FFXIV Lore- Understanding Primals

Primals and summoning have been a part of our Star's history longer than most things. Get a better understand of what makes them and why they're so dangerous!
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Encyclopedia Eorzea Volume I
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[@KuariThunderclaw]

Kind of interested in Ramuh now because he seems to break some of the rules of Primals slightly in how he behaves. Not entirely but there seems to be a little more reason in his behavior.

[@SynodicScribe]

It's because the peace loving Sylphs imagined him to be reasonable on some level. But we can't forget, until Ramuh saw the lightning crystal the Sylphs gave us he was totally read to smite us without a second thought!

[@astrealbrizbee9815]

@@SynodicScribe Or the fact that two of the most powerful of Primals are also following those same rules as Ramuh in that they were created for very specific purposes and thus their "Intelligence" is just the will of someone else or a remainder of the hosts will.

[@granmastersword]

@@SynodicScribe that's understandable. The Sylphs summoned him to specifically defend them and their home against threats such as the Garleans. Because of that Ramuh is only interested in staying at his area and protect his tempered Sylphs, having no desire to expand and conquer like Titan, Ifrit and Garuda

[@Sacrengard]

But are they tempered?

[@gratuitouslurking8610]

Alexander is a similar case, tbh. Both primals do seem to have wisdom beyond their needs for worshipers and sustenance, though Ramuh is still more than happy to doom anyone who threatens the Sylphlands, whereas Alexander realized his power was TOO great to allow himself to exist.

[@cerul]

A video about the band, nice! Another nice lecture, Professor!

[@ubaha_]

Man these are always good to hear in the background

[@DCJMS]

if Hydaelyn is alive without feeding from the world's aether could the other Primals have an existence independent of summoners?

[@SynodicScribe]

The circumstances of her summoning and the summoning of Zoidark are unique. As far as we know the price for their existence is already paid. But we may learn more in Endwalker!

[@andrewsallee]

Favorite Primal is by far Alexander, cause what he does in his story.

[@ryantognerilaiber]

your channel is my favorite!!

[@Arbitertaco]

Oh...well if zodiark lost his heart...and it was the guiding hand.....oh....oh shit.....

[@Tom-Pendragon]

Keep posting these video and I will keep liking them and commenting on them.

[@SynodicScribe]

Appreciated! Every bit helps.

[@mikoto7693]

So do I when I can.

[@MalicSoulstorm]

Would love some in depth research into voidsent

[@SynodicScribe]

You got it!

[@MalicSoulstorm]

@@SynodicScribe Well more like Void Magic, how it works and the voidsent. Totally not asking for a Black Mage friend... >_>

[@chaisensei]

do you have Ivalice's lore? I think that lore is interesting, especially the boss' of oborne monastery. The sacrifice they made to guard the dungeon until WOL came to end the boss at the deep end of the dungeon. Only then can they finally rest.

[@SynodicScribe]

honestly I could prolly make an entire video on the auracite they used. lol

[@chaisensei]

@@SynodicScribe go for it. I will not hold it against you 😁

[@astrealbrizbee9815]

@@SynodicScribe How about the disturbing fact that the Lucavi/Espers are former Warriors of Light that got corrupted through the use of faulty auracite, which ended up creating the hierarchy of voidsent. So Diabolos, Cloud of Darkness, etc were once heroes turned villains.

[@TheShadowfan9000]

WHAt. FURNISHING. IS. THAT... BOOK.... O.O I need it immediately.

[@SynodicScribe]

The Necrologos Transcription, drops from the Great Gubal Library (Hard). Carried it home on one of my many journeys to the library.

[@TheShadowfan9000]

@@SynodicScribe oh my lord I've never seen it drop once in all my runs. Welp, I know where I'm going to be XD

[@thegneech]

So here's a thing I wonder about primals: are they unique entities? e.g., if a group of kobolds in Eorzea summon Titan, and a group of different kobolds in, e.g., Mericydia, also summon Titan, does Titan show up in both places? Are they two different Titans?

[@uriel9777]

How did the beast tribes survive all the calamities anyway? that's what i would like to know xD

[@ubaha_]

As a sidenote some poeple may welcome knowing which expansions the video has spoilers of, you could put them in the same spoiler warning intro

[@SynodicScribe]

I do that with some of my prior videos. But Primals are a topic that's covered in the entirety of the game. No way to talk about them without spoils SOMETHING. xD

[@yuyutaizezetai7079]

Weren't primals sealed in silvertear lake or something? When midgardsormr brought down the massive airship you see dozens of primals fly out of the explosion as they hit the lake.

[@SynodicScribe]

Yes and no. It's assumed Hydaelyn trapped them kinda like how the Allagans trapped the Warring Triad. But there are some story beats that have been retconned. Originally the primals were supposed to have their own backstories and reasons for being evil entities. But NONE of that has been addressed or added in the game or within their publications. If these things are ever talked about in game or in their books you KNOW I'll be talking about it.

[@yuyutaizezetai7079]

@@SynodicScribe I thought that played into why like to kobold were pushed so far by limsa. For a long period they had lost/forgotten the ability to summon titan because of the seal. But after that battle the ascians moved in like poke poke nudge nudge remember your heritage. And they summoned titan to start fighting back. Then the company of heroes got involved. Or is it that they had never relied upon titan before ascians got involved?

[@yuyutaizezetai7079]

@@SynodicScribe I've recently started an alt so I can dive deep in the lore. Trying to make sure I find as many optional dialogues as well. I'm sure I'm still missing some though even now. There is just soo damn much to learn about this world and it's inhabitants. Lol. Don't have any of the books to supplement though. x.x And missing alot of 1.0 context

[@SynodicScribe]

@@yuyutaizezetai7079 Honestly that's why I'm trying to keep it simple. I'm avoiding 1.0 as best I can cause that was a different team of writers entirely. Everything I address in all my videos can be traced back to in game dialogue and their books, so if there's an inconsistency on my end, I'm sorry. But I'm only working with what I've been given, and nothing more.

[@yuyutaizezetai7079]

@@SynodicScribe Ah no worries. I'm not trying to be a "well actually..." Just want to talk about lore stuff lol. That scene particularly just stuck in my mind and wondered how it tied in to overall story, and my assumptions on such. Similar to my conjecture in the lala video. I just have lots of guesses and stuff.

[@elgatochurro]

It'd be great if you listed WHAT this will spoil, like up to shadow bringers or such

[@twibz4629]

(Spoilers for endwalker and pandaemonium) / / / / / / / / With endwalker and pandaemonium going into the concept of creation magics and summoning, im curious on what the true difference is. Currently the main thing i see is that primals constantly drain aether unless dispersed, tempering (though that i am unsure about as Venat did state that a process similar to tempering existed in the old days) and thats it.

[@granmastersword]

There's a bit more explanation given by the Loporrits when we were traveling inside Ragnarok. You can view the two methods like instructions/blueprints to summon entities. The summoning ritual is a specific set of instructions or a well defined skeleton that allows for the summoning of entities through religious like fervor, with the caveat that they possesses the power of tempering and are constantly draining aether to sustain themselves. When the Loporits assisted in their summoning, their designs no longer possess the tempering power and they now have a finite amount of aether to exist with

[@Sacrengard]

If normal primals have specific elements then in which category would Titania, Ravana, Bismark, Susanoo, Lakshmi, Magus Sisters, and King Moogle Mog would fall on? Is King Moogle Mog an elder primal btw? What about Anima? that one is like Shiva and Thordan but not by his own free will, more like his dead body was used for it, and he can temper people as well.

[@n-aera]

Well it's obvious really, Titania is light, Ravana fire, Bismarck water, susanoo lightning, Lakshmi light, Good King Moogle Mog and Magus sisters are a weird case, might be light like thordan, they also have similar concepts, Anima is definitely Darkness

[@Sacrengard]

@@n-aera how is it obvious that Ravana is fire? Bismark is not so obvious... is not just water, there is wind there too, same as Susanoo, is water and lightning, not specifically one at all. Titania isnt that obvious either, there is light and trees. Lakshmi might be just light and Anima dark, a bit obvious yeah... the problem is that light and dark are not part of the 6 elements cycle specifically. The elements are Fire, Water, Ice, Wind, Earth, and Lightning.

[@n-aera]

@@Sacrengard you might be over complicating things, now that i think about it, Titania isn't a primal, but yeah there are dark and light aspected primal, and thinking even MORE, there's no rule said that they HAVE to be an element, look at Bahamut for example, what is his element? there's a chance a primal can wield more than one element

[@Sacrengard]

@@n-aera Bahamut and Odin are elder primals. I havent seen the video again but what was Alexander? Like I said, he stated in the video that normal primals have specific elements, thats why I asked the question. Unless those I mentioned are not "normal" like Titania as you said, which is not even a primal. And yeah maybe he wasnt right about it and they dont have a specific element, maybe some have more than one. Magus Sisters and Moogle Mog are still a mistery tho heheh... Wait King Moogle Mog could be an elder primal? I think we dont have enough info about Magus Sisters compared to the other primals to say they are "normal" do we? Im oblivious to that

[@n-aera]

@@Sacrengard no, we actually see when they are being summoned, magus sisters will exist on the gray area for a while

[@TheComradeuri]

Why isn’t there a like all video button!? Why?!

[@JohnDCrafton]

The Burn had nothing to do with primals. That story was made up by Garlemald as an excuse to wage war on the "savage" peoples. More like it was created by the Allagans, in some experiment similar to what would have happened when they ripped Azys Lla off of the surface. There is even a main story quest where Y'Shtola disables a device that was restricting the flow of aether to the Burn. (I think it was even stated somewhere, that IS where Azys Lla came from)

[@SynodicScribe]

Then it's simply another continuity error. I.E. Data is contradicting itself. Unfortunately I've more than one source saying Primals were the cause, so I have to go with that. If I use one line of dialogue from Y'shtola against all that then other people would get on my case too. The writers for FFXIV aren't perfect and neither am I.

[@JohnDCrafton]

@@SynodicScribe Funny thing, that. Check your sources. Not a one of them (except for the in game duty finder) claims that primals were directly responsible. Rather, what you'll find is the Garleans claiming primals were responsible. Specifically, when they were marching on Othard, they happened across the Burn, and Solus said "this was caused by primals". Though he would have called them eikons.

[@SynodicScribe]

@@JohnDCrafton Encyclopedia Eorzea Volume II, Page 008.

[@JohnDCrafton]

@@SynodicScribe What about it?

[@JohnDCrafton]

@@SynodicScribe I do not currently have access to the book, so unless you provide a direct quote, I have no way to know what's written there. But here is something for you to consider. We often think of encyclopedias as infallible reference material. In truth, they are written by people who live in the world they are writing about, people who do not have perfect knowledge of the world. Encyclopaedia Eorzea was written from that perspective as well. So, unless the book tells us specifically what was summoned, who did the summoning, and what were the circumstances, all we have to support the primal theory is Solus' claim.

[@xeczee4810]

nice

[@HikingFeral]

iv'e returned to the game after a few months away and been watching your videos pretty much all day. This game has such great lore and it makes sense from lvl 1 to lvl 90 unlike Wow. I used to love Wow's lore but as we all know, that's a whole other shit show of a story these days.

[@SynodicScribe]

I'm glad that I've been of some help!

[@lilyabrams3547]

Is the effect of primals on the land comparable to the cause of the 6th calamity, where overuse of magic drained all but water-aspected aether? Please don't spoil beyond heavensward in responses

[@SynodicScribe]

Yes, excessive use of aether in any form destabilizes the land. Which is why primals need to be put down and why certain magic schools are considered taboo.

[@Sol-js9yc]

Spoilers: what about eden primals that are summoned by the WoL

[@ahorseofcourse7283]

They have a disturbing tendency to manifest sick as hell kart-racing skills and J-Pop.

[@granmastersword]

Those were primarily created through Eden's particular creation methods, likely the OG creation magick since Eden was born from an Ascian's body. And their sole purpose was to represent an aspect of aether to help balance the Empty's aetheric balance upon defeating them, using the WoL's experiences against existing primals to give them shape