Meeting with Gortash's parents. Baldur's Gate 3. Please comment, like and share! Thanks!
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@Ferzen5 ай бұрын
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@poshpolishpotato29765 ай бұрын
I didn't even realize that Gortash's parents were in the game.
@jessicaredmond89535 ай бұрын
Yes and they’re two free tadpoles! :)
@VigorMortis4134 ай бұрын
they abused him and sold him to raphael to my understanding. Another example of the cycle of abuse continuing, considering Gortash did the same to Karlach.
@huychinh64834 ай бұрын
Same bro I'm more than 800 hour and this is the first time I heard about it.
@TheAwkwardGuy4 ай бұрын
Act 3 is a beast. In most games, Act 1 is the largest. In Baldur's Gate 3...Act 3 feels like 4x the size of Act 1 and 2 combined.
@Mr_Smith6184 ай бұрын
I have played 3 runs and never found these people, unreal
@DEADLY_messenger5 ай бұрын
Its acually kind of sad when you think about the fact Gortash made them say all the things about mouring him and being proud, like he was creating the family he always wanted. Especially the bit about being his fathers apprentice, like he was trying to convince himself amf everyone that was what really happened.... Im gonna go cry now
@timetochronicle3 ай бұрын
Hurt people hurt people. It doesnt absolve Gortash of what he did, but it puts it into context. Its also why some evil path players wished the Gortash alliance didnt have Gortash taken out so early. He could have been an interesting final ally in the final battle (Imagine - Baneite support as an alternative to Ironhand)
@stargazing_gazer28472 ай бұрын
@@timetochronicle this is just not true at all- the game is drunk on the Freudian excuse. The fact is most people who do criminal actions are just evil or have low empathy due to psychopathy. Which is why child abusers/ and SA offenders & serial killers cant be "rehabilitated" they have high levels of recidivism. Stop the cope and hold people reasonable for their behavior.
@thisislame22072 ай бұрын
@@stargazing_gazer2847And the award for this comment section's dumbass award goes to this person! Congratulations! Nobody was excusing him, they were simply saying it gives context as to why Gortash went from some nobody with no real history being a terrible person prior to being sold off to almost becoming a usurping ruler sided with a bunch of wackos trying to control a netherbrain and forcefully mind control everyone. Also this "the fact is most people who do criminal actions are just evil or have low empathy due to psychopathy" Lumping in someone who has to steal food to survive with abusers, killers, and SA offenders is kinda wild. Might want to recheck your self proclaimed "Fact" on apparently every criminal action.
@canifer55462 ай бұрын
@@stargazing_gazer2847 Genuinely don't even know where to begin with how wrong you are. Making the case that some people are just born evil, and that no one is a product of their circumstances is absolutely wild.
@cridow2 ай бұрын
@@stargazing_gazer2847 crime and abuse exists in a much larger context than simply being born one way or another, what a stupid, simplistic mindset you have.
@womble9015 ай бұрын
And there's Minsc standing there in their son's clothes. And they don't comment.
@twistedelegance_4 ай бұрын
Literally nobody in the city even notices.... It sucks
@2abby12214 ай бұрын
i was thinking the same thing
@edmiliband28065 ай бұрын
Something depressing about how Gortash might be making them talk how he wanted them to talk about him. With approval, not shame
@srellison5614 ай бұрын
The only difference between this conversation before Gortash is dead and after he's dead is the mention of being in mourning. Otherwise, it's the same.
@Mithcoriel5 ай бұрын
Neat. That hat really brings out Astarion's elf ears.
@kanaric5 ай бұрын
Sounds like Gortash was a totally normal child and selling him to this warlock is what made him the way he was, but even when he was more evil after that he was the most reasonable of the three by far. Parents deserve their fate tbh LOL
@pyechos5 ай бұрын
my thought exactly, they never cared about him and hated him since the day he was born. he's a nice dude, i wish there was a way to be TRUE allies
@Xxsorafan5 ай бұрын
He’s not a nice dude now lol! Remember the part of him selling karlach, the woman who admired him, to the hells?
@pyechos5 ай бұрын
@@Xxsorafan well he's nice to my durge and for a villain run, that could be cool
@Ultima2285 ай бұрын
If you do some digging, and reading in The House of Hope, you find that the "Warlock" that they sold him to, was Raphael in disguise. He wasn't sold to a Warlock. He was sold to a devil.
@jessepinkman31085 ай бұрын
@@Ultima228 which is ironic cause he end up selling karlach to zariel. the guy who was sold to a devil end up selling someone to a devil.
@MrThestranger05 ай бұрын
7:15 Karlach just singing in front of Gortash mind controlled parents is very on point
@Kate-ie7vx4 ай бұрын
*tap dances in place*
@elenalizabeth5 ай бұрын
I love how empathetic Karlach is, even to someone as horrible as Gortash. Kinda the opposite of Astarion who is so full of hate, Karlach is so full of love even after everything she has been through.
@katiebayliss98875 ай бұрын
To be fair, Karlach was in hell I think for a decade(10 years), while Astarion was enslaved by Cazador for either 100 or 200 years(what happened to Karlach was still very bad, I’m not discounting that. Just that 100 years probably would have made her more crazy honestly. I love Karlach so much 🫶)
@elenalizabeth5 ай бұрын
@@katiebayliss9887 yeah I know, but it’s also partly just their personalities. Astarion was always power hungry and only looking out for himself, even when he was still just his mortal elf self. Karlach has always been caring and looking out for others, that’s how she got the job with Gortash to begin with.
@SeventhheavenDK5 ай бұрын
@@katiebayliss9887. That doesn't change the fact that Karlach is more resilient. I'm very sure Astarion was nasty from the beginning.
@AdeptKing5 ай бұрын
It is a credit to Karlach's character plus I think its a bit different to suffer 10 years vs suffering a century or two like Astarion or Aylin did.
@givebackmybreadsticks5 ай бұрын
but to an elf or an immortal, living 700+ years, surely 100 years is around 10 years for someone who only lives around 70-90 years like karlach? either way...trauma does different things to different people
@thevoidcritter5 ай бұрын
Sounds like Gortash was probably a mostly normal kid, and his parents had a kid when they weren't prepared to (either out of feeling obligated or just as an accident). When parenthood turned out to be harder than expected they grew to resent their son. They're terrible parents, but once Gortash became an adult he chose to repeat the cycle of shit.
@DIEGhostfishАй бұрын
I don't think that's necessarily the case. Could be a few factors, she could be telling the truth and he was a bad seed to start with, or she could be justifying selling her son to save "Their own and his" life ex-post facto by twisting her memories of him to be miserable after the fact. Or maybe the parents were evil to start with whether or not he was good or evil himself. Or maybe you're right. Many many possibilities, none of them very pleasant.
@lilhogfellaАй бұрын
@@DIEGhostfish I'd believe that Gortash was a bad kid from the start because unfortunately that can happen, but the only examples they cite are basic behavioral issues like "demands" and "constant whining." It sounds like they really were just terrible parents.
@DIEGhostfishАй бұрын
@@lilhogfella Indeed, that does seem the most likely, though they did mention something about little cruelties.
@bimasetyaputra838116 күн бұрын
Even if gortash is a bad kid, selling him for a few coins is a special kind of evil
@thevoidcritter15 күн бұрын
@@lilhogfella I used to work with kids before my immune system took a nosedive; I remember listening to that dialog and thinking "you are describing a normal 9 year old"
@heylolp92 ай бұрын
The banality of Evil is presented so well in this game
@inanimatesum4945Ай бұрын
Its interesting how Orin seems to be the only actual monster amongst the 3, Thorm and Gortash have a bad hand dealt but fell into the dark abyss that it created while still having some semblance of regret and empathy for what they did.
@raistlin3462Ай бұрын
Orin was the product of incest between Sarevok and his own daughter. She was raised inside a cult of murder and depravity. And yet, everything she did was to gain the approval from her dad and her god. Neither of whom truly gave a damn about the poor Baalspawn. Not sad enough? If your MC reveals the truth to Orin, she will have a breakdown just by questioning her role for first time ever. Yet in that moment Baal will turn Red into Slayer, denying her only moment of self-determination.
@inanimatesum4945Ай бұрын
@@raistlin3462 holy crap, that Bha’al family staircase of psychos? So the only irredeemable evil is the Elder Brain in this game
@xdervin6114Ай бұрын
@@inanimatesum4945 That's not even all of it either. She didn't just break over incest. She killed her mother as a child in self defense and was told her mother attempted to attack her out of jealousy when in reality she was ordered to by sarevok as an offering for bhaal in a bid to make her chosen. Sarevok has a journal where he says he only fathered orin with the sole intention sacrificing her as a grand offering. The only reason she has lived this long is because bhaal marked his territory by possessing her after she killed her mother saying he has plans for her. Said plans also being to sacrifice her.
@pennclickАй бұрын
@@xdervin6114the hell does Bhaal do with all these sacrifices damn
@zeto1204 ай бұрын
Nice, more tadpoles to collect!... I mean, oh no, poor people :(
@Sirawxy3 ай бұрын
I wouldn’t say they are that poor tho 😂
@Kate-ie7vx4 ай бұрын
I thought the title was clickbait, but lo and behold you can find his parents! How thoughtful of Larian
@BeccaTehBunny5 ай бұрын
…am I supposed to feel bad for Gortash or his parents?
@dariaradac4235 ай бұрын
For none.
@StephenMcGann5 ай бұрын
You're supposed to feel bad for a young gortash
@Zaxares5 ай бұрын
@@StephenMcGann The mother claims that young Gortash was already a monster, well on the path to evil, though she does not elaborate on what exactly made her form that opinion. Her claim may not be true (she could be lying her ass off for all I know, or exaggerating normal youthful misconduct into something more serious/sinister), but in D&D lore there are many cases of what are basically "bad seeds", characters who were always Evil from the start. Personally, I don't know who to believe. I think Gortash probably always had inclinations towards Evil, but his experiences as a child pushed him well over the edge and turned him into a villain.
@ssanchez4545 ай бұрын
I think the Flynns, Gortash, and Karlach are part of a cycle of abuse theme. His parents are awful, but at one point in his life he became responsible for his actions and never changes, Karlach did decide a different path (or at least can) but is also influenced by her lot in life. That’s her freak out when he dies, and her avoidance of the reality of her death in act 2.
@animagkrasver98725 ай бұрын
Are you supposed to feel bad for Caszador? More like nah. Like the next person said, it's more of a "look at this cycle of abuse, passed from one generation to another, look at them and don't be like those people, stop the cycle" like it's sad that this happend to them but it doesn't erase and/or excuse their evil deeds. Well, what Karlach said basically
@TheLeviathan12935 ай бұрын
The first time I heard them I thought they were jerks. This time they don't seem as bad as the first one though.
@jackripley39065 ай бұрын
Well...they did sell him off to a devil.
@TheLeviathan12935 ай бұрын
@@jackripley3906 Yeah they did.
@MomJeans17384 ай бұрын
They did sell him off to the devil
@lonew872Ай бұрын
They did sell him to a devil
@hanasan4845Ай бұрын
I dunno, I feel sorry for everyone here and for no one at the same time. Because selling your child to a warlock, and having no regrets, just because he was a fussy annoying kid... But trapping a person inside their own mind, walking around but not allowed to say anything, or seemingly just erase the other's personality out of existence, leaving a puppet in place... Both is terrible. But what's also sad, is that while controlled, Gortash's parents speak of him with love, say he was raised within these walls... It makes it feel like that's what Gortash wanted from them and never got, so he at least made them say it for the illusion, and that's just sad, even if he's terrible. I wonder what the fake parents would say if Gortash came to visit. The image of them being loving and welcoming him happily, Gortash happy on the surface, trying to ignore his mind reminding him it's just empty words he's implanted into their mouths himself... That just sounds tragic.
@stalwart56k4 ай бұрын
I swear the father is the same face model/bone structure as Withers. Maybe also the same voice actor Stephen Boxer
@Re3Ns5 ай бұрын
Did they sell him to Raphael?
@exterminatusbutton87235 ай бұрын
Yeah
@ladynymue5 ай бұрын
@@exterminatusbutton8723 didn't they say they sold him to a warlock? What did I miss that states Raphael bought him?
@exterminatusbutton87235 ай бұрын
@@ladynymue I’m a bit rusty with bg3 lore, but I think that the warlock was acting on Raphael’s behalf, which makes Raphael Gortash’s adoptive father. However I’m not sure because I haven’t played the game in a while so feel free to search it up cause I might be wrong.
@zhengsun84165 ай бұрын
@@ladynymueNubaldin, when he was the one in charge of the prison at the House of Hope he let Gortash escape.
@malo30345 ай бұрын
@@exterminatusbutton8723 Yep! In the House of Hope, you can read notes where there are information about Gortash as a child, enslaved by Raphael
@DIEGhostfishАй бұрын
I kinda wish we'd seen his dad's original personality. It seems harder to write a resentful father than a mother for some reason. I feel like it could focus more on the "It was for his own good, look how far he rose because of it!"
@nyminhАй бұрын
There is a video "speak to dead with Gortash parents" and there you can get a bit of an idea of what Gortashs dad actually thought about him.
@mulqueen20232 ай бұрын
Being sold by his parents to a devil. No wonder he winded up the way he did.
@rowbeans-l1n3 ай бұрын
"World-ending debts" Ya got that right
@melissajade77173 ай бұрын
Two free tadpoles. I always end their suffering.
@Voldrim35913 күн бұрын
They are in hell or will end up in hell anyway... If they do not end in the Abyss too, of course...
@caseyb1346Ай бұрын
99% sure if Homelander had these worms he'd do this to everyone in his life.
@justinanderson17054 ай бұрын
I assume theres no way at all to help these 2 aside from assuming they're freed after you defeat the final boss, eh?
@Karamaru_CrowАй бұрын
I just realized that Gortash is Iruma if he would turn evil from Welcome to Demon school Iruma-kun.
@SwedePotato314Ай бұрын
Well, they sound horrible. They created a horrible child that they resented taking care of. Then sold him to a warlock. I have no sympathy. Doesnt Gortash had to go and do ALL THAT but they gets no sympathy from me.
@amber61pop4 ай бұрын
ooooo i wonder if you get more information if you disguise yourself and use speak with dead
@tyrant-den8845 ай бұрын
dang, he Get Out-ed them.
@mahmud76454 ай бұрын
Oh so his Parents SUCK just as bad, selling your Son to a Warlock, just wow.
@brimstned4203 ай бұрын
the warlock was actually raphael in disguise too ...
@JohnSmith-bn5mi2 ай бұрын
... crafty bastard. He essentially forced the same choice on them that they did on him. Keep living through hell, hoping that someone or something will come along to free you... or die. They may not have had GOOD options, but it wasn't the binary choice that the mother presents it as.
@CanalDoPotatoras3 ай бұрын
Didn't knew that welp another one to do list when i start my dark urge playtrough
@RewwghАй бұрын
This is really interesting! I love Larian's attention to detail. Anyway, why does Astarion have Sauron following him? D:
@lucasprestes19 күн бұрын
Ow, just did it last night. At that point figured they were suffering enough already and went for the tadpole harvest
@Voldrim35913 күн бұрын
Don't worry... Souls rotten like those end up in the Nine Hells... Or the Abyss... Not like it would make much of a difference
@demaciaguy15804 ай бұрын
Dark urge writing in the book :)
@ManubibiWalsh5 ай бұрын
Astarion’s hat.....
@susanshafer4296Ай бұрын
It's a plus 2 charisma hat.
@IrisGlowingBlue5 ай бұрын
Thanks for the clip! That was cool and normal /jk
@malikto15 ай бұрын
I wanted their worms too.
@Brainfly-4 ай бұрын
I kill them for their tadpoles in every playthrough and I don't feel bad for it lol
@Nyx_RoomАй бұрын
Can you knock them unconcious and renove their tadpoles?
@suqi02105 ай бұрын
HE HAS PARENTS???
@theveganduolingobird73494 ай бұрын
He had parents
@sour.e45914 ай бұрын
killed them both in my playthrough, worth it
@argus4064 ай бұрын
That summon looks sick! What is it?
@Ferzen4 ай бұрын
Fire Myrmidon
@argus4064 ай бұрын
@@Ferzen thank you!
@rachelbishop-ross1377Ай бұрын
Good way to farm two extra worms!
@MelBryantmusic4 ай бұрын
oops i ended them before i could get the chance lol
@_Mushroom_boy_2 ай бұрын
"Yo we killed yo boi"
@legomojoАй бұрын
So like 90% the same as if you meet them before he’s dead. 😂
@someonestolebigboi-imbigboi2 ай бұрын
"come again soon!" I wont :)
@CzolgoszWorkinManАй бұрын
kilgrave's parents
@TheLeviathan12935 ай бұрын
Oh, nice.
@JuliaWAE2 ай бұрын
No point killing them the nether brain will do that lol everyone with a tadpole gets turned and killed by the end, what I think its a little dumb if no brain is controlling a mind flayer they still have their personality but very very muted ppl just killing them all in that last cutscene was like?? Sure the ones that still kept fighting deserve it others just trying to run not harming anyone are just victims
@DIEGhostfishАй бұрын
Once they turn, they're dead
@JuliaWAEАй бұрын
@DIEGhostfish no they're mind flayers most who you were is gone cause mind flayers barely have emotions but it is still you, mind flayers are evil and soulless yes, but in dnd evil is very black and white being an evil creature doesn't mean you're hostile against everyone just because, its not disney evil lol and sousless just means when you die you won't go to any of the afterlives and no god will give 2 shits about you + if you get to X range to any elder brain they will control you and merge your consciousness with the hive mind, as long as you can control your hunger you're just like a vampire but less emotional and more logical, tbh vampires are more dead than mind flayers they're actually considered undead lol while mind flayers are not
@DannyPotatoАй бұрын
this sentence was so difficult to read bro
@elitebelt2 ай бұрын
Gortash was sold to a Warlock who was working on Raphael's behalf. Gortash was imprisoned in the House of Hope by Raphael, his own parents grew to hatefully resent their own child, it's not wonder he turned out the way he did. It's a shame.
@anotheryoutubed2 ай бұрын
I enjoyed ending them
@Quetzal19122 ай бұрын
Where i can obtain that karlach armor
@Ferzen2 ай бұрын
As I remember you can buy it in Rivington's armory shop from female Dragonborn merchant
@ВладиславБулаев-л3эАй бұрын
It's a shame they changed the default color of this armor. It looked perfect on Karlach.
@lonesomeraineful5 ай бұрын
What armor is that on Astarion?
@Ferzen5 ай бұрын
Armour of Agility. You can buy it near Sorcerous Sundries.
@lonesomeraineful5 ай бұрын
@@Ferzen omg thank you so much!
@midnightdreams81364 ай бұрын
Thank you for the spoiler.. wtf.
@uraverageperson95854 ай бұрын
Whats the spoiler lmao
@reecedactyl4 ай бұрын
bro why even click on here LMAO
@Mr_Smith6184 ай бұрын
Spoiler? I've done 3 runs and haven't seen them. So glad I saw this
@skycrafter20424 ай бұрын
you're the one who clicked on it, almost a year after the game came out
@oddaj_maslanke_skurwielu39555 ай бұрын
You should talk with them after theirs death.
@elenalizabeth5 ай бұрын
Like use “speak with dead” on them?
@Mithcoriel5 ай бұрын
@@elenalizabeth Yes. You even see they glow green, meaning they have something to say. Karlach can't talk to them cause she's the one who killed them, but when the player selected Astarion you could even see the option right there.
@helcostr62805 ай бұрын
@@Mithcoriel u mean /Karlach's face/ can't talk to them (*pulls out a seeming scroll*) edit: (oh god... my text formatting didn't go through. guess I'm resorting to old school markup formatting)