WINWING's Warning Shot! Orion Rudder Review

[@g-locmedia]

The full instructions can now be found on the WINWING website

[@MeplusYellow]

Probably better to not waste the paper and go eco friendly. The KZbin tutorials are a lot less annoying than reading text and diagrams tbh. Well worth an extra 10 minutes for something I’ll be using for hundreds of hours. Great video and love the channel!

[@JETMATE1]

I have a cockpit full of Winwing products...and I just love it. This brand just keeps getting better and better.

[@g-locmedia]

Yes I think now they are leaders in this space. It’s amazing what they’ve done on only a few years.

[@jimkif4110]

I bought an Orion 2 stick and throttle set along with these pedals. I can vouch for build quality as well. All the equipment looks good and performs as advetised. Excellent value for the money.

[@g-locmedia]

Wow. Straight in to the deep end with WINWING. Yes the value is there with these pedals. Are you DCS?

[@jimkif4110]

@@g-locmedia Yeah , I`m a newbie in DCS...with around 70 hours flight time. I spent a month looking at the offerings from all companies and then decided that WINWING was the best option for me. Assembly documentation is the only thing lacking from WINWING as you stated. Thanks for the great product reviews. You were instrumental in my decision making process. I look forward to more from your channel.

[@g-locmedia]

@@jimkif4110 thanks for your kind comments on the video, glad it was of some help.

[@stephenjones8928]

Excellent production values: one of the best reviews I've seen of anything on KZbin. Perhaps THE best. Thanks.

[@g-locmedia]

Thank you mate. That means a lot. I do put a lot of effort and to hear this made my day.

[@tenToesUp747]

These better not sell out before I pay off my Qwest 3. Big ups to WinWing on awesome quality. I have the f-15 throttle and the f-16ex stick and love them!!!

[@g-locmedia]

At this price they are raising the bar. The next few years is going to be very interesting. Are you a DCS player?

[@tenToesUp747]

@@g-locmedia Every single day. I love it.

[@tenToesUp747]

@@g-locmedia Mostly 4ya servers

[@g-locmedia]

@@tenToesUp747 nice. I’m guessing your in to the F-16. I play a little bit of DCS but it’s the weapons systems I stuff or with learning. Much respect to anyone that got this sim down pat.

[@triknives]

Just ordered this after watching this Video, and the one that compared to Virpil. Looked at MFG as well. Just can't do the 60 shipping, kinda brutal. Winwing has free shipping, built well it seems and this video helped me commit! Good work!

[@g-locmedia]

Glad the video was helpful

[@crashmetwice]

Great review! The damper's longevity won't be affected by it's setting. It is simply a needle valve inside you lower or lift with the dial knob. You can get the damper refilled with heavier oil at many motorcycle service shops or do it yourself (messy). I agree with you on the anti-slip mat, it is pretty much useless in most cases unless you have no carpeting. It also goes dirty quick. Anyway, fantastic video and very professional on your part! Thanks for sharing! Cheers

[@g-locmedia]

Thanks for the insight on the damper and the kind comments on the review. Yea that mat isn’t really doing much.

[@KernitTheFont]

Flipping heck, they're massive! I didn't realise how big they were. I've got the T-Flight ruds and showing them side by side is really helpful. Not going to have much space under my desk when I buy these!

[@g-locmedia]

Glad you found that helpful

[@sandman11]

Thank you for the review. These will replace the T-Rudder pedals I’ve been using for a few years. They are great being that I spend most of my time in the helicopters but I wanted proper toe brakes for fixed wing and the addition of a damper. These will be perfect for what I need.

[@g-locmedia]

These are such a big upgrade from the T.FLIGHT. You’ll love them. What sim do you play?

[@sandman11]

@@g-locmedia DCS , Il-2

[@MeplusYellow]

I didn’t get the anti slip mat or the bars that make the X but rather a large flat plate with rubber feet on each corner that looked anti slip. I put it on a carpet and it was an instant fail. I was stressed at first and then realized I owned industrial grip Velcro. Adhered to both sides underneath and wow. Game changer. Set 20 on the curves in DCS and physically adjusted the right rudder which was a little tighter and these are a dream (also a welcome upgrade from some VKB T Rudders MKiV).

[@g-locmedia]

They must have updated the product. Thanks for the info.

[@pempem8527]

I really like WinWing, have full complement of F-18 anf F-16 HOTAS, MIP, ICP, etc, but I don't see this displacing my TM TPRs with damper mod. TM hit a home run with the TPR.

[@g-locmedia]

The TPR's are no doubt a cracking set of pedals. I don't reckon it would be worthwhile changing but if you new and budget is a little bit of concern then these WINWING rudders are the better value option.

[@joeydebra763]

Jep I built one yesterday using a youtube vid which help tremendously. The Chinese must have extremely small hands since mounting those small legs were indeed a nightmare. Even the alan key was hard to get under the pedals for tightening after I finally was able to fit those bolts in the nuts.

[@g-locmedia]

Yes they are a bit of a nightmare to fit

[@JLTSoft]

Thanks for the review. I may use these on my Harrier simpit I am building.

[@g-locmedia]

Nice. I’ve never flown the harrier but it a classic.

[@cammy9r]

Good, another harrier simpit. I have made one for VR, not what I would call high fidelity but it is getting there. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jqKnY4eoqamjrrs

[@K-R-O-L]

Just got mine this week, pretty nice gear. I hope they will sell cams and springs for different feels in the futur.

[@g-locmedia]

Did you get the damper mod?

[@K-R-O-L]

@@g-locmedia yep

[@wolfboylikesmetal]

The instructions are on the website my dude bought a few winwing things myself think they don't include them so they're not region specific

[@g-locmedia]

Yea I put a pinned comment about it. When I reviewed them at the time they were not there. I got a very early set though.

[@RedRuffinsore]

I realy appreciate your reviews. You had talked me from the Virpil rudders to the WinWing - a very close decision on my part - until I found out WinWing doesn't deliver to the US. So I just ordered the Virpil (with the damper).

[@g-locmedia]

I have the virpio with the damper now and it's great.

[@adynroselli8560]

I just bought them and they deliver to the US

[@RedRuffinsore]

@@adynroselli8560 Interesting. It asked me for my zip (postal) code and it said "We do not deliver this product to the US". Oh well.

[@rcoplien]

I'm still using my Saitek Combat rubber pedals look very similar to those and they work fine they don't sell them anymore though

[@ziljanvega3879]

A weaker damper is really good actually, too thick damper fluid can cause stiction each time you try to move it, that’s why I’ve always removed dampers from every device I use because it destroys fine control. Wonder if they sell that damper individually? I could really use a nice light one for my Virpil collective.

[@g-locmedia]

Thanks for the insight in the damper. Yea they do sell them individually.

[@DaveBoyle-ii5hw]

You've convinced me! With Damper it is

[@g-locmedia]

The damper makes such a difference. I have the virpil damper coming soon too so it will be interesting to compare them.

[@AG_Nex]

If you have the chance you should try the MFG. I still use the v1 version and fitted the damper at some point. One of my best investments in flightsim gear. They have even more options on spring tension, cam profiles, pedal shape, etc.

[@g-locmedia]

If I see an opportunity to get them on the channel for testing against the Virpil and Winwing I'll surely take it.

[@ralph_f16simulator]

They should provide aftermarket load cells to turn this into a legend....you can only hope they understand the significance in the sim world.

[@g-locmedia]

@@ralph_f16simulator there only one company I know do this and it's virtualfly

[@alpenfoxvideo7255]

I bought the VKB pedals 3 months ago, I hope that wasn't a bad choice. I will not have a simpit-seat also for the foreseeable future

[@g-locmedia]

I’ve never tried the VKB mate but some of these peripherals are sometimes so close that it doesn’t make much of a difference.

[@SIMRIG412]

Winwing has no warranty so your vkb are already better

[@timplayspokemon9797]

These look awesome

[@g-locmedia]

Yea they are a great set of rudder pedals

[@bigbangerz5856]

The toe brakes do look good, I’m already invested in the Virpil system but I can see the toe brake advantages. Have you had a chance to review the Virpil damper system yet?

[@g-locmedia]

I haven’t yet but I’m keen to hear from anyone that has tried it.

[@dtardis]

Great review!

[@g-locmedia]

Thank you. Hopefully it was helpful

[@lostboy8814]

Great review,thank you for sharing your experiences with them.I have just a couple of questions, are you in the UK as I am?....and do these come from a UK warehouse please?,very interested in your opinion and experiences of ordering these as a UK buyer,thanks.

[@g-locmedia]

Hello mate. I’m in Australia so I I’m Not sure how it’s set up in the UK. Sorry.

[@lostboy8814]

Ahh thx anyway mate👍

[@jhallock]

@@g-locmedia Would've guessed Scotland or nearby from the accent! Where are you originally from?

[@g-locmedia]

@@jhallock grew up near Glasgow then across to the Scottish Borders. Australia is home now though.

[@serge933]

A note about the dampener, in real aircraft, they are not as dampened as you are trying to make it here, even less so with small GA aircraft. At least in my experience where I've flown multiple GA single engine aircraft. In terms of airlines, coming from the full flight simulator industry, they also aren't that dampened either, so you should be more than ok with the included dampener. I just cant speak about fighter jets lol These look really promising, really good stuff coming out of winwing.

[@g-locmedia]

Thanks for the insight. Yes winwing are making great gear these days

[@davidgiles9751]

Can you post your sensitivity settings for MSFS2020 please? Just got mine, and holy smokes, the sensitivity for both the brakes and rudders is way too high. Also, I'm not getting full throw for the brakes and rudders in sim. For example, I physically press the rudder about half way and the pedal reaction in the sim ends up fully depressed. However, the build quality and flexibility of them is really nice. Thanks for the review! PS: Can you turn off (or turn down) the "SKYWALKER" green LED on the front panel?

[@g-locmedia]

Sure. I'm away at the moment but I'll look them out when I get back and post them on my community page.

[@FGCH03]

Good review

[@g-locmedia]

Thank you

[@dani4157]

Not sure if you mentioned it. But what would you say are the best rudder pedals that you have reviewed?

[@g-locmedia]

these and the Virpil ith the damper. Virpils are slightly smoother

[@dani4157]

​@@g-locmedia Thanks mate, I was leaning towards the virpil. Have you tried the Thrustmaster TPR? If so, would you still say the virpil is better?

[@obic123]

Nice review MFG have been rock solid for the last 6 years but Need to be bolted to something in my opinion.

[@g-locmedia]

Thanks. Do you have the damper on the MFG?

[@obic123]

@@g-locmedia yes I do I didn’t like it initially but the you find the right balance btw the main spring and damping and it’s amazing

[@g-locmedia]

@@obic123 thanks for the insight in the mfg’s

[@callsingCLUELESS]

There arw acctually online manuals so for the people can can download them online

[@g-locmedia]

Yes they are up there now. I have left a pinned comment with the update.

[@StuartBoyer]

So the 6mm bolts are something you bought separately? I got the same chair and stand and need to bolt them down. Also did you only use two bolts? EDIT: Never mind turn out you can mount it and leave on the winwing legs using four 5mm bolts, add a T nut on the bottom of the NLR stand to the bolt before the nut to spread out over the stand slots then the nuts and it will fit fine in the slots on the NLR Flight Stand.

[@g-locmedia]

Yea mate. I used 6mm hex bolts which I had to buy. Sorry I should have put that in the video. Also I just bolted down the front two and it was solid.

[@TPont7089]

Man, those mounting legs ... you are so right ! I just want to meet that part designer for ..., for ... #$@/¡!# ... Anyway, good video as usual mate!

[@g-locmedia]

I’m glad I’m. It alone with that one. Yea they are a nightmare. They’re good once you get the installed though.

[@ChristinanathanWesterfie-pr4jj]

All these controller and the best they off app based sims are hand-held Bluetooth PS/XBX things...they should make a powered USB port that can Bluetooth connect any USB H.O.T.A.S. to fly app simulators. Cockpit may consist of a music-stand with a fresnel lens but the ability to Roc n' Roll with proper H.O.T.A.S. should be the next new trend.

[@g-locmedia]

I think latency might be an issues with that.

[@ChristinanathanWesterfie-pr4jj]

@@g-locmedia shouldn't be any diff than a xbox type controller...same about of analog controls, just has few extra buttons. H.O.T.A.S. + USB connection + Blutooth...only thing different in the chain is stick, throttle and rudder vs hand-held thing

[@ChristinanathanWesterfie-pr4jj]

The usb connection is to power H.O.T.A.S. not connect into device

[@seanpatrickkinney9593]

Have you tried the Virpil dampner on the pedals?

[@g-locmedia]

No I haven't but I have a set of Vipil pedals coming with the damper included. it will be a nice comparison

[@seanpatrickkinney9593]

@@g-locmedia I am torn between the two and am very curious! Looking forward to your comparison video

[@spencercottonsr.2835]

If you took price out of the equation, would you recommend the WINWING over the THRUSTMASTER?

[@g-locmedia]

Perfectly timed question as I was using TPR’s last night for a bit. They are both great rudders. If we’re talking winwing with the damper I’d go with the winwing hands down. If we’re talking both rudders without there’s really not much in it al all but I reckon I’d go TM.

[@spencercottonsr.2835]

Not sorry to hear the cheaper solution is better. Brand new setup, so I am leaning towards the Turtle Beach Velocity1 to get me going on the yoke/trim/throttle. I am choosing that over the Honeycomb b/c the throttle matches the Cesna. (wanted a trim wheel) Will probably add a radio and that will do it for me. Just trying to practice some procedures but not create bad muscle memory with bad pedals. Thank you for all you do! @@g-locmedia

[@ahmadismail2754]

Question to all my aviation enthusiast who use these pedals. Do you need to download any software? I installed mine (Using FS2020) and it’s not responding. Any suggestions? Thanks.

[@g-locmedia]

@@ahmadismail2754 try downloading simapp pro and then updating the firmware on the pedals

[@Leonardo_davinci_]

Where I can buy it in Europe? Could you mention the link or something? thank you so much!

[@g-locmedia]

You have to buy direct from winwing winwingsim.com/view/goods-details.html?id=546

[@adennis200]

Would you say they are actually better than the TPRs?

[@g-locmedia]

Got a video coming soon that will answer just that

[@dishdoggiegaming7254]

It is a Good video as always thank you. As a man (lol) I never read instructions But I do look at Pictures. You know they made mechanical drawing's by engineers for the manufacturing build and they always do the "how they go together drawing's" all the time. After all this work to make a quality product the "Printing of Paper Pictures" is where they draw the line. lol kind of funny.😄

[@g-locmedia]

Lol. Yea. I couldn’t even find anything on line either. Crazy.

[@ismaeljordaVR]

What? From the very first day you published the review I told you that a few days before the launch of any Winwing product its instruction and assembly PDF manual is posted on the Winwing's official web. This is the fourth time I have posted the comment, all respectfully and politely and you continually delete them, I don't know if for personal pride or for some other reason. If one of the ‘not so good’ points of your review is that they have not instructions either in the box or online, why do you keep deleting my message where I say that you can find PDF instructions for ALL WinWing products on their website a few days before its lauch?

[@g-locmedia]

@@ismaeljordaVR Again I say I’m not deleting your comments. I think it’s important for people to not see only other points of view but I’d be hurting the spread of my own video. Something must be going wrong somewhere. I don’t understand why you think I would have to delete a comment saying that the instructions have been now been posted online. Seems like good info to me.

[@dishdoggiegaming7254]

@@ismaeljordaVRRespectfully It is not your review page. It's not about Your input about his review. It is free to all that enter. Free to watch and then make up your own mind on his review. I subscribe because he is good at it and Honest. Nobody owes you a voice to become a part of it or express your opinion of His job on His page. Your not a partner in it. Nobody even asked you a question. Respectfully from me to you stop thinking your words and brain are so righteous to everyone your voice must be allowed to shout your opinions for all of us to be graced with on HIS page. I didn't come here for YOU. Start your own Review page Give your opinions there. Best of luck Respectfully yours His fan not yours.

[@ismaeljordaVR]

@@dishdoggiegaming7254 Hello! The only thing I did was, in addition to congratulating him for a well-done and well-produced review, tell him where he could find the WinWing manuals. I made it in a separate comment, but he deleted it. Up to 4 times. That's why I answered in your response. Sorry if it bothered you but I don't understand his attitude. In fact, he has deleted another message prior to this one and he will surely do so with this one as well.

[@Yoshirimitsu]

any idea how do these compare to Honeycomb Charlie?

[@g-locmedia]

I'd love to be able to comment on that but unfortunately I can't. From what I've heard they don't quite match up but they are close, although that is coming from someone else I know that's bought them.

[@miket3445]

Is the WinWing hardware compatible with P3Dv6?

[@g-locmedia]

It should be as It just shows up as a controller but I don't use P3D so I haven't tested that sorry,

[@generic_luke]

Do they slide much on hard surfaces without the mat? Id be on wood flooring, and socks gripping to the mat sounds like a pain.

[@g-locmedia]

So if you install those legs it should be fine. The legs actually have some sticky rubber on the bottom too.

[@generic_luke]

@@g-locmedia Good to hear, thanks!

[@sandman11]

The mat isn’t working too well keeping them in place on a hardwood floor. Will need to go with plywood between the pedals and the floor molding. Love the pedals. Using the damper with helicopters is terrific. The simplicity of removing the spring works very well.

[@g-locmedia]

@@sandman11 thanks for sharing your feedback. Great for others to see.

[@zaelu]

They look solid but they need a version with off floor feet though. I don't like these that you drag feet on your floor.

[@g-locmedia]

You can have your feet up off the floor. The reason you wouldn't have your feet up off the floor during certain parts of the flight like taking off and landing is so that you don't accidentally touch the brakes. More of a safety thing in real life.

[@zaelu]

@@g-locmedia Sure but not all planes have these concerns. Like german ww2 fighters or planes that don't have brakes on the pedals. For a home simulator I find it to be really ergonomically as I don't stay with boots in the house and dragging the heels on the floor with socks is tedious and really not realistic "feel".

[@cristobalfortuno1774]

Hi! Is it compatible for Mac?

[@g-locmedia]

Now that i'm not sure about. My gut tells me no.

[@opstube]

trash company, hands off winwing - their customer service is absolute HORROR. winwing is only good as long as you don't run into problems

[@OrionRox]

Thanks for the excellent review. I'm in the market for a new rudder pedal, I mainly fly helicopters so the wide base and easily removed spring from Winwing seems really good. One question though, do you think that damper kit is necessary for helicopter-style rudder (without spring and auto center)? I've never used any rudder pedals with damper before so I have no idea how the damper kit will affect the feeling on the rudder. Thanks.

[@g-locmedia]

Personally I would buy it without it. Not necessary though but honestly it makes such a difference for both planes and choppers. Much more substance behind the pedals. Please anyone else share their thoughts here.

[@OrionRox]

@@g-locmedia Thank you for the reply. I just pre-ordered the version with the damper kit included. Please correct me if I'm wrong, the damper kit will increase the fraction/resistance of the rudder pedal, is that right? This means should I use the pedal without the spring and the damper, the pedal will be lighter and easier to move, with the damper it will be harder and more fraction depending on the damper's setting.

[@tomas5577]

Hello, I have a set of TPR’s that I just love. I also added a damper and removed the springs because I also fly mainly helicopters. You can adjust the damper to very slight resistance that you would hardly notice, and you may even want more. The damper smooths out the operation and also allows you to rest your feet without the aircraft making any sudden lurches. It also works just fine for fixed wing. I think the damper is the way to go😊😊

[@g-locmedia]

@@tomas5577 thanks for the insight in the TPR’s.

[@OrionRox]

@@tomas5577 Thanks for the insight!

[@pilotstiles]

I’m a private pilot and how do they compare to say a C152 or C172?

[@saytoga]

How much it approximately costs to have a proper home flight sim for A320?

[@g-locmedia]

It really depends how far you want to take it. You could do it for a few thousand dollars or a few hundred thousand. There's so many options.

[@saytoga]

@@g-locmedia How about your setup? what was the cost?

[@g-locmedia]

@@saytoga around the 12k USD mark

[@saytoga]

@@g-locmedia Thanks. Hope you will have a video featuring every component and where to get it from. Thank you

[@g-locmedia]

@@saytoga Thig rig hasnt changes much yet from the last rig tour but I reckon there will be another tour video middle of this year.

[@nemisis_wolf]

Great Review but I think to call the Thrustmaster Pedals the gold standard is a bit much. Thrustmaster have ingrained this idea that they are the best, Cause they "used" to be and only with one product the Warthog Stick but that was over 20 years ago but Honestly they are falling behind in quality and are way over priced! Compared to Virpil, VKB, MFG and WinWing are just killing it right now. Take these pedals for example I bet they feel better, are just as acurate and they have more adjustability in toe angles damping, spring return and fixed. Thrustmasters have no real adjustment to them no damper (you cen get a mod but it's a mod). and the price is out the park, way to high. Would love it if Thrustmmaster brought their heads out of the clouds and seen just how companies like WinWing, Virpil, MFG and VKB are ahead in price quality and end user adjustment, cause they are pricing themselves out the market with poorly designed kit.

[@g-locmedia]

Thank mate for your kind comments on the review. I actually tried the TPR's again just last night and I do stand by what I said about them being the gold standard however based on price I can no longer recommend them in terms of value. For me these Winwing rudders are so good for the price.

[@markcomputertech7997]

mine came with no instructions! Rear Dampner mount loose no way to tighten it! Does not center properly on msfs!

[@g-locmedia]

Are the springs installed as these should centre it?

[@markcomputertech7997]

@@g-locmedia yes of course.

[@SIMRIG412]

@@markcomputertech7997let me guess no warranty so help from winwing

[@dotnetdevni]

so these against thrustmaster tor?

[@g-locmedia]

Unfortunately I don't have enough experience with the TM's for an in depth answer to that one. Maybe one day though.

[@oraziobarna6527]

They seem to be a replica of the crosswind rudder pedals

[@g-locmedia]

I've actually never had the pleasure of using the crosswinds.

[@oraziobarna6527]

@@g-locmedia i have had them for two years. They work as ad..precise and customizable. I wonder what Milan thinks of this...they are basically the same not sure if xwind nfg has a patent on them but it is very likely

[@oraziobarna6527]

I am sure Milan will send you a unit to review..specially now tha you reviewed the winwing..i would be very intrested in knowing how you compare them. I am sire mfg has a patent on them i wonder what he thinks of this...they are badically the same​@@g-locmedia

[@javiergonzalez-yf8sd]

you keep deleting comments LOL The manual came out a few days earlier on the web.

[@g-locmedia]

I haven’t deleted any comments. So the manual is now out?

[@Munin_ES]

U delete all my comments😂😂😂😂😂

[@g-locmedia]

I dont think I do. On what videos? I'll check it out @@Munin_ES

[@Munin_ES]

In this video all the time

[@javiergonzalez-yf8sd]

@@g-locmedia Excellent video! Very good analysis of the product 💪. Regards

[@oisiaa]

When I do the flight control check on the plane I fly, it often takes both pilots pressing with 200+ pounds each to move the rudder if there is wind...good luck simulating that. Even 200+ pounds often isn't enough to move the rudder.

[@g-locmedia]

Yea these rudders are non force feedback so you can only have the spring and the damper hit a basic baseline that won’t change. For something like your talking you would need to go with the likes of Brunner.

[@lgvdbroek]

I just think it's a shame that the mechanism is not shielded. This really is a dust magnet.

[@g-locmedia]

Yes. I can confirm it has picked up a bit o dust over the past few months.

[@r4dio4ctiv3man9]

If these are the best pedals you have ever tried, you obviously have never tried the Slaw Device Viper RX... No aluminiuim, full stainless steel construction (even ther screws are stainless steel) - same size as the winwing pedals, but double the weight. Not only yaw, but also the brake axis beeing cam loaded and they are so sturdy, you won´t brake them even if you want to. At least not without tools. I doubt that it is even possible to build better pedals at all. Had the TM TPRs before wich are already superb pedals, but the Slaws are a class of their own. Not even comparable. Even while they come at double the pricetag of the WinWing pedals, they are worth every single cent...these are the real gold standard among rudder pedals. You should make a review of those.

[@g-locmedia]

I'll check these out. Thanks for the suggestion. How long you had them?

[@r4dio4ctiv3man9]

@@g-locmedia I do own version 3 since february (i think the V3 were released in Dec. ´23) and ran the TPR from 2019 until i got the Slaws. A friend bought one of the last V2 leaving the factory and i´ve been regulary using them in his Airbus Simpit. Although i find civilian flight sims too boring, this convinced me to get them as soon as they are available again. It´s not a huge company, but only one single guy in Poland producing them on his own. So he does only produce a very limited amount of units wich makes these pedals very exclusive. I was lucky, they were in stock when i purchased them and they were at my door 4 days later. My buddy had to wait 3 months as his unit still had to be produced when he ordered them. I think the V2s production stopped in january 2022. So i had to wait almost 2 years until they were available again as V3 edition. And i almost missed that there has been a new version released, so i´m very happy that i was able to get them. I would´ve been freaking out if i would´ve had to wait another two years... Again, you should realy review them as long as they are available. Also because there is no proper review of those on YT, you´d be the first to properly review them.. Only a few unboxing and presentation videos. Most people don´t even know these pedals and a proper review on YT would propably help some people to learn about them. I´m pretty sure at least a few people will be very thankful that you draw them to those pedals instead of letting them buy something else just because they don´t know that there is something way better out there...

[@ARFF1Tampa]

Tried to purchase from their site. They never send verification email, plus, looked like shipping was over $120. Yeah, no.

[@g-locmedia]

If they don't hold stick in your country the shipping can be up there. Although I thought they held stock in the US.