both fascinating and terrifying. You can see the dystopian future playing out in real time.

[@mboiko]

Men working together for a common goal is common throughout history. But Women working towards a common goal is MUCH LESS common, because through time...Women view other Women primarily as competition and not their buddy. Many times after a fight guys can be friends, while women want to do real lasting harm...friendship is the last thing on their minds.

[@adamsneidelmann8976]

Yes ladies. Best plan for happiness is to abandon the beautiful. Ignore 10,000 years of proven social tradition.

[@louisavondart9178]

enforced male domainated tradition.

[@adamsneidelmann8976]

@@louisavondart9178 by other women, correct. Men shouldn’t be faulted for what they find attractive.

[@chloebelle4923]

@@adamsneidelmann8976 exactly. The women who ignore basic things that attract men will end up alone (or with weirdos) and then, of course, they'll then whine about being a "victim" of a male dominated culture.

[@bott3849]

@@louisavondart9178 you didnt listen at all did you? They explain its a female enforced standard. You yell into the internet instead of listening to people.

[@livingminimumwage6359]

The whole shaving thing is a relatively new thing in aesthetic history. We're talking an invention within the 20th century, with maybe one or two exceptions.

[@CodyHvids]

To think this is going to impact your happiness in some profound way is pretty funny

[@DistrictWitch]

yeah the manosphere going crazeh coz the ladies are deciding not to scrape the hair off their armpits with a razor is full gym-monkey stuff. I remember in the 90s it was fine - but now the internet exists obviously it's some big thing for no reason.

[@yeledim296]

💯

[@derekgeorgeandrews]

Tbh I don't care about shaved or not on a pure objective basis. But I do care because the values of those who don't shave tend not to be even remotely conservative. But my point is women did not do this most of human history. It's arbitrary.

[@Yo-qp6hq]

I don't shave my armpits most of the time out of principle, but I lean more right than left (libertarian). I'm not like the modern liberal at all, but I am a feminist.

[@derekgeorgeandrews]

@@Yo-qp6hq Respect, if you have a career you love. But most people hate their jobs. I've always thought it was kind of funny in our culture there's a sort of meme or brain worm around that most people hate their awful jobs, yet at the same time we're like YAY!!! WOMEN CAN WORK!!! SO MUCH BETTER THAN FAMILY! speaking for myself, I want a family and if I had to be a stay at home dad to make that possible so be it lol. I don't hate my job but i don't love it and I'm tired of how over emphasized work is in our culture.

[@Yo-qp6hq]

@@derekgeorgeandrews The reason that having your own career is encouraged in women is so that women don't have to be dependent on their husbands. There are plenty of cases where if a woman becomes terminally ill, her husband is 6x more likely to leave her. Let's not forget that there are men who leave their aging wife for a younger woman. What happens to the housewife who gave him children and raised them? She typically becomes incapable of supporting herself because she's been out of the working world for a long time. If she does receive alimony, their husband and other men think that she's a leech because men don't value women's work inside the home. They don't consider it real work so they don't think the money that the man earns is as much hers. There are just too many risks when it comes to being a stay-at-home wife that I personally don't think it's worth it. You can't place your life in the hands of a man who may or may not be a good husband to you in the long run. Some men might say, "Oh, it's her fault for not choosing wisely," but it's literally not a woman's fault if her husband cheats or becomes emotionally abusive or distant. He may act right in the beginning, but you can't predict if someone's going to turn on you like that.

[@derekgeorgeandrews]

@@Yo-qp6hq Fair enough. My sister was left for those reasons sadly. I never wanted to leave my ex even when her mother had cancer and I had to do all the driving cause my ex never wanted to learn to drive, work or have kids, but she developed an affair and left anyway. People suck.

[@Yo-qp6hq]

@@derekgeorgeandrews I’m sorry to hear that. Unfortunately, you’re one of the few good guys out there who are serious about commitment. I’ve seen way too many men engage in this culture of going after younger women despite being married, hiring sugar babies, being dismissive of their wife, and expecting her to do the majority of household tasks despite working a full-time job. I hope you find a partner soon that is deserving of your love and commitment. :)

[@guardianwaldo]

Chris i am enjoying how raw you are becoming, its dumb that its gettung so extreme but that is the state of our world but we need real and raw ligic in the coming times!

[@goldilocks913]

The guest looks like he was born on a surf board and raised by dolphins who were channeling a Martian angel. His eyes are soooo intense! I like him!

[@yeledim296]

🤣

[@AndyMiron]

Dude, happy to deceiver you’re advocating for the traditional values. That’s what holds the world together in the end of a day! Also speaks a lot about you 💪🙏

[@e.paradigm7415]

Look, I’m going to be honest here. Personally, I find women with no makeup to be the most attractive, even if they were to have armpit or arm hair it wouldn’t bother me. BUT I do like for women to shave their legs and trim down the bush. Other than that, as long as she smells good and puts a little bit of effort to look good, it’s a go for me. You guys are right, most women put this excessive pressure on themselves to look a certain way which I think stems from competing with other women.

[@thomasn7361]

Nail on the head mate, most of us males couldn’t care less about it. As long as they reasonably look after and take some pride in themselves, happy days!

[@simonbannow3905]

Amen brother!

[@e.paradigm7415]

@- Astor - Yea, It sucks hearing that but that’s why being confident in yourself is important. I had a gf who was soo hard on herself about her looks, she wanted to get all kinds of cosmetic surgery and I thought she was bonkers! Lol. I would always try and reassure her that she looked absolutely fantastic and to be happy with who she is. That’s when I first saw how women have this unbelievable pressure about their looks, personally I think it’s gotten worse with social media. I feel very sad for this younger generation because they seem soo unhappy with themselves.

[@PB22559]

@- Astor - Of course men care about what you look like. They might play it down but they care. The same way you care about how men look.

[@solitudessilentgroove]

I'm attracted to genetics not fashion. As I've gotten older I actually prefer women who are more natural and like it when they let their hair grow and focus on health and having a pleasant disposition instead. I've let nature take it's course myself and now have a big beard and dreadlocks. I don't care about body hair at all, while it grows on my back , shoulders, upper arms, chest and stomach (I do trim my pubes a little with scissors when they get too long, as well as my finger and toe nails of course, but that's it). I've found that women are attracted to me no matter what I wear or how I groom because of my overall presence and laidback intensity. I used to groom my body hair and have had many hair styles on my head and face. Since I've gone natural I've found that actually more women are attracted to me from across the spectrum, whereas before it was mostly mainstream women. I think the dgaf attitude is attractive to most women, but you can't please everyone.

[@burgertime434]

That’s actually great to hear. I’m a pretty hairy guy myself and I was always pretty insecure about it. Just too many years of seeing all those tanned and waxed dudes running around shirtless is movies I guess 🤷‍♂️.

[@OneManInaTree]

You really need some women involved in these conversations when covering these topics. You're talking about womens experiences from a male perspective. If you're interested in having an unbiased conversation.

[@lindsey4721]

So a question for the men in the audience, what do you think about women's body hair? is shaving a pressure put on to us by other women? can women be considered sexy to men with the hair that naturally grows in their body? it's not like I love or hate how my body hair looks and feels. it's because sometimes I just can't be bothered to shave. why is it considered letting yourself go if a woman doesn't shave her pits but it's not an issue for men? if is considered unhygienic for a woman then it should be considered unhygienic for a man. male and female armpits and legs are not different!

[@juneelle370]

Also, I’ve recently watched several doctors say that shaving private places is actually unhealthy except for trimming. And frankly, IMO women should look like women, not pre-pubescents!I don’t mind shaving because I do want a man to shave his face 😂 but society has taken it too far IMO. When I lived in Europe, the women never shaved their underarms and they were considered beautiful. It’s all what society accustoms one to and unfortunately pornography is acquiring people to strange tastes.

[@johndough8115]

@Jane B Robbins Put two female twins, side by side. Both have on a skimpy two piece, preparing for a day at the beach. One is smooth shaven, including her kitty cat. The other, has massive bushes under the arm, sasquatch legs, and pubes sticking out from her suit. Which one do you think people... both men and woman... will find more attractive? The fact is, that these curly hairs are chaotic, and not the most pretty things to look at. Also, it sort of represents a masculine aspect, and look. Where as a woman that shaves, is trying to look clean, smooth, neat, and pretty... and a male.. is more rough, chaotic, rugged. While many men probably wouldnt care if a female wasnt shaven while in the winter, in their houses... its a whole other thing, when that same woman is wearing something that reveals her arm-hair to the publics eye, and or spreads out beyond her bathing suit. In general, many females leg hairs are invisible to most men. When one of my EXs claimed to feel bad about not shaving her legs, I was surprised, because I didnt really notice. They are much thinner hairs, much shorter, and not in a mass density... like my leg hairs. So again, that didnt bother me. But I will easily admit, that huge bushes under the arms is a bit repulsive (masculine). And... any woman Im with should have a well trimmed beaver. Extra points, if its shaved bare... as that makes it so much nicer on the tongue... All of the woman Ive been with have not had that much hair downstairs... but I remember when I was a little kid... rushing into a room where my aunt was changing, and seeing her naked. Wow... she had a FOREST down there. It looked like someone took an Afro Wig, and glued it to her entire lower triangle area. Sorry... but It was ghastly! Also, even I trim my neither region, to be less thick / dense. And finally, there is another difference between males and females. Males sweat 10x as much, and 10x easier.. than females. As such, our hair is critical to wicking that sweat, so that we dont create massive puddles worth of dripping sweat + clothing sweat stains. Ive seen females go several days without washing their hair.. and you could never tell. But with me? A night of sleep, and my hair is oily, and matted to my head. I could not simply Brush it.. and head out. I NEED a daily shower, to get it clean... and worthy of public view.

[@rufus6646]

Doesn't look like you've shaved for a while Lindsey based on your profile pic.

[@rohilthomson]

Honestly, I myself and most guys don't care that much about a woman's body hair. Like obviously if it's a lot and it stands out among other girls I will notice it (usually not in a good way). I think most guys prefer girls not having body hair for aesthetic reasons primarily but hygiene is an important factor in why men too are starting to trim at least their torso and genital areas if not the arms and legs.

[@johndough8115]

@@rohilthomson There is nothing un-hygiene about men having body hair. Other than possibly some butt-hair, which, if you dont wipe will, might carry a dingle-berry. If men are shaving (not trimming) their arms and legs... they are more than likely feminized Soyboys, with mental health issues.

[@InputCity]

Goblin mode is always running in the background as a hidden process 😄

[@Andrew-cc4vk]

Women having more power in society is one of the main reasons for all the social decay we're seeing. Men bring order. Women bring chaos.

[@JSuperfly]

I can tell you now this will impact their dating lives much more than hot girl summer, and they'll complain even more.

[@zxyatiywariii8]

Yeah, but this gives them a prophylactic excuse: _"See, men are all shallow arseholes, just like I always thought!"_ I think some of them are "happier" being miserable.

[@DeepInsideZettaiRyouiki]

1:30 - Reaction at "Goblin Mode" ...pure Bliss xD Life is such a perfect filter of souls... nothing else can even come close to its efficiency.

[@daves-c8919]

I’ve been with my partner for 5 years, we have a one year old daughter, and she’s always had armpit hair. She hasn’t shaved her legs the entire time we’ve been together. The real question is “would you gentlemen be upset if some of these girls never shaved again after their feral girl summer?”

[@vincentmokoena4004]

Armpit hair doesn't determine whether I date someone or not. She shouldn't be political about it though, or come with ideological mental health issues.

[@danimotherofchickens479]

As she should taking care of a 1 yr old is hard af. When they are older she'll probably revert back to some degree

[@daves-c8919]

@@danimotherofchickens479 It’s unrelated to our baby. You should read my comment again.

[@wheeliebin18]

I had to re-read your comment a few times before realising you weren't talking about your baby having armpit hair XD

[@ember1471]

@@wheeliebin18 lol...same here lol

[@ErinThePsychicWitch]

Talk to each other about what matters. Not what 20 year old women are doing with their own bodies

[@snowbunny783]

You know you’re old when you’re happy to let all this “trendy” shit pass you by. Apparently 30 is the new 50

[@wheeliebin18]

Yeah but whilst they're celebrating how trendy they are, you can go out and be successful, financially stable and enjoy you latter years whilst they're messing up the rest of their vapid lives from a really early age.

[@rev.jimjonesandthekool-aid4488]

Except there isnt a war on women it's a war on men. And you don't care. Big surprise.

[@wilson8979]

Totally true, I do want I want. I don’t follow trends

[@brandi33]

Feral girl summer sounds like the continuance of a society slowly devolving.

[@throwacnt7603]

I think the energy that they are talking about but couldn't quite verbalize is permissiveness and rebellion's, summed up it's chaos. It's the idea that they can do whatever they want and no one has the power nor right to criticize it.

[@erinlikesacornishpasty4703]

Honestly I kinda love this year; all the 90s fashion trends are back and now I can feel trendy again for never having shaved my legs since grade school. I'm living for this end of the world dystopian nightmare 😎🥂👌.

[@LuckysLair]

Women hitting the gym and not just getting fit, but bulking up and looking like male athletes. Women adopting hyper aggressive male personality traits in the office and relationships. Women reduced hygiene and growing out their body hair. Basically acting and by all appearances male, while complaining about mens exact same behavior as being “toxic” and “muh patriarchy”. If I wanted to deal with those kinda people I’d just exist as a man and walk out the door into the world…..and not into a relationship with someone who brings nothing but personality instability, insecurities, and antagonistic male-ish aggression. You do you, but I don’t have to take part in it. I’ll find someone who adds positivity to my life

[@danielsantiago8146]

We live in a world full of Wookie monsters.

[@insertnamehere8121]

Men are so ‘bad’, that they’ve made their bar for accomplishments being pseudo-men. Q: Why? A: Because it isn’t sincere criticism of men, it’s about weakening men and trying to overtake them. A few years ago on a ‘mothers support’ message board, the mothers of young boys and yet to be born boys were discussing the INTENTIONAL malnourishment of THEIR OWN male children during adolescence in an effort to create weakened/weaker males in general.

[@imageword5576]

It's like feminists should call themselves masculinists. After all, they are championing masculine values and traits over feminine ones.

[@ssing7113]

Thank you for calling out the macho women. It’s been disgusting to me seeing women lifting heavy weights trying to be as muscular as a man. I’ve seen the switch over the last 1 1/2 years. women use to lift light weights trying to be toned and try and get a big butt. Now I see women trying to lift as much as men. 🤮 I saw women go from lifting ten pounds to a hundred……. 🤦‍♂️

[@panderichthys_rhombolepis]

*@Lucky Lucianio:* 'I will find someone who adds positivity to my life.' Found anyone as yet? Just curious.

[@mummysarah822]

If mens body hair is not gross, but woman’s is gross, how does that compute? Women’s is softer.

[@wyleecoyotee4252]

Another attempt to control women

[@Yo-qp6hq]

From what I've seen, men are more critical about a woman's appearance than the other way around. Women don't go out of their way to put each other down based on looks, whereas men's primary mode of insulting a woman online and in-person is typically through her looks. "You're ugly, you're mid, you're a fattie." Women are more supportive of each other when it comes to looks. Men decide a woman's value based on her looks, so they're more likely to put a woman down through that if she displeases them.

[@rohilthomson]

It's rare that men go out of their way to insult a woman's looks either, I've seen. It's usually triggered by the woman they are targeting saying some misandrist or downright wrong stuff and going for males' looks first. Not saying that makes it okay, but it's very rarely unprovoked.

[@Yo-qp6hq]

@@rohilthomson Clearly you haven’t been the target of such vicious attacks online or have seen it happen to other women. You probably just turned a blind eye because it didn’t concern you.

[@priyanshjyoti2013]

Are you willing to forego the fact that in a substantial amount of cases, women also like to coax or prop up other women at the expense of the truth because of their communitarian nature? Men are usually quite outright and exercise brevity while getting a point across since they are willing to risk a physical conflict. This has a basis for it through the lens of psychology and anthropology. Thus men don't as often engage in duplicity or backtalk, women do.

[@priyanshjyoti2013]

Not pertinent but I find it funny when a person likes their own comment... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@Yomel123]

Yes. It’s men who attacks women appearance mainly. Women are mainly supportive you can tell by men freaking out about body hair in these comments how much they put on women to conform

[@BohemianBeatster]

Women not shaving under their arms or legs or private parts is nothing new or original in the world of being trendy, fashionable or even the take, not giving a damn. In the 20th century alone, American soldiers found when going to fight in France during WW1 that it was fashionable for many French women not to shave under their arms. During the Swinging 60's many hippie girl did not shave anything at all, in an attempt to be natural, to keep it real. "People is what you see baby". Now a days women not shaving for shock value is not shocking at all. However, scientist have found that women who do not shave under their arms may have higher body odor.

[@gregy1570]

how about "herpes-free girl summer"

[@brittybee6615]

As someone who doesn’t grow underarm hair on one side now due to radiation therapy, I can tell you having even a little amount of hair growth before shaving vs no hair at all makes a huge difference in how much odor there is. (From one side to the other, in my case.)

[@jaklumen]

It makes sense.. armpit hair basically wicks sweat.

[@laurencedavey3121]

I've always said that women need to work together to drive down expectations around appearance, just like men have. Instead they compete with each other until the basic stuff women have to do to themselves, like regular waxing and makeup, is insane.

[@mummysarah822]

It’s usually women owned beauty businesses too.

[@callanc3925]

Its crazy how womens magazines are written predominantly by women and gay men yet somehow theyve managed to convince most women that straight men are dictating the beauty standards

[@mboiko]

Men working together for a common goal is common throughout history. But Women working towards a common goal is MUCH LESS common, because through time...Women view other Women primarily as competition and not their buddy. Many times after a fight guys can be friends, while women want to do real lasting harm...friendship is the last thing on their minds.

[@steveredstone1711]

W0men hate each other more than m0n actually. Kinda wonder about the psychology behind this.

[@seetheanimal5867]

Dude talks about nuance with out any trace of nuance 👏🏽😂

[@daniellesinclair8304]

I feel like the best thing to do is what you authentically feel drawn to do, and not giving a shit about what other people are doing, men or women. Modelling this kind of crap ( & having to post it on insta) just shows an inability of people to think for themselves and actually be authentic . If you want to shave then do it, and if you don't want to shave then don't, but don't tell me not to haha. The Sociology is fascinating to watch .

[@batape1965]

If all women shave their pits, men will be attracted to them. On the other hand, if all women don't shave their pits, men will be attracted to them.

[@knicksprop]

I'm kind of surprised by this. This seems like the most minor of things to be concerned about, and yet, it's a clip of two guys whining about what some women may do with their bodies. I use "whining" cautiously, as I generally love your content Chris. However, I can not see why I should care about whether women want to shave themselves or not. To be honest, it is kind of ridiculous. You can choose to date women who shave or not. And maybe there are guys into that. Like I have seen comments on here by guys who are whining about women who lift weights. Like, ok, so...don't date women who lift weights then? Or go to the gym and lift weights so that this doesn't become an issue, since men are naturally stronger than women. Also, 99% of men and women do not use Tik Tok. It's going to be, if any, a very small percentage who do this. The reality of it is that the vast majority of us are so wedded to traditional norms of what is considered attractive, that few if any of us, will ever push past that and try something different. Even the most ardent feminist likely shaves themselves and expects a guy to make decisions on a date. This ain't it, chef.

[@jmacsss]

Women love to have an opinion on what men wear but god forbid men have an opinion.

[@anikojonas8380]

"What will you do during summer?" Work, like most of the adult human beings do five/six/seven days a week. Joke aside, you do you... I felt so ashamed till my recent birthday about not having a husband/family at the age of 31 that I wasted my twenties trying to look/behave like others, trying so hard to be accepted. I didn't like myself, but after thinking about it a bit more than a minute I decided to better myself, try to enjoy the small things and not care about what others think about me. Tell me your opinion, everyone has, but it shouldn't shape me. If someone hops along the way, welcome.

[@hordevran]

I have it similar but I'm male and I will turn 31 this summer. The feeling of wasted time hits quite strong sometime as I've never had any girlfriend nor any girl showed sympathy or any affection for me. I tried to process it interally I'm maybe not suitable for women around me and just moved on. Not gonna lie, world feels cold and dark when you realize this. I finally start acting like a man and I'm glad I stopped trying to get woman's attention by dishonest behaviour and I realized only quite time ago that this behaviour is actually repelling. I know lot of peope feel lost nowadays without any motivation but what helped me is stop lookng at p0rn and do semen rerention because I was literally an addict when I was mot getting fulfillment in real life. I live my life and enjoy little things now and finally I have a drive to achieve something. Good luck everyone.

[@marlonmoncrieffe0728]

Have you tried praying for a husband and family? Attending church too? And the internet?

[@anikojonas8380]

@@marlonmoncrieffe0728 uh, no, I’m not a religious person. On the other hand I don’t like myself… I don’t have a healthy amount of confidence because I don’t feel good about myself. But one step at a time. Regarding the internet: internet and dating apps, social media made me waste years of my life. Being anxious because I don’t have the perfect body, skin, hair, whatever, I don’t have adventurous life, etc. Quitting social media was one of the best decisions I’ve made so far alongside starting to practice discipline.

[@marlonmoncrieffe0728]

@@anikojonas8380 Ever tried professional therapy-of which there is NOTHING to be ashamed of by employing?

[@anikojonas8380]

@@marlonmoncrieffe0728 you are absolutely right that there is nothing to be ashamed if we seek professional help. I had a couple sessions, however I didn’t continue. It was good for me to realise I need a different approach to everything

[@Shootskas]

"The entire reason women have been such a privileged class throughout history is because only the good parts of her nature were displayed openly in society for everyone to see." -Barbar

[@oliviamaynard9372]

Women couldn't vote or even have a bank account in the U.S. until pretty recently. Women in Saudi don't have a privileged life.

[@mistercohaagen]

LOL, we've really ran out of meaningful conversations to have if we're down to armpit hair. Sorry ladies, my heterosexuality is undeterrable... hairy, not hairy... I am down! These other dudes are acting a bit gay if they're that nitpicky about things women want to do.

[@hayleylongster4698]

Totally. Let's just say I never had a bloke turn me down because I had hairy legs. (And it has happened a few times because sometimes I just can't be fucked and if you're a man who sometimes doesn't bother to shave his face every day, I'm sure you get that).

[@Nienpet]

Oh well, at least Feral Girl Summer won’t lead to Single Mother Spring 😆

[@pir8prod]

Lol. Clown World never disappoints!

[@smmacey5478]

How is this a dating trend? Feral girl summer has nothing to do with dating. The two are not related. Feral girl summer is about not letting beauty standards affect your ability to have fun. And women over 30 love this because it’s validating the fact that no matter how hard we try, many of us can no longer make ourselves care about being “hot” all the time. I try to care - 20 yr old me would look at me now in horror. But I don’t care, I can’t care. I’m having just as much fun as my younger “hot” years, but in a totally different way.

[@robe1811]

Is it just me who cringes when I hear the latest tropey slogan that women are throwing about to categorise themselves? I mean, when do you hear blokes coming up with “beard boy winter” or whatever? “Hot girl summer” sounds excruciatingly like the product of an infantile mind and it would behoove us to leave women to obsess about this stuff amongst themselves because we men have much more important stuff going on, like evolving. But then I’m well aware the fact I’m even eye-rolling at this shit means I probably care more than I should myself! 😂

[@knicksprop]

Did you miss Chet Hanks' "White Boy Summer" pronouncement last year? I'm pretty sure, though I could be wrong, the "Hot Girl Summer" was a response to that. It's all silly obs

[@TheSanityMachine33]

oh come on now... Women aren't overgrown infants... are they? *crickets* ARE THEY?????? *more crickets*

[@Yomel123]

Interesting cause men haven’t evolved from the 50s

[@TheSanityMachine33]

@@Yomel123 No need to evolve from the 50s...that was almost the pinnacle of Western culture...but a bit too commercialized and materialistic.... However... 1950s men were strong. Women were still feminine back then! You could learn a lot from that era, Missa.

[@robe1811]

@@Yomel123 well that’s ironic given the sheer weight of numbers of women who identify as having “traditional values” on dating apps. When you scratch the surface “Traditional values” of course means “you can pay for dinner like a 1950s man but I won’t iron your shirt like a 1950’s woman”. Evolution is a two way street 😜

[@eroberto]

I doubt strong, authentic, confident women care about TikTok trends.

[@williamhughey6875]

It's not clear what you're talking about??? Men do focus way too much on women's looks and I feeds their vanity. Women are into themselves and other women.

[@Zombiepoptarts]

Yes, this is something that I picked up on. It wasn't all my female friends, but everytime I can think of that I ever fussed or was self conscious about my appearance I was usually teased or generally made fun of by some, asked why I care so much, telling me I'm beautiful the way I am and dont need to pander to men's standards of beauty.... The shaving one ugh, I don't care if others don't but I absolutely hate not shaving and that was one that I had to stand up for myself and explain "No, this isnt for attention or to look better than anyone, this is a health hygine thing because I'm happier and feel fresher and cleaner without that hair so much more than having to look or deal with it." Nah, I'm happy for them that they are comfortable and confident enough with themselves to feel they don't need to try maintain their body, but girl I gotta eat right, I gotta exercise, and I'm definitely gonna shave and do other things to care for my skin. Call me vain all they want, it hasn't changed my routine and habits for 14 years and I still get told I look the same or younger.

[@michellestevenson8060]

As a mom of a teen, this is disgusting 😒

[@lasttango7522]

Totally agree. As a mum of 2 young girls. Can't think of anything more gross than a dirty female. I have worked with homeless women who needed to be clean and femine.

[@hordevran]

@Jane B Robbins Maybe she mean form how is it presented to young girls as a form of fight. I personally like very much hair on woman's body but definitely I feel repelled by this movement. It's like when small kid starts to rebel it's headache to deal with him/her. It's getting same way for women. Lots of men just don't want to deal with emotional excesses anymore and the body is only thing which makes their attraction towards women.

[@hordevran]

@Jane B Robbins I understand skin irritation and I would never demand for my gf to shave but as I said I don't like how it is everything broadcasted as a form liberation from evil men. These poor girls who have internall fight against men will be hardly able to connect with any man in the future whicn only reassure their views. How can you live with and rely on your enemy? It's same for men who have radicals views on women.

[@NegativeMass85]

I'm so glad to be an older woman in today's political climate. I think the younger generation of women actually have MORE pressures on them -- by other women -- than my generation did.

[@wildemthefem5773]

What about a balance between the two extremes? It’s good to have days where you don’t give a f about shaving anything, and it’s great to have people who accept you have in that state. It’s also great to get cute and work what ya got. And it does feel divine to get into bed with freshly clean legs even though it’s a pain.

[@aaronward6466]

Its funny how they then also think we have to find them attractive. When we don't REEEEEEEEEE!!! 😆

[@MariaRose360]

Where do you find this stuff? Times like this I'm glad I don't use social media 😆

[@pearlgirl5643]

Nice analysis of what Ayn Rand called the fashionable non-conformist

[@hopebell2659]

Coming from a women who shaves my body regularly, it’s not that much effort and it’s more sanitary period. The thought of seeing another woman walking around with long underarm hair and unshaved legs is gross. Why is everyone trying to erase woman and our uniqueness from men. We take care of our bodies, like to look nice for our partners, wear pretty things, take showers and shave regularly, do our hair, etc. women have many aspects and I could list them all, but this is one of them. If you want to stand out in a crowd, I guess be an actual women because all these adult females trying to be everything but are getting lost in the sea of crazy

[@catherineball7584]

If you think of the length of human history on the planet as a day, shaving has only been available for the last 5 mins or so. Women have body hair. It is not less sanitary, in fact the reason for body hair, particularly on the vulva, is almost certainly to trap microbes before they get inside the body and cause problems. It is in fact there for hygiene.

[@TWRehab]

@@catherineball7584 Yes and we used to eat rats and sleep in caves. Women and beauty are part of what civilised us. See near all of art history for the vision of women and femininity.

[@sophiabrooks3097]

you know women with body hair also shower right?

[@catherineball7584]

@@TWRehab yep. Last five minutes. Cave drawings of women were the same as cave drawings of men. Hairless stick people. Also look cross culturally. German women have only removed body hair in the last couple of decades. For Filipino men, thick dark hair on the top back of a woman's thighs is considered the height of beauty. It isn't dirty or unattractive any more than breasts are sexy and should be hidden from public view. The view of these things is entirely subjective.

[@ItsPainnz]

Some women love hairy men, some women love molerats

[@MykeLewisMusic]

Going in the opposite direction from known liars isn't reflexive contrariness, it's just common sense.

[@Yomel123]

look at all the men freaking out and making vids about women not shaving. Look at these comments. This is the first I’m hearing of this. I love this. Women need to stop centering men and fuck shaving. It’s stupid

[@arvyarvy4242]

why does the authentic self have to be unkempt

[@genmaicha.lapsang]

The amount of hair your ideal partner has varies from person to person. Some men genuinly want bushy women becuase they feel to little hair is "childish." Which I can understand. I'm gay, I like hairy men,. I shave my own back most of the time though but don't expect my boyfreinds too becuase it can be painful and difficult to do.

[@haleytruslow7200]

…can you go into detail about how you shave your back by yourself?

[@genmaicha.lapsang]

@@haleytruslow7200 Mirrors, flexibility long razor handles. Also, I’m not that hairy so I can reach all of the spots.

[@deanatkins4456]

A certain number of (often influential) people benefit from encouraging conflict, albeit men vs women, white vs black, etc. What's most interesting to me is why we fall for it.

[@SeriousMcnegative]

Feral girl advocate: "if you make any effort to maintain an appearance you are inauthentic, so here are loads of rules and parameters you must adhere to..." We need to talk about objective definitions of beauty again. Every great thinker and artist has had to consider this and Da Vinci himself attempted to document what he thought would be objective beauty standards before his death. What makes us feel good is not synonymous with THE good, and the same goes for looks. What one person thinks looks good may not be what is good.