Ferraro: Problem with a $10M goalie is the league has made that position less dominant

TSN Hockey analyst Ray Ferraro joins Bryan Hayes, Jeff O’Neill and Jamie McLennan to discuss the Canadiens' struggles, the chances they could still make the playoffs this season and what’s up with Carey Price.

[@daniels1270]

Montreal's window was 2014 - 2015, if they were going to win it all that was the time, much like the Blue Jays window, but its now firmly shut for both teams.

[@dylangraham9025]

Daniel S they had it that year until price got injured and the shit hit the fan

[@dfgccgggff7963]

Blue jays actually moved on and started to rebuild

[@zeikestsuvods]

That years the Rangers played Prices Natsy smh .

[@lilhamster931]

Nah it was when halak was standing on his head every since that trade never stood a chance

[@oilersridersbluejays]

Nice analogy, except that the Blue Jays signed some pretty big names recently and their younger guys have a season or two under their belt now. The Canadiens are a mess. Surprised this didn't happen two or three seasons ago.

[@KingsEtDucs]

Drouin's injury is really the turning point if we look at the results: He has been placed on IR on November 16th, they were 11-5-3 at the time. Immediately after his injury, they went on an 8 game losing streak and are 7-14-4 without him. I know there are other factors, but I think it shows Drouin is probably more important to the habs than people think.

[@perspectiveanime1851]

With the intensity he played in games this year he definitely was a huge part of that team. When your most skilled guy is working the hardest (like drouin did). They said gallagher is the pulse of that team, might have been right last year not this year hahah it was definitely drouin

[@notDonaldFagen]

Nah, they're always good in the first month of the season. Injury is just a coincidence with the usual timing of them sucking ass all winter.

[@ren2871]

Or maybe the law of averages are at work...the more they play, the more they play like what they truly are which is a bottom 10 team. They played out of their minds last season and still didn't make the playoffs. If Drouin is what your success hinges on, you were doomed from the get go

[@ren2871]

@Jessie I am a Habs fan, the media and the fans overrate the core of the Habs to the extreme. Last year they played as well as they ever were going to with those core players and still missed out on the playoffs. There are 31 teams, relative to other teams if my core guys are Gallagher, Domi, Webber and Price, I will likely finish as a bottom 7 team. They just lack talent. Its that simple

[@ren2871]

@Jessie fully agree. In 9 years, the Habs didn't develop a single one of his picks. All the success from 2012 to 2015 was with Gainey's picks

[@stephanegroulx4679]

Certainly not price's fault alone

[@RandomPlaceHolderName]

@Trev Gord I've watched the team and you could have 14-15 Price in net, or prime Roy/Hasek/Brodeur whoever you want... and this team wouldn't be much higher in the standings. The amount of boneheaded defensive plays and turnovers has been staggering all season.

[@Hawktotalwar]

no is price's fault

[@zeikestsuvods]

That some fact .IS THE TEAMS ,in front of him .The teams in front of him is so garbages

[@nickniehaus1763]

Trev Gord he's always under performed

[@lilhamster931]

Halak woulda won us a cup by now

[@AlvinWazHere]

I bet Marc Bergevin will say something like this “Price is just 31, Pekka Rinne is I believe 38 and he is still playing Good or Lundqvist. All im saying is we are still a Playoff Team. But unfortunately we have injuries. If we were healthy we would be a top contender. Price and Weber are not going anywhere. They will be a Hab for a long time. And we will keep trading good players for french players. Thats Guaranteed.”

[@AlvinWazHere]

Matt F Ive been saying that for a Long ass time. But let them be. They’ll learn. I bet Seattle will win a Cup before the Habs do. Heck even any of the Orignal 6 team will win because they got the balls to rebuild but Montreal.

[@Cassandra_Solidor]

@@JustPuckinAround Welcome to the last decade. Bergevin has been making excuses practically all year. Let us never forget the infamous "This isn't Playstation" quote. His solution to everything is acquiring cast offs from other teams and hoping they work out. I've never seen such a passive GM.

[@stephendaley3185]

When will Molson fire Bergevin? He was absolutely fleeced in the Drouin/Sergachev deal. Bergevin is to the Habs as JFJ was to the Leafs.

[@prodICYN]

Stephen Daley wait, bergevin, fleeced in the drouin trade? What? Check your facts bro drouin is 10 times better than sergachev, and guess who won the subban trade, the domi trade, the paccioretty trade? Marc Bergevin

[@williamm1981]

Martin will remain the coach until Vigneault is fired by the Flyers in 4 years, at such time Coach V will be brought back for his 2nd stint. The cycle will continue. Bergeron will be fired and replaced by Serge Savard.. because French that's why

[@philly_sports1558]

Just look at Bobrovsky's struggles in Florida. That contract is going to be a killer.

[@bigsteed007]

As much as I love to see the Habs struggle, I kinda feel sorry for Price. Year after year, all the TV personalities can’t talk about him without saying “best goalie on the planet” “future hall of famer” but is he? What has he done? Does one good season give someone these titles? Only one 40+ win season while playing in an era that gives goalies wins for shootouts. Never made it past the second round of the playoffs. People will say “ya but he won a gold medal!” So CANADA, the deepest talent pool of hockey players in the world and favourites wouldn’t have won without him? He’s the reason they won? “Ya but he won the Hart trophy” There have been goalies that have had better seasons that didn’t get the Hart trophy! “Ya but it’s the team in front of him” Elite goalies of his status are able to take mediocre teams and make them contenders, make them go on magical runs consistently! Put him on any small market team with the exact same career and I ask, would we have the same conversations about him, would he be “the greatest goalie on the planet!!” and “future hall of famer!!!”?

[@bajikimran2304]

I'm a Blue Jackets fan and season ticket holder. I watched Bobrovsky's act for seven years. He runs hot and cold. When he's on, he's great, when he's off he's bad and he sulks if he's criticized. The Jackets have been fine without him. Ferraro is right when he says Florida dropped the ball when they gave him 10 million a year through age 37. They had a "meet and greet" for Bobrovsky down in Florida when he first signed. About 50 people showed up. The fact that the fan base was underwhelmed by his signing was the first sign of trouble in my estimation.

[@cjb4924]

50 fans showed up in sunrise? Sounds like most of their fanbase was thrilled since they all showed up.

[@lowlifeangler]

Elvis did pretty good against Vegas...I think Fluery was drunk to gave up a breakaway Wennberg goal!!

[@kennyg1358]

As a goalie I'll say I get too much credit for low GA outings and often too much blame for letting in 5+. The stats are only meaningful over a long sample size and taken in context of team defence and coaching style. Too often a gosling makes a pure luck save and gets heaps of praise meanwhile nobody notices the 10 solid positional/play reading saves. Or the box-out work and rebound clearing/ stick checking abilities of the defence goes under the radar.

[@CanadianBongRipper]

We should tank for Lafrenière, not kidding.

[@deltaecho1]

Is Lafreniere a generational player? Those are far and few in between. New Jersey has hirshier and jack hughes, and they're struggling.

[@CanadianBongRipper]

deltaecho1 Hughes is my favorite player but Lafrenière is on another level than him

[@McMc-bx7eu]

CANADIAN BONG RIPPER I totally agree , we’re not going anywhere , we need to start building , give our young players some time and HOPEFULLY Get laffy

[@steve8811]

deltaecho1 Hughes and hiesher are not generational players unlike mcdavid and laffy

[@xxligit]

deltaecho1 hughes isnt even close to lafreniere

[@DChappelle27]

Habs pissing away points to the Redwings😂

[@sojiroseta98]

....is great news considering the strong draft

[@sensfan7550]

At least fans who cheer for teams that are doing bad have something to cheer for

[@user-wp9mb5yq5e]

Habs pissing away points to Bernier lol.

[@TheAnthony55221]

As long as we give them points it’s fine

[@acanadianeh8344]

Red wings fan, we’ll take a Win tbh 😂

[@ad-wo2vg]

The "less dominant position" argument does not make a whole lot of sense to me. If it were allowed to wear huge equipment and all rules were in favor of goalies then anybody could do the job. Instead, as it becomes more difficult, good goalies should become more valuable.

[@ggavin9934]

Bergevin, "sun was in my eyes".

[@maxpowr90]

"Now where's my potted plant".

[@scatterthewinds3126]

"tomorrow is bicep day"

[@ggavin9934]

@robbie G The sun is still in my eye.

[@lgrw9883]

Bergevin missed out on aho

[@goalfield9689]

As a Habs fan agree with this 100%

[@rip_van_winkle1899]

Same

[@Evo134]

Feel ya

[@logan236]

I hate the talk about Price. Yes, he’s not has good as he used to be, but the team is 99% of the problem. Giving him break always, 2 on 1 and even 2 on 0 is ridiculous. Montreal needs to be better in front of him. (I’m a Montreal fan, and it hurts to suck..)

[@oliversudden1796]

logan236 I totally agree with you. Weber and Petry can score goals but are terrible defensively. Poor coaching I believe is the main reason for this teams downfall. Watching our three forwards getting caught deep and turning over the puck resulting in odd man rushes is getting old.

[@logan236]

I totally agree with the odd man rushes, I watch almost every Montreal game and see it happen all the time. I disagree with you saying Petry and Weber are bad, i think that they are some of the best players. (They don’t get caught deep and actually help Price)

[@ramin9510]

habs wasted habs price prime years

[@conorwreckoner]

That’s actually sad

[@jimrockqc]

Sadly true... When Bergevin got the team he had Price,Patch and Subban in their prime with a 3rd overall pick and looks wheres the team now smh

[@ramin9510]

Saints Jimmy it’s a damn shame. However in part I blame the city for insisting on French speaking gm

[@jimrockqc]

@@ramin9510 Yup 100% agree as a frenchie my self! Its not like if our greatest Coach and GM were not french canadiens... like Sam Pollock and Scotty Bowman lmao!

[@ramin9510]

Saints Jimmy honestly bro . It’s rough being a habs fan here in Toronto 😂

[@jasonmoldenhauer4368]

Price is still very good. The type of shots heist facing is the problem. Bad d-men and premo scoring chances. Don't count Price out.

[@sstamperr]

Jason MOLDENHAUER there’s no denying price is talented - believe me, id kill to have him in a leafs jersey - but he has had a rough season. the defence is invisible, but at some point, he needs to make some crucial saves - sure, it’s unfair to dunk on him so often, but eventually you need to realize that that’s the gig

[@pimentovideo1915]

Jason MOLDENHAUER the issue is that Price is paid to carry the team like he used to 4-5 years ago, but he is not as good anymore. He’s still a starting goalie in the NHL, but he’s not worth at all the 10.5 mil they owe him for 6 more seasons.

[@zachnelson4843]

I have to agree with ray on theses points

[@RedwingCaniac97636]

In today's NHL it is nearly impossible for a goalie to be consistently great. Nearly every goalie puts together a few good seasons then disappear for a few more. The Canadians are just missing that "IT" factor forward. Someone that can score the big goal in the final 5. Unfortunately, you usually have to be the 31st team to get that player.

[@bobbyrivet46]

Problem is 95% of the time that IT factor doesnt wana play in Montreal

[@Excel_Breaker]

Binnington is the only dominant goalie right now? Did they forget about Darcy Kuemper

[@fredrickrodriguez2175]

or tristan jarry..id add hellebuyck if he can get back to november form

[@A1-Franksauce]

The Storm Jarry would like to have a word

[@onelowvdub]

Trying to get first pick .I saw Edmonton do it for years

[@thehappycappy120]

Edmonton, Jersey lately are the Masters of constant #1 overall pick pathetic.if oil lose McDavid their season is over

[@VYT_Sports]

@@thehappycappy120 like draisaitl is useless? Yea, they need more than McDavid and Draisaitl, cause what the backup plan if these 2 are injured? You have to be lucky that the players in the ahl are something like them or at least help seal the hole

[@Sam-2468]

I still say Arizona gets him somehow

[@thehappycappy120]

@@VYT_Sports didn't say Mister sidesaddle was useless point is I know Edmonton fans all they talk about is Connor, from Bob Stauffer, Jack Michaels to the janitor at Rogers place to the janitor at ched radio is talk about Connor you guys are really sounding like a one horse team hope the the main stallion don't break a leg in the New Year

[@donovangermann022]

VastBluepuppy 424 truth is very few teams can afford injuries to key players.

[@de_STORM2]

The only way Price is traded is with MTL retaining 50% salary.

[@jiladoper2]

Charles H Or he goes to Seatle

[@de_STORM2]

@@jiladoper2 you mean traded or drafted by seatle ? because if it is the latter, he cant.

[@jiladoper2]

Charles H If prices wants to go to seattle, he can request a trade, if he doesnt want to he will stay in montreal, Montreal Can’t trade price if he doesnt want.

[@fwandersson9328]

I say if they retain 2,5M$ Price to COL, get Georgiev, give a 2nd and a 3rd (in whatever year) to NYR. Half of retained Cap to NYR and Half to COL. You get a keeper for a lot less Cap of the same standard and get rid of a bad contract..

[@jiladoper2]

Fw Andersson thing is Price as a “Non Trade clause” so the only way he is getting traded is IF and only IF he wants to get traded.

[@ninjabrett17]

Theres no problem with paying a goalie 10 million. Theres a huge problem with paying someone with carey prices current skill level 10 million.

[@colejohnson270]

John Smith goalies should get max 8 mil for top of the line

[@ninjabrett17]

@@colejohnson270 you can complain about your goalie making too much money when you actually spend to the cap ceiling.

[@segasys1339]

Youre way off bro. Price has carried this team season after season through relentless pressure. The Habs have basically said hey unless you’re the best goalie on a nightly basis we have no hope Of contending. He did it for a couple of seasons circa 2014-16 but it’s simply unreasonable to expect one man to perennially carry a franchise. Ffs they haven’t had a decent, reliable backup in years and he’s had to play multiple back to backs. Try actually watching the games every now and then and you’ll see his mechanics and technique are fine, he’s just overtaxed.

[@ninjabrett17]

@@segasys1339 you're way off bro. At no point did I ever say that price was never a good goalie. The unfortunate thing for Montreal is that they're now paying price for his past performances 4 years ago. Brodeur carried his team for years but it doesnt mean that a team should go out and sign him for 10 million dollars right now. And if you're getting paid double the average starting goalie, you better be able to handle larger work loads.

[@sojiroseta98]

I think the funny thing about this is that ppl actually think its 2010....do you know how much OV or Crosby would cost if they had to sign a new contract RIGHT NOW if it was their prime? Consider the year, the cap, the fact that fringe 'stars' can make 7-8+ mil and then talk, CP31 was coming off winning a hart trophy as a GOALIE within the last couple of years before his extension, most of you dont realize that what BOB signed for IS already the norm set for elite goalies with trophies to back them up, you guys think the goalies are lookin at Jeff skinner's salary and even tho THEY carry their teams more...are just gonna be like 'oh its all good im only a goalie so i should take less'....😂😂😂😂 you guys arent living in the real world

[@BTsMusicChannel]

That is a great point that Ferraro makes, that the NHL has done everything it can to minimize the effect of a great goalie and Patrick Roy revolutionized the position to the butterfly style in the 80-90s. Even back then, Roy's teams had great forwards (for example, Sakic & Forsberg plus high-quality defense like Foote & Blake). It used to be that you build from the back, starting with the goalie and defense -- they are on the ice more than the others. You still have to do that, but the Habs have gone without any game-changing forward since Kovalev. Centers have become more and more important, for sure. Maybe some of the young ones -- Kotkaniemi, Suzuki & Poehling -- will grow into that role, but a lot of the time the true greats start off great (by any standard) as rookies -- M Lemieux, Crosby, Gretzky, etc. It's too bad, I really like some of the hard working Habs forecheckers like Thompson, Cousins, Gallagher, and Armia. But you really need a game-changer or two up there too.

[@snortieshag2248]

Thank you Jamie mclennan you're a class act keep up the good work

[@chad_b]

I'm a Leafs fan but I'm still really disappointed with how bad price is lately. He was my favorite goalie in the league. I loved watching him playing for Canada in international tournaments

[@Gwarismetal]

Darcy Kuemper is a dominate goaltender this season, all of arizonas goaltenders are on fire right now

[@DanTheMan-hk4rv]

Little did they know habs would make the playoffs and price would play amazing

[@scottm9010]

I love listening to people complain about Price’s contract when he plays on a team that been 8.5+ mil under the cap the last 3 seasons.

[@RandomPlaceHolderName]

And they haven't seen him play either, just looking at his stats. 3.00gaa and .900 isnt that bad when you look at the Habs defense. Good grief are we terrible defensively.

[@Ty-ut8um]

When gally got hurt that really hurting them now💙🤍❤️.

[@TheHabsrule4]

Bet!!!! Your tunes have changed this week!!!

[@13CaptainPrice]

He’s not wrong in general, but goalies like Price and a few others who are elite should still be dominant on a good team, even with future rule changes

[@andrewburney8075]

MTL needs to focus on building around the young guys. They're not going to be able to do a quick fix around price and Weber to make them contenders. They have way more good young players that can turn into a real core in a few years and that should be their focus

[@easternsasquatch]

They overstressed Price. Right now, he still is in his prime years as a goaltender. The reason why Price isn't as good is because they took away ALL his chemistry and put it down the drain. Take that, and being Montreal's only decent goalie for a while (which means being a starter constantly), it'll drain anyone. Montreal needs to let Price go.

[@lorrainebunn7995]

What about a respectable backup maybe around 1m -2m ...they r out there...

[@amanibasubi4639]

When Marc Bergevin came at Montreal he had a potential stanley cup team at mtl.. now look at us.. he killed the Montréal Canadiens 😭

[@ms.felonystrutter2472]

MTL needs a better 2020 pick anyway

[@YT0091]

I've always felt this way. A good goalie is important, but you can't build a championship team when you spend 10% or more of your cap on 1 player who is guaranteed to not play every game.

[@danielmcdermott6098]

I’ve never seen something more true. On top of that a 10 million dollar forward underperforming is a ball breaker but if a 10 million dollar goalie under performers you’re in deep shit

[@steve8811]

This has been a horrible year for the habs covered with injuries I won’t be surprised if price had some sort of Injury hes playing through. As a habs fans I can tell when price is slow and for the half the season he looks extremely tired or even hurt. Even worse the defence has made price play even more harder

[@gnarlyismymiddlename]

You can't have dudes be 6 foot 7 AND have oversized gear, Ray. That was a necessary nerf for the position. The overall skill of the league just went up which is why you don't see as dominant of performances.

[@kulrajsingh9726]

Let Bergevin and Price be a cautionary tale to gm's who wish to spend $10.5 million on a position that can't score goals. goalies can only prevent you from losing (or delay your team from trailing).

[@markwilliams7962]

It's absolutely ridiculous signing any player to these types of contracts. The only thing that comes from doing this is players can play like bums with no consequences. How many times have we seen players play great until they sign those types of contracts then they play like grab. I'm sick of players saying there not there for the money but for the game because they love to play hockey, if that was true then they would work during the day like normal people and play at night like they did years ago.

[@charleswilbur8765]

I agree with Ferraro. From 1990 to the 2005 lost season, you almost needed a Vezina goalie to win a Cup. Brodeur, Hasek, Belfour, Roy. I’d say Mike Vernon was the worst of the bunch but he was still an All-Star. Now, look at since the lockout. Lundqvist, Price, Rinne, Bobrovsky, Luongo have combined for 0. Instead, rookies like Cam Ward, Antti Niemi and Jordan Binnington have won. They’re cheaper options that in today’s game allow teams to put their cap into the rest of the team. All goalies need to do is make all the routine saves. The advantage of having a Vezina supposed to a league average goalie is drastically smaller than it once was.

[@flipjamming]

I mean 5-6 injurys does not help especially when their most of the best fowards..they could be better still lol, but on the bright side this is a very good draft 2020 so tanking is not really that bad.

[@milan99cz]

And yet we have Florida signing underperforming Bob to a 10 m dollar contract while Driedger on a entry level is performing much better. Paying that much isn't simply worth it.

[@dontvoteforanybody3715]

It doesn't matter whether the goalie position is "dominant" or not. What matters is how many more saves a goalie makes compared to the other goalies in the league. In a league where teams score on average 5.00 goals per game, a goalie with a 4.00 goals against average is just as valuable as a goalie with a 1.60 GAA in a league where the average scoring is 2.00 per game. In the 1980s, Grant Fuhr could "steal" a game for the Oilers by making 2 spectacular saves while letting in 4 goals - because the opposing goalie couldn't make those same 2 spectacular saves against the Oilers, who would pot 5 or 6 goals and win. Fuhr's 2 extra saves per game contributed as much to the win as Gretzky's 2 extra goals. A good GM looks at the analytics. And none of this even matters when it gets right down to it, because salaries are based on supply and demand. If there is a glut of superb goalies wasting away in the minors, or in the KHL, teams will bring those goalies up and pay them less than the over-priced veterans for equal results. Whether the top-paying position in the league is the goalie, or the centre, or the defenseman, or the pure goal-scorer, depends on which of these is the most scarce in the pool of talent available. An excellent checker can be more valuable than a good goal-scorer: the plus/minus statistic is what really matters. It is said that a 50-goal scorer for Lou Lamarello was someone who scored 20 and prevented 30 over the course of the season.... How many times does the Stanley Cup go to the team with the best grinders rather than the best scorers?

[@geoffeuverman1569]

that was specifically for Bettman. Last time he presented the cup to Carbo and Savard. I knew then that this man was trouble.

[@anonykip]

Ferraro is spot on, I don't understand what kind of team Montreal is. They don't have high end talent and yet Bergevin keeps adding average and depth players. They don't even have a proper 1C.

[@ronsaustin]

Sell high on Weber. He may never have a season like this again.

[@tmlms1313]

With Weber's contract all you're getting is a mid round draft pick.

[@hannahperry7927]

Goalies are the most important spot on the team have a 10m contract is fine for the goalie it’s the players that are letting them down

[@ckendall67]

I coulda sworn the Habs were neck-&-neck with the Leafs in the standings at the Christmas break. And now I look and see the Habs have dropped 10 pts behind the Leafs and 7 pts back in the playoff race and have fallen from 2nd place in the Atlantic all the way down to 6th. If Carey Price were still playing like the so-called "Best goalie in the world" as people have constantly claimed millions of times over & over, then the Habs might still have a chance to rebound. But he's not. And neither are any of their back-up goalies. So I guess the Leafs aren't the only team that's had issues concerning their back-up netminding either. In any event....the Habs previously lost 8 in a row and now they've dropped 7 straight. You put two lengthy losing streak like that so close together in the same season.....can't say you're going to rebound from that pretty quickly. And now with Tampa having practically rocketed up the standings, you once again have Tampa, Boston, and the Leafs in the Top 3 in the Atlantic. The Panthers have a fighting chance to sneak their way in too. So this doesn't leave much room for the Habs to make any push in the standings given the circumstances.

[@herlevh19]

What they need to do is get lucky and to get lucky you need to take a chance on somebody. Look at what Yzerman did with the Fabbri for De La Rose trade. Those are the kind of trades they need to make to if they want to step up the game, now. the other way is to do it through the draft but that's gonna take atleast 3-4 years.

[@MaddRezz]

playoff teams don't lose to lottery teams, Habs are less than 2 weeks from the playoffs being over.

[@ianmcginn3094]

Detroit has beaten Boston, Dallas, and Vegas this year but ok

[@RandomPlaceHolderName]

Stlouis was dropping plenty of games in the first 40 games. Meanwhile Tampa 60 wins and ousted in the first round.

[@kodalycat906]

MaddRezz: But record tying/breaking President's Trophy teams go "4 and out" in the 1st round of said playoffs? With several "IT" factors in top 2 offensive lines and top defensive line (at least!)? Playoff teams can lose to lottery teams with some frequency and STILL find success in the playoffs, sometimes even making it to the SCF.

[@MrAlittleofeverythin]

Do analysts just forget that teams can retain salary up to I think 50%

[@ScaryRevenant]

MrAlittleofeverythin 5 million cap hit to get rid of a mistake is a big hit though

[@MrAlittleofeverythin]

@@ScaryRevenant I would just like to point out I don't think they should trade him but having 5 million against the cap is better then 10

[@ScaryRevenant]

MrAlittleofeverythin this is true but I just don’t know when GMs will learn from these mistakes

[@MrAlittleofeverythin]

@@ScaryRevenant as they say are you paying for his past or what he can do in the future

[@ScaryRevenant]

MrAlittleofeverythin yeah too many pay for past... in the defence of Chicago and their “legacy contracts “ at least they have three cups to show for it even if they are in cap hell

[@Feedback4Utoday]

Good pts.. Failed to mention real issue is owner /mgt is not really trying to win. Holding back $8m/yr to put in bank.. Not bringing in players... Wouldn't pay Radulov etc. Can win holding back $8m/yr.

[@Pete-th9oq]

Price has said, "..im beyond frustrated". This is "trade me" talk.

[@Gphazor]

I never thought I'd be concerned about my Wings winning a game, let alone against Montreal. we're still in last place by a mile but I'm looking at Montreal's 7 game loosing streak thinking "...Don't you dare." besides even if the habs got Lafreniere I'm sure Bergevin will find a way to ruin so why not have the decency to lt him go to a team with a firm chance at rebuilding and give him an environment to thrive? don't be cruel habs, think about it

[@petercasnocha5340]

With cap at 80ish millions you cant afford 10 mill to a goalie...period.

[@robertkasokeo1326]

Only if he plays like a god getting them cups but other than that, you’re right

[@poopcrust3400]

You really can’t win in this league without superstars. Montreal pissed away prices prime years. Time for a full on rebuild

[@teeus766]

2014 would've been a different story had price not got hurt in game 1

[@ckendall67]

@@teeus766 But even then, Jonathan Quick and the LA Kings weren't going to be denied that year.

[@RandomPlaceHolderName]

What superstars are in Stlouis?

[@poopcrust3400]

RandomPlaceHolderName petro, ror, tank

[@RandomPlaceHolderName]

@@poopcrust3400 Tank? Oreilly and pietrangelo are solid but hardly superstars. Oreilly cracked 70pts once and he's on pace to miss 20 goals this season.

[@yyzyyc9564]

Just lose the rest of the season and let's get lafrenier, guys name even sounds like lafleur

[@williamm1981]

How far behind is Byfield? The Habs need an elite center.

[@christiancomire1138]

Honeslty tanking it might be the best idea

[@Onlytheclouds]

Just because you tank doesn't mean you're getting 1st OA Ask Buffalo

[@christiancomire1138]

@@Onlytheclouds ofc not but its better better chances

[@Onlytheclouds]

Tbh I dont even like the habs I'm a leafs fan lol. I think making the playoffs would be easier for montreal than tanking to get best chance at 1st OA for LaF. Detroits record is abysmal they are definitely getting best odds.

[@hoofhearted1212]

Bishop and Khudobin have been fairly dominant. Stars get no respect though so

[@Zerochroma15]

TakeALookAtBanner the Stars could go 82-0 and the media would still forget about them

[@mellowdrone]

Ok, crybaby. Every time Jerry Jones sneezes its covered like a presidential election, so forgive the rest of the world if we don't drop to our knees to knobslob every Dallas team that goes on a hot streak.

[@Sammyyups]

How Overdrive not have its own KZbin channel yet???

[@Lion-gu7gn]

So glad to hear that segment, i've been assassinated on social media because i was saying Brgvin was a bad manager dealing the contract of Price & that Price was weak mentally and that we had to pamper him so many years for one very good year. Also that Bettman want more goals, that why you don't put your $ on a goalie, you can replace a goalie but not your capspace.🥅🔟5️⃣💲🚫❌🚫...BTW, Miller & Ferraro the best 1,2 to describe a hockey game.

[@ll7868]

Vancouver's gonna have a hard time keeping Markstrom if he wants to go over $7 million a season and his negotiations will certainly start higher. Even if he gets Hellebyuck numbers in the $6-6.5 range the Canucks will still have to give up someone like Baertschi, Roussel, Myers or Beagle for draft picks to stay under the cap. That Luongo contract at $3 million a season is still biting Vancity in the ass until 2021-22.

[@dottielaurie329]

Why does he have to face so many break always and 2 on 1s? Sometimes you see more than 1 player behind their defence. It is more of a defence problem.

[@hockeymike333]

There's so many good young goalies sitting on the bench because other goalies have huge 7-8 year contracts. No one in the NHL should be signed over 5 years, except maybe your mcdavid, crosby, datsyuk, ovi, mckinnons.

[@mafmaf6417]

The defence is horrendous. How many times are opposing players wide open in front of the net. Yes Price is not playing good. We have heard this now for at least a couple of seasons. The backups are no better. Montreal needs at least 2 stay at home defenseman. Do those guys exist anymore, I do not know.

[@jackjon7763]

The best goalies seem to be young guys. Once they have been in the league a couple years every team knows how to score on them. Murray is a pretty good example of it. He has insane hot streaks and then gets beat short side 3-4 times a night.

[@uppymcdowny58]

having an expensive goalie and not having a good defense in front of him, is like having an expensive QB but having no offensive line. Doesn't really matter who you got behind the line if he's taking up all your cap and the guys in front of him can't stop shit

[@joeygrossbeak4092]

Tatar (who is a complete) NHL player is also leading scorer: tells volumes about depth and skill.

[@joshbehehe]

Laferniere to Detroit along side veleno, zadina and Larkin. It's a start...

[@glenngayet3626]

Yes goaltending is a less dominant position than it used to be but Carey Price has already proven that he can play like a Hart trophy finalist with the smaller gear. At this point he is given a long leash in the hopes that he will eventually return to his former form. As far as goaltending dominance goes guys like Hasek, Roy, Giguere used to be able to carry teams over long periods of time i. e. seasons or playoffs. It’s harder to be dominant consistently now so goaltending is down to stealing games other than the rare occurrences of Fleury’s playoff run with Vegas or Price’s Hart trophy season.

[@ghostspectre1861]

"Satan, remember that?" Does he think we were born yesterday?

[@jenniferkovach5077]

Exactly , People never forget who I am!

[@leburn98]

Miroslav Satan's last season was in 2010. I know it's crazy to think, but I bet there are plenty of fans who are in their late teens or early 20s who don't know or remember him. Granted I'm sure Overdrive's audience skews slightly older.

[@stephenbailinC7GS]

I remember him from NHL 2K9 😂

[@nothing2see315]

Satan Lucifer Why you always gotta have those weird eyebrows when you take human form bruh?

[@olney28]

I remember #81 and especially that black and red jersey Buffalo had

[@fosterch11]

You have to be stacked with two separate young cores to afford a 10m goalie and win a Cup. Mtl has an outside shot at that.

[@mightytaco14]

KZbin thinks that ur speaking Dutch in captions

[@habsmcj]

Price should not be making 10.5M/year, he should be making 8.5M a year at most and the contract should've been 5 years max

[@steve8811]

This is why the habs need laffy

[@Jmnor60]

Your sport is in DIRE need of a new leader and more stars to market to the public.

[@slick116]

last price's contract was time to let him go ..winning hockey games has to happen at the other end of the rink..could of sign up couple real good forwards ..lots of excellent goalies out there if you give them a chance ..being a backup goaly for price is just a ballon loaded with lead

[@marcmerchant135]

Fast forward to today. Big change to the tune now eh, boys? Habs are contenders.

[@matsanchez3535]

Armia injury killed the habs also

[@smithryansmith]

I'm a Blues fan but I wouldnt call Binnington dominant. He's really good and is exactly what Jake allen wasnt (confident and reliable), but Binnington doesnt steal games. Hes just perfect for the Blues and good when he needs to be.

[@B1u35ky]

I knew Montreal wasn't a great team before the season started. Just look at the best forwards they have! Their top guys are like 2nd or 3rd liners on a dangerous offensive team. And they don't play well enough defensively to deal with that. I mean look at who they brought in, Kovalchuk. Lol. A team with lots of talent could bring somebody up from the minors and move people up the lineup to fill the holes. The habs don't have enough

[@grtwhtbfflo]

who's binnington? :P

[@-HockeySteve94-]

How are they Tanking if their whole top 6 is injured?

[@jakenavatka9431]

I personally find Holtby from the Capitals more impressive then Billington. But that's probably because the team in front of Holtby comes off more intense then the Blues do for Billington.

[@Jay9999]

Montreal needs to bring up a young beast of a defenceman to guard price like a vicious attack dog. They need Kieran Rucienski

[@ugna2773]

I think paying a goalie 10 mill is way to much. Max 8 mill. Period

[@drewjenkins2318]

@Jessie It's a problem today.

[@williamconstant3910]

but he is their Super star, without him they would be the red wings.

[@ugna2773]

@@williamconstant3910 i like carey price but i just think paying a goalie that much for that long is insane. And yes he is a superstar who is not playing like it. I understand he doesnt have much of a team infront of him and good for him to get the money he did but on the flip side montreal is not gonna win anytime soon so having carey price at that price is dumb. The leafs have alot of money on there top end and when anderson and rielly need contracts there going to have a really huge decision to make. Thats just the way it goes. Finding great scouts and signing entry level contracts that can contribute is key.

[@williamconstant3910]

@@ugna2773 but when you dont have anyone else. You have to pay more for players, and when they signed the contract he was in Prime. They made the choice of paying up, instead of being even bigger bottom feeders, and watching him play for someone else. They wasted his prime years, and he stuck around, he made them relevant then

[@ugna2773]

@@williamconstant3910 im not arguing that Carey price isnt good. Im arguing that its infact montreals fault for wasting his prime yrs and now there gonna be paying him big money for a team that cant play infront of him. Every yr Price is on a decline. Anderson arguably is the best goalie in the league right now and his contract is up soon. If i were the leafs i would be telling my scouts to look for the next best goalie because Anderson is going to want big money. And he probably isnt going to preform as much as the contract is going to pay because he s going to depreciate in his later yrs. Montreal needs to build a team from scratch to keep everyone in sync with contracts. Ofcourse id keep a few veterens but thats my opinion

[@draganbosnjakovic7173]

As a habs fan it's time to give up on the season.

[@toddlauretteHabsFan]

It's funny as soon as Price starts to lose a few games, everyone's talking about how the position isn't as strong as it was, and shouldn't command that much money, no one says shit when he's winning. Look at the team he's playing in front of, if he went to another team, i bet he would be the same old Price. Im honestly unsure if the Habs could beat Laval right now (their AHL team), and that's not an easy thing for me to say. I have been a Habs fan for 40 years.

[@toddlauretteHabsFan]

@Mitch Anderson Thanks for the insightful comment, I realize that, but one player shouldnt define a position.

[@rjf7023]

they're out.

[@owenhennessy6546]

price is sitting in his mansion laughing

[@deltaecho1]

You ever think Carey Price is going to want a trade?

[@stephengrabinsky7561]

None of them think fleury is a dominant goalie right now 👀👀

[@lowlifeangler]

Bluejackets scored 3 on Fluery last night!

[@rgood1204]

If Gallagher is the pulse, they are doomed. He was there for the 1st 8 game losing streak.

[@adametherington7010]

Easy that’s Ottawa and Ottawa’s picks this year ladies and gentlemen!! We’ll see Saturday hahaha

[@deantolton1589]

McNiven is the answer....get him back up there and give him the chance he deserves!!

[@Sin.Atonement]

Lost last night against an Oilers team that was off.

[@kokohead6]

With a name like Carey Price, he should be expected to Carey the team for such a high Price.

[@PooseUnpoos3]

Uh of course Price’s numbers are bad because the team in front of him likes to turn the puck over, wander around the ice aimlessly in their own end and give up breakaways almost every game. The defence needs to be better. It’s been Montreal’s enemy since the start of the season.

[@TheAnthony55221]

As a hand fan I’ve always said, let’s swallow our pride and accept we aren’t good and tank. We always want a winning team but look. Toronto has tanked and would we like to have a team like theirs? Plus we’ve always wanted a French Canadian star. Well lafreniere is right there.