Film Theory: Okay Marvel, It’s Time to PANIC (Ant-Man Quantumania) Reaction!

Since the latest Marvel film Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania's release, many fans have been, or are just now seeing the struggles the MCU is facing during their latest phases, and are questioning what is next to come for the future of Marvel movies. Film Theory helps put into perspective how deep of a crisis Marvel is in since Quantumania has been released. Even if you liked Quantumania, do you believe there are problems that are still not being dealt with in the MCU?
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[@sonicboomkj]

FilmTheory may have a point because a lot of people keep forgetting that Wandavision was not suppose to be the first tv show. Also Dr Strange2 was supposed to be released before No Way Home.

[@frogs3338]

Exactly

[@summertyme5748]

@@frogs3338 Correct. Dr. Strange also had a different and *far superior* plot by Scott Derrickson. He was replaced by Raimi and Waldron who made a nonsense film. The original story would not only have been better - but it would have explained No Way Home, which now also doesn't make sense. For example in No Way Home Storyboards: *America Chavez* is the one who opens the portals to the multiverse, and there is even a scene with her involved in the fight with the Villains at the end of the film. We end up with: 1) Ned can open portals cuz he just 'has' Dr. Strange magic. 2) Multiverse is collapsing cuz Dr. Strange casts God Level spells that he also screws up and he is doing this to help Parker get into an elitist snooty school. Marvel literally aiming its plot at the 7 year old and under crowd.

[@theawesomeman9821]

Hollywood should hire MatPat as a story consultant.

[@being47]

well truth is they don't care. Disney is ruining all the major franchises all at the same time. i don't know how anyone can do this shit at a same time

[@MrEnony]

I don't mind a smaller amount of only movies and maybe just 1 series. as long as they're all high quality

[@FluffyJackie]

This started with Multiverse of Madness for me and just happened more and more from then. And now Guardians 3 is pretty much the only movie I'm genuinely excited for and afterwards I need a long break from the MCU.

[@summertyme5748]

It's the bad writing from the Rick and Morty writers. That's the common denominator for MOM, She Hulk and Antman3.

[@Mike90317]

After MoM I just watch the teaser and first trailer of any project. It's so much better.

[@mysterio8226]

​@@summertyme5748 SHUT UP

[@mysterio8226]

Shut up

[@Scribbly_Chi_10]

​@@summertyme5748 similar to mcu rick & morty also dropped in quality.

[@cnote8546]

I disagree with the statement about infinity war Achara made. I agree a lot of people came back, but there were stakes. Our loki died, Vision died, Tony died. There were stakes, and yes we got loki but it's not the loki we saw in ragnarok. So even jn a multiverse there are stakes.

[@parsman9914]

Right?

[@stevenpaquin126]

They also don't touch the wokeness inserted in these Phase 4 movies that ruin them !

[@summertyme5748]

There is nothing woke about No Way Home. The film is sexist with all male characters having powers and the women do nothing but scream and die, but the film still sucks because the writing is bad.

[@nnetranandu3241]

Bro loki came back with series and vision in wandavision

[@parsman9914]

@@nnetranandu3241 Loki didn't come back. He's a variant, a character with different life experience.

[@Cherryontop10]

There is no need to reveal so late that Kang is evil since he warned us about himself in Loki. However I think it’s because they didn’t want to make it a Kang movie as we wait for his presence in Loki.

[@HSTLMLWL]

The big reveal is not for the fans but for Scott

[@ezravldina3467]

There r people who didn't watch Loki, you know, like general audience

[@frogs3338]

I think that Quantumania was supposed to come out before Loki

[@summertyme5748]

@Bully Maguire ^ It doesn't work on any level for two reasons which together can't be surmounted. 1) We know it's Kang who's the new big bad because Marvel has been screaming this loudly for years. 2) Janet Van Dyne also knows, so the 'heroes' know. Therefore the audience is left with frustration as the hero refuses to either inform her family or take any action to stop the villain. The film is reduced to hand-waving exposition. Hand waving is when you 'wave your hands' to stop someone from asking an obvious uncomfortable question that you can't answer. _Why didn't you tell us Janet?_ [waves hands, shrugs] ^ Audience - gets up, and walks out of theater, critics trash film, box office dies, and heads roll. Such is the power of bad screen writing.

[@frogs3338]

@@summertyme5748 We as the audience weren’t gonna know that he was a villain because this movie was supposed to release before Loki acording to Matts theory.

[@jjstarrprod]

This episode of Film Theory was so great ! I really love his takes on movies, it's always so eye opening. Completely agree with Andrew about going to watch a movie 4, 5 times. The last one from Marvel I've done so was actually Shang Chi, coz it was just so good ! The rest, with the exception of No Way home that I've watched twice, it's been only single views. The only movie that I've rewatched 6 times in theaters recently was Everything Everywhere All At Once, coz this movie is freakking AH-MA-ZING (and deserves to be watched on the biggest screen possible !) while the other Marvel movie that was specifically talking about the same topic, Dr Strange The multiverse of Madness, I only bothered to go watch it once. Don't get me wrong, it was an enjoyable movie, but come on... EEAAO just completely destroyed it, in all accounts !

[@Tyiriel]

Hollywood rn feels like they hired a chinese scriptwriter, then a low-paid translator with english as their second language helped by an unpaid proofreader who somehow read the 100 page script and greenlit it in 15 minutes. Shit just somehow goes through the QA as long as you get some cool trailer action and a lot of face closeups

[@RedElm747]

Don't forget replacing their editors with bots. Plus their marketing feels like they're in their own world.

[@Wolfhunter5607]

i liked the film theory on the new dcu slate with gunn

[@johanstenfelt1206]

A truly well crafted Theory, i wonder what he’ll cover next, I guess we’ll see. Anyway, this was a good reaction, will look forward to see what you will watch next.

[@akshatchheda1102]

a good comment, i wonder what will you comment next

[@johanstenfelt1206]

@@akshatchheda1102 …okay, yeah, I ended up repeating myself a little, sort of. So, I might not always be curative with my Comments, so what?

[@akshatchheda1102]

@@johanstenfelt1206 i literally said "a good comment"

[@johanstenfelt1206]

@@akshatchheda1102 oh, you were serious? I thought you were trying to be funny.

[@rhonecherrington2131]

Dude, I been saying this.. Marvel isn’t the same, I mean I for one am more hopeful, much more, about the DCU than Marvel moving forward…

[@Penpaper]

I think they underestimated how invested we were in specific characters and actors and they thought they could just get rid of 3 of the best ones and easily replace

[@neomoscoso10]

The official trailer could even be construed as false advertisement. It made the film seem as though it would provide bigger stakes for the impending doom (see what I did there?)

[@Achara]

Hahaha! Nice one 😂

[@neomoscoso10]

​@Achara thanks for the recognition! You rock!

[@mnomadvfx]

It wouldn't be the first time that happened. To this day I am still salty on the Rogue One trailers selling a film that basically didn't exist.

[@RedElm747]

@@mnomadvfx I mean, most of modern trailers do this

[@-Maxi.exe03]

​@@mnomadvfx I mean at the time the trailers came out that first did exist. They just reshot the entire third act. I love Rogue One though so I'm not gonna complain.

[@ChrisWake]

The oversaturation part of this is interesting. The earlier MCU phases had a streamlined approach to them where you were introduced to characters and almost immediately integrated to the bigger picture. They were also in the public eye quite often, thus holding staying power within the audience's mind. The characters we were introduced to in the last phase have been plenty.. yet we're not sure when or how they will figure into things. Are we going to wait until 5-6 years to see the next chapter for Shang-Chi? How about Moon Knight, or the Eternals, or even She-Hulk? If the plan is to dump all of them into Kang Dynasty, the general audience who don't have context for these characters, especially the Disney+ ones, are going to have a rough go at keeping all the who's who in sort. But then again, maybe this was inevitable. Maybe the promise of a larger MCU was unsustainable in the cinematic arena. That's not even accounting for the arrival of the X-men, Fantastic Four, etc.

[@mnomadvfx]

At this point IMHO they can only fix it all with a reboot.

[@mysterio8226]

​@@mnomadvfx no shut up

[@manavkhandurie3591]

I don't feel like having many characters around is a problem , as every character or a group of characters represent a group that they are part of which maybe useful in avengers 5 and 6 .Like the eternals and their connections with celestial who created the universe, may be an essential plotthread in avengers 6 kindoff like quantumn realm use in endgame .Like wise moonknight fits well with Rama-tut (kang varient) and shangchi ms marvel seem to have some connection to some varient of kang as well if you believe the story . I dont think integration of these characters in a crossover movies will be a major problem, the Bigger problem would be a soild execution and implementation of these characters. Like if one of these new characters die, will audiences even care .MCU needs to make sure the inevitable character deaths will be more like that of tony stark not like that of quicksilver

[@manavkhandurie3591]

@bullymaguire9288 yea true, it would be interesting to see which avengers will bite the dust .Maybe Doctor Strange or Thor would make sense and probably would be a good choice

[@gopalarora9997]

I loved most of the characters introduced in Phase 4, and I would argue all day that most of the movies and shows were great too(save for some). But nothing is connecting to anything, even when it's obviously supposed to. That worries me, along with the news of constant reshoots and changing stories which feel off.

[@mushroom4286]

I liked quantamania, better than love and thunder and multiverse of madness, but I would not put it in my top favorite movies. Since phase 1, 2 and 3 were better in my opinion. Still getting my hopes up for guardians 3 tho.

[@summertyme5748]

Because I was asked - Here is what the plot should have been..... *How to Fix Kang and get Kangin!* Will never happen but this is how.... The story needs to be this. In the original history of the MCU where Kang is born in the 31st century: The Thanos extinction event - aka - THE SNAP, was *never reversed.* That's right in the main timeline, the sacred timeline - Thanos won. With this in mind the 1st scene of Antman 3, should take up where Antman 2 ended. Scott is trapped in the Quantum Realm.... the snappening is happening. But this time instead of cutting back to San Francisco to see the dusted remains of Hank, Janet, Hope...we cut back a few seconds sooner. Janet Van Dyne - looks at Hank and Hope and says... *I'm sorry.* [she KNOWS! what's about to happen] She now *turns the Quantum Tunnel off.* Now they are all dusted away. Now we know why Scott was stuck in the Quantum Realm for 5 years, we know that Janet turned the tunnel off to protect Scott, to prevent him from being snapped away like 1/2 of the beings in this Universe. Why did she do this? Because that's what Kang sent her back to do! To SAVE this Universe. *Now we have a reason for her otherwise insane actions.* Kang - is the reason why the Avengers *in this Universe* defeated Thanos. The dark implication of this is also that in the original universe - or sacred timeline, the Avengers lost! Janet died in the Quantum Realm - and Hank never found her. Meaning Scott never returned 5 years after the snap. Meaning the Avengers never invented time travel and reversed the snap, which is exactly what led to Kang inventing the same, and more.... 1,000 years later. This makes the prime timeline the *darkest* timeline. Now we have a conflict you can build an entire multiverse war on. Kang vs. Thanos vs. Avengers vs. Scarlet Witch and Fantastic 4 and X-Men from different mutually incompatible versions of the Universe. A real multiverse War where everyone cannot have the version of reality that they want. Remember in prime timeline - 1/2 of the Universe was snapped out of existence and never returned - the Avengers lost!

[@frogs3338]

That wouldn’t be smart of them at all

[@summertyme5748]

@@frogs3338 Who, and why not?

[@zenla1033]

Summer, thats fking awesome! Kang is like a time lord from Dr. Who - who decided to change the past - for the better. That created the timeline we watched in Endgame. But when he did that he set off a timeline war. Also I agree the Quantum Realm should be a hostile environment almost impossible to get into and out of on your own. Instead in Antman 3 it looks like someone STOLE THE PLOT from Tron, crossed it with Star Wars Tatooine and then vomited all over it. 🤮 What a joke! There is air and gravity and ‘normal’ time, and no explanation of where any of that comes from. Come on. That isn’t science fiction. It’s a Saturday morning cartoon. Marvel is over for me now. It’s like they are actively targeting the dumbest possible audience.

[@zenla1033]

@@frogs3338 You’d really rather have the plot from Tron, which is clearly where Jeff Loveness lifted Antman 3 from?

[@stellamariefanboy.6768]

That’s so cool to think about ngl. Where all the versions want something different *because* they lost something different and gain something different which gives them different morals and principles. which cause a conflict that can expanded upon in their upcoming movies. Maybe even the kids are involved because they see it as the *whole* problem instead of how the adults might see it where they are self centered and only care about making sure their universe benefits

[@darkurge69]

One change I just thought of with the whole “Scott not knowing Kang is evil”, is you could have shown Janet touching his chair in the past but not show footage, then later when Scott completes his mission, he touches the chair just like Janet, this time he & us the audience see the visions of Kang’s conquest.

[@jonah64]

What if Kang from Antman 3 was the good Kang? What if he was banished to the Quantum Realm by the other Kang's because he wanted to fight back against them? Maybe he'll come back as Iron Lad.

[@mnomadvfx]

Good Kang was He Who Remains from Loki who created the Time Authority. Who apparently didn't have the sense to simply get a full 6 infinity stones together and snap all Kang's out of existence.

[@mysterio8226]

​@@mnomadvfx shut up

[@TimpossibleOne]

You can't surprise us with Kang being evil when the Loki series already spoiled that info. It makes more sense to first meet Kang in Ant-Man 3 and THEN be surprised to see him appear in the Loki finale.

[@ChadMichaelSimon]

I’m in a hotel room in Des Moines. Flipping through the channels, I came across Age of Ultron during the truck chase “I’m always picking up after you boys” scene, and boom. I’m sucked in and have to finish it. It’s one of my favorite movies. I love how it resonates back and forth through the films surrounding it, and it has improved with age. I’m not here to talk about Age of Ultron, though. What struck me was here’s a movie I can watch any time on my phone and computer, yet seeing it on tv stopped me in my tracks. It’s like putting on a vinyl LP when you have all the world’s music in your pocket. There were the original Avengers in the last time we’d truly see them fight together. What struck me is that catching Tony, Steve, Bruce, Thor, Natasha, and Clint at this moment was in the middle of their decade-long character arcs - something we just haven’t been getting in Phase4, Starting in 2008, Robert Downey Jr.’s Iron Man was on screen every 1-2 years. Same with each of them. Cap had such a strong series of hits and is in my book the most consistently successful Avenger staring in most of the MCU’s best films. I loved Phase 4. The movies and shows were unique, brought much-needed diversity, and had the added social element in fans tuning in together every week and discussing each episode until the next one was released. But there was no real glue. They introduced Shang-Chi… and we haven’t seen him since. They introduced the Eternals… and we haven’t seen them since. I fear that by the time we see them again, years will have passed and we’ll have no sense of their arcs in the absence. I’m trying to be patient in waiting for a payoff. If Shang-Chi showed up as often as Captain America, for example, he would have been in 2-3 movies by now. I want to see more of him.

[@cooksad]

That all actually makes it better than what happens in the movie. I enjoyed the movie, but I also felt something was off. I just couldn't figure out what it was until now. This version would've made the movie so much better and been a nice lead into the Young Avengers setup on the way to the Avengers movies. Maybe Marvel will be smart and release the Original Cut of the movie for DVD release and save the movie for the fans that wanted something more. They could announce that the Original version is what they will be actually going with instead of the Theater release. The should Make the whole scene of the portal opening with Scott and Hope leaving be the first credit scene revealing it was Scott dreaming of having gone home with Hop. Then show him waking up and they're still in the Quantum Realm. They won't, but it would be nice if they did. Enjoyed the reaction. 👍👍✌out

[@WhatTrickeryIsThis_]

Yeah...

[@IsiahBradley]

THANKS for this! This is my first exposure to Film Theory! Please do this again with it--and them!

[@daredevil6145]

Watch *Food Theory* on your own time

[@suvin1]

The only problem of MCU right now is the greatest problem of any movies..poor quality of script and story telling

[@JeyDB]

I agree with the idea that there was a different movie that was originally planned, mainly due to the fact that there were 2 scenes that seemed kind of off. When Scott and Cassie got taken by the rebels, they were taken together, but then the next scene they are bringing Scott in by himself and Cassie is there and already drank the goo. How did she get there before him? The other scene is when Kang takes Janet through the portal, then the scene IMMEDIATELY after, she is being brought into his throne room by guards and he's just chilling there. Did he bring her through the portal, tell the guards to hold her while he goes and gets comfy in his chair then bring her into the room? These scenes just seem incredibly disjointed. Really bizarre editing choices.

[@GOKZ888]

Does it even matter now

[@cosmicentertainment9993]

Sorry but filmmaking doesn’t work that way. Films don’t tell the story by providing too much details. If you wanted that, then that formula works in TV series but movies don’t use that formula

[@JeyDB]

@@cosmicentertainment9993 Sorry but nothing about what I said has ANYTHING to do with "providing too much details". It's about cohesion, connectivity between scenes, and story telling within the editing process. The couple things I pointed out have NOTHING to do with anything that you said. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and attribute your completely unrelated comment to misunderstanding what I actually said.

[@shauryadutt9239]

I think, for me, the most significant loss for Marvel would be peeps like me who haven't watched the movie and just don't care if someone spoils it for them. As I said, I didn't watch the movie, but I still know what happened. Now, I don't NEED to watch it like it was with Winter Soldier or Endgame. I just don't care enough, and I think it's because it hasn't been a great run for them. They've been fumbling a lot.

[@88Elguapo]

Wait, the Cinepals AND the Reel Rejects communities are linked??? When did this happen/ what did I miss??? IM SO HYPED haha

[@boomerotic2498]

You know jaby ang greg are brothers right?

[@robertalexstorm]

Jaby from Cinepals and Greg from Reel Rejects are brothers.

[@jozx713]

If you call parentheses () "brackets" [] then what do you call brackets?[]

[@kaharakahara]

Sad to see but agree that the quality of marvel film really did go down. You know it's down when you spoiled your movie in an interview and no one really cared. 🤣

[@VisualSpecialist]

It is no accident that when the She-hulk joke was made I immediately got a She-hulk ad....

[@shyamd1404]

There are She-Hulk ads?

[@danielmwale5789]

Ahhh... Where's Jaby😶

[@Ductos]

Especially the movies felt like side stories and the overarching story (the reason I'm excited about Marvel) is treating ground, not really moving forward. I expected the movie to end when Hope and Scott were trapped in the Quantum Realm. That would've been a bold and exciting move. Instead they undermined that effort within seconds. Come on...give us something to work with here. I'm still watching everything Marvel will put out this year. I'm very much looking forward to GotG, Vol. 3, since it's James Gunn's swan song to the MCU, and the second season of Loki, which is still one of the best Disney+ shows of all time and because he is currently one of the few people in the MCU that know how big the Kang problem really is.

[@lavryadam4774]

Why is everyone seem to miss the fact that Chapek and not Iger, was Kevin Feige's boss up to recently?? Do you think it was a coincidence that Kevin Feige plotted a coup to outs Bob Chapek? And since Iger came back all of a sudden they decided to dial back on the production?! I don't think that was a coincidence either! Remember ppl, it's still the same studio with the same Kevin Feige that gave the Infinity Saga.

[@tashachristy09]

🤣 thats cute. I worked for FedEx for 4 years before it was brought to my attention. Never noticed myself

[@marcusrouls7472]

I saw it and enjoyed it. I think people are just setting their bar too high. Its like if you eat prime rib steak from a top level chef. Then you have it on the regular, it no longer becomes this delicious steak. It starts to become routine. I feel a lot of fans are doing that and confusing routine with bad.

[@shrekkek9396]

Pretty sure that the mcu actually became lower in quality. It's easy to see.

[@marcusrouls7472]

@Shrek Kek I disagree. They've had some ball drops. But, They've also been ongoing for enough time that the quality has become routine. So, the people watching complaining don't catch when they do something clever, or want everything explained and laid out for them. At this point the MCU needs to dial back and starve fans a little. That way focus on the wow factor.

[@shrekkek9396]

@@marcusrouls7472 everything since doctor strange 2 was a complete bs, that's not the matter of routine.

[@billcipher3946]

@@marcusrouls7472 MCU is becoming like stale crackers

[@cinosechizen]

Just wish or I think at least there are a few Marvel people there who are watching this kind of input from the audience, less quality when they focus more on quantity. It's like now Marvel movies are created to promote another next movie compared to before yes they still promote movies but they only add a teaser and focus more on the actual story of the actual movie being shown.

[@Cherryontop10]

The reason you went to the cinema multiple times was because you didn’t have streaming within the next few months. No one will go multiple times when they can wait for it to stream.

[@daredevil6145]

*Only thing to do here when Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars aren't good...* *is, make a Movie to end all this, all MCU to the end. and never ever make a Movie in that Universe*

[@raulgrijalva16]

I can’t get over why Kang doesn’t just jump through the portal? It seems like Kang all of a sudden wants to kill Ant Man more than getting out of the quantum realm and it just didn’t make sense. Honestly I have grown to dislike Quantumania more and and more the more I think about it.

[@Thorfinn.05]

I am litrally betting all my money on Deadpool 3. It will be a hit.

[@PrinceVoid7]

As long as Disney keeps its grubby hands off it.

[@jaydenjones1374]

​@@PrinceVoid7 Disney isn't the only studio behind it

[@mysterio8226]

​@@PrinceVoid7 shut up

[@riderchallenge4250]

@@jaydenjones1374 fox is owned by disney

[@Thorfinn.05]

I realized this by the No Way Home. After that, I just don't want to watch marvel anymore. I still haven't seen love and thunder, wakanda forever, Quantummania, she hulk and multiverse of madness. Cause it just doesn't matter anymore.

[@summertyme5748]

I've seen the all. Wakanda Forever is the only good movie of the lot, for adults anyway. No Way Home is more of a cartoon movie for kids.

[@OfficialCloverPie]

i think Marvel needs to stop or atleast reduce that "It's this characters movie or series and he/she will win no matter if the whole plot is garbage" thing..

[@TheIcemanthomas]

Marvel just needs to take its time and stop rushing everything out.

[@dancarli8639]

Along with quality being worst i think Disney plus has made a huge difference back when iron man 3 came out and a lot of marvel best films I had to go see them on opening night now I be like I can wait til it hit Disney plus exact thing I did with no way home because everyone knew the plot really

[@marcellousnguyen187]

24:41 I just have to say, it's so satisfying to hear someone say good things about Shang Chi. Despite the CGI with the Great protector, I love that film! Shang Chi is one of my favorite heroes and I felt like the MCU did him Justice! Just hope they take their time with the sequel. Use what works and improve on the things that didn't. However, I want them to keep the fight choreography! Regardless, Thank you! 🙏🏽💪

[@gireesh4779]

Cgi of shang chi was good for me

[@eddhardy1054]

As long as Black Jack Tarr is in it I'll be happy

[@IamZedX]

the whole 'they do the self sacrifice trope a lot'... like yeah they're fucking super heroes... like wtf lmao

[@mattpiers4589]

If we just pretend that Far From Home and Wakanda Forever were the only movies released after Phase 3, I think we’d feel better lol

[@mysterio8226]

Nope

[@HSTLMLWL]

Shang-Chi

[@shrekkek9396]

Wakanda Forever was a mess, lol.

[@boomerotic2498]

Far from home was meh. No way home was entertaining though, but that's the only thing I've seen from marvel since Endgame because much like Black Widow, the 'quality' of marvel movies has jumped off a cliff

[@mysterio8226]

@@boomerotic2498 NO SHUT UP

[@Prkwon]

Mr Gordon I give you taika waititi...james gunn might fall into that pit...

[@germaine_smith]

I see it as Chaepek pushing MCU division to produce more faster

[@panditmanthan]

Big VFX not make movie batter story line and character arc is so important and and RRR is proved that

[@TheGundamsword]

I don't think James Gunn deserves quite as much faith as you seem to think he does. I think he operates very well in his particular style of film. But I don't think he can function very well outside of it, nor do I think he has the commitment to stay focused on a single path for long. He definitely does do his own thing, independent of what the rest of the group does. But that can be just as much a weakness as it is a strength. My two cents anyway.

[@markhenzel4637]

6:17 this line that makes me Kang should win and Ant man should lose...

[@Bradford659]

If it’s any consolation for Paul Rudd Quantumania has a higher rotten tomatoes score than Curse of Michael Myers.

[@kevincampos3418]

Went to see Ant-Man… had an ok time. Would not ever re-see it

[@miorandmior]

Self sacrifice is a feature of any movie where heroism is a theme. Look at war movies. That shouldn't be a problem, it just needs to be well made /scripted. Young avengers...... Sigh 🤦‍♂️

[@powerpanda557]

I didn’t see the reviews but what are your “standards?”

[@summertyme5748]

It's the sloppiness and stupidity of the script that's most frustrating and leads to incoherent attempts to defend bad filmmaking. Like this... _Of course Kang doesn't have his time powers because he's in the Quantum Realm where there is no time!_ In this film's interpretation of the Quantum Realm - there *is* not only time, but it works identically to everywhere else. Moreover in the previous films - the Quantum Realm is very place that made time travel possible. Time is also manipulated for the ants so they [and time] is used against Kang. The only one who can't use time as a weapon in this film is Kang. It makes no sense because the writer hasn't thought it thru, and is likewise relying on the viewer not noticing that it makes no sense.

[@fernandoleao7507]

6:40 I disagree, if it ended this way, it would be the same way Ant-Man 2 ended. Scott trapped in the quantum realm again!

[@powerpanda557]

Here’s my take on marvel movies. Everyone is a “movie expert”.everyone knows what’s a good and bad film. Everyone is right when they criticize all of the bad parts or stories of movies. Everyone knows how to create the next saga of marvel films.

[@frogs3338]

Good one

[@jake_gon_jinn]

Fortunately Kevin Feigi stated he has a plan to slow down the pace and do less projects in order to keep the quality. Hopefully!

[@mnomadvfx]

Pace and quality should not be the issue with a studio the size of Disney if they have enough talented people to manage the IP rather than a single executive producer and his bosses who are..... let's face it - somewhat trigger happy on reshoots and firing proven directors (which adds to the cost overrun problem). The problem is the people at the top controlling everything have no balls what so ever to risk that some people in the audience won't like it when they kill off protagonists or give them real, lasting consequences to the events in the film (Rhodey looking at you in Civil War). That and the fact that Disney genuinely seem to be trying to dissuafe men from wanting to see these films and TV series since Endgame. It's one thing for Disney to making an effort to connect more solidly with their pre MCU acquisition audience (young girls watching the Disney Channel and musical animated films) to attract a larger female audience to comic book films by including more important female hero characters. BUT!! If you are purposefully cannibalising the built in male audience of comic book films to do this by routinely s**ting on every single male character as inept and/or cowardly and/or tyrannical nutjob wastes of space then you might just have a problem at the box office with making your money back on multiple $170+ million films that walk this incendiary path. Combine that with said female characters routinely having almost no character arc, and there is just nothing worth watching beyond big boom boom sparkly VFX battles at the end of the film, which got old for me before Endgame came out. Deadpool did well at the box office because they were willing to break the mold (at least a bit) and shake things up a bit. Disney on the other hand are literally just recycling old material over and over. Including DCEU's Aquaman (Namor wants to attack the world plot) and Iron Man 2 (heart shaped herb synthesis plot) for Wakanda Forever, and TRON Legacy (all the plot) for Ant Man 3.

[@mysterio8226]

​@@mnomadvfx SHUT UP

[@user-mr7pv7qf4o]

And if he also be great if you don’t hire people from Rick and Morty how about hire people who know how to write and the Direct marvel comic book movie

[@biswojyoti1]

marvel played it too safe with this movie

[@MohammedFarhaan-ev3vx]

My conjecture Iron man coming in 2026....🙂 Let's see 🤔

[@vimalkumars4636]

The problem is no one likes a boring good ending movie without tough and big fight and characters easily understanding each other without big conflict this movie has all of it so it kinda not worked for me...

[@sairajmote8010]

Recent Marvel projects have been like flat soda for me. You can drink it it has a familiar taste but no zing

[@itskashkashi]

I've literally thrown up when I accidentally drank flat soda lol

[@mysterio8226]

Shut up

[@nobodyexceptme7794]

The biggest problem with the MCU seems to be the internet and aware fans. Its becoming wrestling. All kinds of boundless speculation by self proclaimed insiders right along with real spoilers leaking weeks/months prior. People putting all kinds of expectations on films that were likely never on the table, then being mad when they don't occur. Everybody having their own channels and opinions on what they need to do with the product. A certain segment of the media and content creators that have monetized anti-disney rhetoric for ad revenue and keep pumping things out. All the while the MCU is dealing w/ actor contracts, vfx pipeline issues, corporate mandated timelines for release...all while trying to maintain a quality of success and interest in an epic story that already culminated.

[@Mike90317]

The internet did not learn anything after WandaVision.

[@mnomadvfx]

That's a silly interpretation. You might as well just wave away every single novel to film adaptation that ever happened as pointless because the story was already known before hand. Unfortunately Disney IS clearly following this interpretation which is just hilarious to me considering how much more interesting basically every single named comic storyline was compared to its half baked MCU version which often shares little more than a name with it. Thor Ragnarok had a truly epic storyline in the comics - the end of the gods, what does it mean to be a god if you exist only due to the faith of mortals and can gods believe in higher powers too? All of which is interwoven into the theme that what goes around comes around and life for the gods never truly ends, it just starts all over again. What we got in the cinemas was a 2 hr (often cringeworthy) joke fest with half a Hulk film bolted on - and for all the PR hubbub about Hela being the first female villain she was nothing more than yet another disposable one film character. The same goes for the Eternals - I've read the Eternals comic that the film was clearly based on, and it's story was better than the film in LITERALLY EVERY SINGLE WAY. The same about Cap America Civil War having basically zero mortal consequences to the heroes - just one spinal injury which is 100% correctable by his best friend Tony's self professed specialisation, advanced prosthetics. The same again about killing off Tony Stark in Endgame to finish off his contract rather than giving that victory to Nebula in order to give her character closure. Of all the named comic storylines the MCU has covered, the only one that stood out to me as very much a worthy story by comparison was Cap America Winter Soldier - that film could easily have been a great Mission Impossible style spy thriller without the superhero stuff added on top, that is what I am looking for and almost never finding in MCU films.

[@mysterio8226]

​@@mnomadvfx SHUT UP

[@mysterio8226]

​@@mnomadvfx YOU ARE WRONG

[@atavious2491]

Yeah dude, your right. Everywhere I go I see the same kind of video with how people would fix the MCU. Just because you read comic books doesn't make you smarter than everyone else. This is Hollywood, and for decades these kind of people think they have more power than the people who control Hollywood and how movies should be made. If you're going to have this kind of mentality why not make fan films yourself. You're not achieving anything if you're holding out believing that one day someone may see your idea and inact on it. That's just foolish wishful thinking

[@NAGAVERSE]

I’m sure… after mcu ends… all the fans complaining will be the ones commenting on how they miss mcu and how this movie wasn’t really that bad.

[@frogs3338]

I don’t think the mcu will end

[@NAGAVERSE]

@@frogs3338 if the fans receptions don’t get better … plus the amount of backstage politics going inside Disney… it might

[@shrekkek9396]

This movies are objectively bad. Nobody will miss this cause most people are already skipping some projects. I still can't brace myself to finally watching Miss Marvel and Wakanda Forever, knowing how much shit they are. And if it fails it would be the only great thing. Capitalism works exactly like this.

[@NAGAVERSE]

@@shrekkek9396 well it’s all the backstage politics that has changed mcu .. they should just go back to their old style or else it could be the end

[@frogs3338]

@@NAGAVERSEMost of their revenue isn’t even from the movies, it’s from the merchandise.

[@parsman9914]

Too much panicking.

[@Agent-57]

I was pretty much done with MCU even before Endgame. It was all Medicore. And by the looks of it, well it's just plain bad now. Just GOTG3. After that MCU is done.

[@Vitacity]

Parentheses and brakets are 2 different things Achara😂

[@shyamd1404]

Yeah, I thought so too 😂😂

[@athr3582]

I'm sorry I'm numb already, the last MCU movie that really good for me was Shang chi Even 3 Spiderman not enough to revive my interest At least DC knew they were screw big time and trying to fix it's self, when MCU gonna realize that?

[@captainmaika3904]

I hope after "Chapek effect" gone MCU be great again.

[@boomerotic2498]

Don't get your hopes up. A lot of the stuff we got out of Disney these past few years was all put in place by Iger before he stepped down because he saw the writing on the wall

[@2btobi835]

i liked phase 4

[@lazyboi5669]

I think they thaught that audiance wont get attached to the plot presented here since most of us already know that kang was going to be the hero

[@frogs3338]

What?

[@Patrick-wl6pw]

Marvel be fine stops rushing waiting ✋ be better

[@Patrick-wl6pw]

I blame Rick and Morty wrote

[@welcometothecumzone5464]

dad: we coming home daugther! karen: no dad i want to save the universe! dad: oh ok! then lets go sweety buns, oh i wove you smwuach muah uwu

[@jinxie712]

I find it funny that we are essentially in Phase 1 2.0 and people are crying about the set up part of it in the same way.

[@summertyme5748]

No they weren't. And those films weren't panned by critics either.

[@jinxie712]

@@summertyme5748 what? You saying people were in love with Incredible Hulk, Thor, Captain America: First Avenger and Iron Man 2? People complained to hell and back about those movies. Iron Man was there, but people weren’t on it because of The Dark Knight coming out at the same time. The MCU didn’t really blow up until Avengers.

[@joseahernandez95]

Funny how it’s mostly KZbinrs pundits and critics who are not happy with marvel everyone else is enjoying it and it’s something they don’t like.

[@AstroRocket]

This is BS. KZbinrs and critics aren't the reason the box office for the movie is dropping like a stone. We the fans recognize mediocrity when we see it and aren't going back for repeat viewings like we used to

[@joseahernandez95]

@@AstroRocket what box office drop ? An ant man movie was never gonna be the most watched or anticipated. No one was bitching at the other ant man’s movies performance at the box office before infinity war/ endgame. No one even cared tbh. Instead they were using those films to hype up others something all these films continue to do. I stand by my comment. It’s definitely a lot of selective outrage and for no good reason.

[@dallasalexander8112]

@@joseahernandez95 Umm. the fact that it made the least amount of money out of the ANTMAN movies. The worst box office of all three, yet they (MARVEL) promoted this movie as a "Franchise best" (Antman franchise). It in fact was not a "best" and was quite honestly the worst Antman movie and one of the worst marvel movies. and the box office proves that. do research instead of shooting your mouth off.

[@mysterio8226]

​@@AstroRocket shut up

[@mysterio8226]

​@@dallasalexander8112 shut up

[@justacitizen412]

I hated End Game, and haven't touched marvel since. And now having watched this I'm so glad that I did. These new Marvel phases sound like absolute trash.

[@azrael_morningstar]

Yeah same, the disappointment from getting the Infinity War hype to ....

[@imagnihton2]

It would feel like they're blaming COVID for it...I'd just say it's just greed for more money...just churning out poor inconsistent storylines

[@techtrooder396]

rdj should be back

[@juliant]

Guardians is a good franchise, but it's far from the best. I just don't see it doing that great, because their stories seem so disconnected from the main MCU.

[@cj3670]

Bruh I'm pretty sure guardians will still do well

[@juliant]

@CJ I hope so, but no one I know raves about the Guardians films. I did enjoy the christmas special and the groot episodes though, so maybe that's a good sign for what's to come.

[@brodiewillis710]

@@juliant no one raves? Guardians 1 & 2 nearly made a billion at the box office + they’re some of the most acclaimed projects in the MidCU. You’re just mad the recent garbage marvel has pumped out can’t compete with it😹

[@juliant]

@@brodiewillis710 your missing the key statement... no one I KNOW.

[@davidlopan7152]

"the message" ruins everything.

[@SE-gs6gd]

Well black widow and the original gamorra didn’t come back- two of the best female characters

[@summertyme5748]

Yes. Character stories need to complete. Otherwise they are not the best characters - they are run on sentences. I want to see good stories where things can happen that matter. Not fake stories where characters have plot armor and nothing interesting can happen to them.

[@listmist2370]

Mcu is in shambles

[@Cherryontop10]

The characters HAVE to come back since they’re are tons of comic books stories with them and everyone would complain about the canon.

[@UncleSunrize]

Marvel made so many good movies, when?

[@oniriscope]

The boat is sinking… long live the boat.

[@oumarsarr4383]

Only people that weren’t annoying in this movie were Scott and Kang. Everyone else talked and acted like morons. Sure Scott was dumb trusting Kang, but I don’t think he had any other option at that point. Feels like they decided to make this Cassie’s movie rather than Scott’s half-way through production. Trailers used Kang to reel you in then blindside you with a terrible Cassie Lang superhero origin story. Her convincing MODOK was so ridiculous I genuinely thought I was watching a tv sitcom.

[@summertyme5748]

Kang is the biggest moron of all. He can't even fix his own time chair. He needed Janet Van Dyne to "help" him. He is time traveling god from the 31st Century!!! It's like Dr. Who can't fix his tardis (time machine) so he needs Eleanor Roosevelt to help him. The writer - Jeff Loveness - is really a fool, who doesn't understand the Sci Fi concepts he is playing with. He is still writing like it's Rick and Morty cartoon.

[@oumarsarr4383]

Lol you’re so right, I completely forgot about that. Whole thing made zero sense, such a disappointment. Idk why I kept giving Marvel a chance after that terrible Moon Knight finale, shoulda quit then.

[@mnomadvfx]

"Her convincing MODOK was so ridiculous I genuinely thought I was watching a tv sitcom" That's really underselling the writing on many TV sitcoms. The MCU writing is terrible these days, and to be brutally honest it has seldom been very good excepting the first few films and a sprinkling of films since.

[@mysterio8226]

​@@oumarsarr4383 shut up

[@mysterio8226]

Shut up

[@Novacification]

I used to watch Marvel movies the first week and easily went multiple times. At the last Dr. Strange movie I had enough of the piss poor quality and I don't bother anymore. Maybe I catch it on Disney+ when it gets dumped there. I still follow reviews of the movie looking for signs that they are improving but with the hero roster they are building at the moment I don't see myself caring about the MCU again for a long time.

[@mysterio8226]

Shut up

[@asifiqbal7471]

M-SHE-U

[@vikramprasanna8908]

I think the core ideological conflict of Scott vs Cassie was changed after the backlash to She-Hulk and Thor 4. Will it have been thematically consistent with other phase 4 projects? Yes. Was that theme good to begin with? Nope. Character assassination of the older heroes, just so the younger ones would automatically become right, is a stupid way to introduce these characters. It also makes no sense for the younger generation to look down on the older generation, just because there's homelessness and other social issues which they don't seem to care about. They literally saved half the universe ffs 🤦🏻‍♂️ Especially after Thor 4 and She-Hulk, two projects that came out in succession and got panned not just because of their quality, but also because of their nonsensical themes; Marvel probably decided not to proceed with the planned version of Quantumania.

[@novagaming969]

First man😌

[@Prodigalzson]

Falcon and the Winter Soldier had some of the same issues. Trying to write the original storyline out due to an actual pandemic. I don't think the pandemic is being given enough credit for Marvel's storyline woes. The number of stories produced could have been fine if presented as originally conceived and timed but having to rewrite 30+ stories just became a bridge too far. The timing of their decision to expand offerings + the pandemic = A bridge too far.

[@cinemadolce]

It hurts to say, but I gave up on the MCU after Thor: Love and Thunder. That movie broke the last bit of trust I had in the brand. Now I wait to hear the word of mouth… and I’m sorry… all I’ve heard is mixed to bad things about the recent movies. It’s gonna take a bit to get me back.

[@pugsbella]

Ant-man was never a strong title IMO, its ok for an at home movie but would never go to see it

[@mukulnarwal1091]

And i went IMAX for the first time.....the movie is called ANTMAN AND THE WASP: QUANTUMANIA

[@mikedignum1868]

So basically it was a money grab! Colour me surprised.

[@summertyme5748]

It didn't work then, because it needs 500 million to break even and - that's not happening.

[@Joker42540]

They're already in trouble for rushing their projects and giving us cringe humor!

[@mysterio8226]

No

[@marcellousnguyen187]

22:38 Besides covid, I do know the death of Chadwick Boseman was a shock everyone at Marvel as well. Because before his death, they were planning to have Black Panther lead the New Avengers. RIP Chadwick 🙏🏽

[@Rocket1377]

They should have simply recast the role. Problem solved.

[@marcellousnguyen187]

@@Rocket1377 I disagree. Three reasons. One: You see how almost everyone reacted when they simply recasted the actress or played Cassie. Imagine the pressure the new actor would have to feel and everyone comparing him and Chadwick Boseman. Two: Ryan Coulglur was emotionally devastated that he almost thought about quitting directing movies all together. Not only did Chadwick's death effected him, it effected the cast as well. But they decided to come back use their pain to share a different story. Last: Marvel is known for its reflection of the real world to the fictional one. When Stan Lee created the Fantastic Four, they were the first superheroes that we could relate to. So, displaying that the people of Wakanda lost their great protector/hero. Not only that, it also showed that regardless of of how strong an individual is, we are all still vulnerable. Don't get me wrong, I was for the recasting, however, I was assuming that we shouldn't get a Black Panther movie until 2025. So that we can all adjust with the death of Chadwick. Plus, in the MCU, it would give an excuse that the reason he looks "different" is because we haven't seen him in years or it's just he's gotten older. But after hearing Ryan Coulglur's interviews, I'm glad they didn't recast the character. Regardless, I'm glad that Marvel/Disney didn't force Ryan to develop the movie. Ryan wanted to do it to honor Chadwick. Plus, I thought this movie was better than the first. Just wish that Chadwick was part of it. Nevertheless, I respect your opinion and I hope I didn't offend you any kind of way

[@pennyomega7421]

I hate this lazy excuse that the movies are "fun". Fun doesn't mean you can't be critical of a movie. Fun also doesn't mean the movie has to be a turn your brain off experience. A movie can be fun by being written well and more engaging. Marvel has shown that they can make great critical, emotional and exciting movies. Why give them a pass for being complacent and making the same movies as they did nearly 10 years ago. With worse effects. I mean their VFX team is being pushed too far with little time and budget.