Fighting Game characters who need to stay dead.

[@Carlitonsp1]

Rufus is the other side of Bob from Tekken. Pretty universally strong in certain itterations, but Rufus goes for the annoyingly quirky approach vs Bob's incredibly plain approach.

[@coolboyyo654]

i love Bob cause he's an overweight character who isn't just reduced to Ha Ha He's Fat. Dude bases his whole fighting style around tossing the weight around.

[@dustinliam7878]

Both of them can kick rocks. That said, Bob is more than likely going to be back for T8, but I'm rooting for a Slim Bob appearance again.

[@coolgabe555]

I feel like if they were to ever bring rufus back sf6 would probably be their best chance rn given they shaken up kens background. Alot of the gripes Rufus has with Ken wouldn't exist and it could be funny seeing Rufus either mocking Ken while hes down or actually trying to help with just Ken going leave me alone. Also seeing him with the sf6 artstyle sounds hilarious.

[@nbanextlegend7497]

@@coolgabe555Rufus coming back would be my worst nightmare but if he comes back hope they crank his cartooni-ness to eleven and make his moveset absolutely absurd and hilarious

[@habijjj]

​@coolgabe555 if only wasn't literally the most unappealing in existence up there with abigail.

[@YouGuessIGuess]

And then there's characters suffering a fate worse than death-- -demoted to background character (Sodom) -replaced by a nameless custom character that looks like them (Sean) -replaced by a random select character with a pointier head (Twelve)

[@mappybc6097]

Replaced by waifu equivalents ( Abel and Fang )

[@YouGuessIGuess]

@@mappybc6097 T. Hawk too, to a certain extent.

[@jerry3115]

and then there's remy

[@LOL-gn5oh]

It is so sad that Guy was absent in V and will be too in VI. After IV, there seems to be a trend of replacing him with other new bushinclones, such as Zeku and Kimberly. Bushinclones don't have the same privilege as shotoclones, which can have dozens of them in a same game. Oh yeah, poor Maki too, another bushinclone thrown into the depths of oblivion.

[@shaunmcisaac782]

@@LOL-gn5oh Yeah I don't get the Kimberly inclusion when they had Guy + Maki already. She's fine (as of the beta) but why not just bring back Guy or Maki or Zeku.

[@panetoneninjacanal2692]

You can feel JM's sweat to not get demonetized while talking about juri

[@Frandelicious1337]

This guys facial expressions make it seem like he's always on the verge of laughing. Always. He's the most happy looking person I have ever seen. Not even hating, good for him.

[@GabiN64]

Lol

[@sf_cause2069]

I cant unsee this now 😭

[@MisterPeckingOrder]

You’re right. Good eye

[@EricSamaNYC]

As an Abel main in SF4, I can agree with most of the sentiment. His character backstory isn't actually bad, it's more the way the character develops from finding out his backstory, as well as his overly shy demeanor. I feel like if Abel had more of Luke's personality but with his Frenchman tendencies and Seth clone backstory he'd be much cooler.

[@cylondorado4582]

Yeah, it sounds good on paper, and I like how he plays. But I remember him being in like half the cast's "Rival Battle"s in Story Mode (at least in Vanilla) and he seemed super bland in every short cutscene.

[@iggydadawg9712]

@TheGameGallowsPlay *everyone should have Luke's personality

[@joecoolmccall]

The blandness comes partially because he basically didn't remember his past.

[@carlosaugusto9821]

The problem is that people judge Abel with different standards than a veteran like Honda. Just because of the veteran status, some plain old characters get a pass while the newcomers are harshly and strictly judged.

[@BennyHarassi]

@@cylondorado4582 to be fair all those cut scenes were terrible

[@UltimaShadowX]

I think Rufus is a fun character but the problem is he replaced a character in the concept art called King Cobra who looked WAY COOLER.

[@nbanextlegend7497]

King Cobra should come back🙏🙏

[@deafmelonex6983]

THIS

[@blaacksugar7714]

Well, we *do* have Jamie that's basically a practitioner of Break-Fu.

[@foyo5497]

I was gonna leave this comment. King Cobra looked sic! If his moveset and personality was on point, I would think he would return.

[@foyo5497]

@@wh0racle3 Though I agree, that Chinese outfit is basically a jiangshi (Chinese zombie/vampire) outfit like Hsien-Ko from Darkstalkers.

[@MrFuggleGuggle]

Abel is in Street Fighter V…he’s in the ‘Story Mode’ adventure - but never playable.

[@Aerowind]

I feel like Juri, much like Cammy and Chun Li, can have more characterization now because Bison is dead. For better or for worse, a lot of their characterization was "must kill Bison".

[@demi-femme4821]

You're forgetting one of the principal rules of post-3 Street Fighter: Bison is forever.

[@rebound1340]

Lmao point and laugh 🫵🤣

[@Dhampire1976]

You must be disappointed,since they got rid of everything that made her work and turned her into a generic "pick me" E-thot. Pretty sad honestly

[@alanmonteros6432]

The reason for why Genshin characters feel like they have the same build is because all of them use the same 3 or so models for their bodies

[@HanDaimond]

It's the perfect formula to recycle and sell content. Also most Asian people are extremely thin, they want characters to relate to.

[@extjmrq]

Yeah that's true they just reused and modified those same old model

[@sirpikapika1129]

I believe it's not specifically the model itself, just the animation bones But yeah, those posts on twitter where they go "OMG THEY MAKE A SUPER BUFF CHARACTER" then post a fuckin twig certainly are something.

[@Magnet_Chaos]

@@sirpikapika1129 To be fair some of the characters are kinda buff..... ONLY in their artwork. Their models are twigs.

[@kauanjos3199]

​@@Magnet_Chaositto moment

[@KuzuTomoki]

I like Juri for her personality, genuinely actually. Never understood the foot thing, I just think she's fun. 🤷‍♂️

[@Magnet_Chaos]

What is there to understand? Some people like feet. XD Though I wish they gave her shoes in the next game just to piss some people off.

[@SkribbleNL]

Me too, I like how she is a lil bit insane and wants to fight due to the enjoyment of beating ppl up. Also think she has cool animations. I was drawn to her in sf4 and in SFxT but have kind of lost interest in her as a character afterwards.

[@carlosaugusto9821]

Ok I will pretend I believe you so you don't feel judged

[@mariozappini7784]

​@@Magnet_Chaos SF7 Juri DLC sales dropping by 99%

[@sunwiitch]

SAME. it actually almost frustrates me like. i think her design and stuff are cool and then the entire internet is just like “lmao feet”

[@victorlittleton4158]

I am in disbelief, no one has mentioned El fuerte.

[@TheRealCodeBlack]

When I was a kid who had no idea what I was doing, I really loved Zappa even though I had no idea how to use him just because the concept was so fascinating. I never won, but I just loved using him and playing around with all his crazy possessed moves. The old Guilty Gears were my first experience with a game with characters with such non-traditional kits and ideas, and I've always hoped to see him come back in a game now that I'm more experienced and actually know how to do more than play around and mash buttons. Sad to hear he's mostly hated.

[@ComptonFalcon]

Fellow Zappa enjoyer here. I'm pretty sure most of the hate comes from how overwhelming he can be in +R (cough cough sword) and not his actual design or the way he fights. I don't like Strive but a toned down version of Zappa where he still has more reasonable RNG summons would pull me back in

[@1000Tomatoes]

I really want Zappa the Australian ghost scientist to be in strive. Like you said, how they played in previous games alone shouldn't have much bearing on whether they should come back or not because chances are they are going to be changed.

[@damonturner2849]

exactly i want everyone back tbh that was such a amazing game roster Im really praying for A.B.A

[@THE_BASED_GOD]

Nah we need Zappa at full power i want to shmix

[@Jack_Horner_is_a_hero]

HD Zappa would be so fucking cursed. I don't want to imagine a world where he's not a pixel sprite

[@Vinvulpis]

I actually liked Rufus. What I liked about him was how ridiculous and over the top he was. I tend to like some of the goofier characters that stand out a lot. He actually has the potential to be an very interesting character lore-wise as well. I just don't feel like they tapped into that a whole lot. Given his size and being able to learn just from watching movies is Rugal-like in a way. I donno, I like the character concept. Maybe they can tone down the short temper bits, maybe have him come back where he's curbed some of that. Even with that, he's also oddly friendly aside from his ridiculous hatred of Ken. A bunch of his arcade win quotes to other characters is just wanting to talk about random stuff he likes.

[@vahlok1426]

Seeing Zappa come back would be cool, considering that in the overarching story he has seen a lot of development. He's joined a government agency, developed his own supernatural battling tech, and seemingly still has his connections to the demons & spirits who possess him, but finally has reached an even ground with them. I think a more "in control" Zappa would be fun to see. Maybe give him an install style super where he goes full-on possessed mode again, or something like that.

[@SamAutoYT]

- Steve (Smash Bros Ultimate) - Bo Rai Cho - Panda from Tekken. Instead of having 2 bears, replace him with the raptor

[@doodoo2065]

Since we re at it, replace Steve with a Terraria rep

[@mr_swordkilla24]

@doodoo2065no Steve is good but add asgore and sans as fighters

[@Delightfully_Witchy]

3:59 For the record, many BlazBlue fans who like the story also hate Arakune for screwing up Litchi's romance options with much more interesting characters and being a *FRUSTRATINGLY STATIC CHARACTER* who can barely talk. ...But yeah, being a spammy skillgate character also doesn't endear anyone.

[@0rnami]

I haven't played Blazblue in a long time. Did he hook up with Litchi or something? That would be really weird

[@Delightfully_Witchy]

@@0rnami Memory serves, they were engaged before Arakune's transformation and now most of her story arc revolves around him.

[@0rnami]

@@Delightfully_Witchy Ohh I see. Yeah that's pretty lame. Sounds like the devs were aiming for some sussy tentacle fantasy with that

[@goranisacson2502]

Ooh , I only played the first Blazblue game, do they never really move on from or evolve that while storyline? Is Litchi just constantly pining for and trying to save Arakune from Blazblue start to Blazblue finish? Is it THAT bad?

[@Delightfully_Witchy]

@@goranisacson2502 It is absolutely that bad. She even joins the bad-guys against her will for his sake. :( (Why do fighting games keep doing that to female characters? It's never well-recieved.)

[@Aware_Wolf_X4]

Abel absolutely needs to comeback. I feel like Manon is the evolution of his playstyle. If he were to return for SF6, I imagine he'd be added towards the end of it's life.

[@commentateur-connaisseur-c1414]

Manon's existence is clearly the sign that Abel is not returning. I kinda liked the dude in SF4. But I've learnt to find more appeal into Manon's concept.

[@HarmonicResonanceScale]

Abel is white toast as hell. He makes Ryu look edgy. Manon is fabulous. Oozing personality without being pigeon-holed.

[@falconeshield]

No. Abel like C Viper and Alex tried to be a protag character.

[@EclipseKirby]

When it comes to Abel, I think that Street Fighter X Tekken did an ok job of giving him a fun quirk. In that game, his reaction to seeing Kuma in his/Guile's rival fight is an extreme urge to pet it, talking to Guile like that's a completely normal reaction to seeing a grizzly bear. I think they could build on Abel being a dork like that if they wanted to revisit him.

[@SkribbleNL]

I think SFxT did pretty good in general with showcasing the chracters personality (although cartoonized). The trailers of that game are still so amazing

[@mariozappini7784]

​@@SkribbleNL If only they didn't pick the worst art style possible that made everyone look awful

[@LloydTheZephyrian]

​@@mariozappini7784Wasn't SFxT's artstyle literally just SF4's artstyle?

[@doodoo2065]

​@@LloydTheZephyrianits like SF4 but with like, 10x Saturation and 10x contrast or something

[@gh0rochi363]

​@@LloydTheZephyrian one wants to admit that when back then the SF4 art style was bad and probably the worst iteration (look wise) of all the characters. The only ones that didn't look stupid were the ones that debuted in the 4 series.

[@Netsaver]

The thing about Rufus, like if you look up his backstory the dude is a genius when it comes to fighting. Like his martial art is entirely made from different martial arts he watched from movies as well as traveling and learning them from masters. He can even use a slight amount of ki in his attack which is something that took many other characters alot of training to achieve. Now if he was less pig-headed and hot-headed and more calm he could actually be a pretty good character. In fact many of the other fighters said if he took less time being a braggart and a windbag he would actually be a much more competent fighter than he currently is. The fact they say this means that Rufus could actually become a character who could be a real threat to other fighters.

[@CaptainDCap]

BRO. Now I want Oro to give up on Ryu and train Rufus, instead!!!

[@stephensmith7327]

Don't use a Thermian Argument, no amount of lore can cover that he just sucks as a character. Maybe not as a player but definitely as a character

[@StrawHat-68]

Well now I want a more serious and mature Rufus in SF6😂

[@willdiesel8431]

The self taught trope is one used far too much in video games and if you take away the fact that he really has no certain style to call his own it looks more pathetic.

[@unoriginality5460]

Rule of thumb for joke characters: LITERALLY THE STRONGEST CHARACTER FROM THE ENTIRE FRANCHISE but they too dumb brow!!!

[@sasaki8765]

Abel and Rufus are some of my favorite characters of all time.... I tend to be drawn to some weirdo characters. I'm also a big fan of El Fuerte.

[@k.f.z.318]

❤ El Fuerte

[@cashwad5713]

I actually want hakan back

[@cosmic5665]

Who ever said anything wrong about haken he is a sick character

[@emirparkreiner7801]

Yeah, Hakan rules and i want to see him and E Honda being bros.

[@CheshireFGC]

Same

[@Vespyr_]

Hakan is such a great modern street fighter character. I can't imagine him in a game like Super Turbo, and yet he screams Street Fighter in his game design.

[@kurgan1]

Who wouldnt want oily angry red Turkish man back in the game! We need more Turkish representation in games

[@Aubee89]

Ricky's Rufus will live forever. You can't kill those memories, boys

[@MagmaMKII]

I actually think they could make Rufus work if they brought him back in SF6. With the current direction they're going with Ken it would actually make a lot of sense for him to return.

[@benf9252]

Juri taking off and C.Viper disappearing is proof there is no justice in the world

[@alhyena2002]

Completely agree, C. Viper was great. I thought she could be more popular, since she was even in MvC3. I feel like she'd be more well received nowadays, for some reason, but I'm not sure if she's even here, considering SF's weird ass timeline.

[@Zero254]

At least viper is AMAZING in mvc3

[@DynoDunes]

Time for my unpopular opinion, I hate C. Viper's design. I like the gameplay a bunch and used her for some time, but her costume combined with her glasses were such a turnoff for me, especially knowing that she was supposed to appeal to westerners in an era where they catered to heavily to the west. She reminds me of Katarina from T7; sexualized characters without that "it" factor to their design, so they end up generic.

[@alhyena2002]

@@DynoDunes Really? What I enjoyed most of her was that she was less sexualized than, say Cammy or Juri, but to each their own, I suppose.

[@SagatHyoga]

Juri is just better

[@jakuth99]

Honestly as far as protagonists of street fighter that aren’t Ryu, I think rashid was successful.

[@zkosmith1662]

Some of the only successful protagonists are Luke and Rashid anyone else was flat (not counting Ryu or Ken).

[@MrSmitejr]

Zappa is super unfairly targeted for being buffed out the ass in +R. He was completely fine in AC before they just decided to crank the hell out of the sword. Wild how Zato just keeps coming back despite being an actual problem in basically every game he's in

[@Delightfully_Witchy]

Even when he was dead he mopped the floor with the cast!

[@bulb9970]

Honestly it seems Capcom more than often drops the ball at introducing new SF characters after the alpha series. Most of them are either too generic or too weird for most people, only a few really stand out positively.

[@DynoDunes]

Good point. Come to think of it, there aren't many male characters post alpha who are super popular to a general audience. Even if you narrow it down to general FGC, you got Dudley, Sean and Urien as maybes, with the former as the most likely.

[@Robin_Robout]

I really wanted F.A.N.G. to be cool because his theme is sick and some of his official art is too, but in game he's just a huge fucking clown with a wack ass fighting style.

[@DynoDunes]

@@Robin_Robout I'll stand with you on that one. Really inspired design reminiscent of old kung fu movies. I wish they made him more sadistic and less corny; it was great when he was actually villainous in the story, but then you contrast it with the dumb flying super and the generally wasted poison mechanic.

[@tristancampbell4941]

Rufus probably chilling with his girl Candy after all these years

[@kevingriffith6011]

I still love that Rufus is one of like... 5 street fighter characters with a healthy romantic relationship.

[@sinenomine2681]

They drove to the North Pole at the end of his arcade mode ending. Him and Candy are frozen in some block of ice out in the middle of nowhere. I pray every night into my custom-made Rufus body pillow that Capcom will deign to unthaw him.

[@RisingJericho]

I could live without seeing Rufus again and be pretty content. Combined with some other questionable designs in SF4, he just comes across as generally fatphobic in design. Bob fits this mold sooooooo much better.

[@neintimesthegeek1337]

The hate for Rufus is completely unnecessary. The guy has an effective movement. He's a fun character. He's a fat character in a fighting game, which is awesome! And the hate on Arakune is just stupid. Like, ppl that play Arcsys games alway love playing Cheap AF characters, but when a high skill ceiling, low pick character pops up it's always wrong. Like, what's up with that double standard?

[@danede3635]

Rufus is one of my favorite joke character and I would welcome him whole-heartidly in the future along with r. mika, and Dudley

[@DylanYoshi]

Rufus has some of the most hilarious win quotes in the series and it's sad to me that he gets so much hate.

[@gamerlukzxcy]

0:11 *LOUD GASP*

[@monsterofvoices]

In Street Fighter it's pretty common for female characters to generally get more waves than male characters. I myself mostly play girl characters just because they tend to fit my style of play and design choices more. With that said I think Jamie will take off pretty well and has the right things to be a popular male character

[@bulb9970]

I also always gravitated more towards female fighters. Characters like Sakura, Makoto, BB Hood, Hsien Ko, the entire Skullgirls roster… Not sure why but might be because of their more distinct personalities.

[@zeroxlulu]

Yup, it seems like what determines if a character gets to come back for future iterations is how horny they make the fans.

[@burningphoneix]

Coomer

[@kaiserbts8007]

@@burningphoneix You can't argue with the money

[@Delightfully_Witchy]

Keep in mind, gay/Asexual men also frequently play female characters, so men can't be purely playing them out of thirstiness. It could be for a lot of reasons, but in addition to aesthetics, my theory is that people like underdogs and women are inherently underdogs in fighting games.

[@animal10.05]

Seth's steampunk android skin in SF4 was lowkey the best skin in the game. Also, he was suuuuuuuuuuper fun to play as even if he was a bit more technical than most of the cast.

[@DynoDunes]

I will be honest; I always like how Rufus's girlfriend is named Candy. That being said, I find it hard to hate characters in any fighting game. Some I dislike, but it never gets to hatred. The closest would be Ingrid, but the annoyance I had with that character passed away in time.

[@Delightfully_Witchy]

I completely forgot about Ingrid. I think her whole deal was that she was a Mary-Sue for comedy that the East enjoyed and the West thought was annoying and screwed with the lore. ... I'm glad she's gone.

[@stale_cheeto]

@@Delightfully_Witchy Not that the lore mattered to begin with. SFA3's canon was already messed up. It's dumb to take the canon of Alpha 3 MAX seriously when it's the same game that has Yun and Yang when they're too young to be in it lmao

[@Delightfully_Witchy]

@@stale_cheeto If we were to disqualify lore for inconsistency, then no fighting game series whatsoever would count. There's nothing dumb about being intrigued about fighting game lore, that's what it's there for. A significant portion of any fighting game base are there purely for the fluff. (Especially in MK, BB, and SC case.)

[@philithegamer8265]

​@@Delightfully_WitchyNo one likes Ingrid at all. She doesn't have a fanbase.

[@Delightfully_Witchy]

@@philithegamer8265 *JAPAN LOVED HER.*

[@AsiaDanceScene]

Geez, I hated matchups with Seth. He was the worst matchup for both of my mains and just an annoying character in general. My most disliked character would probably be Guile. The character is fine, but the way most people played him was super boring.

[@JonahBoing]

5:56 Jmcrofts: Abel never came back in SFV Story Mode:

[@raikoedgymoto]

I hope Lucky Chloe returns to Tekken 8. The world's edgiest gen x dad hired the worlds most toxic hello kitty girl to be an industry plant and his body guard, and I'm all for it

[@goranisacson2502]

You know the way. Lucky Chloe being so ruthless she's literally willing to team up with Daddy World War 3 if it makes her famous and let's her act like a super-zomg-neko-kawaii :=3 nihon aidoru is... I don't even know how to describe villainy like that, except "impressive".

[@greatheightsu]

You know who needs to resurrect? M. Bison for SF6.

[@redacted2275]

JP is so lame as the main villain...

[@laurencevicar5798]

Well…

[@rebound1340]

YOU!!!!!

[@SamWeltzin]

Surprised none of these were Bo Rai Cho. I personally like him, but he's HATED in the MK community.

[@kevingriffith6011]

Look, All I'm saying is that at the obvious low point in his life that Ken is in during Street Fighter 6, he needs the one person in the world that thinks about him more than anyone else to come along and get him back on his feet. So they should absolutely bring Rufus back for SF6.

[@muleyamwiinga3988]

Alex or Sean would be better

[@kevingriffith6011]

@@muleyamwiinga3988 I think you missed the joke. Rufus has a bit of a joke one-sided rivalry with Ken, where Rufus is *obsessed* with beating him in a fight, but Ken has absolutely no idea who he is. To the point where Rufus is confusing people like Cammy or Bob from Tekken for Ken "in a clever disguise". It's on full display in Rufus's Street Fighter x Tekken trailer.

[@muleyamwiinga3988]

@@kevingriffith6011 I knew about that... Still don't care for Rufus... Ken needs a character redesign, let's go down this dark road for him... I would rather see Sean and not the 2nd Impact Version...

[@kevingriffith6011]

@@muleyamwiinga3988 Ah, alright. Guess I thought you didn't understand that I was making a joke, not a serious suggestion.

[@muleyamwiinga3988]

@@kevingriffith6011 lol it's alright man... My dislike for the character crouch tech'd the joke

[@MadsyTTV]

Id like to point out...that as a tournament entrant and avid active player in my scene back when SFIV through USFVI was the game being played...NO ONE got more hate than me...yes...I play El Fuerte.

[@Dliciousization]

0 way Arakune doesn't return if there is a future BB title. He's Litchi's major counterpart for one, for two he's just a really cool fighting game character in concept. They really just need to make his curse mechanic less binary so he can win matches more reliably without curse, but you get to actually get to play the game if you get cursed. Everything else about him is awesome.

[@gilgafresh923]

How could you honestly change Arakune to a point that makes him decent and not so frustrating, it's simply impossible for one who never was made with any intentions of being anything less than strong.

[@zanpakutoman4225]

If they changed what the bugs do/act when the opponent is cursed he could keep everything else, IMO. The bugs from Curse gives him that arial low, insane amounts of pressure, and an infinite that only has 1 point where it isn't burst safe.

[@NeoBoneGirl]

@@zanpakutoman4225 Arakune doesn't have an aerial low anymore, that was just his jD for I think only Calamity Trigger. That being said, the worst part of Arakune's design is that he literally gets curse off of one touch so the MvC3 Phoenix Wright factor of "Oh he's bad until he becomes the best character in the game" is barely a factor because quite literally any decently convertible hit he gets is leading into 100% curse oki

[@mattsipe8963]

Using creativity and imagination.

[@duo317]

​@zanpakuto man yeah that's 100% false. His air low was in his first game, he hasn't had an infinite ever (outside of infinite block strings against tager in ct, and you'd guard crush them before that). He's good, but Carl, nine, izanami, etc. Are all bs

[@NeoBoneGirl]

@@duo317 They're all BS but Arakune is far and away the most annoying to fight, and actively makes BB a worse game because you can run into him online

[@NeoBoneGirl]

I gotta be honest, besides Sakura, Juri is without a doubt the most recognizable SF character after 2. If you ask the average person who Alex or Yun or Urien is, they'll have zero idea

[@Budisgud69]

😂

[@kujo4388]

Well “average” people don’t really matter when it comes to fighting games. They don’t actually care about anything and usually do nothing for the game outside of sales lmao

[@NeoBoneGirl]

@@kujo4388 They do when it comes to who's recognizable. You don't say "Oh Yun is the most recognizable character in Street Fighter because everyone who's good at Third Strike knows him" because that just makes no sense

[@SamWeltzin]

@@kujo4388 Brushing off sales is a big mistake. lol The average person is wildly important in making these things continue to exist, like it or not.

[@Delightfully_Witchy]

Those two the most recognizable and *NOT CHUN-LI AND CAMMY?* If that isn't a hot-take, nothing is.

[@thomasthecoolkid7228]

I love how they made Seth in SF5 into not just a woman, but also a reference character that takes moves from different Capcom fighting games. And then the copying aspect was still retained with one of his (her?) V-Triggers being able to steal moves from the opponent.

[@YaBoiJosid]

Seth in SFV, is easily one of the best redesigns!

[@thescaletblur07]

ok lore time, basically seth’s (sf4) body was intended to be a new body for m bison after he died in sf2. it didnt really work so shadoloo threw it out, somehow the body gained consciousness and that consciousness could be cloned and put into other bodies. (the consciousness is heavily implied to be male) after ryu wrecks the 2nd seth body (sf4 is wacky) its not fully destroyed so juri puts seths consciousness into a different body (that either juri make or found) which has a very feminine appearance. so like, seth is more like trans? so probably female but not? it’s weird.

[@thomasthecoolkid7228]

@@thescaletblur07 I know about the Doll Unit Zero lore, don't worry

[@thescaletblur07]

@@thomasthecoolkid7228 i just wanna flex my street fighter lore knowledge.

[@MagmaMKII]

Seth is literally an artificial being / homunculus, and his personality is clearly defined as male even on his new female body.

[@CanadianChrist]

Rufus is a treasure he must be cherished for the absolute KING no as the absolute GOD AMONGST MEN that he is.

[@baronvonbeaten3567]

Lily is quite obviously Talim from Soul Caliber slightly modified. She even drones on about wind just like Talim. Haven't seen any videos mentioning it, but it's very obvious. Btw, if by "annoying" you mean Juri is awesome, I agree. Also, she's Tira from Soul Caliber. Think the same voice actress even does the character, but could be wrong. Basically, Street Fighter rips off Soul Caliber characters, but it's okay.

[@sigurdtheblue]

Hm... You have a point. Ironic that they would make a character like Tira before the older Talim (more than 10 years later). But I think she is more practical than Talim and seems to be more important in the story, which I appreciate.

[@phillipyoung4025]

Juri is bae. Dude tripping. It's great to finally have a female sadistic villain with a great design.

[@juanca2567]

I didn’t like when Juri came back as it felt like she overstayed her welcome. I know she has more story than Hakan in Super Street Fighter 4, and Street Fighter 5 was acceptable as a return because she had a vendetta against M. Bison. But Street Fighter 6 has no motivation for her. It just doesn’t feel like a game she would be in when the game is on the main world warriors and newcomers teaching new pupils (the custom avatars) their fighting styles when Juri would only care about herself. She would only help for her own benefit, and what benefit is there to teaching a student when she prefers to do things alone?

[@EGreeneConversations]

Juri's voice lines are annoying as hell compared to any of the other characters in 6. Her voice is just entirely too grating and the stuff she says to sound 'edgy' is just cringey as heck.

[@fuchila2point0]

Rufus is a weird but great design and gameplay. Bringing him back where he has been humbled down, and become a bit more fit would be awesome. Showing some growth. Aracune would be great if his mobility would be increased and his curse brought down some. Abel gameplay and the character could use a little love. Juris design and gameplay needs nothing. Remember feet are the nads of the legs. Hands are always focused on so yeah, Quinton Tarantino has entered the chat lol

[@jurtheorc8117]

For some slack on Rufus as well: i've read that in his story, his interest in martial arts came from action movies, but he didn't keep it at that-- he, out of genuine interest, put in effort to travel abroad, study and practice martial arts from different points and sources, to experience and decided for himself what would work and what wouldn't, and adapt stuff to his own fighting style. That's really respectable dedication.

[@philithegamer8265]

​@@jurtheorc8117Still a super lame character

[@Gensolink]

the problem with kune is that he's a feast or famine type of character, his neutral sucks and his mobility is sub par. The only saving grace he has are his instant air dash cancel which allows some nasty mixups and if he opens you you're pretty much dead. He's a polarizing character that either feel like either the most free match up in existence or the most bullshit character you've ever gonna see

[@Antarctide]

@@philithegamer8265 Just say you hate overweight people

[@Not_a_proxy]

I will actually turn +R off if I get matched against a justice player. As an aba player that matchup is just the most infuriating thing ever

[@Blacknight6577]

Ya no Juri isn’t going anywhere as she basically became a staple to SF like Ken, Cammy, and Guile but not on the same level of Ryu and ChungLi.

[@Boyzby]

I think Juri is really cool, but I don't remember her being evil in SFV. It has been a really long time since I've done that story though. Rashid is also really cool, but he feels more like someone from an anime fighter and not Street Fighter, so he's just super annoying to fight.

[@Nelsathis]

I wouldnt see her as evil at all. Maybe something like chaotic neutral. While working for the bad guys in IV, she ultimately went against them.

[@ivannatinkle8196]

I dont want juri to just be gone forever, however i feel like she could sit out a game or two

[@ggamemaster1689]

I want to see whether Hakan will make a comeback in st6 because he is a interesting character with crazy gimmicks.

[@carlosaugusto9821]

Hakan is great and really must return someday. Ideally in a game with multiple supers because I'm curious to see how he fights under that base that is different from SF4.

[@drvincemd]

Hakan and El Fuerte are the 2 big ones I want to come back, El Fuerte was my first pick when I first played Street Fighter and I just love Luchadors in general and Hakan was my first hardcore main and the first grappler I ever played in a fighting game

[@jasonanno3881]

If nothing else just to hear James Chen say oil a billion more times

[@Delightfully_Witchy]

Patroklos Alexander from Soul Calibur 5 is easily one of the worst fighting game characters and they absolutely should never bring him back. He was an obnoxious skillgate character who was annoying to fight and bad to play and narrativewise he was praised as this pure noble Mary-Sue who killed off beloved characters and ruined lives. He pretty much came dead last in the popularity poll for a reason and SC6 whole plot is about making sure he never comes back. *HE'S THAT BAD.*

[@Hazzzyyyyyy]

Arakune has a great character design and amazing animations. That being said he is pure cancer taken character form. BB has some stupid characters but Arakune players are the reason why having a pocket Nine is a good idea.

[@Dom_Maretti]

I remember reading someone complaining about R. Mika because they "want to be able to play the game in public without being seen as a pervert". The same person was also complaining about Darkstalkers as a whole (but especially Morrigan and Felicia), so I think the guy might have just been a puritan.

[@AlexanderMartinez-kd7cz]

I hate arakune as much as the next guy but blazblue's whole thing is that the game always keeps growing and adding. he has to be there. I can take some warcrimes.

[@toolazytomakeaytnameup2457]

I remember going on holiday, and the place we were staying had a kids club with an Xbox that had street fighter 4. I remember everyone wanting to play as rufus just because he was different in personality, playstyle, and physically. I think they should definitely bring him back in 6.

[@Astra_351]

I am sorry but Rufus epic on his stupid way. I love him

[@henrygrey7857]

There’s one thing we know is that we ARE TRAPPED IN THE WORLD OF SFIII

[@sigurdtheblue]

Ah, that old nursery rhyme.

[@Ramxenoc]

I want C.Viper and El Fuerte back man

[@habanerodash447]

Same

[@punkypony5165]

Same I need C.Viper back.

[@Perdix64]

I think some of these are characters that scare people too, like Arakune is horrific and Zappa is a possessed dude.

[@a_bar_of_soap]

I like Abel. I think if he somehow came back in 6 (doubtful), he has a lot of story potential to expand upon. He could potentially really come into his own.

[@Nightwolf-yp3ws]

It would be very Capcom-ish to bring Rufus back to the series while keeping characters like C.Viper under lock and key.

[@nubberton1345]

I love Rufus, it makes me sad everyone hates him. He can use a little redesign and tweaking with how he plays but I love the idea of his character. A fat super American biker that’s an incredibly agile martial artist.

[@Arthurmagicknight]

Rufus is my second favorite character in the entire SF franchise (Hakan being number one), so I also feel really upset when so many people just straight up trash him. I love his design, I love his personality, and I love the way he plays. I hate it when people say he needs to never return (and that's much nicer than how most people say it) because it's not fair to those of us that genuinely enjoy the character. I hate characters like Guy, for instance, but I don't go around trashing him because I know he has fans.

[@jurtheorc8117]

i've read too that he, for himself and out of genuine interest for martial arts, went to study abroad and experience and learn for himself from different sources what martial arts techniques work (or would work for him specifically) and which ones wouldn't. All because he got interested in it from action movies. This is respectable dedication and something to emulate, i believe: Being willing to learn while being critical, and doing serious effort to learn about something beyond looking up stuff on internet or the closest MA course.

[@AndyTF141]

7:15 able has a really hard problem to fix, he is redundant... blond grappler relevant to the plot? Bring alex, he is more fun.

[@DarthTayder]

Been enjoying the effort put into the list videos recently JM!

[@emperormegaman3856]

Abel should definitely come back in a post Street Fighter 5 game. See the main problem people have with him is that his personality is bland. That's a issue that would be so ridiculously easy to fix in a way that'd make sense. Personality is developped through life and experiences. Being a artificial human with no memories and in a pretty serious mission, it make sense for him to lack personality. They could easily say that following Bison's Defeat and after coming to terms with his past, he got to travel and experience the world, thus justifying a more lively Abel.

[@AthrinZala08]

Hear me out, if they do bring back Rufus, do so with a crazy plot redesign. Rufus is now in shape and in law enforcement trying to hunt Ken Masters down. His old grudge pushed him into joining a police academy as a way to get even with Ken and make money on the side to boot.

[@MyHeadHz]

That'd be hilarious

[@ArmadisRock]

Nah, let him be large, just give him more stuff based around it. Think Paul Blart but with jiggle physics

[@sinenomine2681]

No. Rufus has successfully eaten Ken Masters. As a consequence, on top of his original move set from SF4, he has all of Ken's moves and is now 10% fatter than ever before. Upon his launch in SF6, Ken will no longer be playable - nor will you be able to find him in world tour mode. Gotta make room for his jiggle physics.

[@BATCHARRO]

"It's never gonna happen but they should get rid of Juri." My man, she's literally in the game now. They'd have to un-announce her. You see a new SF trailer and it's like "New Fighter, Remy, and Juri...'s cancellation." Naw I know what they meant but honestly, Juri's become what they wanted out of Crimson Viper, and she's been popular enough to put her in 3 games with less push (Viper was in MVC3 remember.) I think the science is settled on Juri.

[@allcapcomeverything3866]

I can't agree on Juri being much of a trope. If anything she actually subverts a very popular trope, the "Tae-Kwon-Do fighter with an overbearing sense of justice" trope, which was only broken one other time by Hwoarang from Tekken. As for the foot thing, Capcom has been flaunting Chun-li's legs and Cammy's (lack of an) ass for many many years and nobody complains. The game has been "fetish fighter" since almost its inception, for better or worse. And this is coming from someone who's a huge fan of the series.

[@platypuspracticus2]

Rufus is a fun character and ahould come back. Unfortunately, the style of divekick that Rufus uses has been banned by Capcom devs, it seems. They've deliberately avoided including any of those characters again or having any new characters with that style of divekick. Just like they banned the Fei Long style of rekka and any characters using thay same input style.

[@bl1ndpr0phet]

I personally like Abel (he’s kind of a weirdo and I loved playing him), and I miss him but I’m excited to try Manon out in SF6 just so I can at least enjoy a similar play style lol.

[@cylondorado4582]

Yeah, I always thought Abel was really super plain, but when I actually tried him I thought his moveset was a lot of fun.

[@karuamiruku]

Rufus biggest design sin is that they make him disgusting. Capcom has this thing with designing big character to be.. kind of a freak. Abigail, Birdie, even Zangief to an extent. he wants me to smell his muscles lmao wtf

[@glawrk2861]

I think people who are like "Stay Dead please" are so close-minded. There's always room for reworks or redesigns. Look at Seth in SFV. In SF4 the response was mostly negative, but Capcom tried again and people seem to like the end result.

[@Parasil]

I loved twelve but in my heart I know he's never coming back

[@tikazombie37]

my pick is the evil-ryu and akuma clones. kage was a mistake. oni was also a mistake.

[@spirto1279]

I mean comparing Abel to other non-Ryu SF protagonists really shows how much he got the short end of the stick. Rashid and Luke are far more charismatic, Luke got a massive improvement in 6, and Alex had an iconic design and a very unique personality for a protagonist. Abel just kinda exists, there's nothing really special about him. He's just some white guy

[@karnovrpg]

Rufus is an awesome character and I want him back, fatter than ever. No joke, no troll, I legit love Rufus and thought he was THE most fun of the original SF4 newcomers hands down. While everyone was complaining about Rufus' divekicks, those same haters begged for Yun in Arcade Edition, and he ended up being worse.

[@the805paradox]

💯 Rufus rocks and was definitely top 5 funnest character in the game

[@magma8468]

I'd like Dampierre from the Soul Calibur series to come back There was something magical about him being a DLC character in SCV (the only one in the game, at that), especially since was is the worst character in the game. You weren't paying for a good character, you were paying for a funny character.

[@michel0dy]

I know Ed was on the leaked illustrations for SF6, but if they do bring him back I hope he gets a big overhaul. His gameplay is not my favourite but it's alright, but his design and personality are big nopes from me. If he matures more he could become more interesting.

[@Zansatsu-0379]

I'd even alter his idle stance. It's supposed to look like a boxer who is light on his feet, but it really doesn't come across like that. Instead, it looks like a dude who is wearing a back brace and standing completely sideways...oh and he has boxing gloves, I guess.

[@kazueglassheardt7185]

Ed is such a weird character. And even weirder was that his art showed him as being really slim but in game he's looks really weird and Bulky.

[@Zansatsu-0379]

@Kazue Glassheardt Yeah, in cutscenes he looks like Eminem with that hoodie on, then he suddenly gets the proportions of his mentor Balrog.

[@Tech_D3mon]

It's kinda funny, Zappa is my mother's favorite character

[@Legend0588]

Rufus was dope! I think he will be back for sure.

[@PedroFernandoPereiraBogado]

The only thing people like about Luke is that he is OP. SF Popeye would have not appeal if he was balanced

[@tophat6716]

Don’t say that to rufus he’s cool :(

[@FAMCHAMP]

Juri's feet alone is gonna keep her in StreetFighter for a long time Capcom always milks the horny cash cow then always try to play the innocent route like they had no idea what they be doin 😂

[@zeroxlulu]

I personally would love to see Rufus come back, he was a bit off putting at first but he grew on me quick. Unfortunately it seems like what determines whether or not you become a mainstay is how horny you make the fans *cough*Juri*cough* *Cough*Ibuki*cough*

[@andrewjackson7511]

Soul Calibur: Patrokolos/Pyrrha, don’t remind players of that awful story. The guest characters in the franchise were also strange, starkiller and Yoda in particular. Super smash: Pichu was never relevant and should just be a costume for pikachu.

[@KevinEDF]

I have never played fighting games and I don't intend to in the future but I watch all of your videos, a testament to your great video creation and personality 😆

[@Jackaljkljkl]

I hate Rufus's character/visual design, but he is fun to play as in terms of his moveset.

[@Musko1]

Abel deserves a come back, sfv was a mistake in general lol. juri made it 3 games in a row? not sure how.. lol

[@Mr.Smiley_J]

Lore-wise, Arakune stresses me out. He devours the fighters he defeats in battle, as well as the kaka people, and adds their bones to his body as weapons. 😐

[@Moqlnkn]

Rufus's ridiculous belly physics was one of the things that got me into fighting games. Just sayin'.

[@akilcharles3473]

I'm more on the side on actually liking Rufus, for 1 he is the most athelic fat man in Street Fighter (aside from Honda & maybe Birdie) and is self taught in kung-fu martial arts & is really good at it....DAN! Not to mentioned he kinda reminds me of a fat Paul Pheonix travelling around the world on his motorcycle looking for fights and wanting to strongest fighter, only difference is he has his girlfriend Candy travelling alongside with him. How could anybody says he's ugly and yet he was able to have girlfriend lol. And tho some of his dialogue could be somewhat degrading he does actually come out at funny sometimes. Like that SF X Tekken trailer with him & Bob duking it out in Law's restaurant, that whole scene was hilarious. He's not my top pick of him ever returning back in SF6 but I would gladly love to see him come back with a whole new design and gameplay. Plus we needed that comic relieve character among others in the game lmao.

[@reperfan4]

I always really liked Rufus's concept. There's...I guess I'd call it "deliberatly contrasting dynamics" in his design that make him really stand out to me as opposed to characters that are more straightforward in how they present themselves. The obvious example being that he's a big guy, but his gameplay is fast. Usually when a character is meant to be fast or slow they've done a great job of conveying that in design. Ibuki and El Fuerte are going to be more agile than Zangief or Honda, and you can tell just by looking at them. You might say that that's not great design because you're being presented with misleading visual information and I'd agree if it happened regularly across the cast. But the fact that Rufus is the ONLY character who breaks that mold made it pretty obvious to me that the contrast is what they were deliberately aiming for. He was supposed to be a character who wasn't what he seemed on the surface. Which also translated to his story and personality. Yes, it's annoying and abrasive, but again that's just the contrast to his actual skill and competence. Rufus is a couch potato who liked kung fu action movies so much he went to China and trained a bit until he could pull off the cool kind of moves he liked from the movies. It's not a fighting style that should work (being based on unrealistic spectacle rather than any kind of practicality or even sport) and his minimal background and training in martial arts should mean he shouldn't be able to fight effectively at all. And yet he's turned it into an actually working style to the point where Rufus may be one of the most prodigal martial arts geniuses in the canon. And that's backed up by canon, as many of the other characters' win quotes against him actually praise Rufus for how much he's been able to do, how skillful he actually is, or how he'd be a major threat if he just got his attitude together. Again, here it's the contrast that makes him stand out. He's basically Dan but if Dan actually had the skill and competence to back up his bluster. I'd really love to see Rufus come back and have that design be iterated on. I think as long as they don't make him skinny and keep his rushdown gameplay there's room to iterate on his personality to start slowly showing him actually gaining mastery and competence over time while mellowing out his attitude. With the right attention to character development and shaving off the rough edges that make people not like him so much over time I think you could do some really cool things with the character.

[@griffonsarcade]

as a FANG player, I'm surprised I didn't see him on this list