FFXIV Expansions need to Change

[@KaiyokoStar]

There's a few commenters completely taking this the wrong way and acting like I'm saying toss everything out or SE does nothing right which is far off basis. There a few things always guaranteed every expansion release, meaning X.0 until X.1 starts: - Expansion MSQ - Leveling dungeons - 2 expert dungeons - 2 EX trials - Treasure maps - 4 normal and 4 savage mode raids These all release within the 1st 4 weeks of the expansion and then we have this huge content gap until X.1 with no long form content that could fill that hole when you're done with everything else. When X.1 arrives we also still don't have long form content and the exact same thing will happen. This kills expansion hype for people who wants to play FFXIV activly. The release of Field Operations is almost 1 year from the release of the expansion where it was announced almost 1 year ago previously so you're looking at a 2 year gap of waiting It is not unreasonable to ask for the long form content to start in a X.06/X.08 patch that to keep players busy that want that style of contnet. I think Happy covers this topic well here too: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oIbGZmt5iZp5j8U There is also other issues with the game right now that others have brought up but I think one of the worst thing you can have happen is let your players become bored in this gap every expansion.

[@foxyfoxington2651]

The core fan base of this game is, by and large, completely insane and rabid. I’ve been playing these sorts of games for two decades and I’ve never seen another that is more cultish in their devotion. Any criticism of the game at all, no matter how valid, is always seen as a personal attack. The game has become stagnant because anyone who points it out is told to leave and go play something else, and they do.

[@dviceix]

the biggest thing that needs to change for next expansion is, scratch everything and everyone that happened in Dawntrail, redcon it, get Ishikawa back as the main writer and ffs never ever mention Wuk Lamat or Tural ever again....

[@Tyrbris]

EW was my first expansion I was there for at launch, and I quickly realized how little there is to do after the MSQ. I knew it'd be the same for DT and was prepared for it, but the increasing time between major patches is making it so much worse.

[@Sewersyrup]

"A criticism is worth twice a compliment, those who complain still care, the silent leave first" - Yoshi P GDC panel regarding the making of ARR. All criticism should be welcomed, this game was literally built upon it. XIV have no place for a rabid cultist mindset.

[@giogonzalez821]

Most of the good stuff we have in this game, came from people critical of not having it in the first place. The mindset that you need to love this game at all times with no exception KILLS any hope of innovation and evolution.

[@ikeaira8701]

The Overworld needs a revamp & we need more engaging community content akin to Eureka/Bozja. All around this game needs to stop trying to not be an MMO and needs to embrace that it is an MMO.

[@paulsmith950]

So true. All the effort made creating visually engaging zones and the map is always just a wide open plain in reality with non-threatening trash mobs and the same old fates. They have a beautiful world but they don't want us to actually be in it unless you're zerging for fates/hunts. When the whole game is built around tomes and raid gear, everything else becomes superfluous.

[@xL0stKIlah]

@@paulsmith950 so you never played the crafting/gathering lol

[@Valk1080]

Agreed, I've made alts just to run around an enjoy the storm blood and under areas. New jobs for example, I kinda hate that they start out so high level. I get it but still. Their are so many older content systems they could revamp and breathe new live into the game.

[@Matthewsumarki]

I love said this for so long literally if they just made the overworld more engaging like bozja or eureka. Make it dangerous.... Make it exciting and rewarding when u get things from fates.. Add in some critical engagements.... They've already got the zones made, and they're so empty because u can fly over everything and the monsters aren't dangerous at almost any level that you are there. Because everything is so convenient, there isnt any challenge in the normal game. And I still love this game... But when you go sit in a zone that's completely dead and noone talks..... It's a bit disheartening.

[@paulsmith950]

@@xL0stKIlah all 100, but you are right I have never engaged with the systems whatsoever. Great response pal.

[@Makalon102]

tldr lack of content, the main problem is SE doesn't want to invest in ffxiv, feels like the team size has not changed ever since game was released

[@MB-em9ek]

They're gonna kill their golden goose at this rate.

[@MizYin]

@@Makalon102 I mean, bigger isn't always better

[@Sewersyrup]

@@MB-em9ek SE always ruins everything, its just a matter of time.

[@Sairagna]

Yep, they cry that they need more time between patches but they don't bother to employ more staff. I remember being semi interested in Island Sanctuary when it was announced but at the time I had no idea it would come at the cost of an exploration zone like Eureka/Bozja. They also rolled the EX trial story into the MSQ. The ffxiv community is absolutely in thrall to YoshiP, now that the story has gotten some backlash people are finally waking up to smell the coffee. Here's hoping they right the ship in time for 8.x

[@MegaLpso]

That's super sad to hear. The game is going to end up dying out

[@socram3254]

Even as someone who does everything in the game (level up all jobs, doh/dol, mount collection, FATE grinding, savages and ultimates, and even a bit of RP) I still have long periods of time when I have nothing to do in the game, I cannot imagine how boring it must be for more casual players, like imagine waiting for 7.1 as a non raider and only having 3 hours worth of content

[@anteprs7908]

the onyl content we get in dt is the msq and it dungs and beastmaster and variant dung(as group not solo) that all dt give us . nromal raids and ally raids are not truly casual this expantion more midcore then casual and exploration zone and deep dung are always midcore plus the crafting event is content for all playeers (not exclusively casual) but it not story related or battle content . overall dt is the biggest f you to casuals after ew (that was the biggest gift for casuals) we get no island santuary and not tome grind relics most likely and the worst is they are ruining the already exisiting causal content the last 2 msq dung and the expert dung are hugely dislike amount causal for the first time clear and if ever dugn has bad design like the last msq ones i think ppl wont bother doing the msq (the main casual content )but hey at least the midcore and hardcore players liek the dung so that great (always good when the non target audience ruins the content for the target on).

[@bloodyninja2411]

@@anteprs7908reading this hurt my brain. Spellcheck does exist.

[@taylortouma4122]

boring? i could see it being boring for people that play often but for a casual player, it’s fun! i have too much to do to the point that i have a note on my phone with reminders lol. haven’t been able to play for the last week/2 because of life so im just sitting here watching videos because this game is my addiction.

[@Bismarck9871]

One thing i wish they did which wow does (i only olayed wow for a few days cuz kf a friend) is stuff like a big duuungeon area you can explore at your leisure witb some friends and you could get legit good up to date gear if you do things well and venture deep enough (kind of like potd but with actual meaningful reward that makes you want to in it every expansion) and also by gear i mean gear itself not some collect this amount of tokens to go trade it at the merchant. Also the pls stop limiting the amount of gear you can get for the raids weekly like ok i go screw myself over if i like to play multiple classes because to have every thing on the most optional lvl i will take ages because of that dumb limit

[@Malentor]

The raids are boring too, though. Ultra-repetitive content, especially if you or your static are terrible.

[@VGPorage]

The trend I noticed for alot of people not everyone is that raiding is very exciting for excatly one expansion. Then it has suddenly lost all it's magic when doing it again from the start in the next expansion.

[@immersion9880]

Bozja and Eureka made the game actually feel like an MMO. There’s still a huge community around Eureka.

[@Raansu]

Bozja was just fate spamming. It was mind numbingly boring.

[@leighg9o]

​@@Raansubad take.

[@flufkyn]

I just hope the new one wont be too simple

[@Raansu]

@@leighg9o Factual take.

[@sijrichters]

This kind of content was sorely missed post EW.

[@flower-lovingprincenix6900]

I looooove this game but am BEGGING for Square to innovate in this game.

[@shirrenthewanderer414]

This game isn't going to be "innovated". Final Fantasy online players want to play "cookie cutter". It's been that way since lolbri when ToAU came out in 2006. People get frustrated when they don't get what they want "efficiently" enough. People get antsy when you have to explain and strategy with a non-meta party and get mad if they have to bring items.

[@HollowLynx]

The game needs to change things up, absolutely. For the longevity of the game, they can't keep recycling the same formulas and not continue to innovate. XIV has been at its best when they try to do new things, especially content that is more mmo in structure. Just like you said, Bozja, etc resulted in huge growth, it was fun. They need to push the envelope and do new things, now more than ever. Reward structure continues to be a huge problem. I know they have acknowledged the failures on rewards, but we still haven't really seen any changes.

[@DantoriusD]

But were already getting New Exploration Content like Bozja and Eureka. Its already announced. Both also didnt came in the X.0 Version they were released later in the Expansion

[@Draylin41]

@@DantoriusD Think the point the video is trying to make is they shouldn't take so long to put that content in after a new expansion drops. A lot of casual players will drop out of the game before the year or so it takes to get to that kind of patch content.

[@DantoriusD]

@@Draylin41 its not like these Kinds of Content will developed within 1 Week xD it takes Time to implement new Stuff from Scratch. The Game still makes profit even if some People leaving and might come back later.

[@wtfdidijustwatch1017]

They are educated devs. You are not-just a player who plays the game, you know nothing of what’s good for “longevity” Just play something else instead of ruining it for other people

[@HollowLynx]

@@DantoriusD Yeah, I think everyone is excited for the new exploration content. They took a gamble when they made that content before. I remember lots of people were even highly critical of Eureka and Bozja when they launched. Thing is, taking the risks and trying something new was good. The game needed it, the community warmed up to it. I would like to see this dev team do more of that. I trust them.

[@oriji8139]

I think all zones should be exploration style zones. The zones seem super pointless outside of story and their usual fate system has been trash content for a long time

[@HaddaClu]

In a way; this is why I love how ARR treats the overworld. You can be completely under leveled, and still go everywhere. HW and onwards putting up barriers to keep us from exploring is just boring.

[@glimoreganajai2206]

exploration style zones are bad because lets say u are waiting 5 hours for your party to fill and u cannot do eureka during that wait, in fact they should change exploration zones into regular ones.

[@silverancient7840]

​@@glimoreganajai2206dogshit take

[@Lemongh3]

​@@glimoreganajai2206im not sure what this means since you can just do it solo

[@glimoreganajai2206]

@@Lemongh3 what u can do solo eureka or ultimate raid? point is you cannot post PF recruitment that will take u entire day to fill party while grinding those mobs in eureka. Therefore im not gonna even bother.

[@lmaogottem5984]

eureka was the first time I ever bothered looking/typing in chat, it was peak even if it was painful

[@flamingosalad3541]

FFXIV needs to start either bringing in some of its expansion selling features into X.0 or start adding more than just 2 mounts to chase from Extreme fights. By X.05 Relic weapons should begin and cap out at 10 levels under the raid weapons, similarly introduce relic armor that can be a middle ground between base tome and tome augment gear. So in this case 725 gear for the 7.0 raid series. By 7.15 allow you to upgrade these to 735 and in 7.25 have these relic weapons and relic armor become augment-able and usable in the field exploration content. So there is something to chase and build to for future content that isn't just going to be thrown to the floor by 7.2. They could create a rogue like dungeon crawl that starts you in the Lv.91 dungeon and you can climb your way up to the Lv.100 expert dungeons but each dungeon progressively gets harder and harder, and each boss killed provides a choice of random buffs & monster enhancements. Something that could also be introduced into X.05.

[@biddybatnana5029]

The FFXIV community is divided in 2, the player who wants constantly new content and challenges, and the chill ones who wants more RP elements, glamour, emotes and zones to explore and hang out at. But even the chill players are starting to get bored..But that's the fate of most MMO sadly.

[@lukasperuzovic1429]

I am on the higher end of the Chill players, I don't feel this way.

[@MrCarlWax]

Nobody is against more content, besides the shareholders

[@leighg9o]

I think the balance of whats fun and worthwhile is lost. The gearing system is dull and pointless unless you engage in savage which means crafting gear is very much the same, gil is very finite to what you spend it on. The whole structure of tbe game is just lost

[@MB-em9ek]

@@MrCarlWax Shareholders want more cash shop content and SE did hear them.

[@MarkoDinicDinke]

I mainly play 14 for raids. The problem I have with them is that it takes too long for new tier to come out, there's only 12/xpac, they do not unlock the gear grind earlier (before the new 24m drops or right as it does), if you're very unlucky with the rolls and are not in a static, it could take you months just to gear up one class, let alone any of the alts you wanna play to keep things fresh and the gearing itself is boring af. I only started playing at the tail end of SHB, it hasn't change since at all. Also, I wanna guess that many people that are terminally subbed are because they got a house and don't wanna give that up. :'D it is the true endgame anyway, housing and glams.

[@dnbjedi]

It does seem particularly cruel how the housing system works. I can’t think of any reason except to keep subscribers on the hook. It’s a pretty big part of FFXIV

[@dnbjedi]

You lose your house if you don’t stay subbed? It’s like a 90 day grace period? That’s wild…

[@MarkoDinicDinke]

@@dnbjedi 45d, but it seems to be paused atm.

[@christopherbailey3547]

They can turn relic armor into content too , like how Ffxiv had dynamis . Maybe some rare kind of relic armor is an alternative for best in slot and gives additional stats or some unique stat

[@CrispBaker]

The whole field/relic thing was honestly a great addition to the game that mostly worked, and they've abandoned it so hard that Matsuno got disgusted and walked away. Matsuno was their inspiration and they still ditched him for more Duty Support.

[@weberman173]

@@CrispBaker They abandoned it because the Players dint like it. And Matsuno didnt "walk away because he was disgusted" but the FFXIV team simply didnt want to do a follow up on blades of Gunhildr because the entire zone, and most of the story line, was badly recieved as much as i agree that changes are something i would like. MOST changes people ask for where usualy already attempted in some way shape and form and HARD rejected by the community altnerate gearing options where exploded with the diadem and hard rejected. Bozja and Eureka where already realativly unpopular when they where current content. And only Bozja somewhat got a positive reputation later on, and even then its a "its not that bad" kinda positive thing.

[@TheFabulousRBK]

It wasn't nearly as frustrating when patch cycles were 3 months instead of 5 or 6

[@Raansu]

Its 4 months now.

[@dragonmares59110]

@@Raansu It is 5 now, changed again with dawntrail

[@doinyourdad_6969]

I thought it was 6 months

[@leighg9o]

​@dragonmares59110its 4.5

[@HyouVizer]

​@@dragonmares59110 nah 4 months now. But the first major patch after an expansion launch is always been 5-6 months wait.

[@visoroverwatch3247]

As much as the Graphics overhaul was great and appreciated, the content patches after the initial launch is too far away for FFXIV to thrive content wise. FFXI actually has more interesting Monthly events than FFXIV. For the meantime, I suggest playing GW2 for that open world content FFXIV is lacking.

[@Draylin41]

I came to the realization a year or so ago that this game isn't really going to change in the ways I'd want it to. Not saying it won't have fun content that we can enjoy but it's got that problem of being too big of a game. They'll occasionally throw something in that surprises us, but it will still be within their established formula. It's become a slow cumbersome beast that will only venture so far before it needs to rest. While some groups of players will find a way to make their own fun, a lot of us need a bit more structure than that. SE has been making this game way more single-player friendly for those interested in the story content, which is good but ultimately ignores the bigger problem of what to do with the majority of its players once they catch up. The game just needs more community driven content and Field Operations can be a stopgap for a little while, but it needs more. They've been trying a few things like the Variant dungeons and Island Sanctuary but then don't do enough it incentivize them in the long run. If they could find something that non-raiders really want to engage with that isn't a mostly single-player Endeavor and has a good gameplay loop a lot of the complaints about content drought will go away.

[@Nman222223]

A lot of good points but also the lack of imbalance between roles is becoming very apparent, the healers and phys range base is losing players and the fact we have to wait 3 years for 8.0 for the “class overhauls” is soul crushing. Also load times are decreasing, when I logged in (yes I’m on a congested world) used to be on average 30-65 players is now 3-15

[@hinatachibi7223]

I am glad I wasn't the only one to see this. I feel it is pretty boring and unfair to people who don't want to raid to only have that be the new content in the game before the next major patch after an expansion launch. The only content that non raid players can do is return to older content from past expansions which I think for people who played longer, have already done. It can be easy to dismiss the point and say "Go play other games" without considering, maybe they just want to play this game for a few hours or maybe they already played another game and just came back to play FFXIV. I know they want to have more people engage in raiding, but if someone truly does not want to do it or does not find it appealing, they won't engage with it at all and that is fine, there should be some new content to go along with the raid tier so the savage raiding is not the only new content that is available for players (also other content beside the savage raids would be a nice decompress!). Not to mention the exhaustion of weekly raiding only to have to wait another week or even 3-8 weeks just to get what you need for gear upgrades (unless you have a crazy amount of gil for merc runs)!

[@grygaming5519]

As long as Square JP does not compartmentalize funding...as in each studio gets a set amount of money from the revenue it generates. XIV will always have this issue. XIV will be used to fund and supplement other games without only a modest amount being stashed away to keep servers online. The Dawntrail funding was increased only by 10% on top of what was spent on Endwalker (EW was around 33%). If you compare this to lets say.... WoW whom allows the team to maintain roughly 70% control of all earnings. It makes me wonder if Yoshida could expand the game if SE allowed BSU3 to keep at least 50% of what the game makes on sales and re-occurring revenue streams.

[@zeran1994]

at this point it just feels like a lot of xiv players are just subbed cause its part of their life routine to play xiv but after dawntrail launch I personally couldn't do it anymore, it's become a single player game cosplaying an mmo.

[@shirrenthewanderer414]

Word. Like doing all the roulettes in like 3 hours a day. And then 3 hours doing Savage in your static. 2 hours doing the Gold Saucer weeklys. Doing the levequests for the raw gil. And for what? So I can play Barbies Dream House? Don't get me wrong, I like having a housing system, but I want it to be filled with things from my adventures. But the thing is, I don't actually HAVE any adventures. I just have a routine. I don't run into random people and meet them and get enraged with what they are doing, or get asked from my guild to run something, just so I can have a screenshot that I can fondly cherish. WoW is the opposite. Must have 2000+ rating, achivements, 5000+ gear score, on several toons, raider io, dps checks, etc. etc. to get your foot in the door. WoW got more things to do, but good luck getting anyone to do it with.

[@DantoriusD]

​@@shirrenthewanderer414raiding in WoW is a Fulltime Job just to get Ready to Raid. Jeah sorry i dont want that. I know i can quit the Game, come back in 3 Months and still able to do everything. I dont want to play the same Game 24/7.

[@shirrenthewanderer414]

@@DantoriusD I haven't been able to find a real raid or pvp group except 1-2 times in my WoW career because of things in my life, but FFXIV seems to be devoid of substance, I guess it's trading one set of problems with another...

[@Geekezf]

It's that..a routine.

[@lukasperuzovic1429]

@@shirrenthewanderer414 Yet Wow is losing players at an alarming rate Yes ff14 is formulaic, but they been refining this over 6 expansions, game at version 7 they found what works and don't work. Plus DT is getting a Bozian/Eureka style area in a undisclosed Update. I am glad ff14 is the way it is, I can take 3 months off and not have to be behind on everything. Try that with WOW, you realize WoW Rading is a full time job.

[@Lassi117]

I couldn't agree more

[@ZeldaFan2004]

I completely agree. I did all three savage raid tiers during Endwalker. Eric in P1S was my first ever savage raid fight I stepped into that was still current content. By the end, beating Athena in P12S wasn't even fun. I was just glad it was over with. I am questioning if raiding is for me now and I haven't stepped into a savage or even an extreme trial during DT because of it. But, because of that, I only really log in to tend to my plants in my house. I have nothing to do! I cannot wait for the exploration zone to get here... I spent so much time playing around in Bozja during ShB. I miss being able to play with my friends in FF14 like that.

[@lukasperuzovic1429]

So you refuse to do anything yet blame the devs for nothing to do?

[@ZeldaFan2004]

@@lukasperuzovic1429 Wow! Such nuance! I applaud your effort to reduce my situation down to a strawman sound byte that you can then dunk on. Truly a skill that leads to worthwhile discussions. Keep up the good work!

[@petrus9067]

If if helps in anyway, Arcadion 1st tier is probably one of the easiest savage tiers ever apparently. Pandemonium on the other hand from what i heard had very long and tiring fights.

[@Emmerron]

The other issue with the "engage with raiding" argument is that doing the same 4 fights until you get your weapon and set is boring as hell, no matter how good the content itself is

[@xL0stKIlah]

What other content do you even want go pvp or something lol

[@Emmerron]

@ I mean, all the ideas in the video sound pretty good. Basically anything to break the cycle of rinse repeat for PvE. I generally don't engage with PvP, just because it's really not my cup of tea

[@LocTsun]

Isn't this person asking for boring mindless grinding content?

[@immersion9880]

@@LocTsun No, he’s asking for long term goals for people who don’t want to raid. Eureka and Bozja filled those roles prior to endwalker.

[@Raansu]

Eureka and Bozja were literally long term mindless grinding.

[@agsdedluxferre2955]

Can I throw my hat in the ring. I think the problem with FFXIV is there isn't enough content where you can meet in the middle. POTD is my most done content because no matter where you are in the game you unlock it as soon as level 30. Which means everyone can meet and do that content together. It's the only piece of content like this, it doesn't matter if i'm in ARR and you've already beaten the whole game you can meet up and do POTD together. Why there isn't more content like that is baffling to me. The other deep dungeons should of been on ships in Limsa that allow players who havn't beaten stormblood to go to the tower and do that content after they beat the baseline POTD storyline. I know some folks will be like "but you'll be thrust into higher in content as a level 30" and i'm like so? I had no issue learning my 60 rotation on the fly as a level 30 why not let me do the same with other deep dungeons? The EW deep dungeon should of also been accessible w/o the story beats in some way to not spoil it for ARR people but still allow more forward progression that people from all walks of content can meet in the middle with. Why we don't have more POTD style content where a person can get on a boat in Limsa or go to an expedition guy in Uldah is beyond me, as the game gets further and further along this game NEEDS more content where end game players can meet with new ones, as the gap between the two is getting so far apart it's almost impossible to play with other people and both get a shared benefit from it w/o making a whole new character or simply tagging along and watching them do their thing from afar.

[@petrus9067]

That's actually a really nice idea i don't see many people point out. I think other than gold saucer (kind of) and i guess fishing, PVP and the wolves den is a place where endgame and newgame players can meet. But then they removed pvp for free trial a few years agor...

[@hennyzhi2261]

I used to really embrace the "just play other games" argument but I've kind of gotten into the terrifying mindset of "when did I last log in, is my house on auto-demolish" mindset (and thankfully I've somehow managed to keep it). I think the sentiment comes from a good place not wanting people to be addicted to an MMO which is a far more prevalent problem, but I think people by design want to work towards things if they are in a healthy mindset. Its why if I talk to friends in a call while playing FF14 I will roam around in circles without thinking just to stimulate my digital avatar like it has irl limbs that don't want to go numb from being a coach potato. It's a hard line to walk between healthy grind and addiction, but games like OSRS are still doing well - a much older game where the entire premise is enjoyable, vibe grinds that are personal to each and every player. We need that every person content. The raiders will get burnt out without it, and the casuals will get bored after clearing the same milk-toast dungeons in roulette. It's like you said, mid-core is important because it brings everyone together. It felt like an MMO while in a packed Eureka server and it was the most fun I had playing.

[@petrus9067]

That's a good point not many people talk about. Because we rightfully are criticizing the slowness and sameness of new content and reason to keep logged in, but on the other extreme is a incredibly grindy game that asks for you to keep a lot more hours per week just to catch up etc etc. It can still be liked by a smaller niche, but it will be hard to attract new people. Balancing those two sides is very hard. They want the game to be playable for people whoonly care/can play like 3 hours per week, but that leaves long term experienced players feeling bored

[@SquidLips413]

It is a little weird how little content is available at expansion launch. For normal mode players its the MSQ, two extra dungeons, six zones for fates, and gathering/crafting. The MSQ is a lot of content, but it's also almost entirely single player. People who want to do level cap stuff will typically try to get through it quickly, since so much is locked behind MSQ progression. After MSQ it's pretty much just leveling jobs and fate grind. This is definitely where it would be nice to have a good, long term goal like a relic weapon. Raids come out early enough, but normal raid gear is a weekly grind and becomes basically obsolete with the first round of crafted gear. There is always the backlog of content, but it would be nice if there was more current expansion content.

[@CrispBaker]

They blew all the art resources on the graphics upgrade and all the design resources on rebuilding the entire game around single player Duty Support. Nothing left to make actual content, which is part of why the campaign was so mediocre.

[@TheRewyn]

The middle of the road being so absent is a terrible pain point of the game. I dislike WoW in general, but the fact they offer Mythic+ Dungeons mean that I can do some challenging content that does not require the level of organization that a raid entails. It's also repeatable content, which is important, because in FFXIV there really isn't much repeatable content that *also* feels rewarding. I really think the small curve of item upgrades (where theres only 2 real tiers, of tomestone level of dungeons, and raid tier thats about 10 levels ahead) is far too limiting.

[@ShadowProject01]

I agree. We haven’t had a deep dungeon since Stormblood and a player overland content like Eureka since Shadowbringers. We need some more varied content for sure.

[@foxyfoxington2651]

I’m coming to believe that their intent was to wind the game down after Endwalker. They’re just coasting into maintenance mode.

[@Spaghetty]

The people whose argument is "Go play another game if you got so many complaints" is just asking for the game to go out. Keep saying it for long enough, and people will leave (some already have).

[@Bupkiss]

Those instances like Bozja is the most MMO feeling gameplay component that ffxiv has I think. Its a big scenario that feels free flowing in the way people can group up or solo the content in it and it has progression

[@KindredEmotions]

The joy of raids quickly runs dry when you realize it’s just an endless loop of raiding for gear to help you do more raiding. There’s nothing else to use it on. It isn’t needed for dungeons, alliance raid or even extreme. It makes them easier, sure, but the only reason you ever want/need BiS is to do ultimate. Once you’ve done both, there’s nothing left but to gear alts and well, some of us enjoy raiding but fucking hate coffer/totem farming.

[@christopherbailey3547]

Actually is to afk in a city while a random casual runs by and admires you in awe

[@leighg9o]

Tbf i think they need to rework the entire ilvl and gearing system. Its extremely pointless when you actually figure it out that ita just there for savage and savage catch up. Can go the whole of the msq with the bare minimum so whats the point in me bothering to do content to get better gear.

[@renarenacat]

@@leighg9o imo contents of 7.1 should've give us 730 or higher iLvl gears. Make them the new BiS that is obtainable without doing easier content so everyone can get them for chaotic raid. Problem with this is that the savage will be irreleveant in single patch,and thats prob why they don't do it.

[@Decus86]

​​@@renarenacatSavage is kinda irrelevant after one patch anyway. By now the only people doing it are the stragglers who struggle clearing or people who need to swap jobs for the ultimate, but are still locked behind the weekly cap (which is just stupid). Everyone else is done with the tier already as even midcore groups cleared in 2 - 3 weeks and are all bis for weeks now

[@renarenacat]

@@Decus86 yeah. But it is nice to be able to do savage and find ppl to do easily in the next patch if you weren't playing on the released patch.

[@mauricej007]

If I'm correct, this game is the main reason SE stays afloat? One would think they would pump all the money into 14...which would reduce the patch cycles and way more content...

[@KaiyokoStar]

Both FFXIV and FFXI are the best selling Final Fantasy games, so I would argue that their MMO division in general is the reason SE has stayed afloat and funded other projects in the past years.

[@zedorian6547]

@KaiyokoStar Let’s not forget about Dragon Quest X which has been massively successful as well for an mmo only “officially” released in Japan and China.

[@seniorderpface]

I think they only need to do about 2 things differently to make .0 work: -Expand the fate system take a note from treasure hunting and if in a full party then ever so often suck players into instance just instead of rng and a bunch of trash make it one arena critical engagement styled fight. (For unique loot and a heap of bi-colored gems) -Relic Weapon prep have the job gear weapon augmented though a mix of style of Wonderous Tails, Treasure Trove and ARR books (Consistent progress and random objectives some new and some old content.) resulting in a let's say +15 ilvl increase and a precursor for the upcomming relic content. (Outgearing crafted weapons by 5ilvl) Mind that's my proposition for fixing the launch patch I don't think they need anything crazy in .0, however in .1 they needs something more time stretchy and substantial like you mentioned an exploratory zone or something.

[@Skadus1114]

MSQ that you finish in 2 hours with 1 dungeon. 1 Unreal (weekly). 1 Alliance raid (weekly reward). Society quests. Ultimate (not everyone does this). And Chaotic. This one seems pretty good, but taking a look at other things, it's just not enough. And it comes 6 months after expansion's release.

[@SkandiTV]

It's insane to think it's already been almost half a year since Dawntrail dropped I've basically just been doing daily roulletes. I am STARVED for exploration zones, relics, long-term grinds

[@hypnotic13371337]

"Where do you see yourself in 5 years?" Me, a Hroth player: Still hatless

[@illuminatannunak]

the modders could do this for free (even with certain caveats) but SE can't even bother to begin the process of "hatisation", slowly but steadily making all hats wearable for both viera and hrothgar but no, we cant even get hairstyles for femhroth on release, I can only wonder where sub, dlc and shop money are going, because its obvious they are not spent on the game

[@arkadiccal7271]

The Overworld in FF14 needs to be changed. Add things to do and explore. More jumping puzzles out in the world that lead to really nice looking areas or maybe some notes u find that explains some lore about things. Add Treasure maps for solo players without the whole instance stuff. You just get a map and try to figure out where to go and can get hints if needed. There needs to be something to do to have players run around zones and not be empty. This is only the tip of what they could do. 3 City states and Characters in the story/random npcs in the city should be rework. your telling me after all this we dont see limsa get bigger with us allying with other places and getting more trade and etc etc? i think the 3 cities need to get bigger to not only hold more players and reduce lag in one area being over populated but also show how the city grows with more cultures coming in as we ally with different people. Zones in Base ARR need to be combined i cant with how many loading screens it is these days. We know they can do this as they have already done so. Underwater Content holy shit where is it? add more sunken treasure and sunken stuff add combat in the water Im sorry im sure people dont want to hear it but Combat needs to be changed. These are a few things i can think of on them improving but ff14 really needs to start going back to that mmo feel

[@Harima-gtf]

It is the 1st expansion that I did not pre order and I still have not played it yet. I am waiting either for field operations or Beast Master and I hope they convinced me to return.

[@Rainbowsaur]

The game was great for my first expansion but I think there is a decent amount of people are in the same boat as me. We started just before Endwalker, got to have alot of time experiencing the great story, and then around 6-12months after Endwalker is out we finally finish the story and start trying some raids/bozuya ect/doing relic weapons; once you do hardcore raiding for one current patch/research how to do relic weapons do them abit/do some bozuya the veil over your eyes is just practically instantly ripped away from over your face and you realize "Wait, so they just do the same shit each and every expansion? like pretty damn close to a 1:1 ratio..?" and when Dawntrail came out and the dissapointing story came it just compounded onto the lack of hope you already had after realizing how much of not an MMORPG FF14 really is and well, we cancelled out subs so long as we don't have housing, or are guilted by friends to keep it active just so you can stay in contact and "hehe wanna do DaiLy RouLettEs TogEhteR for The 894th tIme?" where everyone will inevitably mention something like "haha I'm to fall asleep x.x" "omg I nearly fell asleep just now haha" without realizing how bad of a problem that statement itself is.

[@Eszoable]

Just the inherent structure of the patches, outside of them taking ages, has becoming more and more of an issue. I feel every patch should have some big content towards all levels of players, may it be raiding or casual or in-between. And I don't count some new rewards to the treasure map as actual content. Things we can actively do, perhaps weekly like the custom deliveries but then they split those up between battle and gathering, excluding certain type of players. (And no, 15-30min events should not be the standard we agree upon for those things either. Square Enix do better.) Next to the imbalance of content there's also a massive issue of the FFXIV reward system. Now don't get me wrong, I've had some of my best laughs together with friends or simply reading the shout chat in Diadem, Eureka or Bozja. But things like Alliance Raids are often fairly dead on arrival due to them not giving any significant gear, it's often for glamour or that one coin you get at the end. Alliance Raids are longer and longer released after the Savage Tier has come out, give us a different stat-set to play around with. Perhaps some pieces that fill up gaps. The relics have this very same issue, they only become truly useful in their final step (outside of niche instances of older Ultimates) when we are pretty much in the downtime towards the next expansion. It doesn't entice players to stick to that content, or even motivate them to invest their time within such content longer. Structurally more issues are becoming apparent with these longer downtimes between patches. And perhaps Squeenix wants to gather more towards the players that log in once or twice a week, as they've made relics take way less time investment as well among other content. Or those who treat this game as a second life to hang out with friends standing in Limsa, which I agree is also the MMO aspect but then without content. All I know is that it's a shame and it's makes me sad thinking back to what the game once was.

[@brosenhiemer]

As someone who got into raiding just to sate the boredom once i got bis i find it hard to log back in and chase it again on other jobs due to the weekly lockout of tomes. Especially seeing as i have a majority of my raid pieces. I dont wanna cancel my sub until the field operation content drops due to my retainers and minion farming. But the lack of content to do once you're done with raids, done with the older stuff, leveled all Combat, crafter, and gathering jobs, is very apparent

[@ReveredDead]

The downside I see about 7.1 is that it's all orientated toward raiders. As a raider myself this is fine. But I can understand why solo players might want more solo type content. Like another Eureka zone for example. The fact that a new pve zone isn't coming in 7.1 is an issue. And let's be honest here, the MSQ of dawntrail was not good. It was worse than Stormblood imo. So I think that left a sour taste in peoples mouth and most just hopped off the game and haven't been on since...they need to do better with writing, character development and make YOU the player the main focus again.

[@LunatoTsukiyo]

this is the result of the aggressive toxic positivity over the years, especially in recent years

[@godsil11]

I genuinely think that if they want to keep this 4 month gap between major patches, they absolutely need to work on content longevity, something as simple as adding shared FATE to 2.0-4.0 zones could be a potential bandied, but earlier relics with more steps that last the whole expansion, rather than half would be a more consistent solution. perhaps maybe even a rotating world event(like a zone wide FATE or something) that can spawn in each field zone that spawns special mobs and gathering nodes, just something to direct traffic a bit; having recently made an alt its weird seeing how empty ARR is compared to even 4.55 when I started, and that probably gives new players a pretty grim impression.

[@MadamePianissima]

People keep saying FF14 respects your time. But the reality is that I feel like it doesnt respect my money. Its asking for 15 dollars to even have the privilege to log in for 30 days. But only gives you enough content for like, four. And one, maybe 2 days a week for reset. I've seen people try to argue that gposing and fishing is enough to validate the monthly sub system. Its insane.

[@timvb2999]

I've been feeling the same way for a while. At this rate why even pay a monthly sub when even the director tells you to go play other games when you're done with patch content in 4 hours if you don't even raid. I find the whole monthly sub hard to justify when there's not much new content worth subscribing for, especially with the micro transactions store. There's plenty of content for new players but if you're a long time player you're absolutely starved for content.

[@zerwif]

I now wait for the next expansion to do most patch content. I remember purposely not turning in the quests for Castrum Fluminis and the Aetherfont when they were new. I'm probably not going to subscribe again until 8.0 or even later.

[@DantoriusD]

Do pvp,level all your Jobs, do Achivement Hunting, do Hunts , its not line there isnt enough Content....its just not Content designed for you.

[@MadamePianissima]

@@DantoriusD Only one of those things is content. I shouldnt have to make my own content. Thats the devs job, in case you forgot. Its their job to justify asking me to pay 15 dollars a month with content THEY create. Not scrapping the bottom of the barrel and achievement hunting and doing zerg hunts where the boss dies in like 5 seconds. The fact you even suggested those things shows how theres absolutely no content in FF14

[@someonethere1122]

​@@MadamePianissima all of those things are content just because you don't like them doesn't mean it's not content.

[@Torrens81]

I mostly do deep dungeon content as I like the randomness of it. I would love some open world dungeons like in XI though which you could explore. They give us this huge beautiful world which just turns into a barren wasteland when most people are 100. I’ve dabbled in Ultimates but dislike them because it’s a coin toss to see whether your group will stick it out and if it breaks apart then you are forced to spend days/weeks reprogging. It’s exhausting so I’d appreciate some more relaxed stuff with longevity.

[@fabiolamonier5144]

Very good video, i agree with everything and i feel like its a sentiment shared by a lot of people, pls keep speaking out and representing the community and dont let the shills stop you from doing it!

[@rienquish1926]

I totally agree with this, as someone who used to raid and go for bis gear during SHB and start of EW, once I got tired of the constant gear grind and bit burnt out with raiding, in post Endwalker there has been nothing to do for long time players who are not raiding. I'm so sick of grinding treasure maps with friends that I haven't even went into the new one yet because I know it's going to be exactly the same as before, in EW they even made the version where you pick a door shorter than it used to be making it even easier to reach the last room. Originally I was really exited for the variant and criterion dungeons but then I got everything from the first one in a day and was only left with Criterion which is similar to savage which I didn't really have much energy to try and clear with randoms. To add insult to injury, the relic weapons in EW were a joke compared to any earlier version, the whole of post EW felt like SE didn't want us to actually play the game as you could get everything done so fast and easy. My husband who has grinded every single relic from all earlier expansions, refused to do any in EW because they were too easy and felt pointless. He wants to play the game but hasn't been interested to ever since post EW because there simply isn't anything for him to do in the game. He even ground some of the S-rank hunt mounts just for something to do and is now left with nothing. The only thing keeping both of us subbed at this point is owning houses we don't want to lose to automatic demolition which is a really ridiculous way for SE to keep people subbed every other month. They need to do better at adding more content like eureka and bozja for people who just want to grind towards a goal. Relics used to be a great way for someone to sink all their time into just to get them all and if you didn't have time for that just get one or two. It was great optional content that kept players engaged between patches, even if it always comes pretty late in the patch cycle. I feel like in recent years SE has gotten terrified of releasing grindy content that everyone won't have time to complete everything for and has focused way too much on solo play, it all has made the game feel very lonely and it's pretty hard to meet new people and make friends (to replace the once who quit for lack of stuff to do) if you are not into the whole RP and clubbing scene in the community. And sure, for new players there is so much to do in the game that I've seen many struggle with what to focus on first, but as someone who's already done most of it, I'd still like to have something more to do without having to start a new character and do it all over again...

[@petrus9067]

It's still completely crazy to me that they made EW relics they way they did. What was the reason??? Even worse because they even created the variant dungeon system that could tie in with relics for a bit, but no. Making the relics about Hildibrand was a mistake i saw coming from a mile away I really will never understand why they made to do this with the EW relics. I can't imagine the graphical update development affecting that content

[@damnsahn]

The combat is more engaging in DT, this change is greatly appreciated.

[@zedorian6547]

Is it? It’s been putting me to sleep just as much as it has been for the last few expansions

[@SkandiTV]

@@zedorian6547 The encounter design has objectively been a step-up across the board so far from Endwalker, dungeons, trials, raids, feel way more engaging, even on the normal difficulty / non-extreme or savage (how the ultimate holds up we'll see starting this Tuesday) Unfortunately, job design has not stepped up really at all, Viper has zero bite, and Pictomancer is way too basic and strong for how easy it is

[@RecklessCV]

​​​​​​​​​​@@SkandiTVI'd agree that DT Normals and extremes have been signifanctly improved. Not a high bar to reach from EW. Savage tier so far has been okay. We got slightly smaller hit boxes, still oversized imo but regardless it doesn't matter because the dps check is so easy. Still basically full uptime fights, and with such lenient dps checks its dumb to greed unless you're parsing. Mechanically nothing interesting this tier, and I think the normal modes had some cool mechs. M4 Soft enrage, m3 back to back arena dash , and m2 heart/aoe dodge not in the savage version. Even the new ultimate has just become more of the same because the job and fight design has stagnanted. Silly or challenge comps are much harder to do with the new change to lb3 generation. Just an excuse to stop players from out smarting the devs like with tankcob or no healer TOP. Kills creativity in a game thats already suffering from variety. The game has peaked and square has no more incentive to invest money into the game. If we didnt see a quality increase in endwalker we definintely wont now. I hope im wrong

[@MystisNykoto]

Bare minimum, expansion launch should contain a lengthy relic grind, a beast tribe, and either the field operations content or the casual field content like island sanctuary or the coming cosmic exploration

[@CrispBaker]

The excuse in Endwalker was the extensive and complex campaign, but the Dawntrail campaign was 99% "watch another cringe Wuk cutscene using canned animations" and it didn't have anything more. They've clearly blown all their resources on Duty Support, even to the point of doing it with trials.

[@Guigasdm]

I do believe they should do more evergreen overwold content, but people would still find it boring after a while. - While, for evergreen content you would need to give the players a good reward, that might lock people into grinds they do not enjoy, or exhaust themselves in. Complaining content takes long to come is kinda dumb. - It takes long to develop. Content is a lot slower to make, than to consume. - Putting more people inside a car doesn't make it go faster. (for those who would say hire more people, it would probably make it more convoluted to direct the game) - They could deceive us by skewing content a patch on this expansion so we get earlier on the next, but it would affect the current patch. Its pretty disingenous to ask for faster content. People to blind themselves when criticizing the cadency of work of others. Try not to make FFXIV your only mean of entertainment. You would appreciate it more when you play it.

[@Daniel-oj7xh]

No youyso valid for this video. As someone who love this game and has played for close to 10 years, the decline of the theme of adventure and sole focus on raiding to appease us has gotten stale.

[@LordOfOlympus]

I play the expansion release, max all my crafters to the new max level, then get bored and wait until the next expansion release is announced, come back, do all the MSQ and do some max level weapon stuff and then play until the next expansion release and then repeat. It's not a horrible cycle but I wish the game offered me enough to stay in it through the whole time.

[@XanafiedcatGaming]

I am more of a Mabinogi player than a FF14 player but I have played a bit of FF14 and talk to new players Mabi players who played FF14. Both games actually have a lot of similarities however FF14 is mostly a game driven by Story Content and Raids and Mabinogi is driven by the level of the freedom the game gives you and it's community. You play Mabinogi the way you want to and you have access to roughly 90% of the game content right after you start playing. We do have Premium Service but it is 100% optional and despite it being a gacha game just about any cash shop item can be obtained for gold on the Auction House/Player Market. There is something for everyone whether you enjoy difficult endgame content or just a casual player. Many Mabi players barely do any story at all and play mostly for the fashion system and having fun with friends. FF14 has better Story Quests and better Raids however they are really lacking in actual life skill content. A mmo is supposed to feel like a new world, it is supposed to feel alive. Not just repetitive Raids all the time. If they don't try something new eventually they will get some serious competition. Eventually we will get Ashes of Creation and the only reason Mabinogi is not well known is cause of it's age and outdated engine. But with plans to upgrade Mabinogi to Unreal 5 Engine I believe it will become a serious rival for FF14. They should start trying out new ideas for FF14 and the sooner the better. If they start trying new engaging content now they can do it at a slow pace to give players time to adjust to it. But if they don't do anything until the game gets serious competition players will complain and leave if things move to slow and if they try to do it to fast same bad result, some players will get annoyed by it.

[@BlackFool0]

Hey. Thanks for your thoughts on the matter. I agree with what you said there. I am the leader of a small FC since Stormblood and played since HW. Since the end of 6.0 it has become very hard to keep me and my people engaged. There are only so many maps you can run before it becomes stale. We are "midcore". We do not raids, EX, unreal, because of drama potential. We enjoyed our grinds. I do get that Bozja, etc. takes time, but why not start with the X.05 with your basic farming a material you need for your upcoming shiny weapon? The content they deliver needs to last longer, because of the longer patch cycle. But if you are not raiding or doing PvP, what is there to do together(!) currently? Maps again that we are doing since the end of Endwalker? And I am tired of people saying "Go play something else". I am. I would more, but there are no people that will take the reign as leader for a while, because they play something else. I want to keep this circle alive, but SE makes this for a non-raiding group very hard these days.

[@mrhorrendous2870]

Well to be fair the endgame has been quite samey for some years now "Do weekly raids, get tomestone cap, gear up with tomestones and rinse and repeat at new patch" It's been pretty much the same system for all these expansions , they definitely need to do something to break this up.

[@lukasperuzovic1429]

Thats almost every MMO, also WOW is worst as you can't take a week off unless you want to fall off the ability to do raids. While FF14 you raid to get stronger.

[@zedorian6547]

@lukasperuzovic1429 or just run your dailies and buy crafted gear which is more than good enough to do most content in the game that is not high end trials that ffxiv players think are raids

[@Drac_Iguro]

With how much content is planned for DT I thought they would maybe switch up how things worked a bit but no same expansion release and I’m looking forward to what we have in 7.1 and I’m glad we are getting the chaotic raid but man it hurts to know exploration zone won’t be until most likely 7.25. It just always feels wild to be excited for expansion launch then remember oh yeah I still have another year until I start to get the content I’m looking for. I feel like it maybe didn’t feel too bad after SB and ShB since we could dip back into the older content but with what we got in EW it was like one lull to another.

[@zedorian6547]

Chaotic Raid will be dead content within 2 months

[@darkmistress1980]

i used to be a hard core raider in WoW. i came to this game for the story and MSQ. since the end of EW im not excited or enthusiastic about the plot or characters in the current sceme of things. the firs thing i did when DT hit was go level my BTN/MIN after a certain point of MSQ. the last zone really killed me and made me not wanna progress cause of its gpose potential. so if im not clearing duty finder (or raid finder WoW eq) im doing my roulettes/FL PVP and then logging on to an alt and enjoying the story again. i didnt care for STB but after seeing DT so far i would happily do that again.

[@VargThorsolf1114]

I would argue that due to long queue times, PVP is also un-playable for many due to long wait times. I know they stated they are going to work on a better system for match making, but they aren't there yet. The game needs yet again a huge revamp but I'm not sure if they can pull off another reborn miracle.

[@joshk6929]

Back for the sub, farm the tomes, sub expired, back and farm again. I'm bored being in the loop. Really. Has been in a dilemma if I should move on to a new game, considering how much time and money I have invested. The mediocre 7.0 expansion was the biggest deciding factor for me.

[@Vincent_63]

Or.. they could put exp gaps in the story so that we have to do difficult fates and/or side quests in order to level up and continue the story and unlock new dungeons and gear. It would give us a reason to interact with each other, it would give them time to make content because people don’t finish the whole base xpack in one week. It would satisfy the people who like story, the people who want to hit things in order to level up and the casuals would still be able to long on for 1 hour and accomplish something. I don’t even know what the “fun” part of this game is supposed to be.

[@Haseo8]

Honestly, that might create more problems. From experience it gets very frustrating when I can't continue the story and have to grind for a while just to continue the story. It won't make people go do difficult fates and stuff like that. I do want more content besides the msq and raids, it shouldn't be forced though, imo.

[@petrus9067]

That's how ARR worked back in 2013 from what i heard. But it had to be this way because of the minimal content ingeneral because of the game being so new. But i kinda actually agree that something like this could mix up the formula and make the overworld more relevant, altho i dont really know how it would be possible for then to do other than make the story not give exp.

[@Haseo8]

@@petrus9067 Oh yeah, that's right. I remember ARR was like that. I got level gated so I had to go to some side quests and stuff. I kind of hated it though...

[@petrus9067]

@Haseo8 yeah, it would not go well for majority of the playerbase i imagine lol. It would have to be a really good revamped MSQuesting system to be worth it

[@LunatoTsukiyo]

also the just play another game is so stupid, yeah you can do that sometimes but you paid for the expansion so expecting more content than the msq should be the norm

[@renarenacat]

tbh you should know what content will come out before you buy. They tell you everything unique/new content that'll come before the release. For DT there will be all the usual stuff(MSQ,Trials,Dungeons,Hunts,Fates,DoH/L stuff etc,1raid series,2 Ultimates) and exploration content,cosmo explorer,new deep dungeon,Beastmaster,Bluemage update. If this seems lacking,you should not buy the expantion.

[@LunatoTsukiyo]

@renarenacat they barely tell you what are you talking about? Do you know what Cosmic Exploration will be? Do you know what kind of dungeons they will release? Do you know what kind of story content they will cover? They don't have to tell you anything and could completely change what they do with the expansion over the 2 years its active.

[@renarenacat]

@@LunatoTsukiyo I don't know what exactly each content will be, but I know what kind of content they are. Cosmic Exploration is a new content that they haven't show or talk atall,so if thats the only thing you might want to buy the expantion for you should wait till the information comes out. For other content,they explaned or you can tell by its name. Field Expedition content is Eureka/Bozja type of content,deep dungeons are deep dungeons. You don't need to know exactly what the content will be to have an idea of what to expect and concider the purchase.

[@LunatoTsukiyo]

@renarenacat how should I know if I like an expansions content without actually playing it? Seriously stop making excuses for a billion dollar company and start learning to give out criticism instead of just making everything positive.

[@renarenacat]

@@LunatoTsukiyo By playing the old expansions? Or you can just watch videos of similar contents. Theres rarely any "new" content in this game. Most of the stuff works the same. Raids,trials,dungeons,field ops,deep dungeons you should know what these contents are before release. I'm not making excuses just telling you that they announce all the content before release of expansion and follow the same release scedule every expansion.

[@soranortthirteen561]

SE needs to pump out more content that isn't just seasonal events and moogle tomes inbetween patches after the initial expac launch and content drought pre-8.0. Pre Dawntrail wait ended up having FFXIV exhaust all of their collab events. With the extended patch cycle, they should unlock the raid tier on the odd patches immediately. It should not take about 30 something weeks or a patch and a half for the savage raid tier to be unlocked to farm gear. One of my main complaints with the limited and unrewarding rewards structure is that that gearing up more than one job/role in savage takes forever.

[@spetsu1]

I think most of the community agrees with you on this. I love raiding, and these patches have been great for me, I cant wait to get home to start progging ultimate, but for all the fun I'm having I understand that I'm in the in the minority of the playerbase.

[@italian504]

I feel as if eversince Yoshi P admitted he wanted people to play other games (himself included) and how he made room for releases to not overlap games, it's become far more noticable that he is afraid to give people "all" the content at launch or by first patch thinking people would burn out instantly from the FOMO bug. Thing is the average MMO player isnt taking an hour or two to clear a dungeon back in the 2000's. We are mostly optimizing machines and we WILL clear content instantly the moment it comes out or share resources/datamine and more to get what we want ASAP. he is curating the experience of the mmo thinking slowing us down is a good thing but it only suffocates that middle core of players that MMO games rely on. All they had to do was release the first relic step in 7.1 at the bare minimum...

[@misst5835]

Hey Kaiyoko I really feel that us paying players need to get together and tell the square enix shareholders/CEO etc to give their main earner more money; pull their heads in or we quit! Imagine if even an 8th of what they wasted on nft pipe dreams was given to Yoshi P? They need to remember that this game is their biggest earner (their bread and butter) and they need to re-invest in it. We can point out things we do not like/need improvement but his budget is not big enough to make more than a limited amount of changes at a time. This to me is the logistical reality. I honestly feel the real problem is that he has delivered a decent product on a 'smell of an oily rag' budget for so long they see it as normal. I really do feel like the problems are not going to go away without the company giving the team more money. They pushed two expansions into one which made sense at the time during the pandemic but it ended the story arcs of most peoples favorites then did something very risky; a story reset. Leaving us floating with no tension/no agon and no group content other than fall guys (I did like the criterion dungeons). The company should have given them more money for that story reset so they could have given us more content between. They do not understand how risky that move was. They need to appreciate us; their paying audience. Its not Yoshi P that makes those decisions. Imagine if he had the budget WOW has! Thank you for your content and fashion reports. I agree with your critiques and could write list after list of what I think they need to do but without the company giving the team more money I dont know how they can pull off all the new things plus adding other new things and changing older stuff (like the utter dogsh*t retainer menu). We the paying players need to tell the company, its shareholders and CEO to re invest more in their main earner or they will lose it! Secure a decent budget for the devs!

[@Frogstomp333]

that happens when people cancel their sub fees, plain and simple.

[@DarkKeybladeMaster23]

if it aint broke dont fix it. id rather they do what they currently do which keeps enough people interested than for them to do something that back fires and has less people interested

[@mannifinalsummer4544]

That's just so damn true. I don't do hard content and the game feels for me like there's either msq or grind to do, nothing else really. And yes, IS is also a braindead grind, just like fates, weekly roulettes and raids with loot cap. What else is there to do? Fishing is grind, crafting in a way too, even the gold saucer. Just repeating the same stuff over and over and over until you get enough to trade the tomes and coins for your desired stuff. Only MSQ is breaking this cycle. Tell me, do I oversee something? I love the game dearly with almost 10 years in it now but I'm getting tired of doing the same fights with no end only to get the minimum ilvl gear for next dungeons and rinse repeat. And the patch cycles don't hype anymore as they feel like ubisoft formula. The only long lasting content I immensely enjoyed was Ishgard Restauration. It was so nice to work together with so many others competing for being the 1st finished server and watching the map develop before my very eyes. This didn't feel like grind at all bc I finally felt my work had a real impact on the game. One feature I really miss here, now that I think about it. This game is interactive like a death horse, the maps never change even after doing tons of really impactful quests. They look nice, yes, but after collecting ether currents there's no reason anymore to spend time in them except for braindead fate grinds. Nothing to explore, the big cities except for the 3 starters are always 90% empty after msq is finished and also they feel so lifeless, so...boring, like ghost towns. Just had this thought today again in Solution 9. Such a huge, pretty place for what? 20 npcs walking through it like a pandemic ended like 95% of the population and those are the last survivors? It's so sad to watch. Maybe I'm due for a longer break but I'm not sure if I find enough reason to return as MSQ this time didn't satisfy enough 😢

[@jacobpinkley232]

Gunbreaker main here, we need some more artifact gear to obtain for free through merchants (like the Hannish Au Ri merchant at Idlyshire in Endwalker.)

[@idleeidolon]

They should redo the Hunt/FATE system and to give the open-world a fresh feeling and higher number of players wandering it. The Field Operation should be included into the X.0 expansion at launch, and instead of being in its own zone, should be in the New Zones in the base expansion replacing the Hunt/FATE system. Imagine something like critical encounters from bozja but in the open world of Tural. Give players reasons to be dispersed across the Zone instead of just following each other in trains from Fate to Fate, like Bozja did.

[@DoctorPlato]

Great video. I love 14 and I want to play more but there feels like there's no motivation to login.

[@tenroy6]

The crazy thing is, our cities are empty. Like how have they NOT been looking at PLAYER LOGIN COUNT. Like its insane... Even Endwalker had double the amount of people online ESPECIALLY in cities people talking about the msq to their friends etc. This time? DT was so bad no ones talking about it or excited. Everyones logging off. And honestly theres 0. ZERO content in ff14. Every expansion date, we should have HUGE things to do. HOURS AND HOURS of content that can take a whole year. Looking at you Eureka/Bozja. ON RELEASE. Not some bullshit time away. Endwalker has ZERO content the ENTIRE expansion, so were waiting 3 YEARS for a CRUMB of something to do.

[@Rine.4656]

Yeah, I had to take more extended breaks with Dawntrail because after playing the game since ARR, it just feels the same aside from the updated MSQ each expansion. I understand why SE does it in order to make an experience people can anticipate what's gonna happen each patch and plan their time to enjoy it, but it still feels boring to me to know what's roughly coming each patch in an expansion. The one change I am looking forward this time is the fact that they're adding a lot more content vs previous expansions (field zone, criterion dungeons, crafting area, deep dungeon update, blue mage update, beastmaster) on top of the usual stuff. Maybe I've just been playing 14 for too long, but if the formula doesn't seem like it'll ever change, then I might need to take an even longer break and maybe come back after skipping the next expansion.

[@ashleymcmillan3379]

Since I don't like Roguelike mechanics, I tended to stray away from the Deep Dungeon stuff. But when it comes to content that I enjoyed aside from mindless grinding levels on Dungeon Queues. I really like most of the solo duties, whethere they be job specific like the Stormblood Job Quests, or the MSQ ones like Metal Gear Thancred. I feel the solo duty design squad in the game is being slept on. The duel against Galool? Amazing. I would love a Battle Tower of Various Solo Duties. And make a Time Trial aspect of it too so you can replay and get better.

[@1Shayz1]

I think you forget not everyone is completely caught up all the time. Like 4/5 of my friends who play FF haven't even completed Dawntrail. This "content lull" is great to let the average player catch up For me, 7.1 brought emotes while sitting, and some fun weapons to grind for from treasure dungeons, which I think is enough content for casual players

[@silverancient7840]

Good video. I agree that XIV does not know how to engage players. The dev team just does not want to make an MMO and that is the problen with the game.

[@eriadend]

To add something i thinking lately (mostly influenced for wow the game i playing instead) its the itemization of the alliance raids in general could be more important for the "endgame", so we have more variety on doing stuff to gear up, and not only the same 4 savage 8-man raids over and over again, same with criterion dungeons, or something like Bozja/Eureka, idk, they have a lot of ideas for multiple games out there, just use something and not the same every patch. Ty @KaiyokoStar very nice video.

[@MordonaT]

I still do Bozjan front even now as my "I got nothing else to do, so level and kill time on the front". I know its not good for 90+ leveling, but honestly I just like being out there and helping the new people with the tactics, carrying and making new friends. But I been saying all this since endwalker. SE seems to be married to this formula and this is going to be a problem soon, if not already. There needs to be some level of Innovation and risk.

[@CrispBaker]

Bozjan Front is great and you can really tell exactly when they abandoned the field operations, right after DR, because Zadnor was so cheap and perfunctory in comparison.

[@wilddragonchase]

FFXIV definitely needs more field operations. those are designed to be social just like in old school MMOs, and are great because they're freeform and arent balanced around the holy trinity, so they're also alot less boring and take longer to "solve". its definitely good that they're bringing it into 7.x but it should be released much earlier so that players have more to do. a lot of field ops players are midcore and dont raid and really need something like this. not having this in 6.x made it a failure for me. and variant dungeons were terrible too

[@Rolaz]

i feel like 4 bosses every patch and not a full raid is a joke. Why they cant release a full raid. The lack of PvE content in the current patch this is what turning me away from FF14.

[@SemekiIzuio]

I love Eureka/Bozja as much as I love PotD HoH. Eureka Orthos has a different feel to it but is enjoyable and I was happy they added another Deep Dungeon for EW. Now Im looking forward to another Field Operation in DT but its going to be months! Since Patch FOs have dropped off but I hope people come back soon, its lonely being in an instance alone 😅

[@platinummyrr]

FFXIV has become *extremely" formulaic and the .0 patches are the *most* formulaic of them all. Its quite frustrating as there is not much to do with friends. And doing things with friends should be what the core of MMOs are. If you love raiding, its fantastic. But if you don't like raiding, or you want something more casual to do with friends.. we have.. fates? maps? They even doubled down with the criterion 4-man savages, and the deep dungeons which end up mostly being solo-ops for achievement grinders due to the pain of death and the time investment required to actually clear. We don't have much good "hop in / hop out" content until we get field content. 100% spot on take.

[@finanzwesen1601]

people seem to forget that there is something called mythic plus in wow. mythic plus is the best midcore content any mmmo has to offer imo. an own twist of the ff devs on mythic plus for the game would solve the games issue regarding that

[@KaiyokoStar]

They tried to do this with Criterion I think but it's actually nothing close to Mythic plus in WoW. I'm not sure I want exactly Mythic+ but I definitely think they need to go back to the drawing board with Criterion when it comes to replayability and rewards. I had tried out the original 2 Criterion dungeons and I just had no interest in the 3rd because you can literally just buy the important rewards.

[@finanzwesen1601]

@@KaiyokoStar well yeah that's kinda what i meant right. they shouldn't just copy m+ bc ff14's playerbase isn't the target audience, but they should look to implement something along those lines to make so good midcore challenges that involve dungeon running to some extend

[@CrispBaker]

They tried to do that with the criterion dungeons, but they're terrified of gear creep and of people getting raid quality gear outside of raids, so they can't actually give out Mythic-class rewards. The point of Mythic is that it's an alternative to raiding, and Yoshi will not tolerate that. It's why relics are so neutered.

[@MidoriGrey]

One thing that is infinitely frustrating is, there really is no real actual reason to explore the world of the game beyond the hub zones. The only thing that gets you out there are hunts, fates, tiny sidequests, gathering, and societal quests, and if you really wanna be picky about it; sightseeing points. But there's genuinely no real distractions to engage with in the area zones, so once you're done with a location in the story. You really don't have any reason to ever go out there and explore for exploration's sake. WoW litters their world with a ridiculous amount of seemingly random stuff to do, it definitely screams "open world syndrome" at first, but now that I'm settling back in it just feels like ffxiv needs something like that too. while ffxiv's open zones are vastly underutilized. Something to draw people out of their club venues and city state zones. also let us use mounts in solution nine PLEASE

[@TheHollowBlade]

Agree. I just want the open world to feel like its worth exploring and going out to farm mats or what ever. I dont do a ton of a farming, i typically play fairly casual. But one of my fav farms to do here and there to nab a bit of extra gil is ARR there are some mobs who drop these webs that sell for about 300gil each so i will go and farm those mindlessly for a bit while watching a video or something. I know those zones because of this, i know exactly where to go and what to look for. Meanwhile in xpac content, mobs drop absolutely nothing and give zero xp. Theres no random treasure chests to hunt, so i pay zero attention to the zones just run from point A to point B to complete msq and move on to never ever return to those zones. At the end it feels like over time the devs are trying to make the game more into something like destiny vs an actual mmo which the game is. And because of that the world feels dead and empty. Why even bother having these big open areas. Why not just have us queue up solo for our msq and progress while sitting in a hub town. Outside of that as a casual i still love the game and feel like i still have a metric ton of content to do so no complaints from me past that.

[@shakeweller]

We are at a point where the Mare comunity is literally keeping the game alive.

[@petrus9067]

Its a bit fascinating that ShB was the hugest boom in ffxiv playerbase ever, and endwalker on the other hand is seen as probably the worst expansion in terms of patch cycle content (maybe ahead of only HW). And indeed, they tried some things that didnt go as well for onenreason or another (island sanctuary and variant dungeons for example) and removed other stuff, like not having exploration zone, no relic grind. Plus the pve combat being on its most controversial state almost especially the normal mode difficulty, (looking at you myths of the realm) and also the expansion that they increased the wait between patches. Idk its just a bit sad that endwalker patches content didnt land as good as it should.

[@IaconDawnshire]

In 80 they need to add leveling like in FFXI after hitting level cap.

[@Eisenight]

I could say I'm the middle ground kinda player. I enjoyed the hell out of Bozja and Firmament. I love the MMO aspect of the game. I tried Extreme and Savage and frankly after clearing them up to DT I'm kinda burned out. This is not why I play MMO. I just wanna derp around with my friends, not min maxing iLvls and Glam exclusively. They say I should take a break and come back later. Problem is... ...I don't have a reason to come back.

[@ttabood7462]

Finish story. Cap all job levels. Buy the best gear I can for poetics. Hibernate until the next expansion.

[@ballistic2527]

eureka and especially bozja is how i wish ffxiv actually is

[@Nylnezz]

change will only occur when the money starts drying up and the investors start raising hell other than that SE isnt gonna do shit, yoshi p is incredibly stubborn and apparently jealous of his creation and doesnt want any outside input its his way or nothing else, and his choices have been questionable AT BEST

[@aniimey]

I don't understand why i need to pay to get the game but need to pay monthly subscription to play it 💀

[@emocatte]

Currently the rank 2 scholar in savage, but I've kinda just quit. I only really log in so my house doesnt demolish, but find myself enjoy other MMO's like WoW and Lost Ark (lol) significantly more. WoW has that open world feeling, players around you, delves, traveling to a dungeon for M+, the openness of raiding etc and gear progression that leaves you feeling engaged. FFXIV raiding is fun, but even then- the server is increasingly worse with lag, so much so it probably limits the kind of fight designs they can make for their staple feature every xpac. Gear progression in XIV is also stale. Do weekly expert with people you wont ever talk to or see again. Get tomes. Buy thingy. Get gear from savage (if you win rolls in pugs) or your turn for loot distribution. Really wish to see them lean into the MMO element... aswell as RPG element. Which to be honest, the game is lacking both the MMO and RPG in the game. There's no class diversity, no talents, no build diversity, no real flavor, classes are getting more and more bland and straight forward. You only have raid, you queue into everything. Instance instance instance. People often just want some progression treadmill to work towards something, something to spend their free time or unemployment getting that "fulfillment" of accomplishment, something FFXIV completely doesnt have anymore. Even if its something like mounts or glam, savage criterion had like none of it.

[@DevvuInTheDetails]

I hate raiding, but enjoyed making raider gear and buffs/drinks to sell. Nowadays there's so many bot programs flooding the marketboard that there's no point.

[@soldierorsomething]

Bozja is a slow burner for me, since i usually only go there to do the challenge log with a few bozja veterans to quickly level up, but those veterans also know all the tricks in the zone and will eagerly help you and others if you need a revive, so there definetly is something about bozja players that is special 😂

[@javi7636]

If I could only wish for one thing, it's for the FATE mechanics to be reworked into a core part of gameplay. Why? Because they could absolutely turn them into a "field exploration" system that is always available, and that gives people a reason to spend time in MSQ zones long after an expansion's release. And since they aren't instanced, it would be fully accessible to casual players. Basically, they need to copy Guild Wars 2's open world event system--events that all tell a story about the zone you're in, that feel rewarding to complete, and that push you to explore the rest of the zone. And that scale well with large groups of players doing them together. FF14 already has many of these elements, but the current FATE system is boring as hell AND the exp rewards are a joke. They've put tons of collectible rewards (mounts, etc) purchasable with bicolor gems, so they clearly like using it to pad out patch content. All that's missing is for the grind to actually be fun.

[@VashimuXIV]

I don’t think it’s an invalid or “doomer” to discuss the want for a revitalized feeling of XIV as an MMO. As a player that started back in 6.1 going into 6.2, I never really experimented much with content besides doing the main story, but when I started to branch out a bit more and to see what the optional content was like, not just the raids, it opened my eyes to how fun it can be to do massive exploration zones, and working towards shared goals. I don’t believe myself to be the most knowledgeable on the topic of what’s best for XIV, but the sentiment I feel isn’t one of contempt or indifference, more that of being a bit disappointed and praying it gets better - which let’s hope things will. I’m still someone that enjoys playing XIV on the regular, even when I take small breaks to play other games, and I’m still hopeful for the future of the game because I want to do well and I want people to be excited for it so I think people’s patience will be rewarded sooner than later, but I don’t blame anyone feeling like the game is in a steep decline due to the stagnation of the cycles between patches and the content provided. I see myself still being around, even after Dawn finishes properly, and I think it’ll be worth the wait, but that’s just my opinion.

[@Ander_s000n]

With DT i started playing the game like any other solo game, since i also dont have an fc, it feels extra like it. But now i even stopped playing at all, i didnt even felt interested in the new patch. It makes me sad, because i really like ffxiv.

[@ButternutTrucker]

They need to start falling off of instanced dungeons in my opinion. FFXI and RS do this well, where it makes it feel like an MMO, you always see the community around the game's world.