Figuring out when Circus Baby's Pizza World opened // FNaF Theory

[@bubbleshock14]

I really like the idea that William blamed Elizabeth's death on the spring lock suit. That's why Circus Baby is still active

[@EmmaBunny88]

AT LAST someone mentions the bed in her room! I've been saying this for years and no one has ever thought it important.

[@joshuamcgonagle5455]

I think it is important to the lore.

[@spindashstudios9720]

I always believed it was in 1986. After the first Freddy’s closed and Afton’s original remnant farm was gone. As to why she wasn’t in FNAF 4? Summer camp, simple as that.

[@luluu0101]

great video, really compelling. I am somewhat torn, because i was never convinced Elizabeth died first or that Pizza World existed so early. I took Hand Units line as pretty good proof that it Afton didn't make the funtimes until after Fnaf 1 shutdown. but the evidence you brought up with the springlock suit is something ive never actually heard before. how would a post 87 and fnaf1 location have a springlock suit before it opens.. i guess it wouldn't. for the first time ever, i am really opening up to the idea that pizza world is so early in the timeline..

[@joshuamcgonagle5455]

11:04 I think that the Baby poster is advertising the upcoming grand opening of CBPW.

[@I_Pizza]

Good video! I agree with most of the points here… a few notes though 😅 Im not sure what your stance is for who was convicted in FNAF1, but if someone else is convicted other than William, that could give him some leeway to open CBPW, potentially in disguise, since the newspaper frames him as a “local entrepreneur.” Second, it seems like Golden Freddy is used in FNAF2, since he’s drawn on the wall singing, so I’m not sure they’re banned before then. I do agree the springlock suit was probably the reason for the MSSF, but im thinking it happens at a later point in time, maybe at CBEAR. Lastly, ITP game seems to incorporate a ton of different ideas from different eras. Freddy looks like he has endo-02, yarg foxy’s there, fnaf6 paper pals might be there, toy bonnie, among other weird things. While it may be “set” in 1985, my guess is it’s warped so that things from other eras get incorporated.

[@sambar2772]

Thank you! And to answer your points: 1) I don't think we should focus on the FNaF 1 newspaper that much because it's the first game of the franchise and some details got changed along the way. But if I were to pick who got convicted. It's most likely Afton. Because they literally saw him on camera. 2) I don't think the idea of Springlocks were fully there in FNaF 2. If it was then GF would've had 5 fingers. I think Scott just wanted an excuse to put GF in FNaF2. But if you want a lore reason. Maybe the company were gonna only use GF in Animatronic mode and no one would use it's suit mode. I don't think the banning of Spring suits happens after the MCI. Because the next phone call talks about Spring Bonnie being moved after the banning. So that means it was banned before the MCI. 3) I don't really see Freddy having an endo 02. I think it's just a generic metal rib cage. And the others were already established to exist in the 80s. Yarg Foxy was probably just sold back then. The FNaF 6 paperpalls were bought from a category. So it was probably from an old location. Toy Bonnie and the other toys existed in '83 as with the other toys as seen in FNaF 4, CoD and HW 2. And I mean. Even if you want to argue that the ballpit is inaccurate. There's plenty of more evidence outside of it.

[@Taro_Yanada]

I actually agree on most things. I always believed the Funtimes should actually be made to kidnap kids and sent them to the experimentation rooms, instead of just killing the kids. The night 4 springlock suit is what would do that. It was probably a proto-Funtime animatronic made by Afton, but seeing that FE banned them, he just discarded them and made the Funtimes. I disagree with most of the things said afterwards. I think it's a good theory. But i don't really think that the "Sister Location" named in FNAF 3 is the game SL, by more the name references it.

[@ennard1789]

Great video! I agree with the conclusion. Also, off topic, but just wanted to ask, what theories do you believe in regards to the fredbear plush and midnight motorist? Personally, I'm currently torn between MCIMM, AndrewExperimentMM and BVMM but I want to know your opinion.

[@sambar2772]

I do plan on making a MM video. But what I will say is: If FNaF 6 was supposed to tie up all loose ends. I don't really think MM would show a new victim.

[@ennard1789]

​​​@@sambar2772 I kinda agree. This is why I lean more towards MCIMM, because MM, Fruity Maze and Security Puppet are all needed for the Lorekeeper ending, an ending which shows us an image of graves of Afton's victims. And both Fruity Maze and Security Puppet are minigames about Afton's victims, who are present on the graves image, so logically speaking, MM kid should be one of the graves. But narratively I like AndrewExpMM so much, that I just can't let it go :( Either way, I'm excited for your MM video, so now it's time for me to sit and wait patiently.

[@sambar2772]

You forget that at the time. The fans chose whether we get UCN or an endless tycoon mode. So I don't think Scott had plans of bringing in a new victim until after FNaF6 was released

[@sambar2772]

How can an endless tycoon mode have lore at all that involve a secret victim.

[@FazbearsMenagerie]

In 1983 we have the Diner open, and Circus Baby (Funtime Foxy) and Freddy Fazbear and Diner merchanise in the form of toys in the children's bedrooms. Fazbear mechanise would release these around the time when the restaurant was in business, to promote the brand. Suggesting a 1983 open date. Also, Phone Guy's dialogue of "after learning of an... incident" - suggesting no first hand information. Then his later dialogue of not being sure of the name of the Diner could mean he never worked there - where the event took place.

[@shantishan1172]

blaming elizabeth's death on the springlock suit would be unlikely, i think it would only bring much more problems to william, why would elizabeth be even close to a pringlock suit? did someone put her there? either way the rest of the theory is very solid, i loved the fact that u pointed put how william is obsessed with his creations and always comes back to them

[@ScentofaSnake]

I like a lot of the points you made, but one thing I'd say is that we don't know the person Afton is talking to in the SL opening cutscene is from Faz Ent, we just know it's some kind of board member. Even then we don't know that Faz Ent has any kind of say in what William should do with his company, there's nothing reallt stopping him from having a springlock. Also for why he'd create the funtimes after the MCI, if he made them to try and find the key to immortality, he could still do that after the MCI. The MCI murders don't reallt help him figure out how to be immortal after all, abd even in the books he melts them down just to try figuring it out, so it's not like he's That attached to them. Still really good video for the most part!!

[@sambar2772]

Afton Robotics is under the umbrella of Fazbear. Afton is still using their characters. So whatever he does has to go through Fazbears first. So a spring suit that is supposed to be a mascot for the restaurant must be accepted with Fazbears. He didn't kill the 5 kids for immortality. He wanted to, as said in the Silver Eyes, "love". He wanted a perfect family of his own like Henry did. And now because of Baby/Elizabeth, He knows that kids can come back after dying in suits. Even in the Silver eyes he doesn't try to understand how they came back, he just lives with them. And he didn't melt the robots down in TFC to figure out how they came back. (He already knew how). He melted them down so they can be more subservient to him, since they attacked him in The Twisted Ones. And to help him cheat death, after getting springlocked, by putting pieces of the robots on him. Anyways Thank You :)

[@ImperatorFrank]

Interesting theory, it makes a, lot of sense. The only thing I wonder about is A: when does the main character(not sure if its really the crying child or Michael) experience the game of FNAF4 and B: when does Michael experience the gameplay of Sister Location?

[@sambar2772]

The player of the FNaF 4 nightmares is Mike. And SL most likely takes place after FNaF 1

[@cleaveuntome42]

6:15 Henry was there when charlie died. So at minimum ingeneral and because of charlie... id consider him a suspect

[@luluu0101]

where is this stated?

[@Cupdev]

one thing, if afton did change his identity, then why did the person in the intro cutscene when opening sister location for the first time say "those weren't the design choices we were curious about mr afton"?

[@sambar2772]

The cutscene is before Afton commits the missing children incident and changing identities

[@Chills-zb9lj]

Awesome theory

[@aedaniammx7559]

Do we know if Circus Baby’s Pizza World is under Fazbear Entertainment? Because if it isn’t, then the Springlock suit wouldn’t be any kind of timeline evidence, right? Fazbear banned employees from using them, but it’s not like they were outlawed by the state or anything

[@sambar2772]

The Pizza World is defiantly under Fazbear Entertainment. They literally use Fazbear characters and the characters appear in the survival logbook a fazbear entertainment product