FGO Camelot 2 Paladin Airgetlam is a Beautiful Mess

I finally got to see the second Camelot movie and Solomon movie for Fate/Grand Order. In this video, I'll be going over my impressions of Paladin Airgetlam and why I find it to be kind of a mixed bag.
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[@otakudaikun]

If you had the chance to see this film, what did you think?

[@bestpriest2224]

For me, it was actually really good. I got a Fate Movie and it had some really good use of Ost. Especially the Ost when Lancelot fought against Aggravain.

[@82rebok]

I don't no i just started the camelot singularity when the movie was out

[@Fureiji88]

For both films, an overall big mess where even the positives you mentioned in this video and the positives I want to give them can't nor do they really hold up because of the way so much got cut to the point you can't really connect it with the canonical story or what babylonia had set up and as much as I want to agree about the bedivere and artoria battle of giving her excalibur in what you said in the video however objectively that works on paper but like everything else in these 2 films so much got cut that it just doesnt really work and even if you are the biggest fate aficionado out there and know all the lore stuff nasu built over the years that's not what got put in these films. Heavens feel was able to work cause regardless if you agree or disagree with the choices ufotable made, the choices made in those 3 movies all had to serve a purpose of telling both a powerful but very dark story where even a few of the changes they likely did worked in their favor as a compromise for fans of the VN and those who only know fate through the anime or FGO itself. I can't recommend them to anyone mainly because it's too shallow and lacks what made the Camelot story memorable to people. Maybe down the line they'll try again cause hey happened for unlimited blade works where it got a tv adaption after the studio seen films told that story but not very successfully so it is possible for Camelot to get a 2and chance but that all depends on type moon since usually when their works aren't too successful or are met with divisive reactions they tend to step away or try to overly course correct in some way after a break.

[@TheManastein]

Honestly I’m sad that the story wasn’t correct, but I was mainly only watching it for the fight scenes since I already know the story from playing the game

[@gundam-knight-chris1585]

I honestly enjoyed it. Not just the soundtrack but the journey that Bedivere went through was vastly more improved than playing the Singularity in the FGO game. Admittedly, the only part I disliked was that they didn't provide much characterization for the other Servants. I believe it would've been better that, instead of a movie, they made each Singularity into a separate anime series like they did with Babylonia.

[@derrickmehok9465]

I'll be honest, I was happy with it as long as they nailed Bedivere/Artoria's arc. Which I felt they did. But I definitely agree this would have been better given more run time and more of the development like Babylonia got.

[@ShiraFuyu2022]

I'm a bit glad that the 2nd Movie is in a way an improvement but like every others said. Fate isn't something they can adapt easily as a Series, let along a movie. Even Heaven's Feel cut some of Illya's moment iirc

[@Rebotified]

There's a reason why they didn't do the singularities before camelot; the stories for them are all over the place and meh, but in mobile story form game; it good enough. The later singularities get better stories.

[@vla1ne]

@@Rebotified i'd argue every singularity prior to america, was capable of being 1-2 ova episodes.

[@thomasschmelzer7676]

I personally enjoyed the second movie well enough. Mordred finding some peace in Xuanzangs lap pillow was sweet, I loved Gawain vs Bedivere, and the Hassan’s taking down Tristan I felt really showed their hatred towards him. Plus Bedivere vs the Lion King was pretty emotional. Although I’m biased since Bedivere is my favorite Knight of the Round Table. That being said, it really would have been better as a full out anime. Use that gacha money!

[@PEDROGARCIA-qj3gr]

I feel they only adapted this one since is pure Artoria lore more than they want to make another FGO adaptation that wasn't Babylon, I wish they would make a season of every part of the epic remanent, but that will hardly happy.

[@madambutterfly1997]

King Hassan is so op at base that I question if he was actually nerfed when he lost his grand assassin status

[@ousamadearudesuwa]

Lets just say he got Nerfed. Although Grands don't get nerfed once they lose the Grand status, they actually are strong enough to fit their requirements(a.k.a. doing their job) but loses their job application form.

[@amari7782]

@@ousamadearudesuwa except king Hassan can be a grand whenever he wants because he’s the only grand assassin

[@c1yro_22]

​@@amari7782 Aged like wine

[@stuckinsidegaming]

I'm glad I finally found SOMEONE who feels the same way I do about this movie. If you can't do it justice, DON'T TOUCH IT.

[@vicount3944]

That's a very ignorant comment. They don't choose to "touch it", jimmy. They're given the job, a schedule and are expected to deliver it. They did a great job considering how abysmal their schedule was and the fact that they had to cram everything into two movies. Stop being an entitled prick. Respect people's work.

[@agk5631]

This was a treat to watch~ I think you really summed up the overall feeling of FGO players for this film. "A beautiful mess" where the ups were great and the downs/cut out material was felt.

[@JohnPeacekeeper]

Still think the best of all FGO Adaptations is Turas Realta. Yes, it's a manga, but it characterizes way better than any of the movies or anime did for FGO. Orleans gets heavier characterization and stakes, and from there, we get Kiyohime as a main heroine towards the other Singularities, and Hektor joins in the party as well. Even Ritsuka becomes less flat. Though this is something I always appreciated: showing how Chaldean Servants will be like when tagging along with Fujimaru.

[@randomdude2004]

Yeah Turas realta is underrated. I loved orleans and okeanos

[@pauloazuela8488]

Was this the announced Manga adaptationa for each singularity?

[@JohnPeacekeeper]

@@pauloazuela8488 For all the odd-numbered ones. Meaning all the good ones really

[@pauloazuela8488]

@@JohnPeacekeeper Wait what? Do they not want to fix problems from other ones?

[@JohnPeacekeeper]

@@pauloazuela8488 No, no, it's because another manga is covering the even-numbered ones. Mortalis Stella. Thing is... They have to start with Septem. They also don't get to have Kiyohime.

[@Wimplo86]

This review is a nice and welcomed surprise! Can’t wait for you to review Solomon!

[@ChickenJT]

My friend just finished watching Solomon and this movie and he LOVED IT. Just like Daikun states fgo or just fate in general leaves out a lot of key details or just extra characterization/plot. It's hard to enjoy fate unless you know the background or the story already. BUT I was like his mini fate archive and gave him extra context and extra knowledge about the characters/story. I gave him an entire fate watch list that imo works perfectly. I was so happy at his reactions to Artoria's and Bedivere's character arcs and Solomon too. Sometimes you just need a friend to watch fate with so u can fully or just better understand it. Personally since they did Bedivere justice I gave the movie like a 9/10.

[@ivanbluecool]

It's just so sad how they did Camelot overall in adapting it. So much removed erased or utterly changed to "fit" to get from point A to point B. Part 1 was a mess so bad it makes the ubw movie look more fluid as it was highlights while people teleported in Camelot all the time to fit the story and why it had less than 2 hours on both parts I'll never understand. Part 2 had more put into it but it just had part 1 weighing it down and the knights are extremely bad in the anime all the time being rekted by everyone who fights them. Animation looked fine enough but it's not something I'll ever watch again. One time was enough. Also somehow Babylon did more legwork to set up soloman Romani and mashus galahad than Camelot ever did by skipping so much stuff in the movie. The Egyptian pharaoh were so badly handled. Nitocris was just siduri without any high point and ozymandias was walked all over and looked like a loser compared to caster gilgamesh who was the opposite and got a ton of extra scenes that helped him in the Babylon anime. Overall would place it near bottom of the fgo adaptions next to moon room on enjoyability

[@gast321]

I don't really care if it was a mess, it's the closest Fate has brought me to crying, and I'll be rewatching it time and time again

[@raymondyongho5757]

I honestly wasn't a fan of Xuanzang sacrificing herself in the game, so I appreciated the fight between her and Mordred, since it gives her some much-needed closure, and at least gives Xuanzang something to do. However, I agree that the animation for the fight between Lancelot and Agravain was all over the place, which made it harder to appreciate the fight. It's a letdown how Ozy was just there and didn't contribute much other than ramming the barrier. I wanted to see him fight at least once, so it was disappointing how he barely got off his throne.

[@NeptuniaMorgan]

Everyone has a different opinion, yes, but you can't say that Camelot (I'm talking about the movies) was "better" (as in the mentioned points) than Babylonia. You might not like Babylonia, but it definitely had more character moments than Camelot and represents the story from the game better.

[@SN27671]

Whoever made that point falls in one of two categories. 1. They haven’t played the singularity and aren’t aware of how much character moments were actually cut. 2. They completely know the story and every event taking place and don’t take into account that the movies will also be watched by people who know little of the story.

[@regisrelic2636]

@@SN27671 for me i think that person actually play through the babylonia in the game but didnt actually read every thing and just focus on dialog or fight moment.

[@nobalkain624]

Sadly some Anime Fans only care about crazy battles and how they look.

[@randomdude2004]

@@nobalkain624 babylonia had better fights lol

[@amari7782]

@@randomdude2004 I’ve it’s not blasting your eyes with over the top BS like the Camelot movies then anime onlies aren’t gonna care.

[@alexandarvoncarsteinzarovi3723]

< I commits to a relationship with Artoria Lancer Alter> Mordred: Sooooo I still get to call you daddy, right Me: Sure, you can also wear that t-shirt now too proudly Jeanne Alter: I'll get the snuggle dungeon ready Artoria Saber Alter: Make sure you use the warm cover for the steel rack Medusa Gorgon: Ahhhh, just like back home in the Temples of Aphrodite, Scatch: Or summer harvest at Stonehenge, Skadi: Only less booze and more humping

[@vicount3944]

Fate fans trying to be funny

[@Evil_Florida]

Small correction but Ozzy wasn’t the one to direct the group to Tri Hermes, it was King Hassan

[@marianchovych]

There are a lot of cut out stuff that would make a non fan understand the 2 movies a little bit but as someone playing the game for 3 years it’s still good. Not Babylonia good but still good over all especially the fighting scenes and noble phantasms I’m just happy I get to see servant battle it out.Agravain and Lancelot’s fight looks like a studio trying to do multiple styles. I feel like I’m watching a Black Rock Shooter fighting since In one of those fights Still would watch it again. I wanna see your opinion on the Solomon movies too

[@LightShadowOnyx]

I haven't seen camelot but hearing them cutting out a lot of the material from the mobile game really seals the deal for me not rushing to watch it if it comes to streaming services and has the dub I give it a watch but me liking it that train left the station. I will give it some props for animating nitocris.

[@venom890]

4:04 hi, Bleach fan here, yes, i do hate it when people condemn works for the reasons i like, but eh, to each their own, different tastes and appreciations is what makes the world a fun place

[@winston8762]

To me Camelot 2 was a 9.5ish/10. I had really low expectations cuz of the previous movie but this was epic. The main problem with Camelot 2 is basically Camelot 1. Story was cut and altered really bad so it's too late to re adapt the og story in the game. Same as Camelot 1, it's better if you already know the story. Flashbacks were exceptionally good. The part with Lancelot and till the attack on Camelot was somewhat just like the game. It went well till they got to the gate. Xuan Zang's role was cut out and replaced by the fight with Mordred on the pyramid. This part was really odd and out of place for me. The fight was cool but it doesn't feel connected to the main story. Then the Gawain vs King Hassen part, it's good but could have been done better. You can certainly see that King Hassen is more powerful but since he doesn't do much something feels lacking. How should I say? The actions need to tell us that he's stronger instead of just dialogue? Tristan vs Hassens were absolutely epic. You can feel that Tristan is a powerful foe yet the Hassens still fight with absolute determination and fought till the very end. Lancelot vs Agravaine was totally unexpected and bizarre. The red and black color theme followed by the falling debris from the pyramid while someone absolutely rocking the piano in the background was ngl feels kinda epic to me. Bedi vs Gawain (3rd round), by this time it was getting a bit boring seeing them fight for like the third time in a single movie. But character development wise, this part was good. And now the final part, Bedi returning the Excalibur. This.. this is the best part in the entire movie. Realization that Bedi is not even a servant, a few small flashbacks, Lion King's reaction to Bedi and Excalibur followed by Bedi rushing forward as the song "Toumei" plays is simply the best! This part gave me the feels. You could feel the end of Bedi's long journey as he was finally able to return Excalibur back to Artoria, the song captures Bedi's personality and his journey perfectly. If not for the wacky start, that is Camelot 1, it would have been a 10/10. Honestly, I'm absolutely satisfied with Camelot 2

[@otakudaikun]

That's very optimistic.

[@aaronheroes8485]

I will say the final act was probably the best part, By that I mean the fight between Bedivere and Artoria

[@gundambassexe31]

I love the Camelot movie 1 . Can't wait for the second film

[@jesterlefae3940]

Here’s to LB6 getting better treatment when, not if, it gets animated.

[@reinezumi3962]

The only reason I watched this movie is because of the animated fights and it didn't disappointed me. I never liked to see Arthuria using a flying horse to fire her np in the game.

[@stevepitt-ash4628]

Even if it's a mess I'm still going to watch it as I truly enjoy grand order story great video dai can't wait to see ur next video

[@povilzem]

It's not the job of an adaptation to be creative. It's up to the original to make the good story. The adaptation needs but to convey that story in another medium. If you want to be creative, go and create your own thing, don't coopt and subvert other people's work.

[@TakaTahuNuva]

Love this review, mainly because I find myself disagreeing with most of what you said. :) Differing opinions are always interesting! This movie was an absolute blast for me, and all the flaws you mentioned didn’t bother me one bit. Never played the game, and tried to watch Babylonia after this but just couldn’t vibe with it enough to continue. Love Fate but I don’t care about Grand Order enough to watch any more adaptations of it, but seeing something as well-directed and animated as Camelot 2 really surprised me. Everything about this film flowed naturally for me and I’d easily recommend it to non-Faters as well

[@johncedricksantos2401]

Based. It was the reason why I love it so much. If only they didn't cut a lot of important parts in the game it would be perfect

[@nobalkain624]

That really sucks that this Arc was not given enough time. Being a big King Arthur Fan I was looking forward to hearing more of the Lore they went with in this since I have been unable to play the game.

[@otakudaikun]

In the films defense I think all of the Arthurian lore bits are handled just fine.

[@desmondmalone438]

12:58 and it elevated Osy’s rider class more now you see why he’s a rider

[@tamamonomae2740]

Personal opinion that I think summarizes the issue of this movie There's to much going that's cut into pieces and spread about. I find the early part to be well done with what they were given, issue is that once more only fgo fans would follow what's going on. The moments before the attack as well were somewhat empty since in the end it was only light motivations for the characters in this movie when it should be a lot more (Aside from Benni's panic attack.) The issue here is mainly starting from the attack on camelot. Gawain should have immediately been isolated by hassan so that they could show off what gawain is suffering from (Which I understood and misplaced pride). In the end you're correct to say that their just having a fight to show who's more of a sinner but why they are more of a sinner isn't clear because they cut him out. They also should have made it clear why Gawain lost his power. The fight with hassan's as well should have been shortened and less segmented. It's important in the game but in the movie where Hassan is given so little screen time and love, anyone who didn't play the game would have no idea why this is so important and given so much screen time nor any reason to care why even if they did. I feel like Lancelot's and Aggravain's fight didn't need to be shown off since, again, the 2 aren't given the screen time or reason to care. Since every reason as well is purely acknowledged if you know their stories in universe. And lastly the fight with Gawain should have Da vinci since there was no real reason to not show her off and since in game this was supposed to be the 'true' last boss in camelot. That said though, the best part I would say is Mordred vs Xuanzang. This is the only fight that has no cuts, is short to the point and is obvious about the theme. Mordred, the knight that killed arthur or well lead to her downfall, wish's to atone through her self destruction and being a tool to arthur. Xuanzang however, knows that atonement comes not from self destruction but forgiveness and time. Mordred's hatred (displayed as clarent) is thus rendered neutered by Xuanzang's love (displayed as the buddha's lotus) and forgiveness (by allowing mordred to pass on peacefully instead of filled with guilt and anger). Second is Benny returning arthur's sword and awakening mash's true power.

[@agravain9006]

The highlights to me were Bedivere, Lion King, and Agravain.

[@BradLad56]

It may be just me, but Ozy reminded me so much of Gil. His attitude, his arrogance, his belief that everything belongs to him. I do have to wonder how a meeting between the two would play out.

[@desmondmalone438]

1:40 my words exactly

[@reinouth9345]

I'm finally in camelot in the game, and I'm indeed seeing differences, but still it was a pretty epic movie to watch. Babylonia is still my fav anime of all fime tho, almost impossible to beat that masterpiece

[@amari7782]

It’s definitely a “ you need to have all the context” otherwise it’s just a clusterfuck of things going on

[@linkoln579521]

Honestly the Camelot arc even in the game was meh, but I don't think it was bad I just think in comparison to other singularities, it didn't charm me as much. However I will admit that Hassan of the cursed, and Tristan was what ruined the arc for me, Hassan because of Heaven's Feel, and Tristan because there's no development of his character he's just evil because he is. Also the fact that in London mordred is different than the mordred shown in Camelot.

[@jorgedavid7469]

Well obvious is the world of bediviere which is a what if where all the knights were manipulated and mistreated by the dismissal of artoria who believed that he did the right thing.

[@desmondmalone438]

11:54 and there’s a small Percival cameo there too

[@nhazulkimonalos9895]

It really is a beautiful mess but the fights that are sloppy like lancelot vs agravain, it's kinda intriguing and it's like an art if you look in a different perspective.

[@ElZamo92]

I just watched the Camelot movie 2 before watching this video. I agree. this movie is a mess. It looks absolutely gorgeous, but if I hadn't played the game before watching it I would have ended up in a confused mess... and that ending... what was that? it ended so abruptly...

[@shahdangalahad698]

I can't stop Laughing when Mashu say to Lancelot Father.

[@GC-Shadow1327]

It was a mucky but popcorn-worthy experience, but I hope they don't carry on this trend of rushing adaptations in the future. I just wish the producers had the decency to at least finish what they started with the Lancelot v Agravein brawl no matter how ridiculous it looked, I thought Lancelot was thanos snapped which broke my immersion in the end of the movie.

[@lincolnbeckett8791]

As an anime only, I enjoyed these films. But hearing how much stuff got cut, I am sad that this adaptation wasn't a film trilogy or 12 episode TV series.

[@edwardtdm123]

The only question that comes to my mind was why was Arthur portrayed as a bad guy in these movies.

[@otakudaikun]

Because she kinda was.

[@pedroportela6476]

...Did you even watch these movies?

[@edwardtdm123]

@@pedroportela6476 Nope

[@pedroportela6476]

@@edwardtdm123...Did you even read the chapter that they were based on?

[@edwardtdm123]

@@pedroportela6476 Nope

[@pointblank8060]

I won’t lie the best parts of the movie to me was every scene with Ozymandias bro the ramessuem is dope and it has a flying mode with a high tech interior can’t help it I like moble fortresses like the ramesseum in this movie

[@izzymosley1970]

I know this is unrelated but I think it's a interesting question my question is how strong could a normal human without magic circuits become in the nasuverse? The reason I asked this question is because I think it would be cool if a normal human with out magic circuits with enough hard work could become strong instead of it just being special families that have a monopoly on power.

[@otakudaikun]

The only way I can imagine that is with someone like Kiritsugu who learns Magecraft in order to counteract it.

[@izzymosley1970]

@@otakudaikun so is it possible for a normal human to use magecraft without magic circuits and if they can't is it possible for a normal human to make some sort of weapon that put them on par with someone who does have magic circuits?

[@setsunakyuuki4369]

Typical left-leaning journalist always criticizing for the littlest thing.

[@pedroportela6476]

It was alright. It wasn't a Snoozefest like part 1, and it knew what it wanted to do from the beginning. It works pretty well in isolation, while still delivering on the couple of big moments that it needed to deliver. I'm okay with them skipping stuff since 99% of the people watching this already played the game and it's not impossible for the remaining 1% to piece things together on their own. Like I always say, if I'm watching an adaptation of a source material that I've already experienced, I'm not going to go into it expecting it to be 100% faithful, but instead, I want something that makes what essentially boils down to a rewatch of a story feel fresh and interesting. And I feel like part 2 does this extremely well. The animation was on point when it needed to be, every fight felt poignant, dynamic, and grand in scale. Would it have been better as an anime series with 20 something episodes to include every character, and give the story more room to breathe, while still keeping things fresh and the moments feeling big? Probably. But I'm fine with what we got.

[@desmondmalone438]

18:20 with that shield you need to be that lol

[@ShinigamiSamaH]

I hope they learned the lesson and choose to give the full series treatment in future installments (which will probably be the Lostbelt arc.) The Babylonia series have the right pacing, it stay faithful enough to the source material that you don't mind the smaller details they added/removed, and while the fight scenes aren't god tier by any stretch (and even kinda jank in some part) but still plenty cool and well above serviceable. I never cared for the big screen fight scene treatment that is in the various Fate movies (or any anime movie really), especially if the story suffered for it.

[@TheManastein]

I wonder if we’ll ever get animated events like Saber wars 2 or GUDAGUDA

[@otakudaikun]

I wish they'd stick to the main story personally.

[@OtakuSparrow]

So you would call this the Deen UBW of modern era? :P It certainly tried to deliver, didn't quite make it, but still left an impression. At the very, it means that future adaptations will know what to do better.

[@otakudaikun]

Deen UBW was technically more accurate, despite being so rushed.

[@madambutterfly1997]

How do you get redemption after committing the unforgivable? And what guarantee is there that you won’t commit an even more grievous sin in the future?

[@daweithisisdavidinmandarin6121]

Mini skirt for Arcueid is better. My problem with the last 6 movies from the Fate Series is that they do not capture the richness of the Lore and focus quite a lot on character. I understand that is a better commercial solution but not my preference. Nevertheless, I am always satisfied after watching these movies. Somehow, the studios always give me a wink; some scene or moment so beautiful that I smile and think, they dont have the budget but they know I am watching.

[@Flaris]

I just can't think too positively about this one even considering what it did well. The movie looks good and at least they gave Bedivere a good chance to shine. And Mash vs Lancelot was plenty entertaining. So it's not like they didn't do anything well. But I think the movie did more harm than good. It doesn't really fit within the overall narrative of the part 1 story or the other animated arcs. Why the heck would King Hassan show up in Babylonia based on this movie? His only interactions were with Bedivere and I'm pretty sure he wasn't present for it. Camelot doesn't exist in a vacuum. It doesn't have to fit everything in, but it shouldn't create plot holes. Plus it just made the Knights really underwhelming. There was so much hate with Nero vs Gawain in different stories, but apparently none with Bedivere soloing Gawain. Apparently that was fine. And the poor characters that got cut entirely from the story. I just feel like more FGO anime need to look at Babylonia. Adapt the darn story! Camelot would have been a really good anime. Just make it a tv series and give it some room to breathe. Then it could have built nicely up to the Babylonia anime and with Solomon (while not perfect) existing then you've got a steady string of FGO anime to enjoy. But instead Camelot is messy. Could have been great.

[@bakaiserroshimama2970]

Although the adaptation was without doubt a complete mess it was definitely enjoyable especially with the fight scene my favorite being Mordred vs Xuanzang and Bedivere vs Gawain. Cant wait for your review on Solomon.

[@michaelatlas2341]

Have you ever done dubs for any anime? You really have the voice to do any protagonist, secondary character or maybe even villain

[@otakudaikun]

I bet I could do a wicked villain.

[@gudakoalter]

in my honest opinion. both camelot movies are serviceable but did not deliver the epicness of camelot in game. they should have made it a trilogy

[@lucadomenichini4926]

Will you update the Fate/Grand Order Lore - Camelot video with the two movies' animated scenes?

[@otakudaikun]

Probably not. I'd rather make new content.

[@alphariusomegon7374]

Well it's better then the first one. Also Mordreds gift is more like a curse

[@SK-yx7hm]

They just need to keep all fate adaptations as tv series now, its clear the writers or whoever cant be trusted to cut so much shit. I was so pissed after they cut so much from solomon, and same with the Atlas institute and Holmes being cut here.

[@SN27671]

It feels like these movies were specifically made for people who either knew the story already or at least have a deep understanding of fate and its servants like mordred. In my opinion this movie would have been perfect as the finale of a trilogy instead.

[@darknessknows1235]

tbh that should never really be a question. It seems very clear that all FGO adaptions, whether it be the manga or otherwise, is different from say, Zero or FSN in that it's much more for the sake of deepening the mobage story for the fans.

[@userlpI13645]

As someone who hasn't played fgo and only have a bare bones understanding of fgo's overall story. I liked the Camelot movies way more than the Babylonian show. Then again, Im biased towards artoria's stories.

[@otakudaikun]

I see. I can't understand why.

[@userlpI13645]

@@otakudaikunIt's probably a very subjective thing. I liked the quick pace of Camelot over the slower slice of life style of Babylonia. Camelot does need more time to explain different character motivations or any sorta context like you said. I had to fill in the blanks myself with lore videos.

[@benjamindonahue9434]

Fair to say if this weren't FATE or I hadn't played the game I would hate these movies. The portayal of Sanzang by far being my biggest issue, she didn't even feel like the same character. Also hate that they got rid of 100 Personas and Shelock, changed the introduction to King Hassan, got rid of the bit with Ozy getting his head cut off, and the over use free falling combat scenes. AND WHERE THE HELL DID THAT HORSE COME FROM!? Only good parts were some fight scenes. Mash vs Lancelot, and Bedivere vs Lanturia being the best, with Hassans vs Tristan being good, and Mordred vs Sanzang being a surprisingly good ad. Otherwise this is trash

[@pranavshinde4472]

Atleast not everyone has saber faces

[@otakudaikun]

I resent that lol

[@luma6733]

Good movie but not very good adaptation would be the best description i could give to camelot 2

[@frogking307]

If given more time I would’ve liked sanzang vs mordred more than her death at the gate.

[@arahaitham123]

As Lancelot fan, I am still confused on what happen to him in the end.

[@otakudaikun]

In the game I think he died fighting Agravain.

[@arahaitham123]

@@otakudaikun probably same in the movie, but his fight got animated & they skip his dead instead. Man they did him dirty. Would be good if he get his redemption arc, especially with Mash there. This is the only reason I can't put Camelot that high on my list.

[@vicount3944]

@@arahaitham123 They didn't show his death in the game either.

[@arahaitham123]

@@vicount3944 Exactly. The game version is even worse, they show him surprised by Agravain's skill, but just skip what happen to him. When the movie shown their battle, I have high hopes, but they just write him off again hanging like that.

[@HonoMaki4Ever]

Am i the only person who genuinely enjoyed these movies? Like yes they couldve been better i still felt like this was really good and i do know how different it is from the original as i play the game but when the confirmed the 2 movies i already knew we werent gonna get that

[@otakudaikun]

I still think even with 2 movies they could have gotten the facts straight. I'd prefer that to a good chunk of the Gawain fight.

[@HonoMaki4Ever]

@@otakudaikun i agree i think the gawain fight and the aggravain fight went on far too long

[@vla1ne]

The problem of the camelot movie (2) is that it had insane fight _animation,_ but it has almost 0 fight *choreography* by the end. the story is poorly adapted, and continues the erasure of several characters that the first movie ignored. The movie removes a LOT of discussions that were neccecary to the story and characters, and that lack of discussion/characters is what hurts this story so much. The discussions make the characters, and the fight scenes help make them memorable.

[@vicount3944]

0 choreography? Are you blind, mate? Did you forget Bedi's fights were the last ones? The choreography in those fights is great. Do you even know what that word means?

[@vla1ne]

@@vicount3944 do you? Explain where the hell lancelots horse even came from, where any aspect of the mordred/sanzang fight made sense, what moves were where in the Tristan fight, the list goes on. Bedivere battles were arguably the closest ones to choreography bar the mash/lancelot battle, but that does not excuse anything about all of the other fights. The moves looked pretty, but go and research them, there was virtually nothing about those fights that made them work besides the fluid animation. Look at the babylonia/Solomon fight animations and compare those to the camelot fights. Yeah the camelot fights were pretty, but they were terribly choreographed.

[@vicount3944]

@@vla1ne This is whataboutsim. You're not proving me that there was any bad choreography. Go learn what choreography is. A horse coming out of nowhere is not "bad choreography". Stop wasting my time.

[@vla1ne]

@@vicount3944 where is the whataboutism? I pointed out several bad fight scenes in the movie that I said had many bad fight scenes. The scenes I pointed out were the "highlight" fights of the movie as a matter of fact. the only reason I haven't said anything about the bedivere ones is because i don't think they were _as_ bad and I felt no need to be a snob about it. But fine. Let's begin: Explain to me how any action in the lancelot/agarvain fight was well choreographed. Within the entirety of the fight, there was not a horse in sight, the literal land breaks, the castle turns into a 3d puzzle, and all of a sudden a horse appears out of nowhere that can somehow gallop straight to agarvain despite there being not a single piece of land that could feasibly hold a horse and That horse not being in any aspect of lancelots legend. That is to say nothing of the jump cuts that lead to moments where there is 0 semblance of flow in the fight. They go from a veranda to a sky puzzle with barely a few proper scenes invetween (I know rhongo is the cause, but it does exactly squat to excuse the fight as a whole), they summon things that have 0 business being there, and the entirety of the fight has no coherence besides looking pretty. Compare that to the Solomon movie, where alexander and his horse move in ways that even if superhuman, are motioned and choreographed properly. You can follow the whole fight and not have to question how or why anyone is where they are, or how/why they got there. Next example: mordred vs sanzuang, did you even watch that fight? There were almost 0 moments that weren't either a flurry of cuts, or too close to actually tell what was being done at what time. To say nothing of how the fight straight up ignores the canon line of events, the only thing good I can say about the fight is that despite the motions being incomprehensible, the fight looked pretty. It is that simple. _you_ came to _my_ comment acting like you knew anything about choreography, yet have not even once given any explanation as to how or why you think the fights flowed properly. Watch babylonia, solomon, HF, UBW, even extra or apocrypha, and come back and tell me that the camelot fights in movie two were choreographed properly. Congrats, the basic swordfights were done somewhat decently (and I am ony granting that because I don't feel like going back to pick them apart proper), any of the other fate series have sword fights that can blow them out of the water in choreography, and most even have better animation. you know that the rest were completely terrible in terms of anything bar animation. Don't waste *my* time.

[@atpr3241]

I appreciate artistic liberty more than in-game accuracy precisely because this movie was wacky. It was a new trip as a veteran Fate fan while also being oddly accurate in areas you wouldn't expect(Xuanzang's 2nd NP, Gawain's gift, Lancelot's fighting style, etc). I don't hold Solomon that highly in comparison because it wants to make you feel emotional even though it didn't earn it. No singularities 1-5 and the teams for Cloverworks/Production I.G didn't coordinate the differences in their adaptations. So Solomon gives us the climax of Mash's character, all these voiceless servants, an MC with blanket motivation carried by the stories themes and uses that as a compelling narrative? I'm sorry but it's not. It's emotionaless precisely because Solomon is that type of story that requires the build up. It's not self contained like Camelot or Babylonia. Every FGO adaptation I'd catered to gamers but I feel like Solomon is the worst offender

[@otakudaikun]

Yes, Solomon definitely requires having played the game. That said, I think it's a damn good adaptation considering it would seem just as "unearned" if you played only that section of the game.

[@atpr3241]

@@otakudaikun it's totally worth it for players but also by the numbers if that makes sense.

[@skeletonnoise6178]

Even if it’s a mess I’m still gonna simp for Artoria lancer. Not into the whole 15 year old body

[@otakudaikun]

Base Artoria looks plenty adult to me, but I'm glad you like her lancer form.

[@skeletonnoise6178]

@@otakudaikun I don’t know man, there’s many girls at my high school who have that same look as Artoria

[@TheManastein]

@Meatler Wow anime girls go to your school!?

[@skeletonnoise6178]

@@TheManastein No, green eyed blond girls

[@vicount3944]

@@skeletonnoise6178 Because only blonde green eyed girls can be 15... lmao.

[@lolahahaa1376]

I liked it a lot better than the first movie. It was a 7.5/10 for me

[@mariapazgonzalezlesme]

The whole Camelot Arc could had worked better as a series rather than a movie.

[@TheManastein]

I think everything after The American singularity should have more of a show runtime than movie

[@vladimirovna2478]

While the Camelot movie looks cool, it only cements my disappointment in majority of the animated arcs of fgo, and makes me wish more for a TV series for each arc like Babylonia got. If fgo was a long running show, I think it could've been one of the greatest animate juorneys since one piece, without the length of course.

[@noindamster3581]

I warched both. As much as I enjoyed anime fights The second movie was great. For me ; Camelot movie was special because it involves characters who are already been animated in other fate works. (Apocrypha , extra , stay night). This movie was better than first one. And for scenes like Sanzang vs Mordred and Artoria and Bedi dialogue-fight and Ozy being as stubborn as Gil , I liked this movie more than Solomon one.

[@PEDROGARCIA-qj3gr]

Kinda cause Solomon and first order are more adaptation by obligation the FO was the introduction to FGO and and Solomon the continuation of Babylon, I hope they don't decide make the same with shingyoku, I really want an adaption where they show both true alters personalities, you know something more than just stabbing people like in HF.

[@desmondmalone438]

8:33 yeah there embracing the non-canoness of this movie more and more

[@NekoKat.]

I was really excited to see the second half since they made such a mess of the fist part. I honestly thought they'd learn from there mistakes not repeat some and make new one😢 They had the opportunity to blow our fgo minds but sadly no. Don't get me wrong I definitely enjoyed it for what it was a movie, as Dai puts it "a beautiful mess" but as an adaptation of part of an existing epic story it fell way short. I had to watch it twice just so I could make sure I was as disappointed as I thought I was. I think on this one they need to prove there civilization to Altera

[@spartansoldier1174]

There was 2 camolot movies? When this happen!?

[@otakudaikun]

It was announced as such from the start.

[@spartansoldier1174]

@@otakudaikun damn. I just remember them announcing a adaptation of the camelot in movie form and waiting for it to come to US theater.Did it get released to movie theaters here?😅

[@otakudaikun]

@@spartansoldier1174 Nope. They just went to Crunchyroll.

[@spartansoldier1174]

@@otakudaikun ahh that makes sense how it slipped by me.😅 appreciate the info

[@kevinchong5424]

I would have been ok without a few of fights in the later half of the film, especially Lancelot vs Agravain, main reason being it lacking of emotional weight. Also the lack of time to let things sink in. You have basically up to 5 battles happening at once with several emotional self sacrifices that we as viewers don’t get to reflect on, let alone mourn. It’s a sad disservice to the otherwise great characters. For characters like Mordred, it is a really missed chance to experience their multiple facets. If you play the game you have London Mordred to compare with, but if you only watch Apocrypha, you don’t get much extra character depth from the films

[@thepokemontrainer6094]

The Camelot films might not be the best out of the series however, let me tell you that I love divine realm of the round table. Also the soundtrack is just amazing, lots of the songs don’t feel like fate especially the first one it feels like I’m at a old cathedral or something. Especially the song Comrades/Conflict. However with this new film the soundtrack sucks and it’s made Keita Haga. This new film soundtrack and film has got to be the worse I’ve ever listened and seen. I’m sorry but theirs just so many problems that I disliked about this film and it felt rushed to be honest. It just wasn’t as good as the one i mentioned. I love keita hagas music but seeing this makes me think that he didn’t even try to make a good soundtrack.

[@A_itsar]

Camelot was pretty good imo, then again I can't play fgo in my country and using a vpn is a bother

[@notbadrule9883]

Do you know Apkpure? Even without VPN, you can download the game from there and play it even if it is not available in your country. Or use Ldplayer, Bluestack or Noxplayer to play it on pc.

[@desmondmalone438]

9:44 🥰🥰🥰

[@MrDarksol]

This movie feels like the same type of mess the 1st one was except the difference is this has a couple of fight scenes that are great but the logic is really really really really really really thrown out the window. It just feels like that they had ideas but didn't know how to do them and didn't want to follow what the game did but instead just made up stuff as they went along with it and made the plot feel empty, like their viewers didn't have patience. Again, some of the fights, including the last fight, are awesome but others just needed more time to be at that same level of good. Plus, big boobie monk once again had no real arc or purpose in this version of events apart from her cool fight with Mordred and it was just a huge waste. Overall, it sounds like they did improve on things, but logic, plot and character development were tossed around so much. At this point, I might go back and play the mobile game because these anime adaptations, with the exception of Babylonia, have been getting worse and worse. Nice video all the same and as least it gave me Mordred vs. Sanzang!

[@nicholase82]

Where can you find these and are they dub.

[@otakudaikun]

Crunchyroll and currently sub only.

[@aredjayc2858]

IMO good overall but not great

[@frogking307]

Babylonia is by no means a perfect adaptation final couple of episodes being rushed and the tone of some scenes being completely different. I can also understand what the reviewer meant by stale, The big problem being the mc.

[@otakudaikun]

I guess we disagree then. I don't feel it was rushed at all.

[@laelhochberg9497]

Ok, this question I have has nothing to do with Camelot. But what if FGO had a collaboration with Requiem Of The Rose King by Aya Kanno? Imagine what would happen in the story if something like that was created.

[@otakudaikun]

I can't say I know what that is.

[@thesunking7365]

I feel like the Camelot movies were made for people who have already played the game.

[@TheManastein]

I’m pretty sure they were

[@atpr3241]

Every FGO anime is. They're just adapting the stories players liked the best

[@vicount3944]

Sister, they literally had a poll on which chapters to adapt. Babylonia got 1st place and Camelot got 2nd. The adaptations are fundamentally for the players. This ain't no huge revelation.

[@3dark7]

I agree with the first part, Arcueid both versions can get it!😏😉

[@setsunakyuuki4369]

12:33 wait hold on second you're telling me they took out Camelot zero unacceptable.

[@vicount3944]

Camelot Zero wasn't even in the game, jimmy. Ironically, there's more of it in the movie than in the game.

[@setsunakyuuki4369]

@@vicount3944 yeah one scene that's it polish man.

[@vicount3944]

@@setsunakyuuki4369 Which is, again, more than what the game had. lmao. Cry harder.

[@setsunakyuuki4369]

@@vicount3944 mock me all you want but my favorite chapter of the game was ruined by what a crappy production team.

[@vicount3944]

@@setsunakyuuki4369 your favorite chapter is still there Stop crying My favorite chapter doesn't even have an adaptation, lmao.

[@whendarknessfalls6969]

Adopting the stage play of Camalot, not the games.

[@otakudaikun]

That doesn't make it any better.

[@whendarknessfalls6969]

@@otakudaikun just because they're wrong, doesn't mean you're right!! Lol yeah it's just an excuse to not go all out 😔 definitely needed 3 movies or a series. Great video and really appreciated the Tsukihime series!!

[@eli-boy7473]

I think the writing in Fate/Go is already too sloppy and contrived for any adaptation of those stories to cut on the logic even more. Camelot was probably the best Singularity in terms of writing in the game (before lostbelt), featuring very little of Fate/Gos tendency for asspulls, but the anime was so weird that even as a hardcore fate fan it was hard to enjoy past the exitement of seeing Serenity-chan animated.

[@IamayMizono]

I really don't care for when studios go for that exaggerated art style. Yes on a technical level the animation is more impressive, but it's so ugly I can't enjoy it. Babylonia's animation was perfect. It looked good and the quality never dropped, except in a couple fights which I found very distracting. How much more epic would Quetzal's meteor drop have been if the animation didn't make her look so ugly. And she moved in a very odd and unnatural way. Yes she is a flaming meteor falling from the sky, but I had to watch the scene a couple times to make sure her arms weren't rotating 360 degrees at the elbow. And for as awesome as that scene is, I don't feel comfortable showing it to my friends because of how misshapen Fujimaru's face is. But that's just me, I'll take the babalonia anime any day over the Camelot movies. Also super disappointed to not see Sherlock Holmes. When I found out he was in the Camelot arc I was so looking forward to seeing him.

[@RiosWong]

To be honest I don't like both the Camelot and Babylonia anime. Camelot is easy to explain. Everything from the story the character and the animation. Nothing works for me. Would much rather rewatch the game. Babylonia is a bit difficult. There are stuff I love in it. There are also stuff I fucking hated it. As far as the story. I love they give Leonidas a lot more dialogue and action. Even thought I have some problem with how they change the fight with Quetzalcoatl and Ereshkigal. I still enjoy the show...right up until King Hassan show up. King Hassan is one of my favourite character in FGO. And to say they did him dirty is being polite. It completely broke the show for me with that final fight. And the animation is okay some time but hard to watch in others. But that is like standard for anime now days. So I can't really bitch about it too much

[@otakudaikun]

How did they do King Hassan dirty?

[@RiosWong]

@@otakudaikun Well, in Camelot he barely have any screen time. While in the game,he actually is a very menacing presence. And take on Gawain one on one. Even after he got the sun buff back, King Hassan still didn't give two shit about it. That's how badasa he is. And in Badylonia...his entrance at the end is extremely awesome. I"ll give the show that. But in the next episode he not only got a graphic downgrade. He really didn't do shit other that one hit on Tiamat. They won't even show he beat the shit of the 11 child. And at the final fight...they make him USE HIS MOUTH!!! WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK!!!! I also like to add that Gilgamesh return at the end is soooooo anticlimactic. They even cut out his awesome speech toward Tiamat. And didn't use the special NP line he have in the game! I just don't care about FGO anime after these two. Call me when they are finally doing a summer special

[@Prof.SqueakyTits]

Seeing Da Vinci "die" was the reason why I pulled so hard for her at the first opportunity. Then suddenly seeing she was alright the whole time...I felt like I baited myself. Definitely an awkward first SSR story.

[@poplarz3060]

I actually watched both movies but, damn do the camelot movies make me appreciate the camelot singularity a lot more before I only considered it that difficulty spike singularity that you have to be prepared for unless you wanna get your ass handed to you by Gawain But the movie, really forced me to pay attention to the story it was trying to tell and do I love the story of Bedivere returning to camelot to finally put Artoria to rest after failing to do so after the Battle of Camlann The animation and action scenes were a big part of it but seeing Bedivere have a panic attack after he learned that the reason Artoria become the Lion King and is going to doom humanity because of him that really hit me These movies aren't going to top the Kara no Kyoukai series for me but I keep it on me, so I may rewatch it another time I think the camelot movies were enjoyable but not the best The CloverWorks animations are clearly better but I never really like the artstyle clover works has, though I do enjoy their adaptation of Babylonia oh and also, Agravains piano track, is SO DAMN GOOD its the best music track I've heard from FGO that isn't Absym Decadence that was used for the TVCM of Kama's event

[@ramu6403]

Camelot 2 was definitely better than camelot 1 but it was a huge disappointment nevertheless

[@veselinkaraivanov5026]

Wasn't the CumAlot movies based on the stage performance ?

[@otakudaikun]

I guess? Seems pretty loose if so.

[@axelnetzahualcoyotl5223]

That review bad-mouthing the reasons why the babylonia anime is much better than the camelot movies sounds really dumb to be honest,but well,to each their own.

[@frogking307]

I understand their points. While it didn’t ruined it for me the adaptation is rather safe sometimes in a bad way. The overall adaptation is good but how the mc is handled, rushed end, and some tonal differences are some pretty big problems.

[@axelnetzahualcoyotl5223]

@@frogking307 are you talking about the movies?,because yes,these adaptations are really rushed.

[@frogking307]

@@axelnetzahualcoyotl5223 oh I was talking about some of the problems with Babylonia. After quetz np the end was pretty rushed. Besides that I wanted to like Camelot more than Babylonia since it’s my favorite singularity but since the movies are so rushed I can’t.

[@axelnetzahualcoyotl5223]

@@frogking307 ahh,I see.

[@vicount3944]

That review is talking about the work put into the animation itself. Babylonia is stale except for some outstanding episodes like episode 18.

[@aminebachir3394]

Good animation... Bad pacing, should have been 3 movies😅🙂

[@frogking307]

I don’t think Camelot is long enough for three films. Just increasing the run time on both should have worked. Or you you know and anime series.

[@setsunakyuuki4369]

Let me say this what's a disgrace to Camelot my favorite chapter in fgo damn that studio to bankruptcy

[@TheManastein]

At least it was very well animated and had good fight scenes

[@setsunakyuuki4369]

@@TheManastein okay I agree with that but everything else blasphemy.

[@frogking307]

Don’t blame the studio blame dw for deciding to make Camelot a movie.

[@setsunakyuuki4369]

@@frogking307 mr. Frogger sorry to burst your bubble but d.w. doesn't exist anymore new studio.

[@frogking307]

@@setsunakyuuki4369 I know but when this movie was being made it was still dw calling the shots.