FGC Esports And Riot Games

[@p0ssumclaws]

this truly is a mcdonalds 20 chicken nugget comeback

[@Chenotcheese]

Had 20 chicken nuggets yesterday.

[@Wiziliz]

Favourite part of the video, haha.

[@stevencisneros9306]

Now ya starting to make hungry lol

[@ramiabdalla2661]

I'm so glad someone finally talked about how different FGC competition feels from more well-known e-sports. I've been looking for a way to explain why I think the FGC has so much more life in it without looking like an ignorant fanboy lmao. I'm very glad I'm not the only one who felt this way. Well said, Gekko. Let's go FGC ✊

[@egekazkayas8968]

Honestly the FGC to me feels like a bunch of barbarians trash talking each other. I hope Riot cleans it up.

[@ramiabdalla2661]

@@egekazkayas8968 to me, that's what makes it special :)

[@Junya01]

@@ramiabdalla2661 that's what make it stinky and smell like B.O., but yes also special

[@zackrose6261]

@@ramiabdalla2661 Thats also what makes it so pros in the FGC can't just live off of prize money. Especially when they retire.

[@HazeEmry]

As someone who has competed in dota tourneys (local scenes and casual worldwide tourneys) it really is different. Both are tryhard asf but fgc feels more relaxed. Partly due to it being 1v1 and partly because in dota the supports are supposed to do everything and Still get bashed on, with randos anyways

[@Persephone_ch]

I can’t wait to be at EVO grand finals and hear. “And that bracket reset was brought to you by Xfinity!”

[@meatymateo705]

i welcome it, fgc pillars deserve to have more financial stability.

[@kriterer]

The Twitch ads for Sony evo this year weren't too far off

[@kirb1703]

@@kriterer i got 8 ads in a row at evo sunday

[@slkuo1996]

Prize pools aren't the attraction for Riot and other more professionalized esports, salary is. Top players make millions a year in esports like LoL, CS, and Valorant from their orgs, more than any tournament winnings would. Takes away from the "soul" of the esports, but it creates a more sustainable space.

[@-CyberFrame]

This.

[@Kudos828]

Finally someone said it, all the spectators want “soul” in the FGC but I’m sure the competitors would love to play the game they love with a 100k salary like riots gives for league .

[@Monke-fj2qz]

More money doesn't mean the FGC will lose its soul. Riot knows how to produce an esports with hype and get fans engaged, just look at League, it's the most well-loved esport in the entire world with bucketloads of great personalities and storylines, just like the FGC. I understand the fear of losing what makes the FGC special, and that is a VERY valid concern, don't get me wrong. It's just that more money and more professional production isn't incompatible with an authentic FGC, the two can definitely coexist.

[@Pasuhdina]

@@Monke-fj2qz I agree. I think it’s more money more problems if anythihg

[@absoul112]

To be fair sexy characters are common in practically all games, not just fighting games. I'm 50% sure the Cannon brothers worked on Rising Thunder.

[@notimeforcreativenamesjust3034]

Turn that 50 to 100 because they did.

[@cheesy6122]

yeah half of SFVs female cast have sexy outfits and if not theres like 3 skimpy DLC outfits for them

[@yeahboyz9314]

@@cheesy6122 not include mods

[@TempestDacine]

Based zeig poster

[@Monke-fj2qz]

Riot themselves have made quite a few.

[@ritygamer8290]

gnar is actually really popular, yordles in general are. 3% pickrate is very high for a tank in the toplane.

[@peacepham7838]

Yeah, 140 champions total till now, and 3% pickrate is good.

[@maxxrr7389]

@@peacepham7838 Not all of those 140 characters is a tank or have the same role as what Gnar does.

[@peacepham7838]

@@maxxrr7389 Pickrate isn't divide by role.

[@dieptrieu6564]

@@peacepham7838 It's actually 157 champions in total

[@lewdlemur8899]

@@dieptrieu6564 and gnar isnt a tank either, hes a bruiser with an option to go for a more tanky playstyle

[@harry_hydrogen]

Something I’d like to point out is the fact that the FGC lives on grass roots tournaments. We were built from the ground up and I personally believe that the FGC has become more than a bunch of people who play games but it’s own society in a way. Riot will make the game and the FGC will own it in the way that we will play the game, we will host tournaments, and we will make the money to keep us alive not riot, the people, the players will. (Unless they go the Nintendo route) but that would just kill the game. So I don’t see a reason to worry. The FGC is and always will be grass roots at it’s core.

[@Strider1Wilco]

Hahahahahahahaha I hope it doesn't end up like Overwatch where you can't even officially hold tournaments for cash prizes without Blizzards permission. But that's online only. They just want Overwatch League to be the only tournament. There's leagues for OW sure but there isn't any money involved for anyone who isn't top level (or got lucky in getting into a pro team and gets bodied until they're dropped)

[@HeirofDacia]

Bro, good luck hosting tournaments without Riot's permission.

[@bruhmaxxer]

Honestly, this reinforces my stance that I do NOT want fighting games to become "proper" e-sports.

[@Cisternayeah]

yeah but the money incentive would be nice

[@erugurara8235]

what would make the genre "proper"'?.

[@cheesy6122]

@@erugurara8235 huge tournaments with sponsors and players unable to express themselves and trashtalk because sponsors dont want that and boring commentary

[@am1na1996]

@@cheesy6122 wait, boring how exactly? Even in the video the criticism it is not the the commentary is boring, the criticism is that they are cringe for including sponsor name. It take peolle out of the hype, so to speak

[@erugurara8235]

@@cheesy6122 I see, that would really put down the spirit of the players, and they tend to have a a very strong heat of an apersonaity to wacht, there fun.

[@david_watt]

Project L looks good and all but I'm certain those riot tourneys would be more soulless than my grandfather

[@henriquefinger935]

Idk man, the creators of EVO are part of the project. Riot might even fuck their own competitions, but they'll be fine as long as they allow other established events to host their own Project L tournaments.

[@KEI23675]

@@henriquefinger935 as long as people buy the in game cosmetics the Devs will let people host their won tournaments just fine since Riot get most of their income from the cosmetics 😂. I mean they don't copyright strike when people use their songs for videos.

[@JAQm31ster]

You must not have watched LOL Worlds 2021. It was fire. Darwin Gaming winning worlds was hype asf.

[@BlueLightningSky]

Have you see Worlds? There is nothing soulless there. The FGC doesn't do anything comparable. Even Dota has a short film contest which the FGC can easily rip off for EVO but they don't.

[@david_watt]

@@JAQm31ster when i say soulless i meant cooperate not a lack of energy. As long as there are tournaments there will always be hype.

[@lu.cas.prado1]

Bro, your content is great. But it takes responsibility to deliver your argument. You had me the whole video, but rushing the end lost me, even made me kinda sad about such a great content not being completed.

[@kofatsu]

this! please take your time, don't force yourself to a schedule! i, as a viewer want nothing more than quality content. please don't be afraid to take your time and deliver the best.

[@Wiziliz]

Yeah, even simply not putting the text on screen like "Pretend this is Melee," would help the presentation. My nitpick of the video is when he mentions players expressing themselves but has Strive on screen, hahaha.

[@preslim84]

i honestly dont even know what the point of this video is

[@tahashina6557]

You problem

[@GFClocked]

I just want more people playing fighting games.

[@hrgrhrhhr]

Same but I don't consider it an especially high priority :/

[@Dino-zg2kg]

When Project L comes out I might start playing more

[@GFClocked]

@SNES Nes haven't played sf in years bro.

[@velkielle7587]

Hell naw. Waste of time considering all anyone does is bitch for buffs and nerfs. Skill my ass.

[@dragonmaster3030]

@@velkielle7587 yeah, sure because it's such a terrible idea to nerf the super armor on a character, something that can ruin skillful play of other characters, take z broly from Dragonball fighterz, almost everyone use him on a competitive team, even though his kit is quite good it's always his stupid amount of super armor which actively takes away from others skills and enjoyment, because guess what you can power through almost anything they fucking try

[@emmanuelthome9509]

Fighting games as ESports kinda make sense, like they are some of the easiest games to Watch, like, you may not get much, but you don't need to understand much to know that It looks cool

[@emmanuelthome9509]

The actions and objectives are clear from the start, some fighting games may be faster or harder tô follow, but they are easier to watch then something like LOL

[@yeahboyz9314]

@@emmanuelthome9509 unless it's marvel

[@BlueLightningSky]

You make a good point except boxing or MMA is also one of the easiest sports to watch but doesn't compare to the ball sports.

[@QuanLe-xy7uh]

@@BlueLightningSky but the ball game is more mainstream though. since you don't have to risk getting punched in the face whenever you want to play.

[@egekazkayas8968]

@@BlueLightningSky Boxing and MMA are both extremely popular and dominate the betting scene. Boxing in particular has always had a huge following.

[@chellise]

On one hand, the extra attention their monetary brute force brings could help some get more into the FGC, I only began interacting when strive came out, on the other hand, riot is a big guy corporation with functionally infinite funds and the temperament to make sure they are on top, I appreciate this video a lot, and perhaps once more of Project L is revealed, the community as a whole can have a more informed discussion on the ramifications of the presence of it, especially if it turns out to be made well

[@RioSlitherin]

FGC tournaments are very much like watching Pro-Wrestling or even like Martial art sports, being that each person has a story and are dabbed up to be a some kind of a character, to a personal level in a way. Example being Heroes, Villains, Underdogs and such, but more character. Just expanding on a topic you mentioned.

[@Tokumastu1]

Another thing to note about Riots money income, they have the ultimate safety net in the form of Tencent who owns all of Riot. If Riot is ever in hot water Tencent will always bail them out. It's why Riot has always been able to brute force their way into the competitive scene. Sadly this will be the same case with Project L and the FGC. The game just has to meet the standard and they'll just throw money at it none stop until it sticks around.

[@dieptrieu6564]

Riot never have to ask Tencent for help. They made billion each year from LoL alone. And all of their games can sustain itself cause they have very good monetization system

[@Tokumastu1]

Tencent has been forking the bill for a lot of things since they purchased Riot. The stadiums where worlds takes place along with the effects used for stuff like KDA that's Tencent. Hell the insane global marketing, that's also Tencent. Riot pays the bills for the US based advertisement and certain US based events like the red carpet they had for Arcane in the US. They're swimming in money cause Tencent always has them covered. It's why they keep making insane overhauls to League each season for the sake of "spicing things up" cause they pay it out of pocket no problem. Riot manages League the game, Tencent takes care of everything else globally.

[@joleolp]

@@Tokumastu1 That is totally false Tencent only deals with events in China, all other events globally are organized and managed by Riot Games, I say this because the rioters who are in charge are paid by Riot Games, Tecent only deals with China in the rest of the world Riot does whatever it wants

[@SpiralFlip]

Both are fun to watch in their own way imo.

[@ledgee8386]

I don't think it is possible for "esports" to take over the FGC. There are always going to be things on a local level which could be large or small. I think it would be nice for their to be more things like the Tekken World Tour and Capcom's counterpart. That way it gives some players (and sponsors) something to care about and an actual scoring system for invitationals later. Riot will probably create something similar to that. The biggest issue with League's format is lets say me and my other 4 godlike friends can't really get the opportunity to even play on a big stage because I have to be recruited by a million dollar team that pays for their spot in the LCS or whatever they are calling it these days. Fighting game's cant really do that, besides things like Street Fighter League, which (if we take away the stupid ban format) is good fun and still has elements of the FGC while being a very formal setting. But SFL is not the only thing that happens year round, there is still plenty of competition. Starcraft II is something to look at with a good format which has a good mix of everything. They have WCS which is basically Tekken World Tour, very large open bracket tourneys, MLG used to have a circuit, the list goes on. For example there was a player that had no team (formerly he had one but after he was dropped he didn't have a team for a LONG time) won the World Championship unsponsored and also won the hardest tournament in the world the Global Starcraft League (Koreas open bracket, like 2 month long tournament, GSL is usually considered the most prestigious). It really felt like if you played hard enough you could get somewhere where a lot of these modern titles feel unattainable like LoL, CS, Dota, OW the list goes on. Yeah sure you can grind ladder, but then you have to be scouted like its high-school football or some shit. Basically what I am getting at is, Starcraft II which had a lot money dumped in it, with sponsors and all that non-sense, still kept it real and any online hero could be something with enough skill. Same goes for fighting games. If I show up at Evo and stomp everybody in open bracket play I can't be ignored. Not having a team or sponsor doesn't hold me back competitively at all. No one can really take that away from fighting games (or Starcraft).

[@BIaziken2]

Fighting games are a little more meritocratic you mean.

[@ajmamora6332]

Prize pool isnt what riot does its the players salary that comes big

[@drethemage9559]

You mean salary as being in a pro team?

[@bencegergohocz5988]

@@drethemage9559 in 2020, the average lcs salary was 410 000 dollars.

[@LoveYou-wr8bi]

If you see LoR, solo ranker not affiliated from any org can play at tournament. They just need to keep grinding and be the best.

[@michelesciortino1040]

Finally, was going to sleep, but Gekko is more important.

[@letterEsu]

Who goes to sleep at [insert time zone here]

[@michelesciortino1040]

@@letterEsu i'm from Italy, for me it was 11:40 PM

[@sirdogmen]

Plan to get myself a fight stick soon. Looking forward to losing but with a fancy controller.

[@Wordsman]

There is a first person shooter game that imo is as competitive (if not more competitive) than most fighting games and has a pro scene arguably even more underground than most fighting games: Quake. The technicality is on par with alot of fighting games and it is super obvious when high skill gameplay is being shown (unlike league). Personally, I want a revival for the Quake scene, or at the very least, a highly competitive, 1v1 FPS game to become popular in esports scenes.

[@ArcadeStriker]

You forgot ONE important thing needed for e-sports as well: Good internet connection That might sound dumb but if you exist in Latin America, that might be harder to have access to than you think

[@Thristanity]

As a T7 player, hearing Moonsider's first, Infnite azure's theme always activates my fight or flight responses

[@MiketheNerdRanger]

The FGC is a surprisingly welcoming place to be (unless you're a woman; that still needs to be worked on), and I didn't realize how much of a different place it was compared to other larger esports communities. However I'm nowhere near as concerned about how the community will operate once Project L comes out. The only thing that worries me is how the FGC's more *not* so welcoming aspects will be brought to a larger audience, because there's a *LOT* wrong with the FGC.

[@mrpolarthebear209]

Gnar and aatrox could be the install characters. Jayce is a stance changer and I just want neeko in the game.

[@claouslive]

Don't forget about Swain as an install character

[@bloomallcaps]

I really can't see gnar as an install character considering how small he is, he could work as only mega gnar and have mini gnar in the intro/outro

[@rekano]

This was an excellent video. Seeing what Riot does once L drops is going to be interesting. Probably some partnership with Sony(who now owns Evo) to slide it into some kind of offline circuit(once those truly comeback) if I were to guess and branching from there. Oh. And there was one other type of machine that dominated the Arcades that typically drowned out Fighting Games in the arcade...The DDR/dance/rhythm machines. The loudest thing we had was Storm on the Marvel 2 cabs by comparison.(which could be heard from outside the arcade)

[@alborto]

Lmao at the example of Dardoch being one of the most toxic pros ever in league while using a clip from the official broadcast, instead of providing the context that this guy hops from team to team extremely frequently due to his behind-the-scenes toxicity

[@Junpii66]

Yeah, this video has so many bad takes and ignore any contradicting facts. Really poor quality.

[@Esquef]

I disagree with basically every single word said in this video, but it's really well done, have a like

[@vergil_6707]

elaborate?

[@jgblkshot8375]

@@vergil_6707 He won't.

[@Localpref416]

Oh dude there's a vid of Tafo(Mangos old coach) telling people their going to be fired as a cut in during a league broadcast. It was so awkward lol.

[@MDagonic]

First of all: great essay. Maybe the best I saw/read/heared about what the release of Project L can bring. For me a amateurish-casual-esqe (yes I made up a word) Player, I believe das Project L could be one of the "best" things happening to the genre. NOT Because of Riot, but because most of the Competitive Games Riot releases are F2P. Even If I am not one of the highest level players or professional FGC Member, I do believe that there are 3 things a company should think of when making a fighting game - besides actual gameplay and roster. And those things are: 1. the netcode (I think GGST did show how required rollback is so, that should be checked) 2. crossplattform (yes I literally mean it. we should stop dividing the playerbase through plattforms) and 3. the price of the game. No I do not regred paying for fgs I own - most of the games feel good, look good, sound good and I love the time I have with them while playing - soooo money worth for me. BUT not all people think so, that's why I think Project L could be on of the "best" things happening, because Riot can (and I hope will) show the companies that you can make a good and successful fighting game even if it is f2p.

[@dieptrieu6564]

Furthermore, you need population to sustain a healthy competitive game. Making your game free is the best way for you to get a healthy playerbase numbers

[@Wiziliz]

I actually am excited to see the potential of prize pools in fighting game tournaments.

[@dLzzzgaming]

As someone who's been around a lot of different competitive scenes, from CSGO, to LoL, to melee, this was a really good video, super on point

[@made2die107]

I think i remember majin obama also talking about this subject in one of his vids and honestly the thought makes me a bit nervous but at the same time i still always want fighting games to succeed. i will definitely end up playing it but if i don't think its fun i probably won't stick with it, i'll give it the chance as i give any fighter but i just hope people don't over hype themselves too much. its almost always been a gaurantee that too much hype has lead to mass dissapointment to me.

[@mauriciorosa7354]

That McDonald’s 20 chicken nugget comeback got you a new sub. You made my day 😂

[@FenixPlateado]

I'll probably get hate for this considering the topic of this video. While I see your point, I... don't care? I don't really care about the trash talk and keeping the fgc what it already is. If we want bigger prize pools, riot's way is just what works. Perhaps you're ok with how the fgc is now and want to keep it that way, but, I would honestly rather it be like league tournaments, what the fgc has really doesn't affect me in a positive or negative way I'm just not here for the players I'm here for the game.

[@aftertone3146]

@@Doktor_Jones Its not that and it is truly insane that people call it that. In FGs the ttrademark is how people play these character that gives then personality, unless you are flowcharting you can tell who is playing like that. Besides, the way events had always handle themselves were just excitent and fun because the people playing were excited and had fun.

[@dotd1tdot]

This man is truly the 2nd coming of Massery but he actually uploads.

[@AttilaVoices]

"I'm worried that Riot doesn't want to fit in with the FGC, but wants to Be the FGC" This right here is what i fear as well. Because of their sway and how much money they can throw at things, the others might need to step up their game, which they might not be able to afford. Then again... there are pros that play many fighting games at the same time for the prize pool. Though if what they are looking for is hording the cash and Riot puts out a cash pool combining a few tournaments from other games, then they might opt to aim for the bigger pool and thus, robbing their image from certain games and disappointing the fans, so even they might start looking in the direction of Project L. This is a very nebulous and dangerous thing...

[@Niin21]

And the MUSIC, every time a banger starts I get so hyped and remember the best moments i had playing these games

[@barney2120]

You can't really compare any esport genre or any esport game and say one is fun and one isn't. Different communities have different cultures, what may be considered fun to you might not be to them and what might be considered toxic to league may not necessarily be toxic to the fgc. Just my two cents

[@seldomsadsam]

"anyway.. counterstrike" killed me lol 🤣

[@ennuimustdie]

17:14 that's gonna be an inside joke

[@CosRozco]

I'm aware super valid points are being made but when we got that stretch of Under Night: In-Birth music, I felt some type of way. That BGM is so good.

[@cantreed6214]

17:20 imo, plastering an ad over someone's sick play is mad disrespect to the player. it kinda takes credit away from the players, or at least it isn't taking the time to appreciate what that player has done in their best moments. its pretty disrespectful. or at least, it's bad commentary.

[@macehest6000]

I’m actually terrified that we get tournaments like League. You know in stuff like that, we will never get stuff like Yipes commentating, saying F Champ sucks or Punk telling 801 Strider to call him the best of SFL. All of these hype moments with the actual people will be gone.

[@DaAssMan]

This was a phenomenal video. Ive been watching for a while and slowly seeing the channel grow, but in all honesty it never really felt like the videos were bringing something new to the table. thats not to say they were bad but just had a hard time standing out. But this truly felt like a really well crafted and different perspective that a lot of people aren't talking about in this topic. I'm actually really enthusiastic about your next project and eager to see how you continue to grow!

[@SergoskokChannel]

despite playing some fighting games I don't really see where this video comes from: when I watch anything e-sports related stuff I want to see skill and strategy, not personality. after looking thru a tournament with 32-64 teams you easily stop carrying outside of 1-2 teams.

[@wiredpotatomail]

that's fair, everyone has different priorities and prefer different things. to help explain it though, I'll compare fighting games to pro wrestling. when you watch pro wrestling, you aren't watching it to analyze the strategy because you're watching it as much for the players themselves. many popular wrestlers are vibrant and distinct from each other, and this creates interesting dynamics for each fight. the entire experience of playing and watching a fighting game feels much more personal than esports because it's a solo sport. you don't fight with a team, you fight as a single player, and you don't fight against a team, you fight against a single opponent. while this may decrease some aspects of strategy involved with collaboration, it allows each player's skill and personality to shine, making the match (in my opinion) much more stylized and lively. even if some fighting games have strategy based on team composition (dbfz being the first one that comes to mind), the main focus of almost every fighting game is that head-to-head aspect of competition where one player is constantly trying to find the weaknesses of the other player, and vice versa. fighting games separate themselves from esports, and even solo esports, by creating an environment where fast-paced decisions and flashy advantage states showcase the inherent identity of the two players competing in each match. be it constant aggression, terrifying pressure, or calculated zoning, many people watch fighting game matches to watch the players, not the game.

[@Lilybun]

@@wiredpotatomail i mean pro wrestling is scripted so watching it for the strategy wouldnt really benefit anyone who plays competitive games, its more of a performance thing

[@wiredpotatomail]

@@Lilybun i agree, though i wasn't saying that fighting games and pro wrestling are one and the same. i was mainly trying to say that the same elements that make pro wrestling popular (i.e. personality and individuality) also give fighting games their unique charm among esports. you don't see as much of that charm in a football game, and you don't see as much of that charm in league either; the focus that fighting games and wrestling have on individuals and unique expression is what makes them so fun to watch for some people.

[@Lilybun]

@@wiredpotatomail true true, i can see that. People get that side out of mobas from bombastic streaming personalities like Tyler1 rather than from the competitive scene. Fighting games already got a bit of it going on with some entertaining streamers who cast rather than compete for the first place in tournaments

[@Jergling]

The grassroots scene you described for arcade fighting games existed for other genres too. StarCraft, CS and Quake/Painkiller, DotA etc all had completely organic competitive scenes that grew around internet cafes and lan parties on your dad's beige tax filing machine. the old BYOPC tournaments were just like EVO is now. What changed is the game publishers decided they wanted to own the communities I'm a way that the FGC wouldn't tolerate, but the internet-based PC games couldn't fight against. Riot is not a video game developer, they are an advertising platform and holdings company that buys developers. When LoL first came out, it was a crappy, shallow clone of DotA - a minimum viable product in search of micro transaction gold. When it became apparent that actual customers could not sustain the growth they wanted, they pivoted and became an event producer. The cost of running those tournaments for their crappy games is miniscule compared to the eyeballs and advertiser money they rake in. Project L will get its own curated tournaments, have brief commercial success as an advertising platform, and then fade away. All the real FGC has to do is keep existing, because the only way Riot fights is attrition.

[@kriterer]

I think perhaps the biggest reason that the FGC is different is that it's based in 1v1 competition instead of team competition

[@Dahras1]

I get the point of your video but there were a couple of things that just... Weren't correct. For one, League is the biggest, most profitable MOBA and its not even close. Their monthly users is significantly over 100 million and has been for almost a decade. This is even more true in the East, where LOL has been the #1 game on the Korean pccafe charts almost unbroken since its release and where China has multiple separate servers for its players because there are just too many. The prize pool is lower than Dota, but that's mostly because the money is distributed to franchised teams throughout the year as a steady paycheck rather than one lump sum. Also, if you were really looking for an origin point for eSports, you probably should have pointed to Quake. That was already an eSport in the 90s, and they pioneered the business model of selling eSports to PC Hardware manufacturers as sponsors. To be honest, this video feels kind of... Sloppy. Like, as a fan of both LOL eSports and FGC, I totally agree that there's a difference between the two. I also agree that it would be a shame for Riot to come in and kill the FGCs unique vibe. But you didn't give me a reason why that'd happen except that Riot is a big fish in the small pond of the FGC. But why would that destroy the rest of the FGC? Even if Riot do not adjust to fighting games at all, why wouldn't the rest of the FGC just keep on keeping on? I just dont feel like you really expressed a clear idea.

[@fuckcontinentals]

As for your last point, I beleive that if most top players had to choose they'd play the tournament with the big prize pool. Also imo the problem isn't the fgc changing, but other fighing game companies changing. Make everything an invitational cus idk riot is doing it and it's working out for them.

[@caoz9375]

@@isaacsteele7986 Is that really Riot's fault tho? Say, if you poured hours and hours to hone your skills and be the better player, to the point where that is literally your job, wouldn't you want to actually make a living out of it? Instead of spending more money on travel expenses and hoping that winning can cover part of it? There's no reason for you to have to choose one or the other. The pros in LoL for example all have salaries and make a living out of being esport players, why can't the FGC also have that? And if that ends up being the case, why is it a bad thing?

[@caoz9375]

@@isaacsteele7986 What exactly prevebts the regular players from playing other games?

[@wawayoung290]

If you haven't put more time into mobas, then any other person would feel lost when they see a championship dota2 or lol game. Because at the start, you really need to level up and gather resources in order to get stronger in order to win fights. It's pretty much the same as RTS games like Starcraft, C&C games, etc. There are times where lv 1 fights happen because of the strat they are currently using in the game. Fighting games on the other hand are really different because right off the bat, you dish out combos at your opponent. I feel like you overthink a little in some of these topics which I agree. But it's still not coming anytime soon so we can only wait and hope it would not be the case. And one other thing, most people really don't mind about those advertising things. In the past, I would sympathise with you. But after learning more about how businesses work since I'm a business student, it's actually a smart move having advertisers because they help pay not just for the players, but also the staff and devs there in the company. So comparing dota2 and lol in terms of how they look for funding, it's really just how they implemented their financing plans. And dota2 obviously also have sponsors since they are still a company and they also need funding. Mercedez-benz was a sponsor in 2020. So unless there is something illegal behind, all forms of funding should be accepted. Overall, I just hope Riot can create a healthy relationship with the fgc and foster a healthy competition with other fighting games.

[@kennythekid130]

2:36 Melee is sick!

[@rkraccoons]

Melee is siiiick

[@SadToffee]

I am now going to call any comeback a McDonald's 20 chicken nugget comeback lmao.

[@imtree4558]

The Mcdonalds 20 chicken nugget comeback is hype as frick. We need more blatant advertising in the FGC

[@ryansenecal2718]

Imagine thinking Dota is a bigger game than League...

[@afterpasthours7504]

The Neco-arc representation in this video does fill the quotas, good job.

[@Trypetagenalis]

There's nothing like Moonsiders 1st to immediately get me into the video

[@dado_the_dodo1558]

This became one of my favorite videos on KZbin , keep up the good job!! Truly a 20 chicken mcnugget video

[@creativename2567]

Idk about you but if some annoying sponsors are making some ppl happier then I'm fine with it. Also, Riot making characters that are copies of other character isn't true at all, like, ppl even complain about how riot forces mechanics so complex and different that it would take 200 years to understand...

[@Yxazel]

Wtf, Neco arc winning in a rel match?!?!

[@themustardthe]

8:29 was this supposed to be 150,000 or 15,000?

[@turntechgoth]

I just got into Strive and found my way to your channel (and honestly I blame your videos for keeping me as obsessed with the game as I currently am), but as someone from a League/Val background, specifically with the e-sports scene, I thought this may be the best video to leave a comment on. I honestly think a lot of the personality issues and lack of bloodthirst come down more to League pros themselves, rather than the broadcast. Sure, it's more neutered than an FGC event, but Riot really has allowed a lot more trash-talk within Valorant's competitive scene. They've set up the stage for Valorant with the competitors facing each other, and have gone out of their way to feature and highlight a lot of the between round trash-talk between teams and players. The sponsors bit I can't really defend, outside of saying that at a certain point the intrusive sponsor bits find a way to become inside jokes. (I also think it's a bit of a sports culture thing, from how I understand? In the US sponsored bits are a lot more common, even in broadcast sports so people are less annoyed by it here.) But honestly, looking at how Riot has set up Valorant, I don't think Riot's approach will really hurt the FGC. In Valorant, Riot gave the community a chance to run tourneys, with even VCT events (the stuff that qualifies you for the big Riot sponsored ones) being set up and run by 3rd party tourney organizers, with Riot's backing/support. One of Riot's favorite things to do is to set up franchised leagues for their games... but since fighting games aren't team based, I don't see them going that route for Project L. I honestly think they may go the route of Teamfight Tactics or Legends of Runeterra (two of their smaller titles) which allow players to either a) climb a ranked ladder and then place in open qualifiers based off that rank to try and get into the bigger, Riot run tourneys. In Legends of Runeterra, it's even fully organized within the game (and they've been teasing a similar system for Valorant but that's yet to be revealed/released yet.). My best guess would be that they would run their own tourney system, but still allow the game to be hosted at community run events. Maybe having placing at big events giving you qualifying points for their stuff, but I'm not 100% sure. But on your last point about the community growing, I can already say Project L finally brought me into the FGC full-fold. I was a lurker for years, just watching tourneys and KZbin content and always wanting to play fighting games but never knowing where to start. Being too scared to start, if I'm being honest. Project L being announced (and eventually shown off as a tag, assist-fighter) gave me the itch to pick up a game "for real." So I picked up Strive, and I've finally taken the time to learn a fighting game, and I've loved it. Sorry for the long comment, and for whoever reads this, I hope you have a good day!

[@OpPo-xb6iv]

You mean to tell that the company that has doxxed and banned pro-players for saying T-bagging is fine on twitter are "supportive" of trash talk ? Yeah right..

[@ramiabdalla2661]

shit, we got a long one here

[@captainmalice]

Nice video, but I think it would be nice if you didn't use the same five songs. If you love Night Walker, I suggest you play all the other bops on the UNI OST. If you love Spunky, I suggest you play all the other bops on the SF 3rd Strike OST. Just a suggestion. Update: So you played Hyde's theme and Nananse's theme so that's nice.

[@Spd4356]

Can someone list the songs in the background? Ive just jamming to them while watching this vid

[@ethanbenjamin8717]

I'll have you know, I've only been wearing this pajama short for 3 straight days

[@mageking860]

"eating your cereal at 3pm" Bro this hit too close to home along with the other jokes 🤣. Insta sub.

[@PinoyYoung]

did not expect my fighting game life and dance life to intersect in this video, Ordinary Days is a sick song.

[@geronimobellicoso1438]

The video is finally done. I am beyond excited.

[@IchibanXVI]

Patiently waiting for Gekko to make videos on Hinokami Chronicles.

[@Mekothemeko]

That's not a fighting game

[@gansmith]

I am not too worried about Riot trying to swallow the FGC whole because the FGC stands for the Fighting Game COMMUNITY for a reason. Riot better learn to play along with the others or be forced to the side like Nintendo and the Smash community were despite being the biggest community with a roster even more popular than LoL. The FGC enjoys the variety of games on offer so each small community likes to share than compete for attention. This is why major FGC events always showcase multiple games and have smaller tourneys for any upcoming ones down the pipeline. So while the FGC is hype for the LoL fighting game, the FGC will be watching Riot Game's corporate behavior carefully. Trying something extreme like trying to buy out all the high profile players WILL NOT work in the long run. The FGC will simply find other grassroots players to be hype about.

[@mpdrago1730]

tbh the smash community is part of the fgc, at least melee, and Nintendo didn't get pushed aside they walked away and actively tried to hinder the communities growth

[@gansmith]

@@mpdrago1730 Smash is part of the FGC, but most of their main events are stand alone so they are treated as mostly tangentially there. This is because Nintendo doesn't want Melee to affect the sale of newer games. I am using Smash mostly as an example on how the FGC is willing to set big fighting games to the side in order to maintain overall cohesion.

[@mathunit1]

That Nintendo slander is outdated now because of their partnership with Panda.

[@mpdrago1730]

@@mathunit1 untill the tournaments actually happen and are amazing I'm still slandering Nintendo

[@InvertID]

I know game is not even out yet but IIRC league pros is tied to their contract not to play in non riot tournaments so there's a chance they want to make project L scene in their own bubble, which is a shame for an FGC game. I hope they could use some of the Cpt or Twt formats.

[@blackstab3913]

Gotta say, I'm very hyped about Project L. Here's the thing : I love almost everything about League of Legends, the champions, the concepts, the music, the skins... The only thing I hate about this game is... playing it. That's why I'm hyped to pilot these characters in a manner I prefer, as in FG style. My absolute favorite champ is gonna be in the OG roster, Ekko, so obviously I'm gonna give it a try. But yeah I do hope it will encentivize sponsors and studios to support FGCs and bring some much needed new blood (playing Strive on PS4 and it can be an absolute no man's land depending the hour. Can't wait for crossplay )

[@KewlAlexYT]

Melty Blood ost getting more play than the actual game 😭😭

[@monarch2500]

Ok but for real for real , riot coming to the fgc I think is a good thing bc it means bigger prize support and the fgc will get notice more, bc it’s said to see that sonic fox is the only fgplayer that made the most money and that the prize support isn’t like the fps or LOL or dota u know

[@FNCMontragor]

To be honest I don't care if they call it 20 chicken nuggets comeback if that means that my favorite pro players can afford a living by playing my favorite game. And if it's called MVP or Master Card or Whatever MVP doesn't really affect me.

[@getinthering7309]

riot already got the upperhand on 30yo fg franchises just with arcane: *picture of all four characters with the leslie jones body frame, that only Breakers&Powerinstinct each got ONE character of *

[@ziggymogaming2726]

Riot Games' games: -While only 10 years old, still Religiously adds new content -Updating world lore and metas constantly, keeping the community interested for better or worse -Consistent interaction from the developers to the community -F2P Fighting games: -Never left the 90s -Same characters from the last 40 years, afraid to expand or be different -goes in the dark, and news is always bad or underwhelming -60 a pop The truth comes in the fact that fighters simply don't get the interest it should have because the companies that makes them haven't done anything new or interesting in forever. The only exception has been 3D fighters. It's even more pathetic now that these games rely on other IPs to even hold attention, which I believe hurts these games' IP even more in the long run. The community is extremely grassroots at it's core, and still fails to attract most of the new gaming sphere which does in fact like that that professionals act like professionals and the eccentric personalities are left to streamers and content creators. The most interesting concept to me would be a competitive 3d arena fighter. It'd be a challenge, but much more interesting than watching 2d games as they have become nowadays - archaic and predictable. Also, these companies rely on fan retention, and "copy homework" on a whole different level, entire companies copying each other's work or their own old iterations constantly to keep the same niche fanbase happy. That's why you couldn't probably name 20 new characters that have existed in a single one of these games in the past 15 years. If anything, Riot would beat these other companies easily just because the basics, like a reason to care about the characters (LOL Lore) or the net code not falling apart would be there. But I wouldn't hold my breath, because at the end of the day it's still a 2d fighter that many in the main sphere either find boring or frustrating. I say this as someone who's played a lot of fighters. I think you're looking at it the wrong way. Fighters simply cannot get that level of player base to plaster ads all over it's events in the first place, and that has more to do with the actual game and the community's relationship with them than any of the money. I think Riot got extremely lucky with a great concept and didn't rest on it's laurels and refuse to change or become complacent on fan loyalty because some 40 year old guy still remembers Ryu from the good ol' days.

[@lucasbueno8309]

Thank you, you said everything I've been willing to say but can't really express

[@dominicjannazo7144]

I am so looking forward to someone handing SonicFox a microphone on a huge sponsored eSports broadcast.

[@walkssilently1099]

i think illaoi recently being announced for project L means that the devs have a bit of say on who gets into the game.

[@MrSomewhatawesome]

Great video but uh missing a 0 on that $150,000 figure, chief @ 8:28

[@maliqscott5320]

ok but whats that song at the start of the riot section tho?

[@chefboypablo]

Can anyone tell the song name at 7:50

[@hijster479]

Gathers under night, the character select theme for UNI.

[@KhoaTran-md5ou]

if Project L play like a boxing match, sure I will joint (do you know how convoluted their tournaments are?)

[@timokohler6631]

Wait what is the biggest moba?

[@keonggondang989]

You know the most bombastic feature that will be added to project L? chat feature

[@GohTheGreat]

Great video as always gekko. You and roofle are my favorite FGC yourubers

[@g0ddish434]

I think what I dislike about eSports is that toxicity is 100% bad and you're expected to be 100% good. While in the fgc, you can trash talk as long as you're not being prejudice or using your hands the wrong way. I guess it just does come with a cause of it being Niche for the past Years. It's such a shame since it's such a fighting games are one of the best way to say that you have skill

[@Niin21]

the Melty music in this video maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan

[@onmarkstriking]

good video, very well made, we need more content like this in the FGC

[@Amaling]

With current time, I thiiink Project L will be pretty good, and tourneys on release will be cool. They also clearly want to use the FGC figures and our events to promote the game BUT, they still haven’t disclosed how much Riot will be willing to encroach into the FGC. We’ve seen how restricted League Esports got after the early years, franchising no relegation etc. If Riot eventually say disallows Project L to be run on big tourneys outside their own, offers players big money contracts to exclusively play Project L, we’re going to war.

[@zenwuu]

0:58 Drinking G fuel but close enough. Thanks for believing in me

[@kaleidoslug7777]

13:10 its okay dude we all had a phase like that. Its GOOD

[@phanthanhlam6612]

I am a legend of runterra player and i can tell you that game champion ship is very open, you can be anyone to join the last champion ship, anyone with enough skill on the top master in game ranking can join the qualifier, they also have a mode for seasonal ( happen every few months), the last seasonal on asia a random boy won because he have skill so i have hope for this game. Believe it or not, even though they are shit, i can see they care about the community at some point because well they made money from them

[@razorfinger]

"League of legends is like the most toxic game ever everyone hates how toxic it is" "Damn i wish the tournaments were more toxic"

[@Indignation6]

I remember Riot tried to stop teabagging in a valorant tournament. It only made people teabag more. That's my people right there.

[@InfernoTune727]

one thing about project L i hope for: gankplank and master yi as characters. please. give me the joy of pressing the q button on my opponents in a fighting game.

[@kofatsu]

thankfully the SSB melee joke did not age well

[@chitusplum4849]

God im getting distracted every time you include undernight music , cuz i love it and the game and begin to think about it