FFB Rudders are INSANE: Brunner CLS-E MK II Review

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G-LOC MEDIA

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@RaulEdu33 11 ай бұрын

Severely underrated channel. The editing and attention to detail are top!

@g-locmedia 11 ай бұрын

Thank you so much. That means a lot.

@miket3445 6 ай бұрын

Yes I’d love to see you do a vid on how to tweak the CLS2Sim software! Cheers

@TGabrielTPOI 10 ай бұрын

You have tool tips for the Brunner software in their manual. It’s a steep learning curve but once you get into it, it’s very intuitive. Thank you for featuring me in your video (my name appears in the profile list)

@rmm9676 10 ай бұрын

Your attention to the key points and clear explanations are just so welcome. Most of the other super popular Flight Sim channels are mostly just product promotion. Your videos have more substance and help us to be fully informed. I wish you great success. The community is enriched by your hard work.

@g-locmedia 10 ай бұрын

Thanks so much for the feedback. Glad the videos are helpful.

@tedwaetford 10 ай бұрын

Have you managed to get the toe brakes working properly? They don't work as an axis in MSFS, instead sending repeated TOE BRAKE simconnect events, meaning if you hold them even just slightly down, they go all the way to full anyways.

@g-locmedia 10 ай бұрын

I haven't noticed it doing it with mine. I'll have a look at that.

@DenverParaFlyer 8 ай бұрын

did you have a chance to look?@@g-locmedia

@tedwaetford 10 ай бұрын

Well I've ended up buying both the yoke and pedals, solely based on your videos. You deserve some commission from Brunner! I see what you mean about these pedals, they really are quite the surprise. If I had to give up the yoke or the pedals, I'd probably keep the pedals. The change in behaviour between ground handling versus high speed flight is quite remarkable, and very very satisfying.

@g-locmedia 10 ай бұрын

Glad your loving the pedals and the yoke. Both are superb products.

@JMsoo 8 ай бұрын

What yoke did you get? I wanted first to buy only the NG than I thought of taking the Mark II, and now I am thinking of taking the NG plus rudder.

@g-locmedia 8 ай бұрын

@@JMsoo if it’s a choice of yoke and rudder vs the MKII yoke alone I’d go for the yoke and rudder. Rudders are amazing.

@TGabrielTPOI 10 ай бұрын

I first bought the yoke and thought I didn’t need the rudders, but I was so wrong. The rudders are fantastic. Been enjoying the whole set for years now

@g-locmedia 10 ай бұрын

It’s such a fantastic combo. Which yoke do you have?

@TGabrielTPOI 10 ай бұрын

I have the original MKII yoke , with the black and white display. The newer version has that artificial horizon instead. You should have asked for that yoke instead for review. It’s so much better than the NG one.

@g-locmedia 10 ай бұрын

@@TGabrielTPOI really. What make is better is it just the longer travel or are you getting more fidelity in the feedback.

@TGabrielTPOI 10 ай бұрын

@@g-locmedia stronger forces and motors, longer travel, better components. The MKII is actually used for professional simulators and it is FAA certified for training.

@mikeball1903 10 ай бұрын

How does your cockpit have motion? I am brand new to the Sim world. I'm looking at the NLR Flight Simulator Pro, but I don't see how it would move at all. Your video shows your seat and your desk moving side to side. What makes that work? Thanks!

@g-locmedia 10 ай бұрын

The motion platform mounts directly to the flight sim Pro

@g-locmedia 10 ай бұрын

Just under the seat at the back

@shauntune4496 9 ай бұрын

@@g-locmedia Is it an NLR motion platform? If so, do you have the Motion Platform Plus or the Motion Platform V3? I'm currently running the MPP, really happy with roll but I can't get the pitch working smoothly.

@Gunfreak19 7 ай бұрын

Have you tired using them as anti torque pedals? I have the brunner joystick base. And fly mostly DCS. I love the stick both as a flight stick and as a cyclic. So if the pedals also work as anti torque pedals that would be awesome.

@g-locmedia 6 ай бұрын

I haven't. I don't really fly choppers

@AeroMaize 11 ай бұрын

Picked these up Friday. Expensive as many say, yes. But based mainly on your videos they look to be quality. Look at sim racing hardware… quality top of the line stuff is just as expensive yet people pay for it because they want the best experience. Thank you for the reviews and insight because there is not much on YT for these rudders.

@g-locmedia 11 ай бұрын

No worries mate. Come back here and tell us how you get on.

@AeroMaize 10 ай бұрын

@@g-locmedia ok got the rudders. I will say your video is not over hype. These are fantastic. I’m flying the TBM 850 and I can feel everything from ground imperfections to the rudder kicking in turbulence. The software does look dated. But the “?” Links to a KZbin video to help calibrate force. I’m so impressed I ordered the yoke. Thank for your video because you are one of the only people that reviewed these. I may do one as well to have more available for others.

@g-locmedia 10 ай бұрын

@@AeroMaize awesome glad your loving the rudders. I think over time with tuning and more understanding of the software they just keep getting better.

@likes2fly 7 ай бұрын

Ok got my pedals in today and they are up and running. Could you show your settings for the pedals. One problem with the pedals is they share most of the same settings with the yoke. The turbulence I might would keep in the pedals, but I don't want it in the yoke. The indention for neutral is to strong can this be changed. I've tried adjusting the curve that's just for the pedals but its the same tension throughout. I love all the tension, it's absolutely awesome. It should ease up once the plane is moving to taxi and then tighten back up after some speed or a lot of throttle is applied. Its to sensitive just like the yoke but the only adjustment is in msfs (overall)settings which I set to -99, this works great for the yoke, but the rudder is still a bit too sensitive. I really don't understand how to adjust the curve to be honest, I'm not sure how that curve works. The vibrations in the pedals go away as soon as you move the pedals any at all. If you could show me how to lessen the indent and lessen the sensitivity more than I have. Love your videos and I hope you can help.

@g-locmedia 7 ай бұрын

Hello mate. Unfortunately the pedals were sent back to Brunner after the 3 month trial period for testing and review. I'll have a look in the software over the weekend to see if I can refresh myself on how I had it set up as I had it working quite well. Also try reaching out to Brunner direct. I reckon they will be quite happy to help you get set up the way you want it.

@tedwaetford 11 ай бұрын

Ignoring price altogether, if you could only have these rudder pedals or a motion rig (to go with the FFB yoke) - which would you choose? Just trying to get a handle on immersion value.

@g-locmedia 11 ай бұрын

That’s a difficult question. It’s pretty close but I reckon the motion platform might just get the nod. The motion platform won’t add any realism to flying the actual plane but wow does it make flight simming incredibly fun.

@tedwaetford 11 ай бұрын

@@g-locmedia thanks for the insight. That's a good point about fun vs realism.

@julianhall2008 11 ай бұрын

Thanks for the review, i have the yoke and plan to get a set sometime next year, any chance you could contact Brunner and get the joystick base and review that? Here in France add 20% import tax , its probably the same for the UK . I fly in VR most of the time in a motion rig (DOf p3) the ffb really adds to the immersion, it does what the ffb wheels do for the driving sims , feeling the pressures from side winds and turbulence ,flying in the mountains as you cross ridges etc amazing, i have the honeycomb, which is a good yoke ,however its force's are fixed. I do realise not everyone has the means or the inclination to spend the best part 2200 euro on a set of pedals( tax and delivery). But if you want a home sim rig to be as realistic as possible the Brunner products are one of the ways to do that. (at a premium) I use remote control power sockets (very cheap) to get around the lack of a power switches , Brunner yoke/lighthouse tracking etc. Saves having to grop around trying to find the on / off buttons.

@g-locmedia 11 ай бұрын

Thanks for your insight. Great feedback and helpful for others.

@g-locmedia 11 ай бұрын

Also the Stick looks really interesting. I’ll check with them and see if it’s possible.

@julianhall2008 11 ай бұрын

@@g-locmedia that would be great if you can, there are a couple of reviews out there but not much. Regards Julian.

@tedwaetford 10 ай бұрын

Hi again, do you have the Wilga? It's a nightmare in crosswinds, would love to hear how these pedals go with it.

@g-locmedia 10 ай бұрын

No I haven't but I'll have a look and see how much it is.

@PWingert1966 11 ай бұрын

FYI I $CDN these are $2781! Staggering! But taken as apart of a wholly immersive cockpit not too bad.

@g-locmedia 11 ай бұрын

They do add a hell of a lot to a high end sim.

@Leonardo_davinci_ 7 ай бұрын

I am curious to know if you can share with us the experience of an engine failure in the Zibo B737 exactly during the takeoff! What does it look like? could you please try it and tell ? Thanks! I am about to buy this Brunner only to practice the engine failures. So I am curious how it looks like the feedback in return and if it is really worth spending 1800€ to have the real feedback or if it is just fine also the Thrustmaster TPR. In real aircraft, I am talking about B737, you don't need the rudder that much, except taxing-in, to maintain the centerline for takeoff and coordinate turn, and of course engine failure. otherwise, the "yaw damper " is doing the job for you. So before buying in could be andy to know the feedback you have during the engine failure simulating a B737 you have available in your sim. Thanks so much!

@g-locmedia 7 ай бұрын

Hello mateZ unfortunately the rudders were returned to Brunner in January this year. I only had them for 3 months of testing to create the video.

@tedwaetford 11 ай бұрын

Did you have to use the E2Can gateway when you have the yoke and pedals together?

@g-locmedia 11 ай бұрын

I the pedals connect direct to the yoke then to the PC.

@RandyWatson80 7 ай бұрын

would love a sub 1000usd yoke and rudder.

@g-locmedia 7 ай бұрын

I think it will come sooner than later

@Smokeyr67 3 ай бұрын

Keep an eye on Moza and WinWing 👍

@majestic-skies 11 ай бұрын

Wow 1800 pounds is pretty insane (likely $2500!?) looks amazing but yeah this one's not in the budget for me. 😂

@g-locmedia 11 ай бұрын

They are amazing but like you say not in many peoples budget.

@aapje 11 ай бұрын

This seems for the 'money no objection' crowd.

@grahamw7657 11 ай бұрын

How many sim titles support this?

@g-locmedia 11 ай бұрын

You have MSFS, X-Plane, DCS and Prepared. I only tested in MSFS though.

@m.a.bouman6708 7 ай бұрын

Do use the rudderpedals now for 2 years. In my experience one can not fly without them. Rudder needs constant input. And non motorized rudderpedals just will not do the trick. If you can spend the money: do so!!

@g-locmedia 7 ай бұрын

Totally agree with you on that one

@ZoeSummers1701A Ай бұрын

Helo use?

@cptairwolf 11 ай бұрын

Brunner makes amazing products but they really need to find a way to lower their prices if they wanna break into the mainstream market.

@g-locmedia 11 ай бұрын

Just out of interest what price do you reckon these rudders would need to be to be more accessible?

@WhiteHawk77 10 ай бұрын

Well that’s the thing, they don’t make products for the mainstream, they make products for professional training use, they just don’t restrict anyone from buying them and using them at home. Some companies just don’t care about lowering quality to lower prices to be a mainstream company.

@TGabrielTPOI 10 ай бұрын

Brunner CLS-E, E comes from economic. Comparatively VirtualFly charges similar prices for a far inferior product. Brunner is the king of peripherals that we can afford in home cockpits

@christophergaus3996 3 ай бұрын

I just got a full force feedback yolk for $1100, so these guys need to cut their costs in half

@Nuclear__HS 11 ай бұрын

If Brunner could find a way to have these come in around 1,000$ somehow I wouldn't turn my nose up so much at them. You can get the Honeycomb Alpha/Bravo/Charlie sets, 2 Logitech radio panels, the autopilot panel, a trackIR or a tobii eye tracker, maybe a cheap tablet for navigraph/FMC/MCDU or a couple "study level" aircraft, and maybe have enough money left for a GPU upgrade for the price of JUST these pedals.

@g-locmedia 11 ай бұрын

They are expensive but squarely aimed at deep flight sim enthusiasts with a bit of cash and possible training schools. I think this tech might filter down and we could see some more entry level option become available over the next few years.

@Nuclear__HS 11 ай бұрын

@@g-locmedia Yeah, I'm not hating on the technology, or the individuals/schools who can afford these, but they're just so astronomically out of reach for even heavy enthusiasts.

@johnwjensen 11 ай бұрын

Hang on. Do you have a motion platform now? Or is your partner just shaking your rig?

@g-locmedia 11 ай бұрын

My apartment is shaking the rig. It’s $10 per hr.

@airspro5666 5 ай бұрын

Help we a DCS Rudder profile please …

@g-locmedia 5 ай бұрын

Hello mate. I don't have the rudders anymore as they had to go back to Brunner.

@airspro5666 5 ай бұрын

@@g-locmedia sorry about that , I don’t have MS current flight sim . Not feeling much in Warbirds in DCS , it does show up to det rudder etc . I will get MS 2024 when it comes out . About the power , I have the power brick on my desk , so I just unplug there , easy enough. Cheers .

@airspro5666 5 ай бұрын

Finally broke down and am downloading FS 2020 . Hopefully I will get to feel some of these effects you talked about . cheers