Black Widow - How to Fail at Spy Thriller | Anatomy Of A Failure

[@Filmento]

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[@kindbrute4640]

Did you like the movie though? I found it mid at best

[@deandrenicholas2545]

@@kindbrute4640 that's what I said. It was ok, and that's it. 6 out of 10

[@kakashikage9483]

I’m so glad I wasn’t the only one that thought of the Bourne franchise when I saw this movie. I mentioned it my movie review, because everyone else was comparing it to Winter Soldier kzbin.info/www/bejne/oIPTnaOCZtmMl8k

[@angdemidemi]

Sorry out of topic but @filmento, can you do Major Grom: The Plague Doctor. I enjoyed the film but I'm interested on how you see it. I've been learning so much from your channel, now I see movies a bit more with depth! Thank yooou!!

[@michaelpruitt1857]

It was a good movie,I enjoyed it.

[@PittsburghSonido]

The real crime of this film was omitting the Budapest arc with Hawkeye.

[@mrpuss2519]

Just like Fury's eye.

[@littleredruri]

Indeed.

[@ChainsawMixx]

Should I watch the movie first or is it not worth it?

[@chasehedges6775]

Same. They referenced that in The Avengers 2012

[@littleredruri]

@@ChainsawMixx It's worth it, it's a really enjoyable movie.

[@jjoestar385]

Not gonna lie the fact that they built up the red guardian for him to not really succeed in any fight or prove himself, pisses me off

[@jjoestar385]

@mintysquinty not sure what chekhov is but yes the fact that he didnt even win his big fight was dissapointing to say the least, i at least hope we see more of this character

[@ThePsiGuard]

@@jjoestar385 Chekhov's Gun is a storytelling principle that states if you show a gun to the audience in act 1, the gun should be used in act 3. Basically it means if you include certain details in your story, you need to make those details meaningful and not waste the audience's attention. It's kind of a betrayal to the audience when you seem to set up something but never deliver a payoff.

[@sheppieboi]

@@jjoestar385 His big fight was defeating his own ego. As an eastern european I think he's meant to represent the downfall of the prideful soviet union as well as a person who likes to "live in his glory days". By the end he realises that his problem is not NOT having the right feelings, his problem is not communicating those feelings. I feel like it's a good message, especially for men.

[@SalusFuturistics]

@@sheppieboi People totally went to the Movie for that, "especially men"

[@risingdoom]

@@SalusFuturistics and what is your reason to watch the movie?

[@ohuckabee]

In a way, this explains why the Punisher and Daredevil only got TV shows. Neither can be turned into a bombastic Marvel film without losing what they are.

[@Whateveridksomething]

And goddamn were they great! Especially daredevil

[@dralakba-dusk31]

and even then that Punisher was a very less murdery punisher.

[@Whateveridksomething]

@@dralakba-dusk31 not until the very end of season 2 where his arc was fully formed as the punisher, but it was canceled

[@creed8712]

I meant daredevil fighting a bunch of ninjas and a fat dude is bombastic enough. As for punisher I’d just get the Russian in there and you’d be good

[@Whateveridksomething]

@@creed8712 lmao you'd be far from good trust me, punisher at his prime can do some pretty insane shit, and I'm talking about the netflix version

[@DauthEldrvaria]

The Avengers Movies made Natasha seem so interesting and mysterious. What pain was she carrying? What happened to her in her past? How does she have no one who really cares for her yet she can be such a charming character who is obviously beautiful. They release this movie and killed all the interest I had for this character. Amazing.

[@iwillgowiththatcat8667]

Well that’s kinda ignorant on your part.black widow is an amazingly written character in the comics might I add you shouldn’t depend your interest in the movies when they, most of the time aren’t accurate.

[@imnotakingimnotagodiam..ab9455]

@@iwillgowiththatcat8667 Did you even understand the comment or not?

[@jeremybrown9611]

@@iwillgowiththatcat8667 Telling us you're a Simp without telling us you're a Simp

[@schwarzerritter5724]

As silly as classical James Bond is, everything is build to look like everyday objects. The gadgets, the cars, the hideouts. But here we have the villain walking around in public dressed like a Power Ranger.

[@TheKillaShow]

But this is a comic book movie.

[@vfxninja5503]

@@TheKillaShow "but Birth Of A Nation is just a klan movie, why are you complaining"

[@eem2wavy133]

@@TheKillaShow tbf taskmaster doesn’t have to be the main villain

[@ChrisH421]

@@vfxninja5503 think what he's saying is that this is in universe for marvel so people have seen super heroes, villains like crossbones, the hulk, and so forth out in public. In this context taskmaster doesn't stick out that much.

[@jfoster8624]

This is a different unvirse one where someone dressed up like that isn't uncommon to see

[@w3x8m2173]

It was hard to get invested in a story where there was not a single thing at stake. Characters were surviving falls from great heights, massive explosions without even breathing hard. Also, if it had been released chronologically I think it would have much stronger.

[@bbittercoffee]

Exactly! Every thing that could mortally harm was deflated by the fact that I knew she survived and then died in Endgame She fell from a building? She's not supposed to die yet Lost a fight and gets locked up? Well, she gets out because she's just fine in IW

[@russiankodiak6849]

Yeah, like bro Black Widow doesn’t have powers in the MCU, so the types of falls that these characters took would probably kill them, it’s an inconsistency

[@JustaGuy_Gaming]

@The ABC Jug Band The problem is being a "normal" human is kind of Widow's gimick. Yet her she is doing the near impossible and making it look easy. Spiderman would be impressed with her abilities. Not to mention she just beats Taskmaster down like a cheap trick in the end. No reason she can suddenly win, she just does. The Villian who's supposed to be able to learn any martial art instantly from watching it once. That seemingly was behind the entire Black widow program and knows every move she'd make... lost like a chump.

[@MystiqMiu]

Even if one of her family members died, who cares since she couldn't be damned to mention a single one of em by name in the whole of the mcu before now? Must not have been that relevant to her is what that says, so the movie team didnt have that as a tool either

[@dulguunshallot1018]

and fucking tasmaaaaaasttteeeeeer reveal

[@AlexRider589]

The most interesting thing about spy thrillers is the "hiding in plain sight" part.

[@ToasteBlade]

Are you telling me you can’t hide in plain sight in a tank while destroying entire cities?!

[@akshy471]

Tom cruise walking in the Kremlin in Ghost protocol is just the sweetest.

[@maybeyourbaby6486]

maybe this is a dumb idea but maybe a villain in a sci-fi suit that lets them change their appearance to look like other people is the way to do spy thriller combined with superhero sci-fi that has given up on justifying itself? There could be tons of tension from this like superpowered person in a supersuit being able to like holographically or whatever turn into anyone they want. Is that old lady outside feeding the birds a little too alert for an old lady? Is it just me or has that jogger ran past us three times in two minutes? Hey why are you in the kitchen didn't you just leave? I feel like that might be a way to blend the genres and make a product greater than the sum of its parts

[@Bariom_dome]

Yeah, but I didn't quite feel that in this film.

[@nadarith1044]

I get the felling taskmaster isn't supposed to hide, he's supposed to be a fire-and-forget weapon that has to kill the target at any cost, i mean what the hell will people do about him? send police? retaliate by attacking the red room? the fact is that unlike a typical bond villain, red room director made themselves basically untouchable, he's a bond villain that has long since won and feels invincible

[@realkingside1564]

Me throughout the whole movie: “HOW DID SHE NOT DIE…WTF”

[@declanhugors]

Its because shes a woman. We can't have weak women in modern film, can we?

[@irrevenant8724]

@@declanhugors Yup. I constantly think that watching MCU films. "OMG, Clint, Sam and Tony are just ordinary humans who should *not* have survived that. It's because they're women. We can't have weak women in modern films, can we?".

[@Undubbedriah]

@@irrevenant8724 OMG you roasted him

[@Whatsabird]

@@declanhugors im pretty sure its because she died in endgame

[@declanhugors]

@@irrevenant8724 Well Sam and Tony have ARMOR, so no shit when they survive some form of blast. And since when has Clint just walked away from an attack like Natasha's bridge scene?

[@commander31able60]

I've got an even better scenario - Natasha befriends the director's daughter, gives her a gift-wrapped box saying it's for her father and has the daughter deliver the bomb.

[@shamamtashminkabir]

Yup

[@MrKersey]

Even better, Natasha puts on the vest with grenades, goes to the director, pulls the pins out and says "This is from Matilda".

[@ABeardedDad]

Savage.

[@veteranredbeard6222]

The director is a woman...Cate Shortland

[@commander31able60]

@@veteranredbeard6222 so?

[@lukesanders8912]

It’s kinda bad that black widow was my third favourite character in her own film

[@toyanthaog5109]

Sad you thought it was her movie

[@reinspieler]

after yelena and Dad alexei

[@KalaiArasan_The_Doctor]

@@toyanthaog5109 Hint: Title of the movie

[@toyanthaog5109]

@@KalaiArasan_The_Doctor yelena is a black widow too

[@argo9721]

@@toyanthaog5109 wow

[@dobbear]

One of the reasons why I love the Ant-Man movies is they are part of a connected universe but also hold their own as individual movies without constantly hitting you over the head with "Avengers".

[@janbreaux2545]

Same as Doctor Strange

[@dobbear]

@Stuff already starting to see it fizzle out with Black Widow and even their Shang Chi, usually you'd see ads blasted everywhere for Marvel movies, I didn't know this Shang Chi was a thing till the other week, personally there is no hype around it. Its great that other people are hyped about it but I'm happy to wait till it shows up on stream platforms without the premium.

[@Lunarwingluna]

Definitely agree. Ant-Man is honestly one of my favorite standalone MCU films. It did a very good job staying grounded in its own story, and it was also just a really good film.

[@iamgroot2810]

It is a very formulaic movie but yeah it's an enjoyable movie. Especially the 1st one.

[@ceciladams4882]

@@dobbear Their TV shows are much better than their movies as of now. They actually build characters and help set up the future while still being their own thing.

[@jakesasak3448]

Dude you literally are my film school. You make my stories and writing so much better, I can't describe how much of a help you've been to my writing.

[@benjamingentile1660]

Also a floating building in the sky is not “above the radar” it’s right where radar looks. “Below the radar” is the common phrase because when you get close to trees, buildings and hills radar gets confused. Right in the clouds is a big ol’ dot on a radar screen.

[@kindbrute4640]

Bruh, that line fucking HURT me. These people actively refuse to do research at this stage

[@anthonyromanelli1392]

I found it hilarious that in the first Thor, SHIELD found Thor’s hammer in about two days, but nobody could find the giant sky station twice the size of the Helicarrier for over twenty years

[@jaypeterson1324]

God that one stung. You’re telling me not a single plane passed by, or a single person looked up and saw a fuck-all sized borderline space station in the sky

[@goldchampagne3556]

U do realize if u fly high enough ur not gonna be on the radar

[@benjamingentile1660]

@@goldchampagne3556 yeah, and where those clouds are is no where near that. If they were at the level everyone would have passed out the second they left an enclosed space.

[@NCHProductions]

was kinda hoping filmento did a brief editing of dom pulling up to the black widow family and saying "family" aha....

[@Mrhellslayerz]

Aye, didn't expect to see you here!

[@darthsilversith667]

You know why reverse cowgirl is illegal in Alabama..? Because you don’t turn your back on family.

[@jakespacepiratee3740]

@@darthsilversith667 Anal is also illegal in Mississipi, but idk any joke about that.

[@rendyajadech1957]

Expecting your next video will be RAG :3

[@selfconscience]

Black widow keeping up with the memes a year after it's supposed release

[@aidangordon2713]

"What was your plan, Disney?" "To emulate popular spy thrillers, but de-fang them so that we don't damage our brand!" *"Well, your plan SUCKS!"*

[@memebrain2177]

not a great plan

[@technocore1591]

Well if their plan was to make money...

[@aidangordon2713]

@@technocore1591 Yeah, but it's Marvel. They could produce a Room-quality movie and people will STILL eat it up.

[@kickass2117]

@@aidangordon2713 You'll never see a room quality movie from MCU because they'll either play safe(Black Widow, Antman and the Wasp) or go all out(Infinity War, Endgame)

[@wifine1951]

@@kickass2117 lol their D+ shows are dog shit

[@aetherblackbolt1301]

The stunt double for Taskmaster was a man whenever the helmet was on, because they wanted the character to be more menacing. And yet it's a spindly twig once the helmet is off. That's how laughable it all is.

[@realdavidjones1623]

Although that was funny 😂 that was still very rude.

[@tlshortyshorty5810]

Olga Kurylenko’s a respectable actress who did work as a Bond girl. Completely and utterly wasted in this movie.

[@shadyminkins5704]

@@realdavidjones1623 Not rude at all, unless you mean rude to the filmmakers (who kinda deserve it). If you mean the actress, nothing's her fault, all OP did was say she's thin =p

[@radspiderjackson]

still surprised no one has mentioned the fact that the red room existed in the clouds in a time where the avengers and just Earth period was supposed to be on high alert, particularly for anything hovering above Earth

[@maxdrags3115]

The clouds aren't above earth, but ok.

[@arichutfles]

@@maxdrags3115 Earth = ground. The clouds are literally above Earth.

[@radspiderjackson]

@@maxdrags3115 lol excuse me but no matter what you decided is above earth or not, its still something that should not have been over looked by avengers that are on high alert after alien attacks and crap...

[@siauhweeleow7490]

@@radspiderjackson Something hovering above earth, whether is a threat or not is not determined by Avengers, it is by S.H.I.E.L.D. If they are not a direct threat, their stance is usually to leave it alone. SHIELD is led by Nick which is a sort of leader of the avengers.

[@captainjakemerica4579]

Pretty sure there was a cloaking device similar to what the old Helicarrier had

[@khfan4life365]

I’m gonna get flak for this, but I have to say it. Taskmaster and Draykov’s daughter should have been different people. Taskmaster should have been a merc hired by Ross to take out rogue Avengers, like Nat, and Draykov’s daughter should have manifested as a ghost of guilt that Nat carries. As we’ve seen in the past Avengers movies, Nat has huge emotional baggage as a result of what she did as a Russian spy. Draykov’s daughter could have appeared as an apparition to force Nat to truly face her past and forgive herself for what she did. Lastly, this movie should have been released after Civil War (the timeline of the movie). It would have given more emotional weight to losing Nat in Endgame.

[@gaberielpendragon]

Said like some one who doesn't know how much of a pain in the ass it is to get the green light for movies. You can look at the history around the movie, there was basically no way to get it done before exactly right about now, pre-production didn't even start until 2019. Obviously it can't fit into the timeline where it released, but also this entire phase is all about exploring the greater timeline. Loki being a prime example. This movie sets up Nat's timeline through the MCU pretty tightly. That one time in Budapest being the only real gap we haven't seen on the big screen. Taskmaster works perfectly fine. It's very much the type of thing a control freak like Draykov would do. She also is still alive, so can be reused in the future. Then we have Loki, so Taskmaster variants can also show up in the future.

[@uditvedantmishra9719]

@@gaberielpendragon shill

[@camil3545]

i'm pretty sure a lot of people would agree with the idea of Taskmaster and Draykov's daughter should have been different people.

[@heyisubbed]

@@gaberielpendragon What do you mean? They definitely could’ve made a Black Widow movie sooner. The only thing that held Marvel back from doing that was Marvel itself.

[@gaberielpendragon]

@@heyisubbed I see you haven't spent any time reading up on the production history of Black Widow. Or taken any time to consider that Draykov's entire program was to make Black Widows. All of them are Black Widows.

[@theelephantintheroom69]

We never found out why that first Widow got her hands on the red stuff that frees their mind and why she ran away rather than exposing the rest of the widows to it in the Red Room

[@pats3212]

They do kinda mention it, she was a widow one generation before Melina's, she got out bc the conditioning at the time wasnt as advanced, hence both Melina and Natasha not being lifelong widow puppets, this first widow actually worked on the red thing in order to free the new generation widows like Yelena whose conditionings were biochemical. It would have been nice to see who she was working with tho, bc it seemed like she was just doing it on her own and had no backup plan if she was ever found.

[@quigonkenny]

Yelena mailed it to her. It's not explained well.

[@Sa_mageste_le_roi]

​@@quigonkenny Not Nat but the widow from the beginning, who freed Yelena

[@sneakaboo3486]

There was so much exposition, they should have just made a movie about BW growing up. Imagine if instead of talking about all she went though, you actually saw her training and how she got so distant from Yelena. Then knowing BW dies and they never make up hurts more. I was really interested in the intro because it was a side of Marvel we never saw before. I wanted to see how Yelena and BW’s relationship was affected to the point that BW never mentions her to the Avengers. I wanted to see how BW got out and joined SHIELD, and what she had to sacrifice. I want to see Yelena start hating SHIELD because they took her sister away. Instead, we get storytime with BW

[@ihopeicanchangethisnamelat7108]

The opening credits but that for the whole film

[@MabusParodies2nd]

"Movie wants to use the emotion of a dark topic without ever actually touching it" Sounds like a recurring issue in most MCU films. And other Disney films.

[@mr.stuffdoer8483]

Nah, a lot of the MCU is willing to get into the dark topics. Stuff like Ragnarok just avoided actual drama by undercutting everything with jokes.

[@madladdie7069]

@@mr.stuffdoer8483 Ragnarok pulled it off though, meanwhile something like WandaVision just...

[@MabusParodies2nd]

@@mr.stuffdoer8483 And by "get into the dark topics" you mean "dip their fingers then run away"? Cause they sure as hell don't spend more than 1 minute talking about it before moving on to the next joke or CGI fest. Black Panther is by far the worst of them. They repeat the issue regarding black slavery and other related topics (though for some reason only the American problems are relevant somehow, just ignore the problems of 1 billion African people around Wakanda) throughout the film, and then they're like "we're gonna reveal Wakanda to the world and that will somewhat end racism or something", and then they build some apartments in Oakland (?) and then they all die in Infinity War, so they won't have to touch this topic for a few more films at least. It's superficial because there's no weight to their actions, no proper payoff, just the mention of a dark topic, then back to status quo. And hell, Killmonger's story could have been replaced by T'Challa seeing the bad racist stuff by himself instead of being told by someone else and it won't change much (not saying it should, I'm saying you could replace his backstory with something else and not change that much). But that would require Disney to actually touch on serious topics instead of just pretending they care for anything but our money.

[@grahamstrouse1165]

Everyone’s got dead parents in Disney films but you you rarely see them die...

[@GUURL101]

@Stuff the opening sequence gave me chills. Seeing those children taken by dreykov

[@theelephantintheroom69]

The explanation is simple: Disney was too afraid to make a Marvel film R-18

[@akikleist]

I mean, Deadpool 3 has been confirmed to be happening in MCU and it is R-rated by Kevin Feige

[@tomdaniel872]

@@akikleist could you imagine a non r rated deadpool????

[@wasterdnb]

@@tomdaniel872 it was called once upon a deadpool in 2018

[@MadGeorgeProductions]

The Bourne movies are PG-13. They should just never have attempted the pretense of a serious spy thriller if they didn't have the balls (or talent) to go through with it.

[@HamanKarn567]

R rating doesn't mean it is good automatically.

[@ignitetheinferno1858]

“Everyone will hate me for saying negative stuff about the film.” Nah, all the youtubers I watch, even MCU fanboys, have all been like, “It’s only ok.”

[@chaosmaster4130]

Yeah thats the point. It was nothing exceptional but it was not bad either.

[@mysteryace2129]

@@chaosmaster4130 bad smell man can't be touched and is a super realistic espionage boss villain go BRRRRR

[@JustaGuy_Gaming]

Basically it does nothing special and even if you binge watch the marvel movies there is no reason to ever watch it again. IT has less impact on the MCU than even Captain Marvel.

[@chaosmaster4130]

@@mysteryace2129 dude. Thats what I said. Third act was weak. But that doesn't make the entire film bad.

[@kwameoliver2455]

Yeah it's ok, I don't see any real reason to completely hate it but it's okay, I couldn't see myself watching it again is it a 9 or 8 out of 10 no, it's like a 6.9 or solid 7, my expectations of stuff is not that high, the last time I was disappointed was when I watched the Snyder cut and how everyone kept saying how it's so good and I was so disappointed.

[@longdarkwing103]

Can we also talk about how red guardian is practically a inflatable punching clown? He is useless in everything he do, what was even the point of put him into the film? Only for the niche fans money?

[@khalilnieves7137]

He's the male character in a female movie, therefore he has to be clumsy, clownish and clueless

[@samuraijacques952]

Every Marvel film needs the comic relief in movies already written as action comedies

[@captainjakemerica4579]

@@khalilnieves7137 he had bis badass moments like breaking the prisons arm and helping Melina fight Taskmaster

[@declanhugors]

You guys have to remember that men cannot look tough in mordern Marvel products. They have to be constantly dependent on more DIVERSE characters and look like bumbling idiots. Marvel can't let men be stronger or equal to women or else THE MESSAGE isn't properly conveyed

[@declanhugors]

@@captainjakemerica4579 He needed help escaping the prison and Melina helped HIM, meanwhile taskmaster, being a WOMAN, was kicking his ass. Fun fact: The one who played Taskmaster in all the fight scenes was actually a MAN, but the woke writers retconned this character to be a woman while ironically providing that they could only get a man to do the job lmao

[@rodcab2973]

My biggest grief with this movie, other than the pacing, was that they completely dropped the ball with Taskmaster and that Natasha is somehow made of vibranium: No wonder her character was killed off.

[@captainjakemerica4579]

She wasn't fast and furius level invulnerable that's bullshit

[@dragonheart1236]

@R Coffee he's referring to how Black Widow, a trained assassin but still regular human, takes ungodly amounts of punishment and just kinda walks it off, multiple times.

[@billbill6094]

​@@dragonheart1236 Daredevil, someone more skilled and tougher, actually gets permanently injured from the beatings he takes and they're followed by him actually slowing down. Getting cut to shreds by Nobu, getting shot in the head by Punisher, taking an arrow through the chest, getting Midland Circle dropped on him. They had the perfect template of how to treat human character's getting hurt, and they chose to just right her as superhuman, which removes all risk and takes dynamic out of the fights/plot. Instead of being so outclassing like James Bond, she kind of just takes punishment and never gets downed.

[@therealfilmnerd]

I was hoping for the movie to be more of a prequel where they talked about her before joining the avengers

[@raidenstark315]

Telling the story how she joined shield set before iron man 1

[@therealfilmnerd]

@@raidenstark315 yeah, that would’ve been a much better story

[@raidenstark315]

@@therealfilmnerd set during the famous mission in budapest in the early 2000's (a time the mcu hasn't explored yet) with hawkeye and nick fury as co-leads. Showing her life working for the red room, tellinh how she became good and a important asset to shield. Basically a shield vs red room story

[@therealfilmnerd]

@@raidenstark315 YES! I always wanted to see exactly what happened in Budapest and when she worked for the red room, you’ve got great ideas 👍

[@raidenstark315]

@@therealfilmnerd i always think on ways to improve plots

[@gineppro]

okay but like can we please give this man a medal for the editing?

[@Talia.777]

Ofc, 🏅🏅🏅😊

[@fartfast4834]

Yes

[@themimsy]

The best way I can describe this movie is "It feels like a sequel to a movie we wanted but never got". Imagine how much better this movie would have been if it was a sequel. If the first movie was seeing Natasha and her upbringing in the Red Room and her going on missions, seeing her internal conflict or lack thereof due to how she was practically brainwashed, until she's stopped by Clint then recruited by SHIELD. She then goes on to have the mission in Budapest and then forced to make the controversial and morally challenging action of bombing the building with Dreykov and his daughter inside, seemingly killing them both. We then lead into Nick Fury approaching her for the mission against Loki in The Avengers (2012) Now, we have the second black widow movie in which we have already paid respect to her character and can follow up on this and introduce Yelena (the movie as is is a passing of the torch to her). We see Nat on the run following Civil War, trying to stay safe and out of the public eye. We get rid of the scene of Task Master being sent on the mission so when he shows up it's more of a shock (also, just make it not Task Master please... I don't care that they genderswapped her except that it was so forced and the fact that the Task Master is played by a man whenever the mask is still on lol. But don't waste the character making her just another victim and then also reducing the impressive skills of a photographic memory for fighting to being tech based. You can still have Dreykov's daughter be a masked villain going after Natasha). Then cut to Yelena being ruthless and killing and going on her missions when she gets introduced to the gas or dust or whatever that frees her from the control, but don't show the results of it just yet. That way, there's actually suspense when Yelena and Nat fight as we don't know already what the gas did to her, and can have Yelena explain it to Nat (instead of what we got which was seeing the gas free Yelena and then her having to ALSO explain what we just saw to Nat). When Yelena reveals to Nat that the Red Room is still active and that Dreykov is still alive, there is a sense of tension and shock as we all thought we saw Nat kill him and take down the Red Room in the last movie (unfortunately, what we instead got was a case of 'Telling' instead of 'Showing'). Blah blah the story progresses, the get the Red Guardian out (and, unlike in the movie we did get, he's not just reduced to a walking joke that only exists for comedy). We meet with Melena and Nat is suspicious right away. Build up the tension as Yelena and Alexei bond. Have Melena reveal she already contacted the Red Room and then don't cut away right away, let the scene sink in. Blah blah they get captured and brought in to the Red Room and the twists are revealed. Let Alexei actually handle his own against the Task Master instead of getting clowned on and needing Melena to save him. The story progresses and we get Task Master revealed as Dreykov's daughter, now it actually has a meaning to us as we saw Nat bomb the building and supposedly kill her (but again, I would prefer it to not be Task Master, but I digress). From then, the story can progress the way it does and we end with Nat going off to join the Avengers with her new hairdo and vest. Bam.

[@AscendantStoic]

1:24 That's just not how explosions work, she should have died several times over from an explosion like this at point blank range, it feels MCU people "just forgot" that Black Widows don't have super powers 🤔

[@derrickwilliams1210]

What about when she fell 10 storeys then got up like it was nothing "Tis but a scratch" 😒 Edit: I watched that scene again, she actually landed on her feet 😭😭

[@AscendantStoic]

@@derrickwilliams1210 Yeah, that too.

[@cir0plus]

She has the best power of all...plot armor

[@edward3190]

she's basically female Cap.

[@sirchooch9680]

@@edward3190 no Steve had powers that’s how he survivef

[@fredriddles1763]

I felt like the movie was having an identity crisis between being a spy thriller and an action movie. It would have been a lot better if they hadn't been looking for excuses to have CGI in it, and I say that as someone who loves cool CGI moments.

[@maxdrags3115]

No it wasn't, you are just stupid. Not every spy movie has to be super secretive. Furthermore, fi you weren't so simple minded, then you'd realize that it was BOTH.

[@emmanuel1547]

@@maxdrags3115 You seem to be a fun stable person.

[@notashark5189]

@@maxdrags3115 "Not every spy movie has to be super secretive" If you took a n IQ test, your score would be negative

[@maxdrags3115]

@@notashark5189 Funny coming from the stupid kid who can't understand what I am saying. Even having a negative IQ is better then having no IQ at all, you'd know that kid.

[@PeterGriffin11]

@@maxdrags3115 Last time I checked movies don't determine someone's IQ especially if the movie in question is a Marvel movie.

[@freedompancakes301]

I also think making the daughter mind controlled really ruins her character, because if anyone should have motivation to kill Natasha, it’s her. She’s already established to be different than the Widows, and is the daughter of the main villain. Not to mention that would explain why she’s not afraid to risk being exposed to the public or attacking an Avenger because she’s not motivated by hiding in the shadows and helping the Red Room, but getting revenge. Or they could just keep her as a sad mind controlled puppet with no character or motivations of her own. Which one do you think is better?

[@TheApoke]

Wow yeah that's actually such a good point

[@joshuagraham2843]

i prefer the revenge it made totally sense the whole mind controlling daughter is so bad, if he cared about her daughte rhe should have love her like father and daughter she could have been bigger role but ended up as a good guy in the end just like ghost from ant man 2 like wtf marvel?!?!? this aint steven universe like black widow saying “hey everyone she says sorry” wtf? female taskmaster is like spinel broken angry wanted revenge and later redeemed 🤬

[@thanglongnguyenvu3815]

They wanted to make a plot twist lol. A shocking revelation: the masked character was....the villain's daughter. Seriously, why not just make Taskmaster as who he originally was...Or, they could've used another character, even making up an original character ffs. They really used Taskmaster's character and the only detail of him they used was his ability to mimic fighting styles.

[@treynewtod9743]

Honestly thought that the mind control cure wouldn’t work on her cause she wasn’t mind controlled, but they missed out on a fairly good opportunity to keep widow as a good guy it seems

[@lunerblade13]

@@thanglongnguyenvu3815 a better plot twist would be to have the taskmaster character be hit by the red dust and a few seconds later when you think the conflict has resolved taskmaster continues fighting showing the personal vendetta hidden beneath the conditioning. But no a female can’t possibly have a personal antagonistic vendetta only males possess that quality.

[@tigerprince8712]

OMG WHEN U PUT THE CLIP OF THE DOG QUESTION IN BOURNE. My goodness the foreboding in that scene made your skin crawl. Paul greengrass is a legend.

[@certifiedyaminspector-dadd6224]

Nothing about Natasha's background was really disappointing. No explanation how she escaped the Widows or what she was forced to do while she was there. They went from her as a child to her already being with Shield. After setting up her backstory in Winter Soldier, you would think they would elaborate in her solo film.

[@el_killorcure]

They didn't because: 1. It would be R rated if realistic (think Red Sparrow with Jennifer Lawrence). 2. It would make her too unlikeable (assasin).

[@ev1lbolt174]

@@el_killorcure she’s an assassin that has remorse of her past, that’s kinda the point.

[@el_killorcure]

@@ev1lbolt174 Which is rendered moot by all the innocent people they kill at the prison without a second thought (inmates, guards, management, secretaries, etc).

[@GUURL101]

@@el_killorcure I agree. Marvel tried to make this a fun movie for kids so they didn't get too dark because of that.

[@julianatorquato7796]

1) agree with the replies 2) this movie was NOT about Natasha. It was about Yelena so it wouldn't matter.

[@johnlarson1793]

“Little girls are forced to become slave super soldiers through lifetimes of physical, psychological and emotional force, much like Bucky Barnes. We get a tie-in to the MCI without beating us up over it. Cool! So we’re gonna get a compelling story about women fighting against their conditioning while illustrating through their conflict that life isn’t black and white but shades of grey. A great metaphor reinforced by the greys shown at the start of the movie. Looks good! I am in!” *Sees how a lifetime of conditioning gets erased by a plume of magical red pixie dust.* “…what…the…actual…fuck….”

[@cristela4034]

Yeah, Winter Soldier did it first and so much better. This movie could have been a chance to show us the trauma these kinda characters endured which was something not shown in Winter Soldier, we just saw the consequences, but instead we got a intro montage and a copy/paste of Winter Soldier. So much wasted potential.

[@azalakhir918]

that really sounds like clones in star wars doesnt it?

[@themcmexchange2938]

Waited 10 Years for a mediocre film, the only thing I liked about it was Natasha and Yelena's relationship the opening and prologue everything else was halfassed.

[@joshuagraham2843]

sooo….red room exists why didnt hydra send for help or hire them from the first place?

[@ivanmarquez2218]

They could have also played off that the Superheroes aren't that big of a Superheroes, like yeah, they defeat the big gigantic space invaders, but where is their organization and commitment to stop something like the Red Room. Could've shown off all the black widows being bitter againts the whole Avengers and SHIELD organization, because in a universe where literal Gods exists, they just turned a blind eye because of their petty personal squabbles and basically allowed a tonelade of little girls to be kidnapped and indoctrinated. We could go deeper into the weight of morality and responsability or something like that, but... Nah. Let's joke about Black Widow's pose when landing.

[@UnclePhil1112]

A black widow film should’ve came out 5 years ago. It just makes Nastsha’s death in Endgame seem less impactful

[@Yikkoofficial]

OMG YES THISSS 💯

[@jaypeterson1324]

How? If anything it gives some more impact, because now the MCU-only’s saw the extent of Natashas work/“sins”. It only developed her character and gave it more after effect. Granted, it could’ve been released BEFORE IW/Endgame, but the effect stays.

[@kdawgmaster]

@@jaypeterson1324 it showed 1 sin when in the MCU Natasha made it seem like she had plenty. I found this actually reversed her development as a character because the reality is that this movie wasnt about her as much as it was setting up that Yelena has a target and will likely become some sort of sudo villain later on. Honestly this didnt need a movie to do it and the overall structure was one of the weakest so far. To put this into perspective. Bucky had more development with basically the exact same problems as Natasha but he gained more from his show than she did from this movie. Beyond Bucky being super human ( which this movie basically made Natasha look like ) they are near carbon copy just gender swapped.

[@bobsandwich3431]

@@kdawgmaster just because it showed 1 sin it doesn't mean that she didn't have plently. It wasn't like the movie was saying hey I did one bad thing. They highlighted the one of her sins because it tied right back into the movie with taskmasters reveal and it creates a stronger connection to dreykov. To randomly show her shooting some random people and doing other sinful things would seem random and wouldn't connect back into the story.

[@TheKillaShow]

I imagine youd find something to complain about even if this movie came out 5 years ago.

[@Sa_mageste_le_roi]

My main problem with the movie is that it's bad at retribution. Natasha and Yelena forgave their parents way to easily, they sold them out and there was barely any mistrust or anger. Also the fact that Dreykov's daughter had no animosity towards Natasha for ruining her life

[@sergeantmacnuggets1132]

Black Widow literally fall like 70 feet, get ragdoll inside a car explosion, get beat up by 20 assassins and fighting in the air with debris falling and then survive with a minor injury and small wounds

[@sadev101]

and i went jogging for the second time in a week after not having jogged for 2 years. , tripped and broke my ribs. these things movie heroes survive these days with hardly a scratch is getting insane

[@liynne]

its because mcu has failed for 10 years to tell nat has a version of the super serum in her. like in the comics.

[@liynne]

@@sadev101 nat has a not so high version of the super serum. just mcu are dumb at not adressing it.

[@sadev101]

@@liynne oh ok did not know that fact tnx

[@pastordonkoh7692]

MCU soyboys can't handle it. Between the cringy jokes and feats go figure

[@forcene736]

I think this movie just felt so empty. Maybe it was because it realeased in the wrong time or because its just a blank copy of Captain America 2. Although it had some pretty good scenes, it suffered from inconsistency and not well executed plot points.

[@kali-mariarose6099]

Or maybe that black widow is dead and this movie came out 3 years too late so it has no meaning now XD

[@aidangordon2713]

Same. Not Marvel's worst, but a _massive_ disappointment for what it could have been.

[@dimbulb2959]

@@kali-mariarose6099 For me this movie felt cheap. I expected a much better spy thriller. Had nothing to do with the movie delay. Just what I feel

[@kali-mariarose6099]

@@aidangordon2713 yeah worth the watch either way, shame its a meaningless joyride though :)

[@finngraham7243]

yeah and if i'm being honest the stakes were lackluster if there were any at all as we all know that she will die in Endgame, it makes the stakes of her choices and actions non existant as we know she would survive no matter what. Of course her family could have died but when looking at it this movie should have came out either after Captain america civil war of before endgame.

[@nell5314]

Every time I feel discontent in films I'm watching, Filmento never disappoints in explaining to me why I felt that way. Movie was fun at first, but it all became just noise at the end part.

[@segaspice4062]

He failed me, I was discontent with Spider-Man Far From Home but he praises the film even though the flaws are apparent

[@only1kingz]

@@segaspice4062 that's just one take of many someone could take. I think it's fair to not expect a commentator to touch on everything you want (especially since there are things to really like and dislike about far from home).

[@darinstgeorge]

Feelings are complex at a minimum; that’s why when you “don’t feel them when you’re supposed to,” it can be difficult to understand why…I feel the exact same way about films sometimes, and these videos always express my feelings perfectly and succinctly!

[@adarshkrishna6434]

Yo this is the exact same feeling I had. I really liked the dark and gritty tone at the beginning. I was thinking, "wait, is MCU actually making serious films". After a while, I started thinking, this should have been a lot better if it was rated R. By the end of the film..., I was like "naa, its just another MCU film". After finishing the film, "it does not have any re-watchability".

[@omeshsingh8091]

MCU: Torturing animals is funny especially when the animal is 11 seconds from death.

[@StarDisc_MultiMedia]

the fight scene in Tenet is more Taskmaster than in Black Widow

[@mememanbehindtheshadows546]

Moral story: black widow movie is a bunch of jokes and offscreen pay off story to begin with just for the movie could happen

[@Laneous14]

Tenet is the biggest piece of crap I've seen in years so I'm not sure which movie you're insulting here.

[@qnebra]

@@Laneous14 Much better than current MCU.

[@xAce0322x]

@@Laneous14 just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it's bad lol

[@Michael-pu7ee]

@@Laneous14 Why is Tenet a piece of crap?

[@memeempire4931]

While the Pheromone plot is silly,the solution gets sillier.The Fact that Natasha severed her olfactory nerve(By smashing her nose lol),means she would never be able to smell anything the rest of her life

[@werewolfgirl1995]

I thought that too when I watched the movie

[@carakelra]

She could shoot him from a far

[@shadowraven137]

@@carakelra they movied it by saying they needed to see the operating tablet/interface doodad. Would've prefered in-nose nose-plugs with her playing along until she found it. Or having the chip installed in her by her "mother" and having that sense disabled.

[@fidato_]

I she has super healing?

[@wjzav1971]

She could just return with a breathing mask or something. Hell, she could have just put tape on her nose, this pheromon fail-save seems incredibly weak and easy to circumvent.

[@BSJINTHEHOUSE420]

Imagine if they directed Black Widow the same as The Winter Soldier. That’s all we ever wanted.

[@Jose-se9pu]

Actually, they wanting to make "Winter Soldier with a female lead" was the first problem with this movie.

[@siddharth_0771]

Imagine this movie by Russo bros

[@uditvedantmishra9719]

when u look at it the movie is quite similar to winter soldier just worse- an antagonist from the hero's past who's been brainwashed, third act takes place in a flying fortress, the hero breaks through to the antagonist with the power of friendship (here chemicals) and even the introductory scene with task master feels like the winter soldier attacking nick fury scene

[@albumkosong]

Sadly it isn't Russo bros

[@N3c777]

@@uditvedantmishra9719 and because of many reasons it completely lacked the same emotion as Captain America 2.

[@shubhamnew]

the point at 7:00 about the safehouse scene is so spot on ... when it was happening in the movie, the entire time I was like "what is the point of this fight, can we just move on ??" and you explain so perfectly why someone in the audience would feel that way

[@vineetdesai6396]

This film feels like a Origin film mix with a third film of a trilogy.

[@cauaviniciusguedes2004]

And an boring sequel lol

[@chasehedges6775]

@@cauaviniciusguedes2004 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍. Too true

[@thateverettguy2991]

I think that is because it is trying to be an origin film but also relies our previous attachment to the universe to get the action down our throats

[@michaelkarimian7538]

Brilliantly well said!

[@Story2ScreenMovieReviewPodcast]

It's also trying to be Logan, but on a leash, and it has a deadline.

[@MrPatoya]

“We need a strong assassin and a Russian mob boss” “How about a X-Men Origins Deadpool and and Englishman?” “Good enough”

[@jackjackson2605]

“We need a strong assassin and a Russian mob boss” "How about a horrible reminder of Natasha's past and Russian Harvey Weinstein?" "Won't young white boys on the internet be angry?" "F*** 'em"

[@fnordiumendures138]

@@jackjackson2605 And that's the most important thing about making a movie: sticking it to white boys.

[@vadimpanov2285]

@@jackjackson2605 "Reminder of Natasha's past" that doesn't even have a fucking personality. It would've been so much better if she was an actual person. Then it would be a lot more emotional. And this "mastermind villain" is just a fat white dude that can only talk shit. He is not even threat.

[@vrolijk9865]

I thought this would be called "How to fail at The Winter Soldier"

[@dendi9883]

Yeah this film is similliar to winter soldier but worst

[@Tyler_W]

You know they mjght need to do a better job with their writing hires when they have to resort to homaging their own films from less than a decade ago. Great, make a spy thriller like that older movie, but have the balls to try to do something different and genuinely interesting.

[@jarektempleton2104]

Could be an alternate title, honestly.

[@PermanentHigh]

Pretty much. Except Winter Soldier actually felt like sone spy stuff was happening, and it took itself seriously. Black Widow was trash because it followed the typical Marvel formula of being a comedy movie.

[@lpk6372]

@@Tyler_W This was a soy movie? How was this in the spy movie genre??

[@the_travelingbreeze]

Black Widow: “Who are you?” Captain America: The Winter Soldier: “I’m you, but better.”

[@imasuperhero1351]

The best MCU movie on my list

[@justsomeguywithabeard8467]

@@imasuperhero1351 all cap' films are legendary well except captain America :the first avenger it was goo d

[@ziad3077]

@@justsomeguywithabeard8467 yea it's the only trilogy I can think of that (in my opinion) gets better with every installment

[@fartfast4834]

Yeah definitely better than black widow never mind every character is better than her

[@kedrprao]

Wayyyyyy Better. Cap WS still best MCU movie

[@florrie2303]

The main problem wasn’t the film or the concept of the film, or even the story. The problem was this. There were no actual stakes. Everyone knew that Black Widow wasn’t in any real danger because Infinity War. Also they didn’t give us any red herring’s as to who was actually behind the Red Room. It was this guy…no he’s dead…no actually it is this guy. Let’s get this guy. So no suspense from that angle too. This wasn’t a bad film. It was just made and released about 4 yrs too late. It they had made this straight after Civil War, then it would’ve been better because no one would’ve known the outcome. That is why it doesn’t work as a thriller. It does work as an action/adventure film. It’s a good film, but not a great film, like Winter Soldier was.

[@Chrissy717]

Fun fact, there are rumours out there that instead of Cpt Marvel, Black Widow should have been the movie between Infinity War and Endgame. This gets super clear to me especially after seeing the last scene with the Avengers Jet and her hair being blond. If that would have been the last thing we saw in the MCU we would have felt different about her in Endgame. It wouldn't have made the movie itself better, but as you said. We know she dies in Endgame, so what's the point?

[@florrie2303]

@@Chrissy717 Even if it was shown between Infinity War and Endgame it still wouldn’t’ve made a difference as everyone would know that Black Widow was in no real danger because she was in infinity war. There were no real stakes in this movie which is why it couldn’t work as a thriller. If this had been made immediately after Civl War, and they had thrown a few red herrings in about who was actually behind the Red Room, it would’ve worked well as a thriller, because no one would’ve known the outcome. As it was every one knew that she would survive, because she was in infinity war. End of. No stakes. Done.

[@Chrissy717]

@@florrie2303 yeah, I understand that part. But at least we wouldn't have known how Black Widow as a character would "end" in the MCU. I agree that right after Civil War it would have made the most sense, but even between Endgame and Infinity War it would have been a nice flashback. But after Endgame we simply said good bye. No more Scarlett Johansson as Black Widow, time to move on. I'm not saying placing the solo movie right between these giant blockbusters makes the most sense, but it would definitely have made Black Widows death a lot for meaningful (but yes, this doesn't help the solo film, I know).

[@georgesikorski9891]

You can still craft a prequel with high stakes though. Even if we know the ending, it's still possible to make it so in the moment we wonder how they make it out alive. Hell, even in most movies we know for sure that the hero is not just going to die, but some are so good at, just for a second, giving us a glimmer of doubt.

[@AlanJia8]

Tbh I don't think knowing someone's going to live takes away that much tension, as you pretty much know one of the main characters in a long running series is nearly guaranteed to survive anyways.

[@marcioeduardogenez50]

What upsets me is that the inner demons plot was done almost perfectly in Bucky's story in Falcon and the Winter Soldier. Here she was ok with the fact she killed a little innocent girl, but only when she finds out the girl was actually alive she starts feeling guilty. What the hell?!?

[@ivanagustinortiz5237]

It could've work if she was telling herself the girl was collateral damage but actually feeling tortured by that memory, to then when she has to face that demon she realizes that running from it and lying to yourself is not the way to go, but the *movie handles it really poorly and it feels rushed

[@thebatman.]

Yeah, they definitely should’ve lingered on her trauma more. Age of Ultron did more for that than Natasha’s own movie :/

[@marcioeduardogenez50]

@@thebatman. I couldn't agree more. Age of Ultron may have its own mistakes, but it did so much better in showing Natasha's past, mostly because the atmosphere was way better there.

[@kirinchecker]

What bugged me the most about this movie, is the action. I mean, it's a marvel movie sure, but the stunts and action that Natasha easily lives are just too much. Many stunts are even more brutal than anything that Steve Rogers has ever done and that dude is a super human, while Natasha is just an ordinary woman with some good fighting techniques. I can believe her falling of a bridge and living it, but falling down like 10 metres from a building, bouncing onto various metal-boxes and just walking away from it like nothing happened, is just too unrealistic. She's not wearing any cyber suit like tony or anything and she just lives it, while the other woman that fell from almost the same hight, couldn't move more than one arm. The movie is okay, but really should've been made for 2016 and not with that stupid post credit scene-lie, that Hawkeye is responsible for Natashas death. That really destroys the scene in Endgame. Both Natasha and Clint were eager about dying for one another to get that damn stone and now some random Woman accuses Clint for Natasha's death, when he was also ready to sacrifice himself?

[@magic75450]

The first act is great, but it declines from there. The 3rd act especially takes the movie down. Multiple "we had a secret plan all along" moments that reduce the tension, generic villain, bland final fight with a building falling from the sky.... It also makes Natasha's arc in Endgame feel lesser than it was, because the Avengers aren't her only family. She had Yelena, her "parents" and a group of 20 Widows. No way all of them got dusted in the snap.

[@nevinnful]

If marvel can conveniently keep all original avengers alive after the snap, why can't they dust those 3 ppl from black widow?? She only met the other widows once. I don't know much that makes a person family

[@magic75450]

@@nevinnful I can get it if the 3 people get dusted, that's somehow statistically realistic. But then it also seems like they expect us to believe that all 20 Widows got dusted as well, and that's where it becomes statistically unbelievable. Because if even a few Widows survived the snap, then Natasha would've had another group she can go to and belong. EDIT: Yes, she only met the Widows once, but she's basically their inspiration. Considering in Endgame she's desperate to have Captain Marvel and Rocket around, heroes she never met, you'd think having a group of people that look up to her would be where she decides to go.

[@nevinnful]

@@magic75450 first of all, the widows were never her family. Even if someone from those widows survived, who is to say she didn't send few of them for different missions in those 5 years? Showing them on screen in endgame is just gonna spoil the ending of black widow movie. I agree black widow wasn't great but here you are just nitpicking too much!

[@thehobbyist7275]

I agree. After this movie, it really showed how insignificant Black Widow's arc was in the MCU. The first act had me exckted- "Oh shit, we might actually get darker moments in an MCU movie. This's gonna be different. " Nope. As much as I hate this criticism, this movie proves at least for now, things are getting formulaic. The reason I got attached to the MCU wasn't because of the levity and humor, it was the sentimental character moments. The moments I felt loss, anxiety, and cried for this characters. Black Widow and Taskmaster feel wasted. Also, the movie didn't really play a significant role into anything whether it be for a post-Endgame world like the shows or create the Dark Origin that creates sympathy and allows us to feel proud of how far Natasha has come. WandaVision made Infinity War hurt more. Helped me realize just how much I was misunderstanding Wanda. Her relationship with Vision tops Cap and Peggy because of it. I understand that Marvel is family-friendly, but I think most people who watch are ready for more mature themes like grief, racism in our society, or something that relates with us. I still have hope as things are moving forward with the MCU, but this isn't a great Phase 4 movie start if you ask me

[@magic75450]

@@nevinnful It still makes it feel less impactful. Like the line, "did she have family? she had us". That doesn't mean much now because she actually has a family. And now Hawekye being in trouble because of Natasha feels like she didn't really sacrifice herself to help him.

[@MrFour4th]

Marvel formula : serious-jokes- fighting-jokes-sad-jokes-end fight-jokes-jokes -jokes-end

[@mr.stuffdoer8483]

Nah, that’s just Thor Ragnarok. Also I wouldn’t consider it an issue with most characters, as joking and banter is in their nature.

[@supoa9489]

@@mr.stuffdoer8483 No it's not just Thor 3 MCU is a mostly a jokefest.

[@everythingisawesome2903]

@@mr.stuffdoer8483 Joking is human nature, yes but they shouldn't joke much every five seconds that it's even taking you out of the goddamn movie, even when there is a freaking serious scene is going on, just to be ruined by with a cringeworthy joke. Joking should be like toppings on icecream, not the whole icecream itself.

[@War624]

@@everythingisawesome2903 Literally when Asgard is destroyed and Korg makes a joke two seconds later.

[@billbill6094]

They basically wanted to give Natasha her own Winter Soldier, while forgetting she was a major part of that movie in the first place.

[@glorygloryholeallelujah]

*Stranger things season 1* was *more than capable* of making the audience understand the abject horror of stealing/experimenting on little kids-without making it gory and keeping it “suitable” for a younger audience.

[@CthulhuTheory]

I've been saying this since I saw it: the movie starts great but fails to stick the landing. It's not bad, but it's not nearly as good as it *could have* been

[@joshuagraham2843]

black widow is like the incredible but with bad plot

[@racool911]

Actually I disagree. I thought the first half was kinda eh but the second half was pretty good

[@asc3nded397]

I didn’t really like the movie all to much. The pacing was really weird, the main villain was weak, Taskmaster was woefully mishandled and underused, and the movie felt fairly generic and pointless.

[@ravenspurplebeats5412]

most of task master scene's is the male stunt double doing all flips and fighting, only part female actor did was wear suite for few minutes and take off the mask to make it look like she did all the work when she did nothing would been better keeping male stunt double as main task master actor.

[@joshuagraham2843]

paying 30 dollar movie while pirate movie saves your money from bad movie use that money for good movies

[@Waterbug1591]

This goes to show that a woman director isn't good at directing a movie let alone handle a guy's comic book thing. There's 0 sex appeal in the movie, only some half-assed family struggle story with a tired-looking gassed out dad bod mixed in with a bunch of nonsensical spyish blah lahlah bs...she didn't realize that a crucial part of black widow was her sexuality. This movie is just a bunch of female trying to become men and it's yuck.

[@jaypeterson1324]

@@Waterbug1591 aaaaand we had to bring that in. End of the day it was just a mishandled movie, why are they “pretending to be men”, cause girls can’t be in that place? It was already set up in the COMICS ffs that the Widows are on par with your average cookie cutter action bro, why is it a deal now? And please give a panel showing how her sexuality is a key part of Natashas character and not the fact that she’s literally a rogue defector from possibly the most well-trained assassin organizations.

[@user-gk6nt5gi5n]

@@Waterbug1591 I don't think sex appeal had anything to do with the film missing something

[@darkevilazn]

My favorite parts of this movie, like most marvel movies, is the banter between the characters and their interactions. When they all finally meet together as a family, it was one of my favorite scenes in marvel movies. It was funny, deep, and very relatable. I'm pretty sure that scene alone is why I like the movie so much.

[@Archipelagoes]

"Haha just like in budapest" "We're far from budapest" Meanwhile budapest : Clear? *Ｂｏｏｍ*

[@malikacs]

The boom killed me 🤣

[@youngblood5434]

I'm from Hungary and live close to Budapest I'm surprised that they actually filmed a few scenes there

[@iphito7539]

Imagine if Taskmasker used the face changing mask. It would create a sense of dread. You don’t know who or where she is and you don’t know how she could kill you. It could be anyone doing basic everyday things. A pizza delivery guy could have placed a bomb at the doorstep of the house you just walked by. And it would make the reveal of the mother having these masks so much more tense. You could have a member of the family be abducted and Taskmasker posing as them. I don’t know anything about writing, so I am not trying to say that I could have done it any better. I think that the movie is pretty good, but I was a bit let down, because of the wait.

[@cameronmcguire5025]

OMG yes! This idea made me stop scrolling, someone who can mimic people's actions/mannerisms (and even in the comics, sound like them) just by watching them for a few minutes now can also look like them? I'd sign up for that

[@hans10yearsago6]

That’d actually make a real terrifying villain damn

[@rhetiq9989]

You just described a sound concept for Secret Invasion and I'm all for it

[@georgesikorski9891]

No no, you've got a point

[@iamgroot2810]

I am glad they brought back the face swap mask in TFATWS.

[@Jollyroger84103]

Can we just talk about how Taskmaster lost like, 40lbs after the gender-swap reveal?

[@korawitbuttramee618]

They didn't even bother to hire a woman stunt double for Taskmaster. Look at how progressive and inclusive they are.

[@Jollyroger84103]

@@korawitbuttramee618 I mean, it's fucking Disney. You know, the same folks who had to hide black characters from posters in China? Progressiveness and inclusivity aren't exactly high up on their list of priorities.

[@_02kaye]

@Impersonal Immigrant apparently it's the suit

[@madladdie7069]

@@_02kaye still doesn't help the fact that Natasha can keep up. they could have just told us all Widows are super soldiers. would have helped us believe the amount of damage she takes.

[@RandomL0s3r]

That suit might be extremely hot, like in one scene Taskmaster's mass is normal mass and in the final one before reveal it's actually built up sweat /s

[@gavinmillar]

Man they literally just watched The Mandalorian and were like "hey we should make a character in armour like that."

[@greenscreenfx3117]

If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it But they just had to “fix it” They made it an x men origins wolverine deadpool character Mindless killer, and it really shows

[@Crawzitow]

someone watched the screen rant pitch meeting

[@MethosFilms]

I thought of the stupid bane in the older batman movie. The brainless one that poison ivy turned the knob on his body to make him angry lol

[@greenscreenfx3117]

@@Crawzitow and it makes sense

[@FaceFamous]

@@Crawzitow I sure saw pitch meeting. Described the same way

[@gaberielpendragon]

@@Crawzitow And didn't watch the movie.

[@theloveablemadman5734]

This movie fails as an MCU movie, too. I'm a big MCU fan and I didn't like this movie. It answers no questions it brings up, and fails at everything Winter Soldier succeeds at.

[@danskyl7279]

But honestly, I think it's better than Captain Marvel.

[@maxdrags3115]

How does it "fail" as an MCU movie? Get off your high horse kid, you don't get to define what an MCU movie is.

[@theloveablemadman5734]

@@maxdrags3115 I stated an opinion that people can agree or disagree with, and in the end I can only speak for myself. To answer your question, I feel Black Widow fails as an MCU movie because it doesn't add anything to the larger world. I can't think of any concept introduced here that'll return in any way. Aside from Yelena, and possibly Red Guardian, I can't see how or why any other character would return. Most other MCU movies know what they are trying to be, and have a cohesive plot. Black Widow is incoherent, full of holes, and doesn't answer any questions brought up by the plot. The MCU has emphasized it's main heroes, showing us why we should care about them when introduced, and adding new layers in subsequent appearances. The movie succeeds introducing Yelena, but fails to give Natasha any new development or a satisfying conclusion to her story. Not all MCU movies do these things perfectly, but I think Black Widow doesn't deliver when other entries mostly do. If you think Black Widow succeeds on these points, great. If you want a more detailed answer, I did make a full review kzbin.info/www/bejne/rIXZeqt6os-GjdE

[@maxdrags3115]

@@theloveablemadman5734 It doesn't need to add anything to the larger world. You already lost the argument. The MCU is a vague term, no movie in the MCU need to be connected to the bigger world. It is supposed to be a Black Widow story, not an MCU story. Simple as that...

[@maxdrags3115]

@R Coffee No it doesn't.

[@pablofernandezortiz7460]

I hate how they butchered my boy, taskmaster.

[@mariano98ify]

now "he" is our girl.

[@pablofernandezortiz7460]

@@mariano98ify yeah, you are right They butchered my girl, taskmaster!!!

[@_hoops14_18]

The best part about taskmaster now is that “she” is referenced by loki and we didn’t even know

[@DaScorpionSting]

The stunt double was a guy

[@jaredfisher-ramos7744]

@@mariano98ify no he will forever be our boy

[@katana2k]

Filmento: "I won't say whether it's good or bad" The editing: "this is the stupidest, most bullshit movie ever made"

[@declanhugors]

I would hands down rather watch Iron Man 2 or Thor The Dark world. At least those have logical stories

[@darthsilversith667]

“Female Taskmaster is stronger than the male version in the comics!!” Yep.. so strong, you only got to play the character when they had their mask off and not doing any fighting 😂😂

[@freddyjosereginomontalvo4667]

Comic Taskmaster beat Agent Venom and Spider-Man. That's the only stence that I need to used against the movie taskmaster fans.

[@HFyaboyewill]

@@freddyjosereginomontalvo4667 did that happen in the comics too? I remember ultimate spiderman animated series had an episode including that

[@lild3838]

The armor or suit was to heavy for her She said

[@darthsilversith667]

@@lild3838 Of course it was lol

[@tiger_lord305]

Who said that? I haven’t seen anyone say that, at least not seriously. I mean shit, nearly all the 616 version of the MCU characters are way more powerful, I think Black Widow even has some kind of variation of the super soldier serum in the comics.

[@brianm.k.8008]

“I’m not saying this is the answer...” Sir, it’s the answer. Well done by the way

[@Link00007]

It was kinda painful to watch Black Widow being so different in this movie ,she almost feel like another person. During most of the MCU she was funny, charismatic, and seductive, but not anymore. That was a terrible way to say goodbye to an iconic character.

[@ItsJae_37]

i agree and i wonder why know one else mentions this.... the black widow in this movie felt like a COMPELETLY different character than every other mcu move its weird

[@certifiedyaminspector-dadd6224]

Taskmasters introduction was so forced. The box with the antidote was literally sitting in an empty trailer for idk how long but as soon as Natasha shows up now all of a sudden they come for it.

[@tonymaximilian3551]

The widows started using the antidote so then BW came to look for Yelena, hence Taskmaster.

[@YojimboJames]

Among the several marvel flaws this movie has, I also feel that the chemical antidote was introduced out of nowhere. No setup, no foreshadowing and it’s an integral component to the plot.

[@dad8153]

I dont know why nobodys talking about the bomb set by scarlett literally nobody died from it

[@Thedoctorjosh]

I think my biggest gripe was in the beginning when Natasha's car gets hit by a freaking RPG, flies across a bridge and sustains no structural damage and most of the windows are unbroken. You can get hit by a car going 30 mph with more damage. Not even counting the fact that she would have been super dead

[@RastaGamesful]

In theory, a rather interesting spy thriller could be made from a solo film about Black Widow, but in the end we got a typical Marvel movie. The only thing that I can single out from the advantages of the film is: the intro, the first 20 minutes and Elena Belova performed by Florence Pugh, she is beautiful and I look forward to her in future projects, a worthy replacement for Natasha. Anything about this moive afeter first 20 minutes goes wrong (villian, plot, etc.) And the film itself is bad, although it could be better.

[@kindbrute4640]

I almost wanna rewatch this thing coz that opening bit was rather good. I was hooked up until the the red cgi dust showed up

[@Story2ScreenMovieReviewPodcast]

Also, another movie that beat it to the draw was Red Sparrow. I dont know if you saw that movie but that was something that Black Widow should tried to have been, if it wasn't for Disney's leash.

[@michaelrichards5340]

I told my buddy the same thing you said here ...this movie just explains Black Widows downtime and felt more like a Yelena hype train. If we are doing a Black Widow origin story what are we doing 21 years so far in her career.. where is the red room? How did it start? Who did she train with? Why is she the way she is? All we got was Yelena owning the movie with killer lines and im like oh this must be here origin story she's the Black Widow we are addressing here

[@TheBoxingCannabyte]

Red Guardian deserved at least one decent fight scene. I hope they give him something. Id like to see him meet that other old super soldier and have them pull off something they shouldn't be able to at their age. If written well it could be great

[@manavbhalla2861]

Lol instead they made the super soldier get his ass beaten by a brain washed human chick..

[@brunosantosdealmeida2074]

The intro is the moment where he shines. Bad for him in this scene he is a cover agent, not a hero super soldier

[@lye27]

too bad they made him an idiot

[@Ki_Adi_Mundi]

The Geriatric Avengers

[@vinjass]

After all the bragging he did, Red Guardian was setup to fight Taskmaster using Captain America moves and then RG would be so pissed he would snap at this fake imposter.

[@commonsense5199]

MCU had robbed us. Now we’ll never see Taskmaster’s bromance with Ant-Man on screen.

[@charlespuruncajas9663]

Fits better with Deadpool

[@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom]

That happened in the comics?

[@lye27]

its better now, they can kiss and marry lol

[@siddharth_0771]

They can still introduce us Tony Masters

[@russiankodiak6849]

@@siddharth_0771 If they introduce him it’ll probably be in the far future for redemption, they would have to introduce him in maybe an X-Men, Spider-Man, or Thunderbolts film, other then that don’t see him appearing in movies like Doctor Strange, Captain Marvel 2, or a Thor movie.

[@RealRitesh]

The build up thing you explained so simply to me who doesn't know anything about movie making still understands how the movie could have been 100× better just by simple screenplay change is just awesome

[@sax7760]

This one really should be write as a series on Disney+ instead.

[@trevor3013]

Would still have sucked

[@jeremybrown9611]

Yes

[@paulcurran302]

I feel like the only reason it got as positive of a response as it did was because people were Marvel-starved after the pandemic and the 2 year stretch where there were no Marvel movies released. I think it would have been the lowest reviewed Marvel movie of all time if it had come out in 2016, when it's set. Don't get me wrong, it's not a bad movie by any means, it's just so sub-par for a Marvel movie and doesn't really feel like a spy movie.

[@maxdrags3115]

Who said it was a spy movie? I'll wait you dumb kid... And let me guess, it had no giant magical and destructive fights, and that's what makes it sub-par? Yea, be quiet.

[@bloodymares]

So you're implying that Black Widow was worse than Dark World and Captain Marvel?

[@shadowraven137]

@@maxdrags3115 yah, black widow, ex international spy/assassin. With a title of 'black widow' you expect some sort of spy stuff, akin to a hyper action bond film. Yet there is none of that (she is an internationally recognised person, yet she doesnt change her hair at all and doesnt get recognised... WTF).

[@jasonginessestemmet9661]

It is a bad movie

[@alexc1926]

So you were expecting something marvel didn't want to do. Marvel never meant this as a spy movie.

[@johnlumandas5786]

They wasted TaskMaster, could've been a great returning villain since he's a mercenary for hire. But noooo, turn TaskMaster into a woman controlled by his father that will be a good thing.

[@khfan4life365]

Exactly. Taskmaster could have been a merc hired by Ross to take out the rogue Avengers, which Nat was at this point.

[@PermanentHigh]

Could've easily made him a mutant

[@mrdaddymeosky6292]

Totally, they should've made her at least have natural born photographic memory forgot the actual name of it. So that way they could've gotten her back to do what she did. Kick ass and continue to do.

[@benlewis5312]

​@@mrdaddymeosky6292 It's called muscle mimicry. The ability to learn any physical task instantly by watching someone do it once. It's a badass power and was completely wasted in this film

[@Alexis-co8kk]

@@khfan4life365 hey that's actually a really good idea, I wish it happened like that

[@rlpsychology]

Filmento never fails to be the most in-depth, insightful, and crystal clear analyst of a movie's story. Thank you.

[@mitch.z1957]

I agree with his assessment of this movie. The movie had the potential to be great and they made it poorly. They had the tools such as good acting, special effects and proven main character available to them, all they had to do is create a good storyline and they failed miserably. I don’t know how you could set them up for success any better and yet in my view they still managed to fail.

[@maxdrags3115]

Nope, that's a lie, this movie was great.

[@kiwizonee5585]

@@maxdrags3115 this movie sucks

[@iamgroot2810]

@@maxdrags3115 There were more things about the movie that I dislked as compared to the things I liked.

[@maxdrags3115]

@@kiwizonee5585 No it absolutely did not.

[@maxdrags3115]

@@iamgroot2810 Don't care, not the movies problem.

[@dallasazbill6205]

I’m so glad I’m not the only one that didn’t like the movie. I was super pumped to see it. I have a strong love for marvel movies, its shaped my childhood. Despite all that, I felt underwhelmed by this new entry to the MCU.

[@gochi6542]

It looked pretty damn solid from the trailers but needed being a shit show. Should’ve known

[@brunofernandes3298]

The first movie should be about the Budapest arc, that story about Hawkeye not killing her and Natasha joining Shield. And this one that's now on theathers should be Black Widow 2

[@tutorialslave]

Absolutely. Also, there should've been a Black Widow 3, set between IW and Endgame, focussing on Nat & Steve leading The New Avengers, running concurrently with the Ronin storyline and setting up Thunderbolts.

[@ToRo909r]

No please do not make another black widow movie.

[@Pottasium92]

It should be only one movie tbh, Budapest arc with Natasha taking the hard decision of leaving the Red Room then end with an after credit scene with Yelena looking at the tomb of Natasha with the other woman saying that Clint is the responsible of her dead after that continue the plot in the Hawkeye series and introduce Red Guardian in other movie with better plot and not just as a comedy relief.

[@tutorialslave]

@@ToRo909r Your reading comprehension must be severely lacking.

[@Ten-kc2yp]

I WISHED they would've used elements of the red room that they established in Agent Carter, it's grounded, they used innocent things like disney movies, dormitories, the school-like setting, etc or even that red room scene in Age of Ultron. THAT is the red room that interests me, I was so excited to see the red room in Black Widow but was disappointed when it wasn't the dark psychological aspect of things, instead we got a CGI monstrosity of an aircraft and pheromone locks and shit... The movie was okay but I was expecting more since Natasha's story through out the other movies is so interesting. I was disappointed but still cried at the sight of her.

[@229masterchief]

Protagonist: Literally a KGB super spy Plot: Generic MCU low effort action movie

[@Carabas72]

The KGB was disbanded when Natasha was 2 years old.

[@3Guys1Video]

Why are they so afraid of taking risks…

[@Carabas72]

@@3Guys1Video Define "taking risks"?

[@AndresGonzalez-wc3ek]

@@3Guys1Video they don't want to "scare" the little children that this movie is targeting with a gritty story, they don't want to "confuse" the average viewer with a complex plot

[@KateeAngel]

Generic recycled cold war propaganda, you mean.

[@jeremyjohnson7537]

I would actually suggest making a video on the harry potter franchise, Its actually extremely interesting,because none of the harry potter movies would make my list of top 5 movies ever, and yet, its my favourite franchise.. It utilizes all the tools you talk about •Building a plot •Internal conflict •Reversals •World buildup •Action sequences pushing the plot or building character •Properly dealing with expositions •And raising the stakes with every movie HP is definitely worth mentioning on your channel,I was shocked since none of your videos covered it Should make a video titled "How to franchise" xD

[@fakerererererer]

Idk about that because the books are just better than the movie. And it’s not the movies fault because it’s hard for a book to be translated into a movie. Some movies just completely change what happens in the movies than what happens in the books. Like goblet of fire was verrrry different than what it was in the book. There’s completely different directors with different visions for each movie too which can also be its own complication

[@MrlspPrt]

I never thought I would find a "potterhead" being honest with his favorite franchise... To be fair, Harry Potter lore was built to be around the main characters, an understandable thing if we take in mins that Rowling started the story as something she told her kids and probably she was expecting they to be related.

[@stayfro3ty]

I agree

[@Yethegoat10]

Always felt Harry Potter could’ve had such cool side stories and extended universe type stuff. Pretty deep lore that’s barely scratched in movies

[@ghostratsarah]

Harry Potter is such a controversial topic at the moment, it would be throwing a bee nest up in the air to let it bonk you on the head. He's best staying away for at least another year or two.

[@janakinetrakanti1644]

Maybe that's why marvel wanted to release this movie after endgame, so that people will still be riding the ENDGAME HYPE TRAIN and naturally people would like this movie since nat died

[@magic75450]

The movies after Endgame (excluding Far From Home, which is sort of a prologue to Endgame in a way) are a solo movie for a dead character and 2 movies about new characters. That may have been a smart move back then, but the pandemic means they can't really use the Endgame momentum for these new characters. Yes, people won't call them "flops" during a pandemic, but you still want the general audience to grow with the new characters and like them.

[@michaelrichards5340]

Makes sense but covid seemed to ruin that plan

[@alisterfolson]

I love Filmento's editing techniques, always inventive and funny af

[@lukesanders8912]

Yelena is actually amazing. She definitely stole the show

[@JmAnYoShI]

Seconded

[@Jose-se9pu]

Only person on set who seemed to actually care...probably because she was the only one involved who actually has a future in the MCU.

[@JacobGrim]

She was ok... She looked amazing in front of the rest of the movie though lol

[@Pilgrym52]

5 minutes of Yalena jokes surrounded by meh. = Black Widow

[@j.d.j9574]

Agreed

[@ardent835]

The starting and middle parts were alright, the problem were the villains and their motivations, not many exciting hand to hand fights, the inconsistent tone and the bad cgi for some scenes like the Tank chase, the avalanche and the enemy jets.

[@heatseekerx51]

All you downvoters: Guys, good writing is a craft. This movie is an example of poor-to-middling writing. IT could have been so much better.

[@lpk6372]

How so?

[@iforgot87872]

They made us immediately care about her “family.” That’s also writing. A whole lot of movies fail to get the audience invested in the characters properly. Personally, I thought it failed at action more. We had all those hired guards at the end protecting maybe the most evil man in the world, and we didn’t get a cool fight scene with Black Widow. Super disappointing.

[@TheOminousFlareShow]

Sometimes you just want to enjoy a casual and fun spy movie. Not everyone's as uptight as you guys and Filmento. It's like walking into Goldeneye or one of those cheesy Roger Moore Bond film expecting high-art Michael Mann Heat-level masterclass. Get off your high horse. Oh, and you get a downvote. :)

[@heatseekerx51]

@@TheOminousFlareShow ;)

[@GauravYadav-bf7qj]

@@iforgot87872 Marvel's formula of making audience care about the characters- jokes

[@goodygowild]

I was pretty upset with the taskmaster twist. I Thought having the daughter end up as taskmaster felt cheap like a cheap "WOAH" kind of twist. I think it would have worked better if Drekov didn't survive the explosion, but his daughter did. As she grows she learns about his work and sees him as a sort of martyr. So by the time she's older she has effectively taken over the project and is hammering down even harder for no widows to escape because the one that did killed her father and severely disabled her. Since she's so disabled too, this could be where TaskMaster comes in as his own character. and isn't just a weak twist that came out of nowhere for no real reason.

[@erebusvonmori8050]

I think the TaskMaster twist would have been salvagable if they'd also made it in the final fight that the reveal was she was only person going along willingly with her father and the cure did nothing to her.

[@nikivanov1833]

So, basically Black Widow: Who are you? Taskmaster: You have left me to die 20 years ago in an explosion. Black Widow: Do you have the slightest idea how little this narrows it down?

[@venturatheace1]

Lmao nice reference

[@muznick]

Looks like a GI Joe sequel that is unfortunately lacking the Baroness.

[@wesleypippin3700]

I think you mean its lacking Dwayne the rock johnson 😆

[@Xtermenator217]

It would’ve been better if task master wasn’t controlled and when she used magic-no-control-dust it did nothing and Natasha actually had to face her demons…a little girl she burned and tormented her whole life that hates her and seeks revenge. But nope, it’s ok that she was fine with murdering her

[@minibroncogermany]

Danke!

[@Filmento]

Thanks for watching Patrick!

[@applepie1272]

The Whole Movie: What is that and why should we care?? The lesson: Show it don't tell it

[@jonkong4151]

Fax

[@captainjakemerica4579]

The movie did a lot of showing the opening credits for one and various other dialogue less scenes

[@ГригорийГ-ч4н]

If i would need to describe this movie with two words and describe politley, this words would be: "Wasted potential".