Film Theory: You Are Being Erased...

[@caseysailor9301]

When you let MatPat talk without taking a breath for 15 minutes, he invents a new genre of horror.

[@hotelinjapan389]

It’s not new. Digital horror has been around a while. I recommend Morley Grove by Remy Abode!

[@_theknighthawk_7018]

GUYS TURN ON CAPTIONS Start the film from the begining and turn on captions. Trust me. It'll change everything.

[@mackenziewoloschuk7375]

Pixel Horror. after the Google Pixel

[@_theknighthawk_7018]

@@mackenziewoloschuk7375 Coincidence? I THINK NOT!

[@PK_W255]

umm its called MORROR ( M for matpat and orror for Horror )

[@rachelsyrup]

As someone with memory issues to begin with, AND random anxiety about being accused of a crime I didn't commit, this is probably the most terrifying thing I could ever comprehend.

[@Trees...]

Same. 😔

[@thestonergamer420]

It happens

[@nyxie2877]

When I discovered that déjà vu is just your mind tricking you into thinking you’ve seen something before, I started questioning my own memory and wondering to what extent my brain could trick me into seeing what has never actually happened.

[@andoryuubushido7191]

@@nyxie2877 Yeah I was thinking this week about how eerily unreliable our memories are. Not only can we change details of past things and mix up multiple memories and even exaggerate things in our head then keep those exaggerations as though they're concrete memory. I have literally accidentally tricked myself into believing I had a totally original idea cuz I forgot my inspiration for it, rediscovered it and was like, oh duh I didn't invent that at all.

[@millia_honey]

I thought I was the only one that worries about that!!

[@StillStunnedCat]

I always find it weirdly terrifying when phone companies advertise that their cameras erase "annoying objects" while showing footage of erasing people...

[@giannacarter9711]

ME TOO I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE

[@troythefrog4084]

That scares me

[@torsoleafboi]

I’ve always thought that it was hilarious

[@desired_war]

LITERALLY.

[@french_toast223]

Well its annoying asf when someones in your picture

[@no_one4586]

I personally think that "it" being an AI is much less scary, than an actual person dong it. Imagine finding out that your own parent/sibling/best friend has deep faked images/video of them with/without you and stuff. That would definitely give me some creeps. Or what if it was an absolutely random person you've never met, with folders filled with pictures with you and them.

[@Sorain1]

The erasure situation instantly reminds me of Stalin and how he had 'removed' people from photos.

[@hijimnny]

That would be a stalker I guess

[@silly.billy_real]

doing*

[@robotsanity4103]

I imagine modern day horror being a situation where you can be in a video call with someone and start to suspect you aren’t talking to who you think you’re talking to

[@Quantum_Physician]

THATS FREAKING TERRIFYING

[@IAmTerrestrial]

Like Idk some random guy being on the phone like "Hi Dave, how ya been?" "Dave": I've been good, good... How about you? " Well, yknow-" Actual Dave: *walks up to him* Hi buddy! Who ya talking to? *insert terror here*

[@L16htW4rr10r]

@@IAmTerrestrial Wowie, what a great idea

[@peachsfav]

I feel like that wouldn’t really have that scare factor though, because of how repetitive it is. Something that makes reality feel unreal, and makes you question your surroundings like what analog horror encompasses, would honestly make it a lot scarier. Like, our advancements weren’t enough, or the advancements we made caused our downfall that isn’t just some “robot takes over the world” bs. Something which makes you question your surroundings and what you already know, to believe you have control and be proven wrong, something I believe “All Tomorrows” by C.M. Kösemen captures almost perfectly

[@melodienollenberger5336]

catfishing rates now explode

[@FalseRoar]

This reminds me of the 2018 horror movie Cam (spoilers ahead), about a cam girl who finds herself replaced by an entity that looks and sounds just like her to the point of taking over her channel, but seems to only exist online. It's all about her online persona colliding with her offline life, and the sheer horror of seeing yourself on screen, seemingly live and acting in real time, and doing things you know you haven't done, and with no way to prove that's not you.

[@mxbluefire5195]

I have watched that feel asleep as soon as the stalker showed up

[@neonicon8500]

That was actually a decent movie. They should make one about a react channel and all of a sudden, they get a link to a video of them dying.

[@luryuu_dragon]

It wasn't a bad movie ngl

[@OrangeSpaceNewt]

My guess is how to prove the clone isn't you is to show the clone being online and live posting while you're offline lol

[@Ahnowyousee]

at 14:00 that's exactly what i was thinking

[@thomaslio2104]

As soon as MatPat started talking about "modern analog horror" my mind instantly went to AI generated stuff, but instead of erasing people, I thought of them just putting things that aren't there instead and the histories could go to a paranoia state of "is it just the AI malfunctioning? is there really something there? is something messing with the AI?"

[@tobysinbad]

AI generated Wikipedia would absolutely maim society

[@wyattnielsen7382]

The way I see it you can do a lot with it. You can make what seems like a normal video but then start purposely make glitches that makes the viewer begin to wonder if what they are seeing is real and string them along that way. Or tell a story about how videos of the viewer are popping up that they don’t remember making and have it slowly hint that it is fake and that these videos are effecting their lives in a big way and there is nothing they can do to stop it as the AI or person making these fake videos have isolated them from everyone and discredited them enough that no one believes them leaving the person helpless as their whole life, whole world crumbles around them as they can do nothing but watch. Or maybe make one where they find themselves on a website like “this person does not exist” and they begin to find hints that their whole world is fake and they are not the person they think they are and they come to find out through little glitches and clues that they are actually a deepfake of someone real and their whole life is a lie. Just a couple ideas using todays tech with deepfakes and software

[@frostbitedragon9]

Brawl stars. Its already done the dake voice and face thing on a different body. Pretty neat :3

[@tacticallemon7518]

I was thinking more along the lines of “creatures that are just disturbing to look at in 4k HDR” but that works too

[@joaopedrofm1299]

and you could also use the erasing idea and mix it with this one, like in this moment 12:27, you can still see matt leg's, thus creating this dillema of if that was added by AI or there was actually someone there, making you question if the information given is true or not.

[@Neutral_Tired]

Okay, idea. A horror series set during lockdown, main character lives alone and has an auto-immune disease and is therefore super vulnerable. So they never leave the house, work from home, get all their food delivered and just generally never see people. They have a good sized group of friends they talk to over the Internet, probably discord. One by one, their friend group is replaced by something, be it an AI, a hostile entity or just a human impostor, which uses filters to disguise itself as their friends. The others all get grabbed outside their homes, which is why the main character hasn't been gotten yet. Later, the main character starts to catch on and looks for more information and starts to find small bits of evidence that it's happening everywhere but, whenever he finds something it disappears, maybe the next day, maybe as he's looking at it, and, of course, the only people who aren't in on it are the ones who live alone and can't go outside, so they can only talk about it online, which is no longer reliable or safe. Maybe even tie it directly to the plague, maybe the plague is somehow connected to these people being replaced

[@goahdejen6176]

im boutta plagiarize tf outta this

[@Sorain1]

The Plague is a cover to allow the lockdowns. You wouldn't need to make it explicit, people could infer that government fell first and the lockdown is facilitating the wider scale takeover.

[@geekgirl4168]

@@goahdejen6176 same, this is such a good idea for a dystopia 😅

[@PoliticalEvee]

And then their Uber driver is an anti vaxxer and THATS how they die

[@Ram-ey9cp]

Maybe the plague could just be a lie to stop people from going outside. Just being there to force people online to save them from getting abducted.

[@floridasavannah]

When you mentioned "AI voices" I started to think about a project of my mom. I have dozens of voice recordings from her zoom meetings and home videos that I desperately want to turn into an AI voice. I'm even learning the programs to do it. I think some people may look at this in a Frankenstein light of "how far are you willing to go to bring back a memory of the dead?" While I am just desperate to hear her say "I love you" or sing a song or read a bedtime story to the grandchildren that she never knew. I just want to keep her memory alive and I do think there would be potential in the horror genre of how far someone is willing to go.

[@eriwhomst]

i understand. mine died when i was 12, and all i had was a shitty voice mail recording on my minute phone. don't even really have pictures anymore. i get it

[@goldenrose223]

What you're doing is terrifying but also sweet.

[@floridasavannah]

@@goldenrose223 what is more terrifying is my instinctual belief that I can do anything if I would bother to study it for more than 5 minutes. My mad scientist's thoughts when meeting Lil Nas X's brother was "steal his DNA, make a clone" which I definitely do not know how to do yet. God, maybe I am Frankenstein but a better parent.

[@goldenrose223]

@@floridasavannah I mean you never know bro, maybe you'll be the one to discover cloning

[@davidwilson2916]

Your comment reminded me a lot of Minerva's Den, where the central plot revolves around a grieving husband building an extremely advanced computer to essentially 'resurrect' his dead wife. He spends years feeding it recordings, photos, even anecdotes in an effort to perfectly simulate her, only to find that, once his project is complete, it can never be enough. Interesting to see that fiction become reality.

[@Rtrash]

Thank you matpat for keeping me awake for the whole night

[@smartyexplorer135]

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[@ChantimaKajon34]

@The Game Theorists shorts 🅥 WAIT A SECOND UR NOT MATPAT UR NAME AINT HIGHLIGHTED

[@Spacebugg]

rip your comment....

[@frostmint3584]

my consolences for having even more bots in your replies than I saw yesterday at another dudes comment (I mean different ones)

[@Tw0Dots]

original

[@calebfoster7954]

The idea of a person being erased is VERY similar to a movie that had the premise of the main protagonist who lost her son in a "stranger danger" kidnapping. But then everyone around her starts to forget and act as if she never even had a son. And all evidence of him is gone. But she is positive she had him. I really liked the movie. It's called "The Forgotten" . Ironically, the movie is mostly 'forgotten'

[@kowhaifan1249]

What movie? There was never a movie called the forgotten.

[@plantainsame2049]

​@@kowhaifan1249 is this a joke or have I stumbled look demons I just want to play Minecraft leave me alone okay okay you can't hear it but my voice is starting to crack

[@kowhaifan1249]

@@plantainsame2049 what?

[@plantainsame2049]

@@kowhaifan1249 you said there was never a movie called The Forgotten and it was oddly fitting so I think I had a bit of a panic attack thinking I had somehow found my self Loosely involved in a horror story

[@Chachiandfriends]

@@plantainsame2049 what movie there’s no movie called the forgotten your tripping bro

[@somerandombeans5143]

I love how Matpat didn't just make a separate segment for the sponsor but actually implemented it in the video

[@kilroy00011]

I think a good example of modern "analog" (digital?) horror would be the Simulacrum series. You find/are given someone else's phone, and then need to figure out what happened to them by looking through their social media, talking to friends, etc.

[@Azeriiall]

This sounds very similar to ‘A Normal Lost Phone’

[@idkbalvan6303]

I love Simulacra! Personally I think the first one is better than the second cause we don't know what a 'simulacrum' is yet. I haven't played either myself yet tho, watched Markiplier play it. I did play a similar, free appgame called 'Sara Is Missing', which is pretty scary too!

[@crown8326]

@@idkbalvan6303 Same! There is also the third Simulacra that came out in October of 2022! I've played the whole series, and I can say confidently that the first two were much better than the third. I don't know what it is about the third one, I just didn't enjoy it too much; well, I still DID enjoy it. Perhaps it wasn't as immersive for me as the others?

[@Howler196]

yheaa, i thought of that too when he started talking abou digital horror

[@richyvandegrift]

​@@crown8326 THANK YOU I didn't know they had a third one out!

[@Big_Bad_Baseball_bat]

Gotta give credit to The Film Theorists team for one of the smoothest transitions from actual video to sponsor segment I've ever seen

[@thelukesternater]

More than once in the vid too!

[@MDG-mykys]

Yeah, no transition at all. It's all an ad 😄.

[@unsightedset3183]

@@MDG-mykys Now that was spooky😳💀

[@justaneditygangstar]

@@MDG-mykys well if that’s true, then it’s the best ad I’ve ever seen

[@Rollstruck]

lets be real here, the whole video was basically an ad

[@gavino0077]

I swear MatPat is about to make an actual Analog Horror now with this exact plot

[@SCRM_Rail]

bro got raided by bots 💀

[@11crunmch33]

@@heyguys4571 fatherless? 🤨

[@aleatoriedadepura2431]

@here is the full clip thank you 😑

[@alex.g7317]

He should! That sounds fantastic!

[@abstractfriends6722]

plzzz

[@onipot9639]

Okay, that acting at the beginning was really good Matt,,,,like I know you have a history in theatre, but that was genuinely impressive.

[@AloysiusWaffle]

He needs to make a theory on why literally every Batman Villain has a Doctorate

[@smartyexplorer135]

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[@Tw0Dots]

Is there something weird about that? Its the most evil thing they can do gasp SUPPORT THE GREED & CAPITALISM OF THE EDUCATION SYSTEM _dun dun dunnn_

[@assassincat4942]

The bots are hunting you.

[@loke6664]

What do you mean? That is just an example of Gotham's excellent school system and Arkham's education for prisoners. (This message is sponsored by Waynetech).

[@milanbeerepoot4260]

Counter argument: Two-Face has a law degree, not a doctorate

[@uniformsyter927]

Mat went into the future to film the intro. What a legend

[@Lungorthin666]

@King Longface finally, been waiting forever

[@Phoenix2.5D]

sadly he died filming it 😔

[@_theknighthawk_7018]

GUYS TURN ON CAPTIONS Start the film from the begining and turn on captions. Trust me. It'll change everything.

[@Tyeler80]

@@_theknighthawk_7018 OK SIR

[@void8648]

Wait yeah I just noticed the date is October 31. Is this supposed to mean something? Does he have anything special prepared for Halloween?

[@silversonic1]

That "Magic Eraser" seems like a good digital horror story. People and things being erased from photos causing them to disappear IRL seems like an easy enough premise. Edit: I should point out that I am not a fan of horror, so I don't know what has and hasn't been done. Edit 2: A digital Death Note, i.e. Samsung Galaxy Death Note. Take a picture and write the cause and time of death.

[@smartyexplorer135]

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[@jeancarlos-pu7ds]

@@smartyexplorer135 go away

[@WynneL]

@@jeancarlos-pu7ds Don't bother talking to the bots, they don't care; just report them.

[@AlneCraft]

Stalin: "I sense a disturbance in the force!"

[@jeancarlos-pu7ds]

@@WynneL Ok.

[@Calyde]

MatPat’s interpretation of modern analog horror is basically just George Orwell’s 1984, but with some added aesthetic, and with a horror spin to it instead of an ideological one. The third act of the book played with the idea of whether things you experienced really happened and that enough gaslighting of reality can cause even the strongest individual to accept the lie they’ve been told, and reject the truth. Of course it also goes into government overreach, mass formation psychosis, and the dangers of authoritarianism and Big Brother, but that one part near the end it’s strikingly similar to how MatPat described modern analogue horror, which I guess would technically be called digital horror, but whatever.

[@moemuxhagi]

That's an amazing concept of a theory ! Instead of looking at the past, it's looking at the future... great stuff !

[@smartyexplorer135]

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[@personexisting123]

Bro wtf this thread is literally entirely bots

[@Fayanora]

The thing about stranger danger is that statistically, kidnappings by strangers are quite rare. You're far more likely to be kidnapped by a family member, someone you're dating, or someone you trust in general.

[@HeavyMetalMouse]

While it may not be the 'worst', of all the many negative things that the previous generations did to set up the Xers and early Millennials, Stranger Danger has to be one of the most insidious - because of sensationalized and inflated statistics, and a manufactured panic, we were raised to see strangers and dangerous... but literally *everyone* is a Stranger until you've met them, and if you see them as dangerous, you won't meet them, thus keeping you isolated from them. In a generation where technology was being built that should have brought people *together* and helped us communicate *better* as a society, we were being told how dangerous other people were, and how we should avoid getting close or letting our guard down, thus isolating us into our little bubbles of people whom we knew well enough to believe we could trust, nucleating into the modern echo chambers of today. You can't trust 'them'. 'They' are strangers, and thus are dangerous to you. The more you hear that, the less you even think of 'them' as people. And then our elders have the sheer gall to complain that people don't 'just talk to each other anymore' - after they spent *decades* telling us not to do exactly that: Don't Talk To Strangers. I can barely make an appointment over the phone because it's been so hard drilled into me to Never Give Your Personal Info To A Stranger. Don't Talk To Strangers. Stranger Danger. *heavy sigh*

[@Fayanora]

@@HeavyMetalMouse Amen. I had a roommate once who was (and probably remains) so paranoid that one time I heard her refuse to give personal information over the phone to someone *she* had called, for the specific purpose of some sort of customer service help thing that she needed. This same person also tried taking the chip out of her bank card because she thought it was a tracking device. Granted, he has had some real world experiences to back up her paranoia, but still...

[@bm-ub6zc]

Not anymore in the future 😈

[@testerwulf3357]

Absolutely this! And it's not just in kidnapping but being harmed emotionally or physically too..the most dangerous people statistically are those you believe you can trust not strangers.

[@_theknighthawk_7018]

GUYS TURN ON CAPTIONS Start the film from the begining and turn on captions. Trust me. It'll change everything.

[@javiermaldonado7120]

His ability to weave the sponsor into the video like that is incredible, I was pretty much tricked into watching an add for the google pixel and didn’t even mind

[@smartyexplorer135]

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[@The_Argent_Dragon]

I for one embrace our advertisement AI matpat overlord

[@adiksaff]

I was about to say something about MatPat being able to make an ad out of everything, but you said it so much better!

[@realandimaginedxyz]

I feel the opposite, the constant incessant mentioning of pixel every 3 seconds made me skip 2 minutes ahead. Didn't even miss anything important.

[@riduanaqil1452]

Ikr

[@Lollypoprah]

The effort Matpat puts into making a little intro for the thing he's making a theory about is just 👌

[@Anon_Spartan]

When MatPat started talking about AI I was really hoping he'd pull a fast one on us and this would be the fabled 'AI generated' episode.

[@MiloMurphysLaw]

I hope he does do that eventually. Like it could sorta be a sequel to this video, or at least reference back to this video at some point. And then at the very end he reveals that the entire video was actually AI generated

[@dashockpixle4140]

What I like about your videos is the willingness to throw new stuff out. This could literally make a new genre of horror.

[@smartyexplorer135]

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[@Saphia_]

Same here.

[@Kastorul_]

Oh, MatPat, you're doing an amazing job keeping me awake all night, so much so that I start to think you're actually a coffee company CEO and your channels are only demonstrations of what you can do.

[@tristanbowles7258]

Delivering caffeine Willy Wonka style

[@Kastorul_]

@@tristanbowles7258 lmao

[@smartyexplorer135]

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[@itsfireninja]

How did u get so many bots

[@placeholderblankspace]

I love this idea, and it’s not even entirely new. 1984 (and I’m sure many other literature) covered it as well, the idea of rewriting history.

[@danyg4063]

I like the idea of this new "Digital Horror" genre.

[@smartyexplorer135]

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[@islandsicedtea]

Matt’s so good he got me to literally look behind me for a “show” 🤦🏼‍♀️

[@someguywholikesfnf8742]

@text me on telegram @GAMETHEORISTS shut up

[@KingVoid27]

who are you

[@KingVoid27]

Bro uses the Facebook mom emoji

[@KingVoid27]

Plus BTS profile instantly equals stupid of course you would look behind you

[@Sir_GrimReaper]

@@KingVoid27 what's wrong with it? Emoji somehow are now part of internet humor 🍷🗿

[@linwong1494]

I'm surprised to see nobody talking about Simulacra the game, which more or less does this genre of horror that Mat describes. It basically starts with you the player finding a missing girl's phone, and you go through it trying to solve why she is missing. (Spoiler Alert) The AI took her and her identity, with it posting photo realistic pictures of her on her social media, as well as captions, voice notes and messages to her friends at the end which obscures the truth that she is long gone. It erased her and replaced her as a simulacrum of her that nobody online knew about except for you the player. It's basically like an AI version of an Alternate, except it doesn't drive you mad, it just erases the real you from reality.

[@crown8326]

Love that series! I've played every single one--although my favorite is still the first Simulacra.

[@perphenanolastnamethopls3610]

funny how when I flipped through all my writing notes like 3 days ago, I came up with a very similar idea where reality is simulated in a way much scarier than the Matrix ever put it out to be. I named it Synthesia 1. This is a great direction to take that in.

[@theishiopian68]

I think that a horror series focusing on events in history being rewritten or changed with ai would work well.

[@Tw0Dots]

do it 👍👍

[@smartyexplorer135]

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[@Quantum_Physician]

ever heard of the monument mythos?

[@MoMo-sf8vk]

have you heard of genloss?

[@pootissandvichhere9135]

I think camera tech getting too good can become a plot point, like we finally notice something disturbing. And it noticed us too.

[@1313puredragon]

"There wre things Man was not meant to know...not meant to see. What happens when Man's technology see what wanted, needed to remain unseen?" the trailer almost writes itself

[@pootissandvichhere9135]

@@1313puredragon I could also see one of the villainous characters being a morally bankrupt scientist or the such. Trying to get a result with a process he knows is unethical and fatal to the pawns he uses!

[@thetreeinthearea]

the video starts with a tester the new 69k camera he looks around and saw something too terryfying for a naked eye

[@JP12304]

I thought there’s gonna be a Mandela catalog video because the new upload is amazing I’d love to see a theory on it

[@smartyexplorer135]

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[@girkenschniza9691]

Wow. So many bots.

[@Tw0Dots]

tons of theory videos on it

[@MbitaChizi]

*Dont_Read_My_Names* 😑 .

[@JP12304]

@@MbitaChizi bro I’m not stupid

[@man7912]

What I was thinking when you mentioned that cameras are getting too good, is that the camera catches something that the character can't see, but the audience can. That could create a feeling of suspense, but at the same time, its already been done.

[@internet_lizard]

14:15 this really reminded me of an episode from an old show i used to watch called Sarah Jane's Adventures, where in that episode one of the characters get erased from existence, and the one character that still knows of the erased character is basically gaslit by everyone else around her. You could easily twist that into a horror show.

[@AmandaDixson]

I'm intrigued, tell me more. Please elaborate.

[@luketfer]

@@AmandaDixson The Sarah Jane Adventures is a kids show spin off from Doctor Who (Sarah Jane was one of the earlier doctors companions), so if you have a passing interest in Dr Who it's worth a watch.

[@tyranosaurusbex2950]

Yes!! This show is amazing!!

[@lakisha4598]

How diti not know that show exists? I know what I'm gonna watch tomorrow xD

[@jennifer-rose5504]

i remember this... terrified me as a kid

[@progamingcentral1]

This theory is literally like a creepypasta from years ago called psychosis. It details a man’s thought as he questions reality around him and if he can trust his senses. A good story, if you’ve never heard the cp definitely check it out.

[@catvicddlm1884]

That's exactly what this reminds me of.

[@acario100]

It is a good old story, though I really dislike the ending "post scene" to this day and It always skip it

[@progamingcentral1]

@@acario100 Interesting, i love how bleak the ending is tbh, no spoilers but it really fits the theme and just adds that much more to the over all horror of his perspective

[@acario100]

@@progamingcentral1 I think it undercuts the point of the story. It would have fit much more nicely if we were left in a state of ambiguity and uncertainty like the protag himself was

[@progamingcentral1]

@@acario100 I agree with that sentiment also, thats a very good point. I still think the way it ended fits in a twist sort of way, tho being left in ambiguity would definitely had scared me more.

[@kagesong]

I think the gaslighting element of this horror is the most prominent part. It took us the 2000s and a good portion of the 2010s to really start to understand what that is, and the psychological issues it causes. So, the horror being the thing that makes us question our own memories of reality hits so close to home, that... yeah... it probably spot on, and EXTREMELY effective.

[@urielcastro1134]

i think modern analogue horror would probably be something similar to the movie missing which only takes place within the bounds of digital devices. the camera never swivels around to show a main character or for jump scares. it’s all just zooming in and out of different parts of the screen. honestly fantastic movie

[@Mysic97]

"The show that definitely isn't standing right behind you." Me, lying in bed, with my back against the literal wall: *Turns around in fear anyway*

[@smartyexplorer135]

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[@Windrake101]

Turns out: The wall was evil. Who knew?

[@Alexsnow0_0]

Honestly if I were to make a series nowadays. I would record and add things that never happened, like a monster in the background or eyes in darkness but only visible once the characters enhance the images. Like adding a stalker into childhood images, or maybe having the character see a murder happen in the middle of the street where cameras were present but just captured you screaming alone. There's a lot of potential honestly.

[@McCrazyDude950]

0:37 i like how after the jump scare there is static. really shows how much either fnaf or backrooms cameras have been getting to him.

[@WD_RatLad]

@@heyguys4571 stop it. get some help.

[@Faptastique]

13:05 “feed it a bunch of pictures” is a wild way to describe stealing art.

[@embertea789]

my memory being gaslit and taken advantage of is legit one of my biggest, deepest fears. i have adhd and besides the attention disregulation, my memory suffers the most. i can forget something i said 2 seconds ago, no exaggeration. i often just have to rely on the people around me to remember certain things. being told something happened when it didnt or being told something didnt happen when it did would be crippling

[@MiloMurphysLaw]

Maybe that’s why my memory is so bad… somehow I never even thought of the possibility that I might have adhd. Also, my dad gaslights me all the time and it’s literally driving me insane

[@lllinai]

I’m the same. It’s very upsetting specially when my mind is so selective there’s portions of my childhood I can’t recall but can recall a random mundane Thursday 10 years ago with vivid clarity. It’s a scary premise that someone can use that against me and have to rely on something flawed to scape.

[@liliespetals19]

This. I also have adhd, and while it's primarily a regular disorder, a lot of people don't consider the information processing impairments that it has. Conditions w information processing disorders are more prevalent than people think and lots of everyday things cause it temporarily. Had a little too much to drink? Too much caffeine? Haven't slept in 36 hours but are driving anyway? The streets were empty a moment ago but now you've swerved to hit a lamppost. Or there's someone sitting in the passenger seat and you aren't sure when they got there or how long they've been talking to you. Maybe you're walking somewhere and you're not sure how you got there, you only know that you did

[@yayaaabunni]

AHHH YESS more VHS horror. Bring me back to that time sitting in front of the TV watching Poltergeist scared out my brains 🥴😂

[@smartyexplorer135]

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[@shelly4301]

The bots are getting closer... It's only a matter of time before they catch me

[@imperadorchin3099]

@Chad 007 nah, you're virgin 007

[@chewthulu1004]

This was actually...a really good video. Like, more so than usual. This was a GREAT video. I love these kinds of "workshop" videos, where people discuss how we could do existing processes differently. It's nothing shorter than an awesome discussion. Hope to see more spooky videos like this in the future!

[@smartyexplorer135]

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[@rhiannon_legacy2108]

That's... Dang. That's horrifying. I got chills just from you talking about it. If someone made a series like this I would watch the heck out of it, that's a terrifying ly good idea

[@hazmatfirehero6318]

I think the movie “Nope” by Jordan Peele represents this [edit:this being new, high def, cheap cameras] really well. Never using old grainy footage, but playing on innate fears and obscuring the monster just out of view

[@abbymcguire9541]

yes it was really interesting how much I wanted to see the alien but looking at it means that you will be eaten. The idea of avoiding cameras and the hyper visibility that exists today would be an interesting angle to take with horror

[@patchoparadise8730]

Just after mat realises he gets mostly viewers from Google devices he gets sponsored by google

[@NotThatPerson95]

@Eye I doubt your making fun of bots because they’re thousands of comments formed in this way, I believe that you in fact are a bot.

[@NotThatPerson95]

@Eye in fact all of your comments are the same.

[@jacktaylor2284]

@@NotThatPerson95 if you wanna help just report them

[@danielrubio1381]

Don’t Worry Darling is a really good example of a modern analog horror. It deals with our time but with some tech that is a little bit out of reach. Its uncomfortable vibe is amazing and really gets you in on noticing things that are wrong.

[@MDG-mykys]

I thought it was set in the 60s, lol.

[@tomb8936]

Harry styles acting was the ony thing wrong in that movie.

[@joyclarin6080]

@@tomb8936 LOL-

[@karanaher5030]

The movie was a meh.

[@-_leslielopez_-1619]

@@tomb8936 I cry.

[@walmartgrinch727]

This kind of “psychological memory horror” as I like to call it is really freaky like with the popularity of everywhere at the end of time videos and that phenomenon and I think that’s the new wave of horror

[@WilliamHaisch]

If you want to stay in the visual realm, one could mess with the encoding errors, like dropping a key frame from the stream but the “differences” are still applied to the previous video stream. It is so strange watching a person emerge from an unrelated frame, like the background was painted onto the person and they only show themselves when they moved.

[@bowtieteddy]

I've been WANTING FOR SO LONG to do a modern analog horror series set in the 2000s or 2010s. I really want to set it right after the switch to digital, and have the "monster" or whatever scary thing is happening figure out a way to survive after the analog era. The ideas you gave remind me of the game "simulacra" and other games like it. Thanks for giving me something to think about!

[@MiloMurphysLaw]

That would actually be really interesting to see a monster that was taking advantage of the analog technology having to adapt to all the new digital stuff.

[@64tech42]

Combining analog horror and a giant pixel advert, well played

[@FriedIce3]

He sold out just to make money and spewed out a video that is not even a theory, it's just buzzfeed again

[@mrgrumpy888]

More like giant pixel ad masquerading as a game theory video.

[@FriedIce3]

@@mrgrumpy888 same thing happened with the one punch man video

[@SimplyTrulyNothing]

MatPat creates some terrifying and psychotic things when he’s left alone for too long

[@marxi1511]

Thank you Matt for helping me keep up till 4 a.m because of the feeling there was someone in my walls 😊

[@fishfella8955]

Insulation in your walls tastes good ngl

[@SOPHI529]

You okay?

[@imjustbeingrandom]

@@fishfella8955 Agreed, though it can be a bit Salty for certain parts. Kinda crunchy though

[@xenird]

Iaminyourwalls

[@B_g1117]

Aight you're exaggerating

[@slav_m1443]

The fact the headphones falling of my head gave me bigger fright than those start jump scares where I did not flinch tells me something a but my self.

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[@pegatinasconoloracanela7154]

I AM SO HYPED WITH THE CONCLUSION MATPAT GAVE US. I was searching for a long time for something to base a horor proyect on, but I just couldn't find that thing that was spot on, but now, with THIS, I have some ideas in mind. Thank you Mat for investigating things that I wouldn't have thought that were researchable!

[@Saphia_]

Could you share the project if/once you make it? I'd love to read/watch it.

[@smartyexplorer135]

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[@Assymetry]

What’s the source for the shadow creature warning thing before the hp lovecraft portion? Is it like a new arg or

[@pegatinasconoloracanela7154]

@@Saphia_ Sure! Tx for the support

[@_theknighthawk_7018]

GUYS TURN ON CAPTIONS Start the film from the begining and turn on captions. Trust me. It'll change everything.

[@Devious_One7]

0:52 HA! bold of you to assume I have not a wall right behind me. And I highly doubt you be in my wall, for my wall is the thinnest sh*t in the world

[@justjosh9353]

That concept would be a very good analogue horror series.

[@smartyexplorer135]

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[@rvens8885]

Or should they be called, digital horror series?

[@Tw0Dots]

@@rvens8885 nah analog horror sounds better plus literally anything online is already digital basically lol

[@rvens8885]

@@Tw0Dots oh

[@imperadorchin3099]

@@Fenis1754 LOL me too

[@complex2live]

The fact that Mat got sponsored by Google is impressive

[@a1locc25]

It’s not impressive at all. Nor is it anywhere close to being the first time they’ve sponsored a video.

[@gobblerglizzy6912]

i mean he does work for google so

[@arugula517]

Google sponsors him alot

[@Klerj]

As far as know he got sponsored by google at least 3 times

[@krea8402]

I know, right? It's really impressive that Google got MatPat to do an ad for them

[@emeraldwolf3494]

What Mat believes Analog Horror in the future actually reminded me, oddly enough, of the series Bleach, because one of the story arcs is all about the main character dealing with everyone else having their lives edited by someone, and he’s the only one who is left normal. Of course, in his eyes he’s the only one living a “true” life. But when he’s the only one, does that make his life the real “false” one? When reading it, that part really struck my with a feeling of dread, the same dread I imagine the future analog horror Mat talked about would probably aim for.

[@smartyexplorer135]

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[@toonasag]

It also has an anime named Bleach, right?

[@emeraldwolf3494]

@@toonasag yeah, that’s what I’m referring to

[@PyandGalatea]

13:10 The mention of ai art makes me gag because I'm an artist and I'm now struggling to get commissions because of the stupid ai art people seem more interested in... Mentioning ai art is already horror so

[@davidwilson2916]

Hearing MatPat talk about AI-generated images suddenly made me remember a video by Rahn where characters from Deus Ex were replicated through exactly such a process (I believe he used Looking Glass AI). The results were exactly the type of 'uncanny valley' imagery described here, where familiar sights and sounds become distorted and unsettling. I could see that being a really interesting premise for a horror series - almost a spiritual successor to the 'cursed/haunted game' trope. Definitely fascinating to think about.

[@umbertus]

To be honest, from all the examples and as an horror fan, the only thing that legitimate scares me is Mandela Catalog. It's been so, so long since I've been scared. And Mandela's catalog achieve that. That's incredible.

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[@jamilleyomtown]

Same. Mandela catalogue has given me that sleepless nights like horror movies used to as a kid.

[@triledink]

You should talk about the ''forgotten'' one of the original analoghorror videos from 2011 called Foundonthetape (Found on the tape) there is only 3 videos on youtube, but there was a rabbit hole full of downloadable Half life 2 maps connected to the series.

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[@tunnelsnakesrule7541]

I thoght the original analoghorror was Wyoming Incident.

[@Tw0Dots]

@@tunnelsnakesrule7541 some reading comprehension will allow you to observe the comment that says “ONE of the originals” … Not _the_ original.

[@triledink]

@@tunnelsnakesrule7541 Yeah one of the first one, but the found on the tape one was something that the viewers contributed in to get new clues and hidden maps.

[@permeus2nd]

14:09 and based on how slow the legal system is it will be at least 100 years before laws are in use to protect against this.

[@A_E_A_U_I_O]

14:31 That's literally what "Ghost in the Shell" is about. But that movie treated it like a terrible and distant distopia. Nowadays we are not even surprised by it, and I'm really scared about this fact

[@IcyAuron]

Having to explain the lines on a VHS, or what a VHS even means, has added to my very rapidly expanding list of things that make me feel old.

[@ConnanTheCivilized]

Here’s a good way to panic about being old: When’s the last time anybody used a dvd player?

[@IcyAuron]

@@ConnanTheCivilized People think of like Final Fantasy V when they think of 20 years ago, but FFX is actually that old.

[@gen_edits]

@@ConnanTheCivilized omg i feel like I have been living for 10 centuries after that statement

[@AndyGun11]

@@ConnanTheCivilized A lot

[@englishdprmapping1613]

@@ConnanTheCivilized Does the xbox playing dvds count? Cos if not my answer shifts from Wednesday to Monday

[@chickpealovestobecrazy]

the film and game theory video intros never fail to make me laugh🤣 thank you for being a part of my life GTlive!! you make a lot of people's day

[@bloodystatic4156]

Perhaps another option for Analog Horror is not to go foward, but to go back to a time before VHS existed. I would love it if an Analog Horror series used Betamax instead of VHS!

[@elsalick3634]

i love this idea so much, and i actually know kind of where this is becoming a horrifying reality! i’m at a pretty well-renowned art school, but there’s a student here who produces all of his art using AI. he didn’t write any AI programs himself, he just uses programs like CrAIyon and Wombo. Normally, this would be something that people would just get mad about, but it’s gotten creepy because he’s been replacing other student’s handmade work with his own AI generated work during critique in such a way that no freshman artist can do. it’s changing the standard expectation of art, because the expectation is to be able to create what his machine can make. it’s frightening, and takes away from other student’s talent.

[@anthonyortiz350]

I did not understand what you said could please clarify what you mean?

[@hipjoeroflmto4764]

You're a building?

[@5spec]

​are you two dense dude i have adhd im a teen i can understand this clearly

[@meltymeltysugar]

@@5spec same 💀 idk what’s hard to understand

[@Junya01]

Yeah that’s just plagiarism. If he’s feeding the AI data of ur classmates’ art as inputs, then it’s no longer his own work now is it?

[@skyt465]

12:46 Matpat without wrinkles give me nightmares

[@Lynxeption]

Currently I've seen a rise in the Digital Horror genre, with stuff like The Mandela Catalogue starting to take place in the 2000's a lot of rising creators have decided to play around with the idea of the Gen Z memories, with things like "The June Archive" taking elements from the Flipnote Studio community and twisting around the memories to convey a dark plot while retaining the elements that made those old Flipnote animations so charming and unique. I truly like where KZbin horror content is heading, and can't wait to see where we'll be in the next year or so.

[@BC_Youtube-71]

9:30 | That is called the uncanny valley, it’s triggered when your brain recognizes the creature on screen but it’s mutilated or malformed so that it doesn’t fully fit to what the brain thinks it is.

[@goffrd137]

Shout out to the editors of this video for a stellar job of creating excellent images and enhancing this whole thing.

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[@chatt21dulanya68]

I love how he made the sponsor an integral part of the video

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[@smittensage714]

8:35 This is probably one of the main reason why I find Junji ito's mangas terrifying. He turns normal and mundane things and turn them into something terrifying, like how he turns a spiral into something horrifying in his work Uzumaki. Definitely recommend reading your curious.

[@WD_RatLad]

@@heyguys4571 stop it.

[@cl0ver76]

4:09 if you think about it the game simulacra or what ever it’s call is modern analog horror. Just the way it’s set up is more than just analog horror Bc you have more ways to dive deep into the lore( idk if this made sense to y’all but thats my standpoint on this)

[@justicedunham4088]

Only MatPat would make an entire educational video while still being an ad for Google.

[@avi_mation]

Why isnt this pinned yet

[@glomp7085]

3:50 here we see a wild matt patt in his natural habitat looking for theorys

[@IshowSongNames]

💀

[@igloo_31]

Lmao this is really funny 😂😂😂😂

[@Khailaboo]

Analog horror has popping off recently. With Mendela Catalogue, backrooms, walter files, ect. Amazing.

[@Адам-ъ3в]

Waltuh

[@slothstudios_]

@@Адам-ъ3в put your d away waltuh

[@haleyrsm]

@@Адам-ъ3в waltuh…waltuh gimme the gun…

[@The_SiIIy_0ne]

One of the reasons the Mandela catalogue works so well I’s BECAUSE we don’t see then it creates a way better sense of dread wondering “where is it the door had opened but we’ve seen Nothing.” It’s quite terrifying

[@60sspider-man29]

Matt's a really good actor. Which makes sense.

[@smartyexplorer135]

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[@The_Zeldalorian]

He was a theater kid

[@totallynameless8861]

Because he is just generated by an AI?

[@sapphinese]

Mat you should really listen to The Magnus Archives; some of its episodes touch on this exact concept of gaslighting people into questioning all of their memories and reality itself. No spoilers, but episode 3: “Across the Street” is when they first touch on this fear.

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[@ImGadz]

A-Magnus

[@orokicide182]

I think boisvert is a realy good example of modern visuals being scary like overwhelming with information and images

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[@polish_filipino]

14:48 Funny he says this, because a few months back I was trying to prove to my sister we had went to a place before but they never were able to remember it. I ended up having dozens of pictures of everything around us, as well as previous knowledge about the place. But when I went to look for pictures they had and even I had. I was in none of them, I went back to look at other potential trips that my parents might have been in. And there qere always pictures of them and my extended family in those pictutes. But never me, it was like trying to porve something, but the pictures couldn't help you. Anyway I lost the argument because I couldn't back it up with anything. It was definitely one of the weirdest experiences in my life

[@omegabet3912]

Came for the horror, stayed for the recording technolony history. You got me good, Matt.

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[@the4thg.follower774]

As someone has said to me... "Have you ever thought about a world where everything is the same, expect you don't exist, everything function perfectly without you..." ...What a terrifying thought...

[@revron9683]

Ah, Goner Kid from Undertale, right? Nice reference

[@snakesbakecookies]

- Goner Kid, 2015

[@nataliesalinas3163]

There's this one story I heard in a podcast where someone is testing an AI for texting, and it picks up on our texting quirks and stuff and it gets better with each day where they don't even have to worry about responding anymore because the ai seemingly reads his mind and answers, so much so it starts asking people to hang out or telling them they don't want to hang out because of work and the person starts becoming so isolated they think it's what they wanted but they're realizing it's their mistake

[@nettahkoplowich2459]

I saw a wholesome version where the friendgroup has one friend die so they used an ai and then another died so they used an ai and when the final one dies he puts in his will that he wants to be the ai too so the friendgroup can live on

[@nataliesalinas3163]

@@nettahkoplowich2459 I actually saw that one too! It was cool and still a bit scary

[@AlixC]

@@nettahkoplowich2459 omg, do you have the title for this? I'd love to watch this, sounds so sad but scary still!

[@nettahkoplowich2459]

Instagram-

[@_theknighthawk_7018]

GUYS TURN ON CAPTIONS Start the film from the begining and turn on captions. Trust me. It'll change everything.

[@randomrulz]

Coming back to this video after over a year since it's upload, I'm still a bit unnerved (in a good way) how sorta accurate it is with which route horror might take moving forward. Although, not so much with the horror media has rn but with some of the ideas it presents. Seeing the state of online media nowadays with all of the AI generated stuff or doctored images and stuff, yeah. I would absolutely say this theory aged like wine (fortunately for the theory, but maybe not so much IRL)

[@ImboredyStuff]

I ain’t reading allat but I agree to the beginning

[@michelndjock]

2:55 MatPat: "And it looks fantastic!" *Me, watching his video at 144p*: "Ah, yes, I see"

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[@WD_RatLad]

@@smartyexplorer135 nobody likes bots, unless it's AI. you are a bot, not AI.

[@prospectoridv]

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[@constantchaosproductions]

in the near future, pastra is creating an anolog horror series! i'd love to see an episode on his work, he's making great stuff

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[@Haunted2077]

Ignoring the bots, I DO want to see MatPat do a theory on dreams of an insomniac, once it’s out

[@The_Zeldalorian]

The part about being able to talk to an AI version of a person reminds me of the book series “ Arc of a Scythe”. Its not a main part of the series, but it is featured a bit

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[@zhabiboss]

“Standing right behind you” how is it doing that if I am laying head-against the wall right now

[@bluekirbyrocks]

ITS IN THE WALLS!

[@tashanight24]

I was NOT expecting an actual jump scare. I legit almost fell off my bed 😃

[@pinkpeppers5580]

Timestamp?

[@disiboi1496]

@@pinkpeppers5580 0:42

[@julianatruite5206]

I love this idea so much! As someone who loves stories and technology this topic really interest me and now I’m craving a new era of terror exploring this themes

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[@madieschlarman1872]

I can see this as a really good gaslighting storyline where someone knows something happened but someone else magically erases every piece digital evidence making the phrase "if you didn't take picture did it really happen" have a whole new meaning.

[@astroash2468]

"Definitely not standing behind you." Me, laying down on a bed that's in the corner of the room: *I am 4 parallel universes ahead of you*