FIDE and Magnus Are Both Wrong

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[@EdwardD-q5p]

Ben is ahead of the curve, as he streams without any pants on.

[@kniter]

Soon to be the spearpoint of the no shirt movement

[@khann2159]

@@EdwardD-q5p I LMAO with your comment Sir 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@FuzzyHeart-l3o]

Indeed a man with principles

[@suyashsngh250]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 I laughed so hard at this comment

[@cw9282]

How do you know his thing is curved?

[@synchronium24]

I'm actually glad that FIDE enforces their dress code equally. The problem is that their dress code is pretty much universally despised by the players. And unlike most players, Magnus has the finances and leverage to tell them to shove it.

[@davidpatenaude9378]

Good easy digestible take. I agree.

[@jan_Kilan]

fair

[@andrewthompson10]

FIDE doesn't enforce their dress code equally.

[@GamuSino-dp2pr]

I'm genuinly curious of why there is a dress code at all. Is there any logical reason for it? Genuinely asking,

[@LucidKDB]

@synchronium24 well said. Being forced to dress like you're going to a private school must be frustrating. Comfort should be the priority

[@mihajlodimitrijevic796]

-How are you so handsome...? -Very suspicious.

[@AdmiralAverage01]

🤣🤣☠☠

[@renashbellrn]

That's Kramnik starting the allegation.

[@paper_gem]

Everyone is wrong except for me. Always remember that, people.

[@virtuafighter3]

Convincing.

[@DennisGr]

i feel the same way so i have to like this comment.

[@smort123]

The truth hurts

[@youtubeviolatedme7123]

Normally I would disagree but your argument was so compelling

[@patrickmarshall6594]

Two wrongs some people say make a right. So I guess if you're always right and everyone else is wrong, just make sure there aren't two of those people.

[@Amitkbe]

"People who want to be in powerful positions are the people who are in powerful positions and think they are important in chess as opposed to who the best people are to be in those positions so if you get too many of those people then the organisation doesn't run well" That's a great analysis and kind of overview that can apply to a lot of different fields and organisations which governs different things whenever you see a stupid decisions being made by organisation I think you can just think that status is at play there power play the roll as similar as status

[@crazydavec3861]

The above for sure - I've been in a great many meetings in a good few organisations where we know what the topic is supposed to be - but the real topic is "who the boss is and who needs to know it" - and crazy decisions over sensible ones for the sole reason of preventing the person with the sensible idea from becoming too influential. 👍

[@DelFlo]

It's the whole problem with the nation state isn't it? The people who would actually be fit to lead don't want to.

[@cw9282]

Hey Ben, I think you're wrong. Please pin this.

[@bigmeandaddy]

@@cw9282 I think this guy is wrong.

[@etherr69]

@@cw9282 🤣🤣🤣

[@PixelPioneer37]

@@cw9282 It feela like begging fr 😭🙏

[@hmatisse3300]

It’s not Gotham Chess, bozzo, lol. You’re the one who’s wrong.

[@stephencampbell2018]

@@cw9282 translation...'Ben would dust me in 10 moves.'

[@packno1729]

Happy that everyone!

[@marcinz.3570]

0:21 that applies for pretty much everything, not just FIDE and USCF

[@musatebi486]

Ben, please happy Saturnalia, also happy Festivus for the rest of us!

[@SideStrafed]

Magnus even said he doesn’t cared if he’s wrong. He wasn’t gonna back down and neither did FIDE

[@vigilante8374]

Correct, except for one thing.

[@dmitripogosian5084]

Somehow Magnus gets into these stories when he plays subpar. Loss to Nieman, loss to Lazavik triggers him. I guess he preferred to be kicked out than finish rapids in 40+ position

[@mrstutoring]

Yes I suspect Magnus took this as an opportunity to bow out instead of finishing in a terrible spot. He was probably already thinking of withdrawing, but this opportunity came as a gift.

[@runa000]

yup, sore loser

[@jarvisbrandt5309]

The decision of threatening to disqualify and then to actually disqualify him was taken by FIDE. To threaten people before their game itself is nefarious. Magnus has proven himself over and over again that he is a beast. You are just projecting your own mentality here.

[@gerrycrisandy2425]

Lmao no. Why would Magnus told FIDE that he’d make sure not to play in jeans the following day if he wanted out? It’s very simple. FIDE threatened that Magnus would not get paired for the ninth game unless he changed before the game and Magnus deems it as a move from FIDE to flex their authority. A rule is a rule but a pair of jeans affecting the result of a game is silly.

[@tmspironic6422]

@@gerrycrisandy2425 you think that Magnus didn’t know about the jeans rule? Smells real fishy in Magnus’ side …

[@ArranVid]

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, Mr. Benjamin Finegold!

[@jogzyg2036]

Magnus has always admired Fischer, now that he's surpassed him on the board, he's got to reach the same standard of shenanigans off the board.

[@chilogutierrez695]

Lol. No. He is starting to see how right Fischer was..... About everything

[@sabotagefate69]

​@@chilogutierrez695no, he's fides bitch. He was gonna lose anyways this was a publicity stunt and nothing more

[@monarkjain613]

Calling this off the board shenanigans just shows that you don't understand at all what the players have to deal with when it comes to fide officials.

[@42617a]

@@chilogutierrez695 no

[@chilogutierrez695]

@42617a Yes. Lol. That's why he he said he is done with fide

[@demianschultz3749]

Happy holidays to you too Ben

[@AustinMulkaMusic]

Magnus doesn’t even like Fide. He didn’t want to do the tournament in the first place. He doesn’t care. He showed up because he was being nice, and he didn’t feel like leaving to go change. He wasn’t doing well in the tournament to begin with. So, he’s just like, fine I’ll leave. I didn’t want to be here anyway. Like, don’t give someone who doesn’t like you and doesn’t want to be there in the first a reason to leave.

[@lordblanck7923]

Nice ? 😂 What a dumb comment. Dude he is a chess player not a soccer player...where else would he go if not in a world championship

[@erlendsteren9466]

@@lordblanck7923 He could go to a sunny resort. He can play chess over the board, or somewhere else (on the internet).

[@therealdealblues]

FIDE has been wrong for the chess community for a very, very long time. This had nothing to do with a pair of jeans. I hope another organization crops up and takes the Top 25-50 players in the world with them, and actually puts the players first and actively seeks to help them and properly grow the chess community to be more inclusive.

[@answeris4217]

I personally think that dress codes are very bad in 2024... I mean he isn't going to a game naked and if they want to wear clothing that makes them look like bums then let them look like bums. The old saying that you look good you feel good you play good works for everything and to me Jeans is what I call casual. It's not PJ's... It's regular street clothing. And Ben the GM Ben... that Ben is right... People who want power will do anything to have power over other people and to me that is what happened here. Nobody with a sober mind cares that Magnus was wearing jeans.

[@CrazyLinguiniLegs]

1. Magnus should have changed. 2. Fide should have fined him for each game but still let him play. It’s not like he was wearing an ugly Christmas sweater with blinking lights or a MAGA hat or something. They should have this policy with every player. Not distracting? Ok, you get fined each game but you still get to play.

[@jasonuerkvitz3756]

Ben just described global politics in a nutshell. Isn't this what led to Socrates drinking hemlock?

[@chrismatheson4729]

The issue isn't the rule, it's the punishment. The punishment does not fit the crime.

[@cool908]

Good point.

[@TheNameOfJesus]

The punishment was $200 plus get dressed with compliant attire. Isn't Magnus worth $10 million?

[@chrismatheson4729]

@@TheNameOfJesus Punishment included forfeiting a round. I guess you wanted to leave out all the facts.

[@sabotagefate69]

except a five second Google search pre and post maggy waggys breakdown proves you factually wrong. Enjoy lying for fun or stupid enough to believe the people lying about this. Magnus still could have come back later rounds if he changed, he refused. He chose to be done, no one else made his decision.

[@Fouriersuir]

@@TheNameOfJesus But what if you’re a low rated player struggling to meet ends? It’s hard enough buying tickets to fly to New York and having a hotel which is expensive in Wall Street area. You also have to pay a lot for a decent atire and then travel fees. It’s hard enough for the semi pro players and even most pro players outside top 50.

[@theodentherenewed4785]

Happy Birthday! That's the one you didn't say, it must be someone's birthday now.

[@tury99]

Magnus showing Americans what freedom is.

[@synchronium24]

FIDE and the players in the tournament are international.

[@Daisy_3011]

FIDE's president is a former deputy PM of russia.

[@looinrims]

You mean a guy is so rich that he doesn’t care what the rules are?

[@jarvisbrandt5309]

@@looinrims If he didn't care about rules, you think he could ever master chess? The game of chess is full of rules and he plays it beautifully. These organizations huddle up and play with money and insert politics. They spoil the game.

[@kindlingking]

@@jarvisbrandt5309 what? Why are you equating the rules of sport etiquette with THE RULES OF THE GAME THEY PLAY? Yeah of course Magnus follows the rules how pawns and knights move, how to checkmate and what castling is, the point is about not following regulations surrounding the game, which has nothing to do with how good you are. Fischer was one of the best chess players ever and yet he had constant conflicts with FIDE, demanding exceptions to the rules and overall special treatment. This is where Magnus seems to be headed to as well.

[@troygainer3741]

The pieces are naked, they should be banned.

[@GJSINNWWW]

He took the fine, apologized, and came up with a solution that should have worked for everyone. With FIDE threatening everyone involved with freestyle chess lately, Magnus probably didn't need much to cut ties altogether. Making him leave the venue and lose all of his focus in a tournament that wasn't going that great for something as trivial as fashion was pretty redacted, though.

[@franklinturtle9849]

How could you forget Festivus!? That will be a part of the airing of grievances!

[@Gogu_Duru]

Happy that to you too.

[@TheChessPlayer1956]

Well said Ben. Magnus certainly had the right to choose. The F-bomb was in poor taste in my opinion. Nevertheless, I'm no fan of FIDE. Authority is fine, but authorities should also give fair hearing to those they serve top. Enough said.

[@nbeqo]

"Jeans are -generally- not allowed" is not a policy, it's either they are allowed or not.

[@ETBrooD]

God the chess world is in dire need of a good ol' Fide removal.

[@ricardoalves3475]

Happy that for you too, Ben!

[@bigerrol6943]

I wish there was a stream link or maybe a day counter, so we can watch the stream he says these stuff in

[@cecilasen]

I feel like magnus would make for one of the best crazy ex-world champion yappers when he gets old

[@TheoTugnao]

If Carlsen is done with FIDE, he should PROVE it by RELINQUISHING whatever contract he has with FIDE. Carlsen should also RELINQUISH his FIDE GM title, FIDE world ranking, FIDE ELO rating

[@ThunderChickenBucket]

what a time to wear pants,

[@Knowledge.to_Come]

What Magnus won’t make off the tournament, he will make it instead off of the social media attention.

[@JohnSmith-fe5br]

As the big crybaby he is.

[@con_el_maestro3544]

It would be a GM Fen Binegold videos if he didn't mention how suspiciously handsome he was lol😂... But on a serious note all this drama only exist because 2 parties who think chess can't exist without them can't get along because of their egos

[@ilmikingo]

... and make some billion bucks on top of the games...

[@erlendsteren9466]

Magnus is the current superstar because he has everything, including a strong ego.Thats how some of the greatest artist in history are wired. I dont have an ego of that class. If I had I would have been a GM now and a photo artist with pictures on the big museums all over the world. We shouldappreciate Magnus as he is and understand that when there is strong light, there will be shadows.

[@erlendsteren9466]

I think Magnus got angry, and that getting him angry was a bad tactical move from FIDE. A blunder. In history there are four legends that stands out. Paul Morphy, Bobby Fischer, Garry Kasparov and Magnus Carlsen. Only one of them was attending this FIDE-show, and its a bad thing to make him angry. If FIDE had discussed the sitution with Stockfish, I think Stockfish would have advised them to let the players wear sneakers and jeans, and to give players armageddon after 4 or 6 extragames ending equal.

[@salimoneus]

if John Fetterman can wear sweats and a hoodie on the US SENATE floor, Magnus should certainly be able to wear jeans FFS

[@JohnSmith-fe5br]

Not according to the rules. Which is why Magnus got kicked out.

[@JonBestSpiritualCoachonEarth]

Thoughtful, Happy Chanukah!

[@anvb5a1]

Fide is bad and it should feel bad! Frankly? Terrible! I thought you would be happier that "somebody" took some cheap shots at Fide, which is obviously what Magnus is doing!

[@mothecat776]

Happy Festivess for the Rest of Us

[@ats89117]

Ben skipped Festivus! A Festivus for the rest of us!

[@brianrountree4499]

Puts on the wrong pair of pants for a _Rapid_ event. Only a chess player would call "touch move" in that situation!

[@ChillWebDeveloper]

thank you ben! Happy THAT!

[@deejkeithanmusic]

Mags acted like a child. How much privilege does one have to acquire over a life time to behave this way as an adult?

[@jasonuerkvitz3756]

Oh, and thank you, Ben. Merry Christmas and happy Hanukkah to you and your family, sir. Happy New Year.

[@thinboxdictator6720]

Happy 2035!

[@mothertrucker-u9m]

This can be applied to any organization.

[@mrs9305]

Just don't sign up for the tournament if you don't agree with the rules. Simple.

[@sparksdrinker5650]

It was intentional. Magnus is playing chess while FIDE is playing checkers.

[@RobsMiscellania]

@@sparksdrinker5650 As much as I can agree with FIDE being led by dunces, it really isn't that hard to follow the rules. There isn't a reason in the world why I should know the rules of chess better than a world champion, but I demonstrably do, as do thousands and thousands of other competitive chess tournament players. And if he does know those rules, and is willfully breaking them anyway, then he is automatically violating the rule about not behaving in a way that brings chess into disrepute. The tournament wouldn't be run without the organizers. One is obligated to abide by their rules, it's very simple to those who know how to play chess. Apparently Carlsen doesn't know how to play chess, as he's having a lot of difficulty with the rules, so I question your claim that he plays chess while FIDE plays checkers.

[@DesCoutinho-o6q]

​@@RobsMiscellaniaa little neurodivergent but ok

[@mmfvital]

Well, he was going to leave... Until they got on their knees and begged him to stay. Today he's going to play with jeans😂

[@dr.floridamanphd]

@@RobsMiscellania​​⁠ I disagree with your take. Magnus knows the rules as well as anyone. However, for this particular event, the language surrounding the wearing of jeans was vaguely written on FIDE’s website for this event. “Jeans are generally not considered to be business attire.” That means in some scenarios that jeans are considered to be business attire. FIDE failed to clarify here and the way they applied the rule on the dress code was not fairly enforced. I believe it was Nepo (please correct me if it wasn’t him) who was given a warning that his sweater was a uniform violation. He changed and that was that. However, with Magnus, they didn’t give him the same treatment. They waited until after the first game and immediately fined him. They didn’t give him a warning and tell him he needs to change before the next round or he’d be fined. They just slapped him with a fine on the spot instead of trying to correct it professionally before the first game. They then allowed him to be paired and play the second game. That’s when they demanded he change immediately or he wouldn’t be paired for the third game and would have to forfeit that round. FIDE’s approach with Magnus was unprofessional, very heavy handed, and at odds with their own rule about not bringing disrepute to the game. It’s no secret that FIDE’s CEO and Magnus have had some heat for a number of years now and this just brought everything from a simmer to a roiling boil and made headlines in mainstream news outlets that don’t traditionally cover chess. While I’m *not* saying that Magnus is 100% correct and blameless here, what I am saying is that FIDE went about this the wrong way and that Magnus’s reaction can be justified.

[@anandkulkarni2111]

Without rules slowly chaos will creep in and so will a lack of discipline. If FIDE did not enforce the law strictly on him on the spot and gave him time actually then I think they are correct and also practically generous. Now, if you disagree with the principle don't even come to the competitions. period!! no issue to stir in first place. Tomorrow somebody will say I am feeling like playing chess with only my undies on...then what will you do ?

[@brainwreck667]

happy all the things to you as well ben.

[@raantas946]

They're both wrong, they'd all wear shorts

[@GraemeCree]

This video doesn't say anything. FIDE and Magnus are both wrong but forgets to tell you what they're wrong about, or why they're wrong.

[@DylanJDeals]

I’ll publicly say; Chess is fun, but pro chess sucks , there’s drama, draws, seconds to help you win games, cheating, lawsuits, and it’s a board game lol, Magnus being dramatic, and FIDE also having a power trip. Maybe Ben should just say the more truthful thing which is everyone in chess ,almost all people, act like children

[@vibovitold]

If Magnus hadn't been (severely) underperforming in that championship, he would've just changed instead of being a drama queen about those jeans. Whether you like a dress code or not, when you knowingly enter an event with a certain dress code, stick to it. Or don't enter that event if you don't like the rules. I lost whatever little respect I had left for FIDE not because they enforced the rule, but because they backpedalled on it. If this were some random FM, people would expect that person to just suck it up (and rightly so). But Magnus is a big fish, so he's entitlted to special treatment. And people are cheering for that. Go figure. Then don't complain whenever the world outside of chess works in that exact way...

[@bruhhint]

I don’t 100% agree with him, but the plot twist ending had me in the floor 😂

[@douglaslarosa8782]

Isn't Krimbo a December thing as well! Happy that too! 😄

[@pj-guwg43Y]

Crynus is angry that a teenager wins world rapid too😂 Now he should go to random chess where he will not follow the rules and will move queen like knight😂

[@haps3000]

You forgot to say "Happy Winter Solstice". And just because you said "Happy xyz", it doesn't mean you can alter the course of future events to become more happy because that's not how cause and effect actually work. Saying it was a waste of time.

[@ianapps]

The argument could be made both ways, you could tell magnus to just simply change his clothes, or tell fide not to care

[@SigmaChuck]

Happy festivus

[@Shadogi]

As long as all of the jiggly bits are covered and players aren't wearing overtly inappropriate attire (racists symbols and the like) then they should get to wear what they want.

[@Yengi-cw2ox]

Would a Rod Hull safari suit be acceptable for fide?

[@TheSwiftCreek2]

Two things can be true at the same time.

[@fheflin21]

Ya got to take a side man. Don't cop out. It's a FIDE power play over the freestyle. If you don't agree then fine take the FIDE position. But everybody is wrong doesn't cut it

[@joylife428]

Fide can't change the rules in the middle of the tournament nor can bend the rules for magnus being a great player. Can't blame fide. Blame magnus for disrespecting the game and fide rules.😹😹😹

[@LiamborninDC]

You missed Festivus, so an airing of grievous must be to say that "happy that" just isn't good enough. This video must be redone.

[@Litwinel]

Magnus was wrong with not obeying the rules, FIDE was wrong with inappropriate punishment for disobeying the dress code rule. They fined him $200, they should have on the second time fined him $2000. Or cut his potential reward by 10%, or 25%, or whatever, really. Or give penalty to clock on next game, 1 minute, 3 minutes, but for fck sake, not withdrawal him from the game! Let people play chess, while enforce the minor rules with other means.

[@infidel-catto]

well i mean i don’t think Fischer would have wrangled over Wranglers jeans. so i reckon Carlsen has a long way to go still if he wants to reach Fischers level 😂

[@yotoober1]

If magis is tired of the non sense from FIDEY why didn't he do like Kaspraov did, unite his fellow GMs and reform the PCA/GMA org and he won't need FIDEY? (Professional Chess Association/Grandmaster's Association)

[@choco1101]

Beyond wrong, maybe there is progress?

[@wompastompa3692]

And a Happy That to you, too!

[@realshaolinprince]

Best take

[@jsj297]

F.R.I.E.S. Never has these problems

[@seansartor]

Was Magnus aware of the dress code b4 the tournament ?

[@TuxTuxedo-oc9kg]

he said he came rushing from dinner, not thinking about it. offered to come the next day in a suitable pants and was rejected. I think the fide rules state that as long as the jeans are not torn, they are allowed. But then the tournament is in the US, and there are no laws, there are only judgements.

[@theodoremercutio1600]

rare good take from ben finegold

[@chess_is_a_vibe]

Happy Kwanzaa thank you.

[@cjdlv8909]

You are wrong for reading dumb comments, Are you afraid to give your opinion? Or was your opinion both are wrong? If so, you're wrong again.

[@truebroyeti]

Everyone is wrong except Ben, the truth hurts

[@jandehn7288]

Magnus Carlsen has been kicked out of the Blitz and Rapid World Chress Championships for…wait for it…wearing jeans! It is fucking insane. FIDE’s rules are archaic and moronic. I would love to see all the other players wear jeans tomorrow in protest against FIDE.

[@koenigsegg77]

@@jandehn7288 No he has’nt. He walked out by himself, not willing to change to the dresscode.

[@death7920]

Chess player's get mad when they are getting old.

[@Rombizio]

Well Ben, Hikaru's opponent played wearing sneakers and was not told to change. According to Hikaru other players also broke the dress code on the same day and nothing happened.

[@ig2d]

All you used to do was put me down But I found a way to pick myself up off the ground And all you used to do was criticize me But now I found the good and I emphasize it see You would always get so sensitive And try to turn your transgressions into my guiltiness But now I'm certain of the way I live And what I'm responsible for in this twisted game

[@-_Nuke_-]

This is so unbelievably backwards from FIDE... Magnus is DECENTLY dressed... Everything fits really nicely... And lets be honest - Magnus is ALWAYS one of the most well dressed (if not THE most) of all players - ever in any tournament or championship... And here his jeans are of VERY good quality - the guy is a millionair - his jeans are probably expensive... So why all the fuzz? Simply because of the material? How would this fly if Magnus was a Woman? Everyone would be screaming how much they are bigots, and sexists (?) and we all know it... Magnus is in the right here - common sense should prevail... If I wear 1,000$ jeans - they are not really "jeans" - they are 1,000$ clothing that just happens to be made of a particular material...

[@gogogreengeneration]

Yea but, art and beauracrats don't mix well, but dressing professionally, in the eyes of the public, help to make it a profession. US players have always struggled to be treated professionaly. One rich player dissing the lesser mortals?

[@jamesduggan7200]

Happy HOlidays! Yes - take care

[@christopherherrmann921]

A wise, wise man...thanx for bringing some iq to this world!

[@dantemarcos1410]

Fine gold for chess president 😤👍

[@schlechtgut8349]

Happy that!

[@ArranVid]

I am on Magnus' side, there is nothing wrong with wearing jeans in a chess tournament...regardless of the level of chess tournament. Magnus just wanted to wear something comfortable so he chose jeans. FIDE's dress code is outdated and ridiculous.

[@Someone-hi1nt]

so youre agreeing that FIDE's wrong, cool, magnus also showed up wearing those knowing full well the rules and knowing that FIDE cant make a rule change mid tournament just to keep him in, or itd be even worse

[@ÉdouardBrasseur]

@@Someone-hi1nt no he forgot. He didnt wear jeans knowing it was against the rules. What i dont understand is jeans seems fine when you check fide's rules on the internet.

[@Saltywengiell]

@@ÉdouardBrasseur Rules between each tournaments vary, different dress code and such.

[@ÉdouardBrasseur]

@@Saltywengiell oh i see. Well it makes the DQ even more wrong.

[@Someone-hi1nt]

@@ÉdouardBrasseur magnus has been playing at world rapid and blitz for many years, yes hes aware of the rules even if he forgot about them for a brief moment, and he didnt comply with their asks even when he remembered (was told)... not defending the rule, but magnus is still absolutely in the wrong as well

[@ibotomilongjam-ho2ih]

Magnus is fired.

[@AlRask-j3b]

Yeah, right - both are wrong, it's Ben who is right; well, like he was right with Harris vs repubs; the King of Right; and left

[@Mathemagical55]

Magnus should have been disqualified years ago for the man-bun.

[@lucycat7585]

Why not just change pants? Takes 10 seconds. Issue resolved.

[@henryasher1920]

principles

[@looinrims]

Because money and fame infect people

[@PrometheanRising]

Because FIDE is trying to intimidate players to keep them from playing in the tournament that Magnus is organizing?

[@jarvisbrandt5309]

What next? Change panties?

[@ΓιωργοςΚ-ρ6κ]

@@lucycat7585 because he had to run to his hotel in 3am to do that.Thats why he said that he will change tomorrow

[@koenigsegg77]

When you want a neutral wiew, always listen to Ben. He’s not anyones fanboy

[@King.Mark.]

He should come out in a dress next time am sure they can not say anything 😂 Ho and happy ,happy day Ben and family 👍

[@dark_magician_sdy]

Haha love you ben ❤😂

[@stevenknight6756]

"FIDE says dress code is in place to "create a positive and inspiring image for chess... it will showcase a level of professionalism that reflects the prestige and elegance of this global chess event." Uhhh, sounds like an organization that doesn't want to progress and enjoys a level of elitism. I understand some kind of dresscode, but wearing jeans isn't on par with wearing something with disrespectful lettering, or something sexually explicit, or even something with flamboyant colors or designs that are distracting to other players or viewers. This is a strange hill to die on for an organization that needs him way more than he needs them. Ironically, someone wearing jeans who is more casual and connects to a younger audience is exactly what you need if you don't want to disappear into irrelevance.

[@galkanftw]

FTR I fully understand WHEN a dress code is a must example police officers a security officer others NEED to know who is in charge it is no different than asking for ID entering a secure space you NEED to know who is who.However like everything in life there are lines to cross there is no definite line that says right here don't cross THAT line there is only common sense and understanding what is truly important

[@microwavecoffee]

Ben is right 👍