Point-Style Footwork (Karate/TKD) for MMA

[@HajimeNoJMo]

I did Taekwondo between my years as a child to when I was a teenager. I started boxing and kickboxing in my twenties. I’ll admit the Taekwondo training has helped me with my dexterity and flexibility and how to stick and move. Once I got comfortable with the basics of boxing and kickboxing, it helped me with my counter oriented style.

[@cookiegiver6044]

Perfect combination. Kick boxing, TKD, ju jutsu

[@nacktheslayer9882]

Once you figure out how to blend taekwondo with your kickboxing/muay thai sparring becomes so much fun! they never see the kicks coming lmao.

[@dav3155]

Real

[@Noname-lk2ol]

I'm a boxer and use this style of stance. My coach didnt Like it at first but then realized I used it effectively so let it stick

[@amartyapandit]

How the hell will this help you. You can't throw left hooks or uppercut easily. Youre likely to be knocked of balance. Or cross your legs and it also tires you quickly due to all that hopping. I do encourage thinking differently but this stance is not good to use all the time

[@Kamingo170]

@@amartyapandit wrong. This stance doesn't use alot of energy, and it's the most ideal stance. I do taekwondo and karate, both styles have the hopping to them just slight variation. It's effective

[@amartyapandit]

@@Kamingo170 explain how will you pivot your body when Punching. How will you throw front kicks or knees. And turning fully like that will also make slipping much harder because your legs are fully 90 degrees. It's good for point scoring Martial arts. But in boxing matches. Youll end up being punched in the nose like one of my friends did

[@Kamingo170]

@@amartyapandit well for starters I don't box, ive sparred boxers/kickboxers before, it's not hard to pivot my body for hook punches in that stance at all, I mostly throw karate style blitzing so I rarely get my face hit . I compete in many point taekwondo tournaments and point karate tournaments as well.

[@amartyapandit]

@@Kamingo170 Well everyone's got a strategy of their own. I encourage you use yours.

[@MindSmashReal]

amazing work, thank you

[@fighttips]

Thank you, sir -- big fan of your work 🙏

[@elisabethmandell4902]

My two favorite martial arts channels on KZbin

[@monsterhunternathanultimat4114]

I'm a big fan and btw, can u do a video on tenshin and Ryan garcia speed? Or have u done already

[@mrstrdknmabalz1412]

Yello

[@joneh9483]

Elisabeth Mandell ikr this just made my day

[@mmmcortez3382]

3:00 damm ya boi fast af looking like a fighting game side step

[@sennengoroshi139]

I know WTF

[@valentinr4752]

I'm waiting for the irl Korean back dash tutorial

[@erikhernandezzz9272]

I was still looking at the comment and he moved hella fuckin fast in the top corner of my eye 😂😂

[@khabibnurmagomedov7713]

Ikr

[@waterlegend72]

Ayy karate stuff. Thats new. Love seeing a mixture of styles on this channel

[@pooplicker8889]

Well, it is called fight tips. You're gonna see a lot more of martial arts that you've never seen before.

[@TyreeKai]

Great video. As a shotokan practitioner I would contend two things; one, your feet are not strictly on the same line, there is still a lateral distance between them, but they appear close together because generally karate stances are much longer than shown here. Secondly, the advantage of this stance with regard to leg kicks is that because the hips are already open as a pose to closed in a boxing/muay thai stance, it is very easy and quick to raise the front leg for a head hight kick, which is an unorthodox but very devestating way of checking an oponent trying to probe or close distance using a leg kick. While it isn't MMA, check WKF kumite matches to see this in action.

[@TomasAraujoff]

​@CatTheHitman ambos y ninguna. Lo principal para que entiendas cómo funciona, si es que no vas a un dojo, es saber saltar con las puntas de los pies y coordinar para que en ciertos saltos puedas avanzar o retroceder. Una vez lo naturalices, te recomiendo practicar en vez de saltar, hacer un brinco pero hacia abajo, cómo empujando tu cuerpo para abajo, y relajando para subir, de esta forma vas a tener mucha más potencia en golpes de largo alcance.

[@Nuggets_of_wisdom84]

You look like a videogame character when you slide in. Real smooth.

[@joelara4637]

unfortunately karate is still "neglected" in MMA: I hope that more and more integrate some of its characteristics and blows because although it is not so easy to adapt to MMA still has several characteristics beneficial to the fighter

[@chrischatwin4478]

Loyoto machida, gsp was even a karate background , stephen thompson and yuki kondo there all cirrent or ex ufc fighters :)

[@Ethan-rw7ub]

actually even conor mcgregor has a very karatesque stance

[@Sujiceel]

what do you mean by neglected? McGregor uses kamae (Karate stance) and a lot of Karate techniques

[@rahulyadav-yn6qs]

@@Sujiceel fuck mcgregor he too overrated

[@thedude2122]

If some of you are still a bit clueless as to how you can use this footwork Stuart Tomlinson did a great video on it called "freestyle kickboxing from mats to ring". Really covers alot more about the stance and more ways you can use it to attack.

[@toddb1208]

EggsGalore Gaming yea that Stuart Tomlinson has some mean style

[@ChibiDeadPool]

Thanks

[@thedude2122]

Don’t mean to throw shade at Shane but he has a lot of good stuff

[@jasonblahafitness1766]

Thedude 21 thanks for info bro, have a great day

[@Doskharaas]

Okuri=Sending Ashi=a leg/s or a foot/feet

[@fighttips]

손지상 thank you!

[@aleysibbs2461]

Thank you for doing this most people think karate a joke, which is not. Point karate is exactly like that, the rules can change too depending on what style of karate.

[@davidsith3091]

Also its so much easier to throw a back kick, or spinning hook kick from there. And much faster.

[@kylewilliams2740]

David Sith.. i agree with you on that. But the more squared you are, the more punching power. When i goto throw a spinning move i set it up with a jab so my body/hips automatically turns sideways.

[@cesaralvesdemoraes3187]

Kyle William s good solution. But you actually have more power on the power hand with sideways stance, (more space to rotate= more power generated)

[@cesaralvesdemoraes3187]

Also good for baiting single legs if you are good enough at defending them (Im not quite there yet lol)

[@davidsith3091]

true, that is why Im switching stances a lot. Always good to mix it up a little, and be unpredictable.

[@Subject__]

Kyle William s the more square dosent mean too much. its the stepping motion with a punch.

[@Gh0st_0723]

More on this please bro!!! Lol it's unfair how crisp you are in so many different styles. Truly a jack of all trades.

[@Slingshot96]

I like your video! No ego, just pure technical standpoint, clear instruction, and nice clean moves for the audience.

[@mauriciorv228]

I love this stance. So damn good for mobility and explosive short combos and making openings with faints + the best stance that controls distance IMo . Thai people struggle with these style a lot . My cousin is more thai and the only thing i am worried about is his low kick .

[@rcc8347]

I know what you’re talking about. I sparred with kick boxers a few times and the seem very slow to me. They always walk in to close the distance an i run away or counter and run

[@rudro5784]

@@rcc8347 well have you ever faced a muae thi fighter?i used to box...but used legs for just little kicks to close distance. That muae thi dude broke my left forearm with one roundhouse kick,and it was fast af. I was a street fighter so i thought he wont stand a chance. Now i am mma user....

[@rcc8347]

@@rudro5784 what you are basically saying is that you were untrained. BTW I don’t believe any martial art is stronger. I only believe in the fighter himself, his dedication to training, etc.

[@rudro5784]

@@rcc8347 well yes. Now i am pretty stable with muae thi styled mma,so yes dedication, and the way player fights is the most imp thing

[@RAWSND]

This stance is very good if striking is your goal. Moving in and out not only allows you to cover distance fast but messes with your opponents range. I do this to set up a technique either long range or get in close fast before getting out quick

[@rproblem6289]

I am a tkd 2 degree black belt and I tell you people Shane knows what he says ... I am impressed with the amount of knowledge you have on fighting Sports Dude

[@dragster100]

Great vid Shane. I used to practice WKF style karate hence I feel comfortable with this kind of blade stance. The one you did in the video is completely sideway, which is something that TKD practitioners do as they need to pop that fast lead sidekick or execute the back kick. But you're right about that completely sideway will make you prone to leg kick and takedown. For me (and probably for most of the WKF style fighters) our stance and body is more like "45 degree" instead of completely bladed like what you or the TKD guys are doing. I find it to be pretty good because while it strikes the balance between being able to dash in and dash out of range very quickly, it also allows the user to check some leg sweep/kick or moving sideway quickly. Lyoto Machida's blade stance is exactly the "45 degree" version. Both of your feet are not stepping on the same line with this version of blade stance and you may try it, it actually gives you pretty good mobility in moving forward and backward quickly, as well as very agile sideway movements.

[@epicfitnessmentalwarrior5799]

Thanks for sharing this information with us i will learn alot from yours videos thanks alot waiting for more :D all the best :)

[@rafailtopalis9618]

Epic Fitness Mental Warrior you sound like you are new. I assure you that indeed you will learn a lot from Shane. Welcome👊🏻

[@sampadchatterjee4913]

Hey Shane , I'm a Karate Fighter. It might look like we follow a side stance but actually we don't. The stance we follow is called Zenkutsu-dachi where the lead leg and back leg are at 45° angles.

[@NiCO.T.F92i]

That's the stance I have in muay-thaï, works well you're hard to hit and you can throw some crazy powerful kicks I like it

[@sennengoroshi139]

btu wouldnt the kicks be more telegraphed?

[@ssj360fan13]

Let's Go Shane!! I would love to see more traditional martial arts used in MMA its a testimony to their unique approach to effective combat! OSU

[@kevinthompson3569]

Thank you Shane. That was well explained. I'm a third degree black belt in taekwondo and I have been taking mma for 8 months. I am trying to apply taekwondo style to mma and this might help me.

[@bradleyterwilliger5548]

Thanks to Mr. Fazen I'll be going into my MMA fight April 6th prepared with no payed technical training due to lack of finances Let's get it @FIGHTTIPS

[@megatronnegron8280]

Good luck

[@spitfactsallday8658]

The little back foot turn when moving foward is some Bruce Lee shit yeah! 🙏🏽

[@IlicSorrentino]

A good boxer has the best from two worlds, speaking about feet positioning...

[@sahilchoudhary9075]

3:00 Damn Man that was pretty Fast!!!

[@Septumsempra8818]

great vid!!! I was taught not to bounce,but rather dip. it disguises your entry, whereas bouncing adds a telegraph to your entry.

[@guybormann4118]

The dip is used to harvest acceleration from gravity. The hopping increases the time you get to accelerate at the cost of being stuck to the rhythm...unless you vary it by phase shifts (varying timing) and syncopation (skipping beats). But you don't want to spend too much brain power on becoming unpredictable because it will also affect your own timing. From a stand-still, dipping is indeed the best way to accelerate stealthily because it doesn't require telegraphing posturing and footwork but it is not as explosive.

[@vincecv07]

If it wasn't for this video, i wouldn't be able to distinguish the difference in foot placement. Thank you for the vid shane!

[@ALee-2DAnimator]

Can we take a moment to discuss how beautiful this facility looks in EVERY video !!

[@goldenfantasy9251]

A brilliant stance shows good balance... power... speed... evasion... and especially intimidation.

[@robbboto]

OH MY GOD I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR A VIDEO LIKE THIS

[@LaxmanKumar-yp7lw]

true... after seeing McGregor defeated by those low kicks this January. amazing work by you.

[@TheSaneHatter]

Here’s a compromise theory: TKD also makes use of a forward-facing position called, “walking stance,” as well as the bladed position demonstrated here. It might be helpful to discuss that stance’s application in MMA, and also how TKD stylists can “transition” between the two positions, in general.

[@missis23]

Wooow a point-style tutorial!!! Please, if you can, do other tutorials like this, for pointfight/tkw/karate: footwork, kicks, blitz, explosive moves. Thanks for your great work :-)

[@buva704]

that staying low to the ground tip really hit the point. wp shane !

[@jacobhaney1797]

Love ur videos shane. Amazing tips, thank you💪

[@philbe20]

Articulate af! Fast and smooth brotha. Much love from Canada 🇨🇦

[@cameronhay1829]

I’ve been training for a few months now and I watch your channel every day your are my coach! Your videos are awesome . A video idea I would love to see would be to break down kicks in detail

[@anthonymalgiero4215]

I have a good mix of the two stances... Sort of a hybrid between the two. Instead of being on two tracks like Muay Thai or on one track like some styles of karate, straddle one track so that the heel of your back foot is slightly just off the outside of the track and the toe of the front foot is just slightly inside of the track so that instead of standing on the track you at straddling the track. Imagine your lead foot basically pointed toward your opponent and the inside of the foot touching the inside of the track with your rear foot pointed at either a 45° or 90° angle with the heel touching the outside of the track. Equally good for offense with the lead side weapons and the back side weapons and equally good for defense without squaring up too much like the Thai stance or blading too much like the karate stance. You can also still check leg kicks very effectively.

[@Pskinn]

sounds like a boxing stance

[@anthonymalgiero4215]

Skinner very similar 😉. Though a boxing stance is a little more squared up. But in reality it all depends on the boxing coach and boxer I guess.

[@Pskinn]

Anthony Malgiero Very true, only reason I caught it is because I have a similar stance aswell haha

[@oscarknopp1899]

Anthony Malgiero so kind of like the Niunja Sogi or L stance in ITF Taekwon-do?

[@anthonymalgiero4215]

oozguu I would say it's a mix between a boxing stance and Kenpo. I never did Taekwon do or that. I started with boxing and then Kenpo, old school American kick boxing, then Jeet kun do and the only reason I keep the front foot with toes pointed forward is to be able to check leg kicks. Especially those low leg kicks to the calf area that people are throwing a lot lately. But it does sound similar to whatever the L stance is because your feet sort of form an "L".

[@AllenhopeCabuangAllenski]

3:01 Your speed is unbelievable. I've tried to copy this and practice it but dang your speed is one of a kind. How do you do that my legs is crumping now 😂😂😂😂 🇵🇭🥋🥊

[@47RokuW]

It’s been a while🔥 Thank you

[@gregyancey2141]

Just another note, if your opponent fights like this, watch their heels. When they’re bouncing like that, notice how their heels softly touch the ground when they’re in a more relaxed position vs a firm planted heel before taking off for an attack or explosive motion. The heels can be a really good tell

[@gregyancey2141]

But great video and solid instruction 👍🏻

[@toddb1208]

Your videos are the bomb. Good work mate

[@crazymike-pz5jc]

Standing on railroad tracks seems to be easier for me to remember to fix my stance. Thanks

[@kylemcpherson1772]

That was some remarkable speed right there.

[@Cgerrex]

I am honestly surprised you made a video on this, I know it’s not so popular but if you can do more, I and many other sports competitors would enjoy it.

[@jamesmiles5662]

Personally I do sport karate/and Muay Thai,and I mix both styles,I fight in side stance bouncing southpaw,orthodox Muay Thai,just depends who your sparring as both styles are quite different in there ways,people say karate side stance is no good for real fighting because leg kicks,as all American kickboxers got smashed by Thai’s,but doesn’t make a difference if southpaw because they will be kicking into your shin which hurts,but being sweeped in side stance is the problem,good video👍

[@CoachCoebryCombat]

I train in a few martial arts myself and I noticed that I tend to mix the stances. I stand in a diagonal matter not squared up but not in a sideways stance either, also while american kickboxers lost because of leg kicks that was after they would land tons of punches on the Thai's

[@jamesmiles5662]

Misty Night Productions yes the side stance is amazing one,if your a kicker,because any spin attack so much quicker less telegraphed,sidekicks which are favourite can fire quick to head body or knee,hook kicks axe kicks all come fast and off course the blitz,and defensively works with shoulder roll less off a target,I don’t have problem with leg kicks as I started with Muay Thai and know how to defend them,but do get sweeped a lot,Thai stance is great defensively but for me more for aggressive fighters,take more damage that way,I prefer to fight on counter,yes if watch old fights American kickboxers and Thai,clearly America far superior skills and talent,but if can’t defend leg kicks you will get chopped down because Thai can take punishment there warriors,

[@CoachCoebryCombat]

James Miles your right on that I like to intercept my opponent and I use either leg checks or stop kicks

[@jamesmiles5662]

Misty Night Productions what martial arts do you do mate ??

[@CoachCoebryCombat]

James Miles kenpo jkd muay thai and 52 blocks

[@alexjackson1130]

Those leg chambers look effortless

[@tokiliam6015]

The stance you're demonstrating here is called kima sogi in Taekwondo and not the classical fighting stance. Usually you would turn your front foot by 90°, somewhat similar to what you're doing at 3:30 which is then called hugul sogi. The weight distribution should be around 80% on the back foot to avoid leg sweeps and to enable you to throw an ap chagi (front kick) much quicker. However I liked how you demonstrated, what you called the pendulum step and emphasized the importance of staying low. I should note, that I have a background in traditional Taekwondo, so other styles might have a different take on this.

[@Wushutigercranekungfudragon]

very important to mention that these styles alot of the time emphasize the power side forward versus other styles that put the power side in the rear.so people like bruce lee,superfoot wallace,holly holm, Jon jones,michael Bisping and wonderboy fight powerside forward!so alot of their strikes come off the the lead side side.yea some of these fighters switch stances.power versus speed

[@Brucelee-pv6uf]

2:40 move in out 2:45 move in ouf skipping 3:00 move in out 3:10 footwork :pendulm step / move in out 3:25 again

[@danielhounshell2526]

The way I was trained, at least in TKD, most people tend to go for a bit of an in-between of a front facing stance and a side stance, which is referred to as an olympic stance. It still allows a lot of that explosive footwork as well as making spinning kicks easier, while minimizing the disadvantages of a full side stance. Also, in my own training, I was taught not to actually let my feet leave the ground with that bounce, otherwise your opponent can just time their attacks with your bounce so you can't evade them. Also, while some instructors have their students keep their hands low, it's actually a much better idea to keep them either high or in the middle, even in a point-fighting scenario, as kicks to the head score for a lot more.

[@seandawdy]

Great video about stances, glad you branched off and went into some karate and tkd footwork. I appreciate it.

[@JMRVRGS]

*Point-style 👣*

[@brucebarthalow7777]

As a taekwondo practioner training with m.m.a.guys.I've learned to counter the leg kick,by throwing front foot side kick or front foot hook kick pretty effectively.give it a try

[@IncredibleMD]

I think the way to describe the step in would be like being on a trampoline. You want to push off into the step in at the same point in your landing that you'd push off a trampoline for max height. The only difference being, you're on solid ground. That way, you're digging into the ground and forming a solid platform to generate power not just with the weight of your body, but with the weight of your body, combined with the acceleration of your body weight via gravity, AND with the elastic properties of the tendons in your ankles and knees.

[@SkylineFanboy]

Can you actually mix both this jumpy TKD Side Stance with the more squared Stance like Muay Thai? I remember a former coach in my Kickboxing gym who had a very Muay Thai-esque stance but still had this jumpy nature to his stance you see in TKD/Karate.

[@vladimirdjordjevic7626]

EL3GYFighter yea

[@vladimirdjordjevic7626]

EL3GYFighter i ve been training karate for 8 years and i can say that you are not supposed to jump always and your body have 45degree angle.What Shane did is teakwondo stance ,not karate, but footwork is same in karate and teakwondo

[@Danarcis]

I do TKD, and the stance we use is a bit less a straight line compared to the one Shane showed. The main thing we want to have available in our TKD stance is the ability to spin backwards. Which means that the back foot must have relatively easy access to get around your front foot. Otherwise it will be too telegraphed. But we do that with a slightly more squared off stance. We're still constantly stepping though

[@mrstrdknmabalz1412]

vladimir djordjevic kinda my thought too. Because karate stance is not that sideway, most of the time. But of course, you have another stance, horse riding stance which pretty much is like what he demonstrated

[@aquin1798]

Take a look at savate's footwork. Its square but they still bounce.

[@ChrisViljoenAwesome]

Dude you are freaking fast! Awesome videos!

[@rohitdeepsingh9153]

This footwork has quite helped me i was able to move in and out quite faster my opponent didnt expected that and i was able to land some heavey shots

[@MobiusCoin]

Awesome stuff! As always!

[@christiani7592]

Make a series where you meet different martial arts practitioners and learn from them

[@alecheim3315]

This is great! Very thought provoking.

[@blackychan8570]

In boxing, if the dudes guard is open in the middle, or his front guard is compromised, you'll be a demon in the ring using this 😈

[@senlikshoots]

Never clicked so fast

[@rowdyzack5914]

That moment when Shane mentions Wonderboy and for a second you think Wonderboy has gone full Prince 3rd person

[@jaybizarre638]

Should cover more karate stances and strikes in future videos etc. Pretty different compared to other videos you do so nice job dude stepping out of the comfort zone :) based on what I know I think the bouncing "pulsing" Is mainly seen in shotokan style and in the kumite's. Nice job Shane

[@rkumar570]

Thank you Shane from Trinidad....

[@AcceleratingUniverse]

More videos on this topic would be awesome

[@yubukai]

Good points well made.

[@Juniverse0]

3:00 did he just...wavedash?

[@The_Isaiahnator]

Dorya!

[@ayannjjjjjjiiyyy]

most effective stance

[@daredevil2724]

ive always been a very square muay thai style fighter and wanna try something new this feels so weird to me but i like it

[@Damlja]

Rose Namajunes i think does this stance too, was looking for a video about it but couldnt find it, really love watching her fights alot cuz of her movement .

[@iwanttofeelaliveandexperie2872]

Petar Damljanovic yeah she originally started with tkd

[@noumanmuhammad794]

Your video are helpful for me I have no trainer I learned self defense from your channel

[@studentsofmartialarts6247]

Very insightful Shane. Thank you. Here to learn

[@themartialartist1929]

Love it shane

[@ayohab5757]

Much respect brother

[@rdm4440]

Yes.. Karate.. Please create more video about karate

[@doganb34]

Great video, very accurate information as well. Thanks man

[@jj-wp6wc]

Nice hook kick from kibe dachi!

[@NYKgjl10]

Excellent video and good fundamentals.

[@burhankhalil9736]

Hey fighttips!

[@theredninja2817]

something nobody ever talks about karate style might be open for late kicks but Muay Thai style with that square stance is open for a groin shot in the streets

[@black1582]

Great video!

[@digits001]

Taekwondo might go completely sideways, but point style karate keeps the upper body turned forward. the front leg and foot faces forward and the back foot is 45 degrees

[@allenee3108]

I think using a bladed stance for long range is optimal, then transitioning into MT stance for mid/clinch range. Also, the hands at the side (to drape over torso) is primarily a TKD thing because the square-off range in TKD is just beyond the kicking range, so there is very little threat to the head from a kick, but fast kicks to the torso are more likely.

[@369someguy]

Omg thank you for this I'm just about to hit my first K.boxing and its point based

[@davidbaker4879]

Great teacher

[@notproductiveproductions3504]

The way I see it, there’s three types of martial artists: The Kata Guys (aka Jake Mace): don’t really care that much about fight theory, rather the techniques (both classic and modern) and philosophical wisdom The Street Survivalists: trains primarily for self defense and fighting off thugs and crackheads (will sometimes strive for a respect commanding physique) The Star Chasers: if your anything like Goku, your one of them

[@kinga12ification]

thank you so much shane i did both mistakes you pointed out thx

[@TheBlidget]

Fantastic video but how dare you not mention kyoji horiguchi :p

[@domhnaillomuiri2905]

In japanese style kickboxing we have a point section ....we also do continues combat ,kata ,and grappling

[@Standbyme08]

Thanks Shane 👍

[@nicholasnj3778]

to avoid the low kick just slide the front leg back into a Thai Type stance (Called a Cat stance in Karate) then explode into the cross on the retraction of the opponents kick OSS

[@ricksfacts7013]

you helped for a tornament that im doing and this really help

[@puppykitten4779]

Footwork are very important, can u please do more video about different footwork?

[@jovanspasic5020]

Look into WKF (world karate federation) shotokan kumite because you didn’t mention the stance there uses. It’s a stance in between the traditional karate stance facing your opponent, and that “taekwondo” or the the side stance. No one in the uses the side stance that’s in one line because you’re prone to sweeps, since there’s no kicking below the weights line. It provides the explosives, the power, and the balance over the two stance which is why it’s so much more popular. There was a time where both stances you mentioned were used, but it’s evolved to and in between stance to get the best of both worlds, as well as to comply with the new style of kumite.

[@noahjanowski9646]

In my karate class, our stance have our feet a bit different. Our back leg is side ways, perfect to throw a round house kick; our front foot is straight forward, perfect for front snaps, quick knees, push kicks, etc. Not saying that my way is better or anything like that, just saying how I learned for you guys as well.

[@vaibhavnegi6637]

*When it comes to the best karate style in MMA,Stephen "Wonderboy" Thompson is the best of all time even better than Lyoto Machida.*

[@davidb8831]

Vaibhav Negi His foot work is more TKD than actual Karate kenpo is not Karate from Japan it’s American karate chop suy. Wonder boy does not represent karate.

[@davidb8831]

Asshat Apocalyptica karate is a martial art from Okinawa Japan it developed before TKD and that doesn’t mean it gave birth to TKD. They are fundamentally different in both theory and application so no wrong.

[@josephfantasma4657]

Kyokushin & Goju Ryu is the real deal that's the real traditional Karate & original mma & kickboxing

[@davidb8831]

Joseph Fantasma kyokushin is relatively new. Started by a wrestler to be a more hardcore combat sport version of shotokan.

[@jakecastillo2872]

I have to agree with you mate, stephen wonderboy represent karate in mma as Goat