Best Second Hand Sports Cars | Fifth Gear

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[@Ethankeenan02]

Id have the z4

[@romeoandthelonelygir]

Why was there tape over the passenger's door handle of the Z4?

[@ivole4854]

Já vou, não sabia que ias cmg

[@Nile9063]

The BMW really has the best value here by far! And it comes with a sweet bavarian inline six... The Audis five cylinder roar is my favourite noise on this earth though... but the Audi is more than twice as expensive as the BMW which sadly cant really be justified... I'd really like to have a go in one but I'd probably put the BMW into my garage - if I had £8000 that is... ...and a garage...

[@Nile9063]

@@RGB5555 In my opinion thats kind of a stereotype everyone has about BMWs (And I used to share it)... Now that my daily driver is a BMW I can say that it doesn't break more often than the Seat (VW) I had before... Also a good pal of me drives his E46 high milages every year and hes not complaining about very high maintanance cost either... So while there might be a few models that are known to have a lot of common fails other manufacturers do have such models too...

[@Nile9063]

@@RGB5555 I'm sorry to hear that you didn't have much luck with your cars but I'm still not at the point of accepting that this only is a BMW thing... Other manufacturers cars do need repairs too... And they also have common fails... But if I'm somehow able to pay for my BMWs repairs I don't even mind them on this car because I get rewarded with a car I really like and enjoy... Let's see if time proves me wrong... Haven't had the BMW for a whole year yet...

[@petrolpower96]

TT any day. That 5-cylinder roar is worth it alone!

[@Vazin]

This guy knows what's good.

[@curleypubes3672]

Definitely

[@Ersy90]

and easy tune to almost 400hp

[@dhgoodall1]

Vicki is an amazing automotive reviewer and one of my favorites! She’s always spot on. 😉

[@robdavis1248]

I had that Cayman S and I traded for an Audi....miss my Cayman...

[@robdavis1248]

@Malcolm R Monaghan Had a little girl that wanted to ride with daddy...needed more doors and seats.

[@pydoeswhatever]

Assuming all had the same problem and it's a question of relatively which one costs more to repair, the Cayman would be the picked surely for the chassis and the handling. This is the more rewarding factor in the long run when compared to outright performance. In fact all cars, old or new needs maintenance. If you want a maintenance free sport car, just get a Celica.

[@longtailgt]

I'd take the Cayman, hands down. Best looking and sounding and most fun to drive of the bunch imo. And in the future, might even go up in value.

[@rit4140]

lol, i wish u knew how much they cost to service em

[@James28R]

driven them all have you? no you have not.

[@razerone49]

TT-RS, by far.

[@GuardsRed996]

I‘m always blown away by british used car prices. This year I paid 32.500€ for my 2013 TTRS with 68.500 km on the clock.

[@zhila5958]

i think right hand drive cars are cheaper in general. that may be one of the reason. don’t forget insurance cost

[@eezwhatiteeez]

There’s no market for RHD cars elsewhere so the second hand market is cheap as fuck

[@ruimpinho]

Indeed. The cheapest most beaten up cayman in my country is listed for 30k. No wonder it doesn’t sell.

[@gtrman9706]

Tiff and Edd China should have their own show.

[@MrGaryjames1]

i almost pissed myself when vicki rattled out a list of 2 things to look out for on the bmw! in reality if she had listed out all the usual bmw maladies this video would have been a tad longer .

[@paulbird1808]

Thats fifth gear for you - it's like a TV equivalent of the Daily Mirror?!

[@nickmatthews4939]

I love the Z4, not so sure about two kangaroos sitting on the roof 🦘🦘😂

[@garysimpson3900]

Its good to hear that car reviewers are now emphasising the serious reliability ownership issues of a Porsche with an M96/97 engine. Having owned a Gen 1 997 I can advise that you will only get a very basic engine repair for your £8K. To address issues such as bore score, IMS bearing issues/upgrade, timing chain guide failure & the now appearing rod bearing wear you will be looking at £15K from the expert Porsche engine repairer Hartech of Bolton.

[@lolbots]

*Vicki:* let's start with the cheapest immediately knows that's the beemer

[@InfamousAMH]

BMer*

[@RandomGuy-ej9gr]

@Joseph C. Just one turbo, they're twin scroll.

[@curleypubes3672]

Oh the TT for sure!

[@officerponcherrello1182]

Owned a mk2 Audi TTS and a mk3 TTS, both great cars but now own a Cayman S, it’s a different car completely. Involving to drive and pinpoint precise handling - grown up sports car. Not sure there is a route back from Porsche ownership.

[@jameskent2147]

The z4s looks alone gets my money

[@thekingant2726]

Should have done the Z4M to compare a slight better, but would still have the TTRS.

[@jonathansmith5850]

I'd have the porsche as a driving experience any day over the others.

[@gordonblackley8863]

Underneath Vicky is a really good chassis!! Now there’s a fact 😉😂

[@dolomite5724]

@Gordon Blackney Well that's very fucking boomer of you

[@mr.y.mysterious.video1]

Looking for a weekend car myself. Can’t decide between a z4 or a lot newer mx5 for the same money. Any thoughts?

[@nigel.w]

IMO, FWIW, 6-cylinder Z4.

[@WouldyoubelieveHim]

Go for a Porsche Boxster S instead. Roof off, trunk in front and rear so room for luggage. Handling is epic and damper control to make for comfortable cruiser or stiffen up for more racey fun

[@donsirsimon]

Im sure you cant buy z4 35i for 8000 pounds.. lesser models maybe. 35i has a N54 twin turbo engine and dualclutch M-DCT transmission pretty much the same a in e90 m3. There are many stage 1 tunes out there that boost its performace to 360-370 hp. I have cobb accesport on it and a simple 0-60 i tested 4.8 seconds. That was without using launch control. I never use it actually. Problems coilpacks(newer coil models are better Eldor etc), gaskets (valve cover,oil filter housing, injectors if they are older revision maymake noise and leak, dct pan gasket may leak, turbo wastegates may rattle, intake valves need carbon cleaning regularly, m adaptive suspension is awesame but its fragile and expensive to fix... 2500 eur for 4 shocks.. i went with KW V3 kit instead, it has adjustable bump and rebound, makes it handle Better and you can tune it to your liking, got it on spring sale for 1640 eur, dont buy edc cancelation kit, there are guides how to code adaptive suspension out with a 10eur usb cable. Tires are expensive: you dont want to drive on budget tires with 360 hp, michelin 4s, Supersport is the way to go.

[@davidpeters6536]

Wasn't the E90-M3 a V8 ? Yep it is!

[@donsirsimon]

@@davidpeters6536 I was talking about the dual clutch transmission in 35i and 35is. Its basically the same unit as the one paired to the M3s V8. Minor differences. In m3 you can change the speed of the shifts, in z4 its changed via driving mode ( comfort,sport, sport+) Also in m3 dct does not change up when hitting the redline( must do it yourself, better on track) in z4 it always changes up. There are are 2 variant of the M-DCT transmission differing in how much power it can take. lower one is in m3 and z4, later 335is, Higher one is in M5, M6 F 10-series i think. Both have almost the same product number from Getrag. only one number is different indicating power rating.

[@donsirsimon]

@@davidpeters6536 In January 2008, BMW introduced a dual-clutch transmission for their M3 model, manufactured by Getrag, embedding a DualTronic dual-clutch module from BorgWarner, and dubbed "M double-clutch transmission" (M DCT). The same transmission is used in the second-generation Z4 (the Sdrive35i and sDrive35is versions), and is an available option on the 335i (coupe, convertible), 335is and later 135i builds.[52] BMW released the new M3 (F80) and M4 (F82) with the seven-speed DCT in 2014. The same DCT was used in the M2 (F87) released in 2016

[@donsirsimon]

@@davidpeters6536 Z4s with smaller engines have torgue converter automatic. But if you are a manual purist, then this does not matter to you. Only thing. 35iS was dualcluth only. For manual you must get 35i. 35i and 35is engine is almost the same, Is has some cooling upgrades, louder exhaust( so ive heard ) and essentialy a small tune from factory.

[@hondansx1000]

get the Cayman and don't bother with the other two

[@dazeaston]

aQuestionableQuestion I agree that you will have the most fun in the Cayman until you get the repair bills coming in. Then you’ll wish you bought the BMW or Audi.

[@curleypubes3672]

@@dazeaston nah.. TT is better

[@laugeabildgaard8636]

There is also the bmw z4 35is with 340 hp and some trickery in the exchaust. That is the one I would go for (and went for).

[@johnennis4586]

Just buy a mx5, it is the sports car you want that will not break down

[@pharaongaming8617]

or S2000, with that being said tho the cars in this video arent really unreliable

[@pharaongaming8617]

@@archer7716 with your profile picture i see that you are being sarcastic but generally yes the Miata is going to be more reliable than BMW's, its may be a bit more reliable but it is way easier to fix Miata than BMW tho with newer ones obviously BMW is gonna be more reliable than a 20+ year old car

[@seanriley1603]

I have a NA Miata and want something faster. It’s not worth doing an engine swap when there are so many good unmodded cars that can out accelerate and out handle a Miata.

[@h214suiiii]

Archer were not Americans who call it miatas just call them mx5s when U are a english video 😭😭

[@mrlw6238]

Surely it’s unfair to bring the standard z4 into this? Why not compare the z4 M with these two? Cayman owner but considering a swap to a tt rs

[@mattevans4377]

Porsche would be £20k if you take into account the engine replacement. Then you have to take into account insurance on the TTRS, because you know Audi drivers would always mod it. Seems to me the real bargain is the Z4, and that surprises me. What secret is that BMW hiding from all the other BMWs?

[@SteveRogers461]

I love her voice 😍😍😍

[@alvinchan7746]

may as well buy the newer models if it costs just as much to repair and maintain the old ones!

[@STRENGTH444]

If you want a car people will turn their heads at... its Porsche or Z4. Unfortunately i have never looked at the TT and gone, wow nice car. I dont even notice them on the roads....

[@chrisdooley6468]

The Audi certainly. The new TT RSs are stonking quick with 400bhp from stock

[@paulhopper8156]

Vicky still got it 👍🏻😍

[@treedeblue]

Yah she’s so sexy

[@Aatish2k8]

What happened to MX5 RF?

[@miketheman4341]

Porsche Porsche and Porsche!

[@Giixxersquid]

I would take the TT RS. AWD, amazing sound, most power, easy tuning and last but not least still looks the most modern out of the 3.

[@orangegherkin3420]

Yeah, it also costs half the price of a BMW...

[@verbalwound5874]

Where's the Miata?

[@posniknelb6114]

Cayman for me

[@skylinexj100]

its ridiculous to compare the tt-rs with the z4. it's 10k more. should just do the standard tt.

[@johnnyparker2128]

Used TTRS is definitely more bang for the buck.

[@InfamousAMH]

Why does is sound so much funnier when a woman says TT?

[@azlanmahmud]

ENDLESS MONEY PITS AS THEY AGE

[@BlitzkriegRap]

hahaha...except the Bimmer...that 2.5 seems solid

[@ahmadjohan6571]

it a fucking sports car with 300hp.what do you expect?

[@GuardsRed996]

Except for the TTRS, I haven‘t ever had any problem with it.

[@meean8799]

Easily the best comparison reviews done by any channel or KZbin channel. Best comparison overall review of vehicles in my opinion is Savagegeese which takes into account reliability and build quality and gets under the car. Worst reviewers was Clarkson and his ridiculous mates.

[@sleepeatdrive7619]

Wow a car video most of if can actually relate to lol

[@Danielevans2]

I MUCH PREFER THE MK 2 compared to the new one 😍.

[@richardmurphy546]

Audi TT RS, S-tronic version. End.

[@glenclough9080]

The Porsche and BMW aren’t even in the same league as the TTRS which is the best car in the real world by a huge margin out of these 3

[@ninadganore]

Ttrs no doubt

[@jivasini3770]

From all above, I would buy a z3!

[@jlo6388]

Porsche. Least things to replace with time.

[@kingoxy4534]

Tf ??? U can currently have a TT R.S. for 18k????????? Take my passport!

[@aowen1079]

I would buy the Z4 and remove the roof for instant weight reduction and only drive it on sunny days.

[@BlitzkriegRap]

just get a first gen soft top

[@enyotheios2613]

@@BlitzkriegRap You can see out of a first gen easier too...

[@maxjones2722]

Z4 seems pretty good, but I'd stretch the money and get a used mx5 Nd but that's just me

[@BalkanBoyBiH]

18k for a tt rs? Jesus christ thats dirt cheap i paid in holland for my mk7 gti with 25k miles 26k euros 2014 model

[@flavioc5389]

The bore scoring is enough to disregard the Porsche. The TT is a boring understeery car. Z4 wins by a mile.

[@johnjerrehian4642]

Have you ever driven a TTRS? It's by far a boring car that understeers. Z4 is nice option too. Agree with the comments on the Porsche

[@go2yanks]

John Jerrehian Have to agree with you on the TTRS, the understeer is minimal and that glorious 5 cyl exhaust noise more than makes up for it.

[@johnjerrehian4642]

@@go2yanks Personally, I would go for the RS3 and a tune. New stock is 400Hp and they are around 500 HP with a tune. A few more tweeks and that engine becomes a monster. Ex wife had the TT. Fun to drive, just a little to small for me. I have a A6 with the 3.0 TDI. Plug and play tune now gives me 283 HP and 515 ft pds or trq. 0-60 in 4.9 yet I get 42 MPG at 78 MPH...

[@Tallandcharming]

John Jerrehian hi John, I don’t mean to call you out on your claim but this doesn’t make sense. My Arteon has 280HP standard with a DSG gearbox and weighs LESS than an A6, especially with a petrol engine onboard and standard 0-60 is 5.6 seconds, there’s literally no way you can get 4.9seconds in a heavier car with near identical HP. I’ve now tuned mine to 340HP and get 0-60 of circa 4.5ish seconds. How is it possible you’re claiming that sort of time, unless you’re driving down the worlds steepest hill or have totally stripped the car bare of anything to reduce weight I’m saying it’s highly unlikely, if not impossible.

[@go2yanks]

Tallandcharming torque plays a pretty big role in acceleration, it could be down to that tbh. Having 515 ft lbs of torque in a car that weighs that much would be potent. Also, how the car is geared would make a big difference as well.

[@SirPablo2Pablo]

SLK 55 AMG

[@harryc266]

£300+ for a glovebox hinge bahahhaa oh Audi.

[@Bugumir]

If a 50k car is too rich for you, then a Porsche is too rich for you. Disregard such nonsense.

[@vivekpund4997]

#BringTiffBack

[@shadow67catcher]

Z4 all the way

[@imihussain1781]

BMW all the way.

[@darkme777]

But does it Fry?

[@wolfschindler8921]

Only a fool would buy these money pits!!! Bankrupt after a year!

[@marcusthestarlord4936]

German, german or german...they just have no competition

[@roberttaylor465]

You can't compare a roadster and a coupe.

[@Marzo55edc]

Rwd>awd

[@anthonybelo4372]

Recommending BMW's and Porsche Cayman and Audi's ...GERMAN CARS..... Oh ya, the sound of your wallet being drained to maintain and repair these cars is SO PAINFUL... I have owned them ALL.... GERMAN CARS ARE INCREDIBLY GREAT DRIVING CARS BUT THEY ARE NOT RELIABLE OR ECONOMICAL TO KEEP..... Do yourself and your wallet a favour (especially if you value your money) STAY AWAY.... The people who embraced these cars initially did so by leasing them, then they gave them back JUST before the major costly problems occur --- THEN YOU COME ALONG AND BUY THEM??? All while they drop in value like "Cement Boots" in Flat Water....

[@blackflagpirate3444]

Just buy a second hand tts MK2 REVO stage one it 4.4 secs 0-60mph £14.000 Bargains

[@Ammar-cj2xg]

google said "your welcome"

[@jorgeluisburgoacosio9998]

285£ to a coil ❓ I'll buy it from US 80$us and replace it myself 🤣😂🤣😂 why is it that expensive in UK ❓

[@realmusicreallife]

She’s talking dealer prices probably inc vat , whereas I would just jump on eBay

[@donsirsimon]

There are many coilpack options out there... cheap ones are not recommended... bmw have changed their coilpack 4 times... latest ones are Eldor coils... on Ebay you can get the latest 6pack for 230 eur or so (shipped from US). There is a great video by Vehicular DIY on all bmw coilpacks.

[@JPTHRICE]

18 k for a TT RS ?????????

[@nelc2399]

FD2R or S2000

[@Tallandcharming]

You know what the BIGGEST problem is for Cayman owners.....? Not being successful enough to buy a 911 👍

[@Tallandcharming]

MagicAyrtonforever oooooh someone’s got their knickers in a twist 😆

[@kaymac730]

Have you ever owned a Cayman?

[@Tallandcharming]

Kay Mac Nope as not a homosexual... Just kidding It’s a good car but it’s not that great.

[@Tallandcharming]

John S no that’s exactly what I’ve said; I’ve never owned one but owned / driven Ferrari’s, Maserati’s, 911’s and saloons from Audi, BMW etc.

[@kaymac730]

Tallandcharming Several well experienced journalists have commented that the Cayman will out-handle the equivalent 911 and has more driver feel to it. Considering the price difference it sounds like a pretty formidable choice

[@tonymelnik2235]

Porsche

[@OpinionatedMonk]

Why do women drive sat so close to the steering wheel?

[@markrozee]

Audi are rubbish VW's. Get a Jag XTR😀😀😀

[@posniknelb6114]

The mk1 z4 is much better to drive.

[@davdjimenez1150]

❤️

[@ndlovulwazi]

all these are girly cars tho

[@illuminatesnow4065]

1st

[@POLEZINA]

Vicki you have en amaizing brests