FFXIV - Beast of Man Duel Guide (Lyon Duel)

[@black91062]

Twin Agonies pierces tank invulns.

[@AVery0ldFriend]

Listen to this guy, I got picked and Hallowed "Twin Agonies" and it killed me, my re-raise didnt proc also :P. Dont be like me. use manawall

[@Ranos17]

Can't stress this enough, it hit me through Superbolide

[@Maax141]

@@AVery0ldFriend exactly the same happened to me, man i'm so mad

[@Warth_Bunan]

Gonna add that Lost Excellence also doesn’t stop the attack from killing your. You need Manawall.

[@bigtimetimmyjim6486]

The video really should not suggest a gap closer at Heart of Nature #4, as it WILL get you killed unless you wait for the exaflares to snapshot in the middle first. I trusted this guide and got killed by this advice.

[@nophoria]

Do you know if you can invuln his taste of blood (in case you freeze up on which way to take during that one)? The way he does it I the video makes it look like a small issue as he just walks through the middle easily but you never know.

[@evelchel]

Twin Agonies ignores tank invulns, Rin saw it happen on his stream

[@Konpekikaminari]

Gunbreakers: *sweat nervously*

[@philipmiczek]

yeah did the duel 5 min ago and can say pld invulm gets ignored

[@HalikBun]

Literally just attempted this and found that out. :( An annotation about it would have been nice, of well, should have read the comments.

[@stein8638]

Why i haven't read that comment before i tried doing it with holmgang..................

[@MrJoyShow]

I keep choking on the stupidest parts on this fight. I could flare star, yeah but I've seen it all and I know I can do it. I can't imagine how frustrating this must have been before Notoriety. Thanks for posting this though, it's been helpful. UPDATE: Finally got it!

[@nicholasshafer2611]

So, yesterday, I was THAT guy. Ya know, the one who gets into the duel, gets ready, and then completely whiffs it right at the beginning. I don’t know why I froze, or hesitated, but the first taste for blood ended me, and I felt so embarrassed. I studied the fight, knew what was gonna happen, and then just failed miserably.

[@cruzh7171]

I feel that so much. That was me the other day too. I guess seeing everyone else watch me literally gave me stage fright and I whiffed it. Felt so embarrased I instance hop and hope they didn't remember me lol

[@Mephistel]

Happened to me with Gabriel. Don't feel too bad.

[@jacks1368]

Happened to me with Sartauvoir. I somehow forgot about the backdraft that comes after the first flashover. I made up for the mistake a couple days later, beat him on Dancer without a single reraise.

[@ProfessM]

Sounds like me back when I was trying to do Eden Savage 4. Still have yet to get gud at it cause I just keep whiffing the start.

[@AninOnin]

@@cruzh7171 Speaking as a player who lost out on the duel to people like you, DON'T sweat it. It's almost a relief that someone else got the fight, and I'm rooting for you from the sides!

[@alchalant4663]

I beat Lyon tonight. Thanks for the guide and the clear video. only thing I have to add about this guide is a consistent way to dodge hearts nature 4 without gap closer - bring swift and swift your way between two of the exo quakes on one side of the arena after dodging the expanding aoes. Turn around to see which side Lyon jumps too and continue to swift around the edge of arena once the exo quakes start going off to get behind him. Swift lasts long enough to pull this off if you press it as the expanding aoes appear at the end of the hearts nature cast bar

[@RockR277]

I finally managed to beat him. On the Heart of Nature where he immediately jumps for taste of blood, I don't know if its my connection or what, but every time the quake would get me no matter how fast I used my gap closer. I wouldn't even see the aoe physically hit my character. Just got super lucky with re-raises. I thiiiink for that one its safer to go around behind one of the exa-quakes instead of going through.

[@bigtimetimmyjim6486]

The video really should not suggest a gap closer at Heart of Nature #4, as it WILL get you killed unless you wait for the exaflares to snapshot in the middle first. I trusted this guide and got killed by this advice.

[@nophoria]

Superbolide does *not* work on Twin Agonies. I’ve watched this and another video over and over to where I know the fight quite well and I popped Superbolide well before his cast went off, then he straight up kills me with Twin Agonies. Time to wait to fight him again..

[@99healpotions]

Every time I see game content like this or tutorials on content like this I think to myself. "I'm bad at 14... this is WAY to much for me."

[@welcomemsomi8731]

Ah yes, the off-brand Jecht guide

[@warriorofdawn876]

Feels like the recent changes made to Red Mage in Endwalker might actually make this somewhat easier for people who main that class. Now, we've got two charges for both Corps-a-Corps and Displacement.

[@Zakon673]

This seems kind of silly. I'm all for challenging solo content like the mage tower challenges from WoW in Legion, but the number of mechanics in this video that were "do this or else you die" seems like bad design when attached to a fight you have a random chance of being able to participate in. Not to mention you apparently need some extra abilities which you might not even have when you get randomly picked to do the fight. Definitely not a fan of how trial-and-error figuring out this fight would be without a guide when it's on something that you have no control over when you're allowed to fight it.

[@RockR277]

Well, you have to accept the challenge to be randomly selected. You can just say no.

[@Zakon673]

@@rijsmiddel8765 Most likely it was people working together to figure out how the fight works. Which is valid, but I still don't like that design for something that's supposed to be a solo challenge. The fact you can't get hit by any avoidable AoEs to get selected is fine, but some of the mechanics in this video weren't avoidable, they were "know he's doing this ahead of time or you die" which is why you need things like the extra sprint and the invulnerability and the dispel.

[@Zakon673]

​@@RockR277 The fact I can refuse doesn't mean I can't say I think the design was bad. I thought the idea of a solo challenge was good, like if you know what the mage tower was in WoW you would know those were even harder than this fight, and I liked those. But a solo challenge you have little control over being able to face which also has trial-and-error instant death mechanics is not a good design, in my opinion. The mage tower had infinite re-tries.

[@RockR277]

@@Zakon673 I never said you couldn't say any of that. I was just pointing out that someone who isn't prepared doesn't have to put themselves in the pool. As someone going for the title, I agree that just getting in is a huge pain.

[@Zakon673]

@@RockR277 Yeah but there is my problem. Without watching a guide like this, someone who is unprepared would have no way of knowing they're unprepared until they get wrecked by an instant death mechanic. And then they have to actually think about what they could do to prevent it and put it into practice, but who knows when they'll be able to do so again? Meanwhile everyone gets screwed out of the buff.

[@flower-lovingprincenix6900]

This guide is so long for this fight but it doesn't matter cuz I'll never not die in Red Choctober lol

[@Ironwyrm]

Ive seen casters and tanks that have ranged rotations like Paladin with Martialist clear this but I dunno what would be the best method for a MNK, DRG or SAM to clear this. Would Platebearer be better than Irregular here? Do melees do enough damage in the windows they have for uptime to not matter? I see Martialist Warriors doing more damage in a smaller amount of time than DPS, absolutely chunking bosses and mobs. Maybe Warrior is the way to go if you wanna clear this melee?

[@black91062]

Warrior is an excellent choice, as most DPS lost actions (banners and slash) line up perfectly with inner release and martialist/bloodsucker give it huge damage equal or greater than most DPS

[@philipmiczek]

nope invulms dont work (anymore? maybe a change from the hotfix?) got killed by him as a pld with my invulm

[@jaredshertublackman3934]

This video has misinformation in it and you should update it for the latest version of Save the Queen zones.

[@RockR277]

Probably shouldn't be recommending tank invulns when you haven't seen for yourself they work or not. I haven't tried them, even though I've been playing WAR, but it sounds from others' comments like they don't work here. I assume that means they also don't work for the other fights' "manawall this or die" mechanics. Bring manawall tanks!

[@evelchel]

Tanks can actually use invuln for Sartauvoir and Gabriels manawall mechanics but its just safer to use manawall and have invuln as a panic button if you screw up something else later on

[@davidwang5128]

ucob, duel edition

[@Darkness2179]

Gonna leave some piece of experience here: I've read somewhere that you can use heavy tank cooldowns for Twin Agonies. Well, not really unless you're using another sort of defensive essence or something. Went in as a PLD with regular martialist essence and Lost Protect, popped Rampart/Sentinel/Reprisal/Sheltron and still took ~160k one-shotting me instantly.

[@ildranorffxiv]

PSA: holmgang does not work against twin agonies

[@Galliao]

4:32 I like how you emphasized "After!" the point blank aoe goes off. We're dumb, but give us some credit!

[@Sammysnows]

so the thing about tank invlun YOu can't holmgang it because i tried it and it just straight up killed me LD ??? don't even try it. the safest way is just use manawall

[@Shadowfire5444]

This would be a great fight if the exaquakes had less awful hitboxes. As it stands the exaquake + ToB thing is not something I want to do again. Either ToB or an Exaquake would catch me while I was behind him every time on my clear. Also as a bunch of people have said, tank invulnerabilities do not prevent Twin Agony from killing you. They do prevent Taste of Blood from killing you though, so... maybe just use it to not do one of the ToB exaquake combos. P.S. Winds' Peak knockback goes through transcendence. Which is a good feature. If I didn't want to get thrown into a deathwall I wouldn't have been killed by doing Ravenous Gale placement RNG.

[@Kizoja]

Damn, a comment that holmgang doesn't work on the tankbuster woulda been nice to know. I just did the duel and my plan was to just holmgang the tank buster and it killed me through holmgang with 3 full seconds left on my holmgang. I clipped it and watched it back. I die with 3 full seconds left on it. I can't tell if this was a bug or just overlooked in the guide. Edit: Nevermind, I now see it in the comments already. Edit an annotation in homie. RIP my notoriety.

[@Jepegish]

Yeah it's a mistake on Happy's part. Lost Excellence counts as a tank invuln... I learned that the hardway.

[@JDurnall]

How did he avoid the knockback as WHM?

[@bipedalanimeskull]

they have Surecast too all disciples or war (tank & melee & phy. ranged) has Arm's Length all disciples of magic (magic ranged & healers) has Surecast

[@Bluntedge93]

Anyone know if lost excellence can be used instead of manawall for twin agonies?

[@J4kuZZi]

Same question.

[@Jepegish]

@@J4kuZZi no. goes straight through, gl soldier.

[@J4kuZZi]

@@Jepegish dang, thanks!

[@Battel-Matter]

i'd be lyon if i didnt wanna see skyrending strike

[@GalaxiaKnightX]

Man I love this fight. It's amazing on how brutal his attacks are..from the Heart of Nature attacks, the Dynamic Flames and how they not only get planted but come at you in a directional dash like attack, how you can be pushed back when he's spinning his weapon. Plus he's a beastmaster who has tamed a giant monster named Dawon. Hope we see more.

[@Jkapricorn]

i cant wait to be a BST in ffxiv

[@Jkapricorn]

@C V they already said that PuppetMaster and Beastmaster will be limited jobs when/if they come to FFXIV, this was confirmed at las Vegas fanfest

[@Jkapricorn]

@C V ummm yeah, keep telling yourself that

[@77wolfblade]

@C V how do you know?

[@Jkapricorn]

@C V yeah keep telling yourself that

[@rare9242]

@C V you're actually insane, they've confirmed there will be more limited jobs and these are the most obvious options. this is an objective truth its not really to be argued

[@tylerslittlecafe1288]

WAIT BOZJA CAME OUIT NINE MONTHS AGO!!!!

[@alenezi989a3]

Ok it all looks fine up until that confusion part how the hell are you supposed to move behind him and time that stupid pointer?

[@Maax141]

I suggest using a job that has a gab closer

[@cursedcatgames]

I was enjoying Bozjan. Until I had to castrum 50+ times for the note because no way am I memorizing this dual...

[@MightyOwl_01]

if for some ungodly reason you still don't have the field note after a year since this comment has been posted, there is a set of lost actions you can use to deal a ton of damage to the boss, if you can survive about 10 seconds then you can complete the duel

[@MightyOwl_01]

@@cursedcatgames my condolences

[@kk.3850]

OH SHIT ITS RANYEET

[@SuikodenGR]

Well dam, ty for the guide! Might give it a shot one day :)

[@jacks1368]

Is it possible to cheese the Misdirection using Shukuchi to teleport behind the boss?

[@Fain255]

Probably

[@KumiChan2004]

Should be if you re close enough to move there.

[@ulibarriL]

Indeed it is. I used to use NIN in Rabanastre specifically for that mechanic. A skilled NIN would make this guy look like a joke. Just have to bring along the right lost skills.

[@anthonyburnette8980]

If BST comes to FFXIV it's going to be a tank or a Limited job

[@mayleelove4332]

It wont be a tank

[@anthonyburnette8980]

@@mayleelove4332 you really think it's going to be a dps?

[@mayleelove4332]

@@anthonyburnette8980 I think it's going to be limited, with how much bozja is throwing beast masters at us. Idk how'd it work as any other class with it feeling like smn tho, itd be cool to have a bell as a weapon tho. There's no telling what's in store.

[@TheRealLink]

Only watched others do this and die horribly. Nice to see a complete guide, thanks!

[@40sUphillBothWays]

Do you have to be a WoW refugee to post? Because I was gonna write something positive...

[@BloodRawEngine89]

Pretty sure it's pronounced "Lee-ohn"