[FFXIV] The 1.0 Allagan Empire | RoaR

It's here! In this episode of RoaR we look closer at the Allagan Empire from Final Fantasy XIV 1.0! Was Xande a thing in 1.0? Did Crystal Tower exist back then? Did we use tomestones for endgame content? These questions and more will be answered in this episode of Remnants of a Realm! Hope you enjoy!
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[@PrinceBrightstar]

To think Bozja was mentioned all the way back in 1.0 and now it's tied to the resistance weapon.

[@PopatoGames]

Xandes Tomb was one of the many mysterious places in 1.0 hidden away behind high level mobs that you could sneak past. It was always there, just repurposed for later storylines. I remember doing a world tour with my friend and this cave was one of the most memorable.

[@dell8225]

I don't know if y'all are even planning on continuing this series, but as someone who started XIV extremely late (5.0) I really love this series. The narration is fantastic and I really love being able to see what the game was, hear of the almost lost lore. I'm not sure if there is anything else to do with this series, but I'd be thrilled to see Gelmorra explored or anything else from 1.0 days.

[@Ephremjlm1]

I had to come back to this video now that we are on the horizon of 6.0 which is the supposed conclusion to the current story. I say supposed for a couple reasons. 1) Shadowbringers saw the usage of older assets and ideas such as those seen in project rapture, and the original trailer for 1.0. That plus the announcement of sharlayan where Yoshi P revealed that they are now concluding on the original idea to have all of the main cities that were planned in 1.0, that being limsa, gridania, uldah, ishgard, alamigo, and now sharlayan. We also saw over the weekends fanfest that they plan on incorporating the twelve. This is super interesting since we really haven't heard much about them since the calamity. 2) With the usage of older assets, and the confirmation that we are roughly following some of the plot points and ideas left behind from the original 1.0 team, I think things like "Xandes Tomb", "Gelmorra", and (unless taken care of in 6.0) the twelve, and the primals. It seems like we cant REALLY get rid of them. Or can we? We see all of the primals shooting out of the aether in the 1.0 cinematic. If the 6.0 story is going to wrap up the current bid deal plot points, then maybe the smaller stories that Yoshi P said he planned on telling afterwards will be those that never saw fruition in the past. Maybe he needed all of the city states and previous plot points properly elaborated on before those other ones could properly make sense. Im not sure if anyone will see this since the video is a couple years old now, but if you have any input on what you think I'd be glad to discuss.

[@Metis1337]

>confirmation that we are roughly following some of the plot points and ideas left behind from the original 1.0 team Must be massively "rough" cause that looked - nothing - like how 1.0 felt in story or in direction.

[@Ephremjlm1]

@@Metis1337 Yeah they tip toed around certain things, that Yoshi P, kinda hyped up more, but if you noticed the stuff on the map on the walls in sharlyan then you probably saw some of the older map content stuff on there and not to spoil but they do make mention of potential places we will go later. They technically wrapped everything up though except the "Twelve" stuff, which is barley anything anyways as of now.

[@XxxSp3kTr4xxX]

that presence under the lake could really get involved with 5.x's storyline

[@Chihiro-Kikuchi]

SP3KTR4 they've implied as much as they keep bringing up silver tear and it's mirror "the source"

[@elizawulf8180]

​@@Chihiro-Kikuchi An Aynder underneath Silvertear. Seeing as how we have a City, a University, and a Library, maybe a lost containment area, repurposed with Allagan research surrounding it. (Maybe as a conclusion to a Garlemald-Allagan-Ascian raid)

[@MrRaijuu]

Might be the Zodiark himself. Cos in the void his figure stands on something that looks like top down Crystal tower.

[@willm3856]

A shame this never got resolved yet..

[@XxxSp3kTr4xxX]

@@willm3856 maybe the alliance raid series will delve into that!

[@captainkronos]

"How hot was G'raha in 1.0?" People asking the *really* important questions. :D Except there were no cat boys in 1.0, sadly.

[@Bongaboi151]

or Male Viera.

[@petrus9067]

@@Bongaboi151 now there is

[@annne023]

The Presence reminds me of the "sound" the Aumaurotians felt in the core of their planet. Hmmm....

[@Waverse]

Good thinking

[@Shadethewolfy]

Same sound heard at the end of the latest MSQ?

[@Avalon304]

I really hope this series continues one day, along with Secrets of a Realm and Chronicles of a Realm

[@its-_-foxgrrr6041]

Me too. Ehem hint hint

[@SubduedRadical]

Me too!

[@MJG206]

Same!

[@hosheep]

And we patiently await the day that Middy wakes up from his nap thanks to Omega so we can have story time, cause BOI THE WOL GOT QUESTIONS.

[@Sllandre]

I'm hoping that Onega gets a proper body back at some point as well. Imagine a civilized conversation between the two of them, with Omega on our side!

[@ArmageddonEvil]

I feel like since we got many answers in all the expansions, I feel like it's time for the Myth of the Realm, Alliance Raid to finally answer all our burning questions. XD

[@DanielSantosAnalysis]

Bring this series baaaaaaaaaaack.

[@JJA8020]

That Allagan Empire AKA what if Professor Hojo was an entire civilization

[@SubduedRadical]

So when's this series continuing? Or the Fall and Rise? Or the secrets series? They're all amazing and great, with both interesting content and high production quality, and I love them so much. I know they must take a lot of effort, but they've gotten me to realize how deep the lore is in the game as well as the meta-history of the game itself irl, it's just fascinating what all was going on that I was unaware of at the time.

[@sagewaterdragon]

It's the way that most online things seem to go these days, people realize how much less work it takes to make a podcast that gets higher engagement than high-effort videos + podcasts are intuitive to monetize on Patreon. These videos really are the best XIV content online and it's a shame that they're done.

[@KnightRaymund]

Cid looks so much better with the beard.

[@turntapeover5749]

Emet-Selch: Yeah, Solus? It's me. Garlemald, great empire right? All me. Also Emet-Selch: Oh and you know Allag? Also me. Got bored one day set it on fire, watched it burn. Nero: I still think we should have called it Rome.

[@Bongaboi151]

You forgot your fiddle, Nero.

[@bakubread9308]

Fun fact, Nero didn't play the fiddle, he played the Lyre.

[@SampoPaalanen]

One rather obvious solution for the mystery in the end of the video is that the faith of the Twelve survived among the lower classes (and/)or frontiers of the Allagan empire and it would also explain why the runestones would be the first items of Allag to be discovered in "modern" times as they would been in more remote places while core region(s) of the Allagan empire seemed to cloak itself from discovery pre-shattering.

[@lyntoamariyo]

And I think the lore of the tower was that when they tried channeling power down from Dalamud, it caused a massive earthquake (coinciding at a rejoining and thus a calamity), causing the tower to sink into the ground, but Amon froze the tower and it's occupants in time until a day when they could restore the Emperor. Some time after the Calamity at Carteneau, the tower somehow rose back from the ground. I think I'll see if I can find citations for this.

[@IqbalIko]

I think the source of this information is in the Encylopedia Eorzea

[@i.147]

Pretty sure its also explained in the game as well during the Crystal Tower quests.

[@IrideaeSnowbloom]

@@i.147 I seem to remember this, yes

[@PubstarHero]

> 20 minutes left at work > Speakers Network releases 20 minute video. Perfect.

[@BenWillock]

Everything went according to keikaku

[@Parugraph]

I love Allagan lore there is so much of them still out there

[@SubduedRadical]

Hello from 6.1, June 2022! Myths of the Realm 24 man has released. There's a secret ABOVE Silvertear...whether or not one exists BELOW, we have yet to see... And still hoping this series continues someday...

[@BenWillock]

Brain: "Did somebody say Civilizations?" Me: "Wait... no!" Brain: "LA HEEE!"

[@1jidion]

bozja citadel was mentioned all the way back in 1.0, thats what the gunbreaker story talks about with the hrothgar

[@Py687]

And even becoming relevant now with the ShB relic line.

[@Evnyofdeath]

Its always been mentioned in passing in regards to Meteor since that was where they first tested it

[@bunnylatte1272]

Happy you're doing these! Great video :D

[@Taikomo]

A really great and interesting episode. Keep up the good work!

[@frogradar]

"we're talking before Loiusoix came in and defaced it with his graffiti" :') fucking Loiusioix

[@SamuraiCypher]

Nice. A new RoaR to accompany my work day. 😎

[@eji]

19:49 Xande's Tomb / Cave was definitely in pre-ARR 1.0, but perhaps was patched in when they started doing all the Dalamud stuff? Looks like I can't post a link without getting my youtube comment deleted, but there's an older post on the official forums with photos of that Tomb, where the person who posted them said it was "one of the twelve stone locations for the 'Living On a Prayer Quest' where we had to make a pilgrimage to all 12 stones and 'pray' to the Twelve for strength to stop the incoming Dalamud" It was apparently located in Mor Dhona.

[@TheXehanortzero]

Xande's tomb was there since the launch of 1.0. It gained importance after some punk vandalized it by carving Thaliak's sigil on it. When the sigil was added for the "Living in a prayer" quest, they changed the name to "Crystal Shrine" if memory serves, but before that the same monument was there minus the sigil and the ethereal glow on the central crystal. I visited the tomb before it was changed a few times on my Dragoon, I was fascinated by it, to this day I still boot up 1.0 to visit the old maps and the tomb is still one of my favorite places to go.

[@sirflimflam]

Man I really miss this series! I have long chronicled the few things I remembered in my very miniscule time in 1.0, and have had a lot of fun literally watching each and every one of these. So many things I never got to see, and to see how they adapted the world as best they could trying to outright retcon land as little as possible was pretty great. I doubt there will ever be a story-based rebirth in an MMO like ARR.

[@InfinitePineapple69]

I honestly never went to that side of the Mor Dhona map during the original launch of 1.0. But, The Tomb of Xandes was there when the job system launched cause I remember coming upon it when exploring the zone on my Monk. So, maybe it was patched in? I am not sure. I just remember that on 1.0 launch that area being filled with many 70+ monsters to prevent people from exploring over there.

[@Lilly_Belle]

I don't wanna wait months for another episode!! WAH.

[@xanderprime9737]

All paths lead to Meracydia

[@PregnantOrc]

Bahamut, not only sundering worlds but names as well

[@JustJohn816]

WHOOOOOOOOA Bozja was mentioned even all the way back here????

[@danirusso469]

Poor poor Gelmorra...

[@seankkg]

Seeing Bozja Citadel in the Cid cutscene makes my brain light up.

[@message3381]

Yes...more like this please. More 1.0 leading up to 2.0

[@samanthalowehart6929]

I get the feeling that the Crystal Tower wasn't meant to be a tower at all. Given the cutscene mentioned with the beasties and the light in it, the thing beneath, focus on the moon... Coupled with the fact that the crystal looks shockingly like Aetheryte... I get the feeling that at one point you were going to go to the moon. In many FF games the moon plays a part - it's usually full of monsters or houses some big bad and you need some ancient technology of some sort to get there. Imagine what is now the crystal tower was just a big transporter that could suck up or deposit things between Eorzea and the moon. I mean technically they're still using that kind of plot given Zodiark is most likely imprisoned within the remaining moon. FF loves its moon lore. Worth a thought?

[@twilightpixel]

Samantha Lowehart - I mean, yeah, the moon's probably gonna play a part somehow seeing as the Ascians really like going there. Or, well, at least that one guy does.

[@beetlehorn]

A moon expansion is all i need. A space version of Bismuth or some other Cosmic Whale flying the scions there would be perfect. And some gear is already pretty sci-fi so itd be fun to double down on that for one expansion.

[@Fast_DL]

you've spoiled Endwalker 😀

[@burtwonk]

Also I have really enjoyed your videos and would love it if you did more lore videos. Thanks for the great content.

[@kadenhazami9644]

THe fact that in this CS, Bozja Citadel is mentioned and now we're doing it in 5.0 is pretty awesome actually.

[@vihannes3]

Well after the release of the Aglaia raid, I guess we got our answer for what "presence" lies at the Silvertear Lake

[@TheBonkleFox]

Well, the Omphalos is above silvertear, not below it. we don't have any questions answered.

[@Heymrk]

@@TheBonkleFox The Omphalos is in a pocket dimension. It's not above or below but resides in the same aethereal space as Silvertear Lake.

[@Nanashinoshi]

7:07 That helmet....is SO badass now. I love it. Its my whole persona now! XD

[@ScarletStarManor]

Ah, so that's where Bismark came from. 5.0 makes so much sense now.

[@srnigromante9214]

"Are you as untraveled as you are unread?" Hey, rude.

[@the_exegete]

I'm watching this about 5 minutes before Endwalker is supposed to launch (for early access). I'm fascinated by the mention that Menphina's sigil on the Allagan runestone features two moons despite the fact that the Allagans created one of those moons. Now here we are, about to travel to the larger moon. And the god they chose for the XP earring for this expansion was Menphina. Something tells me this tiny detail has been bugging the writers, including Koji Fox, since way back in 2.0, and we're about to be introduced to another moon of the larger moon, one connected to the Ascians. 2 minutes left to launch now. We're about to find out!

[@the_exegete]

Update: that didn't happen. Was a great story anyway!

[@titaniumvulpes]

So looking back now from 2024 at the end of 6.x, the "presence" in Silvertear was certainly the Omphalos, yes?

[@steweygrrr]

So as of 5.4, well to be honest since the conclusion of the Crystal Tower raid storyline, that presence is still there given Nero's device picking something up in the depths of the pit containing the Crystal Tower prior to its reawakening. What it is though is still up for debate. Is it Zodiark? Is it Hydaelyn? Is it the soul of the world itself? I'd love to find out if I'm being honest.

[@Nirual86]

did 1.0 have any similar hints about Amdapor, Mhachi and Nym?

[@Jing48]

Keeper of the Lake (Hard) when?

[@KnivesMcBride]

I guess I just didn't give any thought to the idea of it being called "Xandes Tomb" because there were literally two Xandes in the plotline, atleast since ARR expounded on the Crystal Tower storyline. You've got the first Xande who made Allag the great nation it was, and then you have Amon's Xande clone whose work culminated with Dalamud. Though it's not common knowledge in Eorzea that Xande the Second was a clone, history does show that there were atleast two, and so I just imagined that the cave's name had something to do with that.

[@maj0ga.]

At the end of CT doesn't Nero still detect a presence below on his scanner before tossing it into the abyss? I always thought that this could be reference to Omega, which could be another reason why Midgarsomr came to Silvertear's defense to make sure Omega would remain untouched? That's the way I currently see it with what we got, however something always weighed heavy in my gut telling me that Hydaelyn is down there. Either we'll never know or perhaps soon find out at the end of this expansion's arc.

[@ajayrious]

Omega was buried under Cartenau and we already knew that before Nero tossed the device in there, so its unlikely he was detecting Omega. I'm sure they probably now would link it with the device we used to get to the First in ShB, though of course that wasnt conceived back then. Originally it was probably meant to be a reference to Eureka, which was beneath Crystal Tower in Final Fantasy 3.

[@Shiirow]

I love that little note there, after he abandons his little meter device, and tosses it into the abyss under the tower... you hear the faint beeping as it detects something. I always had a feeling _something_ would come of it at a later point. Even the most simplistic tease ends up being a thing down the road, even if it takes two expansions.

[@i.147]

Dont forget that the REAL Eureka is supposed to be beneath the Crystal Tower (at least that's what G'raha thought). The "Eureka" we visit is actually the Isle of Val. During the Eureka questline, Krile recalls a discussion between G'raha, Galuf and other Baldesion founders that she overheard : it was about Eureka and the Crystal Tower, it seemed Galuf and the founders knew something about it but kept it secret, leaving G'raha confused if he had said something wrong. The real Eureka was never found, and its supposed to hide Allag's most powerful weapon (implying that Ultima, despite being powered with the Heart of Sabik, wasn't their strongest one...). It cannot be Omega since not only it wasnt an Allagan creation, it was also buried in Carteneau. This new weapon could very well be the presence. Im also hoping that it's the reason why we didnt get a re-arrangement of the FF3 Eureka theme, and that they were actually keeping it for later :)

[@ajayrious]

I could be wrong but im pretty sure what "Eureka" is was confirmed at the end of the Isle of Val storyline. Don't wanna give spoilers here (though its not like you can really do it in game anymore).

[@rileyboy10]

I think you're right about Hydaelyn being down there, at the very least her physical form. We know from the 3.0 story, Hydaelyn resides in the atherial sea, which we use the Anti-tower in order to access. But I think its more so that her consciousness resides in the atherial sea, as it's basically the lifestream of ff14. We're pretty damn certain now that Zodiark's husk of a body is sealed within the moon and in fact that scene in 3.0 where we vist the atherial sea to talk with Minfilia/Hydaelyn, she notes herself that she sealed him "moon bound". The fact Midgarsomr was guarding silvertear is a huge sign of something important being there, I know in 1.0 its heavily implied it was because Eikons were essentially trapped within it but I feel like there was more meaning than just that. We know when Midgarsomr came to the planet he made a deal with Hydaelyn to protect her, and since 1.0 to current its been mentioned by the dev team and even mentioned by NPC's in game that theres something below silvertear still. I think we're close to getting answers in 5.55 and 6.0. Silvertear has also been mentioned many times over to be the fount of boundless aetheric energy, so It's also likely it could be connected to the Atherial sea much like the Anti-tower was. Or that because Hydaelyn's physical form is sealed beneath it, and that is why Aether is so strongly tied to it. Lots of questions, fingers crossed we finally get answers soon.

[@Hyskaris]

Throw wide the gates to knowledge.

[@tfangel]

Damn it Koji!

[@zombiethinking]

So another connection to the newest raid series…

[@Bongaboi151]

20:30, hey my mc's guardian is Menphina! Glad she made the right choice.

[@matou___]

Watching this post-Endwalker. I guess we now know that the mysterious "presence" in Silvertear was referring to (or repurposed as) the dimension of the Twelve?

[@dragonitejc]

Yes. Hydaelyn's stipulation for midgardsormr remaining on the star was that he guard the entrance to the phantom realm where the 12 lived

[@Kasilyn_S]

Midgars ORMR thanks for this video!

[@RubsBluestrong]

so the onion helm is the same helm that luneth uses in ff3, so ff3 WOLs are allagan?

[@kaitoudark1]

That s the... "Allegation". Heh.

[@FirestreakRodimusPr]

It seems the original lore plan was fill in the here and now and leave the big picture stuff as vague as possible for further exploration. Yoshi deciding to focus on bringing in some hard background, in particular the Ascians, changed that.

[@power_SERG]

Where the Ascians even mentioned at all before 2.0?

[@archaeopteryks]

@@power_SERG yes, they even appeared in their true form in MSQ CSes

[@CipherXIV]

Why I feel like 1.0 world was rich of lore and hidden stuff more than now ???

[@armandozertuche4054]

I just miss the open world feel of map zones... tons of stuff to explore.

[@spectacledWolf]

@@armandozertuche4054 there really wasn't

[@archaeopteryks]

it was a huge, mostly barren, mundane world, which meant that the few items/places of interest seemed REALLY significant. It's actually a neat trick, when used sparingly.

[@SumeaBizarro]

"i played XIV on and off for 7 years and I still do not know the fuck's allagan I finally learn"

[@kaleajadesilver8918]

Hmmmms mounts/minions?? I've spent a few days to a week watching all these...... Time to check out stuffs.

[@mesiagamer5217]

Honestly Gelmora might come back as another side of things in the next chapter off ffXIV story

[@onadaTotihotiH]

You sort of glossed over them, but what exactly is the lore with tomestones? I’d love to see you talk about them.

[@heavylancer6720]

From what I know, they are basically devices similiar to solid state drives, used to store information. The Allagans had all sorts of information and secrets stored onto these drives, a veritable truckload, like battle tactics, mythology, demonology, the fantastic, truths, untruths, creation, lore and much more. They are exchanged as currency so that organizations such as Garlond Ironworks and weaponsmoths like Rowena can make use of the vast amount knowledge stored within. Rarer tomestones justify stronger and rarer gear or materials as a reward.

[@josephmahar8809]

Tomestones are small pieces of Allagan technology that contain massive amounts of data on them. Because the Allagan Empire was so sprawling (at its peak before it became stagnant and decadent) it's the reason why you can get them for doing activities and old dungeons. Tomestones are found by adventurers in Eorzea, who then turn them into places like Rowena's who in turn sells them to collectors. My personal theory is, because there's so many, and have so much info, the content inside each tomestone varies in "worth", which is why some tomestones give end-game gear, and others become obsolete. In essence, tomestones are basically the equivalent of portable hard drives or flash drives. If we today were to have our own Calamity, the survivors would find old records of us. Because the technology is so wide-spread, people would find mundane/trivial info (music, fiction, porn, etc.) and valuable info (historical records, art, porn, etc) which would make some worth more than others.

[@the_exegete]

@@josephmahar8809 Very persuasive. Now try to explain why Allagan tomestones are found in Amaurot dungeons.

[@josephmahar8809]

@@the_exegete Emet-Selch knew that if he put them there, we'd keep coming back after the initial run.

[@the_exegete]

@@josephmahar8809 I knew he was on our side.

[@rickydargence5948]

13:35 is that supposed to be "Meteion"?

[@reavervolfeed5454]

it almost feels like the next expansion will finally pick up bits and pieces of the 1.0 story and continue it or at least finish it

[@petrus9067]

I really hope they mention the presence beneath the lake but it's a bit unlikely tbh

[@reavervolfeed5454]

@@petrus9067 they kinda did at the end of last patch with the appearance of Venat or who we think is Venat

[@petrus9067]

@@reavervolfeed5454 oh true i forgot we met her in mor dhona xd

[@reavervolfeed5454]

@@petrus9067 ya and thats one of the many reasons why I'm sooo looking forward to endwalker

[@evilplushiex]

14:00 the End of the Walker's path, huh.

[@semekiizuio]

That explains why Gaius in Prae talks about Cids father in that 2nd cutscene. An Easter egg for 1.0 ppl and just more info for none 1.0 ers

[@Bongaboi151]

Mention of Bozja...a 5.2. reference!

[@srnigromante9214]

So Amdapor, Nym and Mhach are a 2.0 thing?

[@handel2502]

Well considering that Midgardsomr is tied to Hydaelyn, that "presence" could be easily retconned into her. Also religion isn't easy to get rid of. Worship likely still happened among the masses. Remember that the Allagan Empire was revealed to be another project orchestrated by Emet-Selch. It's likely he did the same tricks with banning religious motifs as he did in Garlemald.

[@Kageryushin]

I think the presence had to be Omega.

[@ruadeil_zabelin]

..wait.. RAID dungeon Aurum Vale?

[@burtwonk]

Now that the [redacted] arc has ended, I wonder if we will be starting the Allagan arc :D

[@morganblackpowder1724]

You may hate that helm, but it's cute as heck on us lalas :P

[@SamuraiCypher]

T o m e s t o n e s

[@papasfritas3853]

I wish i could have played 1.0 ☹ I dont care if it sucked balls..

[@power_SERG]

I want it's visual. Those scenes looked amazing.

[@FlyingDwarfzz]

"This is a draft, certain elements in this video might be improved, changed, or removed before public release." Um?

[@Sllandre]

I think that was for whatever the video was showing when it came out. So that was on the footage there, not added by Lukile or whoever does the editing.

[@hazardyoutube1121]

Have they been to the moon?

[@SorasShadow1]

...Cid without facial hair is weird and wrong

[@lhwweiss]

What happened to this series?

[@presmadagascar]

I don't care if Midgards Ormr is correct, my ears are bleeding.

[@DirEnGay]

1.0 looked like a hot mess but those motion capture cutscenes are so much better than the Garry's Mod bullshit that came with ARR and is still used to this day. Every emotion in scenes looks like somebody dragged and dropped parts of peoples face like in the opening of Mario 64.

[@cstaie85]

also, the texturing of the WHM robes. I hope we can get back to that level of detail in the game and back to the physics the game once had, even if only outside combat as I can tell they would hinder us in certain fights.